@Ages of Videl & Gohan

I have to correct my comment. I was wrong. As many have mentioned, at the beginning of the Buu arc, it is explicitly stated that Gohan is 16 years old. This corresponds with the math that some people did in the comment section.


In this special, aka the U7 Cell arc, Gohan is 14 years old and Videl is most likely the same age (give or take a few months). Because this story takes place two years before the Buu arc from DBZ (U18).

Ironically, I have to chuckle a little at the criticism of U7 Videl's overly young and childish design. It just reminds me too much of Pan in the DBM tournament. She also happens to be 14 years old, but her design makes her look much younger and more childish. Now we at least know where Pan got her growth spurt from. “Like mother, like daughter,” right? xD

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Ich schätze, Son Gohan hat schon so lange gegen so viele Cyborgs gekämpft, da reicht ein einziger kräftiger Schlag, um den völlig erschöpften Saiyajin außer Gefecht zu setzen. Zudem hatte er seine Deckung offen, als er nur um Haaresbreite dem Augenlaser auswich.

One thing I think DBM does very well is keep the Saiyan transformation relevant and meaningful.

SSJ2 and SSJ3 aren't handed out like gifts. This isn't DB Heroes where every Saiyan can and has mastered every transformation within 2 minutes. In DBM you have to work really hard for SSJ2. It's a good thing that most of the Saiyans in DBM haven't grown past SSJ1 (in their respective backgroundstory / universe before entering the DBM tournament). It grounds the story. Bardock, Kakarot, Future Trunks, Present Trunks, Son Goten, Pan, they all don't have the SSJ2 at the beginning of DBM, and it makes perfect sense.

In Future Trunks' case, he has defeated Future Android #17, #18, and Imperfect Cell. The Majin threat in the Future Timeline has already been eliminated by Future Gohan in the DBM continuity. That said, Future Trunks knows he's strong enough with post-HTC training from the past-timeline to defeat the biggest threats in the world/universe. He has #16 by his side. And he's always talked about how he wants to rebuild the world. It makes perfect sense, in the midst of building up all the cities, to come up with the idea and overcome the weaknesses of SSJ1 Grade 3. If there's anyone who's pragmatic among the Z-Warriors, it's Future Trunks. He would absolutely come up with such an idea.

You mean to tell me it would be much more logical for Trunks to train 18 hours a day, every day of the week, non-stop, just to achieve the same transformation as Gohan in the fight against Cell. And what, he's supposed to talk down to people who ask him to use his superhuman strength to transport building materials for the construction of entire cities? Of course Future Trunks would use his energy to rebuild the cities, not train non-stop. That's what Future Trunks is all about. If you can't imagine Trunks choosing to skip (non-stop) training in order to help his fellow humans, then congratulations, you've written Vegeta with a sword instead.

Then there's the criticism that Future Trunks doesn't play an important role in DBM. Well, what can I say, but that's the way of things. There's always been a cast of main characters and a larger cast of supporting characters who are just for commentaries and unimportant stuff. In OG DB it was Launch, Puar, Oolong, etc. In DBZ it was Tien, Yamcha, etc. And whether you like it or not, in DBM it's people under the SSJ2 power level tier. Including Future Trunks. His most important role was the Cell saga in DBZ. People have to come to terms with the fact that a bigger role isn't in the cards for him anymore, and any attempt to force that... well ... seems a lot more like fanfiction than what DBM is doing. DBM Future Trunks is well written. He's aware of his roles as a side character.

Page 210 shows us that Trunks is far too overpowered for his own universe. And the U12 Specials CH91 & CH92 prove that Trunks has not considered the danger that could lurk in the space beyond his own universe, the multiverse. With the events from DBM, Future Trunks now has the incentive to do more than just stay in shape to have enough time to rebuild the world, but instead to become stronger so he can defeat any threat beyond his imagination. 1 Replie(s)

Poor Gohan.
I have no problem with Videl's hair. I've seen twin tails more and more often in fan art featuring Videl. Maybe that motivated Bunga.

I was about to write a long text explaining why the Bojack crew is a good example of good teamwork among villains, until I read your full comment saying that you meant the manga.


The U7 Cell Arc begins on page 2416. This story takes place in Age 772, two years before the Buu Arc in DBZ, when Videl and Gohan were 18 years old. In this arc in U7, Videl is 16 years old.

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Ganz ehrlich, ich fand diese Art von Witzen in Anime/Manga immer etwas hart mitanzusehen. Einfach nicht mein Ding.

Im Ultra-Saiyajin sieht das Schwert von Future Trunks so mickrig aus. Die Farben geben den Explosion richtig viel Power.

I agree. The previous chapter showed that Gast traveled the universe with Thorn, but it did not give the impression that Gast was training continuously. Frost demons are generally considered to be the strongest beings in the universe. Only people who are aware of the existence of the Kaioshins and monsters like Buu know better. And when Gast defeated Freeza, Cooler, and Cold, an outsider might assume that there are no beings in the universe that could threaten Gast. This battle with Cell may actually be the turning point for Gast to resume his training and increase his strength up to the level of a SSJ3-Powerlevel Tier.

Ich muss Bunga Anerkennung zollen. Wenn wir in diesem Special keine Rückblende sehen, in der Cell die Cyborgs in seiner 'Imperfect' oder 'Semi-Perfect' Form absorbiert, würde das bedeuten, dass Bunga tatsächlich alle drei Formen für U7 Cell entworfen hat, ohne dass wir zwei davon in diesem Kapitel zu sehen bekommen. Für so viel Mühe, muss ich meinen Hut ziehen.

You said it yourself, it's common in media in general, but not in Dragon Ball. I mentioned it during the scene with Future Trunks vs. Vegeta because, compared to other scenes in both DBM and DBS that have similarities, it's far too specific to be pure coincidence.

Why isn't this tactic used by Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, etc. in DBS? No, only by Future Trunks. Against whom, a villain? No, Present Time Vegeta, of all people. When is it used? In a training match, in which Vegeta openly admits to holding back extremely so that Future Trunks has a chance to prove himself. And so on and so forth. One coincidence after another. Would you feel better if I used the word “inspire”?


@Regarding the topic of “inspiration.”
DB AF, created by Toyble aka Toyotaro, has some interesting plots. These include...

— Forgotten (Saiyan) ritual, which is to be performed with a certain number of Saiyans, serves as a solution to defeat the arc-antagonist, but exactly one person is missing at the beginning to fulfill the ritual.
— Evil Kaioshin & evil Goku rip-off attacking Earth.
— Broly reapearing and becoming canon in the story.
— A Frostdemon attacking Earth, killing someone dear to Gohan but Goku at first missing.
— Son Goten becoming a super hero while Son Gohan is (officially) retired.
And so on and so forth. All of these sound very familiar, don't they? xD

The topic of inspiration is a completely natural thing and there is no need to be outraged about it. Toriyama himself drew inspiration from Journey to the West (Pilaf Arc), Aliens (Freeza's Xenomorph Transformation), and Terminator (Future Trunks). Just to name a few of the well-known ones.

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Musste irgendwie an Lupin III denken auch wenn es jemand anderes ist.

Das war der Punkt, an dem man tatsächlich die Frage gestellt hat, ob Toei Animation und/oder Toriyama vielleicht doch über DBM bestens Bescheid wissen. Denn ausgerechnet diese Taktik hier aus DBM wendet dann auch Future Trunks im Training gegen Vegeta in Dragonball Super ein. Was für ein Zufall.

It's quite amusing how this tactic of switching between transformations to reap the benefits of both and avoid the disadvantages has been copied at least twice. In DBS and Railgun, it is used in exactly the same way as Future Trunks does here. At least one idea from DBM that was so good that it has been repeated elsewhere. 1 Replie(s)

Ich finde die vielen popkulutrellen Witze echt herrlich. Resident Evil - Star Wars. Und ich freue mich sehr, dass es auch ein Wortspiel auf Deutsch mit Han Solo's Namen gibt, das zur Situation passt.

This is a really good point. I agree.

