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Die Schattierungen und Farben in Panel 1 sind unglaublich. Toll gemacht.

This page is quite informative.
Poran is quite limited in what he can do for XXI. A lifeless planet is apparently the maximum amount of matter he can create per wish. All life is officially gone in U5, and that was long before U1 Vargas appeared.

Yeah, Videl handling the U13 Saiyans. Perfect, I love it. xD
I'm glad to hear that we're getting another chapter of XXI. There are definitely some aspects that could use a little more attention.

Ich muss 'High School! Kimengumi' mal endlich nachholen. Scheint sehr beliebt zu sein, Salagir scheint die Serie definitiv zu mögen. :)

I'd go so far as to say that this actually makes more sense than the original. Here in the parody, you even assume that it makes no sense. In the original, it's just baffling to watch why the two of them end up together.

Das nenne ich mal einen epischen Auftritt. Diese Seite fand ich immer sehr gut umgesetzt. Der SSJ für U3 Vegeta sieht echt gut aus.

Der Meta-Gag ist sehr witzig, das muss man zugeben. Die Autorin erklärt es im englischen Kommentarbereich dieser Seite.

Hey, Yamoshi kopiert einfach Bardock. Na, hoffentlich hat er auch eine Vision von der Zukunft. xD

Da setzt jemand klare Prioritäten. haha

That really touches me.
Videl has always been my favorite female character in DB. But somehow, Maruyama managed to make me appreciate her even more. That encounter with her mother’s killer in prison was truly very emotional. It shaped Videl as a character, and I’m grateful for that. Truly outstanding work, both artistically and, above all, in terms of the writing. 2 Replie(s)

Vielen Dank, Sayazur. Vegeta-Tales war wirklich unterhaltsam. Ich freue mich schon auf deine zukünftigen Projekte, insbesondere auf „Invasion Arc“, das sehr vielversprechend klingt. Ich wünsche dir weiterhin viel Erfolg mit deinen anderen Comics.

Nun, ich finde tatsächlich, dass diese Seite unendlich episch aussieht. Die Vorstellung, dass XXI die Anführerin des Kaioshin-Reiches, den Dämonenkönig, die Verkörperung allen Bösen in der Hölle und alles Gute im Himmel als seine persönlichen Diener versammelt hat – das klingt für einen Bösewicht wirklich episch.

Und ich finde auch, dass das absolut zu XXI’s Charakter passt. Er hat immer den einfachen Ausweg gesucht und andere für sich kämpfen lassen. Das gilt sowohl für das DBM-Turnier als auch für die U5-Hintergrundgeschichte. Man mag sich fragen, ob XXI tatsächlich klug handelt, wenn man bedenkt, dass er sich sein eigenes Grab geschaufelt hat, indem er alles im Universum verschlungen hat. Allerdings kann man XXI als Bösewicht keinen Vorwurf machen, wenn man bedenkt, dass die beliebtesten Charaktereigenschaften der Bösewichte in Dragon Ball „Arroganz“, „Impulsivität“ usw. sind. XXI ist trotz all seiner Schwächen und Macken immer noch viel berechnender und klüger als die Mehrheit der Charaktere in DB (sowohl Antagonisten als auch Protagonisten).

This chapter reminds me a lot of Chapter 25. And you can draw parallels between them. With the U1 Kaioshins, we’re often shown a compilations of their conflicts in one-page summaries. It’s similar here with XXI, where we’re only shown the background and who XXI encounters in his backstory, not how he defeats them. But I have to admit, I’d love to know how XXI wins.

Here's something else that caught my attention. Lady Di has the Z Sword. It's super epic, of course, but since when has she had it? Did she pull it out of the ground, like Gohan did in DBZ? Or did XXI dispel the enchantment so she could pull it out easily, or did XXI provide it for her in the first place?

On Plot Armor and XXI’s Success:
Alright, there’s definitely a heavy dose of plot armor at work here. That said, the real reason XXI managed to survive and dominate for so long was his strategy of enslaving the strongest champions and forcing them into his service.
Because without the magicians’ failure, XXI would likely never have wished for those precise hacks and power-ups. Without those specific upgrades, he probably wouldn’t have won the rematch against Lady Di. Without Lady Di as his minion, he would have lost to Hopocus. Without Lady Di and Hopocus by his side, defeating Janemba would have been impossible. And without that growing army of Lady Di, Hopocus, and Janemba, victory against Thorn’s father would have been completely out of reach.
In short, it was a true domino effect. All of it tracing back to his initial enslavement of the champions. It makes XXI’s run impressive in its own way, but it also shows just how reliant he was on this strategy.

The most epic page on DBM.

Man kann deutlich Kakarot's Wahnsinn erkennen. In der S/W-Version ist mir nie aufgefallen, wie seine Hände in Panel 1 und Panel 2 zittern. Es schüttelt ihn buchstäblich, weil er keine Fake-Saiyajins töten kann. Die U13 sind doch alle verrückt.

Blut spritzt, Knochen fliegen!

Auf der vorherigen Seite einmal Vegeta's Cousine und Gerkin in den neuen U3 Saiyajin-Rüstungen, und hier einmal mit den typischen Freeza-Force Rüstungen. Netter Kontrast und nett ihre Farbmuster zu sehen.

So that’s him. The opposite of Janemba. What would you call him?

