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MATTIA IL DIVINO
1 day, 6h
Il design di questo antenato di Darbula è decisamente figo! Sappiamo tuttavia che XXI divorerà l’intero universo, pertanto non è molto interessante vedere questi personaggi di mezzo, con la consapevolezza che verranno annientati nella pagina successiva…
La divergenza sappiamo qual è stata, ovvero che i Kaiohshin qui sono stati sconfitti. Sarebbe stato più utile e interessante esplorare meglio il “come” ciò sia successo.
E ancora più in là, XXI è apparso in tutti gli universi, ma che cos’è esattamente? Chi lo ha creato o partorito?
Mi sembra un’occasione un po’ sprecata, avrebbe potuto approfondire meglio anche il Sommo Kaiohshin e la sua fusione con la strega.
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La divergenza sappiamo qual è stata, ovvero che i Kaiohshin qui sono stati sconfitti. Sarebbe stato più utile e interessante esplorare meglio il “come” ciò sia successo.
E ancora più in là, XXI è apparso in tutti gli universi, ma che cos’è esattamente? Chi lo ha creato o partorito?
Mi sembra un’occasione un po’ sprecata, avrebbe potuto approfondire meglio anche il Sommo Kaiohshin e la sua fusione con la strega.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
1 day, 6h
The design of this ancestor of Dabra is undeniably cool! We already know, however, that XXI will go on to consume the entire universe, which makes it difficult to become too invested in these intermediary characters when we know they are destined to be wiped out on the very next page.
We already know what the point of divergence was: in this universe, the Kaioshin were defeated. What would have been far more useful—and far more interesting—would have been a deeper exploration of how that actually came to pass.
Looking even further ahead, XXI appeared in every universe, but what exactly is it? Who created it—or brought it into existence?
This strikes me as a somewhat missed opportunity. There was also plenty of room to further develop the Elder Kaioshin and his fusion with the witch. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2695
We already know what the point of divergence was: in this universe, the Kaioshin were defeated. What would have been far more useful—and far more interesting—would have been a deeper exploration of how that actually came to pass.
Looking even further ahead, XXI appeared in every universe, but what exactly is it? Who created it—or brought it into existence?
This strikes me as a somewhat missed opportunity. There was also plenty of room to further develop the Elder Kaioshin and his fusion with the witch. 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
28 May
For being supposedly its “greatest enemy,” she really did not last long at all, hahaha. She waited over a year for who-knows-what, only to charge in without any real plan and get utterly annihilated within a single page. LOL!
DB Multiverse page 2693
MATTIA IL DIVINO
27 May
DeathToKakarot was saying:
MATTIA IL DIVINO was saying: Kururun was saying: To be more exact, Enma was never shown to have anything to do with allowing these guys to return. You can make up infinite reasons for why. Maybe he wasn't even there at the time, maybe these guys can't return for any reason, maybe they'd just lose to Buu again anyway so it doesn't matter...
Nobody questioned it, because Dragon Ball did it right by not focusing on trying to rationalize something that doesn't matter and probably doesn't make sense no matter how hard you try to make it sound reasonable. All that mattered was the big "Vegeta coming back from the afterlife" cliffhanger. It's a good one. The reasons for Vegeta coming back were decent enough ("Buu's bad news, let's send Vegeta back even if he's hopelessly outmatched, he's the best bet we have around"). We didn't need some reasons to explain why, say, Gohan wouldn't be able to come back to life 30 minutes later if Buu (Gotenks absorbed) killed him to finish the job, or why Kaioshins (or anyone) didn't get a free round 2 against big threats.
This is a very interesting and widely debated matter. We know that anyone killed by a member of the Demon Clan will not reach the Other World, and their soul will instead wander for eternity. Indeed, this is precisely what happened to Vegeta and Kuririn, both of whom were killed by Freeza (which would therefore make the Frost Demons true demons in every sense). They were both brought back to life without the faintest recollection of what had happened, and Kuririn’s spirit even wandered through space for an entire year before being summoned back by Porunga.
Dabra, being the king of the Demon Realm, obviously fell into this same category, to the point that Kibith returned to life without ever passing through the Other World.
I have always believed that the Kaioshin were effectively killed twice by Bu, and that for this reason their spirits were lost forever.
I don't recall them being mentioned to be in limbo after getting merked by Freeza in either the manga or anime ngl. Their deaths seemed to just be some of many that we're not shown where they went as it wasn't the focal point of the story at the time.
Nobody questioned it, because Dragon Ball did it right by not focusing on trying to rationalize something that doesn't matter and probably doesn't make sense no matter how hard you try to make it sound reasonable. All that mattered was the big "Vegeta coming back from the afterlife" cliffhanger. It's a good one. The reasons for Vegeta coming back were decent enough ("Buu's bad news, let's send Vegeta back even if he's hopelessly outmatched, he's the best bet we have around"). We didn't need some reasons to explain why, say, Gohan wouldn't be able to come back to life 30 minutes later if Buu (Gotenks absorbed) killed him to finish the job, or why Kaioshins (or anyone) didn't get a free round 2 against big threats.
This is a very interesting and widely debated matter. We know that anyone killed by a member of the Demon Clan will not reach the Other World, and their soul will instead wander for eternity. Indeed, this is precisely what happened to Vegeta and Kuririn, both of whom were killed by Freeza (which would therefore make the Frost Demons true demons in every sense). They were both brought back to life without the faintest recollection of what had happened, and Kuririn’s spirit even wandered through space for an entire year before being summoned back by Porunga.
Dabra, being the king of the Demon Realm, obviously fell into this same category, to the point that Kibith returned to life without ever passing through the Other World.
I have always believed that the Kaioshin were effectively killed twice by Bu, and that for this reason their spirits were lost forever.
I don't recall them being mentioned to be in limbo after getting merked by Freeza in either the manga or anime ngl. Their deaths seemed to just be some of many that we're not shown where they went as it wasn't the focal point of the story at the time.
Although it is true that Vegeta and the Namekians killed by Freeza were brought back to life without any real attention being given to where their spirits had been during death, Kuririn’s case was instead the focus of an entire manga chapter. In it, the Earthlings and King Kai discuss how they might recover his spirit, which had not reached the afterlife but was instead wandering through space where the destroyed planet Namek had once existed. It was Vegeta who suggested summoning his spirit back before reviving him, and Porunga proceeded to do exactly that.
Therefore, Kuririn did not reach the Other World after being killed by Freeza (nor the first time he was killed by Tambourine, the demon offspring of Piccolo Daimao), and the same can reasonably be assumed for Vegeta and the Namekians as well, judging by their reactions. This would make the Frost Demons true demons in every sense, much like Piccolo Daimao and Dabra.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
26 May
Gerac was saying:
Come ho detto, Toriyama era un campione nel dimenticarsi le cose, era uno dei suoi più grandi difetti (ed è un difetto, il fatto che sia Dragon ball e che sia un anime sui combattimenti non preclude la necessità, per l'autore, di non contraddire avvenimenti e regole passate o, nel caso accada, di giustoficarne le motivazioni. La scena in cui Cell non si fa nulla contro il kiezan è filler, ma chi l'ha pensata è uno scrittore migliore di Toriyama, perché con una scena di tre secondi ha risolto un problema di coerenza).
Per il resto, ovvio che Vegeta non può perdere contro Cooler, ma stava già vincendo senza problemi.
Inoltre non capisco il problema nel far notare un problema nella narrazione a uno che considera quello che sta facendo "professionale", io sto cercando di scrivere una saga letteraria e mando i capitoli ad alcuni amici per farglieli leggere, e gli chiedo di non trattenersi nelle critiche proprio per poter capire i problemi del mio stile e cercare di migliorarmi.
Per il resto, ovvio che Vegeta non può perdere contro Cooler, ma stava già vincendo senza problemi.
Inoltre non capisco il problema nel far notare un problema nella narrazione a uno che considera quello che sta facendo "professionale", io sto cercando di scrivere una saga letteraria e mando i capitoli ad alcuni amici per farglieli leggere, e gli chiedo di non trattenersi nelle critiche proprio per poter capire i problemi del mio stile e cercare di migliorarmi.
Per quanto io possa aver amato Toriyama e gli sia grato a vita per il capolavoro con cui sono cresciuto e che seguo tuttora con lo stesso entusiasmo di allora (non DBS, né Daima), devo concordare con te. Alcune scelte narrative, a cominciare dai livelli di potenza, sono assurde e incoerenti. Una volta, non condividevo alcune scelte di Salagir che modificano quanto stabilito nel manga (ad esempio il livello di potenza di Freezer) ma negli anni ho maturato la comprensione che Toriyama abbia “sbagliato” molte cose e che, da eterno fan nei secoli fedele, fossero doverosi degli aggiustamenti per riportare un po’ di ordine in un’opera fantastica ma, alle volte, altrettanto contraddittoria.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
26 May
Kururun was saying:
To be more exact, Enma was never shown to have anything to do with allowing these guys to return. You can make up infinite reasons for why. Maybe he wasn't even there at the time, maybe these guys can't return for any reason, maybe they'd just lose to Buu again anyway so it doesn't matter...
Nobody questioned it, because Dragon Ball did it right by not focusing on trying to rationalize something that doesn't matter and probably doesn't make sense no matter how hard you try to make it sound reasonable. All that mattered was the big "Vegeta coming back from the afterlife" cliffhanger. It's a good one. The reasons for Vegeta coming back were decent enough ("Buu's bad news, let's send Vegeta back even if he's hopelessly outmatched, he's the best bet we have around"). We didn't need some reasons to explain why, say, Gohan wouldn't be able to come back to life 30 minutes later if Buu (Gotenks absorbed) killed him to finish the job, or why Kaioshins (or anyone) didn't get a free round 2 against big threats.
Nobody questioned it, because Dragon Ball did it right by not focusing on trying to rationalize something that doesn't matter and probably doesn't make sense no matter how hard you try to make it sound reasonable. All that mattered was the big "Vegeta coming back from the afterlife" cliffhanger. It's a good one. The reasons for Vegeta coming back were decent enough ("Buu's bad news, let's send Vegeta back even if he's hopelessly outmatched, he's the best bet we have around"). We didn't need some reasons to explain why, say, Gohan wouldn't be able to come back to life 30 minutes later if Buu (Gotenks absorbed) killed him to finish the job, or why Kaioshins (or anyone) didn't get a free round 2 against big threats.
This is a very interesting and widely debated matter. We know that anyone killed by a member of the Demon Clan will not reach the Other World, and their soul will instead wander for eternity. Indeed, this is precisely what happened to Vegeta and Kuririn, both of whom were killed by Freeza (which would therefore make the Frost Demons true demons in every sense). They were both brought back to life without the faintest recollection of what had happened, and Kuririn’s spirit even wandered through space for an entire year before being summoned back by Porunga.
Dabra, being the king of the Demon Realm, obviously fell into this same category, to the point that Kibith returned to life without ever passing through the Other World.
I have always believed that the Kaioshin were effectively killed twice by Bu, and that for this reason their spirits were lost forever. 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
26 May
This lady is the Kaioshin whose power the Elder Kaioshin had previously unlocked, allowing her to reach XXI’s level. Even so, she perished fighting against it, driving the Z Sword through its chest. XXI then made its way to the Sacred World of the Kais, where it sealed the Elder Kaioshin within the Z Sword before ultimately being slain by the three remaining Kaioshin.
It follows, then, that this Kaioshin became the new Grand Supreme Kai after death, being the last one left—much like North assumed the position of the fat Grand Supreme Kai after his arrest.
That said, what prevented her from acting immediately rather than waiting for more than a year? Is this a plot hole, or an issue that will be addressed in the coming pages?
DB Multiverse page 2692
It follows, then, that this Kaioshin became the new Grand Supreme Kai after death, being the last one left—much like North assumed the position of the fat Grand Supreme Kai after his arrest.
That said, what prevented her from acting immediately rather than waiting for more than a year? Is this a plot hole, or an issue that will be addressed in the coming pages?
MATTIA IL DIVINO
25 May
Costei è la Kaiohshin a cui il vecchio Sommo aveva sbloccato il potere, facendole raggiungere il livello di XXI. Ciononostante, ella morì contro di esso, conficcandogli la spada Z nel petto. XXI si recò allora nel regno divino, dove sigillò il vecchio Kaiohshin il Sommo nella Z-sword e fu ucciso dai rimanenti 3 Kaiohshin.