Also kein Kinderspiel für Gast. Wow. Dafür bin ich dankbar. Nicht nur weil ich Cell-Fan bin, sondern weil es auch in Lore Sinn ergibt, Gast noch nicht so unglaublich stärker als Cell zu machen. 2 Replie(s)

Einer meiner Lieblingskämpfe im DBM Turnier.

Süd und Dabra so Angesicht zu Angesicht. Ich fand das damals schon genial. Endlich auch in Farbe. :)

Erst in Farbe erkenne ich die eher schwache Qualität der Zeichnungen bei den Kaioshins. Gogeta Jr. ist ein genial guter Zeichner, keine Frage. Leider ist das gerade in diesem Panel nicht der Fall.

Schon damals fand ich Panel 3 extrem spannend. Gohan zählt eine Reihe von „Bösewichten“ auf, gegen die die Z-Kämpfer gekämpft haben, und nach einer kurzen Pause fügt er am Ende Vegetto hinzu. Das fand ich zunächst seltsam, aber es scheint ein brillanter kleiner Schachzug von Salagir zu sein, hier anzudeuten, dass Vegetto zu Recht zu dieser Gruppe gehört. Jemand, der möglicherweise ein Bösewicht sein wird. Siehe Bardock-Flashback xD

I never thought I'd see fanart of the U6 Magical Girls. Good work. And the Kakarot photobomb at the end, very funny.

Ich bin ein großer Fan von Bunga's U7 Cell-Arc. Endlich mal Specials, die genug Raum zum entfalten bekommen, indem man 3 ganze Kapitel spendiert und nicht wie üblich alles in ein oder maximal ein Doppelkapitel packt.

Und HoCbo ist sowieso eine Ausnahmekünstlerin. Das erste Uub-Flashback Kapitel zählt für mich persönlich als eines der allerbesten im gesamten Fancomic hier. Und der Zeichenstil hat narürlich sehr viel dazu beigetragen.

Ich bin sehr froh diese beiden Kapitel als nächstes bestaunen zu dürfen.

Hervorragendes Cover. So viele Referenzen. Am liebsten ist mir die Anspielung mit Videl's Punktzahl.

Incredibly awesome cover, adorned with details and references.

Videl's score in the basketball game is especially great. It's literally exactly one point more than the score her father, Mr. Satan, achieved in DBZ at the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai on the punching machine.

Gohan is at a vending machine that aims to be a mixture of Pokemon and Mr. Popo. In the previous chapter, U7 Gohan disguised himself as Captain Chicken, which could be seen as an abstract reference to Pokemon. Mr. Popo could be a hint that he was Gohan's mentor in training him to fight Gero and his androids.

Bulma & Thorn are playing a racing game. A competition to see who is the better scientist? Very amusing how the chapter number is shown right under Thorn's seat.

And Gast is playing a game called Pirate Robot. Amusing putting the number 3 in there, as this is the third chapter in the Cell-Arc of U7. In an abstract way, one could argue that the robot has similarities to U7 Cell in design. lol. Additionally, I keep forgetting how huge Gast actually is. Even sitting down, he is as tall as a (mostly normal) human being.

Wow. I love the drawing style especially on this page. The way Vegetto's SSJ hair and manic facial expressions were drawn, it reminds me of the early SSJ times around Namek Arc - Cell Arc. Very impressive and a bit nostalgic. The facts that Vegetto is so blatantly homicidal is another matter. Still shocking though. Especially when you consider that if South activates the IKL Time Stop ability now, #18 will instantly smash Vegetto's glass statue to pieces the way she rushes at him.

Judging by the look on Gast's face, he knows exactly what XXI wanted. Hard for Gast to sympathize. He has witnessed XXI's true nature first hand and has also received a detailed warning with background knowledge from Old Kaioshin. Everything that happens from now on is essentially partly his fault.

That's rad! South is channeling his inner Goku SSJ-Genkidama moment.

Just as most people suspected. XXI simply steps forward and makes his wish while everyone else is distracted. It's so impressive to see how XXI's plan worked out. Vegetto and Gast actually fell for the distraction. And XXI can make his wish “at his leisure” thanks to the distraction of his allies.

Vegetto showing his sociopathic tendencies once again. Reminds me of when he threatened Brayu on page 1254. We haven't seen the other characters yet, let's see what #18 and Kakarot or South do. 1 Replie(s)

Oh, that's how it's meant. XXI should not ask for permission first, but immediately ask Polunga in Namekian to make a wish before Moori or anyone else can react. Yes, that would be a possibility. However, I suspect XXI's plan was, among other things, to briefly draw the attention of everyone in the arena to his allies. Because at the moment, everyone is really looking at XXI, Moori and Polunga. Every action is immediately noticed by everyone, no matter what it is. If his allies cause chaos for a moment, even if only for a few seconds, a handful of people might stop looking at XXI and be distracted instead.

Why would that be helpful?
Maybe XXI's wish is longer and just saying it takes longer than XXI would like. In addition, it can also take one to two seconds between saying the wish and Polunga carrying it out.

Quick reminder that XXI can speak Namekian.




On the previous page, Moori specifically mentioned that he will translate the wishes in Namekian. If XXI had asked if he could make the wishes himself, I think that would be rather suspicious for the Namkians. And that's exactly what XXI wants to avoid until the last second, until he finally has his wishes. 2 Replie(s)

For those who wonder if XXI can speak Namekian. On page 2461, XXI speaks at least one variation of Namekian to summon his dragon. Maybe it's Old Namekian or something similar.


Page 880 addresses the issue of U19's reason to participate in the DBM tournament. The Heloite home planet of Tregor unfortunately fell victim to an accident involving their 'gray-goo' weapon called Carbonite. Meanwhile, the Heloites are inhabiting a new planet. They certainly want to eliminate the threat posed by their now contaminated home planet with the wish.

For more information, I recommend the mini-comic pages 73 - 75 or the U19 Novel.


Very kind of you to ask for permission. However, I suspect Salagir would give his blessing without further ado. If you want to be sure, it's best to write to him personally. You can find contact details in the "The Authors" section. The easiest way would be to join the official DBM Discord. There you can meet Salagir online and write to him personally.


In DBM:
Multiverse = infinite number of parallel universes.

The point is that all universes behave the same. Unless the divergence was so long ago that things could have developed completely differently.

In U1 we know that the divergence was caused by the Vargas discoveries. The discovery of multiverse travel only 1 year before the tournament could not possibly have caused U1 Porunga to look different than usual. 2 Replie(s)

At least he could have warned Gohan. Either shout to him or teleport to him immediately. Interrupt Buu's monologue and make sure Gohan knows what's going on. I can understand that Son Gohan is confused after the terrible beating. But the fact that Goku foolishly asks what Buu means by "plan ahead", literally on the same day after watching Buu absorb Gotenks via a crystal ball, makes you wonder if Goku isn't the infallible, best and most perfect fighter of all time after all.

He used an IT & Kienzan combo in base form to cut Buu in half and prevent a doomsday scenario for a moment. And even though he already knows Buu's tactic of sneakily absorbing someone, suddenly the second time he just stands there and literally watches his son get absorbed in front of him. All of a sudden he can't think of a perfect tactic on the spot to save his son from being absorbed. Even though he saved him just a minute ago.

Now that you mention Vegetto's Barrier, you're right. It took until the third scenario to come up with an adequate counter to an unfair/OP tactic. What if this was the same thing with IKL's Time Stop ability? That would be surprisingly more consistent, and more aligned with DBZ Goku, than you'd think.

Let's be honest. The problem isn't that it's ooc for Goku if he hasn't developed a counter for a technique/tactic he's already seen on the same day. The problem for people is that it happened in the finale and Goku literally died. Unfortunately, too many people assumed the finals of the tournament would be epic. And unfortunately too many people also forget that even the heroes (U18) don't have universal plot armor and aren't immune to unexpected deaths.

Many wonder why Goku doesn't immediately have a perfect counter for the IKL Time Stop ability. This is due to the misperception of Goku as the infallible martial arts master. He makes mistakes with or without knowing what abilities his opponents have.

Reminder. Buu-Arc. Son Goku watched Super Buu sneakily absorb Gotenks via Ro Kaioshin's crystal ball. Just when Buu was desperate and backed into a corner.