Janemba comes from “Janen” (Japanese for “evil/abominable”) + “ba” (monster/demon). He is, so to speak, the embodiment of pure evil, born from the accumulated negative karma and the evil souls of hell. The logical counterpart would be something with “Zen” (善 = good/pure/virtuous).

So Zennoba = “good/virtuous monster/being.”


I have to admit, the angel wings are a bit much and don’t really fit with Dragon Ball in general. And just like with Cold’s 6th Form, the extra pair of arms was unnecessary.

However, I do like the overall vibe it gives off. I imagined bright white-and-gold colors for myself, different from Janemba’s red-purple. A halo-like aura. The face would be friendly and wise, almost like a mix of a grandfather and a god (think of a mix of King Kai, Supreme Kai, and a Super Saiyan with a pure heart). And I think I can make out the facial structure of an Alcmenian (Thorn’s race). Which would make sense, since this race is likely common in heaven and could therefore play a part in the design. 2 Replie(s)

Vegeta's Cousine sehen wir in Special Kapitel 14 noch einmal. Das war Seite-293 vom Hauptcomic. Gerkin sehen wir in diversen Saiyajin-zentrierten Specials wieder. Unter anderem kämpft er gegen Hanasia um den Thron in U3 (Siehe Seite-1466)

Vegeta's Angriff sieht einfach sehr viel sauberer aus. Das ist ein gutes visuelles Indiz dafür, dass Vegeta seine Energie besser in einen Angriff bündeln kann.

Das bekannte neuzeitige "Skill Issue" passt ideal für Hopocus. xD

Ah, Shin's bekannte Telekinese. Das ist wohl eine besondere Fähigkeit unter den Kaioshin, die anscheinend all kennen.

Wirklich sehr beeindruckende Zeichnungen. Großes Lob an Steve, den Zeichner.

Auf ewig die gehirngewaschene Sklavin deines größten Widersachers zu sein. Lady Di's Schicksal ist wirklich sehr herzzerreißend. Es ust wie ein Stich ins Herz, als sie XXI mit Meister anspricht. Auch wenn Salagir diesen Aspekt vermutlich nicht besonders hervorheben wollte, berührt mich diese Szene mit der Kaioshin dennoch zutiefst.

Das ist der Vorteil von XXI's quasi Unsterblichkeit. Er hat alle Zeit der Welt. Und Mit genug Zeit, kann man jeden Willen und Verstand brechen.

Mir gefällt es sehr gut, dass Daburas Vorfahr ebenfalls in dieselbe Kategorie wie der Dämonenkönig aus DBZ eingeordnet wird. Er hat ein ernstes Auftreten und ein entsprechendes Design. Viel zu oft werden in Dragon Ball die Erwartungen umgekehrt, indem der ältere/stärkere Bösewicht tatsächlich der kleine Kerl mit dem lustigen Design ist.

Das muss eines der schlimmsten Schicksale sein, die einer rechtschaffenen Person wie der Kaioshin widerfahren können.

Panel 1 könnte man glatt als Kapitel-Cover ausgeben oder als Bildschirmschoner verwenden oder sogar als Kunstwerk in einem Museum aufhängen. Seine bedrohliche Präsenz macht das ganze erst so richtig beeindruckend. Und Enma's Gesichtsausdruck in letzten Panel finde ich persönlich genial gezeichnet. Man erkennt den Terror in seinen Augen. Er weiß es ist vorbei jetzt.

Run Enma, run!

Like Saso said, it's just a nickname. To be honest, I was tired of constantly typing “Female Dai Kaiosin” or “Ancient Grand Supreme Kai” in the chat. So I decided to cut it short.


One could also put forward the theory that Janemba (as mentioned by Gast in the DBM tournament) doesn’t have a soul per se. Perhaps the entity that devours XXI needs a soul. Probably not, though, since XXI devours everything, including dimensions, etc.
The most likely scenario is that XXI considers Janemba a useful asset, similar to how he views the Kaioshins and the Demon King.


It’s also quite possible that XXI is acting insidiously and will devour them all at the right moment or turn them into his puppet fighters. After all, he recruited U8, U13, and U14 during the tournament, so he certainly wanted to be as discreet as possible. Furthermore, one might argue that XXI is so worn out after millions of years that his power to enslave someone like Lady Di and Hopocus has been exhausted, and he might not be 100% certain of success. The risk is too high; the tactical approach of recruiting via an alliance (for now) sounds quite reasonable.

Das Dream Duo aus Kaioshin und Dämonenkönig besiegen gemeinsam die Verschmelzung allen Bösens aus der Hölle. Einfach genial. Ausnahmsweise wünschte ich, wir würden den Kampf sehen, nicht nur die Zusammenfassung. Und Janemba sieht richtig krass aus. Respekt an Steve.

I think this pairing of Lady Di and Hopocus is brilliant. Both leaders of their respective realms essentially serve as manipulated puppets for XXI. In a way, they’re opposites of each other, and yet they’re working together to defeat a clearly stronger enemy. I’m so curious to see if and when we’ll get to see them in the main story. It also makes sense why he’s kept both characters from us, assuming they’re still alive by the time of the DBM. He’s holding onto his trump cards and saving them for later. And in Lady Di’s case, it would only draw unwanted suspicion from the U1 Kaishin.