Ne consegue che questa Kaiohshin è diventata la nuova Gran Kaiohshin dopo la morte, in quanto ultima rimasta. Un po’ come North ha preso il posto del Gran Kaiohshin grasso dopo il suo arresto.
Tuttavia, cosa le ha impedito di aire subito anziché aspettare più di un anno? Buco di trama o questione che verrà risolta nelle prossime pagine?
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Ne consegue che questa Kaiohshin è diventata la nuova Gran Kaiohshin dopo la morte, in quanto ultima rimasta. Un po’ come North ha preso il posto del Gran Kaiohshin grasso dopo il suo arresto.
Tuttavia, cosa le ha impedito di aire subito anziché aspettare più di un anno? Buco di trama o questione che verrà risolta nelle prossime pagine?
MATTIA IL DIVINO
24 May
Ancora una volta, siamo di fronte a una trovata geniale: con le sfere del drago a disposizione, perché non sfruttarle pienamente? Ci siamo tutti posti queste domande, possibile che dopo la corsa all’immortalità nessuno dei buoni abbia colto l’occasione per ottenerla? Il what-if di questo utilizzo delle sfere è proprio l’universo 5, il cui risultato non poteva che essere l’antagonista finale di Dragon Ball!
Tuttavia, credo che l’ordine dei desideri sia quantomeno strano: ha aspettato 3 desideri per far dormire il namecciano? E durante quell’anno, dove lo ha tenuto?
Sarebbe un gran bel colpo di scena. Mi sa che ci hai azzeccato!
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Tuttavia, credo che l’ordine dei desideri sia quantomeno strano: ha aspettato 3 desideri per far dormire il namecciano? E durante quell’anno, dove lo ha tenuto?
Pascal8 was saying:
Rispondo alla domanda di tutti...Sento il suo ritorno bruciare in me. Ed ella mi apparterrà per sempre...E LA FAME...sicuro...ecco perchè spiegato pure perchè vuole un universo rallentato tutto per se. Per contrastarla. Peró mi chiedo come possa essere un essere non vivente (contro Gast lo dice) e come possa possibile che Vegeth possa averlo colpito cosí forte da aver distrutto il suo stomaco. E penso che pure nella sua forma reale possa subire danni del genere
Sarebbe un gran bel colpo di scena. Mi sa che ci hai azzeccato!
MATTIA IL DIVINO
24 May
Once again, we are faced with a brilliant idea: with the Dragon Balls at one’s disposal, why not exploit them to their fullest extent? We have all asked ourselves these questions—after the race for immortality, how is it possible that none of the heroes ever seized the opportunity to obtain it for themselves? The what if born from this very use of the Dragon Balls is precisely Universe 5, whose outcome could only have been the ultimate antagonist of Dragon Ball!
That said, I do find the order of the wishes somewhat odd: did he really wait through three wishes before putting the Namekian to sleep? And during that entire year, where exactly did he keep him?
DB Multiverse page 2691
That said, I do find the order of the wishes somewhat odd: did he really wait through three wishes before putting the Namekian to sleep? And during that entire year, where exactly did he keep him?
MATTIA IL DIVINO
24 May
Ruttolo Bill was saying:
Immagino che tante caratteristiche dei draghi namecciani siano state aggiunte nel corso dei secoli (magari su indicazioni dei Kaioshin) proprio per limitarne un uso eccessivo come quello che ne viene fatto in questa pagina, altrimenti non si spiega come questo drago possa essere ancora vivo nonostante il suo creatore sia sicuramente morto dopo tutto questo tempo: il vincolo alla vita del creatore e alle metodologie di evocazione probabilmente non sono presenti in questo drago "originale", altrimenti per XXI sarebbe stato impossibile prenderne possesso.
Più che altro per XXI sarebbe stato possibile prender possesso di tutti gli altri draghi esattamente come ha fatto con il suo
Più che altro per XXI sarebbe stato possibile prender possesso di tutti gli altri draghi esattamente come ha fatto con il suo
La prova lampante di come basti aspettare la pagina successiva per avere la risposta a presunti buchi di trama ;) 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
23 May
PGV 2 was saying:
Chissà se è Hanasia quella colpita in basso a sinistra, ci assomiglia...
L’ho pensato anch’io, sembra proprio lei!
MATTIA IL DIVINO
22 May
Pagina spettacolare! Sia l’ambientazione che i disegni sono stratosferici! La scelta di porre i namecciani una razza così antica calza a pennello con quanto disse Kaiohshin il Sommo: ovvero che fu egli stesso a decretare che le sfere del drago si sarebbero potute usare solo su Namecc, “la razza più onesta dello spazio”.
Ancora una volta mi devo congratulare con Salagir per l’attenzione ai dettagli e l’estrema fedeltà che dimostra nei confronti dell’opera.
Ciò detto, mi auguro che venga comunque meglio esplorata la divergenza cogli altri universi: che vinca XXI già lo sappiamo, è il come che attendiamo con ansia!
DB Multiverse page 2690
Ancora una volta mi devo congratulare con Salagir per l’attenzione ai dettagli e l’estrema fedeltà che dimostra nei confronti dell’opera.
Ciò detto, mi auguro che venga comunque meglio esplorata la divergenza cogli altri universi: che vinca XXI già lo sappiamo, è il come che attendiamo con ansia!
MATTIA IL DIVINO
22 May
A spectacular page! Both the setting and the artwork are absolutely breathtaking! The decision to portray the Namekians as such an ancient race fits perfectly with what the Elder Kaioshin once said: namely, that he himself decreed the Dragon Balls could only be used on Namek, “the most honest race in space.”
Once again, I have to congratulate Salagir for his attention to detail and the extraordinary faithfulness he shows toward the original work.
That said, I still hope the divergence from the other universes will be explored more thoroughly. We already know that XXI will prevail—the real question, and the one we are eagerly awaiting, is how!
DB Multiverse page 2690
Once again, I have to congratulate Salagir for his attention to detail and the extraordinary faithfulness he shows toward the original work.
That said, I still hope the divergence from the other universes will be explored more thoroughly. We already know that XXI will prevail—the real question, and the one we are eagerly awaiting, is how!
MATTIA IL DIVINO
22 May
This fight was the pinnacle of the Multiverse Tournament! Back then (thirteen years ago), I did not fully appreciate it, but rereading it now, it truly feels extraordinary!
DBMultiverse Colors page 555
MATTIA IL DIVINO
18 May
Steve Vandervorst was saying:
Il capitolo precedente è stato realizzato da Suisei, mentre io avevo disegnato la copertina. Questo capitolo invece l’ho disegnato interamente io.
Spero che vi piacerà :)
Spero che vi piacerà :)
Congratulazioni e grazie mille per l’impegno che hai dedicato a questo progetto! :)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
18 May
Mr. Popo was saying:
Che personaggione Snower, fosse stato lo special raccontato tutto dal suo punto di vista sarebbe stato tra i migliori senza dubbio. Tutto sommato questo capitolo mi è piaciuto molto, ma è indubbio che la parte centrale in cui la banda di Bojack si scontra con i jaykals potenziati e roba varia sia stata molto monotona e noiosa.
Quindi in questi casi...i capitoli disegnati valgono più del romanzo/informazioni esterne? La versione canonica è che Snower è morto di vecchiaia?
In più: verso che età in teoria i demoni del freddo dovrebbero morire di vecchiaia? Immagino che sia morto prima della nascita di Cooler, no?
Quindi in questi casi...i capitoli disegnati valgono più del romanzo/informazioni esterne? La versione canonica è che Snower è morto di vecchiaia?
In più: verso che età in teoria i demoni del freddo dovrebbero morire di vecchiaia? Immagino che sia morto prima della nascita di Cooler, no?
Nella linea cronologica di Salagir pubblicata alla fine del romanzo su Hanasia, ci sono un po’ di informazioni: https://w...chapter-51.html
In seguito a questo colpo da maestro di Snower, Cold partorirà prima Cooler e, dopo 15 anni, Freezer.
33 anni dopo, Snower scompare, qui dicono sul suo letto ma ciò non esclude che Cold o uno dei suoi due nipoti lo avveleni sul letto.
Blizzard sembra esser stato ucciso a più di 1500 anni, per cui sembra strano che Snower muoia di vecchiaia 400 anni più giovane di lui.
Infine, Asura mi disse, tra romanzo e fumetto, di considerare canonico quest’ultimo, rispetto ad alcune differenze presenti nel romanzo, come ad esempio la forza combattiva di Cold (che nel fumetto è stat riportata inferiore a Cell perfetto mentre nel romanzo è scritto che è molto più forte di Cell perfetto). 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
17 May
A magnificent conclusion to a chapter that has firmly crowned Snower as the greatest Frost Demon of all time!
P.S. I would not be surprised if a character of such moral integrity were to sacrifice his own life in order to keep the number of Frost Demons down to three, or if he had even bestowed some kind of blessing upon Freeza at birth.
Truly, congratulations—and thank you for the time and dedication you invested in this project. It was a genuine pleasure to read this chapter, made all the more remarkable by an art style of extraordinarily high quality! :) 1 Replie(s)
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P.S. I would not be surprised if a character of such moral integrity were to sacrifice his own life in order to keep the number of Frost Demons down to three, or if he had even bestowed some kind of blessing upon Freeza at birth.
Tanren_kun was saying:
And there you have it. In the end, Snower wins it all! You could say he was the real protagonist, not Bojack. Thank you so much for reading this chapter, i hope you did enjoy it, even though Bojack is not really popular. I’d also like to thank Salagir and the DBM team for this great experience. If you have any question, feel free to ask.
Thanks again and take care. Peace!
Tanren-Kun
Thanks again and take care. Peace!
Tanren-Kun
Truly, congratulations—and thank you for the time and dedication you invested in this project. It was a genuine pleasure to read this chapter, made all the more remarkable by an art style of extraordinarily high quality! :) 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
16 May
Danfabber86 was saying:
Nel complesso, vi dirò che questo special è stato più che piacevole. Certo è stato lungo assai, e incentrato su un personaggio a cui non frega niente a nessuno!! Però la presenza dei Demoni Glaciali (quanto più figo è questo termine? Faccio una petizione per sostituirlo al precedente xD) rende questi flashback davvero interessanti. Rileggendolo tutto d’un fiato, noterete anche voi che è scorrevole.
MATTIA IL DIVINO ha detto: Mah, resto ancora un po’ scettico che 4 scarsoni come i Kaioh siano riusciti a non crepare all’istante davanti a Bojack, che è decine di migliaia di volte più forte di loro. Personalmente, avrei modificato la scena del film (con la licenza stilistica che Salagir si è più volte preso) aggiungendo ai 4 anche il Grande Re Kaioh, sarebbe stato carino vedere una sua interazione con Snower.Il grande spreco è stato, secondo me, ritirare fuori Seggui, personaggio inutile e che stava bene morto, per farlo comunque crepare nel giro di 5 pagine. Ma il capitolo non è ancora finito, e Seggui può fare ancora qualcosa di utile.
MATTIA IL DIVINO ha detto: Mah, resto ancora un po’ scettico che 4 scarsoni come i Kaioh siano riusciti a non crepare all’istante davanti a Bojack, che è decine di migliaia di volte più forte di loro. Personalmente, avrei modificato la scena del film (con la licenza stilistica che Salagir si è più volte preso) aggiungendo ai 4 anche il Grande Re Kaioh, sarebbe stato carino vedere una sua interazione con Snower.Il grande spreco è stato, secondo me, ritirare fuori Seggui, personaggio inutile e che stava bene morto, per farlo comunque crepare nel giro di 5 pagine. Ma il capitolo non è ancora finito, e Seggui può fare ancora qualcosa di utile.
Condivido in pieno quel che dici, Daniele.
