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DrewSaga was saying:
Tbh it kind of is encouraging crime even if that wasn't Hercule's intention. This wasn't "taking the high road" like people think it is but is just enabling.
Not really. Though admittedly, Mr. Satan not saying it was an accident (he'd have no way of knowing anyway) would help this situation any better. This doesn't enable anything, I have no idea where one would get that, but in the worst case scenario, maybe, just MAYBE more would say 'it was an accident' in court as their defense, but that's it.
Ayashi was saying:
Looks like pure cowardice to me...
No. Forgiveness isn't cowardice. Quite the opposite. It takes strength, courage, and character to forgive, certainly something like this.
BangBang was saying:
He's still going to jail so...no.
No one said he wasn't, I don't think.
There's a certain fear factor in such a tall, slender figure in a cape with a hood that completely hides their face
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Paradise Lost was saying:
This would explain why Bojack's race were so adamant in avenging his death in Universe 16, and I also presume in 18. Also why do I get the feeling we will see the sixth member of Bojack's team die soon?
As far as I've been concerned, anyone who wasn't seen in the movie is marked for death... before the movie.
I'm gonna take a guess and say some of the die to the process but not all
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King Kindred was saying:
This is genuinely the worst way to kill her off. It doesn't line up with canon at all and feels disrespectful to how she was built up to be a strong martial artist here.
Imma have to agree, albeit to a degree - idk if I'd take it as far. But yeah, in the og, Videl's mom died of an illness, I think. And she was a model, if I recall correctly, not a martial artist, though I'd forgive that much. The only time I know when Videl's mom was ever described as dying due to crime was the Buu Bits, which even Abridged Videl says isn't actually true, since dying of cancer doesn't really make for a great backstory for a crime fighter. 2 Replie(s)
King Kindred was saying:
It looks like it didn't really damage her, but we'll see what happens next page.
It probably did, but then I remembered that this is the same franchise where Oopa's father from the og series tensed his body to block machine gun fire from Red Ribbon Army soldiers so yeah, we'll see what happens. 1 Replie(s)
"Strength, strength... the last resort of the weak."
Frieza: "I dunoo, I think I do a pretty good job at it."
I also like the little detail of Snower not accounting for Polars getting killed on the field. I don't know if it was intentional or not but it shows he's still flawed, even arrogant in his calculating and meticulousness, and that capability of oversight sometimes will lead to Snower's demise.
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Frieza: "I dunoo, I think I do a pretty good job at it."
I also like the little detail of Snower not accounting for Polars getting killed on the field. I don't know if it was intentional or not but it shows he's still flawed, even arrogant in his calculating and meticulousness, and that capability of oversight sometimes will lead to Snower's demise.
ArabSuperSaiyan was saying:
So they forgot about 18.
We should probably wait a page or so before making conclusions like that, in case one of them, well, turns around in this case, I suppose
thibault-soa was saying:
Damian Qualshy was saying: I can hear the Cero sound already
Cero ?
Cero ?
An energy blast attack from Bleach that emerges from the mouth.
Koshej was saying:
f60outrunn was saying: This makes it sound like Hercule has left or died maybe, maybe in this AU it was Hercule that died instead?
That... sounds plausible.
After all, most of these "side" comics are AU What-If's.
Or not, since you can say so even about living people, in the sense of "when I see this, it reminds me of how they tend to behave".
Or maybe he's actually the one acting in that movie - we still don't know for sure either way.
Let's wait and see.
That... sounds plausible.
After all, most of these "side" comics are AU What-If's.
Or not, since you can say so even about living people, in the sense of "when I see this, it reminds me of how they tend to behave".
Or maybe he's actually the one acting in that movie - we still don't know for sure either way.
Let's wait and see.
I'm sure this was just meant to be her being reminded of Mr. Satan's WWE-style flashy showmanship, and then give background for later on when Gohan shows Videl how to be a Saiyaman before realizing she actually likes the ridiculous poses and speeches. I also don't recall if it was specified by Toriyama when Videl's mother died, only that she's not seen because she died of an illness. On that note, it's possible that for all we know, she was alive when Cell announced the Cell Games and this was one of the last things they did as mother and daughter, in this story.
I was always under the impression Vegito was a lot more lax about the loss of life than Goku and Vegeta because of the Dragon Balls' capability to resurrect the dead. I'm sure this was just meant to be a gag on how easy the cast can just undo death when they can, but it definitely also shows who influenced Son Bra's life as she grew up and that she has a lot to learn.
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Xemnus75 was saying:
Nan-chan was saying: They didn't last long. Damn
Now where is uub damn it! Is he currently still in training and what we witnessed with him is somewhere in the future?
Uub wasnt frozen when he walked out of the portal so perhaps we shouldnt expect to see him until the timestop comes down
Now where is uub damn it! Is he currently still in training and what we witnessed with him is somewhere in the future?
Uub wasnt frozen when he walked out of the portal so perhaps we shouldnt expect to see him until the timestop comes down
It's possible he came out of Zen Buu's dimension after this part of the story progressed a little further. As it is now, it just started. I mean the former happens sometimes.
Pan: "Glad to see we got your arm back in one piece."
Vegeta: slightly perplexed "Yeah..."
Namekian Healer: "His arm? Oh no, this is someone else's we found lying around somewhere. Vegeta's arm is still in pieces like a broken rubik's cube."
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Vegeta: slightly perplexed "Yeah..."
Namekian Healer: "His arm? Oh no, this is someone else's we found lying around somewhere. Vegeta's arm is still in pieces like a broken rubik's cube."
Your nickel was saying:
Isn't that what Jackie Chun used on Goku?
Yes, I love this technique. One of the more interesting ones in the DB franchise
CornBreadtm was saying:
We did get a "SS1 never beats SS2, SS2 never beats SS3" rule stated during previous arcs... then we also have Bra.
So it's understandable why people are confused. Bra just constantly steps on the consistency. Vegito gets a pass since he's technically 2 people. Bra should at least be treated like Gohan, stronger than average but still has to follow the rules.
Having SS3 Vegeta be quaking in his boots over a SS2 Bra does feel dumb honestly. He's still fresh unlike when he first got the form. And isn't restricted in speed based on needing a Namek support.
So it's understandable why people are confused. Bra just constantly steps on the consistency. Vegito gets a pass since he's technically 2 people. Bra should at least be treated like Gohan, stronger than average but still has to follow the rules.
Having SS3 Vegeta be quaking in his boots over a SS2 Bra does feel dumb honestly. He's still fresh unlike when he first got the form. And isn't restricted in speed based on needing a Namek support.
Every time Son Bra's in a panel, there's nitpicking... Even if it's not you specifically Cornbreadtm (sorry if it isn't, you're just the first person i went to reply to to make my point), it's definitely someone.
First of all, Son Bra isn't the only person who could overcome SSJ3 with SSJ2 or something like that. The thing that matters isn't just forms but base power. And this Vegeta isn't scared. He's already an honorless coward whose pride is looser and weaker like the rest of the Saiyan Race had become, unlike mainstream Vegeta, whose pride strengthened in the face of his people's lack of pride and who didn't fall for the same trappings U13 Vegeta did.
You're right Vegeta, we do have hostages, and he's insecure, has a stupid cape on and a piece of his hair missing
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Pinball was saying:
Yeah. This doesn't make sense. U13 Vegeta just learn SSJ3 while U18 Vegeta has had a lot more training with it. This fight should have looked similar to when future Trunks spared with Goku with the Z sword.
I actually feel like this fight is an illusion on U13 Vegeta's part. i don't know why.
Oh that was *smooth!* I suspect U18 Vegeta's gonna do the dominating after this.
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Your nickel was saying:
Did he make her heart explode?
Why do I get this feeling it doesn't work. Also her and U18 Vegeta's power likely dwarf this Vegeta, they just can't fight normally
My geek senses are tingling, trying to resist saying Hurcule is dub only and not his real name- ah damnit
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Females was saying:
I wanna see Vegeta one shot her while she attempts to run away.
Assuming ki doesn't freeze, too, since it's a natural energy, whereas the energy of cyborgs like 18 is artificial. 1 Replie(s)
Oh boy. Our first fight? Are we gonna see what XXI's 'boon' does or really is?
Yeah that's definitely a body
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SawnMC was saying:
BullShark was saying: Last panel, bottom right, two fingers 😱
came to the comment section just to see if anybody else noticed that. They definitely don't feel like purely filler art.
came to the comment section just to see if anybody else noticed that. They definitely don't feel like purely filler art.
Yeah that's definitely a body
King Kindred was saying:
I wonder how much tickets for a multiversal tournament costs and how'd they go about searching for spectators.
papupata was saying:
How do you even pay for tickets? What's the currency?