It’s also very fascinating what DBM is doing with Janemba. According to the plot, as far as we know, he only exists in U5. Apparently, no other universe has experienced a similar incident with the Soul Purification Machine. But given the battle with Gast Carcolh, we can speculate a bit about how strong U5 Janemba is and, by extension, how strong XXI is. However, we probably shouldn’t rely too heavily on traditional power scaling when it comes to XXI.


Think of it more as a summary of many events, similar to Chapter 25. The difference is that instead of being for U1, this time it's a much longer version for U5. 1 Replie(s)

Also das Kapitel erinnert mich ein wenige an Kapitel 25. Dort wurde ähnlich eher eine Zusammenfassung der Ge­scheh­nisse gezeigt, als eine einheitliche Geschichte. Hier werden ebenfalls nur einzelne wichtige Wendepunkte erwähnt, aber nie richtig ausgeweitet.

Wow. The visuals look incredible. The two champions from XXI are facing off against Janemba. First, the leader from the Kaioshin Realm; then, the king from the Demon Realm; and next, the amalgamation of all the evils from hell. XXI has truly assembled an extraordinary and impressive lineup of fighters. I just wish he had more than just these three. 1 Replie(s)

I have a hunch that Salagir might not be very fond of Janemba’s design or concept, which is why he jumps straight to Super Janemba instead—the transformation that most fans probably associate with Janemba. Of course, the movie suggests that Janemba and his transformation mimic Buu in a certain way, since the Buu arc was still relevant during the film’s production. Fat Buu = Fat Janemba; Super Buu = Super Janemba.


That would explain why the U18 Z-Fighters didn't recognize Janemba during the tournament match between Gast and XXI. They've never encountered Janemba in their universe.


If I remember correctly, Fat Janemba transformed into Super Janemba after Goku hit him directly with an attack and presumably injured him severely.

As for the soul-purification machine, I suspect that XXI's attempt to devour Hell caused some kind of malfunction in the machine. Whether the machine was full of souls or not is a matter for debate.


Don't forget that this chapter focuses entirely on XXI's backstory. Unlike the previous one, which treated the Kaioshins as the chapter's secondary focus, this one is all about XXI (and Poran) and how he became the character we'll meet later in the DBM tournament. And since XXI is an exclusive DBM OC, and on top of that a character who comes across quite differently from what’s typical in fanfiction, it’s no surprise that this chapter feels a bit different from typical Dragon Ball. Unfortunately, I can’t give you any advice other than to just accept it as it is. 1 Replie(s)

So that’s why Poran would say that all the time (during the DBM tournament) when talking to XXI. Really consistent writing. I like it.

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Poran is awesome. I wonder if, in future stories, he'll try to team up with the Z Fighters if the opportunity arises.

Wow, der Effekt für die KI-Attacke in Panel 5 ist unglaublich. Man kann noch die Laufbahn der Attacke am Effekt erkennen. Und das Blut hat auch mehrere Schichten an Rot-Tönen. Wirklich sehr beeindruckend.

It seems Hopocus isn't dead and I guess XXI will impison him like he did with the Dai Kaioshin.


Good idea, but I'm afraid XXI needs something like KI to truly feel saturated. He said something similar during the semifinal match against Gast. An empty planet probably wouldn't be the same as one filled with millions of living beings. 1 Replie(s)

Das Charakterdesign hat Steve (der Zeichner) richtig gut drauf. Allesamt sehen spektakulär aus. Zu schade, dass wir sie nie wieder zu Gesicht bekommen. Poran hat auch langsam einen echt witzige Persönlichkeit entwickelt. Allerdings kann ich ihn verstehen, der muss sich auf ewig mit XXI auseinandersetzen.

How quickly did that spit stone spell get reset? That could easily give the nanobots in the Ultra Heloites’ bloodstream a run for their money, lol. Nevertheless, XXI would naturally use a wish to find a solution to the problem.

It seems like these figures are all Hopocus’ Demon Goons. Demon Lords, so to speak, who serve only the Demon King. And now that he’s been defeated, they’re trying their luck on their own. Just my take on it.

Fascinating, it only took XXI 26 million years to devour the Demon Realm, or maybe we’re just finding out now, since Poran has gotten pretty sassy, haha. I like it.

"Fish out of water" Geschichte ab jetzt. Jetzt fehlt nur noch, dass er irgendwie verhaftet wird oder zufällig einen der andere Z-Fighters trifft.

Echt hübsches Motorrad.

Yamchu und Puar haben eine so gute Chemie miteinander. So wie Han und Chewbacca und viele andere Geschichten mit einer Figur und einem tierischen Begleiter. Echte Freunde eben. Einfach schade, was das Fandom und die Serie aus denen gemacht hat.

Ach, die gute alte Videl. Genau so, wurde sie uns vorgestellt. Freut mich.

Die Korruption des absoluten Bösen. Ha, ich habe mir schon immer vorstellen wollen, wie dieses Konzept visuell aussehen könnte. Ist ziemlich schwer, vom "Guten" korumpiert werden. Faszinierendes Konzept. Ich wünschte, wir könten mehr von U3 Oberteufel Piccolo zu sehen bekommen.

Das Cover ist auch wirklich süß. Mit dem Mädchen im Hintergrund, die von Piccolo anscheinend gerettet wurde. Quasi eine ungewollte, gute Tat vom Oberteufel.

If they act fast, they’ll turn the spaceship around and get out of there as quickly as possible. Of course, they don’t stand a chance against an SSJ, but maybe Vegeta really is a little worn out.

