Ammar was saying: GodModeGOD was saying: >on about things no longer the case
>reformed murderer
>this versus an unrepentant pervert who has not changed
See? Are you getting it?
>All he gets in response for what he done is "UNNH..." from the nakekians & it never brought up again.
>two chapters after that he's invited & living in the earth like he didn't do anything wrong.
See? are you getting it? This what I meant by he gets a pass.
Repeating teacher isn't going to help you, lad. As before, Geets reformed. Roshi has not. He continues the behavior. It isn't complicated. Are you grasping it now? Anyway, happy to help.

Ammar was saying:
To compare Roshi & Krillin to Vegeta's action to show you irony of Roshi being called out & not other character who done worse? it's not off topic. Discussing Vegeta's wrong doings is.

Like, I'm sorry I used your favorite character as an example, jeez...
I'm pretty sure whether or not other characters have done worse is equally off topic. It's also impossible to discuss whether others have done worse without discussing their wrongdoings, so what you just said doesn't make any sense.

What on Earth makes you think that Vegeta is my favourite character, and why on Earth would it be relevant if he were? I simply pointed out that you were the one to go off topic. I don't remember defending Vegeta in any way.

Then why did you bring it up? You're the one who went off topic in the first place. Vegeta isn't even on this page and you are the one who brought him up.

He gets a pass in the sense that the galactic tribunal doesn't put him to death for slaughtering possibly billions of people by blowing up planets, because Toriyama doesn't bother with these things.
He does NOT get a pass in the sense that he gets his ass kicked all the time. Seriously, even Gohan and Krillin have a better showing than him against Freeza. He's the one who ends up crying and begging. Because he's more of an underdog, it makes it less egregious to see him stick around people who shouldn't tolerate him around, and more endearing when he's the one who actually comes out on top.

Ammar was saying: Oh right right! Krillin and Roshi are bad role models because Roshi is a pedophile and Krillin is his accom-Vegeta killed children!!!



And not only that! he bragged and taunted the namekians about it!



And yet, a lot of fans still view him as role model. If he gets a pass for this, then so does Krillin and Roshi. The standers are already this low, being a pervert is normal in Dragon ball. xD

Honestly, that's why I love Moro arc so much in Dragon Ball Super (the only Arc I really like): we get to see Vegeta acknowledging that he committed actual crimes against the namekians and dedicating himself to seek redemption, unlike in regular DBZ, where he basically just changes his ways but never shows any remorse for what he's done.

Ammar was saying: Oh right right! Krillin and Roshi are bad role models because Roshi is a pedophile and Krillin is his accom-Vegeta killed children!!!



And not only that! he bragged and taunted the namekians about it!



And yet, a lot of fans still view him as role model. If he gets a pass for this, then so does Krillin and Roshi. The standers are already this low, being a pervert is normal in Dragon ball. xD

Imagine writing this in depth “but what about!” example in defense of the objectively pedophilic content of classic DB. A VERY weird deflection man, kind of suspicious

>on about things no longer the case
>reformed murderer
>this versus an unrepentant pervert who has not changed
See? Are you getting it?

Vegeta's whole character arc involved him moving on from being this kind of person. Very few question his final destination being hell despite whatever he may have done to try to atone for his actions.

No one is defending Vegeta's actions on Namek, not even Vegeta himself. As seen in DB Super.

The story still fully addresses Vegeta's past sins in great detail, no one has forgotten what he has done.

Did you miss the entire point of his character which was to become far better then what both he and his race once were even without striking his skull like Goku did? With Goku's positive influence of course.

I will do my best tracing Anmar who traces Le Nuage:
"Congratulations! Glad to be part of it! xD"

XD XD XD

But U3 Pilaf didn't release Piccolo, that's the problem. U9 and U3 was identical for a while (at least on Earth it was), universe wise is obviously a different story. Could be a butterfly effect I suppose.

Wait, I just realized, King Piccolo, does he appear in U9 at all? Because in U3 he only appeared because Kami found and released him and assimilated into him so that he can fight the Saiyan invasion. But in U9 there is no need to unseal him surely.