I'd love to hear these explained. They probably take all currencies or none at all, preferring trades in goods or items in exchange to the tickets. I'm sure some Varga would like to build a collection, distribute these items to society or study them
Comic-P was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: The idea that Goku always has a picture of his family in his gi is something beautiful I hadn't considered before now...
Given the outfits/ Gohan design you can tell it was taken in the days up to the Cell Games.
Given the outfits/ Gohan design you can tell it was taken in the days up to the Cell Games.
Maybe he knew he wasn't gonna make it home sooner than we thought... 1 Replie(s)
The idea that Goku always has a picture of his family in his gi is something beautiful I hadn't considered before now...
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Are we gonna see audience members shine, now? That'll be interesting
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Oof, what dark implications for the other Vegeta...
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Imagine that's how this ends
DBS Goku is the one Toriyama wanted. He always mentioned his dislike of Toei making Goku a hero. And he's not a straight-up idiot
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Jolly711 was saying:
This is the Goku we loved from Z not the idiot of Super.
DBS Goku is the one Toriyama wanted. He always mentioned his dislike of Toei making Goku a hero. And he's not a straight-up idiot
Oh hell I called it. Now I'm gonna assume U5 was different cause he found himself a nifty set of powerful Dragon Balls.
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ZGrssd was saying:
Females was saying: Clearly something happens in all but XXI universe where he is somehow defeated after old Kai is sealed. I wonder who was able to take him down.
I am thinking the same.
I am thinking the same.
My guess is this: In every Universe but U5, the Supreme Kais banded together to defeat him. In U5, they did something different that would give him an opening to turn the tables. He could have sealed Elder Kai first, knowing he was a threat, only for it to backfire from the response of the other Supreme Kais, who would defeat him afterwards. I don't know, really, but there are several ways things could have gone right throughout the multiverse and wrong in U5.
SuperDuper Goku was saying:
Uzurper was saying: Can anyone remember adult Goku being anywhere this emotional DBZ or Super, besides the Super Saiyan moment on Namek?
In super when he 1v2 Black and Zamasu after they decided taunting the strongest Saiyan about murdering his family was a good idea. But no tears as far as I know. Also when Roshi lost in the ToP
In super when he 1v2 Black and Zamasu after they decided taunting the strongest Saiyan about murdering his family was a good idea. But no tears as far as I know. Also when Roshi lost in the ToP
I think during the ToP, it was implied Goku was crying but we didn't see the tears for some reason. He rubs his eyes dry with his arm before grinning when Roshi wakes up.
Pizzachu was saying:
Uzurper was saying: Can anyone remember adult Goku being anywhere this emotional DBZ or Super, besides the Super Saiyan moment on Namek?
He looked pretty sad when he killed Freeza. Goku doesn't get many chances to be sad, usually he gets angry or has to focus on dealing with the problem.
He looked pretty sad when he killed Freeza. Goku doesn't get many chances to be sad, usually he gets angry or has to focus on dealing with the problem.
Goku was definitely upset when he killed Frieza. He didn't want to. He just... got angry. And I guess acted on impulse. I don't blame him though, Goku gave Frieza another chance, far more than he deserves, and he wasted it again on attacking, wasting the energy he gave him, his mercy. But ultimately, it's not what Goku wanted. To kill him, I mean.
bigdeano89 was saying:
Uzurper was saying: Can anyone remember adult Goku being anywhere this emotional DBZ or Super, besides the Super Saiyan moment on Namek?
I mean, he got so emotional when Frieza killed Krillin that he went super saiyan lol. Its not like Goku is an unfeeling paragon.
I mean, he got so emotional when Frieza killed Krillin that he went super saiyan lol. Its not like Goku is an unfeeling paragon.
I'd hardly call someone who doesn't feel a 'paragon'. Somehow it's sadder to not feel the emotion to cry.
Uzurper was saying:
Can anyone remember adult Goku being anywhere this emotional DBZ or Super, besides the Super Saiyan moment on Namek?
I can think of one off the top of my head. In DBS, when Roshi nearly died defeating Ganos, Goku went Super Saiyan Blue just to break free of his restraints from his opponent to get to Roshi and resuscitate him. Goku nearly broke cause he thought he lost who he probably sees as another grandfather, and wipe his tears before grinning like a kid again. It was really emotional, then went really sweet.
The fact that Elder Kai was sealed in all the known universes as far as we can tell but XXI was only victorious in U5 either is very interesting. Perhaps in all those universes, XXI succumbed to a fatal wound afterwards, and in U5, he either suffered a lesser wound or survived the encounter altogether.
I also love the Balrog-esque design of XXI. It's awesome. But more than that, knowing the Balrog were essentially fallen angels/Maiar in Middle Earth, it would be insane if DBM didn't just stop at drawing inspiration from the Durin's Bane's design.
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I also love the Balrog-esque design of XXI. It's awesome. But more than that, knowing the Balrog were essentially fallen angels/Maiar in Middle Earth, it would be insane if DBM didn't just stop at drawing inspiration from the Durin's Bane's design.
Does this mean the Z-Sword put U5 XXI in an uncertain state between life and death? Or maybe created a weak point on his being?
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Lort was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: Lort was saying: Wuh? Goku was naked when he was sent to Earth tho.
Yeah that was my only real problem with the DBS: Broly movie. Toriyama made 'Dragon Ball Minus' which was a oneshot manga that told his version of Bardock's story and how Goku was sent to Earth (apparently his only contribution to the og Bardock TV Special was character designs). The manga was a little infamous because it, coupled with the ending of his Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga, simplified Bardock's story a lot more, compared to the TV special where he was a doomed rebel gifted with foresight wearing a bandana reddened with the blood of his fallen squadmates. Not only that, but it made Bardock's reason for sending Goku away, personally, turn Goku's backstory into something more aligned with Superman's. This was probably especially controversial because of how Toriyama used to push that Goku wasn't a hero and not liking the idea of his character being like Superman (this is likely why Goku is more childish and 'pure' in accordance to Buddhism in the DBS anime). Not only this, but Goku wasn't a baby and was aged up to a toddler old enough to wear Saiyan battle armor.
In DBS: Broly, they improved the Minus story by adding Bardock being seen standing against Frieza in space anyway over waiting for the inevitable (which imo leaves room to fusing both stories and making it work), but they kept Goku's age-up AND, if you watch closely at the end of the recap of Goku's journey and before we transition to him and Vegeta sparring near Bulma's private island, you can see Kame House for a moment, implying Goku landed there first before Roshi gave him to Grandpa Gohan to take to Mt. Paozu. In other words, they tried to retcon an inconsistency.
So yeah, I guess this story is going with Goku's Minus or DBS: Broly origins.
The Minus story is why I can't help but feel like the DBS anime was the last great Dragon Ball story. The stuff we'd get after that would have so many blatant inconsistencies from the DBS manga to DAIMA regarding not just Dragon Ball lore, but also things that were so blatantly there that what are called 'retcons' are actually just, well, inconsistencies (ex. when and how Shin and Kibito defused in DBS vs DAIMA, where and how Goku landed on Earth, Kid Buu supposedly having God Ki during the final battle despite all the mortal warriors being able to sense his ki, etc.). I have less of an issue when Toriyama overwrites a story he didn't make, because Dragon Ball is, of course, his story, as the creator he's arguably entitled to adding his own input, but if it's as difficult or even impossible to integrate into the wider story like Minus or DAIMA, then it's harder to give that pass.
True, didn't read Super or anything. A very weird retcon in my opinion, but fair enough. Thanks!
Yeah that was my only real problem with the DBS: Broly movie. Toriyama made 'Dragon Ball Minus' which was a oneshot manga that told his version of Bardock's story and how Goku was sent to Earth (apparently his only contribution to the og Bardock TV Special was character designs). The manga was a little infamous because it, coupled with the ending of his Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga, simplified Bardock's story a lot more, compared to the TV special where he was a doomed rebel gifted with foresight wearing a bandana reddened with the blood of his fallen squadmates. Not only that, but it made Bardock's reason for sending Goku away, personally, turn Goku's backstory into something more aligned with Superman's. This was probably especially controversial because of how Toriyama used to push that Goku wasn't a hero and not liking the idea of his character being like Superman (this is likely why Goku is more childish and 'pure' in accordance to Buddhism in the DBS anime). Not only this, but Goku wasn't a baby and was aged up to a toddler old enough to wear Saiyan battle armor.
In DBS: Broly, they improved the Minus story by adding Bardock being seen standing against Frieza in space anyway over waiting for the inevitable (which imo leaves room to fusing both stories and making it work), but they kept Goku's age-up AND, if you watch closely at the end of the recap of Goku's journey and before we transition to him and Vegeta sparring near Bulma's private island, you can see Kame House for a moment, implying Goku landed there first before Roshi gave him to Grandpa Gohan to take to Mt. Paozu. In other words, they tried to retcon an inconsistency.