Anche il personaggio di Cold mi sembra un po’ sprecato, tuttavia è inevitabile visto che -300 anni dopo- il personaggio era ancora un idiota, con un potere immenso ma incapace di gestirlo. Salagir ha fatto un enorme lavoro nel costruire il trascorso di Cold, dovendo giustificare quanto scritto da Toriyama, in cui Cold è apparso ma è stato fatto fuori da Trunks in un capitolo. Come ha giustamente ricordato il buon PGV 2 qualche pagina fa, cosa potevamo aspettarci da uno che pensava la forza di Trunks derivasse dalla sua spada?! 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
15 May
Mah, resto ancora un po’ scettico che 4 scarsoni come i Kaioh siano riusciti a non crepare all’istante davanti a Bojack, che è decine di migliaia di volte più forte di loro. Personalmente, avrei modificato la scena del film (con la licenza stilistica che Salagir si è più volte preso) aggiungendo ai 4 anche il Grande Re Kaioh, sarebbe stato carino vedere una sua interazione con Snower.
E a proposito di Snower, visto come ha completamente dominato Bido, sembra essere anche più forte di Super Vegeta (dopo il suo primo giorno nella Stanza), chissà come è scomparso, magari salta fuori che è ancora vivo da qualche parte o che si è trasferito nell’aldilà dal Grande Re Kaioh! 1 Replie(s)
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E a proposito di Snower, visto come ha completamente dominato Bido, sembra essere anche più forte di Super Vegeta (dopo il suo primo giorno nella Stanza), chissà come è scomparso, magari salta fuori che è ancora vivo da qualche parte o che si è trasferito nell’aldilà dal Grande Re Kaioh! 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
15 May
Judging by the glove, it seems to be Seggui. “He really can’t die, can he?” And yet, Snower is such an undeniable MVP that he will almost certainly survive as well, either by delivering the finishing blow to Seggui or by carrying him back to the base once again.
I still remain somewhat skeptical about certain stylistic choices, such as the Kais being able to withstand Bojack’s aura without being blown away outright, or acting so brazenly toward Snower.
On that note, it seems that only the South Kai remained there—perhaps because the Jaykals’ planet lies within his quadrant?
The large female among the new Jaykals (the one killed by Bra in the U16 special) was roughly three times stronger than Bojack, so it is likely that Bojack himself still had room for further growth.
DB Multiverse page 2686
I still remain somewhat skeptical about certain stylistic choices, such as the Kais being able to withstand Bojack’s aura without being blown away outright, or acting so brazenly toward Snower.
On that note, it seems that only the South Kai remained there—perhaps because the Jaykals’ planet lies within his quadrant?
Ouroboros was saying:
Personally I believe would the treatment contiue it would have killed him. Bojack carried atleat four extra crystals among his neck he was asking for an overdoze.
The large female among the new Jaykals (the one killed by Bra in the U16 special) was roughly three times stronger than Bojack, so it is likely that Bojack himself still had room for further growth.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
14 May
Mr. Popo was saying:
C'è un motivo per cui al kaioh del sud è stata regalata una pistola? Purtroppo non sono ferrato sui filler dell'anime, quindi non ricordo se c'era qualche episodio in cui esternava questa passione.
Nella sezione inglese, un utente ha osservato che nella saga filler con Pikkon nel torneo dell’altro mondo, il Kaioh del Sud esibiva una pistola: https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/South_Kai
Queste scelte di riportare in auge i loro cimeli, con ironia, ricordano davvero le opere del buon Toriyama.
Acacia Avenue was saying:
Ok, Snower geniale ma qua forse si sta forzando un po' troppo la cosa... Mi sembra strano che sappia che esistono quattro Kaioh. Tecnicamente i DDF vivono nella galassia del Nord, come fa a sapere che ce ne sono altre, e ognuna ha un Kaioh? Mi pare che un'informazione che il Kami della Terra sapeva a malapena.
Personalmente, non ci vedo nulla di male: Snower è l’imperatore dell’universo ed ha più di mille anni di esperienza, inoltre suo padre ha avuto a che fare direttamente coi Re Kaioh, dove sta il problema nell’essere a conoscenza della loro esistenza? A maggior ragione se può disporre di maghi in grado di comunicare con l’oltretomba.
Comunque sia, non sono così sicuro che Snower risieda nella galassia del nord, probabilmente il suo impero si estende nelle varie galassie, ricordate che quando cercavano di resuscitare Crilin (e Goku) nel manga, il re Kaioh disse che Namek era al di là del suo territorio?
MATTIA IL DIVINO
14 May
Snower truly is an exceptional character, without question the most remarkable of all the Frost Demons introduced thus far! His elderly, intelligent, calculating, and authoritative demeanour brings to mind another great practitioner of realpolitik: Tywin Lannister, while his role as an emperor secretly backing the rebels is reminiscent of Palpatine.
The fact that he managed to corrupt all four Kais simultaneously, each without the others’ knowledge, is both brilliant and hilarious at the same time. Sometimes I’m still amazed by how perfectly Toriyama-esque certain choices feel!
On a side note: the French and Italian versions state that the four Kais brought the matter before their leader, whereas the English version seems to suggest that Snower himself spoke with him directly. 1 Replie(s)
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The fact that he managed to corrupt all four Kais simultaneously, each without the others’ knowledge, is both brilliant and hilarious at the same time. Sometimes I’m still amazed by how perfectly Toriyama-esque certain choices feel!
On a side note: the French and Italian versions state that the four Kais brought the matter before their leader, whereas the English version seems to suggest that Snower himself spoke with him directly. 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
12 May
A wonderful page! The reference to King Kai’s Cadillac is perfectly in keeping with Toriyama’s style. Sometimes I still find myself amazed at how faithfully certain choices capture the spirit of the original author :D
Once again, Snower proves to be the standout character of this special, and it is rather ironic that the Bojack specials only seem to generate real interest because of the Frost Demons.
I still remain somewhat skeptical about King Kai panicking at the sight of Freeza, while in the past he spoke to Snower in such a condescending tone despite the latter being tens of thousands of times stronger than him. Then again, King Kai ought to be several hundreds of millions of years old, so he has likely seen the birth and death of countless beings far stronger than himself. 1 Replie(s)
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Once again, Snower proves to be the standout character of this special, and it is rather ironic that the Bojack specials only seem to generate real interest because of the Frost Demons.
I still remain somewhat skeptical about King Kai panicking at the sight of Freeza, while in the past he spoke to Snower in such a condescending tone despite the latter being tens of thousands of times stronger than him. Then again, King Kai ought to be several hundreds of millions of years old, so he has likely seen the birth and death of countless beings far stronger than himself. 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
12 May
Bellissima pagina! La citazione alla Cadillac di Re Kaioh è davvero in perfetto stile Toriyama! A volte mi sorprendo ancora di quanto certe scelte siano perfettamente in linea con l’autore :D
Snower si rivela ancora una volta il miglior personaggio di questo special, ed è davvero ironico che gli special di Bojack suscitino interesse solo per i demoni del freddo.
Resto ancora un pochino scettico sul fatto che Re Kaioh si impanicasse osservando Freezer, mentre in passato parlava a Snower con tono di superiorità, nonostante quest’ultimo fosse decine di migliaia di volte più forte di lui. In effetti, tuttavia, il Re Kaioh dovrebbe avere diverse centinaia di milioni di anni, per cui avrà visto nascere e morire molta gente più forte di se stesso.
DB Multiverse page 2684
Snower si rivela ancora una volta il miglior personaggio di questo special, ed è davvero ironico che gli special di Bojack suscitino interesse solo per i demoni del freddo.
Resto ancora un pochino scettico sul fatto che Re Kaioh si impanicasse osservando Freezer, mentre in passato parlava a Snower con tono di superiorità, nonostante quest’ultimo fosse decine di migliaia di volte più forte di lui. In effetti, tuttavia, il Re Kaioh dovrebbe avere diverse centinaia di milioni di anni, per cui avrà visto nascere e morire molta gente più forte di se stesso.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
10 May
Finalmente questo colpo di scena! Per quanto possa non piacermi l’idea che degli scarsi come i re Kaioh (più deboli di Nappa) possano sigillare una banda di questo livello, il fatto che sia stato tutto un piano escogitato da Snower mi piace molto e rende questo personaggio ancor più speciale!
Certo, condivido tuttavia il pensiero di chi ritiene che si potesse correggere questo “errore” del film, aggiungendo anche il grande Re Kaioh, il quale ha già avuto a che fare col padre di Snower, pertanto un suo intervento qui avrebbe fornito un valore aggiunto alla vicenda.
La differenza di potenza è talmente grande (decine di migliaia di volte), che i Re Kaioh dovrebbero soccombere soltanto ad avvicinarsi all’aura di Bojack! 1 Replie(s)
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Certo, condivido tuttavia il pensiero di chi ritiene che si potesse correggere questo “errore” del film, aggiungendo anche il grande Re Kaioh, il quale ha già avuto a che fare col padre di Snower, pertanto un suo intervento qui avrebbe fornito un valore aggiunto alla vicenda.
La differenza di potenza è talmente grande (decine di migliaia di volte), che i Re Kaioh dovrebbero soccombere soltanto ad avvicinarsi all’aura di Bojack! 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
10 May
A fantastic twist! Much as I may dislike the idea that weaklings like the Kai Kings (beings weaker than Nappa) could seal away a gang of this caliber, the revelation that it was all part of a scheme devised by Snower is something I greatly appreciate, and it makes the character all the more remarkable.
That said, I do agree with those who believe this “flaw” from the film could have been corrected by including the Grand Kai as well. After all, he had already dealt with Snower’s father, so his involvement here would have added a great deal to the story.
The gap in power is so immense (tens of thousands of times over) that the Kai Kings ought to collapse merely from approaching Bojack’s aura! 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2683
That said, I do agree with those who believe this “flaw” from the film could have been corrected by including the Grand Kai as well. After all, he had already dealt with Snower’s father, so his involvement here would have added a great deal to the story.
The gap in power is so immense (tens of thousands of times over) that the Kai Kings ought to collapse merely from approaching Bojack’s aura! 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
5 May
Lady Maria was saying:
Seggui alla carica contro il grande Bojack come Immortal di Invincible con Omniman :3
È piuttosto una citazione a Berserk, quando Guts incontra Griffith dopo essere stato massacrato da lui. Temo inoltre che finirà allo stesso modo. D’altronde, Seggui sembra di poco superiore a Gokua e Yakichi, non ha speranze contro Bojack. E, visto che sappiamo che morirà comunque, speriamo sia una scena rapida e che non porti via troppe pagine. Bisogna ammettere che i disegni però sono fantastici.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
5 May
The artwork is stunning, kudos to the artist. Compared to some earlier specials, this is light-years ahead.
An obvious reference to Berserk, when Guts finally comes face to face with Griffith.
DB Multiverse page 2680
ddshunko11 was saying:
Sasuuukeeeeee !!!!
An obvious reference to Berserk, when Guts finally comes face to face with Griffith.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
4 May
Itan was saying:
Ah va bene, ti ringrazio.
Il flashback presumo sia il seguito di XXI.
Il flashback presumo sia il seguito di XXI.
Mi pare di sì, qualcuno dei piani alti (forse proprio Salagir) scrisse ciò.
Goku ssj3 multiverse was saying:
Oddio, due settimane a 4 pagine a settimana praticamente arriviamo ad una quarantina di pagine scarse, mi pare quasi che sia il capitolo più lungo del manga… comunque Mattia dove lo hai visto se che mancano altre sue settimane se posso chiedere?
L’ha scritto uno dei moderatori nella sezione inglese.
Oddio, due settimane a 4 pagine a settimana praticamente arriviamo ad una quarantina di pagine scarse, mi pare quasi che sia il capitolo più lungo del manga… comunque Mattia dove lo hai visto se che mancano altre sue settimane se posso chiedere?
MATTIA IL DIVINO
3 May
Itan was saying:
Per come è impostata, questa potrebbe essere l'ultima pagina del capitolo...
No, durerà altre due settimane. A seguire, ci sarà tuttavia un nuovo capitolo flashback. 3 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
1 May
ZenBuu was saying:
Mr. Popo ha detto: È la citazione a qualche locandina di un film/videogioco? Perché sembra ispirato a qualcosa ma credo di non conoscere la provenienza.
Grazie per il chiarimento! Tuttavia, la cover originale era estremamente bella e, a mio avviso, migliore di questa rivisitazione.
Per mio gusto personale, questo è stato il combattimento che più mi è piaciuto nel torneo.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
1 May
ZenBuu was saying:
Tamamo-no-Bae was saying: Hm? Why is he wearing human clothes? Isn't it meant to be Emperor Vegeta?