No, what I meant is Kakarotto killing people for years should have an impact on the course of events. Of course this is happening before Roshi was killed.

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I wish I could see more of these drafts! they have a great energy to them

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Oh great, another universe 9 exposition comic, after this. We've already had like 3 of them already...

get to the good stuff like when they fight cooler, vegeta, babdi, android yamcha... etc.

No one cares about kid krillin training with Roshi without goku. Cmon man.

They also did this for Universe 13. We had like 3 chapters of exposition of Kakarot's time on earth. And I heard they are planning a 4TH ONE!

Why... why does dbm go so overboard in these un-intersting expositions... of backstories. We want the good stuff, not the boring fluff.

They literally put Bojack vs Cell, the Kais vs legendary ssj & frost demons etc. as one panel mini-comics but gave an entire chapter of Kakarot training with Gohan, and a re-tell of movie 5... cmon man.

Here's the backstory I want to see:
Universe 3:
Raichi vs Sayain war (2 chapters)

Universe 7:
Gast vs cell & buu (Plus a mini-comic of what happened to Vegeta)
— 
2 chapters

Universe 9:
Babidi saga
Cooler Saga - All of these at least 2 chapters for each
Sayain Saga


Universe 11:
Babidi saga in this universe (2 chapters at least)

Universe 13:
Their battle on Namek! (2 chapters at least)
Their battle with cooler and cold (1 chapter at least)
Plus other adventures as well as how they run their empire. (1 chapter)

Universe 17:
Cell adventures of terror (1 chapter at least)

Universe 18:
How their battle with hirudagarn went down (1 chapter)

Universe 19:
Heliotes vs the frost demons (2 chapters at least)
The accident that led to the relase of that black gew. (1 chapter)

I counted at least 20 chapters of material for those ideas alone.

With all of this... do we really need to focus that much on these expositions? Hel, a lot of your one-panel expository mini-comics would make more interesting chapters to flesh out then some of the back-story chapters we've gotten!

Please tell me - which of the two Men is a drawn Version of Salagir's real Appearance ? ;-) The one with the tan, or the other One ?

Looks like a dramatic finish.

Chill out, Goku! This ain't a pinball game!

Ooh, the Dragon Toss (Is that what it's called or is it Dragon Throw). Or maybe it's that Mario style toss.

"So long, Gay Vegeta!"

Attack is one word...

Guardando la live twitch di Salagir (riportata anche in home page) hanno mostrato questo

Pan, you might wanna take a few steps back or so...

This was uploaded on DBM's social networks.

A user says that supposedly it can be seen after a few seconds, but I can't ._.

Sorry to disappoint you (and many, I guess), but it's officialy confirmed (by Asura and co in yesterday's stream) they're nowhere near Bra SSJ2. They didn't literally spell out "they are exactly between A and B", but they were pretty blunt about them not being in Bra/Vegetto tiers.

I absolutely LOVE this page, it is one of my favorites up to now exactly because of the way Salagir explained the surpassing of the Super Sayan transformations limits, and gave an explanation of the "Mystic State" (that someone here properly called "Ultimate", since it is not "Magic" anymore). The way he made it at the same time is surprising and make sense. But I got Wukong's point. If it saved the explanation for the next couple of pages, keeping the mistery for a few days, the fandom here would take some fun in theorizing about what happened. I believe many of us would find the answer or close to it before it had been given.

And no other saiyans in any other universe discovered this amazing powerful solution to the strain of super saiyan. Not Bra or Vegito or Trunks or the other versions of Goku and Vegeta. They didn't have main character power.

Ok and what about the other universes, such as universe 20? They were the same Goku and Vegeta and also had a mystic Gohan but they still used their ssj forms and Vegeta didn't even have 3. Also even in Canon Goku was looking for ways to lessen the strain of super saiyan so it's not like he would stop looking just cause he became stronger than Gohan, so why would Vegito not look into this?

Stop thinking so hard, Goku and Vegeta just have mystic now and they both apparently unlocked it in the 20 minutes before the tournament started. Or "They weren't given the time to breathe".