Nevertheless, Goku was completely taken aback or rather surprised when Buu does this to Gohan. Goku should have known that Buu is too dangerous to be arrogant and feel confident of victory with him.



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Is that all we get to see of the (last) great meal? What a contrast. Last time we had half a chapter on how the Saiyans are supposed to prepare their own food and now a single panel. Oh well, I'm happy as long as you get to see Videl.

Goku doesn't hold grudges, that was clear. And the U1 Dragonballs are stored somewhere in another universe, of course, yet how they're stored, weird. A clumsy Varga, throwing and mixing them all up like dominoes. It's a wonder it didn't happen.

Oh some people are really starting to dislike Bruce & Zarya? Oh, in that case, you should definitely not watch Asura's Twitch streams. He likes the duo quite a bit.


And with regard to XXI, objectively speaking, he did nothing for a long time. All his time during the tournament was spent in his apartment. He only comes out for his fights and finishes them as quickly as possible without showing much interest. It's hard to imagine that XXI could be considered a real threat to the multiverse before the semi-final match against Gast.




I think only for distraction. Maybe they all have immunity to magic now, and thus to XXI's version of the time stop ability. Who knows if that will do anything once someone stops time.


Well, Etchecoin is lazy. He already refused to cook for everyone at the last meal break (Page 1972)


That is interesting. From a purely technical point of view, Gast is looking to the right of him at the moment of his statement. Opposite him must be the U17 area.

Either Gast means exactly the three universes and is looking in their direction. Or he is looking towards the mysterious universe, which is also in that direction. U9, U10, U11 and U15 are already empty. This means that it must be either U12 or U16. So, Vegetto or Son Bra might be acting a bit suspicious from Gast's point of view. That would be a possibility.


You mentioned it. We already know about Vegetto's stance on this. Maybe that was a hint that Vegetto is actually distracted by something else right now that requires more of his attention than commenting on Goku's defeat.


Indeed. I think I can also pinpoint the exact moment at which we obviously realize for the first time that U18 is not the plot driver in DBM. -> Page 282


This reminds me a bit of U13 Vegeta vs Dr. Raichi. We never got a reaction from Vegeta that he was defeated by a Tuffle of all people. The so-called archenemies of the Saiyans (until Freeza showed up). 1 Replie(s)

A brief heads-up on rule #13 for all users. It seems we have some mind readers in the comments section again. Let's please stick to our own opinions. We don't know what other people think unless it's communicated publicly.


People grumble why content for (approx)10 pages wasn't squeezed into a single page.
Don't expect a complete chapter when we have Publish-Day on DBM. It's always only one page.


Self designated tournament police. I think that's how the DB Canon police see themselves, telling people what is and isn't allowed in a fanfic. xD 3 Replie(s)

I would seriously advise against it. If you don't like something and you assume that it will be continued, you shouldn't keep putting up with it.


Unfortunately, I can't leave it at that. DBM (U18) Goku shows his ingenuity in battle. But unfortunately XXI has got to land another OHK at Goku's expense.




In a way, I have to agree. In general, I think DBM's point is what-if fights. These can take place in the tournament, in the interruptions/off arena, or in specials.

However, if you really want to take one of the very first foundation points that DBM has been building up to for the longest time and actually wanted to deliver a satisfying result, it's the rivalry between Goku and Vegeta. It's been referred to again and again since page 16. Until it peaked on page 2273.

The question of who wins the tournament per se was never made so relevant in a direct comparison.


Don't worry. In the future, this comic will exist much longer in its finished state, as an ongoing story. Newcomers will be able to get through it within a weekend and hopefully won't be forced to wait over a decade for the continuation. 1 Replie(s)

Thank you for your feedback. Many people are already writing to Salagir about this. The subject could definitely be fine-tuned.


That really is a solid approach. Unfortunately, there are 2 points I really have to pick on.
NSSJ does not generate an aura. And nobody knows XXI has the IKL time stop ability. All a hidden trump card. For your idea to be successfully applicable, you'd have to reveal the twist on the ability ‘before’ the fight.


That is a fair point. However, DBM is a fan manga, which belongs to the broader term of fan fiction. These are often peppered with original characters. So much so that people assume from the start that every fanfic has OCs. You might as well expect DBM to introduce new original ones, or expand on the ones that were introduced at the beginning.

Reasonable arguments here.
I understand you better now. And I realize that just because I view something doesn't mean that others are of the same opinion or have even considered the topic itself.

However, I would like to make one thing clear. I've never been a fan of IKL and his ability. He shouldn't have been made relevant after all these years. 1 Replie(s)

Die Varga sind als Kollektiv eine ideale Comic-Reliefe Komponente in DBM. Leider wird hier dafür Goku's Niederlage bzw. Tod nicht mit der entsprechenden Relevanz gewürdigt, die man einem ehemaligen Hauptcharakter aus DB/Z entgegenbringen würde.

Ich mag Bruce und Zarya. Aber ich muss selbst zugeben. Die kommen extrem häufig vor, in Betracht zu DBM Arena Zuschauer.

The 24-hour return from the afterlife was interpreted as a privilege. If I remember correctly. That would mean taking advantage of this concept to interfere in events of the living should not really be allowed. In DBZ, Goku was given permission so he could participate in a fun tournament with his family and friends. Which later got out of hand, but after Goku already received the permit. Vegeta was given permission so that he could defeat Buu because the universe was in danger.

I think if Goku was given his 24 hours during the Saiyan attack, that would be a blatant violation of Enma Daio's principles. The universe isn't in danger, just a planet. Why would deities from the afterlife explicitly interfere on behalf of one planet? I think taking advantage of the one day to train with old friends is more acceptable, since you're not directly interfering in a specific event. Just a short term event. 4 Replie(s)

Mir gefällt die Darstellung der Aura in diesem Kampf. Als würde der Zeiger an einem medizinischen Gerät ausschlagen.

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Yes, definitely. I'm still astonished that some user think that insulting other people is absolutely legitimate criticism.

Yes, that's right. It was hinted at on page 983 when U16 Pan said that she didn't remember anything when she was dead. Which indirectly confirms that there is no Other World in U0, a universe completely devoid of life.

If you look at the last page, Bruce certainly expresses the feelings of a lot of people here, lol.

Interesting that it's explicitly mentioned that they speak Namekian to Porunga. Must be the about the joke with Etchecoin. But he also didn't do his job at the last dinner and instead asked the Saiyans to prepare their own meals. 1 Replie(s)

Ich weiß nicht wie man es ausdrücken sollte, aber ich fand den Kampf damals uninteressant. Ich glaube selbst Salagir hat das erahnt und hat den Kampf für Backstory-Bestätigung ausgenutzt und Lore-Erweiterung im Bezug auf Buu betrieben.

I don't know why you sometimes twist my words. I meant DB OCs. In no way did I imply that I want to see characters from Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, etc.
Vargas, for example, are Dragonball OCs. And I would argue they fit perfectly into the DB universe. It's like mixing Penguin Village and Pilaf Gang with the Budokai announcer. Very funny. And like before, stop pretending you know what other people think. You speak for yourself not others. Stop making up masses of people to give your argument weight.

You're talking about particular readers. Wouldn't it mean that after about 2500+ pages, that's exactly what this audience actually wants? Because what reason would anyone have to keep reading for so long? Sunk-cost fallacy?


I wish that was the majority of critical comments. Then everything would be fine.


I like the idea that XXI's Smoke isn't actually permanent, and it can put the special attributes such as tarnishing other matter at a huge disadvantage, which is why XXI doesn't want to activate it if he can avoid it.

That is a legitimate point. If we have to wait for future events to make the past ones more meaningful and entertaining, then that's a weak point of the series.

It is possible that we will learn XXI's entire background via Special Chapter and not in the main story. It is confirmed that a U5 Special has been in development for some time.

You raise some interesting points. But unfortunately you didn't answer my question at the end. In the initial position of the finale, how would Goku win a fight with XXI? I think over the last few days the goalpost has been lowered from an even and epic final fight to just Goku not wasting time talking. Because the way XXI and Goku were conceptualized as characters, they are probably the most unmatched battle you can think of. You can't create a final-worthy tournament fight in the typical DB style without rewriting XXI in a fundamental way. 3 Replie(s)

Oh wow. Panel 6 ist wirklich sehr beeindruckend in Farbe. Hut ab!