So yeah, I guess this story is going with Goku's Minus or DBS: Broly origins.
The Minus story is why I can't help but feel like the DBS anime was the last great Dragon Ball story. The stuff we'd get after that would have so many blatant inconsistencies from the DBS manga to DAIMA regarding not just Dragon Ball lore, but also things that were so blatantly there that what are called 'retcons' are actually just, well, inconsistencies (ex. when and how Shin and Kibito defused in DBS vs DAIMA, where and how Goku landed on Earth, Kid Buu supposedly having God Ki during the final battle despite all the mortal warriors being able to sense his ki, etc.). I have less of an issue when Toriyama overwrites a story he didn't make, because Dragon Ball is, of course, his story, as the creator he's arguably entitled to adding his own input, but if it's as difficult or even impossible to integrate into the wider story like Minus or DAIMA, then it's harder to give that pass.
True, didn't read Super or anything. A very weird retcon in my opinion, but fair enough. Thanks!
I recommend the anime over the manga anytime. It has its flaws but it doesn't trip over itself like the manga does, to say the least on what's wrong with it.
Also sorry I was so... wordy in my earlier reply. I was really tired, so I didn't have a full scope on how my grammar might look. 1 Replie(s)
Lort was saying:
Wuh? Goku was naked when he was sent to Earth tho.
Yeah that was my only real problem with the DBS: Broly movie. Toriyama made 'Dragon Ball Minus' which was a oneshot manga that told his version of Bardock's story and how Goku was sent to Earth (apparently his only contribution to the og Bardock TV Special was character designs). The manga was a little infamous because it, coupled with the ending of his Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga, simplified Bardock's story a lot more, compared to the TV special where he was a doomed rebel gifted with foresight wearing a bandana reddened with the blood of his fallen squadmates. Not only that, but it made Bardock's reason for sending Goku away, personally, turn Goku's backstory into something more aligned with Superman's. This was probably especially controversial because of how Toriyama used to push that Goku wasn't a hero and not liking the idea of his character being like Superman (this is likely why Goku is more childish and 'pure' in accordance to Buddhism in the DBS anime). Not only this, but Goku wasn't a baby and was aged up to a toddler old enough to wear Saiyan battle armor.
In DBS: Broly, they improved the Minus story by adding Bardock being seen standing against Frieza in space anyway over waiting for the inevitable (which imo leaves room to fusing both stories and making it work), but they kept Goku's age-up AND, if you watch closely at the end of the recap of Goku's journey and before we transition to him and Vegeta sparring near Bulma's private island, you can see Kame House for a moment, implying Goku landed there first before Roshi gave him to Grandpa Gohan to take to Mt. Paozu. In other words, they tried to retcon an inconsistency.
So yeah, I guess this story is going with Goku's Minus or DBS: Broly origins.
The Minus story is why I can't help but feel like the DBS anime was the last great Dragon Ball story. The stuff we'd get after that would have so many blatant inconsistencies from the DBS manga to DAIMA regarding not just Dragon Ball lore, but also things that were so blatantly there that what are called 'retcons' are actually just, well, inconsistencies (ex. when and how Shin and Kibito defused in DBS vs DAIMA, where and how Goku landed on Earth, Kid Buu supposedly having God Ki during the final battle despite all the mortal warriors being able to sense his ki, etc.). I have less of an issue when Toriyama overwrites a story he didn't make, because Dragon Ball is, of course, his story, as the creator he's arguably entitled to adding his own input, but if it's as difficult or even impossible to integrate into the wider story like Minus or DAIMA, then it's harder to give that pass. 1 Replie(s)
Shadows? Plural? Does that mean XXI is one of many? Could its name really be a designation? Or was there one of XXI's kind in each universe, defeated in all of them, save one.
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So just making sure, are the paragraphs telling XXI's legend read left to right, or down at the left to down at the right.
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mAc Chaos was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: I was always under the impression that Grandpa Gohan knew the Oozaru was Goku. Unless Grandpa Gohan means it wasn't Goku's fault, because he lost control.
I think he doesn't know Goku knows the truth, so he's trying to keep him in the dark that it was Goku.
I think he doesn't know Goku knows the truth, so he's trying to keep him in the dark that it was Goku.
I think in DB, Grandpa Gohan knew it was Goku but didn't wanna tell him, so told him to stay indoors at night under the pretense that a terrible monster that came out at night was out there. This would suggest Goku transformed at least once as a kid, before Gohan became a casualty later. I'm guessing Goku one night decided he was gonna be brave and fight the monster, only to look at the moon again, and Grandpa Gohan confronting him somehow lead to his demise. In this case, he probably managed to calm Goku down the first time at least, since Goku never had a memory of losing his tail before the end of the Pilaf Arc, and failed that later night.
I think that's the best way to explain why Gohan specifically said to stay indoors at night and all, not to mention how a request that specific means usually there's a secret, more personal reason that isn't being told. Alternatively, the only way I can see Grandpa Gohan telling Goku this is if Goku's first transformation somehow escaped Gohan's notice - maybe assuming it was thunder or that Goku somehow got far enough into the wild for his rampage to be considered too distant, and his Oozaru form was never seen. Goku would wake up in the wild being out overnight and either pass Grandpa Gohan unseen on his way home or find the signs of his rampage and tell him himself; signs showing enough power and destruction that would shake Grandpa Gohan enough to tell Goku to never go outside at night, period. But again, the first scenario seems to stick better.
I was always under the impression that Grandpa Gohan knew the Oozaru was Goku. Unless Grandpa Gohan means it wasn't Goku's fault, because he lost control.
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Promesse page 22
lol for a sec I read 'joyless' as 'jobless'.
But serious, that is sick art. Almost reminds me of the Black Winter from Marvel. Almost. 1 Replie(s)
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But serious, that is sick art. Almost reminds me of the Black Winter from Marvel. Almost. 1 Replie(s)
godking was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: Damn, so he actually does just take it to another planet lol. Watch Babidi home in like a GPS.
Wait I already said that..
godking was saying: Where the F is Shin.
Shin would have known that someone had found Buu's egg.
Shin is bad at his job remember?
What if Gero had him captured?
Possible but Shin and Kibito are above the androids that Gero has he would have had to deploy Perfect Cell to beat them as he would have had to do against Dabura
Wait I already said that..
godking was saying: Where the F is Shin.
Shin would have known that someone had found Buu's egg.
Shin is bad at his job remember?
What if Gero had him captured?
Possible but Shin and Kibito are above the androids that Gero has he would have had to deploy Perfect Cell to beat them as he would have had to do against Dabura
Knowing Gero, the minimum he'd do is study and experiment on them. I'm sure he's not above desecrating the gods in the name of science and control. Alternatively, it's possible Gero just simply discovered the seal first, before Shin and Babidi's chronological moment they come to Earth for Majin Buu.
Damian Qualshy was saying:
Damn, so he actually does just take it to another planet lol. Watch Babidi home in like a GPS.
Wait I already said that..
godking was saying: Where the F is Shin.
Shin would have known that someone had found Buu's egg.
Shin is bad at his job remember?
Wait I already said that..
godking was saying: Where the F is Shin.
Shin would have known that someone had found Buu's egg.
Shin is bad at his job remember?
What if Gero had him captured? 1 Replie(s)
I thought that was a brain for a minute, like Dr. Wheelo's. His is the size of a greyhound!
Jokes aside though, I am interested in seeing how Gast will handle Majin Buu. For once I actually kinda hope a more peaceful resolution occurs. Fat Buu's got the mind of a kid after all.
Nah those are just scanners. I'm assuming Gero couldn't get past the seal's walls, whether or not he'd already figured out that the seal is made from Buu's body. I mean, it is, right?
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Jokes aside though, I am interested in seeing how Gast will handle Majin Buu. For once I actually kinda hope a more peaceful resolution occurs. Fat Buu's got the mind of a kid after all.
Arklaw was saying:
Lilo and Stitch guns?
Nah those are just scanners. I'm assuming Gero couldn't get past the seal's walls, whether or not he'd already figured out that the seal is made from Buu's body. I mean, it is, right?
virtua was saying:
Monster was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: Monster was saying: Oh no! Dying undid the bump on his head and now he's kakarott!!
Why is most everyone here assuming the worst lol
You didn't see the leaked pages?
what a monster!!!1
Why is most everyone here assuming the worst lol
You didn't see the leaked pages?
what a monster!!!1
Monster was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: Monster was saying: Oh no! Dying undid the bump on his head and now he's kakarott!!
Why is most everyone here assuming the worst lol
You didn't see the leaked pages?
Why is most everyone here assuming the worst lol
You didn't see the leaked pages?
Uh huh, sure. If I don't believe you, it's no offense. I've seen and heard people fabricate things many times before, usually with the intent of deliberately shocking people with fake spoilers.