Am I the only one who thinks that the monologuing from Goku and Vegeta ("We"?) at the same time kind of takes away from the page a little?

What color are their eyes supposed to be? Super Saiyan color? Something else?

Might be Super Saiyan color yeah. Maybe to show their technique is still imperfect compared to Mystic Gohan, and that they haven't managed to limit ALL of the Super Saiyan effects ?

In any case, love the explanation and great page !! You guys nailed it and Gohan's reaction makes it even better

So wait, just curious but is Pan saying she cried for two days the last time Goku and Vegeta fought?

XXI: I take note.

Though XXI should be more concerned about Gast.

Are people seriously still expecting Vegetto to go berserk because of some random panel from a decade ago? lol.

Barley understand what's going on

Bulma's remarried? Of course she is, I was honestly wondering what her status was, being with somebody as unstable as Vegito. In fact I was almost afraid for her, to know what her current status was. A part of me wonders if Vegito actually killed her in his anger during an argument, by accident or otherwise. However, this still leaves another question unanswered: What about Chi-chi?

is universe 14 the timeline where imperfect cell killed trunks so he couldnt return to save his timeline from the andriods

No, your explanation was right but thats actually U14.

15 is IKL (why everyone disappeared is unknown so far).

If Cell were to achieve his Perfect form in a universe like U14 where the Androids are weaker and if #18 didn't kill Cell, would we get a Perfect Cell that's weaker than the one in the main universe (before he got any Zenkais?)?

It also seems they are from time period where Trunks was killed in the past or jumped by cell.

I don't think there is an official explanation of what happened to that Cell.

They are more among the middle of the pack honestly. Above Freeza and SSJ1.

Adult Saiyans can't regrow their tail, that would make more sense.

Goku and Vegeta never regrew their before SSJ.

Maybe I missed something in the comic where it says Kakarotto no longer receives Zenkai because he technically is never "close to death", as he literally cannot die therefore death is never actually close?..

You use your lead on the pages to make bad memes. What a waste.
:Videl_pouet: :XXI_magic:

Okay how the hell did you make this so quickly?

Though to be fair, I don't think Pan has seen Bra's horrible side until Buu showed her how the Majin crisis played out which is why Pan was in such disbelief about her behavior.

Thank you Ammar. I thought some of them looked familiar.

Sooooo... Anyone knows who it was at the last panel?

Lol, this is not a HxH reference.

This is a parodie of Hayate no Gotoku (and more precisely the first opening).

Is she crying because of Pan's sick burn or is she crying because she about to get pwned by Gast?

Nothing was realistic about that.
Earlier in the Tournament Bra looks down on and berates everybody.

More realistic would be Bra punching Pan thanks to her Hair-Trigger Temper.

This is so fake it's not even funny.

This also begs the question, that if his ghosts leave the universe to carry out a mission, are they replenished when he recharges? Because if not, he would be leaving himself pretty short-handed. [b]His strongest remaining warriors are Bojack & his U3 SSJ1 Vegeta, as well as his own Frost Demons. And that isnt really saying much.

Sad thing is, that strategy of Gohan grabbing Bra while Cell using the Special Beam Canon probably would not work as Bra could just teleport and such, she isn't as unskilled and pathetic as Raditz.

How did Mondo Cool, a YouTuber, have early access to this page?

Are you sure? I was certain I knew the name Phipsil before reading this page just now

This minicomic should also include Gast and XXI as a lot of people think it's Ghast and XII

Nope he created them. If he created a change Goku of U12 would not die because of heart disease, the Z-fighters would be alive again, Cell would have never appeared, the Androids would have turned good etc. U12 stayed exactly the same as before Trunks went to the past. Nothing changed. He only created a few new timelines aka universes.

The only thing Buu can do is going back to the past of U4. But the moment he does this a new universe gets created. If he decides for example to go back to the Cell tournament saga and kill Cell before Gohan did it, Gohan will never achieve SSJ2, Goku never dies, no fusion, no SSJ3, so a new universe with another story has been born with a different unique outcome. However the original U4 will stay exactly the same, nothing will change there.

