Hezel and Nitta are no longer Special Chapter exclusives. Really great callback to page 1597 and page 1598, when the U9 Z-Fighters left for the DBM tournament and Videl left them the keys to her bike. Krillin's students actually wrecked Videl's bike, haha. Brilliant.




7 shadows appearing out of nowhere. Wait a minute.
Videl, Tien, Yamcha, Krillin, Elder Kaioshin, that's 5 ... Bulma and Trunks, that would make 7.

So they are canon in the DBM comic after all. Makes sense, there's already been a handful of scenes with them besides the infamous chapter 19 cover, but I wish DBM wouldn't flip-flop so much screentime when it comes to Bulma and Trunks of all people. They are canon, show up sporadically, but do nothing. It's so weird and not in a funny way. Because plainly it means that Bulma and Trunks have actually always been present, but for some reason do nothing. Would almost have been better if they had never been there. I know there was a mini-comic that plays it up in a funny way. Nonetheless, it's very disappointing that the only Bulma present in the DBM tournament does nothing (no interaction with anyone, no side-plot to emphasize that Bulma is indeed constantly maintaining Cyborg Yamcha, making her a key component why Yamcha is SSJ1+ Powerlevel Tier, etc). So blatant that she either misses everything because she's in the bathroom, or literally watches everything from the sidelines without comment. That was an incredibly sad and wasted potential of her character. This is why I always wished U9 Trunks and Bulma were DBM Novel Exclusives. 2 Replie(s)

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Ich glaube nicht, dass Chichi und Vegeta im Manga auch nur ein einziges Wort miteinander gewechselt haben. Im Anime gibt es, glaube ich, eine (Filler) Szene in der Cell-Arc. Dort fragen die Z-Kämpfer Chichi, ob sie Gohan erlauben würde, zu trainieren und später an den Cell-Spielen teilzunehmen. Vegeta erwähnt etwas über Saiyajins und ihren Drang zu kämpfen, und dass sogar Gohan dies spürt, usw.
Allerdings müsste ich diese Szene nochmals suchen.

There is a good point that some people make. Has South Kaioshin ever shown that he can read minds? Probably, but have we ever seen it? There could well be a possibility that mind reading is not one of South's strengths and that is why he has never worked on improving this skill?

I also have to raise a question, how often do we actually see Kaioshin's mind reading in DBZ? Serious question, because I'm not sure about this at all.


I really like how Raditz's diplomatic skills are brought out again.


No, that's wrong. South did not read the soldier's thoughts on page 524. It was obvious that someone sneaking around wanted to find the dragonballs.


Raditz does not lie. He is firmly convinced that he has lost more than he has gained in this situation.


To be honest, that's an interesting question. While DBS regards Mystic as a transformation, DBM does not. It's a state in your base form, so to speak. Gohan never activated the SSJ again in DBZ, after the ritual. This suggests that Gohan literally can't do it anymore or is fully aware that it's unnecessary and a waste of energy because he's already stronger than SSJ1 in Mystic, which is his new base form.

This would also apply to Raditz. The Oozaru form would no longer give him an advantage because he has already reached his full potential in Mystic. The transformation would add nothing. 3 Replie(s)

Mir gefällt wirklich, wie Raditz hier mit Worten versucht, sich aus der Schlinge zu ziehen. Es bestätigt, was Vegeta früher im Turnier gesagt hat, dass Raditz der Diplomat ihrer Gruppe ist. Ich vermute, der Grund, warum Raditz bleiben wollte, ist, einen Weg zu finden, die Blockade aufzuheben. Andernfalls gäbe es kein Problem, nach U13 zurückzukehren. Dort könnte er dann Vegeta und Nappa eliminieren. Es sei denn, Raditz ist fest davon überzeugt, dass der alte Kaioshin ihn tatsächlich schwächer gemacht hat. Schauen wir mal.


Ich möchte dir die Vorfreude nicht verderben, aber es gibt keine Anzeichen dafür, dass es in absehbarer Zeit ein U9-Special geben wird. In den offiziellen Neuigkeiten von DBM ist von einem Namek-, Uub- und Bojack-Special die Rede. 2 Replie(s)

Und schon haben die beiden hier mehr Dialog miteinander, als in DBZ, lol. 1 Replie(s)

Leider ist Panel 4 wirklich nicht gut. Da kann die farbige Version auch nichts mehr daran verbessern.
Die Szene in Farbe zu sehen, also darauf habe ich lange gewartet. Gohan ist echt heftig hier, wie er Kakarot gegen die Wand drückt.

Perhaps Thibault Deboom is following the lore from DBM, where frostdemons get stronger with each new generation. Ergo, Chilled is not yet as strong in 1st form as Freeza is in 1st form.

Die Seite sieht beeindruckend aus.

Der ganze Schnickschnack, den Gohan hier von sich gibt, wirkte auf mich immer ein bisschen gezwungen. Aber es passt eigentlich zu ihm. Und ich finde es toll, dass er das alles mit den U13-Saiyans nur macht, um seine Tochter vor Kakarots Launen zu schützen.

Der Übergang zwischen Rückblende/Erinnerung und Gegenwart ist ziemlich gut getroffen. Es ist auf dieser Seite nur ein Panel diesmal.

Schon damals fand ich diese Seite sehr stark. Sie zeigt, wie Gohan mit seinen Kindheitstraumata konfrontiert wird. Sowas wird in anderen Fanprojekten oder in Canon DB selten angesprochen.

Bei der Therapie, immer gut für ein paar Gags.

Irgendwie muss ich an Mr. Burns aus Simpsons denken, bei diesem Anti-Eindringling Knopf, haha.

Ich vermute es handelt sich um eine "The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time" Referenz.

I can say from experience that there are people who comment here purely out of hatred and bitterness, who just want to stir up trouble. (Enough of these people have admitted it in the end.) So, forgive me if I just don't believe it that a fan would be so invested in the comic, yet only leave comments that question everything in the worst way and literally can't say a single nice word about DBM. The sunk cost fallacy unfortunately forces them to keep coming back.


Speak for yourself. Don't use other people's opinions to add weight to your argument. Most people who visit this website don't comment. So you don't know what the majority of people think about it. Do not try to second-guess what the other readers have in mind.


This is the assumption that page 2482 has left us with. There must be a reason why, out of nowhere, the final exchange between Yamcha and I'K'L was shown in this chapter. South may not have been quite himself since that time.


It is very possible that there are many more remote controls. But in this particular case, I think DBM wanted to make sure that South didn't use the same remote from the Dark Varga. On page 2485, Uuv was given one, and today's page ensures that he will continue to have it for later events. South, most probably, fetched another remote.


That's sadly just the way it is. Even in this chapter, some people were absolutely sure that Raditz and Elder Kaioshin were dead because of what XXI showed the U13 Saiyans. The theory that both might still be alive was sometimes dismissed. The prospect of what may come later is often not even considered (e.g. Bujin says that XXI left the tournament. People argue XXI is gone, until he showed up. Goku apparently one-punched Vegeta into the ground in their tournament match. People argue the fight is definitely over, until later they continue to fight. etc). It's a shame really, considering there are so many what-if YouTube videos and headcanons about Dragonball that make you think outside the box.