KidTrunks was saying:
oskarloko was saying: Yep, Gero and the droids could go against Frieza; but they could not be very developed.... there isn't a Goku vs Vegeta figth and the level of Tien and Yamcha is low; so....
Humans could be exterminated or made slaves by Frieza... who knows.
Exactly this. There's potential for a Z Fighters and Androids team up to defeat Frieza. Real wasted potential to not only do that but to kill of Gohan who would have made for an interesting frieza conflict once he turned SSJ. I'm sorry but the ending is just bleak and abrupt, there's no real moral of the story here.
Humans could be exterminated or made slaves by Frieza... who knows.
Exactly this. There's potential for a Z Fighters and Androids team up to defeat Frieza. Real wasted potential to not only do that but to kill of Gohan who would have made for an interesting frieza conflict once he turned SSJ. I'm sorry but the ending is just bleak and abrupt, there's no real moral of the story here.
Oh wait I like this idea. But yeah, this ending feels... lacking, in a way that probably causes it to not work.
Monster was saying:
Oh no! Dying undid the bump on his head and now he's kakarott!!
Why is most everyone here assuming the worst lol 1 Replie(s)
Pizzachu was saying:
Is he going to say sorry for turning into a giant monkey and killing him?
Oh I'm sure. Or he'll hug him saying he's glad to see him again
Watch it turn out to be that King Kai had a restaurant or something. Goku was always... let's say 'brutally honest' about his cooking, I don't see why Gohan wouldn't be the same way lol
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iron leaf was saying:
Oh, the Launch lookalike Android looks cute.
They're cyborgs so it's possible Gero kidnapped Launch and turned her into a cyborg
Jolly711 was saying:
I wonder if he told him how he turned down being revived just to train
He did it because he blamed himself for a lot of recent crises the Earth and everybody had to face. Cell and the Cyborgs became the latest menaces because Gero wanted revenge on Goku for destroying the Red Ribbon Army. The Cell Games were formed because Cell wanted to fight Goku. 17 and 18 were created to kill Goku for Gero's revenge. The Saiyans came to Earth because Raditz was looking to recruit his brother. Frieza came to Earth because he wanted revenge for being defeated by Goku.
Goku's gonna train because it's what martial artists do, and because he's a Saiyan enjoys fighting the strong. But it's not why he wanted to stay in Otherworld.
CornBreadtm was saying:
Meroron was saying: What a bad ending. There better be a second season!
Second season to do what? Freeza is an "instant lost" event.
Second season to do what? Freeza is an "instant lost" event.
Not necessarily
mAc Chaos was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: Honestly... what a waste. Not a waste of time, but like... there can still be so much more story. Gohan could be training with Goku, Piccolo and King Kai in Otherworld, then Baba would send Gohan back to Earth to face Frieza. It'd be his redemption besides just dying with Vegeta. King Kai can even tell them about Planet Namek, where they can use the Dragon Balls to bring back Piccolo. Hell, with Frieza defeated, it could be Cooler who goes to Namek in his place for the Namekian Dragon Balls. I'm also surprised Chichi even let Tien go with them in the previous page. I'm not giving him blame or something, but Chichi would naturally be angry with him and have some animosity towards him, whether it's out of grief or a genuine belief that he failed.
I just hope you consider continuing this story someday, goten-kun. I wouldn't mind exchanging story ideas with you over Discord, if you'd be interested.
gohans going straight to hell bruh, no king kai for him
I just hope you consider continuing this story someday, goten-kun. I wouldn't mind exchanging story ideas with you over Discord, if you'd be interested.
gohans going straight to hell bruh, no king kai for him
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Honestly... what a waste. Not a waste of time, but like... there can still be so much more story. Gohan could be training with Goku, Piccolo and King Kai in Otherworld, then Baba would send Gohan back to Earth to face Frieza. It'd be his redemption besides just dying with Vegeta. King Kai can even tell them about Planet Namek, where they can use the Dragon Balls to bring back Piccolo. Hell, with Frieza defeated, it could be Cooler who goes to Namek in his place for the Namekian Dragon Balls. I'm also surprised Chichi even let Tien go with them in the previous page. I'm not giving him blame or something, but Chichi would naturally be angry with him and have some animosity towards him, whether it's out of grief or a genuine belief that he failed.
I just hope you consider continuing this story someday, goten-kun. I wouldn't mind exchanging story ideas with you over Discord, if you'd be interested. 2 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 157
I just hope you consider continuing this story someday, goten-kun. I wouldn't mind exchanging story ideas with you over Discord, if you'd be interested. 2 Replie(s)
Delphince was saying:
Yeeaaahhh...sorry, Cell would never, ever, say he feels "powerless". His ego is way too big for that.
His power is being blocked, what else would it feel like? He didn't mean it in that sense. 1 Replie(s)
Kamahamaho was saying:
Things I’m wondering about:
If Ghast sealed Cell’s ki, will Cell be unable to regenerate from this?
If Ghast uses that powerful blast so close to Cell and the ground, wont he be caught in his own blast and the Earth be blown up too?
If Ghast sealed Cell’s ki, will Cell be unable to regenerate from this?
If Ghast uses that powerful blast so close to Cell and the ground, wont he be caught in his own blast and the Earth be blown up too?
I think there's a difference between energy abilities and innate biological abilities like physical regeneration.
Super Gojita 3 was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: 仅是剑客 was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: Didn't og DB say skill and strong will overcome power?
Like Mafuba always fails against opponents who are stronger than their user.
Tien and Jackie Chen had much more tricks than kid Goku but still almost lose to kid Goku. And they are completely outclassed by Goku and Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budōkai.
Perfect Cell had much more skills and trick, but still lost to kid Gohan.
I mean... there are countless examples.
The Mafuba doesn't fail if your opponent is stronger; in fact it was made for a superior opponent (Master Mutaito made it to seal Piccolo Daimao). The reason it'd ever fail in the past is when the demon seal item gets removed or destroyed, the talisman is missing or because the deadly strain of the technique when having a low-enough power level might affect the user's focus - causing them to miss.
Yeah pretty much.
In dbm, it worked on zenbuu. He had made copies of himself so it didnt beat him but the point still stands.
The technique works unless you miss or its reversed ala mafuuba gaeshi or however its spelled
Like Mafuba always fails against opponents who are stronger than their user.
Tien and Jackie Chen had much more tricks than kid Goku but still almost lose to kid Goku. And they are completely outclassed by Goku and Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budōkai.
Perfect Cell had much more skills and trick, but still lost to kid Gohan.
I mean... there are countless examples.
The Mafuba doesn't fail if your opponent is stronger; in fact it was made for a superior opponent (Master Mutaito made it to seal Piccolo Daimao). The reason it'd ever fail in the past is when the demon seal item gets removed or destroyed, the talisman is missing or because the deadly strain of the technique when having a low-enough power level might affect the user's focus - causing them to miss.
Yeah pretty much.
In dbm, it worked on zenbuu. He had made copies of himself so it didnt beat him but the point still stands.
The technique works unless you miss or its reversed ala mafuuba gaeshi or however its spelled
Yeah pretty much. Though I didn't mention the Reverse Mafuba cause that is technically a success if it still snatches somebody up and locks them in a seal 1 Replie(s)
仅是剑客 was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: Didn't og DB say skill and strong will overcome power?
Like Mafuba always fails against opponents who are stronger than their user.
Tien and Jackie Chen had much more tricks than kid Goku but still almost lose to kid Goku. And they are completely outclassed by Goku and Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budōkai.
Perfect Cell had much more skills and trick, but still lost to kid Gohan.
I mean... there are countless examples.
Like Mafuba always fails against opponents who are stronger than their user.
Tien and Jackie Chen had much more tricks than kid Goku but still almost lose to kid Goku. And they are completely outclassed by Goku and Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budōkai.
Perfect Cell had much more skills and trick, but still lost to kid Gohan.
I mean... there are countless examples.
The Mafuba doesn't fail if your opponent is stronger; in fact it was made for a superior opponent (Master Mutaito made it to seal Piccolo Daimao). The reason it'd ever fail in the past is when the demon seal item gets removed or destroyed, the talisman is missing or because the deadly strain of the technique when having a low-enough power level might affect the user's focus - causing them to miss. 1 Replie(s)
仅是剑客 was saying:
While OG Dragon Ball insists power and strong will can easily overcome techniques or tricks, DBM keeps trying to create new tricks to even or override the power gap.
Sometimes, it just feels cheating. They can win just because the writers give them a broken technique which makes no sense.
Sometimes, it just feels cheating. They can win just because the writers give them a broken technique which makes no sense.
Didn't og DB say skill and strong will overcome power? 1 Replie(s)
UltraExtream was saying:
A new technique?
You used it on Frieza and King Kold.
That's not a new technique.