Rule #5: Stop writing comments with words in full uppercase. Rule #9: No douple posts. To all new users. Read the rules before you start commenting!

And to the long-time users. Please follow rule #12 and #13, you know the saying. It's not what you say, but how you say it.


This is all speculation, it may indeed be the case, XXI is just super cautious and underestimates his own abilities. He basically gave Gast no room to breathe and generally dominated him. Still, he personally assumes it was very close and risky. There must be something behind XXI's persona that we don't know about yet.


No. During the time stop, everyone who is not immune is as fragile as a glass statue. Knock it over and it shatters. Just like when Trunks knocked over Piccolo's stone statue and almost killed the Namekian if he hadn't been able to regenerate. See page 2312, #17 breaks off a piece of U13 Vegeta's hair just like that.


I agree. DBM is one of the few places in the DB fandom where people pay attention to other areas outside of Powerlevel. I especially like the rock-paper-scissors principle, which seems to be getting more and more structure.

Magic beats Powerlevel (e.g. XXI vs Vegetto)
Powerlevel beats Science (e.g. Son Bra vs Eleim)
Science beats Magic (e.g. Phipsil vs Dabura)


Powerlevel ≠ Magic/Special Ability. During the time stop, the power levels of all people who have been affected are set to exactly zero.


Really? Pitch me Goku's victory over the smoke monster XXI, which will literally consume you alive if you touch it.


No. Page 2440
It is assumed that users of the Time Stop ability are immune to it, regardless of whether someone else activates it or whether they are cyborgs/androids or not.
Considering how people reacted to page 1695 or page 1725, it's understandable to leave this out unless the theme is absolute sadism. Some people take offense when the good guys don't have Plot Armor and can die just like everyone else.


What are you getting at? That Salagir should now be forced to do exactly what fans want him to do?

That's no disrespect to Goku. It's part of Goku's character. An example as a reminder. Buu-Arc. Goku throws the potara to Mystic Gohan so they can fuse. Unfortunately, Gohan doesn't catch the earring, and Goku gets ready to stall for time against Buutenks in SSJ3 until Gohan finds the earring and puts it on. Suddenly, the fusion of the children (Goten and Trunks) dissolves inside Buu. Gohan is therefore able to defeat Buuccolo without Goku having to fuse with him.
What does Goku do at this moment? Is he being incredibly cautious and mindful of Buu? In this moment of the arc, Goku is absolutely aware of how dangerous Buu can be. And how he uses sneaky tricks to absorb Gotenks, for example. Goku begins a monologue about what just happened and mocks Buu, saying how disappointed Goku is now that it will be easy to defeat Buu from now on. And what happens next? Buu absorbs Gohan in front of Goku's eyes during the monologue. So, how much does Goku's situation with XXI break his character?

Speaking of breaking the laws of nature.
Goku has learned a technique so OP that Toriyama literally had to act as if it was almost never helpful in a fight. Instant Transmission. IT + Kamehameha in a fight against Cell. This was so amazingly logical and effective at defeating an opponent that you had to retcon Cell's Nucleus so the arc wouldn't end immediately. Something like IKL's time stop isn't that outlandish in the Dragonball world. You just have to be careful how you write the plot around it. And if you are still tenaciously against it. How do you feel about IT and its overpowered nature?


I respect your views. And I agree with your statement. Creators follow their vision, not the crowd. Good phrase.


I understand where you're coming from and I respect your opinion. However, I have to disagree. I've always been a fan of it in DB fanfiction when the focus has been on OCs, or at least they take an incredibly important role. The absolute majority in DBM are silent readers who never or almost never comment. You have no way of knowing if there aren't enough people who actually want exactly what DBM typically does. People can only speak for themselves at the end of the day, not for others.

You make it seem like there's a rule book that all DB fanfic creators have to follow. A law of sorts. Be a Toriyama 2.0, so much so that people can't even recognize that it wasn't created by Toriyama himself, otherwise you'll go to fandom prison. xD


Yes, my comment. And I was right. We should never have expected a fight like Goku vs Vegeta. XXI did what he's always done. Would I have structured the fight differently? Absolutely.


You're missing the point. The fact that XXI wins his battles so quickly, effectively and unsatisfactorily is the whole point. If viewers are still 'shocked' by the fourth time, then it's more because they don't like the concept. But it remains a legitimate concept, and I would recommend the DBM team continue to follow their vision instead of satisfying people who don't want to see the original idea anyway. 3 Replie(s)

Das ist ein wirklich interessanter Gedanke. Ich vermute allerdings, bei Fake-Anju handelt es sich nicht um ein Teil von Buu, sondern um eine Kreation von Buu. Ähnlich als würde Buu ein Stück Stein in Süßigkeiten verwandeln. Klar, darüber kann man diskutieren.


Ich stimme dir zu. XXI will bestimmt seine Trumpfkarten solange wie möglich geheim halten, wenn möglich.

XXI ist in der Tat erst unmittelbar vor Kampfbeginn gegen Gast auf die Idee gekommen, IKL's Zeitstopp Fähigkeit selber zu nutzen (Page 2383). Unmöglich den Kampf hinauszuzögern, um wieder in sein Apartment zu gehen und dort vieleicht Stunden zu warten bis die Dragonballs für seinen Drachen wieder aktiviert sind, um ihn die IKL Fähigkeit zu geben. Das hätten die Kaioshin und Varga bestimmt nicht erlaubt. Vorallem, weil XXI in dem Moment bereits im Ring stand und Gast ihm gegenüber. Nur Uuv musste den Rign verlassen damit der Kampf beginnen kann.

Asura hat sich mit Shokaki einen grandiosen Charakter ausgedacht. Sie hat ein besonderes Design. Die Haare, der Haarstil, die Farbe, etc. Generell bekannte Merkmale. Allerdings fügen die Brandnarben und ihr Beruf einen unglaublichen Aspekt hinzu. Eine Feuerwehrfrau. Das ist neu für Dragonball. Und ergibt vollkommen Sinn. Future Trunks ist bekannt dafür sich für die Unschuldigen und die Schwachen einzusetzen. Das ist genau die Charaktereigenschaft, die Shokaki hat. Asura hat bestätigt im Twitch Stream, als er Shokaki gezeichnet hat, dass sie ihre Narben in einen Brand erlitt, als die Cyborgs Gebäude zerstörten. Selbstaufopfernd in Gefahr begeben, um andere zu retten. Das ist jemand, der perfekt zu Future Trunks passt.

Mit Shokaki hat U12 Trunks nun endlich auch mehr Aufmerksamkeit in DBM. Leider wurde Future Trunks im gesamten Verlauf von Multiverse immer weiter in den Hintergrund gedrückt. Mit Ausnahme von seinen Turnierkämpfen zu Beginn des Turniers, hat Trunks nicht viel geleistet. Lediglich hin und wieder etwas kommentieren. Mit Shokaki hat man ein Paar entwickelt, die nur durch DBM existiert. Ich bin ein absoluter Fan von Asura's Shokaki. Er hat ein Händchen für OCs.

Rule #5: Stop writing comments with words in full uppercase. Last warning!

I'm not trying to put DB characters on a pedestal. That's the worst thing you can do as a fan in my opinion.

I like the idea that DBM is more than just the tournament. Interruptions and Specials. More what-if Fights. Some that would not be possible in a tournament setting. 1 Replie(s)

Ok. An official warning. Insulting people is not criticism. If you can't express your criticism without throwing insults around, then you shouldn't be commenting at all. Otherwise the comments will be deleted. It's as simple as that.

Rule #5: Stop writing comments with words in full uppercase.



DBM is not just the tournament. DBM is also the specials. DBM is also the interruptions. DBM is mainly about what-if fights.


If you put characters from DB on a pedestal (Goku for example), you're limiting yourself on what you can do. There's a specific reason why DBM gave magic such a damn high priority. It just doesn't follow the usual prescribed law of how a DB fan has to write a fanfic.


So the comment section right now just reminds me way too much of the ZenBuu vs XXI pages.