I admit, these are valid points.

1) I assumed that Yamcha mentioned everything on page 2380, so I personally believed that South was intentionally twisting Yamcha's words here in this case and making everything out to be different than it actually was.

2) Maybe South was completely sure that neither Raditz, nor Elder Kaioshin will recover from his beating. He said he'd bring the Vargas, but he didn't. Maybe he only changed his mind on the way to Control Tower.

3) Maybe he actually wanted to bring them back in a ship, brought the remote only as a safety line, and when he realized that in U10 apartment Raditz and Elder Kaioshin are nowhere to be found, he quickly figured out that they are in U9 apartment instead.

As mentioned. You raise valid points that are hard to explain. Definitely weak points in the plot and the puzzle pieces you have to put together to explain it seem absurd. 2 Replie(s)

Now put this into South Kaioshin's head.

I'm not surprised. A certain someone just recently created an account only to complain about everything in chapter 105 in each comment.

Goku knows that he can knock out simple Red Ribbon soldiers with a single punch. He could avoid the helicopter or just break a part of the machine. He has actively decided to take the pilot's life. Goku could have told Tambourine that he will pay for what he did to Krillin. However, Goku added of his own free will that he wants to slaughter him. Which in itself indicates that he not only wants to kill him as quickly as possible, but also cruelly.

Huh, ironically Goku never tried to kill any Android. You know, somebody working for an evil world conquering army that was actively attempting to kill him. And who were far stronger and more dangerous than a simple Red Ribbon pilot. who deserved to be stopped by any means possible, considering what Gero did in the Future Timeline. Or Piccolo Jr. who is a demonspawn or rather the reincarnation of Piccolo himself. But this mischievous figure only got nasty looks from Goku until it came to the tournament fight and Goku fiercely insisted that the demonspawn be treated with respect in the tournament fight itself. Yeah, so Goku doesn't really seem to care about the demonspawn thing it seems.

My point was that there were enough examples in the series where people with actual pure hearts or generally considered good people behaved quite cold-bloodedly and murderously. We don't know what the ominous scene on page 2482 is all about. But it was certainly not placed there for no reason. There's something fishy about South that he would commit such violence on someone else with no apparent ulterior motive. But that doesn't mean he's 'evil' per se. Just like Goku isn't evil for taking the lives of others at certain moments in his life when he could have easily avoided it, or for wishing a horrible death on his friend's killer. 1 Replie(s)

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Videl! No!

Okay, that's the final straw. From now on, it's inevitable. All the universes that have already left U0 will undoubtedly reappear in some way in the final arc. For some universes, it made sense to remove them from the story and send them back to their own universe. For some others, however, it just doesn't fit. And U9 is definitely one of those cases. We will definitely see U9 again. Just like U4 ZenBuu and others.



Page 2458 now makes a lot more sense in retrospect. The Varga can't find Yamcha because he was sent home by South via remote control.
That is indeed an interesting point. I can understand why a simple Varga who is in the arena wouldn't know the details. However, it would make sense if he briefly asks in the main tower where Yamcha is and they give him information.

That begs the question. Is it automatically displayed in the computers when an entire universe has been sent away? If that's not the case, it would mean only those who were present when it happened know about it. In this case, only South and Raditz. But that would be a glaring design flaw in the machine if it didn't indicate whether an entire universe was sent away or not.

Here's how I explain it.
The two Varga in the arena wondering where Yamcha is. They haven't checked with the main headquarters in the tower at that moment. Otherwise they would be told that U9 has already been sent away.


You could say that South has been so heavily manipulated by someone that he no longer listens to logic. ;)


No, on-screen on page 2482.




This makes a lot more sense than XXI manipulating South.


I think South is under a spell. Comparable to the Majin enslavement spell. Majin doesn't make a person evil per se, it reinforces the malevolent tendencies and suppresses all the good thoughts. South, despite being a stickler for rules per se, seems to be super obsessively doing the right thing here, like his tendencies are being amplified in the worst way at one point. He's willing to use violence, not consult anyone else, and take matters into his own hands, etc.
I'm sure we'll get an answer as to how exactly it led to this.


I advise you not to do that. Sunk-cost fallacy is a bad thing and does not bode well for you in the long run.


This is a mature decision, which I support. Because there is nothing worse than falling for the sunk-cost fallacy.


Funny you should mention it. It was made clear that only people with pure hearts can use the cloud, otherwise they would fall through, as was the case with Roshi and Bulma. Later, Goku kills a Red Ribbon helicopter pilot in cold blood using the cloud. And when he confronts Tambourine, Goku wants to murder him in cold blood, he says so directly.



And yet Goku has not fallen from the cloud. What does it mean? People with pure hearts can act evil depending on the situation and still be considered a pure-hearted person per se. If we apply that to South, it would fit. South is considered a good person who only acts evil depending on the situation. Or rather, is manipulated by something.


Yes, the problem is that many people simply don't accept DBM's concept of a webcomic. People criticize the publication of a page as being the same as the publication of a whole chapter. We know there's more to come, but still too often people act as if the latest published page is the last page of the chapter. 3 Replie(s)

On page 1527 it is made clear that Videl's potential was not released via ritual. And since at that moment Elder Kaioshin was in the process of releasing Raditz's potential, we can clearly assume that no one else in U9 is Mystic yet.

Ich habe schon seit langem spekuliert, dass U9 Majin Buu's Wiedererweckung verhindert haben und letzten Endes nur gegen Dabura, Yakon, Pui Pui und Fußsoldaten wie Majin Spopovich gekämpft haben. In der alten Auffassung der Mafuba, können bloß Dämonen mit der Technick eingesperrt werden. Meine Vermutung, U9 hat es geschafft Dabura mithilfe der Mafuba zu verseiegeln und haben Yakon und Pui Pui traditionell besiegt.

Videl! Nein!

Okay, das ist der Schlussstrich. Von nun an ist es unvermeidlich. Alle Universen, die U0 bereits verlassen haben, werden zweifellos in irgendeiner Weise im finalen Arc wieder auftauchen. Bei einigen Universen lag es nahe, sie aus der Geschichte zu entfernen und sie in ihr eigenes Universum zurückzuschicken. Für einige andere passt es jedoch einfach nicht. Und U9 ist definitiv einer dieser Fälle. Wir werden U9 ganz sicher wiedersehen. Genau wie U4 ZenBuu und andere.




Der Verdacht, dass es I'K'L ist, der South manipuliert hat, ergibt viel mehr Sinn als XXI, um ehrlich zu sein.

Warum sollte man bis kurz vor I'K'Ls Tod zurückblättern (Page 2482), wenn die geheimnisvollen Gedanken in South nicht von I'K'L stammen?
XXI begann erst nach seinem Kampf gegen Gast zu handeln, indem er die anderen Teilnehmer auf seine Seite zog und andere sabotierte. Es wäre zu früh für XXI, buchstäblich Minuten vor seinem Kampf gegen Gast zu handeln und South davon zu überzeugen, sich unfreiwillig auf seine Seite zu stellen. Vor allem, wenn XXI selbst auf Page 2450 zugibt, dass man nur ein paar einfache Worte braucht, um South dazu zu bringen, das zu tun, was man will, keine Magie oder ähnliches.