They picked the absolute worst possible moment to return. Their master is dead, and the rival who might have hired them if they’d helped is dead. Just bad timing, haha. Also, nice call back to page 108. 1 Replie(s)

Oh man, so ein Perversling. 1 Replie(s)

Das ist doch ne Abzocke. 2 Wörter am Tag? Panorashi leidet bestimmt nicht an Aufmerksamkeitsdefizit-Hyperaktivitätsst­örung, Huh, würde das für ihn als ein Wort oder zweit Wörter gelten? Haha.

Respekt an Vegeta. Das hat er wirklich grandios alles selbst geschafft.

Einfach unglaublich atemberaubende Zeichnungen. Dieser Tritt ist so beeindruckend.

This is the ultimate 'divine kick'.

Dabura war anscheinend nicht der einzige mit so einer besonderen Fähigkeit.

I think in this case, it can be explained by the fact that the Z Sword actually dealt damage to XXI. Since Lady Dai was already dead when he pulled the sword out, I suspect that XXI then set out to find the source of the power, namely Old Kai. And in doing so, he presumably left Dai Kaioshins' body behind. Perhaps she would have been consumed had she not landed a decisive blow with the Z Sword.


I suspect that the Kaioshins, in general, have always been on the same level. It seems more likely that XXI was much weaker back then, eons ago.


The hubris of the Kaioshin believing that their species is superior to all others, to the point of not even considering other heroes or champions of other races as potential fighters against XXI. 1 Replie(s)

Wow, by their second battle, XXI is no longer the size of a normal humanoid, but the size of a planet. It’s remarkable, and personally, I find it hard to even imagine fighting something that big. 1 Replie(s)

I really like Lady Dai Kaioshin's design. She simply reminds me of one of my OCs, lol.

So, as I see it, it seems that in the DBM continuity, Enma Daio truly only grants permission for someone to return to the realm of the living (for a short time) in extremely rare situations. If we’re being honest, King Yemma didn’t even allow West Kaioshin and North Kaioshin to return for a day when Kid Buu was about to kill/absorb the remaining Kaioshins (South, East, Dai).


Well, he's an ogre. They're specifically associated with the Other World. Kaioshins, on the other hand, have their own realm. To be honest, that’s an interesting question: which came first, the ogres or the Kaioshin? Enma is in charge of the Check-In Station, which is where the souls of the deceased pass into the afterlife. That must have existed since the Other World was created. Kaioshin, on the other hand, are gods of creation. I wish DBZ had shed a little more light on that. 2 Replie(s)

Es fühlt sich beinahe an, als würde XXI keine große Eile haben, alle diese Wünsche zu äußern. Für ein Wesen, der Millionen von Jahre lebt, scheinen 130 Tage wohl garnichts zu sein.

Lady Groß Kaioshin ist wieder da. Sie erhält von Enma Daio die Erlaubnis ins Reich der Lebenden zurückzukehren, um XXI zu besiegen. Interessant. Leider wirft das die Frage auf, warum Enma das nicht auch für Nord Kaioshin und West Kaioshin erlaubt hat, als Kid Buu die beiden bereits getötet hat, und dann gegen die restlichen drei Kaioshin gekämpft hat. Ok, wir müssen wohl einsehen, dass es in der DBM-Kontinuität eine extreme Rarität ist, selbst beim Versuch das Universum zu retten, den Körper wiederzu erlangen und für eine kurze Dauer ins Reich der Lebenden zurückzukehren und den Übeltäter bekämpft.

Die prähistorischen Namekianer sehen so aus, wie ich sie mir vorgestellt hätte ... nicht besonders anders als in DBZ. Ich frage mich, ob der Namekianer, der von XXI gegriffen wird, auch der Schöpfer von Poran ist. Höchstwahrscheinlich. Allerdings heißt es, dass XXI ihn nicht töten darf, sonst wird auch Poran vernichtet. Die folgenen Seiten werden bestimmt erklären, was XXI als nächstes tat. Ich finde es sehr aufregend zu sehen, wie es neben Porunga und Shenlong eben nun auch einen dritten Drachen gab. Dieses Konzept, noch viel mehr Oberältesten und ihre Versionen von Drachen und Dragonballs einzuführen, ist ziemlich cool. Zudem mag ich auch, dass U5 Poran im DBM Turnier sichtlich nicht so viel Macht hat, wie die anderen beiden Drachen aus DB. Poran ist sozusagen Teil der Anfänge der Namekianer und deren Magie. Würde mich nicht stören, wenn der Großteil des Flashback's die merkwürdige Beziehung zwischen Poran und XXI aufzeigt.

The Namekian, who is arguably Poran's creator, is still alive on this page.

What could be simpler than hiding the Dragonballs from unwanted use? Spend a wish on ensuring that the dragon grants wishes only to a single person. Yourself.

The special will likely focus on who XXI devours after winning against the Kaioshin and how he comes to encounter the dragon Poran.

Wie XXI die Kaioshin verschlingt ist wirklich angsteinflößend.

Okay, the half-naked Kaioshin suggests that the divergence in U5 might have something to do with the former Grand Kaioshin. I wonder if she’ll also establish a connection between XXI and the Poran Dragon Balls. The cover is definitely designed to be very intriguing.