This is a sixth sense reference.
SoyBear was saying: God these covers are so fun 😊
Glad you like them, we put a lot of thoughts behind those. ☺️
This is a sixth sense reference.
SoyBear was saying: God these covers are so fun 😊
Glad you like them, we put a lot of thoughts behind those. ☺️
Thank you for the clarification! That said, the original cover was exceptionally beautiful and, in my view, superior to this reinterpretation.
On a personal note, this was the fight I enjoyed most in the tournament :)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
27 April
In the comments on pages 1203 and 1704 (English section), Asura and Salagir confirm that Cold’s level at the DBM tournament—after Ginyu’s training—is close to Cell’s at the Cell Game, not to his “super-perfect” state after self-destruction. The novel therefore diverges from the comic in certain respects, for instance by placing Cold at SSJ2 level, which is not accurate.
I would also point out that, upon first transforming on Namek, Freeza was dozens of times weaker than when he reached 100%. By the same logic, a full-power Cold should be far stronger than Android 16—not merely on par with Semi-Perfect Cell, but potentially even stronger than Super Vegeta.
Accordingly, Snower at 100% could be stronger still, approaching the level of the early Cell Juniors. 2 Replie(s)
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I would also point out that, upon first transforming on Namek, Freeza was dozens of times weaker than when he reached 100%. By the same logic, a full-power Cold should be far stronger than Android 16—not merely on par with Semi-Perfect Cell, but potentially even stronger than Super Vegeta.
Accordingly, Snower at 100% could be stronger still, approaching the level of the early Cell Juniors. 2 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
27 April
Musrum was saying:
Snower sta schivando con facilità un Bido che dovrebbe tenere testa Vegeta SSJ post Cell Saga, che signore... Si continua a dimostrare il migliore dei demoni del freddo a differenza di suo figlio, un incapace che ha dovuto morire per permetterci di vedere il vero potenziale di un demone del freddo
Condivido in pieno. Aggiungo inoltre che questa scelta stilistica è perfettamente in linea con quanto propostoci da Toriyama: in cui Cold si è fatto ammazzare come un fesso da Trunks, senza neanche provare a trasformarsi e pensando invece che l’origine della forza risiedesse nella spada e non nel super saiyan.
Mi stupisce invece che Polar fosse così tanto superiore a Cold (sia nelle dimensioni che nella capacità di controllare la propria potenza) nonostante fossero teoricamente gemelli.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
24 April
PGV 2 was saying:
Rimango comunque del parere che Salagir farà uccidere Snower da Cold lontano da occhi indiscreti, dopo che sarà già stato ferito gravemente dalla Banda di Bojack naturalmente...
La tua “ostinazione” mi ricorda quella che avevi, quasi una decina d’anni fa, nel sostenere che Kakaroth non fosse immortale. Occhio agli errori di fissazione, ti condizionano e ti portano a un bias ;)
Itan was saying:
Ahahah ricordo l'utente e la sua rabbia per essere stato disegnato al fine di farle prendere al personaggio con il suo aspetto.
Salagir aveva promesso un'apparizione nel fumetto ma non aveva specificato questo particolare xD xD
Salagir aveva promesso un'apparizione nel fumetto ma non aveva specificato questo particolare xD xD
Ma quale rabbia, va là, si faceva per ridere ;)
Anzi, è stato divertente e un vanto poter apparire nel fumetto, da lettore di vecchia data quale sono. Pensa che l’anno scorso Salagir mi scrisse per celebrare i 10 anni dalla vincita del contest e disse che Asura ci tenne a far sì che fossi solo io a restare in piedi mentre Videl ci pestava. E a tal proposito, ci furono anche utenti che all’epoca scrissero commenti molto carini inerenti al fatto che “almeno il nostro Mattia è ancora in piedi”, ahahah
Ps: come disse Vegeta, la rabbia è il sentimento con cui Babidy prese possesso di noi ;)
Goku ssj3 multiverse was saying:
Addirittura prima che iniziasse la rivolta vera e propria e fu proprio quello che ne prese di più XD
Ti confondi con la ragazza spagnola, controlla pagina 1116 :D 3 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
22 April
Foxer was saying:
Nel romanzo quando Frosty stava per essere ucciso da Hanasia lui pensa al fatto che avrebbe potuto inventare delle forme di potenziamento come i saiyan, ik narratore diceva che il primo che lo avrebbe fatto sarebbe stato Cooler quindi di conseguenza non le ha inventate Snower
Potrebbe essere, tuttavia potrebbe anche esserci un cambio di programma in corso d’opera, come fin troppo spesso accade con le serie, manga e fumetti pubblicati nel corso di decenni.
Grazie per il chiarimento però, non ne ero a conoscenza.
PGV 2 was saying:
Ok rettifico quanto detto qui sopra.
Ho appena ricontrollato la tabella di Hanasia... e Salagir da bravo furbetto l'ha cambiata: ora non è più segnata la fine fatta da Snower, ed anzi il 507 (l'anno in cui si svolgono questi eventi) è lo stesso in cui i Kaioh hanno intrappolato la Banda di Bojack!
Qui potremmo davvero assistere in rapida successione alla sconfitta di Snower e all'intrappolamento della Banda...
Ho appena ricontrollato la tabella di Hanasia... e Salagir da bravo furbetto l'ha cambiata: ora non è più segnata la fine fatta da Snower, ed anzi il 507 (l'anno in cui si svolgono questi eventi) è lo stesso in cui i Kaioh hanno intrappolato la Banda di Bojack!
Qui potremmo davvero assistere in rapida successione alla sconfitta di Snower e all'intrappolamento della Banda...
Eh, vedi: se l’autore cambia idea, apporta delle rapide modifiche. Questi sono retcon fatti bene.
In effetti questo special è ambientato nell’anno 507, l’anno in cui i Kaiohshin si sbarazzarono della banda di Bojack (pagina 554, solo il Kaiohshin del Sud poteva competere con un avversario al livello di Darbula). Negli altri universi, sarebbe carino vedere arrivare anche Babidy a questo punto, per impossessarsi della banda di Bojack, costringendo anche i re Kaioh ad intervenire per sigillarlo. Ricordo che, a questo punto della storia, anche Darbula inviò degli ispettori sulla Terra. Magari Salagir vuole chiarire anche quel dato, menzionato nella storia originale ma mai più sviluppato. 2 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
22 April
What a twist! The page is damn well drawn! An enhanced Seggui might even be stronger than Snower. I say this because it seems unlikely that Snower would be vastly stronger than what Ginyu managed to make of Cold after such grueling training. As things stand, it doesn’t look like much of a contest between Bojack and Snower.
Seggui has been upgraded with Imperial technology, I can spot a clear nod to Darth Vader from Star Wars.
I’d read that as well, but it struck me as a bit odd that they could truly be twins. I agree it would make King Snower all the more exceptional; however, Polar appears markedly superior to Cold for a supposed twin—both in sheer size and in his ability to control his own power. 2 Replie(s)
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Seggui has been upgraded with Imperial technology, I can spot a clear nod to Darth Vader from Star Wars.
iron leaf was saying:
Funny you should ask. Polar and Cold were actually born in the same year. Age -53 (DBM continuity). That’s also a first, because typically, even in DBM lore, the intervals between a Frostdemon giving birth to a new child are incredibly long, at least several decades. Snower proves that he truly is an incredible OC. Whether Polar and Cold were actually born at the same time or separately but simply in the same year, we don’t know
I’d read that as well, but it struck me as a bit odd that they could truly be twins. I agree it would make King Snower all the more exceptional; however, Polar appears markedly superior to Cold for a supposed twin—both in sheer size and in his ability to control his own power. 2 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
21 April
PGV 2 was saying:
Aspetta... Metal Seggui?! O_O
La barba è la sua, parla di "Traditori" rivolti alla Banda di Bojack... potenzialmente è lui O_O
Magari Seggui è sopravvissuto ed è scappato da Jayna, dove è stato trovato da Snower e l'ha trasformato in un Cyborg...
Se così fosse, grande colpo di scena *_* e la Banda di Bojack sarebbe nella merda.
Prima di tutti i potenziamenti Seggui era secondo solo a Bojack, ora in forma Metal probabilmente è più forte di Bido (il secondo più forte al momento) oppure gli è pari... e con Snower con lui, senza Bojack hanno la vittoria assicurata in pratica.
E per me comunque Cold non è nascosto, Snower ne è convinto ma Cold è lì, ed ammazzerà Snower di nascosto appena ne avrà l'opportunità...
La barba è la sua, parla di "Traditori" rivolti alla Banda di Bojack... potenzialmente è lui O_O
Magari Seggui è sopravvissuto ed è scappato da Jayna, dove è stato trovato da Snower e l'ha trasformato in un Cyborg...
Se così fosse, grande colpo di scena *_* e la Banda di Bojack sarebbe nella merda.
Prima di tutti i potenziamenti Seggui era secondo solo a Bojack, ora in forma Metal probabilmente è più forte di Bido (il secondo più forte al momento) oppure gli è pari... e con Snower con lui, senza Bojack hanno la vittoria assicurata in pratica.
E per me comunque Cold non è nascosto, Snower ne è convinto ma Cold è lì, ed ammazzerà Snower di nascosto appena ne avrà l'opportunità...
Ricordo che sei sempre stato convinto di questo tradimento alle spalle che Cold tramava. Per carità, sarebbe anche in linea col suo tentativo di eliminare Trunks facendosi consegnare la spada, però sarebbe davvero ridondante dal momento che abbiamo già visto Cooler voler uccidere il proprio padre nel suo special (pagina 1082). Inoltre, anche Snower ha fatto lo stesso, nel romanzo. Dal momento che Snower invece sta per sacrificarsi proteggendo il figlio, sarebbe assolutamente pleonastico far intervenire Cold ora.
È più probabile che Snower venga sconfitto dalla nuova potenza di Bojack, riuscendo ad eliminare solo Yakichi. Sarebbe a mio avviso molto carino se Snower rivelasse di essere il primo Demone ad aver sbloccato la forma di potenziamento, altrimenti il divario con un avversario al livello di Cell mi sembra troppo marcato.
E a proposito, se non erro eri sempre tu a redigere le pagine wiki di DBM, stavo cercando chi fosse più vecchio tra Polar e Cold e ho notato che non sono più state aggiornate: è ancora riportato che probabilmente è stato Cold ad eliminare Polar e Snower, mentre invece è noto ormai da anni che non sia così. 3 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
20 April
A truly striking entrance for Snower—now we’ll see who the guy with him turns out to be (hopefully not Seggui; bringing back already-dead characters would feel a bit forced).
Cold once again proves himself the underachiever of the family—the only one of the three unable to control his fighting form. Frankly, I fully agree with this characterization given to him by Salagir, since even in the original manga Cold was killed by Trunks without ever transforming or putting up a fight, thereby showing just how much of his potential went to waste.
As for Snower, for the sake of the plot he will likely end up even stronger than the Cold trained by Ginyu in DBM. In fact, it would be a really neat twist if it turned out that Snower—not Cooler—was the first to discover the augmentation forms.
Has it ever been stated who was older between Polar and Cold? Given the former’s enormous size and the fact that Polar was able to maintain control, I like to think that Cold is the younger brother—less powerful and less experienced.
Let’s hope they fix it 2 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2672
Cold once again proves himself the underachiever of the family—the only one of the three unable to control his fighting form. Frankly, I fully agree with this characterization given to him by Salagir, since even in the original manga Cold was killed by Trunks without ever transforming or putting up a fight, thereby showing just how much of his potential went to waste.
As for Snower, for the sake of the plot he will likely end up even stronger than the Cold trained by Ginyu in DBM. In fact, it would be a really neat twist if it turned out that Snower—not Cooler—was the first to discover the augmentation forms.
Has it ever been stated who was older between Polar and Cold? Given the former’s enormous size and the fact that Polar was able to maintain control, I like to think that Cold is the younger brother—less powerful and less experienced.
Hector Fenwick was saying:
Corrections...
"And who'se the big one?" --> "And who's the big one?"
"Cold doesn't master his combat forms" --> "Cold hasn't mastered his combat forms"
"And who'se the big one?" --> "And who's the big one?"