Es ist nun entweder I'K'L oder XXI, die South manipuliert haben. Mal sehen was am Ende rauskommt.

WaZaKun hat hier vielleicht eine Anspielung auf das bekannte DBM Meme gemacht. Eine Videl Variation von Bojack's R*pe-Face. xD

Wir wissen nicht genau, wer das Loch gmacht hat. Allerdings war es höchstwahrscheinlich einer von U9, damit eine Verbindung zwischen den Apartments von U10 und U9 hergestellt werden kann.

Auf Page 1888 wechselt der alte Kaioshin den Ort für den zweiten Teil des Rituals. Damals wussten wir nicht, wohin sie gegangen sind, bis zur Page 2357. Der Grund ist vermutlich, damit niemand heraufinden kann, wo sich Raditz und der Kaioshin befinden, außer die anderen Mitglieder aus U9, und damit sie alle in der Nähe sind.

Yup. Das unterscheibe ich sofort. Yay für Videl. Sie ist die Beste. :)


Ich glaube du hast womöglich etwas falsch verstanden.

Gohan (auch schon in DBZ am Ende der Buu-Arc) ist mit Mystic nicht nur stärker als SSJ3 Goku, sondern um einiges stärker. So sehr, dass er eine eigene Powerlevel-Tier hat. (Vergleichbar der Unterschied zwischen SSJ1 -> SSJ2. Oder SSJ2 -> SSJ3. So ist SSJ3 Goku -> Mystic Gohan)

Warum Mystic Raditz stärker als U13 Vegeta SSJ3 sein sollte? Damit Vegeta (U13) endgültig besiegt wird. Das ist der Grund, warum Raditz das Potential mithilfe des Rituals überhaupt freigestzt wurde. Um Vegeta zu besiegen, muss Raditz zumindest genau so stark sein wie er. Was für einen Sinn würde es ergeben, Raditz stundenlang, zusammengefasst 2 ganze Tage, das Potential freizusetzen und im Prinzip die zweite Hälfte des DBM Turnieres zu verpassen, nur damit Raditz von Vegeta später mit einer einzige Attacke im SSJ3 getötet wird?

Kaioshin: "Ich werde dein Potential freisetzen. Das wird etwas dauern. Im Gegenzug wirst du Vegeta töten."
2 Tage später
Kaioshin: "Dein Potential wurde freigesetzt. Nun, halte dein Teil der Abmachung und befreie U13 von Vegeta."
Vegeta one-shotet Raditz.
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Damit das Ritual bei Raditz überhaupt irgendwelchen Sinn ergibt, muss Raditz zumindest eine reale Chance haben Vegeta zu besiegen. Vegeta (U13) ist (low-)SSJ3 Powerlevel-Tier. Ergo, Raditz muss zumindest SSJ3 Powerlevel-Tier sein mit seiner Mystic Form.


Son Gohan ist allerdings immer etwas besonderes gewesen. Schon in DBZ wurde gesagt, wie Gohan als Saiyajin-Mensch Hybrid großes Potential hat. Sehr viel mehr als Goten oder Trunks. Deshalb vermutet man stark, wenn Elder Kaioshin allen Saiyajins das Potential via Ritual freisetzen würde, eigentlich fast jeder ein Low-SSJ3 Powerlevel Tier Kraft hätte. Rein hypothetisch gesprochen, wäre Mystic Bardock SSJ3 Stark, Mystic Hanasia wäre SSJ3 stark, Mystic Vegeta Senior wäre SSJ3 stark. Mystic Nappa wäre SSJ3 stark. Lediglich Gohan ist die Ausnahme und um einiges stärker.

OMG. Look at this wonderful rape face. Someone learned from Bojack. lol.

The blockade works exactly according to Elder Kaioshin's plan. Now just about any good person can just whack Raditz if they have to. Even Sei. lol. And in U13 there will be at most a sole suppressor with Kakarot. Better than 2 with Raditz or like originally 4.

Edit:



Take another look at the previous page. Next to Tien, there's a tiny little panel. This indicates that a little time has just passed. Enough time for U9 members to bandage Raditz and Elder Kaioshin and them explain what's going on. And enough time for South to seek out the remote control to send people back to their universe. He probably wanted to send Raditz and Elder Kaioshin away personally. In the sense, a few last words before he presses the button. Or a Varga is walking into the room right after South on the next page. Holding the remote. Something like this.


Edit2:
The fact that Videl, of all people, has the urge to teach Raditz a lesson may be due to page 1122, where Raditz fooled the others for a short time, making them believe that he might not do anything bad as soon as he returns with the Mystic Power in U13. Here again, after Elder Kaioshin's speech, Raditz simply replies that he will instruct someone else to do evil. Videl must have been fed up with him making a fool of her (and U9) for the second time.


Edit3:
I just couldn't resist, lol.

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Some really seem to drift into the realm of hypotheticals. A lot of people have already given a lot of examples where it's about the morality of a person. Who decides who is good and bad? DBM is a fan manga, yet still Dragonball. Elder Kaioshin was obviously trying to create a typical Dragonball black and white situation here. Someone who is inherently evil, or people with pure hearts. Salagir in this case wasn't trying to have people read between the lines and discover any subtext that wasn't placed.

South is a being with a pure heart. And in the present moment, merely for some unfathomable reason, he is behaving strangely evil. But he's not evil per se.

Think back to Dragonball, please.

Roshi explains to Goku that Kinto'un only carries people who are pure of heart. In other words, good people. Later, Goku coldly kills a Red Ribbon helicopter pilot using the flying cloud. Or when Goku meets Tambourine, he says in anger that he wants to kill him.
And Goku didn't fall from the cloud. Why? Because Goku is generally pure of heart, even when he's put in situations where he murders someone in cold blood or says he wants to murder someone in cold blood. The principle of good and evil in Dragonball is not situational, and Dragonball fans should know that.



A situation alone does not make a person fundamentally different. That's always been the case in Dragonball. The same applies to South. And for the Blockade feature. Raditz won't be able to fight people pure of heart in the future, although they may have a moment of weakness and give free rein to their rage and lust for murder. We had that with Goku, with Gohan and also so many examples in DB.


The question is whether Raditz, with an incredibly large handicap, is justified. Because it's true. That was the reason Elder Kaioshin did it in the first place. You have to remember back to page 1122, please. Raditz thought he could play off Elder Kaioshin by offering the lesser of two evils by getting the Mystic Powerup from U13 alone and eliminating Vegeta and Nappa. But what Raditz didn't realize is that Elder Kaioshin just turned the tables. Because now Elder Kaioshin has reduced the evil once again and forced Raditz involuntarily onto the path of good.