You used it on Frieza and King Kold.
That's not a new technique.
Do I really need to explain it...?
Females was saying:
Despite what others were saying previously, I assumed Gast would not absorb Cell. I'm not sure even how that would work but who knows.
He probably can't. What people in the west call 'Namekian Fusion' is actually 'Assimilation'. They absorb the soul of a fellow Namekian and they become one with the initiator, no longer individual, with their thoughts, memories and power inherited. What's more, Namekian Assimilation requires both participants to consent, it can't be forced. Even if Cell consented to being assimilated by Gas, I doubt he could, cause he probably needs to be pure Namekian for it to work. Not to mention Namekians are likely incapable of crossbreeding, since they reproduce asexually by spitting out eggs. 1 Replie(s)
Philsdesign was saying:
ZenBuu was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: If this funeral is for Gohan, too, I'm surprised Chichi even allowed Tien to attend.
King Kindred was saying: It's still crazy that Tien straight up eradicated Gohan like that.
At least we got to see Yamcha and Bulma's daughter.
It's how, too, that gets me. I can't say I like it. It even felt cold.
Also I think they had a boy.
You keep saying that about Tien, and it confuses me. What other choice did Tien had in this situation? It's not like anybody told Nasu to jump in and hold Vegeta in place. They tried to convince him to join them from the very start. Nasu decided to sacrifice himself on his own. Should they've let this opportunity be wasted? Vegeta would've dodged or sent the spirit bomb back 100%, if Nasu didn't jump in. It was a "now or never situation".
You make it seem like Tien really enjoyed killing Nasu, which is really weird thinking imo.
oskarloko was saying: It's raining ? Or is Tien sweating ?
Always rains to make a sad scene more effective.
No thunderbolts, thou. This only to terror scenes or villains.
Obviously it's raining. Why else would they have umbrellas (look at the last page again). Seems like Tien is the only one without umbrella.
Tien pretty much had no choice (and on top of that Gohan willingly threw himself into the genki dama), but that's looking at it rationally, which is something a grieving person tends to not do.
Chichi will be dealing with a lot of grief and a coping mechanism for that is to switch to an "easier" emotion like anger, which tends to result in blaming someone even if it doesn't really make sense. So it would be quite normal for Chichi to blame Tien for the loss of her child during the grieving proces before coming to terms with the loss.
So yeah, her not wanting Tien there wouldn't be weird. Heck, Tien feeling guilty and not wanting to be there wouldn't be weird either. But I agree people are going overboard acting like Tien willingly murdered Gohan without hesitation
King Kindred was saying: It's still crazy that Tien straight up eradicated Gohan like that.
At least we got to see Yamcha and Bulma's daughter.
It's how, too, that gets me. I can't say I like it. It even felt cold.
Also I think they had a boy.
You keep saying that about Tien, and it confuses me. What other choice did Tien had in this situation? It's not like anybody told Nasu to jump in and hold Vegeta in place. They tried to convince him to join them from the very start. Nasu decided to sacrifice himself on his own. Should they've let this opportunity be wasted? Vegeta would've dodged or sent the spirit bomb back 100%, if Nasu didn't jump in. It was a "now or never situation".
You make it seem like Tien really enjoyed killing Nasu, which is really weird thinking imo.
oskarloko was saying: It's raining ? Or is Tien sweating ?
Always rains to make a sad scene more effective.
No thunderbolts, thou. This only to terror scenes or villains.
Obviously it's raining. Why else would they have umbrellas (look at the last page again). Seems like Tien is the only one without umbrella.
Tien pretty much had no choice (and on top of that Gohan willingly threw himself into the genki dama), but that's looking at it rationally, which is something a grieving person tends to not do.
Chichi will be dealing with a lot of grief and a coping mechanism for that is to switch to an "easier" emotion like anger, which tends to result in blaming someone even if it doesn't really make sense. So it would be quite normal for Chichi to blame Tien for the loss of her child during the grieving proces before coming to terms with the loss.
So yeah, her not wanting Tien there wouldn't be weird. Heck, Tien feeling guilty and not wanting to be there wouldn't be weird either. But I agree people are going overboard acting like Tien willingly murdered Gohan without hesitation
I said I was kidding when I said Tien wanted to kill Gohan.
Kururun was saying:
Why aren't they reviving Gohan though.
Because Piccolo died with Goku when they fought Raditz
ZenBuu was saying:
King Kindred was saying: The issue is the Ultimate Kikoho, which was overkill, when the Spirit Bomb would've killed Vegeta on its own. Him surviving the original one in canon was because it was much smaller than the one Tien made here. The Spirit Bomb almost killed Frieza, but his race is extremely durable and able to survive a lot. It killed Kid Buu despite his regenerative abilities. Vegeta was toast. Especially when you look at his face before Tien added the Ultimate Kikoho.
First, how was Kid Buu able to push the spirit bomb back at Goku? He isn't pure of heart, on the contrary. 🤣
Ok, Buu is obviously much stronger than Vegeta, but this spirit bomb was also a lot smaller than the one Buu tanked. Point still stands.
Frieza was also able to at least attempt to block it. Vegeta got hit in canon, because Gohan repelled it towards Vegeta at the last moment and he didn't had time anymore to dodge or block it. Here, Vegeta had plenty of time to dodge or block it.
As I said, the spirit bomb fired at Frieza and Kid Buu was MUCH bigger than this one here. Doing this comparison, it doesn't matter if the one fired at Vegeta by Krillin in canon lost almost all energy. And Tien wanted to go for a save kill. They didn't knew if this would kill Vegeta for sure, how would they? If this would've failed, Vegeta would've killed them all. So it's better be safe than sorry.
Again, I don't understand why you act like Tien did this on purpose just to kill Nasu. Nasu could've just listened to him and gave him his energy too. Instead, he decided to sacrifice himself, to guarantee the kill shot on Vegeta. And Chichi watched all that, I don't see how you come to the conclusion that she would be mad at Tien about this, let alone forbid him to attend the funeral.
BlackCat was saying: Where's my boy kuririn?
He's dead. Nappa knocked him out on page 71 and killed him and Chiaotzu on page 76.
First, how was Kid Buu able to push the spirit bomb back at Goku? He isn't pure of heart, on the contrary. 🤣
Ok, Buu is obviously much stronger than Vegeta, but this spirit bomb was also a lot smaller than the one Buu tanked. Point still stands.
Frieza was also able to at least attempt to block it. Vegeta got hit in canon, because Gohan repelled it towards Vegeta at the last moment and he didn't had time anymore to dodge or block it. Here, Vegeta had plenty of time to dodge or block it.
As I said, the spirit bomb fired at Frieza and Kid Buu was MUCH bigger than this one here. Doing this comparison, it doesn't matter if the one fired at Vegeta by Krillin in canon lost almost all energy. And Tien wanted to go for a save kill. They didn't knew if this would kill Vegeta for sure, how would they? If this would've failed, Vegeta would've killed them all. So it's better be safe than sorry.
Again, I don't understand why you act like Tien did this on purpose just to kill Nasu. Nasu could've just listened to him and gave him his energy too. Instead, he decided to sacrifice himself, to guarantee the kill shot on Vegeta. And Chichi watched all that, I don't see how you come to the conclusion that she would be mad at Tien about this, let alone forbid him to attend the funeral.
BlackCat was saying: Where's my boy kuririn?
He's dead. Nappa knocked him out on page 71 and killed him and Chiaotzu on page 76.
I think the theory is that not all of the energy Goku received from Earth was positive. Either that or, either Kid Buu stopping the Spirit Bomb was meant to be another flex or Goku was just too weak to push the Spirit Bomb hard enough to consume Buu.
ZenBuu was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: If this funeral is for Gohan, too, I'm surprised Chichi even allowed Tien to attend.
King Kindred was saying: It's still crazy that Tien straight up eradicated Gohan like that.
At least we got to see Yamcha and Bulma's daughter.
It's how, too, that gets me. I can't say I like it. It even felt cold.
Also I think they had a boy.
You keep saying that about Tien, and it confuses me. What other choice did Tien had in this situation? It's not like anybody told Nasu to jump in and hold Vegeta in place. They tried to convince him to join them from the very start. Nasu decided to sacrifice himself on his own. Should they've let this opportunity be wasted? Vegeta would've dodged or sent the spirit bomb back 100%, if Nasu didn't jump in. It was a "now or never situation".
You make it seem like Tien really enjoyed killing Nasu, which is really weird thinking imo.
King Kindred was saying: It's still crazy that Tien straight up eradicated Gohan like that.
At least we got to see Yamcha and Bulma's daughter.
It's how, too, that gets me. I can't say I like it. It even felt cold.
Also I think they had a boy.