"Cold doesn't master his combat forms" --> "Cold hasn't mastered his combat forms"
Let’s hope they fix it 2 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
30 March
This scene strongly recalls the moment when Cell slammed Vegeta to the ground, knocking him unconscious and forcing him out of his transformation:
https://weebcentral.com/chapters/01J76XYY7005NXKFZ0PD31N9BJ
Vegeta Tales page 98
https://weebcentral.com/chapters/01J76XYY7005NXKFZ0PD31N9BJ
MATTIA IL DIVINO
24 March
Joseph9281 was saying:
There is justification. Frieza is a prodigy. Goku and vegeta aren't, in comparison to frieza. there are levels
and Golden F is part of Dragon Ball Z.
There is justification. Frieza is a prodigy. Goku and vegeta aren't, in comparison to frieza. there are levels
and Golden F is part of Dragon Ball Z.
Please, let’s avoid this kind of reasoning. The whole “prodigy” concept is nothing more than a retcon—and, at that, a rather poorly executed one…
MATTIA IL DIVINO
24 March
DrewSaga was saying:
Bo-ain't-got-jack.
Though it looks like Frost Demons are not the only species in the universe that suffers from pure hubris. Jaykals are too. They are the same species that thought they were gonna throw hands with Vegetto after all (in U16).
Like I am sure that they could already take on Snower and Cold without Bojack's help with the Level 2 of the experiment and volunteers who are not like fucking Bojack.
And yes, I am measuring it by levels:
— Level 1: was the experiment Bojack, Bido and the other members of the gang got as well as a few others. Allowed the Bojack gang (with large casualties) to beat Polar.
— Level 2: Looks to be the one that puts Bojack around Cell's level of power. Which does make Bojack a universal threat and likely the one to kill Snower in the process.
— Level 3: The level of experiment the Jaykal fighters took in the U16 special, power great enough that Bra (at 12 Years Old) was forced to push herself to SSJ2 to beat them. This must be SSJ3-level at least, maybe even Mystic.
Though it looks like Frost Demons are not the only species in the universe that suffers from pure hubris. Jaykals are too. They are the same species that thought they were gonna throw hands with Vegetto after all (in U16).
Like I am sure that they could already take on Snower and Cold without Bojack's help with the Level 2 of the experiment and volunteers who are not like fucking Bojack.
And yes, I am measuring it by levels:
— Level 1: was the experiment Bojack, Bido and the other members of the gang got as well as a few others. Allowed the Bojack gang (with large casualties) to beat Polar.
— Level 2: Looks to be the one that puts Bojack around Cell's level of power. Which does make Bojack a universal threat and likely the one to kill Snower in the process.
— Level 3: The level of experiment the Jaykal fighters took in the U16 special, power great enough that Bra (at 12 Years Old) was forced to push herself to SSJ2 to beat them. This must be SSJ3-level at least, maybe even Mystic.
Hmm, to be frank, I think your analysis is somewhat overstated. The Jaykals—even with the enhancement they received in the latest Universe 16 special—remain well short of the Mystic form. At twelve, Bra finally surpassed Gohan in power and annihilated all three Jaykals in an instant—those same Jaykals who were far stronger than Goten, who, however, is notably underwhelming in DBM, likely around the level of the Dai Ni Dankai, yet still below the full-power Super Saiyan with which Goku and Gohan managed to contend with Cell. Only the large woman was on par with ssj1 Bra; the other two were clearly weaker.
Drawing a comparison between Bra as a Super Saiyan 2 and Mystic Gohan, and considering that she was able to dispatch all three of them instantly as shown on Page 1789, I would say that the larger Jaykal was roughly at the level of Fat Majin Bu—placing all three firmly below Super Saiyan 3, and more plausibly within the Super Saiyan 2 range.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
19 March
仅是剑客 was saying:
Because the myth of Super Saiyan is "the most powerful entity in the universe," nobody knows how strong a Super Saiyan would actually be.
The initial expectation for Frieza's training was to increase his first form's power beyond 1 million, so Frieza himself doesn't know the true extent of his potential.
Your analysis is pure hindsight bias: using the reader's perspective from later chapters (over 30 years later) to criticize a character's decision from several arcs earlier.
The initial expectation for Frieza's training was to increase his first form's power beyond 1 million, so Frieza himself doesn't know the true extent of his potential.
Your analysis is pure hindsight bias: using the reader's perspective from later chapters (over 30 years later) to criticize a character's decision from several arcs earlier.
Although I had considered these points myself—namely, that the legend spoke of an invincible warrior—Frieza nonetheless remained confident in his ability to defeat Goku, even as a Super Saiyan. Coola and King Cold, for their part, proved to be of the same mind. After all, the gap in power between them was marginal, and so their confidence in victory was not without justification.
A wholly different matter, however, is the utterly unworthy handling of power scaling in Dragon Ball Super, where Frieza requires only a few months to attain a godlike level. To defend such a misstep isn’t a sign of objectivity. 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
19 March
SeanPaul2389 was saying:
I know some people want to see Vegeta take another classic Vegeta Android Saga L, but he can't for story reasons. One thing this fan comic has to keep consistent is Vegeta's mindset. At the point of his fight with #19 and #18 his Super Saiyan awakening has him fully believing that he is the strongest person in the universe, he fully believes he's back where he's supposed to be, the top. It bloats his pride so much that when someone actually beats him, he's it shakes him to his core, he goes off, has a "mini"-tantrum and begins wondering how Super Saiyan could have lost. So, with that in mind this fight has to maintain Vegeta's idea that he's the best. He can struggle a little, but this fight cannot do anything to break that belief.
You are right, I completely agree with you.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
16 March
A terrible choice to use the coloured forms! Much as I admire the author for his work, I cannot help but offer the following criticism: the power scaling in DBS is so absurd that it borders on an insult to human intelligence. By contrast, Dragon Ball Multiverse has followed a far more plausible and coherent logic when it comes to the evolution of Freeza and his family.
True Dragon Ball fans recoil at the sight of Super and its narrative choices—among them the decision to turn a failure like Freeza into the strongest of them all. For thirty years he lived in fear of the coming of the Super Saiyan, a warrior only marginally stronger than himself—when, apparently, all it would have taken was a handful of weeks for him to reach a level billions of times greater? 2 Replie(s)
Vegeta Tales page 92
True Dragon Ball fans recoil at the sight of Super and its narrative choices—among them the decision to turn a failure like Freeza into the strongest of them all. For thirty years he lived in fear of the coming of the Super Saiyan, a warrior only marginally stronger than himself—when, apparently, all it would have taken was a handful of weeks for him to reach a level billions of times greater? 2 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
15 March
Finally, King Snower makes his appearance! He looks strikingly aged; this form of his is rather difficult to make out, resembling the most diminished of Frieza’s reduction forms. King Cold, by contrast, remains quite the imposing figure—muscular and powerful as ever.
That said, this line of his does not quite align with the conduct he later displays, when instead of training he simply rests on his laurels. Ginyu, after all, made far better use of that formidable body than he ever did… 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2651
That said, this line of his does not quite align with the conduct he later displays, when instead of training he simply rests on his laurels. Ginyu, after all, made far better use of that formidable body than he ever did… 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
27 February
A fantastic page, both for its plot developments and its exceptionally well-crafted artwork!
I completely agree with your assessment. Regardless of our personal preferences, this was the most logical and well-founded choice. Another plausible alternative might have been Gohan and Piccolo, especially since Gohan should, in theory, be considerably stronger than Emperor Vegeta.
That said, Piccolo couldn’t even keep up with Perfect Cell, so there’s simply no realistic scenario in which he could withstand Kakarotto as a powered-up SSJ2. Goten, on the other hand, managed to hold his own remarkably well. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2642
iron leaf was saying:
Because Son Bra is de facto the strongest fighter in the U16/U18 base camp right now. Logically speaking this makes the most sense. Additionally, they probably used Kai Kai to teleport to Pan's Ki explosion and from there the found them by sight and landed here. Nobody else could arrive as quickly as Son Bra.
I completely agree with your assessment. Regardless of our personal preferences, this was the most logical and well-founded choice. Another plausible alternative might have been Gohan and Piccolo, especially since Gohan should, in theory, be considerably stronger than Emperor Vegeta.
That said, Piccolo couldn’t even keep up with Perfect Cell, so there’s simply no realistic scenario in which he could withstand Kakarotto as a powered-up SSJ2. Goten, on the other hand, managed to hold his own remarkably well. 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
21 February
How is Emperor Vegeta only as strong as Vegeta18 ssj 2, while the former could fight toe to toe with Gast during his match against Raichi??
I prefer to think that Emperor Vegeta is genuinely powerful, even if not quite on the same level as his kind-hearted counterpart. In fact, it would have been rather compelling if he too had been possessed by Babidi in his own universe, thereby reaching Super Saiyan 2—only to betray the wizard once again and perhaps even kill Dabra. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2638
I prefer to think that Emperor Vegeta is genuinely powerful, even if not quite on the same level as his kind-hearted counterpart. In fact, it would have been rather compelling if he too had been possessed by Babidi in his own universe, thereby reaching Super Saiyan 2—only to betray the wizard once again and perhaps even kill Dabra. 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
30 December
The Vegeta of this universe is still alive, driven by his ambition to surpass Gast’s power. I suspect we may witness a Majin Vegeta here as well. If so, Gast will be forced to eliminate him, along with Dabra and Buu.
As for Gohan and the Earthlings, they will most likely perish. While it would be pleasant to see them survive, their deaths would ultimately seem the more plausible outcome.
DB Multiverse page 2609
As for Gohan and the Earthlings, they will most likely perish. While it would be pleasant to see them survive, their deaths would ultimately seem the more plausible outcome.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
16 November
A remarkably intriguing development! Tournaments and the quest for the Dragon Balls have always been enduring themes within the narrative.
An excellent point! However, this would render the technique rather underpowered. Moreover, some characters could simply accelerate and escape it—for instance, Vegetto perceives the wave approaching and instantaneously teleports far away, thus avoiding any effect.
From I’K’L’s conversation with Yamcha, it appeared that XXI was likewise alive and frozen. I’K’L possessed an exceptional clairvoyance, capable of reading everyone’s thoughts even before his birth.
DB Multiverse page 2586
ChrisOfChaos was saying:
Venkolm was saying: Wait, the Anti-Life spell... it probably has range, since we saw Uub and his GF unaffected?
Since it can be countered by vibrations, it seems like the technique can only spread across matter. There's no matter in space so it wouldn't be able to spread that far.
Since it can be countered by vibrations, it seems like the technique can only spread across matter. There's no matter in space so it wouldn't be able to spread that far.
An excellent point! However, this would render the technique rather underpowered. Moreover, some characters could simply accelerate and escape it—for instance, Vegetto perceives the wave approaching and instantaneously teleports far away, thus avoiding any effect.
SSJ2 Your Nick was saying:
XXI, unaffected by the freeze as he is supposedly not a living thing, explodes from the punch and matter goes everywhere.
Matter kills some frozen people, as they are vulnerable when frozen. Some remain alive but frozen, Piccolo(s) and Cell figured out a counter, others might have also. South Kaioshin is also around.
As for XXI surviving, it's probably best to think of him as a conscious black hole storm thing. He eats matter, and seems to have some degree of dominion over what he absorbs, hence why he could summon Janemba. The old man is just some guy he ate at some point and is using the body as an avatar.
XXI, unaffected by the freeze as he is supposedly not a living thing, explodes from the punch and matter goes everywhere.
Matter kills some frozen people, as they are vulnerable when frozen. Some remain alive but frozen, Piccolo(s) and Cell figured out a counter, others might have also. South Kaioshin is also around.
As for XXI surviving, it's probably best to think of him as a conscious black hole storm thing. He eats matter, and seems to have some degree of dominion over what he absorbs, hence why he could summon Janemba. The old man is just some guy he ate at some point and is using the body as an avatar.
From I’K’L’s conversation with Yamcha, it appeared that XXI was likewise alive and frozen. I’K’L possessed an exceptional clairvoyance, capable of reading everyone’s thoughts even before his birth.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
13 September
ZenBuu was saying:
Reference from Naruto:
A wonderful tribute to Kishimoto’s magnum opus. I haven’t read the novel, but the moment I saw this page, that scene instantly came to mind.