Absolutely. XXI has this certain stoic way that he shows absolutely no obvious interest in his opponents. So much so that he sometimes lets them lose without comment in the most embarrassing way.
Vegetto, just teleport away. #18, just turn her off. ZenBuu, just seal him. Goku, just kill him in one hit. Even though Gast's fight was longer, XXI completely disrespected him too. Especially since he didn't move a bit throughout Janemba's fight with Gast, but also wanted to eat the Namekian alive while he was screaming for his life.


It's a mixed bag, to be honest. A whole lot of DB fans actually like exactly that about DB. No foreshadowing, no buildup, no Checkov's Gun. Just out of nowhere a person can do something or has a piece of information that is helpful at that exact moment. Only occasionally, but more often than you might think.


Do you really think so? If we reversed the roles, we'd end up with Goku screaming for his life like a b***h and giving up the tournament fight miserably. He'd be so badly disfigured by the smoke that he'd look like a third-degree burn victim and have to be healed by a generic Namekian.
Wrapping up Goku's defeat as quickly as possible sounds a little better I think.


So there is a theory that users of the IKL-Time-Stop are also immune to this ability themselves, even if they are not cyborgs/androids themselves. There is a possibility that South is actually immune to it when someone else activates the ability.


That is absolutely correct. That is, no matter who the creator of XXI's dragon is, they must definitely have a greater power than IKL, but logically weaker than ZenBuu. Since the dragon could not give XXI the “Dark World Lightning” ability of ZenBuu (page 2039 - page 2110).


IKL and his ability was only introduced between the semi-final fight Goku vs Vegeta and XXI vs Gast. XXI couldn't possibly ask for something he didn't know about from his dragon beforehand. And it was too late for his fight against Gast. The tournament fight was already announced when XXI finally had the idea to use the Time Stop ability himself (page 2383). And later, XXI desperately waited until his Dragonballs were active again to wish for the IKL ability (page 2461). XXI was literally lucky that there was an extended break with the award ceremony, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten the ability in time for the announcement of the final tournament battle (page 2447).


You refer to page 2461? Is that really Namekian, or Old-Namekian language or something?


But newly introduced characters are usually the focus of new arcs. In an abstract way, every new character in a new arc would be an OC. For example. Pilaf arc has established the first characters. This means that later Red Ribbon are all OC. And later Tien and Piccolo, etc. Let's look at Future Trunks not from the perspective of a DB fan, but someone who only knows DB up to the Freeza Arc, and then is suddenly confronted with Future Trunks. You would instinctively roll your eyes. Why of all things the newly introduced character (in an abstract way an OC to previous established story with all the characters) is an SSJ1, and defeats Freeza. Makes everyone (except Goku) look old.

DBM is a new arc after EoZ in an abstract way. Strictly speaking, when a fanfic introduces OCs, I actually expect them to be relevant. We don't need something like the Magical Girls from U6. 3 Replie(s)

@Lea
Dragonball Super is absolutely prohibited here in the comments section. At first the moderation team wanted to be accommodating, but unfortunately that was completely taken advantage of by people who only wanted to talk about DBS all the time.
It's off-topic. And comments about DBS will be deleted regardless, even if it's mostly about DBM. 1 Replie(s)

Ironisch wie C16 über den Tod von Goku berichtet.



Ich vermute mal, XXI möchte unbedingt die Dragonballs von U1. Dieses Universum scheint das einzige im gesamten Multiversum zu sein, welches interdimensionale Reisen ermöglicht (wenn man Zeitreisen ignoriert). Und wie auf Page 2061 erklärt, kann nur ein Wesen aus U1 die Technologie der U1 Varga bedienen. Vielleicht möchte XXI genau das.


Nicht vergessen. Wenn man von IKL's Zeitstopp Fähigkeit beeinflusst wurde, ist man quasi eine Glas-Statue. Jeder kann dich einfach wie Porzellan umhauen und in Stücke zersplittern lassen. Siehe Page 2312, wo C17 einfach ein Stück von U13 Vegeta's Haar abbricht.


Das ist tatsächlich beängstigend. Wenn lediglich die Zeitstopp-Anwender und Cyborgs/Roboter gegen diese Fähigkeit immun sind, gibt es nur eine Handvoll Personen im Moment. XXI, South, C18, C17 und C16 (+ ein paar Zuschauer). Objektiv gesehen liegt alles an South die richtige Entscheidung zu treffen. Klingt nicht vielversprechend.

The final probably had the worst matchup imaginable (in all canon DB or all DB fanfiction).

What makes Goku so special?
Fairness, Love for the Challenge, Respect for Opponents, Growth Through Combat, Mercy, etc.

Goku fights with full effort but ensures the contest remains a true test of skill. He’d rather lose fairly than win through deceit, and he’s quick to acknowledge an opponent’s strength, often smiling or praising them mid-fight. His Saiyan drive makes him relentless in seeking stronger foes, but his moral compass keeps him grounded in sportsmanship.

This is the complete opposite of XXI. To make something different out of the finale. An 'epic' fight as we know it from other tournament finals would have to break the character of either Goku or XXI in a fundamental way.


We already know that XXI is well aware of what goes on outside his U5 apartment. Whether he uses magic or a special ability or the like, we don't know exactly (page 1516). Even if he was also affected by the time-stop technique during the events of IKL, he may have heard Yamcha's explanation after it was all over (page 2380). And if that is not the case either. At the very latest, when Uuv mentioned this right before the start of the semi-final match between Gast and XXI, the latter knew about IKL's time-stop technique (page 2383).


@happywarrior99
You have already been told to follow rule #11. In addition, you have been asked to stop spreading misinformation about DBM details.
We don't wish to moderate your posts. You seem to have a lot of passion and interest in DBM. So please take the warnings of the moderation team seriously.


@Kururun
Rule#13. Do not try to second-guess what the authors of DBM have in mind. You don't know.
Besides, I would ask that from now on you discuss in a respectful manner without personal attacks. State your opinion without being derogatory. In the past, other mods have already pointed this out to you.

That is unsatisfying. (I never said, I liked seeing Goku lose)

However, the moment Vegetto lost to XXI, I realized this wasn't a typical Tenkaichi Budokai. And when #18 lost to XXI, my opinion solidified. By the time even ZenBuu was defeated by XXI with just one attack, I was absolutely certain this tournament would end in exactly the same way.



It's ironic that the biggest coward can easily clear all tournament opponents with the help of magic and virtual cheat buffs. XXI is the antithesis of the traditional martial arts tournament. He avoids fighting. I've never seen anything like it in DB.

Goku vs Vegeta is such an incredible contrast to Goku vs XXI.


It kind of feels like Dragonball. Established strong characters lose one after the other to the main antagonist. He seems unstoppable at the moment and the Z-Fighters or Mutliverse-Fighters have to come up with something to finally defeat him in the final showdown. But I have a sneaky feeling that a new transformation won't be the solution this time.


That's right. Don't worry guys, this problem will be fixed soon. It's not part of the plot, like Bardock's Vision or something.

@Kururun, goochskun
Please don't put words in my mouth. I did not claim that the result was good. I merely pointed out the facts. XXI won his battles with the most OHK of all tournament participants. The way DBM conceptualizes its story, it was expected to happen again. I merely mentioned checkov's guns, that is not insulting.


I don't know what to tell you except that DBM is the wrong place for you if you were expecting something like this. 1 Replie(s)

Exactly the same approach when he asked his dragon about #18's weaknesses (Page 993). And how did that end? By XXI defeating her with an OHK (Page 1125). So the statements between XXI and his dragon on page 2462, which amount to the same thing, can be interpreted to mean that XXI discovered a safe OHK for Goku at that moment. Attentive readers would definitely recognize this in future re-reads.

Quick reminder:
XXI vs Vegetto: 2 pages
XXI vs #18: 3 pages
XXI vs Zen Buu: 5 pages

As I said before. If XXI has an OHK, then he uses it. And as we know, as quickly and effectively as possible. 1 Replie(s)

Please stop falling for the sunk cost fallacy. I can't believe people are still doing this after 2500+ pages.