Well thats the thing with time travel Buu, unfortunately for you Buu. You dont travel to another universe. The only thing you do is create a new universe. Like U12 Trunks, he created U4, U6, U16, U18 and U20. You cant travel to an excisting universe like U5 or U7, Ghast's universe.

I hope they do explain why only universe 1 can use that tech to travel to other worlds.

This end of Zen Buu doesn't really sit well with me, it all feels a bit rushed and very stretched. Previously I've thought I've found the page in which the Tech Birdie works on the Buu's contigencny device - page 1922 - and that would make previous page ok, but as Asturios has pointed out, page 1990 shows that it is also the same machine that failed to send Buu to U4 when XXI turned him into cocoon. And then there is Trunks inter-dimensional travelling and this weird rule that Tech Birdie has stated on previous page which causes logic issues with each other. I don't know what to think anymore.

Yay Heiko is back-

Buu can easily defuse Vegito if he wanted too.

My boy, vegerot is chump cheese to Buu, honestly.

Probably that person thought Bra was 14 having either not realized she's older due to time in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber or having forgotten about such.

Éclate was saying: Better question: Why is Piccolo a bartender to begin with?
Actually I'm pretty certain that that is Gast. You can tell because of how the bartended is pretty buff and the serious expression on his face is like Gast too. Not Saiyan that Piccolo doesn't have a serious face sometimes, but this serious expression is more serious than Piccolo's.

As for why Gast is the bartender, he probably got pressured into being the bartender and is doing so begrudgingly.

Yes: it's an error.
At the time this was drawn, this chapter didn't exist and BK-81 couldn't know Raditz's destiny.

What plothole? He could've posed like that before he went to earth but after Vegeta killed Broly.

Ammar was saying: "Do tell all your little friends…Send your army… Mine will be waiting!!"

King Piccolo...you killed him! How is he supposed to tell them now?!!

Also...

Ahem!

Plooooothoooole!!!


The scouter fell off right before the final blow!! Salagir definitely did it on purpose so the Sayan won’t know that Raditz actually died and Raichi will send his Raditz under cover!

Ammar was saying: "Do tell all your little friends…Send your army… Mine will be waiting!!"

King Piccolo...you killed him! How is he supposed to tell them now?!!

Also...

Ahem!

Plooooothoooole!!!

It’s gotta be Raichi’s ghost infiltrating the Sayain army

Shyamcha was saying: Ammar was saying: "Do tell all your little friends…Send your army… Mine will be waiting!!"

King Piccolo...you killed him! How is he supposed to tell them now?!!

Also...

Ahem!

Plooooothoooole!!!

It’s gotta be Raichi’s ghost infiltrating the Sayain army
Seems like I am finally not the only one realizing that possibility.
Would make perfect sense too, with a spy ghost Raditz, he can easily pick the best moment to strike and exact his vengeance :)

How is it a plothole? There is no date listed for when that event took place. This very easily could have happened after Vegeta took the throne

Just doing a bit of review, there's actually no reason Piccolo isn't the one to at least wipe out a large chunk of the saiyans.

At this point in the timeline, the only real person that stand up to Piccolo is King (Prince) Vegeta.

Broly is dead, Ginyu Force is dead, Cold Demons are all dead, Cooler's armored squadron is gone... There's literally no one that can challenge Piccolo outside of Vegeta, and even that is questionable considering it's difficult to determine "exactly" how strong Piccolo is at this point.

I am looking forward to the Piccolo v Kakorotto though. Sure to have more than a bit of a chuckle

Popo is an immortal genie lol, he's as strong as he wants to be, he just isnt allowed to intervene, genies never are.

I mean a lot of this comic is based on non-canon movies , So why should we automatically think Fillers aren't Canon ?

Okay, first, unless the fusion of Piccolo and Kami is stronger than a Super Saiyan, there's no way that would've killed Mr Popo (as we see him handle SSJ Trunks and Goten in Z).