The only thing that feels slightly off, in my view, is the expression on Gohan and Vegeta: these characters should project a far greater sense of composure.
Congratulations on such excellent work!
MATTIA IL DIVINO
11 July 2025
As for the unnamed universe, Gast is most likely referring to XXI himself. After all, not only did the Supreme Kai personally warn him, but Gast also directly faced XXI’s threat, someone who tried to consume him outright, notwithstanding the rules. And let’s not forget: the first time the dragon was summoned, in page 956, XXI made his thoughts perfectly clear. It’s obvious that Gast is deeply wary of his true intentions.
DB Multiverse page 2515
MATTIA IL DIVINO
11 July 2025
Mary Bra was saying:
I like DBM but sometimes they have their priorities skewed. Why are we focusing on random spectators instead of the characters? Why did no one react to Goku's loss? It's like it was another day in the office for everyone. Vegito suddenly doesn't care despite a major part of his character being his hatred of magic and what he considers to be cheap tricks overcoming strength. We haven't even seen Goku since he was revived. Can I at least get Vegeta's reaction to his rival/best friend being cheapshotted? He looked pretty upset, I'd like to see his thoughts.
Absolutely! The real issue here isn’t the death itself, but the fact that a mysterious figure—long established as the oldest and most dangerous enemy of the Supreme Kai (a being universally known among the main cast as pure-hearted and driven by justice)—has just claimed victory through a seemingly unstoppable power. And yet, no one seems to be giving this the gravity it deserves.
Instead, we’re handed these pointless, unfunny moments. It’s such a shame: this storyline had the potential for something far more impactful.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
19 June 2025
Super Namekian was saying:
We're finally here.
I first started reading this comic in 2008, (you can find my posts from back then on some of the early pages,) and for 17 years I have checked in weekly to see this story progress. The amount of dedication Salagir has shown to this project, and the perseverance to keep going despite countless pressures; artists moving on, the lack of money a fancomic raises, the commitment to releasing multiple pages per week for almost two decades, is astounding. Thank you Salagir for everything you have accomplished, and thank you the wider DBM team.
I wonder if the genius of this comic is fully recognised. Salagir would have had to have known from the start the end fight would be Goku vs Xxi, the semi-finals Goku vs Vegeta, the quarter-finals Goku vs Uub. He then had to design the whole tournament to ask essentially every What-If scenario and every X vs Y question the DBZ fandom has had for decades. Was Nail stronger than Recuum? What would a fifth form Freeza look like? Why were the future Androids weaker than the main timeline Androids? Could Cell beat Dabra? Does Krillin's keinzan beat Salza's salza blade? What if Goku never turned good, what if all of the Namekians fused? Salagir even used Dr Raichi's ghosts, Tapion, and now Xxi to pose additional questions with regards to Broly, the Saiyans, Hildegarn and Janemba. The Janemba one in particular sits with me - Salagir said 17 years ago that Janemba couldn't reasonably be at this tournament due to being uncontrollable, but he must have known that Janemba was going to exist towards the finale. He spent nearly 20 years keeping that secret.
This comic is a love letter not just to DBZ, but to the DBZ fandom, and could only have been written by someone with a deep, fundamental understanding of what makes DBZ great, of what makes people keep coming back to this story year after year. I do not think I have ever seen a fan-led project have anywhere near as much earnest heart as this.
Now - it might be that the conclusion still takes some years - but as we are reaching the conclusion I want to put on record the years of absolute joy this project has brought me. I reread it in its entirety every year or two. I think it will stand the testiment of time. And I cannot wait to see how it ends.
I first started reading this comic in 2008, (you can find my posts from back then on some of the early pages,) and for 17 years I have checked in weekly to see this story progress. The amount of dedication Salagir has shown to this project, and the perseverance to keep going despite countless pressures; artists moving on, the lack of money a fancomic raises, the commitment to releasing multiple pages per week for almost two decades, is astounding. Thank you Salagir for everything you have accomplished, and thank you the wider DBM team.
I wonder if the genius of this comic is fully recognised. Salagir would have had to have known from the start the end fight would be Goku vs Xxi, the semi-finals Goku vs Vegeta, the quarter-finals Goku vs Uub. He then had to design the whole tournament to ask essentially every What-If scenario and every X vs Y question the DBZ fandom has had for decades. Was Nail stronger than Recuum? What would a fifth form Freeza look like? Why were the future Androids weaker than the main timeline Androids? Could Cell beat Dabra? Does Krillin's keinzan beat Salza's salza blade? What if Goku never turned good, what if all of the Namekians fused? Salagir even used Dr Raichi's ghosts, Tapion, and now Xxi to pose additional questions with regards to Broly, the Saiyans, Hildegarn and Janemba. The Janemba one in particular sits with me - Salagir said 17 years ago that Janemba couldn't reasonably be at this tournament due to being uncontrollable, but he must have known that Janemba was going to exist towards the finale. He spent nearly 20 years keeping that secret.
This comic is a love letter not just to DBZ, but to the DBZ fandom, and could only have been written by someone with a deep, fundamental understanding of what makes DBZ great, of what makes people keep coming back to this story year after year. I do not think I have ever seen a fan-led project have anywhere near as much earnest heart as this.
Now - it might be that the conclusion still takes some years - but as we are reaching the conclusion I want to put on record the years of absolute joy this project has brought me. I reread it in its entirety every year or two. I think it will stand the testiment of time. And I cannot wait to see how it ends.
I could scarcely have expressed it more eloquently, my friend. I’ve been following this remarkable work for over 16 years now, and I often find myself reflecting on how deeply DBM has woven itself into the fabric of my daily life—indeed, it has accompanied me for more than half of it.
Salagir has not been without his detractors, yet his unwavering commitment and creative vision remain genuinely commendable and, in many ways, aspirational.
As for the cover, once again, superb. The long-awaited coloring of the normal ssj form is finally here, and the homage to the original Dragon Ball, with its iconic three tournaments, is a masterstroke of narrative and visual resonance.
To Salagir and the entire DBM team: my heartfelt gratitude for your enduring dedication and the countless hours of passion you’ve poured into this project. For all the hard work up until now, you have my eternal thanks!
MATTIA IL DIVINO
1 June 2025
Ok, so chapter 100 was not trustworthy, good to know. Thus, Raditz is actually stronger than South “by far”, and stronger than his Vegeta as well. I hope he didn’t reach Gohan’s strength, though.
As for this page, it implies South is still good-hearted, and not possessed by evilness.
For what concerns the innocents, Raditz could get rid of Vegeta and Nappa, and make Kakarotto kill the innocents. We know they defeated their version of Broly but we know nothing about Kaiohshin and Kibith, maybe they died in the fight against Babidy and his Majin Vegeta (thus explaining why he was already so strong).
DB Multiverse page 2499
As for this page, it implies South is still good-hearted, and not possessed by evilness.
For what concerns the innocents, Raditz could get rid of Vegeta and Nappa, and make Kakarotto kill the innocents. We know they defeated their version of Broly but we know nothing about Kaiohshin and Kibith, maybe they died in the fight against Babidy and his Majin Vegeta (thus explaining why he was already so strong).
MATTIA IL DIVINO
25 May 2025
How could Raditz be stronger than South, if the latter went toe to toe to Bu and pushed him to absorb him, something which not even Majin Vegeta could do. Furthermore, Kaiohshin already foresaw Raditz and Kakarotto couldn’t do anything against ssj3 Vegeta.
Hence, Mystic Raditz should be high Ssj2 tier, just like South. Then again, how is he “stronger by far”?
DB Multiverse page 2496
Hence, Mystic Raditz should be high Ssj2 tier, just like South. Then again, how is he “stronger by far”?
MATTIA IL DIVINO
7 May 2025
ChrisOfChaos was saying:
I wonder if Bra would have the same weakness if she became as strong as her father? Or if it's just a flaw in the way fusion handles power.
There’s the interesting theory of them needing senzu because of Vegeta’s dead soul. If you think about it, Vegeth is half-dead, as a fusion between a living soul and a dead one. It could be that he suffers from metabolic disorders and that his need of senzu is rather due to its effect on restoring health from the verge of death, than to the hunger satiety.
Likewise, Bra is 1/4-dead, so she suffers less from that issue.
And now that we think about it: the old Kaiohshin should have noted (according to his divine clairvoyance) that both Goku and Vegeth are the two characters blessed by his same soul. In the Bu’s fight on Earth, Kaiohshin offered Goku his own soul to enable him to come back. It could have been a nice occasion to exploit this plot device as a deus-ex-machina. For example, thanks to that, Kaiohshin could power-up Goku immediately or stuff like that. Such a pity the old man didn’t share a thought about it in these pages. Who knows, maybe that’s even the agreement Vegeth talked about in page 2486 ;) 2 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
27 April 2025
Dantas1996 was saying:
XXI continues to attack Gast even after he surrenders, according to the rules that Gast cited he should be disqualified
Just thought the same, either the authors forgot or Gast turned so dumb to ignore such a fact.
kingworld was saying:
What was Goku supposed to answer in order to make the Old Kaioshin happy?
"Hey you must win but you have no hopes and I cannot power you up"
"I'll do my very best!"
"You're so stupid"
What was the Old Kaio hoping to hear?!
"Hey you must win but you have no hopes and I cannot power you up"
"I'll do my very best!"
"You're so stupid"
What was the Old Kaio hoping to hear?!
Yeah, I didn’t really get it either. This conversation made no sense, unless the Old Kaiohshin had been about to suggest something else. Unfortunately, I guess it’s the former, as we’ve already witnessed a lot of conversations which made no sense, in this comic (such as Goten complaining on Goku for not telling them about Bu’s particles in his fight against XXI, notwithstanding it had literally just happened…) 2 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
14 April 2025
In my opinion, this Cell should be quite weaker than his counterpart in the main timeline, he didn’t get the strongest beings’ cells, that is Freeza and Cold, nor did he witness the Saiyans’ true strength, which means no ssj and no teleportation from Goku. Yet, Gero’s leadership could have made him improve his studies thus achieving an even higher power. We’ll just have to wait and see.
At any rate, this Cell shouldn’t be able to survive in space, without the Frost demons’ ability, and therefore he could be not the monster-lizard who threatened the whole space. Actually, the latter could be Hirudegarn!
This, or Cell defeats Gast or flees from him and escapes to space. It’d also be cool if Cell is the one who kills Gero here, we never saw him betray his creator, unlike the cyborgs.
DB Multiverse page 2480
At any rate, this Cell shouldn’t be able to survive in space, without the Frost demons’ ability, and therefore he could be not the monster-lizard who threatened the whole space. Actually, the latter could be Hirudegarn!
This, or Cell defeats Gast or flees from him and escapes to space. It’d also be cool if Cell is the one who kills Gero here, we never saw him betray his creator, unlike the cyborgs.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
5 February 2025
AberrantDesign was saying:
It would've been nice, but I think Gast understands it's their word against XXI's. He doesn't have any real proof, so it'd just be a waste of time. On the bright side, now someone knows XXI's nature as a devourer and can start slowly peeling away at this character
It would've been nice, but I think Gast understands it's their word against XXI's. He doesn't have any real proof, so it'd just be a waste of time. On the bright side, now someone knows XXI's nature as a devourer and can start slowly peeling away at this character
Not at all: the Kaiohshin, who are the supreme ruler of the tournament and whose Authority is the highest one in the tournament, can check if Gast is telling the truth or not, and he obviously is. As for XXI, I’K’L could read his mind so he is not as almighty as he is supposed to be (on the contrary, actually) so the Kaiohshin could check him too. At any rate, Yamcha and the old Kaiohshin should heed the call and speak their mind as well. Unfortunately, the writing here is quite unlikely… 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
29 January 2025
Xeno was saying:
After some gorgeous pages, thank god Asura exists, we're back to the plot and imo it makes little sense as usual.
Sorry but what exactly makes Bra say that? I feel like I'm missing King Kai commenting and explaining the battles, cause I understand nothing. How do we go from "just go 10 times faster" to "I couldn't beat him myself"? Did they power up at some point with nothing showing it? They were battling at 1/10th of their power and she didn't notice? I'm not even sure which one would be worse.