Variant #1: U13 as it was before. 4 suppressors.
Variant #2: Mystic Raditz kills Vegeta and Nappa. 2 suppressors (Raditz & Kakarot)
Variant #3: Mystic Raditz with blockade. Without Nappa and Vegeta. 1 suppressor with Kakarot.

From Elder Kaioshin's point of view, variant #3 clearly seems to be the best chance to protect the innocents in U13 as well as possible. Sure, Kakarot can still do a lot of damage, but in the end it's better than having 2 Suppressors. Elder Kaioshin's plan worked.

No provocations and no subliminal insults. Lets remain civil.

Wie ironisch wäre es, wenn Nappa sich so überanstrengen würde, dass er selbst vor Erschöpfung tot umfällt, verursacht vor allem durch einen abgetrennten Arm.

How long did Tien last again in DBZ with a severed arm in the fight against Nappa? Maybe this Nappa's situation is meant to mimic that in a way.


I have to think of the Android Arc from DBZ. They spent 3 years preparing for the arrival of the Androids and for the most part couldn't make an impact. Then they spend an extra year in HTC, and suddenly they can all one-shot #18.

Somehow they managed to do a lot more in one year than they did in the 3 years before. Maybe the type of training is important. Perhaps it is also relevant whether the threat is close at hand versus a hypothetical threat that is a long way off. 4 Replie(s)

This must be a real master plan by Future Trunks, though. Maybe Trunks thinks for a moment that he's Baby from GT, who takes over the bodies of his opponents when they're at their most powerful.

Jokes aside, I really don't understand Trunks' plan and hope for something solid. It doesn't have to be anything special. As long as it's not just the typical Z-Fighter/Saiyan way of intentionally letting the opponent power up so you have a more interesting fight.

Warum ausgerechnet Future Trunks überhaupt erlaubt, dass es soweit kommt und Black sich transformieren kann/darf, bleibt mir ein Rätsel.

Oh no, it's a simple space blaster. That means anyone could be taken out easily. Chilled has practically lost and will be lucky if he survives. xD

Ich mag es, wenn es in Geschichten nicht immer nach Plan läuft. Dieses Anpassen an die gegebene Situation gibt den Hauptfiguren die Möglichkeit ihre Stärken oder vielleciht auch ihre Schwächen zum Vorschein zu bringen. Sowas führt meistens zu guten und möglicherweise auch emotionalen Charaktermomenten.

Ich mag den Grauton im generellen Hintergrund in der Szene mit Buu und Freezer. Als würde man darauf hindeuten, dass es keine natürliche Lichtquelle in dieser Situation vorhanden sei. 1 Replie(s)

Die Attacke ist also ein Familien-Ding. Irgendwie macht es jedes Fan-Manga, welches die Vergangeheit der Saiyajins aufzeigt.

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In DBS verstehe ich nie, welche der neuen Transformationen angewendet wird. In scwarz/weiß kann man nicht viel erkenne, wenn es tatsächlich größtenteils nur Unterschiede in Farbe sind.

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Elder Kaioshin has kept his promise that Raditz can eliminate Vegeta. At the same time, Raditz is in an awkward position because he can no longer theoretically defend himself against 'good' people should it happen.

Elder Kaioshin has screwed Raditz big time.
I wonder why Raditz didn't see this coming after they were already talking to him as a U13 group on page 940.

Of course Elder Kaioshin would put in such a blockade. Raditz may have agreed to all the demands at the beginning of the ritual, however there's nothing to stop the Saiyan from changing his mind from one moment to the next after completion, and just killing everyone in the U9 apartment with his Msytic Power. If Elder Kaioshin hadn't implemented such a precautionary measure, that would be the stupid thing to do.


That sounds like a really good plot that should be written into DBM somehow. Maybe that will happen later on.


I just wanted to link the actual page. In DBM, it's mentioned on page 560 that Dai Kaioshin destroyed his brain at the last moment before absorption.


Are you sure? South struck me as a little more disturbing and angry than his usual demeanor when someone undermines his authority.


Videl is just so skilled, she can do it with ease. ;)


That is the point. Raditz can now either be super strong and beat most of the baddies in U0 (except Cell) on his own, but at the same time get beaten up by Sei. That's the joke of it all. Pretty good actually, though it doesn't seem to go down well with everyone here in the English comments section.

Will Raditz get his hype moment later? Most likely. Someone else besides against Vegeta? Quite possibly. Will that happen on the next page now? Probably not. Don't worry about it. Just be patient. It will come. Many people are jumping to conclusions too quickly, as if Raditz is now useless.


One theory as to why Raditz continues to be so weak at the start of the DBM tournament that he only gets above Ginyu's power level after decades could be due to his 'Daddy Issues'. Which was raised for the first time in the tournament fight against his father from U3. Raditz is so fixated on his father, and that he is to blame for him suffering from incredible inferiority complexes. U3 Bardock berates his son about what a loser he is, and U13 Raditz responds. Although he should know that they should be completely different people. He has allowed himself to be emotionally humiliated by his father from U3.

Raditz may be stuck in an emotional vicious circle that mentally prevents him from breaking the barrier to becoming a Super Saiyan. There were more detailed arguments about this in old comment section pages. Nonetheless, worth considering, minus the group dynamics and the brother relationship.


That's a good point. ;) 1 Replie(s)

Well, West Kaioshin showed remorse. She literally cried when she made the decisive attack. If she had laughed like a pschopath while killing Broly, I think it would be a different situation.


If you assume that Raditz will never get the chance to fight again.


Why do you think South is under the influence of XXI? 3 Replie(s)

Ach, Videl ist einfach süß.



Viele Fans vergleichen Kakarot's Unsterblichkeit aus DBM, mit Hidan's Unsterblichkeit aus Naruto. Das könnte man sich definitiv mal näher anschauen und Vergleiche ziehen.


Typisch DB Charaktere würde ich sagen. Wissen nie den Ernst der Lage richtig einzuschätzen.


Ich würde sagen wir können das in dieselbe Kategorie setzen wie Kinto'un, Shenlong/Porunga oder Babidi & sein Majin-Versklavungsspruch. Woher wissen die Entitäten in den jeweiligen Fällen wer gut und wer böse ist. Wer entscheidet dies am Ende? Ich würd sagen der alte Kaioshin passt da in die Gruppe rein. Am Ende wird immer eine Richtung stärker wiegen, und letztendlich klischeehaft entweder als gut oder böse einstufen. 2 Replie(s)

Please refrain from numerical power level discussions.


I'm a big fan of the blockade. These are ideas that would have fit perfectly in DB, and I can really imagine how Toriyama would have come up with and used it himself. We get lore and humor on the same page.

I can't wait to see how this idea with the blockade will be effectively incorporated into the story. It worked with the vision with Yamcha and the Androids vs I'K'L. I think it will also work with Limited-Mystic Raditz.

Hypothetically speaking, who could Raditz fight and use his Mystic Power against? XXI, U8, U13, U14 and U17. I wonder which pairing other than U13 Vegeta could be relevant in the future. Raditz vs Coldyu or Cell, that could be interesting, haha.