You keep saying that about Tien, and it confuses me. What other choice did Tien had in this situation? It's not like anybody told Nasu to jump in and hold Vegeta in place. They tried to convince him to join them from the very start. Nasu decided to sacrifice himself on his own. Should they've let this opportunity be wasted? Vegeta would've dodged or sent the spirit bomb back 100%, if Nasu didn't jump in. It was a "now or never situation".
You make it seem like Tien really enjoyed killing Nasu, which is really weird thinking imo.
I say it for a few reasons, honestly, though my mention of Tien being 'eager' is kill Gohan is a joke. I know he didn't actually want to kill Gohan. But I did think it was a little weird how he interacted and reacted to the son of one of his closest friends: Like, during the initial battle, it sorta felt - I'm sure unintentionally - like Tien gave up on reasoning with Gohan a little too quickly, as well as resorting to killing him in battle. This is obviously before Gohan remembered his ties to Earth and Tien decided to offer a team-up against Vegeta. However, what I mentioned is coupled with Tien unleashing his full power after Gohan holds Vegeta (which is mostly just part of my joke of Tien enjoying the opportunity to kill Gohan), but most of all how seemingly little Tien was fighting with the fact that 'Nasu' is Goku's son in mind. Like, it felt as if the association of this young Half-Saiyan and Goku was lacking on Tien's part. I know he didn't personally know Gohan yet, but it's still Goku's, who Tien would probably feel he owes a great debt to that he wouldn't know how to repay, for straying him away from the Crane School's path, until - in this context - realizing Gohan was taken and needs saving. Even with that last idea about debts aside, everything aforementioned just made Tien come off as a little cold. I only mentioned my dislike of a cold Tien because some people do actually depict him as being a little cold sometimes. I even recall someone once saying under a FighterZ clip (a pre-battle interaction cutscene between Tien, Piccolo and Android 21) how they forgot these two (referring to Piccolo and Tien) have a heart, because while they can be a little broody or serious, they are actually capable of great feats of empathy that isn't always seen.
But I'm not saying this from a critic's standpoint, I'm just explaining my thoughts and thought process, here. That's all.
If this funeral is for Gohan, too, I'm surprised Chichi even allowed Tien to attend.
It's how, too, that gets me. I can't say I like it. It even felt cold.
Also I think they had a boy. 2 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 154
King Kindred was saying:
It's still crazy that Tien straight up eradicated Gohan like that.
At least we got to see Yamcha and Bulma's daughter.
At least we got to see Yamcha and Bulma's daughter.
It's how, too, that gets me. I can't say I like it. It even felt cold.
Also I think they had a boy. 2 Replie(s)
siksteen was saying:
Oh man, poor Chichi. What an awful destiny to endure.
Also, is Tien alive? I think so right?
Also, is Tien alive? I think so right?
Probably. It's really not looking good for him. I don't like cold Tien.
FishNChips was saying:
Maybe they just got Gohan a gravestone after he was taken by Raditz because they assumed he was dead.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nasu's still alive and recovering after the battle with Vegeta and Chi-Chi's now remembering Gohan's innocence before he was corrupted by Saiyans, or something like that.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nasu's still alive and recovering after the battle with Vegeta and Chi-Chi's now remembering Gohan's innocence before he was corrupted by Saiyans, or something like that.
I guess we'll see what happens. Sometimes there really is more than one avenue. I do think it's a little dumb seeing how seemingly-eagerly Tien was willing to kill the son of one of his closest friends.
Uzurper was saying:
Ok, so apparently nobody else showed up to the funeral?
Maybe this isn't a funeral, just a visit.
ZenBuu was saying:
Shabby was saying: in DBM, Gohan always has the worst luck in every single universe but 18 and 16.
Teleported_Bread was saying: CornBreadtm was saying: Across every timeline in the multiverse, Zeno hears Gohan's cry here and decides "Fk em." From this moment on, Gohan is cursed with stockpiling bad luck. Said bad luck spreads outwardly, the more someone cares about Gohan, the higher the bad luck will become. Everyone around Gohan will die one after another till he's the only one left, then he'll die.
Uh, ok? What moments in Gohan's life are you thinking of, exactly, if you don't mind me asking.
This story here is not connected with DBM. Though you could argue that this could've easily happened in some other universe outside of the 20 universes at the tournament.
Teleported_Bread was saying: CornBreadtm was saying: Across every timeline in the multiverse, Zeno hears Gohan's cry here and decides "Fk em." From this moment on, Gohan is cursed with stockpiling bad luck. Said bad luck spreads outwardly, the more someone cares about Gohan, the higher the bad luck will become. Everyone around Gohan will die one after another till he's the only one left, then he'll die.
Uh, ok? What moments in Gohan's life are you thinking of, exactly, if you don't mind me asking.
This story here is not connected with DBM. Though you could argue that this could've easily happened in some other universe outside of the 20 universes at the tournament.
ZenBuu I feel so bad that you have to keep having to say the same thing lol
CornBreadtm was saying:
Across every timeline in the multiverse, Zeno hears Gohan's cry here and decides "Fk em." From this moment on, Gohan is cursed with stockpiling bad luck. Said bad luck spreads outwardly, the more someone cares about Gohan, the higher the bad luck will become. Everyone around Gohan will die one after another till he's the only one left, then he'll die.
Uh, ok? What moments in Gohan's life are you thinking of, exactly, if you don't mind me asking. 2 Replie(s)
Damian Qualshy was saying:
Super Gojita 3 was saying: Nice.
I don't mind the fan service here at all with 21 being dbm canon. I wonder what her retconned back story will be. not going to have the db fighterz powers of course, or the split personality clone, or the candy beam probably.
but geros wife? sure.
I guess this is the android bulma spoke of earlier when she said they beat one technically.
iron leaf was saying: To be honest, I don't like Android 21.
I have a certain aversion to DBM doing this. The idea that Gero had a wife sounds logical, of course. And maybe DBM simply incorporated the fact that Gero had a wife named Vomi. And if nothing else was taken over except that Vomi was also a scientist, then that's fine with me. The whole plot of FighterZ is much more fan fiction to me than actual fan fiction.
Vomi isn't only Fighterz canon. The same design appeared in DBS Super Hero movie. And also in the DBZ Kakarot game.
I don't mind the fan service here at all with 21 being dbm canon. I wonder what her retconned back story will be. not going to have the db fighterz powers of course, or the split personality clone, or the candy beam probably.
but geros wife? sure.
I guess this is the android bulma spoke of earlier when she said they beat one technically.
iron leaf was saying: To be honest, I don't like Android 21.
I have a certain aversion to DBM doing this. The idea that Gero had a wife sounds logical, of course. And maybe DBM simply incorporated the fact that Gero had a wife named Vomi. And if nothing else was taken over except that Vomi was also a scientist, then that's fine with me. The whole plot of FighterZ is much more fan fiction to me than actual fan fiction.
Vomi isn't only Fighterz canon. The same design appeared in DBS Super Hero movie. And also in the DBZ Kakarot game.
My assumption has long been that Vomi and 21 are literally the same person, and that Vomi was Gero's lab partner when they first met who believed the Red Ribbon Army could help the world and performed more benevolent research, to match with her kinder personality in FighterZ. For any number of potential reasons, Gero would later experiment on Vomi's body with cells, some of which had regenerative properties that restored her youth. If we go by FighterZ's story, she was probably left in stasis - possibly due to the berserk cells that made her mentally unstable, if not something else - and regardless of when or how she emerged, I assumed Gero's experiments and procedures somehow left her with amnesia, leaving only a few impression of 21's 'past life' as a full-on Human.
Oh crap. I wasn't expecting this. And I am not complaining; 21 is a character who is very much welcomed into the fold, to me.
DB Multiverse page 2596
In hindsight, I think Gohan doesn't respect Vegito or sees his father in him anymore. He might not even see Vegeta anymore, either, in him.
DBMultiverse Colors page 458
ZenBuu was saying:
oskarloko was saying: They have dragonballs ?
You already asked that question 2 pages ago and I answered you. Maybe you didn't see it. No, they don't.
Teleported_Bread was saying: I think Tien forgot what Goku wanted them to do.
Why does he seem so eager to kill his son lol
Goku never told them to do anything? He just said to Chichi, that she shouldn't worry, Gohan will come back (page 89). Nothing more. Or what are you referring to?
And did Tien have much of a choice here? He only had this one shot at killing Vegeta. If this failed, Vegeta would've killed them all. And Nasu made the decision to sacrifice himself, ensuring that it would definitely hit Vegeta. Not much Tien could do about it.
You already asked that question 2 pages ago and I answered you. Maybe you didn't see it. No, they don't.
Teleported_Bread was saying: I think Tien forgot what Goku wanted them to do.
Why does he seem so eager to kill his son lol
Goku never told them to do anything? He just said to Chichi, that she shouldn't worry, Gohan will come back (page 89). Nothing more. Or what are you referring to?