Moreover, what even is going on with Gast? He just almost died, lost his wish, and failed both u16 and u19... and he's just like "yeah whatever gonna sleep"? Did everyone became a DBS characters just to move the plot or what?
Sorry but what exactly makes Bra say that? I feel like I'm missing King Kai commenting and explaining the battles, cause I understand nothing. How do we go from "just go 10 times faster" to "I couldn't beat him myself"? Did they power up at some point with nothing showing it? They were battling at 1/10th of their power and she didn't notice? I'm not even sure which one would be worse.
Moreover, what even is going on with Gast? He just almost died, lost his wish, and failed both u16 and u19... and he's just like "yeah whatever gonna sleep"? Did everyone became a DBS characters just to move the plot or what?
Terrible development! Bra corrected herself afterwards but Janenba’s feats were nothing special, as she just bragged about increasing 10 times your speed and stuff. Her statement now is totally out of the line.
However, Gast’s idiocy is even worse, it just looks like a way to send him away for plot reasons, but that’s just ridiculous. In all likelihood, he should have shared all his infos immediately, at least with the good guys and to those stronger than him. Let’s just hope there’s more to unfold, otherwise the plot has really fallen down…
MATTIA IL DIVINO
2 December 2024
Congrats on your outstanding job, Goten-kun! It was a really enjoyable tale, I’m looking forward to the Tambo-verse even more than before! Going from 321Y to this point should have required a hell lot of time and pages, I suppose.
Furthermore, “what if “ are my favorite kind of spin-off, therefore I’m really curious to follow you on your next journey.
For all the hard work up until now, you have my eternal thanks! 1 Replie(s)
Namekseijin Densetsu page 561
Furthermore, “what if “ are my favorite kind of spin-off, therefore I’m really curious to follow you on your next journey.
For all the hard work up until now, you have my eternal thanks! 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
21 March 2024
megrez alberich was saying:
Such a dumb concept and a total misunderstanding of the twins' true nature and the source of their powers: their strength not only comes from their small perpetual energy reactor - which doesn't need any "maintenance" - but most importantly, from their genetically-modified cells. So no, 17 & 18 don't get weaker over time, quite the contrary. Which is precisely why Gero feared them so much: he had made them way too powerful, with a great dormant potential. A concept that was reused in GT and that Toriyama was finally able to exploit in Super.
Salagir messed up big time on that one.
Such a dumb concept and a total misunderstanding of the twins' true nature and the source of their powers: their strength not only comes from their small perpetual energy reactor - which doesn't need any "maintenance" - but most importantly, from their genetically-modified cells. So no, 17 & 18 don't get weaker over time, quite the contrary. Which is precisely why Gero feared them so much: he had made them way too powerful, with a great dormant potential. A concept that was reused in GT and that Toriyama was finally able to exploit in Super.
Salagir messed up big time on that one.
I read all your comments, you reasoned very well, thank you for having reminded everyone how things really are :)
Salagir’s statement didn’t clearly take into account the special chapter of Trunks, where 17 gave proof he was more than twice as strong as they used to think. Meanwhile, Trunks was unconscious, so he never witnessed that higher power. So yeah, in the original manga, cyborgs didn’t get weaker over time. However, the original series also had a lot of other flaws, hence why we can also “vary” some power levels according to the situations. I mean, in Bu’s saga, 18 fought and was almost scared of Goten and Trunks, were they really that strong? (Maybe they really were, as Piccolo was also scared by them…)
What I mean is that Salagir’s choice is likely enough to be accepted without any issue, as it’s not far-fetched at all.
Likewise, I’d recommend you not focus too much on Toriyama’s statement in 2014: I loved the man but it was just a retcon which we didn’t need to know after 20 years. And as far as I see it, DB Gt and DBS really overdid it: #17 reaching the ssj3 level just by fighting with some hunters??? C’mon, that’s beyond stupid and an insult to the common sense. How come were they trashed by Trunks when he got back after Cell’s death, then?
To conclude: cyborgs didn’t get weaker in Trunks’s timeline, but it’s ok if their energy is not infinite here in DBM. Seeing as they didn’t improve either, neither in the future nor in Bu’s saga, I’d say Salagir followed Dragon Ball’s integrity much more than DBS did ;)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
9 March 2024
What an idiot, C17, does he not realize I’K’L’ would have smashed him afterwards? Or is he so self-confident in taking him down? (Just as he thought with Cell in DBZ and versus Goku here in the tournament). I’m curious to check Yamcha’s power level: either he is stronger than C16, or C16 also got weaker during the years in the future timeline.
Rest in peace, Master Toriyama, absolute legend, the GoaT! His work impacted culture worldwide, and his legacy is priceless. For all the hard work up until now, you have my eternal thanks! 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2311
Rest in peace, Master Toriyama, absolute legend, the GoaT! His work impacted culture worldwide, and his legacy is priceless. For all the hard work up until now, you have my eternal thanks! 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
5 March 2024
goten-kun was saying:
Today was saying: Aren't kaioshin supposed to be super strong (like SSJ2 level)?
We just know Kaioshin was able to beat Freeza easily.^^
We just know Kaioshin was able to beat Freeza easily.^^
Sorry, goten-kun, but that’s ridiculous: when Kaioshin merged with Kibith, his strength clearly grew a lot, it was stated in the manga too. Furthermore, he was still a “boy” so some centuries have passed for him as well. According to DB (and DBM, flashback of universe4), Kibitoshin should be at least at Dabra’s level. 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
5 February 2023
We were told Cell had come to the tournament whilst hiding his true power. So he shouldn’t concern mystic Gohan at all.
DB Multiverse page 2151
MATTIA IL DIVINO
20 July 2022
Deus ex-machina!
Actually, there’s no way an Omni-potent god couldn’t prevent this from happening. Just remember he “read their minds and has their technology”, so he should be full capable of coming back.
At this point, I just hope he allowed them to send him back on purpose, I don’t see any other decent explanation… 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2060
Actually, there’s no way an Omni-potent god couldn’t prevent this from happening. Just remember he “read their minds and has their technology”, so he should be full capable of coming back.
At this point, I just hope he allowed them to send him back on purpose, I don’t see any other decent explanation… 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
15 June 2022
Wonderful art! As usual, congrats on Asura for drawing so well!
But is that really so? If he were that weak, Vegeth would have already owned him. To me, it looks like almost all parts of Bu are strong the same. This could seem paradoxical, as it’d point to infinite energy, yet this is what his magic would accomplish (and he promised not to use it after splitting himself).
On a side note: I wouldn’t really take power levels into account: in DBM they have been ignored quite too often, just remember that Vegeta ssj3 fought toe to toe with Gast, who was supposed to be Butenks’s level… 2 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2045
WukongTheMighty was saying:
This is a fun sequence, though this appears to be something of a confirmation as to each individual Buu's power level, with each copy being somewhat above the level of a weak Super Saiyan 2, but below the level of a weak Super Saiyan 3.
I say weak because Kakarot only just reached level 2 and this Vegeta only recently reached level 3, and I'm fairly certain they are weaker in base compared to U18 too.
Still, it's quite impressive from Buu to have so many copies each above the level of Kakarot.
He's not bothered in the slightest about Vegito because he knows he'll win a battle of attrition and is clearly just enjoying himself.
I can see the strongest of the Cell Jrs. being able to help a little because of Buu spreading himself so thin though.
I say weak because Kakarot only just reached level 2 and this Vegeta only recently reached level 3, and I'm fairly certain they are weaker in base compared to U18 too.
Still, it's quite impressive from Buu to have so many copies each above the level of Kakarot.
He's not bothered in the slightest about Vegito because he knows he'll win a battle of attrition and is clearly just enjoying himself.
I can see the strongest of the Cell Jrs. being able to help a little because of Buu spreading himself so thin though.
But is that really so? If he were that weak, Vegeth would have already owned him. To me, it looks like almost all parts of Bu are strong the same. This could seem paradoxical, as it’d point to infinite energy, yet this is what his magic would accomplish (and he promised not to use it after splitting himself).
On a side note: I wouldn’t really take power levels into account: in DBM they have been ignored quite too often, just remember that Vegeta ssj3 fought toe to toe with Gast, who was supposed to be Butenks’s level… 2 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
11 May 2022
UltraExtream was saying:
Pix was saying: I’m starting to think that Raditz dies here and on Page 1514 he’s one of Raichi’s ghosts, infiltrating the Saiyan empire
No, this was before Raichi attacked. He more than likely died during the Raichi extermination with Broly's attack.
No, this was before Raichi attacked. He more than likely died during the Raichi extermination with Broly's attack.
During their match, Baddack told Raditz he had died at the first occasion, hence why he shouldn’t make it out of this alive. Furthermore, as shown when Broly died, Raichi’s been collecting dying souls years before his attack, and Hanasia’s ghost is proof of that.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
9 May 2022
So, Raditz didn’t even recognize this namekian is much different from before? Lol
Furthermore, is his scouter there just for show? He should have already noticed his power is way higher than his own. As for that, from Guru’s words we could tell he is stronger than Nail. Then, Kami even trained to become god, he should be even stronger than Slug, who in DBM, even as old as he was in U3 special, was still at 100K. I’d put DKP between 90k and 150 k
On a side note, Baddack stated Raditz died at the first occasion, that is he should die here. The one we saw under Vegeta’s reign could be his ghost, which Raichi infiltrated within the Saiyan society. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2030
Furthermore, is his scouter there just for show? He should have already noticed his power is way higher than his own. As for that, from Guru’s words we could tell he is stronger than Nail. Then, Kami even trained to become god, he should be even stronger than Slug, who in DBM, even as old as he was in U3 special, was still at 100K. I’d put DKP between 90k and 150 k
On a side note, Baddack stated Raditz died at the first occasion, that is he should die here. The one we saw under Vegeta’s reign could be his ghost, which Raichi infiltrated within the Saiyan society. 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
30 March 2022
Ops, it looks like they skipped some pages: Kami was just attacking the boy, now this page makes no sense.
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DB Multiverse page 2013
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9 February 2022
Wonderful! I’m already enjoying the use of these pictures in the U9’s special currently worked on by Chewys! :D
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16 January 2022
You lot seem to forgot Bu already has the Varga tech (page 735), that’s why Gast suggested they send him back now that he’s sealed, hence unconscious and unable to free himself forever. Lol, does he really think Bu doesn’t have other pieces of himself back home?
At any rate, as useless as the fatso appears, he has a point: Bu is omnipotent, so there’s no point in fighting him.
My prediction is they get interrupted by some of the U9 members, whom were told to tell everyone about XXI’s menace (Old Kaiohshin isn’t there but he is watching, he always is).
DB Multiverse page 1989
At any rate, as useless as the fatso appears, he has a point: Bu is omnipotent, so there’s no point in fighting him.
My prediction is they get interrupted by some of the U9 members, whom were told to tell everyone about XXI’s menace (Old Kaiohshin isn’t there but he is watching, he always is).
MATTIA IL DIVINO
12 January 2022
This whole situation where the big boss seems to have betrayed his fellow life-long companions to team up with the frightful enemy gives me some AoT vibes:
I still hope Zen Bu has got a bigger role in this tournament, such as turning out to be the real inventor of the Varga technology, which he made them discover on their own. He chose the universe where the Grand Kaiohshin was still alive and in charge, in order to have him appear as the highest figure (even though he was still aware to be an omnipotent-god, unlike them, just like he stated in his last special).
DB Multiverse page 1987
with Zeke betraying the warriors’ squad and Eren betraying his own to ally with each other.
I still hope Zen Bu has got a bigger role in this tournament, such as turning out to be the real inventor of the Varga technology, which he made them discover on their own. He chose the universe where the Grand Kaiohshin was still alive and in charge, in order to have him appear as the highest figure (even though he was still aware to be an omnipotent-god, unlike them, just like he stated in his last special).
MATTIA IL DIVINO
8 January 2022
How you guys decided -from one page only- the Great Kaiohshin is giving Bu energy goes beyond my imagination…
Gast just noticed pieces of Bu coming from everywhere, thus he realized the Grand Kaiohshin wasn’t using his technique, which would gather all his pieces in one place.
Btw, I’m really liking the latest turn of events, let’s just hope this doesn’t go the asinine way as the previous fights.