That's a good question. On page 2495 we can clearly see how Elder Kaioshin is still in the middle of the ritual. And since then, this has not been continued or addressed at all. I suspect it may be similar to DBZ/U18 with Gohan. The ritual has been finished for several minutes, but Elder Kaioshin was mentally talking to the other characters before he wanted to tell Raditz that he was already done.


We could use Majin's enslavement spell as a reference. Anyone who can be enslaved to Majin is evil enough to be attacked by Mystic Raditz. Whose heart is pure enough not to be enslaved, Mystic Raditz fails. We really shouldn't make a science out of this. Toriyama never really did this either.


However, XXI never said that Raditz and Elder Kaioshin were dead. Kakarot just assumed that when he saw XXI's picture on page 2490. Many people have commented that Kakarot was too quick to get over Raditz's death, right? What if on page 2492, Kakarot's comment regarding XXI was intended to show that the Saiyan saw XXI's memories, which show that he didn't kill Raditz at all, but merely sent South after him and Raditz is actually still alive. In that case, Kakarot's comment, “Your're one hell of an asshole.” would make even more sense. Because in that case, Kakarot would be admitting that he let XXI screw him in the beginning and that he appreciates his way of screwing others in a way. Like, Kakarot understands that Raditz isn't dead at all.

Videl puts a bandage on Raditz? I ship it xd

No, but seriously. What I was already thinking with the MR-Arc. U9 doesn't have Senzu Beans, otherwise they would have given one to Videl after the fight against Cell Jr #1 and now to the Elder Kaioshin. I wonder if they don't have or ever had Senzus in U9 anymore. Or maybe like U18, they just forgot about it (Page 69). 3 Replie(s)

@zero logic
I don't want to be a spoilsport, but your criticism specific to South Kaioshin would apply to a lot of characters from DBM.
U1 Dai Kaioshin, U3 Bardock, U4 Buu, U8 Ginyu, U9 Yamcha, U10 Vegeta, U13 Kakarot, U16 Vegetto, etc.
Deliberately with different experiences and lives than the ones we know from the original. Maybe DBM and the theme of familiar (but underrepresented) characters from DB/Z being reintroduced with a new spin isn't for you. Not every story and its premise has to appeal to everyone. 1 Replie(s)

Die Rückblenden sehen sehr hübsch aus. Man wird unweigerlich an bessere Kämpfe erinnert. Das war nicht die Absicht mit dieser Seite, dennoch empfinde ich so.

Uff. Manchmal sind die Namen für Attacken schon etwas bescheuert. Haha. Der Angriff selbst ist definitiv eine gute Idee.

Ich bezweifle stark, ob Vegeta wirklich Nappa das Leben retten würde. Wohl eher selbst den Glatzkopf töten, weil dieser versagt hat die Menschen schnell zu eliminieren.

Endlich mal wieder Dodonpa. Es wurde ja gesagt, diese Attacke ist der Kamehameha überlegen.

Die Koloristen tun ihr Bestes, das weiß ich zu schätzen. Die Korridore sehen leider unmotivierend aus. Das geht einher mit der allgemeinen, nichtssagenden Innenausstattung des U0 Stadions. Der Fokus liegt nicht auf die Hintergründe, vorallem zu Beginn von DBM. Dennoch schaltet man mental etwas ab, wenn man grau in grau sieht.

Den Schatten von Cooler wurde allerdings sehr gut getroffen. Das Herumschleichen fand ich immer sehr erfrischend im Bezug auf Frostdämonen Lore. Es würde Sinn ergeben, dass ausgerechnet sie wie Ninjas anschleichen könnten, im Vergleich zu einfachen Figuren wie Vargas oder schwachen Namekianern.

In schwarz/weiß, ist mir das nie so richtig aufgefallen, allerdings in Farbe merkt man schon ein wenig die Schwächen in der Qualität der Zeichnungen. Kein Hass an Gogeta Jr, nur eine Meinung.

Und die Innenausstattung der Stadionapartments für die Teilnehmer fand ich immer einer der Schwächen in DBM. Allein der Hocker, auf dem Freezer sitzt. Das sieht ein bisschen komisch aus. Aber auch merkwürdig. 1 Replie(s)

Ha, Piccolo und schlafen. Hat er jemals aktiv geschlafen?
Ich nehme an, die Anwesenheit eines beinahe identischen Zwilling, bringt Piccolo ein bisschen aus der Fassung und misstrauisch. Beinahe identisch, weil U16 Piccolo letztendlich andere Erfahrungen und Erinnerungen hat, seit dem Ende der Buu-Arc.

Und XXI hat genau davon ein mentales Foto gemacht, um es den U13 Saiyajins zu zeigen. lol.
Ach der arme Raditz. Selbst wenn er die Chance hat, stärker zu werden, wird er letztendlich bloß als Schachfigur benutzt.

Are you sure?

U1 Kaioshins are not neutral observers, as usual. They actively participate in world events .... well ... events that affect their entire universe. Their behavior since the beginning of the U0 tournament seems rather ooc to them. What South has just done here is more in line with their past experience.

South not listening to Elder Kaioshin in any way seems suspicious. I admit that. But beating up Raditz wordlessly with just one hand. After the Saiyan tried to attack him with the supposed knowledge that he could defeat South. That does fit with U1 South.


But maybe it has something to do with page 2482, who knows? Definitely a peculiar page that no one else has mentioned since the chapter started.


Or someone else has blocked it, who knows ;)


If Raditz were Mystic-Gohan Power Level Tier, then Raditz could kill South with a single hit.
Mystic-Gohan is (at least) a whole tier stronger than Buu-Arc SSJ3 Goku.

We can assume this. If all Saiyans had their potential unlocked via Mystic Ritual, then all of them would be at least SSJ3 power level tier. Gohan, however, is something special, and thus in a hypothetical comparison of all Mystic Saiyans, the strongest and a whole power level tier stronger.


Just a small inconsistency on the part of the artist. Nothing else.


You could say that everyone except U18 has had different experiences, adventures and lives than their iterations from DB/Z.


Haha, somehow it is. A picture is worth a thousand words. 2 Replie(s)

It's a cool storyline to turn Raditz and Elder Kaioshin into zombies. Someone seems to have listened to the readers after all ;)

South: “Someone who undermines my authority and I can finally punch him in the face.”

Raditz winning? Here you go. :)

This feels a bit like page 2169. A great number of people assumes that the plot point is definitely finished here and now and won't be continued later.


I really hate to say this as someone who mostly likes the specials and flashback chapters. However, it's better to ignore chapter 100 in future. On page 2483 it was explicitly mentioned that this time it's not Elder Kaioshin's imagination. In other words, we can categorize any events in Chapter 100 as not true to the story for DBM. And any theories based on this chapter are immediately speculative and do not stand on solid ground. Comparable to Son Bra's dream chapter from the novel.