And did Tien have much of a choice here? He only had this one shot at killing Vegeta. If this failed, Vegeta would've killed them all. And Nasu made the decision to sacrifice himself, ensuring that it would definitely hit Vegeta. Not much Tien could do about it.
Ik ik I was joking around =)
CornBreadtm was saying:
obserwator was saying: 1) Don't celebrate too soon.
2) There is still Freezer.
Not easy world I guess.
Freeza was a factor because of the Nameks, Nappa and Vegeta never meet Piccolo to put two and two together that the Namek was the source of dragon balls. So Freeza has no idea about them. Along with Piccolo died and never told them Raditz about the dragon balls in the first place.
2) There is still Freezer.
Not easy world I guess.
Freeza was a factor because of the Nameks, Nappa and Vegeta never meet Piccolo to put two and two together that the Namek was the source of dragon balls. So Freeza has no idea about them. Along with Piccolo died and never told them Raditz about the dragon balls in the first place.
Frieza might be a factor either way. Gohan might meet and train with Goku in the other world before returning to the living world.
I think Tien forgot what Goku wanted them to do.
Why does he seem so eager to kill his son lol 1 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 148
Why does he seem so eager to kill his son lol 1 Replie(s)
obserwator was saying:
You skipped best part hehehe.
At last they got a happy end
At last they got a happy end
What part is that?
Koshej was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: Knowing DB what-ifs, I could easily see a fusion of Resurrection F and DBS: Broly occurring in Trunks's future.
What do you mean more specifically?
My point is that Super's Broly only got pissed when Paragus died, due to Frieza killing him.
If there's no Paragus around, even having Frieza around shouldn't be a strong enough TRIGGER for psycho-Broly.
Again, THIS Broly is NOT a bad guy, or a psycho either.
He needs a very STRONG (and probably personal) stress in order to "go crazy".
So, what do YOU think would work as such in this Universe - if at all?
Or am I forgetting something?
What do you mean more specifically?
My point is that Super's Broly only got pissed when Paragus died, due to Frieza killing him.
If there's no Paragus around, even having Frieza around shouldn't be a strong enough TRIGGER for psycho-Broly.
Again, THIS Broly is NOT a bad guy, or a psycho either.
He needs a very STRONG (and probably personal) stress in order to "go crazy".
So, what do YOU think would work as such in this Universe - if at all?
Or am I forgetting something?
I think you just misunderstood me slightly. that's ok. Anyways, I was just adding my input to what you said about Frieza, Broly, Paragus, etc.
Broly isn't crazy, you're right, but when he and Paragus were found, Paragus already had white hair from old age. Around thirty more years is a long time and he could have possibly died by natural causes by the time the Frieza Force finds them without Frieza, in a hypothetical scenario. After all, they can't sneak anyone onto Earth since their Dragon Balls are no more, so they'd have to continue searching for Planet Namek while likely seeking new recruits to replenish their forces from repeated conquest failures under Sorbet's leadership. There lies that chance they'll finally find what they're looking for and would be looking for. Broly was practically conditioned to wanna fight Vegeta, as we see in the movie when he can barely contain himself before Paragus tells him to get them/attack. He seemingly began to enjoy fighting, though, while fighting Goku, and started gaining control of his berserker mentality, before Frieza kills Paragus and causes him to go even more berserk than before. Broly doesn't go 'psycho', he grieves and the anger from it causes him to drown in his own power and explode. He loses himself, probably requiring a shock since he nearly gained control of himself again at the end of his fight with Gogeta.
kcheeb was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: basemynick was saying: kcheeb was saying: Jolly711 was saying: And we just ignore the dead trunks and mai of this timeline 😆.
But happy this trunks got a happy ending.
maybe theyll go to new namek and resurrect dead trunks amd mai. and maybe everhome incl vegeta also
if new namek not avail use supe4 dragonball even
IchigoMait was saying: Yeah, how old was she again?
very disturbing... shes in her mid 60s around. its 60sth yr old with a 20yr old man. bet she thinks she hit a jackpot hthough
I thought trunks was in his 30s in super, but the most important thing to me is whether or not Trunks even knows that Mai has been around a lot longer.
Trunks is likely in his 20s in Super while he was probably below 20 years in Z, at least when he first appeared in the past. He was often described as a kid, anyway.
Also Mai's age isn't disturbing, it's only 'disturbing' if you look at it too deeply, which y'all are.
Imo, Mai probably stopped viewing herself as an adult at some point after Pilaf made them young again, maybe even started leaning into the concept of this being a second chance at life. That mentality and more would explain her behavior later in Super's storyline.
no... just because some one is physically turned into a child, ir doesnt mean the mind regress
look at gt goku
But happy this trunks got a happy ending.
maybe theyll go to new namek and resurrect dead trunks amd mai. and maybe everhome incl vegeta also
if new namek not avail use supe4 dragonball even
IchigoMait was saying: Yeah, how old was she again?
very disturbing... shes in her mid 60s around. its 60sth yr old with a 20yr old man. bet she thinks she hit a jackpot hthough
I thought trunks was in his 30s in super, but the most important thing to me is whether or not Trunks even knows that Mai has been around a lot longer.
Trunks is likely in his 20s in Super while he was probably below 20 years in Z, at least when he first appeared in the past. He was often described as a kid, anyway.
Also Mai's age isn't disturbing, it's only 'disturbing' if you look at it too deeply, which y'all are.
Imo, Mai probably stopped viewing herself as an adult at some point after Pilaf made them young again, maybe even started leaning into the concept of this being a second chance at life. That mentality and more would explain her behavior later in Super's storyline.
no... just because some one is physically turned into a child, ir doesnt mean the mind regress
look at gt goku
I never suggested regression.
iron leaf was saying:
I don't want to coerce the discussion to stop. However, I should mention that there is no in-universe reason why Son Bra has a inconsistent appearance in the original vision on page 732. There is no twist. It is quite frankly just a mistake on the part of the creators.
That's fine, I just like to use my head a little. It's fun to think of these sorts of things. And I know you're not discouraging it, either. Just trying to prevent confusion, right? 1 Replie(s)
basemynick was saying:
kcheeb was saying: Jolly711 was saying: And we just ignore the dead trunks and mai of this timeline 😆.
But happy this trunks got a happy ending.
maybe theyll go to new namek and resurrect dead trunks amd mai. and maybe everhome incl vegeta also
if new namek not avail use supe4 dragonball even
IchigoMait was saying: Yeah, how old was she again?
very disturbing... shes in her mid 60s around. its 60sth yr old with a 20yr old man. bet she thinks she hit a jackpot hthough
I thought trunks was in his 30s in super, but the most important thing to me is whether or not Trunks even knows that Mai has been around a lot longer.
But happy this trunks got a happy ending.
maybe theyll go to new namek and resurrect dead trunks amd mai. and maybe everhome incl vegeta also
if new namek not avail use supe4 dragonball even
IchigoMait was saying: Yeah, how old was she again?
very disturbing... shes in her mid 60s around. its 60sth yr old with a 20yr old man. bet she thinks she hit a jackpot hthough
I thought trunks was in his 30s in super, but the most important thing to me is whether or not Trunks even knows that Mai has been around a lot longer.
Trunks is likely in his 20s in Super while he was probably below 20 years in Z, at least when he first appeared in the past. He was often described as a kid, anyway.
Also Mai's age isn't disturbing, it's only 'disturbing' if you look at it too deeply, which y'all are.
Imo, Mai probably stopped viewing herself as an adult at some point after Pilaf made them young again, maybe even started leaning into the concept of this being a second chance at life. That mentality and more would explain her behavior later in Super's storyline. 1 Replie(s)
ZenBuu was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: There's like one more page after this, right?
Is there? This is the last page, look at the french version. It even says "The End" on the bottom.
Is there? This is the last page, look at the french version. It even says "The End" on the bottom.
The last page is this shot with Trunks, a pregnant Mai and Bulma in the bg, but without the text boxes. Feels like a good cherry on top to show that Trunks is living in peace now plus more.
There's like one more page after this, right?
Frieza's dead, but his forces are should still be looking for Planet Namek. After several decades, it's very possible Sorbet would have found the Namekian Dragon Balls by now to use to resurrect Frieza and King Cold (after realizing he gets more than one wish, without the Pilaf Gang being present to intervene). It's also just as possible they would have found Broly on Planet Vampa (and yes, only Broly. By now, Paragus would have possibly succumbed to old age, leaving Broly alone). Knowing DB what-ifs, I could easily see a fusion of Resurrection F and DBS: Broly occurring in Trunks's future. 2 Replie(s)
The inexorable distortion page 129
Koshej was saying:
Ellie was saying: and then BROLY arrives rararararar smasssh
Actually, with Trunks being the only Saiyan left around (and that one, only by half) - is Super's Broly gonna be a problem?