Sehr faszinierendes Cover-Bild. Die ehemalige Groß-Kaioshin halbnackt tanzend, umgeben von Dragonballs. XXI hat seine Finger überall im Spiel. Als wäre das eines der Cover aus DBM-Colors. Unglaublich ambitioniert.

Seggui, no! I really hope he’s not dead. To be honest, that would mean a lot to me personally. Even though it’s clearly implied that Seggui dies at the end, with his eyes completely white. But that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s actually dead. In CH43, Seggui supposedly died at Bojack’s hands, too. There’s still hope that he’s just close to death again here and will miraculously survive, like last time. That could definitely become a new running gag, with Seggui constantly surviving seemingly certain death situations. I respect Seggui’s perseverance, at least. A real roly-poly doll, even though he’s literally lying on the ground right now, haha.

I also like the little detail in the word choice. Seggui wants to see him hanged. Pirates were hanged in executions back in the day. A little nod to real-world history and the fact that Bojack is considered a (space) pirate.


I have to say, the text box at the end is a bit suspicious. The wording leaves room for speculation. He died in bed, but did he die peacefully? Did he die as an old man? I doubt it, because we know that Snower “disappears” at the age of 1,139. His father, Blizzard, was over 1,500 years old when he was killed in battle. Snower should actually have had enough potential to live at least as long as his father. I suspect DBM wants to wrap up the chapter but leave enough possibilities open to suggest what actually happened to Snower a hundred years later.


Thank you so much for all your hard work on this chapter. It was certainly a long-term investment. It paid off. Your art style is phenomenal. If I were to ask, what kind of guidelines were there regarding Seggui? For example, his armor. Was it specified that the scar on his stomach had to be covered? Did you have the freedom to develop the armor? The many OC characters like the Duke or the Jaykal scientists or the remaining Jaykal soldiers. Did you design them all? And with Snower, did you have the freedom to design his final form (aka 4th form) yourself, or were there guidelines from the DBM team for that as well? Because as someone who has read the Hanasia novel, including the fan art inside, including Snower’s, I was surprised for a moment by Snower’s appearance in this chapter. However, I’ve really grown to love his design here.


Yes, Seggui seems a bit crazy in this situation, thinking he can do anything against Snower. And I find this madness, which Seggui himself doesn’t even realize, a bit fascinating. I would have written some things differently regarding his personality at this stage of his life, but I’m not disappointed with DBM’s version. Seggui was certainly a respectable commander before the events of CH43. Bojack must have done so much damage to him, both physically and mentally.


You must have misread that. It says “Mini Comic 77.” Basically, it's this explanatory page about Bojack in the various DBM universes.



Frost demons are skilled in telekinesis. We saw that with Freeza. I suspect that Snower simply ripped the key components of Seggui’s armor, which had been added by his scientists and were essentially fused to his body, right out of Seggui’s body. Which is presumably intended to cause Seggui to bleed to death. Imagine X-Men 2 Movie, when Magneto rips out the metal form inside a man's body. 2 Replie(s)

No, they are literally on Planet Jayna right now. The home planet of the Jaykals aka Hera-Jins. See page 2653, page 2654 and page 963.

Ich liebe es wie diese ganze Situation aufgebaut wird. Snower hat einfach sehr viele Informationen zur Verfügung und er weiß ganz genau wie er Leute so manipuliert, damit sie das tun, was er will. Ein genial guter Politiker. Nebenbei erfahren wir auch, wie alle 4 Kaios einige ihrer ikonischen Gegenstände und Outfitdetails eben durch korrupte Geschenke erhalten haben. ich finde das einfach so passend zu Dragonball.

Um genauer gesagt dienen die 4 Planeten der Kaios als eine Art Barriere für das Gefängis. Etwas wie eine seperate Dimension. Sobald ein Planet zerstört wird, ist der gesamte Bann gebrochen. Allerdings müsste ich mich etwas weiter erkundigen, was die Einzelheiten angeht, wie viel von Toei veröffentlicht wurde, wie viel DBM selbst verändert und hinzugefügt hat. :)

It’s really very satisfying to finally see the Kais seal the Bojack Gang. That was explained in the movie, and even back then I wondered how King Kai and his colleagues (who, mind you, can’t stand each other) managed to stop someone as powerful as Perfect Cell. This special and, more generally, the inclusion of the Frost Demon backstory in DBM, is not only thrillingly crafted but truly adds value to the DB lore. I also find it very impressive how Snower knows how to submit to the DB deities so as not to become a target himself. Unlike Freeza.

Haha, they all received gifts from Snower. He talked to everyone and at least got them to take the whole Bojack thing seriously and even changed their minds. Snower, that brilliant politician. Doesn't surprise me; he pulled a “Palpatine” in the Hanasia Novel. He supported the rebellion while also serving his father, and in the end, he came out on top.

Just like "DDDDD" mentioned in the comment section. There’s that famous saying: “Better an enemy you know than one you don’t.”

I think the Kaios would be better off having a tyrant like Snower as their adversary than someone like Bojack. You can’t negotiate, reason with, or properly manipulate the pirate. He doesn’t fall for the usual attempts at appeasement. He can cause chaos at any moment. We’ve already seen that when he kills his own crew members as soon as they show even a hint of defiance, backtalk, or insolence.

And you're right. U9 Old Kaioshin is also willing to negotiate with someone like Raditz when it comes to choosing the lesser of two evils.