I agree with you that Mystic Raditz must be at least SSJ3 Vegeta Powerlevel Tier. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense why Elder Kaioshin would unleash Raditz's potential in a ritual that takes days just so Raditz can eventually be defeated by Vegeta U13 or South Kaioshin (an SSJ3 power level tier) with ease. Elder Kaioshin has only agreed to do the ritual so that Raditz can free U13 from Vegeta and Nappa. If Raditz potential doesn't even give the possibility of him having the slightest chance, Elder Kaioshin wouldn't waste his time.


Please refrain from such sarcastic comments. Please elaborate on your argument if you want to discuss it. And please without subliminal provocations.


@Ammar_&_John-no-arms
“The only thing that matters is whether the creator of the story wants it that way or not.”
— approximate quote from Stan Lee.

Salagir proved with U9 Yamcha and his fight against I'K'L that you can treat forgotten characters with respect ... if you want to. And considering that almost everyone in DBM gets at least one hype moment, I highly expect Raditz to get one at some point. It's just not in this chapter. 3 Replie(s)

Ich kann deine Enttäuschung verstehen. Dennoch bedanke ich mich dafür, dass du deinen Unmut in einer freundlichen Art und Weise zum Ausdruck gebracht hast. Leider ist das auf dieser Website selten.


Die Blockade war aber auch nicht schwer zu erraten. Es könnte auch etwas mit South zu tun haben, denn er könnte von jemandem manipuliert worden sein (I'K'L oder XXI). Dennoch sind die Möglichkeiten gering.
Die Antwort von Elder Kaioshin in Panel 2, würde eigentlich auch nur dann Sinn ergeben, wenn Raditz tatsächlich stärker als South wäre, aber aufgrund der Blockade daran gehindert wird, seine Mystic-Kraft freizusetzen. Wenn wir davon ausgehen, dass alle hier die Wahrheit sagen.

*Insert 'Sad Trombone Wah Wah Wah Fail Sound Effect'

Elder Kaioshin would not lie. There must be a reason why Raditz can't even move South here in the slightest. 1 Replie(s)

Bitte keine profanen Ausdrücke im Kommentarbereich.


Vielleicht ist das I'K'L's Werk auf Page 2482. Vielleicht hat South nach so vielen Regelverstößen endlich die Schnauze voll. Vielleicht hat XXI ihn mit einfachen Worten manipuliert. Vielleicht alles zusammen und vieles Mehr. Eins steht fest, es passt zu South's (DBM) Persönlichkeit, die hier von jemanden jetzt ausgenutzt wird. Bin gespannt wie es weitergeht.

I have a sinking feeling that a lot of people have completely forgotten about page 2482. South is clearly not fully himself at this moment. Something with I'K'L or maybe XXI kind of influenced him. Magic, special ability, simple manipulation? Hard to say. Still, it fits South's character. He's one of the few who's been a stickler for the rules. Every time, it's even made fun of at his expense. So much so that undermining South's authority is one of the longest running gags in DBM.

What's more, with the appointment of North as the new Grand Supreme Kai, the Kaioshin of the 4 who was most likely to speak out in favor of continuing the tournament was chosen. (Dai Kaioshin may have chosen North on purpose so that the tournament would continue). Then comes the scene with I'K'L and Yamcha. And later XXI's comment on page 2450.

It's perfectly understandable that South has finally had enough. All it takes is one 'manipulation' as a spark, and the Kaioshin falls like a domino.

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@brolyloco
In the end this is just a inconsistency in regard of art. Every artist has their own style and sometimes it can clash with the visuals and details of other artists and maybe Salagir's vision. We can assume the egg-spaceships are supposed to be smaller than the universe hopper spacehips.

And as Saso mentioned. There might be different inconsistencies across DBM. U13 Vegeta, for example, has no cape since he lost against Dr. Raichi in the tournament. Yet, some special chapters or flashback chapters after round 2 portray Vegeta with a cape. It's not supposed to be there anymore. However, we as readers understand that it's just a little error.


This is Asura's fanart version for a Coola 6th Form. He uploaded it on his Deviantart page.

Cooler 6th form By Asura-00


As for Cold's fanart transformations, Asura mostly just made sketches on Twitch, but they were never finalized or uploaded. I don't want to link screenshots from Twitch here against Asura's permission. Therefore it would be best if you just ask him nicely on Discord if he wants to share something.

Only now do I realize something. During the MR arc, many villains received the Majin boost and then kept it permanently. Nappa, Freeza and Coola were among them. If what XXI says is true, and his smoke also gives them a bit of a power boost, there's a chance we might finally get to see SSJ1 Nappa after all these years. And the Frostdemon brothers, both Freeza and Coola, could reach the same form as Coldyu. The 6th form. And Coldyu might even reach an unknown 7th form.

Fyi, Asura has drawn a 6th form Coola and 7th form Cold on his Deviantart page and Twitch respectively, as fanart. Asura drew a lot of things during the Twitch streams. So by no means should anyone expect those things to be incorporated into DBM. Just as a disclaimer.
But ...
What if that was unintentional foreshadowing. Or more likely, Salagir liked the idea and ended up including Asura's fanart (which was created outside of DBM) in the comic after all. Would definitely be cool.


@Cell
I agree with the general sentiment. Cell may be the only villain that won't work with XXI. However, the offer to meet an infinite number of new fighters should appeal to Cell. That's more or less the only thing that really interests him. Still, Cell doesn't like working as an underling, even if XXI doesn't portray it that way.


The events from this page happen before XXI's final wish (page 2461) for the finale against Goku. This chapter is a flashback and tells what happens during the Award Ceremony (roughly between page 2448 and page 2460).


You're welcome.
In general. Please don't take offense if I correct someone. In such cases, I simply want to prevent incorrect information from being shared unintentionally.


I can't remember if the Varga spaceships are specifically mentioned in terms of size, in the novel. However, you have to keep in mind. There are the regular spaceships that look like chicken eggs and are used as the main means of transportation to move around the selected universe. See page 13. And then there are the special universe hopper spaceships, which consist of 3 parts. See page 11. We can clearly see later how the egg spaceship flies towards the Universe Hopper spaceship, indicating that the small ship flies into the larger ship and docks there for universe travel. See page 19.

We can clearly assume that the spaceship with the 3 parts is a lot bigger than a regular spaceship. This could explain why we see so many spaceships on page 20, because they have traveled inside the Varga's oversized mother ship. And that probably also applies to U8 Freeza's spaceship. (We also see the spaceships later, but I wanted to focus on the first chapter) 3 Replie(s)

That's not true! During the night's rest right before the semi-final fight Goku vs Vegeta, Pan tells her grandfather that Uub has gone training somewhere. They've all known ever since. U18 could show a bit more interest in where Uub is, I agree, but they assume Uub will be back sooner or later.

Page 2161:
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Eigentlich eine ziemliche coole Idee. Der Eindruck als würde man multiple Kamehameha abfeuern.

Ich werde das 'bakooom' aus Panel 5 vermissen. xD

Ginyu, quick, Body-Swap with XXI! 1 Replie(s)

Ach natürlich. Freezer & Co. werden auch bei der Verschwörung miteinbezogen. Man braucht ja Kanonenfutter für die Guten zum k.o. schlagen. xD 2 Replie(s)

Die Hintergründe, in jedem Panel sehen sie anders aus. Der Kontrast wirkt nicht gut für die Augen. Geht vielleicht nur mir so. Trotzdem danke für die harte Arbeit, an die Coloristen.