On a side note, the Old Kaiohshin should be witnessing all this, as had he when he watched the events within the Room of Spirit and Time whilst strengthening Gohan.
DB Multiverse page 1985
Gast just noticed pieces of Bu coming from everywhere, thus he realized the Grand Kaiohshin wasn’t using his technique, which would gather all his pieces in one place.
Btw, I’m really liking the latest turn of events, let’s just hope this doesn’t go the asinine way as the previous fights.
On a side note, the Old Kaiohshin should be witnessing all this, as had he when he watched the events within the Room of Spirit and Time whilst strengthening Gohan.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
3 January 2022
A very nice idea! We are all curious to see how this unfolds, is XXI really the main villain of the story? How is that going to relate with Baddack’s visions of Vegetto’s rampage?
The tournament started randomly, almost for a “stupid reason” (the highest gods are there and some spectators just pay money? -_-), but so did the original DB as well, afterwards Toriyama retconned and introduced a backstory for the main character.
Likewise, we could think that Bu was the mastermind behind the Varga’s discoveries, just ‘cause he wanted to have fun. Then he and the Great Kaiohshin teamed up in order to face a hidden menace (most likely XXI himself, or something else).
As for the page, up until now we have seen only Goku/Piccolo (and Vegeta)‘s reactions. In my opinion, Vegetto/Bra, Yamcha should have been much more interested in this.
Oh, don’t forget that, despite the ritual, the Old Kaiohshin is watching, as was he during Bu Vs Gotenks and Piccolo in the other dimension. He and Bu’s clairvoyance allows them to witness the tournament from within their apartments.
DB Multiverse page 1983
The tournament started randomly, almost for a “stupid reason” (the highest gods are there and some spectators just pay money? -_-), but so did the original DB as well, afterwards Toriyama retconned and introduced a backstory for the main character.
Likewise, we could think that Bu was the mastermind behind the Varga’s discoveries, just ‘cause he wanted to have fun. Then he and the Great Kaiohshin teamed up in order to face a hidden menace (most likely XXI himself, or something else).
As for the page, up until now we have seen only Goku/Piccolo (and Vegeta)‘s reactions. In my opinion, Vegetto/Bra, Yamcha should have been much more interested in this.
Oh, don’t forget that, despite the ritual, the Old Kaiohshin is watching, as was he during Bu Vs Gotenks and Piccolo in the other dimension. He and Bu’s clairvoyance allows them to witness the tournament from within their apartments.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
29 December 2021
From his reactions, it looks like that is the spell to seal Bu.
At any rate, notwithstanding the last special concerning U1, it’d be cool if it had actually been Bu to discover the Multiverse tech, and pretended to have the Varga discover it, to team up with the Great Kaiohshin later.
This doesn’t really explain why they would bring universes such as Cell’s or Freeza’s, but if it was for the lolz of Bu, then it’s utterly understandable.
Furthermore, did you guys notice that the almighty Zen Bu was surprised when the break took place? It was in page 693, just before XXI’s match, who was most likely involved in that break. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1981
At any rate, notwithstanding the last special concerning U1, it’d be cool if it had actually been Bu to discover the Multiverse tech, and pretended to have the Varga discover it, to team up with the Great Kaiohshin later.
This doesn’t really explain why they would bring universes such as Cell’s or Freeza’s, but if it was for the lolz of Bu, then it’s utterly understandable.
Furthermore, did you guys notice that the almighty Zen Bu was surprised when the break took place? It was in page 693, just before XXI’s match, who was most likely involved in that break. 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
2 December 2021
Forgiving Bujin would have been too far-fetched, but his redemption can still save him, maybe he’s no longer considered evil and can join the others in paradise, thus becoming one of the Z- team.
As for them, if Goku reached Ssj2 and Ssj3 in those 7 years, in this universe he trained with Vegeta so we could have both of them sparring in ssj3 in the next pages.
DB Multiverse page 1970
As for them, if Goku reached Ssj2 and Ssj3 in those 7 years, in this universe he trained with Vegeta so we could have both of them sparring in ssj3 in the next pages.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
6 October 2021
iron leaf was saying:
Unlikely. U16 Piccolo stated on page 1601 that Majin Bra destroyed their supply and the Piccolos used up the rest in the Majin Arc.
So if Vegeta had approached members from U16 before the Majin Arc regarding Senzu beans or he approached Vegetto while they were on the asteroid, then that would be understandable. Still a poor decision to keep the origin of the beans a secret though.
Unlikely. U16 Piccolo stated on page 1601 that Majin Bra destroyed their supply and the Piccolos used up the rest in the Majin Arc.
So if Vegeta had approached members from U16 before the Majin Arc regarding Senzu beans or he approached Vegetto while they were on the asteroid, then that would be understandable. Still a poor decision to keep the origin of the beans a secret though.
Actually, Zen Bu adjusted everything, thus repairing the apartments and all which was inside. But yes, it’s curious to know since when he hid them. If he had stored them from the beginning, it’d be very shonen-like ;)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
4 October 2021
goten-kun was saying:
>Mr Quill
I agree with you.
Except "mean" comments aren't constructive, I need constructive criticism to improve my work, not just read that it sucks.
Otherwise, to answer, my story was worked on long before it started and while it's far from perfect, I think I've managed to be loyal to Dragon Ball. You will tell me what you think of it when the story is well advanced and you know what it is about. (For now, this is sort of an introduction).
I agree with you.
Except "mean" comments aren't constructive, I need constructive criticism to improve my work, not just read that it sucks.
Otherwise, to answer, my story was worked on long before it started and while it's far from perfect, I think I've managed to be loyal to Dragon Ball. You will tell me what you think of it when the story is well advanced and you know what it is about. (For now, this is sort of an introduction).
Hello Goten-kun, how many pages are there for this comic?
Is it already completed or still ongoing? Thank you 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
25 August 2021
From the preview, I was skeptical about the art, but I must say it’s really well done! Cheers on the author, Ume.
As for this fight, I really can’t see how Vegeta could win… even if he had access to his ssj3 form continuously (that is, as if he were mystic) he should still be beneath Gohan. Cell already proved he cannot be killed by that tier, plus he can teleport, regenerate and make those mini-version of himself. He could always pull a Bra and teleport Vegeta to the space.
Heck, the only way I see the price winning is by making Cell forfeit…
DB Multiverse page 1928
As for this fight, I really can’t see how Vegeta could win… even if he had access to his ssj3 form continuously (that is, as if he were mystic) he should still be beneath Gohan. Cell already proved he cannot be killed by that tier, plus he can teleport, regenerate and make those mini-version of himself. He could always pull a Bra and teleport Vegeta to the space.
Heck, the only way I see the price winning is by making Cell forfeit…
MATTIA IL DIVINO
26 April 2021
He's most likely only pretending to be outclassed, just as Cell did with Vegeta, and similar to how Gotenks tried to scare Piccolo in the Time-chamber. Lowing his guard, he aims to absorb Broly, or just teleport him away. Damn, how cool would it be if an Ultra Bu absorbed Broly even in this universe, however failing!
DB Multiverse page 1876
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25 April 2021
Gourcuff87 was saying:
Secondo me invece sta facendo lo show alla Gotenks con Super Bu quando rischiò di far venire a Piccolo un esaurimento nervoso.
Nella scorsa pagina c'era un richiamo a Freezer quando venne colpito dall'onda di Goku... qui ci vedo una sorta di richiamo a Cell, quando prese in giro Vegeta fingendosi ferito a morte.
Sbaglierò, ma secondo me sta facendo il buffone alla Gotenks.
Nella scorsa pagina c'era un richiamo a Freezer quando venne colpito dall'onda di Goku... qui ci vedo una sorta di richiamo a Cell, quando prese in giro Vegeta fingendosi ferito a morte.
Sbaglierò, ma secondo me sta facendo il buffone alla Gotenks.
Ma sai che secondo me ci hai proprio azzeccato? Sarebbe molto figo così, perlomeno se lo stesse facendo per fargli abbassare la guardia in vista di un possibile tentativo di assorbimento o anche soltanto di teletrasporto. Preferirei vedere l'assorbimento, con la risposta che il corpo invincibile di Broly non può essere trasformato dalla melma di Bu, darebbe anche spazio a interessanti dibattiti sul finto tentativo di assorbimento che fece Zen Bu.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
12 March 2021
Buu is no match for Broly. This version is even weaker than his counterpart of U11, who was trashed by Gohan. The only one who could maybe hold his own is Gotenks.
It’d be far-sighted from Piccolo is he let Buu absorb him, at least he would become smart and try his luck by absorbing Broly too. Really curious to see how Broly defeated all of them.
DB Multiverse page 1857
It’d be far-sighted from Piccolo is he let Buu absorb him, at least he would become smart and try his luck by absorbing Broly too. Really curious to see how Broly defeated all of them.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
12 March 2021
Serves you right, you could have all asked the Old Kaiohshin to awaken your maximum power as done with Gohan. A group of Mystic warriors would have been a smarter move...
DB Multiverse page 1856
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24 February 2021
So the pinwheel windmill is still intact whereas ssj, Uub and Kulilin are not? Hope they survived...
DB Multiverse page 1850
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5 February 2021
Well, the art already looks amazing. About the content, so it takes place after just 2 years of training for Uub. So Goten is 19 here whereas Trunks is 20.
DB Multiverse page 1842
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24 January 2021
Dabra better destroy that dried plum statue, otherwise the sorcerer might get revived once the King is dead. Furthermore, who’d want a statue of that piece of shit nearby?
DB Multiverse page 1838
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22 January 2021
“You’re not going to die of asphyxia.” After all, Babidy is the only one unaware of what’s happening, as Buu shared his memories with everyone in the arena, whilst the dried plum was being tortured in space.
My prediction is on Dabra burning Babidy down, as he’s capable of spitting fire. Luckily, this page is a masterpiece and we don’t need @Argelios to fix any dialogue here! :D
DB Multiverse page 1837
My prediction is on Dabra burning Babidy down, as he’s capable of spitting fire. Luckily, this page is a masterpiece and we don’t need @Argelios to fix any dialogue here! :D
MATTIA IL DIVINO
20 January 2021
Looks like everyone would like to see Dabra take revenge on Babidy, hope we are gonna witness it soon, as far-fetched as it could seem (Babidy could take his mind over again, or Fat Buu could protect him).
Yet, there’s no way Zen Buu allows Babidy to reign over his universe again, he must have left a part of him within Fat Buu, in order to watch Dabra dispose of Babidy and to become the god of that universe too.
DB Multiverse page 1836
Yet, there’s no way Zen Buu allows Babidy to reign over his universe again, he must have left a part of him within Fat Buu, in order to watch Dabra dispose of Babidy and to become the god of that universe too.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
19 January 2021
Yes! If this comic wants to be DB’s sequel, then Uub should be the one who wins. Goku and Vegeta’s fight has been already seen over and over, they are both outclassed here (imo, Vegeta should be no match for Cell, at this point).
Prediction: Buu is already aware of Vegetto’s incoming snap, as he can read everybody’s mind so he witnessed all of Baddack’s visions. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1835
Prediction: Buu is already aware of Vegetto’s incoming snap, as he can read everybody’s mind so he witnessed all of Baddack’s visions. 1 Replie(s)
MATTIA IL DIVINO
18 December 2020
And so, to prevent Bra from killing people, Vegetto will kill them all if he has to !
DB Multiverse page 1822
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11 December 2020
How cool the attention detail about South as the only one trembling.
And looks like Xeniloum just found out Naurb got taken over.
DB Multiverse page 1819
And looks like Xeniloum just found out Naurb got taken over.
MATTIA IL DIVINO
7 October 2020
The last 2 pictures, did her blast even pierce the sun?
DB Multiverse page 1792
MATTIA IL DIVINO
1 October 2020
Will we ever see Ssj2 Bra fighting on equal ground with someone? Every time she transforms, she curb stomps everybody. Oh, unless it is Vegetto, of course
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DB Multiverse page 1789
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20 September 2020
Best page of the whole special, so far!
Either she goes ssj2, or someone else is gonna intervene.
DB Multiverse page 1785
Either she goes ssj2, or someone else is gonna intervene.
LENGUA
After all, the infinitesimal calculus developed by Leibniz and Newton demonstrated that even an infinite sum of numbers can still converge to a finite result.