Just a quick correction here. The Special and Bojack's sealing take place in the year 507. DBZ, on the other hand, is set mainly from the year 760 onward. The Bojack Gang is therefore (in U18) sealed away for only approximately 250 years.


So Snower has at least partially kept the promise of peace he made in the Hanasia novel. For 400 years, since he became Emperor, he has not expanded his empire. Admittedly, at the time of this special, about 300 years have already passed since he began conquering planets again. Jayna is, of course, a good example. Unfortunately, we don’t know the exact details of what Snower’s conquest campaigns looked like, but I’d guess that his methods differ from those of Cold and Freeza.


I’ve long wondered why the four Kaios only sealed the Bojack gang. The out-of-universe explanation, of course, is that the creators of the Bojack Unbound movie simply threw this ability of the Kaios into the plot without really considering the consequences for the world-building.

In-universe, I’d propose two theories.
First, the Kaios can only use this ability to seal someone once. If they want to do it again, they have to clear out the prison. Think of it like a Poké Ball. Once you’ve caught a Pokémon, you can’t use the same Poké Ball to catch a wild Pokémon again. Not until you release the captured creature and free up space.
The other theory is that the sealing process draws on the Kaios’ life energy. This ability can be so taxing on them that a second attempt to imprison someone in a new prison could cost them their lives. (Similar to Mafuba.)


You're absolutely right about the witch in the realm of the Kaioshin. I agree with you. However, even though a lot of fanfiction promotes the idea that the deities are widely known throughout the universe and among the general populace, that's not how it's portrayed in DBZ itself. It’s still treated as if knowledge of the Kaios and Kaioshins is limited to those who are either connected in some way to a planetary Kami or possess knowledge of the Other World. And you’re also right that the Kaios could theoretically make contact with mortals at any time, but my point was more that a mortal could initiate contact with the deities on their own, without having to enter the Other World themselves.


The Bojack movie doesn't explain how the Seal connects to Kaio's planet. It just states that it does. Kaio's planets existed even before they sealed Bojack. And they've always been that small.

Every single sealing in Dragon Ball, whether through technique or magic, has always involved a weaker character sealing away a stronger one. I don't understand why this should suddenly be so different for Bojack and Kaio compared to the standard in Dragon Ball.

Da auf der aktuellen Seite etwas ausführlicher auf Snowers familiären Hintergrund eingegangen wird, dachte ich, ich würde eine Grafik mit Freezers Stammbaum posten, die vielleicht etwas Klarheit schaffen könnte, falls jemand die Details aus dem Hanasia-Novel nicht mehr auf dem Schirm haben sollte.



Ich bin ein großer Fan von der heutigen Seite. So viel Lore kompakt vorgestellt. Wir erfahren tatsächlich woher Meister Kaio sein Auto her hat, lol. Figuren außer Bibidi/Babidi und die Z-Fighters haben Kontakt mit den Gottheiten (Kaios - Kaioshin) des DB Universums hergestellt. Es gibt außer Uranai Baba auch andere Hexen/Wesen mit der Möglichkeit mit "Other World" zu kommunizieren. Der Inhalt aus dem Hanasia Novel wird quasi zusammengaefasst. Eine Begründung warum ausgerechnet die Frostdämonen unter Snowers Herrschaft eine gegünstigte Behandlung erfahren dürfen. Und die allgemeine Politik, die zur Entscheidung führt Bojack und seine Bande zu versiegeln wird erklärt. Das ist spitzen Dragonball Inhalt. Bitte mehr von sowas.

Since the current page goes into a bit more detail about Snower's family background, I thought I'd post again a graphic showing Freeza's family tree (DBM Canon), which should clear up some confusion in case anyone has forgotten the details from other specials about Frostdemons and the Hanasia novel.

But of course it makes sense that Snower communicated with the Kaios beforehand, as was hinted at on page 2651. It’s a truly brilliant idea to frame the backstory for the North Kaios’ precious car as a kind of bribe.

One thing that has always bothered me in Dragon Ball is the implication that Uranai Baba is supposedly the only entity in the universe who represents a concrete connection between the Mortal Realm and the Other World. And, of all people, she’s Master Roshi’s sister (how convenient). It would be perfectly logical to assume that there are a large number of witches in the universe who can establish contact with Enma Daio. To be honest, I found it incredibly biased that, yet again, an ally of the Z-Fighters possesses such an enormously helpful ability. But if there were enough witches in the universe who possessed such an ability, then I think it’s more than plausible that a calculating galactic emperor would somehow learn of such a witch and recruit her. Snower used the Duke as a sort of spy to ultimately find out where Bojack was hiding. I wholeheartedly welcome the fact that a logically acting antagonist would also exploit the advantages of the Other World for his own benefit.

You have to ask yourself: does it really make sense that, throughout the history of the universe, only Bibidi and the Z Fighters somehow learned of the existence of the Kaio/Kaioshin? Over the course of millions of years? The very fact that there’s a rule allowing deceased warriors to return to the realm of the living for a day suggests that, aside from Goku, Earth, and the witch Baba, there must be other planets, other heroes, and other witches.