Ich muss gestehen, ich verstehe Goku Black's erste Aussage nicht.
Dieser Comic ist im Bezug auf den Zeichenstil ziemlich gut, aber die Geschichte und die Dialoge hätten ein bisschen mehr Arbeit gebraucht.

I really like it when you utilize the full potential of a character before you kill them off or push them into the background. And to give Chiaotzu such a helpful scene here is wonderful.

Ja, da gebe ich dir Recht. Ich war mir nicht sicher, ob man nicht zu schnell in die heiße Phase des Kampfes wechselt. Mal gucken.


Da stimme ich dir zu. Zudem sagt der Titel des Fan Comics indirekt, dass es sich um den 'letzten' Son handelt, in dieser Geschichte. Damit ist unweigerlich Son Gohan gemeint.

Die Nahaufnahmen sind herrlich gut gezeichnet. Ich würde behaupten, die Stärken von thibault.

Yamoshi hat sich da eine echt feine Ehefrau ausgesucht. :)

XXI seems to have been one of the few to understand the potential of infinity in the form of the mutliverse from the beginning of DBM. He must have realized long ago that there is no point in deceiving the U13 Saiyans. There are an infinite number of universes. XXI literally never needs to step foot in the universes where the U13 Saiyans are present until the end of time (just in case they are all successful and share with each other as promised). I'm guessing XXI is being honest with the Saiyans here. It's like Vegetto. Convince your opponent with the truth.

I have to say, XXI reminds me a bit of the Immortal of Pandora in the past pages. His approach suggests that he has already lived all possible scenarios and possible dialogs and possible lives in some way in his long existence. He seems willing to actually share with everyone. The multiverse sounds big enough for him, very atypical for a DB villain to be honest. I'm hoping a potential plot twist regarding recruiting all the villains is yet to come.

I'm interested in Kakarot's statement. He's a fan of gratuitous violence and brutality. What could XXI show that impresses even Kakarot? Consuming people alive, like XXI tried with Gast? Or something else, like maybe XXI showed a delusion regarding Elder Kai and Raditz and Kakarot is now relieved in retrospect that his brother is still alive.


In about 99% of all fiction stories, this can be assumed.

Multiverse = infinite number of parallel universes

On page 11 it is stated that the Vargas have visited more than 5 trillion universes. (Sure, a random number may have been chosen at the time, just as a gag to show the sheer magnitude of the multiverse). Nevertheless, in DBM the infinite parallel universes principle applies. 1 Replie(s)

Das ist absolut nicht wahr. Und lediglich ein langanhaltender Irrglaube von Leuten, die diese Szene (absichtlich) misinterpretieren.

Es wird behauptet, dass es sich um etwas viel Schlimmeres, wie z. B. eine Vergewaltigung, handeln muss, da Kakarot Pan bereits gesagt hat, dass er Menschen getötet hat. Das wird aber nie bestätigt oder auch nur behauptet. Das machen nur die Leser, nie der Comic.

Salagir hat dies in verschiedenen Foren (Discord, Kommentarbereich, etc.) angesprochen. Und es war nur als Andeutung gedacht, dass Kakarot auch Kinder kaltblütig ermordet hat. Die Reaktion der Leser hat ihn absolut erschreckt, dass jemand stattdessen an Vergewaltigung überhaupt denken könnte, weshalb er die brutale Ader von U13 Kakarot auf Dauer abgemildert hat, weil er gemerkt hat, dass die Leser oft ihre eigenen verdrehten Ansichten in Dinge hineininterpretieren, die nicht klar ausgesprochen sind. 1 Replie(s)

First Dark Senzu, now Dark Eyes. Who all suspects that everything XXI affects with its smoke body will ultimately end up under its control?

Tenshinhan blutet bereits. Ob er wahrlich der Stärkste aus der Gruppe ist? 3 Replie(s)

Something is happening to Nasu in panel 2. The lines don't look like someone is firing an attack. Or maybe it is. Hard to say. We'll have to wait until the next page to find out.

Eine Sache, die den Leuten in anderen Sprachen aufgefallen ist. In Kapiteln mit Rückblenden oder Specials zur Hauptgeschichte, die von anderen Künstlern als Asura gezeichnet wurden, wird viel zu oft der Fehler mit dem Umhang von Vegeta gemacht. Seit dem Kampf gegen Dr. Raichi trägt U13-Vegeta den Umhang nicht mehr. Von der ersten Szene an, seit Vegetas Wiederbelebung, ist der Umhang weg. Zum Beispiel Page 1047 und Page 1048.

Das ist seltsam, wenn er von Asura und anderen Zeichnern unterschiedlich dargestellt wird. Keine große Sache, aber es kann einen aus der Immersion reißen, wenn man Besheid weiß.

Possible. However, I doubt that U1 Porunga is more powerful than its other variations. I'm guessing it's more like DrewSaga suspects, that U1 Porunga has unique features.


That was just speculation on my part. It could be something completely different.


You've been paying attention. This happens really often.


The fact that the clothes of both fusion partners together form a new garment is not implemented by all sequel series after DBZ. What a shame. If U13 Vegeta and U13 Kakarot were to merge via Potara, it would probably result in a 13 Vegetto that looks similar to Asura's fanart.

It is quite possible that XXI will use this tactic again. However, we need to address one thing that is very common in Dragonball. Once someone has seen an attack, that prodigy often comes up with a counter to it (in Goku's case, sometimes even immediately in the same moment).

Simple example from DBM. On page 116, U13 Vegeta has seen the Taiyoken (we now assume that this is the first time he has seen it). And on page 907 he has already used the simple counter for it.

My point is this. Goku knows about XXI's tactic of teleporting you to the reverse HTC dimension. As a martial arts expert, Goku should of course be prepared for the fact that XXI could use it at any time, especially at the beginning of the fight. Goku would simultaneously use a Kiai the moment he is teleported. Goku might even enter the ring as an NSSJ. In general, Goku of all people should be able to think of something to outsmart it after seeing it before. 1 Replie(s)

XXI phrases it here as if he wishes to have the ability to travel between universes. However, some have already mentioned this. If Porunga could fulfill such a wish, others should also be able to do so. And therefore there would be no good reason why ZenBuu could not.

I suspect XXI will ultimately word it very differently when it comes to the winner's wish. What if XXI wished to be a biological being from U1. Thus, he would have the predisposition to operate the Vargas' multiverse technology, as it was explained on page 2061. All he has to do then is get his hands on it. In this way, it would explain why ZenBuu could not accomplish it. Absorbing a U1 Varga doesn't help. That would be my theory.


Don't forget Goku, the good Vargas and Future Trunks. They also know about Elder Kaioshin's warning about XXI. And well, Vegetto.