XXI beat Vegetto with an OHK. XXI beat #18 with an OHK. XXI defeated Zen Buu with an OHK. And now Goku too. That was totally expected. Especially if you read carefully. Retroactively, page 2462 indirectly says that XXI has already won. Because he has discovered an OHK that he can use on Goku, and that's what happened in the end. (Gast is the exception, and if XXI was aware of IKL's time stop ability before his semifinal fight would have started, then XXI definitely would have used that on Gast as well.)

In the end, unfortunately, Goku wasn't wearing any of those.
But on the contrary, for once, the same rules are applied to him as to everyone else. This comic has shown time and time again that the heroes, the DBZ fighters in general, even Goku himself, do not get special treatment as was the case in DB/Z. Our heroes can be killed by a Kienzan just as easily as a villain, for example. And after 2500+ pages, that's still an integral part of DBM's take on DB. If you don't see it, then I have to wonder if you don't remember a completely different comic and you just have an ideal wish list that unfortunately doesn't come true.

And don't let the covers fool you anymore. Asura only draws in the covers that he thinks are amusing or epic. That doesn't necessarily mean it's part of the chapter like for example One Piece covers. Do you remember the cover of chapter 86? And the actual content of the chapter? 5 Replie(s)

Dieses Ende war absolut zu erwarten. Man kann enttäuscht sein, aber definitiv nicht überrascht. XXI hat alle seine Kämpfe so gewonnen, sobald er zusätzlich zu den Tipps seines Drachens auch noch einen Zaubertrick in petto hatte. Page 2462 war leider schon indirekt ein Hinweis darauf, dass XXI gewinnen wird.

Rule #1 is still in effect.

People who know better because they've been in the comment sections for years and should logically know the rules don't get the benefit of the doubt.

OK. Let's calm down for now, please.

Ok, some people here get so worked up that it soon gets completely out of hand.

@CompactCoven, Kururun, TheSloppaSituation, JustSaiyan, Gast Greatness, Your nickel, A Saiyan

Try again but this time without getting emotional. 5 Replie(s)

Do you remember when Taopaipai defeated Goku and when Piccolo Daimao defeated Goku? Was the story (arc) over immediately after that? Or did Goku have his rematch?

To me it's absolutely obvious that Goku will later win against XXI when the actual Chaos / Endgame arc begins.

The tournament, believe it or not, was never really the focus. It was about the what-if fights. You can have those outside of the tournament. This falsely believed narrative that the tournament itself should be the big epic and once it's over it should be over immediately, that's why so many are disappointed.


I respect your opinion. However, I have to ask. What would you do? What should Goku have done? Destroy the old wizard's body? Leave the arena to force XXI to follow him? I'm a bit confused, I'm pretty sure it's a familiar trope that the protagonist/hero loses in the arc antagonist's first fight before later emerging triumphant. 7 Replie(s)

4 people confirm on the same page that it is IKL's ability. I really hope that's enough so that some readers don't claim otherwise. The previous page already hinted at it with the certain way Goku's wound looks.

I blame Uuv.
On page 2383, the Varga gave XXI the idea to acquire the time-stopping ability in the first place. Sure, the out-of-universe explanation, is so you have a Checkov's Gun to look back on. Salagir would have bent it in whatever way to give XXI the idea. However, the in-universe explanation is that it's Uuv's fault. lol
On page 2462, XXI then asked his dragon for this very ability, which we weren't supposed to know at that point.

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@PrimeFighter
Your first comment was not deleted on this page. You have just violated rule #1 with your accusation. Which is why your second comment was deleted.


Do you mean Goku in panel 3? It must just be the perspective, which is why you can't see all the fingers.


I have to admit, it's incredibly fascinating that DBM were able to keep this up until the finale. The story is designed to defeat XXI not in the tournament, but afterwards.
The fact that XXI neither behaves as a true villain nor was ever seen as anything more than sketchy by the protagonists allowed the plot to be designed in such a way that any escalation with XXI for better or worse will take place after the tournament. Only in a few places, such as the fight against Gast, do we get to see fragments of his true intentions.


Yes, let's hope so. I have to mention it myselt, that you sometimes state something as a fact in your theories that is not true. You regularly cross the fine line between “just putting forward a theory that would be interesting” and “clearly spreading misinformation”. I would ask you not to spread misinformation in future.


I'm sorry that you went into the fight with different expectations. However, did you really expect something climactic with XXI? That's one of the consistent character portrayals about XXI. That he wants to win his fights as quickly and effectively as possible. No distractions, just straight to the point.

You unfortunately came in with the expectations that the finale with XXI and Goku should be comparable to XXI's semi-final fight with Gast. But XXI was never intending to have a spectacular fight. It was only because he couldn't exploit any obvious weaknesses in the Namekian to take Gast by surprise like he could with Vegetto, or #18 or Zenbuu. When XXI came up with an idea on how to easily defeat Goku, it's pretty logical that it would happen the same way as before. As quickly and effectively as possible.

You just have to accept that DBM has basically applied the My Hero Academia principle here. The finale is not the most important or even the most spectacular fight. And don't worry, we will certainly find out soon enough how XXI and his allies will act later on. If the Bardock visions all happen at some point, then the effects of the recruitment from the flashback chapter will happen too.

And don't forget. The old wizard is not XXI, but merely a shell for the smoke monster, which is actually XXI. ZenBuu immediately destroyed the old wizard's body and XXI still found a way to seal Buu. What should Goku have done? It's perfectly logical (by Dragonball standards) that Goku would try to tempt XXI into dropping information that could help him out. It's not atypical for Goku. Elder Kaioshin has issued a warning about XXI. Still, Goku would give anyone the benefit of the doubt. The way Goku acted in the fights with Vegeta, Freeza, Cell or Buu, this is absolutely fine.

XXI ultimately gave Goku a false sense of security by fooling everyone into thinking he had no new tricks up his sleeve. That's a good tactic.


That is not correct. We saw #16 again at the awards ceremony, on page 2458, and he's fine. 2 Replie(s)

XXI macht das, was XXI immer macht. Einen Turnierkampf so schnell und effektiv wie möglich zu beenden.

Wir DB-Fans gehen meist davon aus, dass der letzte oder finale Kampf eines Turniers immer der spektakulärste Kampf sein muss. Aber unsere Erwartungen wurden untergraben.

Der Halbfinalkampf zwischen Gast und XXI hat uns fast glauben lassen, wir könnten von XXI mehr als ein OHK erwarten.

I knew it, Heartvirus! .... well, explosive heart virus 1 Replie(s)

Also der Tritt in Panel 3 sieht einfach unglaublich befriedigend aus. Die Kampfchoreographie ist bis jetzt wirklich gut.

Dieser Gag hat tatsächlich einen bleibenden Eindruck hinterlassen. Selbst nach einem Jahrzehnt erinnern sich die Leute noch an diesen 2- Seiten langen „Kampf“. Genial. Zusätzlich mit einer Mischung aus Nappas Kommentaren aus DBZ und dem unvermeidlichen Einfluss von TFS Nappa. Man kann hier gewissermaßen den Ursprung von Comic-Relief DBM Nappa beobachten.

Was die Farben angeht. Ich finde, Freezers rote Lippen sehen ein wenig seltsam aus. Außer im letzten Panel, wo es wieder gut aussieht.

Sehr spannend was alles passieren könnte. Es gibt eine Vielzahl von Taktiken, die XXI anwenden könnte.

— Weitere Telportationen in andere uns noch nicht bekannte Dimensionen oder ähnlich wie Babidi wirklich extrem weit weg.
— Gravitationsmanipulation (Statt einfache G, oder 10G, wie wäre es mit 1.000.000x fache der Erdgravitation) vergleichbar mit Eleim vs C16.
— Rauchwolkengefängnis wie bei Gast, aber mit mehr Details zu XXI's Wesen.
— Transformation in etwas außer dem Rauchmonster.
— Beschwören von Figuren, die Goku emotional treffen, nicht im Bezug auf Kampfkraft.
— XXI's Drache taucht höchstpersönlich auf und lenkt alle ab, Goku mit einbezogen, damit XXI den eintscheidenen Schlag ausführen kann.