And I love how the last panel basically confirms the content of the Hanasia novel here. Haha. Yeah, Snower is one of the few Frostdemons who came to power through skill and manipulation. The Rule of 2 is mentioned verbatim, which in DBM at least explains why the last Frostdemon family clans ultimately had only two children each (or got eliminated by not abiding to the rule). And it also explains why Frostdemons do occupy a privileged position in the universe, so to speak, among the deities. The powerful work together to maintain the status quo they have achieved. Let's rig the 'game' so newcomer cannot reach that same level. That's probably Snower's biggest achievement here. 3 Replie(s)

An incredible twist that I really love. Snower apparently planned this from the very beginning. We can assume that he set this in motion around page 2651. He involves the Kaios so that, as deities, they take on their responsibilities and maintain the balance of the universe.

Snower’s choice of words is also incredibly clever. Essentially, Snower isn’t condemning Bojack’s power, but rather his intention in how he uses it. Snower’s power developed naturally, and he cultivated it over time. That shapes one’s personality. Unlike Bojack, who received his power suddenly, into a vessel filled with a destructive mindset. Bojack destroys; Frostdemons administer. That is why I suspect the Kaios respond to Snower's plea.






When it comes to sealing, regardless of power level, I have to agree with “Cuckoo Bananas Crazy.” In all notable cases of imprisonment, it has always been weaker characters who have tried to trap stronger opponents using a technique or magic.

Master Mutaito, Muten Roshi, and Tenshinhan were clearly weaker than Piccolo Daimao, but they either managed to or nearly succeeded in sealing Piccolo with the Mafuba. Bibidi sealed Buu inside his cocoon millions of years ago, and the wizard was certainly weaker than Buu. The Konatsians, thanks to their magic, sealed the Kaju Hirudegarn, who clearly has at least an SSJ2-tier power level, inside the bodies of Tapion and Minotia, who are most likely not very strong.

So I have to wonder why, of all groups, the powerlevels of the users of a sealing tactic should be relevant in the case of the Bojack Gang, when they aren’t in the other cases.


I think that’s an interesting point. Here’s how I see it. The Frostdemon Empire under Snower might represent stability. Even though it’s led by a family of tyrants, at least the main planet on page 2650 seemed to me like a functioning society. Bojack, on the other hand, seems like a plague of locusts that destroys everything in its path and leaves nothing but scorched earth behind.

Ironically, the Kaios have already intervened in the affairs of mortals once before because of Frostdemons. The Hanasia novel mentions how, many generations ago, Frostdemons multiplied too rapidly and devastated entire planets due to their internecine wars. The Kaio suggested to the Dai Kaio that the species not be completely eliminated, but rather that their spread be curbed. This is why the “Rule of 2” was introduced. Each Frostdemon is to produce only two offspring. And Snower seems to have adhered to this, which is likely why he enjoys the Kaio’s favor.


I see it differently. Weaving together established lore enriches the world-building. If you actively argue the opposite, aren’t you subtly admitting that the problem lies more with the original than with DBM?

As for the Kaio's teleportation. I agree, that does seem strange. However, I have to ask myself: How did Goku actually get back to Earth after training with King Kai? He took the Snake Way back to the Check-in Station at Enma Daio, and there Kami basically picked him up, and they both “teleported” to the Lookout. How exactly? Is it ever explained? If not, there’s a possibility that every Guardian of a planet has a connection to Enma Daio. What if you could travel from Enma Daio to any place in the universe, provided the Guardian of that planet was present? What if the four Kaios met at Enma Daio and, from there, traveled to the planet Jayna with the help of that planet’s Kami? 1 Replie(s)

Auf diesen Moment habe ich lange gewartet. Der Zeitpunkt, in dem die Bojack Gang versiegelt wird. Ich mag die Tatsache, dass Snower es quasi in die Wege geleitet hat. Wie genau das passiert ist, werden wir wahrscheinlich später erfahren. Allerdings passt es gut zu seinem Charakter aus den Hanasia-Novel.

Das Problem, das DBM angehen muss, ist, warum die Kaios diese Versiegelungstechnik bei Bojacks Crew anwenden, aber bei niemand anderem. Ein Problem, das DBM von Dragon Ball geerbt hat. Denn der Bojack-Film erklärt nicht wirklich, warum Meister Kaio sich in die Hose gemacht hat, als Goku erwähnte, dass er auf dem Planeten Namek gegen Freezer kämpfen wolle. Obwohl er die Bojack-Gang aus erster Hand miterlebt hat, eine Gruppe, die sich als stärker als Frieza erwiesen hat. 1 Replie(s)

Physalis' Reaktion im Jenseits:



Er glaubt er ist Messi. Auf dem Feld bewegt er sich kaum und wenn, dann nur in den Momenten, wenn er brilliert. 😂

Er mag den Geschmack von Schokolade nicht. Ein Bösewicht durch und durch. haha.

Ich glaube ich erkenne einige Referenz Szenen aus dem Dragonball Manga. Ich müsste die einzelnen Panels mit dem Original vergleichen. Definitiv aufregend gestaltet auf den letzten Seiten.

Die Kampfchoreographie ist unglaublich gut und die Präsentation fängt es perfekt ein.

Das frage ich mich auch. Ich vermute, nach dem Tod seiner Frau, wendet er sich immer weiter seiner Rolle als Champion, so sehr, bis ihm das Rampenlicht zu Kopf steigt.