XXI is a coward. He actually kept Gast relatively well in check, from our perspective, with the help of Janemba and his smoke, and picked up a solid win. But from XXI's perspective, it was far too risky and close for him. That means he either has some weaknesses that we're not really aware of yet. Something like the smoke only lasts for a short time, etc. Or XXI is an overly cautious guy who doesn't want to take any risks, and instead wants to pull off a win with a single move.
And he's slowly running out of 'surprises' he can fool Goku with and keep him in the dark. 3 Replie(s)

I love it, when Fan Manga remember Vegeta's Final Crash.

@TheSloppaSituation_&_ CompactCoven
You have recognized yourselves that you are off-topic. Please take the discussion elsewhere. Be it the DBM forum or Discord. And please no subliminal insults like last time, otherwise the whole debate will be deleted.


Well, page 561 teased it. Somehow he'll win the tournament now. lol.


You seem to have put the pieces of the puzzle together, but something is clearly missing. You're right. There seems to be something wrong with all the information we have so far. There must be more to come.


Good question. So far we have never seen U9 use Senzu beans. And at the very latest when Videl had her severe cramps after killing Majin Cell Jr. #1 with her Maximum Kaioken, the other U9 members would surely have given her a senzu. Instead, Videl has been sitting on the couch recovering since the end of the MR arc.

Whether U9 have access to senzu beans in their universe but didn't bring any to the DBM tournament is also interesting. We've seen U1 Namekian and Vargas meet the U9 members at Kami's Lookout and invite them to the tournament, similar to U18. That means U9 must also know Korin, who plants the Senzus. My guess is that, like U18, they simply didn't bring any senzu beans with them. 3 Replie(s)

Sie fügen Goku mehr Schaden zu, als dem Monster, lol.

Ich fand die Sandland Referenz immer saukomisch. Besonders weil Dabura das sagt, was für eine Ironie, wenn man bedenkt, wie Beelzebubs Vater aussieht. lol

Piccolo sieht schön giftig grün aus. Die Farben sind wiedermal klasse.

Könntest du das bitte erläutern? Meinst du mein Kommentar zu EVA-03? Ja, das ist meine Meinung. Ich bin nicht vom Tod von Raditz und dem alten Kaioshin überzeugt. Falls du allerdings Regel #9 meinst, dann muss ich dir widersprechen. Das ist nicht meine Meinung. Ich mache die Regeln nicht, ich setze sie nur durch. Ich bitte dich, sich in Zukunft an diese Regel zu halten.


Hinweise auf deine Frage findest du in Kapitel 103 und zu Beginn dieses Kapitels. ;)

Wenn man wirklich eine Vorlage für XXI in Dragonball finden möchte, dann vermute ich, Oberteufel Piccolo als alter Mann am besten passt. Diese Form des (Hinter-)Kopfes und die verschrumpelte Haut dazu. So etwas habe ich bisher nur bei Piccolo gesehen, (vielleich auch noch bei Babidi). Aber vermutlich gab es andere Inspirationquellen, die mir nicht bekannt sind. Trotzdem wirkt das Design von XXI eher unverbraucht.

Oh, that's really amusing. I wonder how many people at the end will be seriously convinced that the Mystic-Raditz subplot has been wrapped up here and now. Reminds me of Family Guy when they tried to convince us that Brian had actually died and was written out of the show.


@Kururun
We do not transfer discussions from previous pages to the latest page. A little note for the future.

Du klingst sehr überzeugt davon, dass die Nebenhandlung mit Mystic-Raditz endgültig abgehakt ist. Du könntest hier voreilige Schlüsse ziehen.


@the dark wolf
Bitte beachte Regel #9.
Keine Doppelposts. Dafür gibt es die "Bearbeiten"-Taste. Natürlich kannst du mehrmals auf einer Seite posten, aber eben nicht direkt hintereinander, und ohne zu spammen. Du kannst andere User auch noch zitieren/antworten, wenn du dein Kommentar editierst. Es gibt keinen Grund innerhalb von Minuten zwei Kommentare zu hinterlassen. 1 Replie(s)

Ah, dieses Monster erinnert mich an die Pikmin Spiele xD

Ich habe diese Szene immer geliebt. Der Ekel ist wirklich unheimlich gut inszeniert. Cell Junior und sein Schicksal, immer einen (visuell) grausamen Tod zu erleiden. Panel 2 ist in Farbe noch beeindruckender.

Diese Seite bot damals viel Raum für Theorien. Wenn man bedenkt, wie schnell Gast den armen Cell Jr besiegt und auch gleich seinen Kern trifft, kann man davon ausgehen, dass der Namekianer von Cells Nukleus bestens Bescheid weiß. Und das liefert genügend Anhaltspunkte, wie Gast seinen U7 Cell bekämpft hat.

A question of understanding for those who are well versed in the Goku Black Arc. Is SSJ Rage actually a transformation that Trunks can control, in the sense that he can activate it whenever he wants? Or was that a one-time thing in DBS, and he would need a similar situation to relive it? 2 Replie(s)

Also, ich mag das Paneling beziehungsweise das Storyboard für die Kampfszenen. Man erkennt leicht was passiert.

The first panel looks incredible. I like Tien's face. xD

Ein kleiner Hinweis. Wer Goten-kuns andere Fan-Mangas kennt, kann sich ausmalen, ob die Mafuba erfolgreich eingesetzt werden wird oder nicht. ;)

Eine Menge Fraktionen in diesem Szenario. Nicht viel per se, aber unüblich für Dragonball. Hoffentlich bleiben die Panels und das Storyboard im Allgemeinen übersichtlich wer gerade gegen wen kämpft.

It is quite possible that Chilled will die before he can pass this information on to his descendants. Of course, the Bardock special where he becomes SSJ1 and time-travels would have to be classified as non-canon for this story.


There is a way to fight the infected Saiyans. xD

What has unfortunately been completely lost in all the debate on today's page is XXI and how he can apparently teleport.

I wonder, is he able to teleport himself, or does he use a spell to do it? In his public appearances during the tournament, he has always used magic to get into the ring. For example, page 724, here it looks like he can teleport his (puppet-)body with his black smoke, which could be part of his natural ability. I understand why he didn't want to show this ability in the tournament. He never plays his own trump cards unless it's necessary. Still, I wonder if he's really capable of practically running away in any situation. That would be an important detail for the future when it comes to the final confrontation with XXI.


I did not claim that Goku being bulletproof would be a Deus Ex Machina. That was just my introductory part to the discussion. Of course, the meeting of Goku and Bulma is the main event and introduction of the two lead roles in the series in general. Everything here is establishing lore. What I meant was that it fits Toriyama style. Goku, despite the monkey tail, seems like a regular boy for the most part, to whom most of our laws of physics would apply. That he turns out to be bulletproof right when Bulma shoots at him fits with Toriyama's style, where stuff largely comes out of nowhere. That misunderstanding is on me.

As for the other points. I have to disagree with you entirely. It's as if we have completely different understandings of Dragonball. But I don't want to take the discussion any further off-topic.


You are correct, unless a character is dumping the Backstory And Origin section of his Wikia page. (towards his actual enemy, whom he should distrust at this moment.) xD
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