Aber mein Favorit bisher war schon immer der Gedanke mit dem Herzvirus. Was wäre wenn XXI es schafft Goku mit einer neuen Version des Herzvirus anzustecken, die ihn damals beinahe getötet hat? Schon klar, der Kampf Goku vs C19 ist kein Highlight in Dragonball, aber entscheidend, wenn man bedenkt, wie Goku quasi machtlos gegen den Cyborg am Ende war. Und das lediglich durch eine Krankheit. Ein externer Einfluss, der Goku's Kampfsportgenialität nicht einmal untergräbt.

I love the pure emotion on Goku's face in panel 2, just brilliant.

Still a big fan of the theory that XXI somehow manages to give Goku the heart virus again. That's one thing about DB that was always so intriguingly tragic. The greatest hero and fighter who ultimately fell due to illness, not in battle. Well, in the Future Timeline at least.

Just by the way. I'm aware that I'm the only one who pays attention to such minor things.
However, I find it very amusing how Sei sighs out loud here. It reminds me of how she's a Vegeta fangirl. Because she was super hyped in the Goku vs Vegeta semifinal fight. Sure it was an out-of-universe way of reflecting the reader, but in-universe it means she's very committed to at least one of them. And considering that this isn't the first time she's criticized Goku's rather unspectacular tournament fights here on today's page, it clearly implies that Sei was excited about Vegeta back on page 2163, not Goku.


@Mary Bra
We would very much appreciate it if you would refrain from profane language in the future.

This may be boring and strange for the viewer, but it's a pretty clever tactic. One that XXI should use if he didn't have other aces up his sleeve.


I absolutely agree with you. I think Son Goten is superbly well portrayed in DBM. Many people criticize why he hasn't had SSJ2 for a long time and has been training non-stop just like Goku. But it's precisely Goten's (and Trunks') lack of ambition that makes him so fascinating. It's only during the DBM tournament that Goten realizes he can't rest on his laurels (fusion + SSJ3) and put all the safety of Earth on the shoulders of Goku, Vegeta and Gohan. He realized a scenario may happen where he is left alone to fight. Taking his lessons from these events is much more exciting than if he was already the top dog at the beginning and a Goku clone. DBM Goten actually has character, well, some taken from DBGT, but quite legitimate to differentiate him specifically with Goku, and Gohan. I'm really happy about the character portrayal of some characters and Son Goten is definitely one of them.

War ja so klar, dass Goku auf diesen Trick nicht reinfällt. Allerdings werden sowohl Sei's als auch Goku's Kommentar ... unterbrochen. Es kann sein XXI heckt gerade im Moment etwas aus.

Das sind alles wirklich gute Charaktereigenschaften für alle drei. Sehr originalgetreu wie sie tatsächlich agieren würden in so einer Situation. Ich finde, Yamchu, Bulma und Chichi werden hier hervorragend dargestellt.

Die Sache mit Chilled wurde irgendwie am Ende so schnell gelöst. Yamoshi ließ den König allein, damit er den anderen helfen konnte. Allerdings hat er nur Chilleds Aussage mitbekommen und den Dragonball erhalten. Das war's. Jetzt scheint er zum König zurück zu eilen.
Es scheint so, als wollte man den König schwer verletzt darstellen, ohne dass Yamoshi sich zuerst einmischt.

Die Actionszenen in diesem Manga sind wirklich sehr gut.

Das ist eine kleine Gruppe von Zuschauern in Panel 1. Solche Szenen waren bestimmt ein wenig aufwendig zu kolorieren.

Ich mochte diese Seite schon damals. Sie zeigt indirekt, wie U4 Buu tatsächlich talentierte und besondere Menschen absorbiert hat. Etwas, das man später in einem Spezialkapitel über Universum 4 nicht wirklich braucht, durch solche Seiten wie diese im Hauptcomic.

Eine neue alte Serie, die man auf die To-Do-Liste setzen kann.

Leider verbringt man zu viel Zeit in der englischen Sektion. Gilt für mich jedenfalls.


Ich war schon immer ein großer Fan der Theorie, wonach XXI, wenn er im Turnier auf Goku trifft, von seinem Drachen die Information/Fähigkeit erhält, Goku den Herzvirus wieder durchleben zu lassen. Vergleichbar mit dem Kampf gegen Cyborg 19 damals. Goku wäre also im Finale in einem Nachteil, aber mit einem ähnlichen Handicap hatte Goku bereits im Turnierkampf gegen Freezer zu kämpfen. Dort ist er im mentalen Kampf sehr schnell gealtert.

I really hope Goku says something like Nappa on page 1718 if/when he comes back in time.

There could be many reasons for this. One is that XXI wants to preserve the mystery surrounding his person for as long as possible. To give his potential tournament opponents the impression that he is an opponent to be taken seriously. The repeated use of a special tactic or technique can shatter the illusion that you always have the right tool for the right opponent.

As also mentioned. There would be a risk that #18, like Goku, would try to escape the other dimension on time. Then there's the theory that XXI has a weakness against Androids, as he may not be able to locate them properly due to the lack of Ki signatures. XXI's dragon has also presented him with the opportunity to easily vanquish his opponent. And apparently the remote control is the easiest way from the dragon's point of view (page 993).

And then, of course, the out-of-universe explanation that Salagir visibly avoids repeating stuff unless it's supposed to be part of the plot, of all things.


Fair point. However, it must be mentioned that something like this would be much more broken than what we have now. And at the moment it only mirrors the HTC in Kami's Lookout. It sounds poetic that in the course of DB/Z (DBS excluded) no other dimension than the one from the Lookout was ever introduced. Which makes it seem like there is only this one. Which, conversely, would make sense that there is also only one dimension in the opposite direction of time flow. If we assume that there are only these accessible time dimensions.


Give Goku a false sense of security by pretending to be out of 'new' tricks. That's a good tactic, tbh.

Just as many had speculated for years. If Goku were to actually face XXI in the finals, XXI could actually use the same tactics he used on Vegetto, which means he would just use the time dilation trick on Goku. The catch is, unlike Vegetto, Goku now knows this tactic and will surely escape soon enough. This is a tremendously important detail whether an opponent knows what you can do or not.

Son Goten throws an incredibly good argument here. If XXI is resorting to old tactics here, it may be that he's either out of aces up his sleeve, or this specifically is part of his plan to win the fight. 2 Replie(s)

You have made a great compilation out of it. Kudos to you.


I'll have to save the panel. Perfect for future memes.

Als ich die S/W-Seite vor etwa 13 Jahren las, verwirrte mich das Gespräch der Frostdämonen etwas. Mir war nicht klar, dass es eine Anspielung auf den Namen der Cantina-Band in Star Wars war. Genial.

I can't help but think of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Babel Fish.

Die Sache mit Gero und den Cyborgs ist interessant. Wie wurde das hier in dieser Geschichte gelöst? Ich würde vermuten, dass es den Erzählfluss ein wenig stören würde, wenn eine dritte Partei mit dem Red Ribbon ins Spiel käme. Möglich wäre es, aber ich denke, der Fokus liegt in dieser Arc im Konflikt zwischen Menschen & Saiyajins.

Irgendwie fängt Chilled an, mir ans Herz zu wachsen. Ich mochte sein allgemeines Design aus dem Bardock-Special anfangs nicht besonders, und das hat sehr lange angehalten. Vor allem, weil ich DBMs Version von Chilled in seiner zweiten Form (King Cold Aussehen) so sehr mag. In meinem neuen Headcanon ist es jetzt einfach Chilled's erste Form (Freezer's erster Auftritt in Dragonball), sogar für DBM, lol.

Ich habe oft darüber spekuliert, ob Tapions Kopfschmuck gold- oder bronzefarben ist. Überraschenderweise war es im Film bis zum Schluss nie klar. Das lag wahrscheinlich an den vielen Schatten und Lichtquellen, die einen Kontrast erzeugten. Es freut mich zu sehen, dass es in DBM eindeutig goldfarben ist.

Ah, I See You're a Man of Culture as Well....

Damit habe ich kein Problem. Es wird immer eine Vielzahl von Meinungen geben. Wahrscheinlich gehöre ich diesmal zur Minderheit. Wie ich schon sagte, muss ich mich einfach an die Farben gewöhnen.