Hello my dear comrades, I came from the Brazilian section looking for answers


Some of us from the Brazilian section are confused by the events of the last 3 pages and that's why I decided to come personally and ask some questions for you from the gringa section, so that maybe some moderator or even the artist of this special can answer our doubts, so without further ado:




1 : Who exactly freed Piccolo damaioh? Shenron or Kami Sama? I initially thought it was Kami sama, as Kami sama's wish didn't include piccolo damaioh (or so I thought?) in the wish, he only asked to restore his old-time abilities, but even then the page, because of the 2020 page: https://w...020.html#h_read Shenlong says "the rest.... depends on you...." And his eyes sparkle like he's got another wish ( wtf?) then Piccolo Damaioh appears without the rice cooker that imprisoned him, from what the pages suggest, Shenron somehow freed Piccolo damaioh, but that doesn't make sense, as Kami's wish didn't include Piccolo in it and I don't I can't imagine Shenron playing the Wish any other way than Kami becoming young, I can't say it was Kami Sama (or Mr popo) Freeing Piccolo Damaioh, because that's not what the pages imply, if Repair Kami Sama looks like it surprised to see Piccolo Damaioh (wtf?) and there's something else that bothers even more


2 : Why the hell is Piccolo Damaioh young? You could say it was because of Kami Sama's wish, but Kami sama's wish only included himself (https://w...019.html#h_read) and not Piccolo , btw "They were the same person before, so that's why Piccolo got young again" Not a valid excuse, Piccolo Damaioh in classic dragon ball made the same request and even then, only he got young, Kami Sama remained old as ever, it makes no sense to be different in dbm, even in an alternate universe


"It can be explained in future pages" I know that, that's why I asked a moderator of the Brazilian section about what is happening, after all they have the pages with early access and if it was any important spoiler (or something that would be explained) he could at least tell me what the hell is going on, but he was also confused, he didn't know why Piccolo was young, to have an idea he thought that Kami Sama made 2 wishes to shenron and that's why Piccolo was free (which I I can't believe it, because Kami sama himself seems surprised on this page and we don't see him make the second wish) and that Piccolo Damaioh has already asked to be young before (in this universe and in universe 9 too, after all they are the same universe) This confused me, as it created unnecessary changes to the story, but it was the only valid explanation (which doesn't contradict the manga's canon at least), so I opened up two possibilities




1 : Piccolo damaioh already freed before, but was imprisoned by mafuba again, in the meantime he asked to have eternal youth ( I don't believe so much in this possibility, but it may be what happened, after all master kame doesn't appear alive in universe 9 , maybe he sealed Piccolo and then was revived by the dragon balls and then died again in piccolo's second turn)




2: Before Mutaito sealed Piccolo with the Mafuba, Piccolo gathered the Dragon Balls and asked for eternal youth (most natural and likely in my opinion)




Even with these two possibilities I'm not sure what's going on as it's not very clear, I don't even know why the story would go down this confusing path and make these unnecessary changes, when it could have opted for something simpler.





Anyway, if anyone can answer my doubts, I would be grateful, that's all, sorry for the inconvenience.

Some languages are still using the older pages even now. Check out the Japanese section.

Aaaargh ! Author here ! Those are my old pages, not the new ones. Please anyone from the team hear me out please ! Answer my emails T_T

Thanks ammar for being a team player. your contributions are invaluable.

Sorry, not sure if there is anywhere else to ask, but from the text background color i guess you are one of the admins -

is there any plan to restore the chinese section? people got confused about the current situation

This art version is infinitely better why did they go with the other one?

With so much drawn, why use a guest artist at all? Make the minor changes and finish the chapter.

Ngl I really don't like the dialogues in this chapter.
They don't come out as natural.

السلام عليكم انا عندي سؤال انا خلصت القصة بس الي ما فهمته في كون فيجوتو في برا اوكي وفي كون ابطال القصو غوكو وفيجيتا و اوب في برا ثانية كيف كذا + ما في فيجيت في كونهم+ متا التكملة