Ja. Nachdem Cell seine perfekte Form erreicht hat, kämpfen Vegeta und Cell gegeneinander. Während des Kampfes wendet Vegeta genau denselben Tritt an, wie er hier gezeigt wird. Das ist eindeutig als Anspielung gedacht und spiegelt in gewisser Weise eine bestimmte Ironie wider. Da dieser Tritt hier gegen Cooler einwandfrei funktioniert, wendet Vegeta denselben Tritt später gegen Cell an, was jedoch völlig fehlschlägt. 1 Replie(s)

Einfach majestätisch. Was für ein Genuss, das alles in Farbe zu sehen. Ein großes Dankeschön an das Kolorierungsteam. 1 Replie(s)

Ok, das ist interessant. Darauf sollte sich der Comic weiter konzentrieren.

Bulma's Mutter als junge Dame. Sie sieht hübsch aus, wie immer. Haha

Chilled wird wie die Ausgeburt der Hölle behandelt, aber mit dem Mörder seiner Frau will er immernoch lieber weiter diskutieren, als zur Strecke zu bringen. Yamoshi hat mal interessante Prioritäten.

Wie prätentiös sich selbst einen Gott zu nennen. Yamoshi, Bro, bleib auf den Boden der Tatsachen.

Aber wenn Saiyajins auch nach dem Erreichen des Super-Saiyajins noch Zenkai-Boosts erhalten können, warum haben sie dann während des Android-Arcs bzw. Cell-Arcs keine bekommen? Warum haben sie den Zenkai nicht in einer Endlosschleife ausgenutzt? Vergleichbar mit Krillin, der Vegeta mit einer Ki-Attacke niederschlug, während Dende ihn direkt danach wieder heilte. 1 Replie(s)

37 mal. Alle Fotos insgesamt oder an einem Tag? haha

Bell, vergiss die Kommandantin. Sie ist es nicht wert.
Er hat also ein ganzes Jahr überlebt, und somit länger als all seine Vorgänger. Es liegt eine leise Melancholie darin.

Zurück zu den Grundlagen.

Endlich! Ich wollte diese Seite schon immer mal in Farbe sehen. Freezer in der 5th-Form sieht wirklich gut aus. So ähnlich habe ich ihn mir eigentlich vorgestellt. Was wäre, wenn Freezer, genau wie sein Bruder, eine zusätzliche Transformation hätte. Und hier ist sie. Das ist definitiv viel innovativer, als ihn einfach nur goldfarben anzumalen.

Das hat diese Seite wirklich enorm viel Hype generiert. Ich wollte schon immer wissen, wie Freezer's 5.Form aussehen würde. Ähnlich wie sein Bruder, aber doch etwas anders. Und die Farben, dieses Detail wie Freezer und Cooler leicht abweichende Aura-Farben haben.

Jeder Varga hat andere Farben, haha. Alles so bunt.

Wirklich nett mal alle drei Frosdämonen gemeinsam in ihren Base Formen zu sehen. So kann man sehr gut die Farben vergleichen.
Ich kann mich auch noch erinnern, damals wurde Cold in seiner zweiten Reduktionsform gezeichnet, was später eben geändert wurde zu dem, was wir jetzt sehen.

Ich muss zugeben, ich hatte das Filmplakat zu „The Sixth Sense“ zuvor noch nie gesehen. Deshalb wäre mir diese Anspielung von selbst nie aufgefallen. Allerdings möchte ich hier auch meine Anerkennung aussprechen. Es ist eine brillante Idee, gerade diesen Film als Cover für den Turnierkampf zu verwenden. Am Ende ist es Vegeta, der stirbt. Er steht seinem eigenen Geist aus einem anderen Universum gegenüber. Und darüber hinaus wird Vegeta ständig mit „Geistern“ konfrontiert.

Ich vergaß, Son Bra bittet Piccolo erneut um die Trainingskleidung.

Interesting points. I would say that users of the Psycho Thread don't necessarily absorb the victims' energy. It's perhaps a bit like barbed wire: the more the victim struggles against it, the more harm they inflict on themselves. 1 Replie(s)

Everyone is more likable than Bojack. Many are so blinded by their hatred for the character Bojack that they refuse to see or even recognize, the meaning behind his role. Bojack is simply a bully who was lucky enough to gain incredible power. He exploits this power just as someone who never deserved it would. That’s exactly what makes watching Bojack so frustrating. It perfectly mirrors the opposite of other characters who worked to gain and cultivate their power. Bojack, accordingly, meets a pitiful death, just as he deserves.


The bead of sweat on his cheek does indeed seem to suggest that Snower is nervous. Perhaps he was counting on Seggui to take out at least a few of Bojack's crew members before he himself is eliminated.


That’s actually interesting to know. There are some details we know for sure. Snower is 1043 years old at the time of this special. Freeza was 192 years old during his battle with Goku on Namek, at least according to the DBM continuity. We also know that Frostdemons become stronger as they age. Additionally, each new generation of Frostdemons has slightly greater potential to be stronger than their parents at the same age.

This very topic was discussed in the commentsection on page 2675. It wouldn’t be too far-fetched to claim that Snower is currently slightly weaker than Perfect Cell, or at least about as strong as a Cell Jr. We’ve at least seen Snower fight Bido. And in the movie, we saw that Bido, together with Zangya and Bujin, was able to keep Post-Cell-Games SSJ1 Son Gohan at bay and corner him.


Now that you mention it, Snower really was a super manipulative guy in the Hanasia novel. He played everyone like a fiddle and got the best outcome for himself. It would be way too naive of Snower if his only trump card were a revenge-seeking Seggui. Snower didn't send Cold away for no reason. There has to be more to it than that. 2 Replie(s)