Oh nice. I like the Pokemon reference here, whether intentional or not. Just like Team Rocket at the end of every failed attempt to catch Pikachu, haha. 1 Replie(s)

That's absolutely correct, and we've seen XXI then act like an edgy teenager as a result, cursing around for a several pages. He's acknowledged his mistake and is trying his patience again. It's obviously all just a game of patience for XXI, with him only having one slip-up in the entire course of the comic, which he possibly regrets if you interpret page 2449 that way. I'm really curious to see if XXI will ever have a freakout like that again. Probably, but not necessarily the case.


We may have completely different views. And that's fine. We can still continue the discussion. I didn't mean to be offensive, if that's how you took it.


You can see it on the cover of this chapter (page 2506). Goku's hair strands are positioned slightly differently than in Base Form. And the eyes have the iconic SSJ teal colors.


The last time we saw Uub, he was still trapped in the pocket dimension created/opened by ZenBuu. There he runs away from Fake-Anju or rather trains with her to become stronger and improve his magic (Page 2161). We can strongly assume that he is still there.


You claim it only lasted a few seconds in the Goku vs Vegeta tournament fight. But the storyboard didn't mention in any way exactly how long Goku and Vegeta stood still in the ring before they started fighting. We can assume that it took about the same amount of time in both cases. Only here, for the first time, we learn exactly how long in particular.


Simple explanation. If Salagir had made this form accessible in an instant, it would be incredibly boring, imo. This way, it can create more tension. Same principle why (DBM's version of) SSJ3 is much more interesting than SSJ2.


Purely hypotethically speaking, Zarbon could use NSSJ. All his power in his ugly transformation, but in his base form so to speak.

I'd argue any character could achieve this kind of state, which is similar to Gohan's Mystic in some aspects. Even if not every character theoretically has a transformation, every character would have the potential to use a power level enhancing technique, like Kaioken. So the highest possible Kaioken someone can use would be the power level in NSSJ.

That's just my theory though. Because we know so little about Goku's and Vegeta's form that most of it is either speculation, word-of-god comments from Salagir/Asura, and the description on page 2166. 1 Replie(s)

Ein wirklich interessanter Gedanke. Ich muss mich jedoch fragen. Wenn XXI nicht von I'K'Ls Zeitstopp-Fähigkeit beeinflusst wurde, wie hätte I'K'L dann XXI besiegen können? Wir dürfen nicht vergessen. Schließlich war XXI in seiner wahren Form in der Lage, einen kleinen ZenBuu-Kopf auszuschalten und einen erschöpften Gast im Turnierkampf abzuwehren.

Eigentlich könnten alle 3 Möglichkeiten zum Chaos führen (Aus Nea's Umfrage).

Goku gewinnt:
Wie in der Rückblende gezeigt, bereiten sich XXIs Verbündete auf die Ablenkung vor, sobald der Drache für Goku beschworen wird. XXI könnte unterdessen versuchen, so unauffällig wie möglich zu wirken und den Eindruck zu erwecken, dass er keinen Groll hegt, verloren zu haben.

XXI gewinnt:
Porunga wird beschworen und der erste Wunsch wird für U19 ausgesprochen. Als es dann zum eigentlichen Wunsch kommt, wird dieser so formuliert, dass niemand merkt, dass etwas nicht stimmt. Oder das Blatt wendet sich im letzten Moment und XXI macht etwas Unvorhersehbares.

Keiner gewinnt:
Beide sterben während des Kampfes. Oder der Kampf wird aus irgendeinem Grund unterbrochen. Es ist möglich, dass XXIs wahre Absichten während des Kampfes enthüllt werden und das Turnier mitten im Kampf abgebrochen wird oder etwas Ähnliches. Und XXI zwingt seine Verbündeten zum vorzeitigen Handeln.

Das Tolle an diesen 3 Szenarien ist, dass keines so viel abstruser klingt als das andere. Theoretisch könnten sie alle eintreten. Mit anderen Worten, jedes der 3 Szenarien hätte die Chance einzutreten. Das ist es, was ich so unglaublich spannend finde.

Oh, Sei und Susu sind auch zu sehen. Sei klaut gerade Arckou's Ding, wo er immer mit einer Tasse Kaffee/Tee zu sehen ist.

Ja, Nea. Mal eine Frage. Wie oft hatte die Mehrheit in deinen Umfragen recht behalten? Hoffentlich schafft es Goku tatsächlich zu gewinnen.

I already noticed that on the previous page. For some reason you look at the fight between 2 rivals who want to have a respectful fight with each other in the same way as between 2 enemies who want to kill each other at all costs. It's already been said on the previous page that your assessment of the Vegeta vs Goku fight completely misses the point DBM was trying to convey. Please stop acting like Goku and Vegeta wanted to kill each other or something. They wanted a fight where they would test all their might on their rival and that's exactly what they did.


Well, if you want to look that closely, almost all the aliens in the Dragonball universe speak English. Why? How is it that the exact same language has developed on such different planets? ... Sometimes you shouldn't take things too seriously. 1 Replie(s)

Interesting detail. XXI counts in years, not minutes. The paneling looks cool on this page. You could bring that in more often. And nice to see Eleim for a change. 3 Replie(s)

Ich kann mich mit dem dunkel-lila Oberteil nicht anfreunden. Es ist nicht schlecht, allerdings stört es mich ein wenig. Hoffentlich kann ich mich daran gewöhnen. Die alternativen Farben, die das Team mal gezeigt hat, sind nicht besser. Dennoch glaube ich, dass ein türkises Oberteil besser wäre. Genug genörgelt. Super Seite, vorallem die Son Bra Nahaufnahmen sind in Farbe gut geworden. 1 Replie(s)

Ha, Goku does the same as Coldyu before the fight against Son Bra (on page 1167). Isn't it great when people in Dragonball use their brains?

DBM's greatest hits in terms of sidecharacter OCs in the first two panels. I like it. The main/anouncer Varga, Sei. The audience representative OCs, Zarya and Bruce. Asura really likes to draw them ... alot!

The way U19 is seen here as such incredible victims who are granted a wish with complete certainty, I wonder if U12 Future Trunks doesn't regret not crying every 5 minutes that he wants to do something good with the Dragon Balls. Haha. Maybe then he would have been officially granted a wish as well. Somehow today's page makes U19 as a whole more of a MacGuffin than seeing each character as a real figure with personality.

And why is North Kaioshin actually in the ring? Sure, for the finale, a special occasion as the new leader of the organizers. But he's literally declared the match to have started while he's still standing in the middle of it. He would virtually be in the firing line of the two if they really were to start attacking KI-Blasts immediately. Haha

This is the last time I can post this image. It was a funny ride, North, you and your instigation to continue the tournament, despite all the chaos that has happened so far. xD


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Oh Nea. Ich habe deine Umfragen vermisst. Ich tippe auf Goku. Und am Ende wird sich XXI den Wunsch unter den Nagel reißen, so wie im Flashback Kapitel vorbereitet. 1 Replie(s)

Goku hat im Kampf gegen Majin Buu und Babidi lediglich Zeit geschunden, als er seine Transformation zeigte und sogar erklärte. Damit Kid Trunks unbemerkt den Dragonball Radar aus Capsule Corps zu Gottes Palast bringen kann. Was ist der Plan von Future Trunks hier? Ich bin absolut offen, sogar für die kleinsten Pläne von Trunks in diesem Kampf. Leider habe ich das Gefühl, wir kriegen lediglich eine Erklärung, damit der Leser (Durchbrechen der 4te Wand) es erfährt, nicht damit Zamasu er erfährt. Aber ich lasse mich gerne eines besseren belehren.

Ich habe schon damals die Referenz zu Hémisphères gefeiert, als ich die Seite zum ersten mal gesehen habe. Immer wieder schön zu sehen, wie Figuren aus Salagir's anderen Comic-Projekten immer wieder als Zuschauer in DBM auftauchen. Das Kind und die Mutter sind eigentlich auch nur Nebencharaktere, dennoch genial die hier zu sehen.

Goku in NSSJ and in color. I believe the first official color depiction of NSSJ. Everything else I think was just Asura's fanart on his Deviantar account.

And lol, Tien is floating, but of course.