Especially with NO Freeza around either?
I'm too lazy to check, but THIS Broly actually isn't a murderous psycho ON HIS OWN.
He's super strong, he has his known potential, but he's a rather relatively peaceful guy, if and when left alone.
Paragus is Paragus, but it's also a rather unknown variable.
On the other hand, Cheelai is unrelated to Earth, so she should still exist here as well.
Sure, again, her plot is also connected to Freeza, but that's adding more unknowns to the mix.
So, all that said, there's quite a bit of a chance that it'd play out very differently here, even if Broly does appear on Earth for some reason.
Actually, with Trunks being the only Saiyan left around (and that one, only by half) - is Super's Broly gonna be a problem?
Especially with NO Freeza around either?
I'm too lazy to check, but THIS Broly actually isn't a murderous psycho ON HIS OWN.
He's super strong, he has his known potential, but he's a rather relatively peaceful guy, if and when left alone.
Paragus is Paragus, but it's also a rather unknown variable.
On the other hand, Cheelai is unrelated to Earth, so she should still exist here as well.
Sure, again, her plot is also connected to Freeza, but that's adding more unknowns to the mix.
So, all that said, there's quite a bit of a chance that it'd play out very differently here, even if Broly does appear on Earth for some reason.
Frieza's dead, but his forces are should still be looking for Planet Namek. After several decades, it's very possible Sorbet would have found the Namekian Dragon Balls by now to use to resurrect Frieza and King Cold (after realizing he gets more than one wish, without the Pilaf Gang being present to intervene). It's also just as possible they would have found Broly on Planet Vampa (and yes, only Broly. By now, Paragus would have possibly succumbed to old age, leaving Broly alone). Knowing DB what-ifs, I could easily see a fusion of Resurrection F and DBS: Broly occurring in Trunks's future. 2 Replie(s)
Damian Qualshy was saying:
Teleported_Bread was saying: mAc Chaos was saying: kcheeb was saying: Kanyon was saying: Part of me hates that DB Super didn't give trunk's world a happy ending like this comic's special. The other part of me sees it as so devastating that not even the dragon balls could fix. Not everyone gets a happy ending and that's ok.
This comic is nice though, I appreciate the vision and the direction it took.
tgis comic's trunks original universe is also deleted by zeno
in fa t thisncomic is direct continuation of super
its a scenario of what happened to new timeline trunks and mai went to after end of black saga
yeah but at least he got to secure the future with his own hands this time, and theres only 1 of him again instead of being a weird redundant copy
Yeah I have a strong feeling Whis wasn't being literal when he said that. Like, he definitely didn't actually plop him and Mai in a world where versions of them already exist in. Plus I'm sure doing such a thing would break some sort of divine law.
And we all know he likes to troll a little, too.
He didn't "plop them" anywhere. He didn't do anything in DBS. He simply told Trunks to use the time machine to travel before Black arrived/before Shin was killed and then contact Future Whis via Future Shin to deal with Immortal Zamasu.
They went to live in an exact copy of their timeline.
This comic is nice though, I appreciate the vision and the direction it took.
tgis comic's trunks original universe is also deleted by zeno
in fa t thisncomic is direct continuation of super
its a scenario of what happened to new timeline trunks and mai went to after end of black saga
yeah but at least he got to secure the future with his own hands this time, and theres only 1 of him again instead of being a weird redundant copy
Yeah I have a strong feeling Whis wasn't being literal when he said that. Like, he definitely didn't actually plop him and Mai in a world where versions of them already exist in. Plus I'm sure doing such a thing would break some sort of divine law.
And we all know he likes to troll a little, too.
He didn't "plop them" anywhere. He didn't do anything in DBS. He simply told Trunks to use the time machine to travel before Black arrived/before Shin was killed and then contact Future Whis via Future Shin to deal with Immortal Zamasu.
They went to live in an exact copy of their timeline.
I didn't mean literally. I know he didn't actually 'plop' them. But knowing Whis, too, he most definitely did not really send Trunks and Mai to a timeline where essential-duplicates of them exist already. The beginning of this comic's story shows that it doesn't have to be literal and what could be possible.
Also that's not what happened; Pilaf didn't outsmart Bulma. I know what you're referring to. 1 Replie(s)
siksteen was saying:
Bra's hair being different from the vision could be some kind of butterfly effect or maybe just me reading way too much into it?
I was just thinking of the idea that the events between Bardock's vision and the vision finally unfolding, particularly the ones caused by higher powers, altering the envisioned point and outcome of things slightly.
mAc Chaos was saying:
kcheeb was saying: Kanyon was saying: Part of me hates that DB Super didn't give trunk's world a happy ending like this comic's special. The other part of me sees it as so devastating that not even the dragon balls could fix. Not everyone gets a happy ending and that's ok.
This comic is nice though, I appreciate the vision and the direction it took.
tgis comic's trunks original universe is also deleted by zeno
in fa t thisncomic is direct continuation of super
its a scenario of what happened to new timeline trunks and mai went to after end of black saga
yeah but at least he got to secure the future with his own hands this time, and theres only 1 of him again instead of being a weird redundant copy
This comic is nice though, I appreciate the vision and the direction it took.
tgis comic's trunks original universe is also deleted by zeno
in fa t thisncomic is direct continuation of super
its a scenario of what happened to new timeline trunks and mai went to after end of black saga
yeah but at least he got to secure the future with his own hands this time, and theres only 1 of him again instead of being a weird redundant copy
Yeah I have a strong feeling Whis wasn't being literal when he said that. Like, he definitely didn't actually plop him and Mai in a world where versions of them already exist in. Plus I'm sure doing such a thing would break some sort of divine law.
And we all know he likes to troll a little, too. 1 Replie(s)
papupata was saying:
Will Vegeta really change his tune so completely and not only untransform but apologize as well?
if he apologizes, which i thought of him doing as well, it might be later
Kanyon was saying:
Part of me hates that DB Super didn't give trunk's world a happy ending like this comic's special. The other part of me sees it as so devastating that not even the dragon balls could fix. Not everyone gets a happy ending and that's ok.
This comic is nice though, I appreciate the vision and the direction it took.
This comic is nice though, I appreciate the vision and the direction it took.
The Goku Black Arc's ending did feel a little rushed, but the only bright side to that ending was Whis. Specifically, with his personality in mind at least, we know he wouldn't actually drop him and Mai in a timeline where they already exist. Not to mention I'm sure such a thing would break some sort of divine law. I think this comic shows not all has to be what it seems and why and how that could work. It's one of the reasons I enjoy it, too.
I wonder what Son Bra and Videl's relationship is. Being with her was probably a good escape from Vegito, where she could just unwind and relax.
How is it shallow
DB Multiverse page 2591
TheHuardian was saying:
Feeling like U18 Gohan is selling Vegeta short by leaps and bounds. Not a huge fan of this exchange.
Vegeta is rightfully upset, but he's not going to hurt Videl over it. Bra being Bra, U18 Gohan not defending Vegeta, it's just shallow.
Vegeta is rightfully upset, but he's not going to hurt Videl over it. Bra being Bra, U18 Gohan not defending Vegeta, it's just shallow.
How is it shallow
kcheeb was saying:
SandLandDemon91 was saying: kcheeb was saying: uh wouldnt this have been cleaner if ramush went to kill black
instead of sending a measly apprentice supreme kai
The problem with that is, the GOD have been shown to destroy on a whim, not because they were told or forced to. Besides Beerus using Hakai on Zamasu after they found out his plan to kill Gowasu, it seems all the deities, including the angels, Supreme Kai, and GOD, aren't really allowed to intervene unless it means total destruction of the universe.
beerus intervened and hakai zamasu after it was proven he was going to murder gowasu (a suoreme kai)
this black is even worse because he already committed crime of killing 12 supreme kais. GOD would be fully justified w in intervention
instead of sending a measly apprentice supreme kai
The problem with that is, the GOD have been shown to destroy on a whim, not because they were told or forced to. Besides Beerus using Hakai on Zamasu after they found out his plan to kill Gowasu, it seems all the deities, including the angels, Supreme Kai, and GOD, aren't really allowed to intervene unless it means total destruction of the universe.
beerus intervened and hakai zamasu after it was proven he was going to murder gowasu (a suoreme kai)
this black is even worse because he already committed crime of killing 12 supreme kais. GOD would be fully justified w in intervention
I'm sure Beerus stepping in was a unique circumstance, if not simply something of his own accord.
Füchsin was saying:
Daiko was saying: She insinuates he doesn't care about his dead children when, clearly, he wants revenge
No, she insinuates that he does care more about his revenge than making sure they resurrect their kids, because, again, as far as she is concerned having a very risky (at best) go at Xxi, instead of playing it save and try to avoid conflict is risking their kids resurrection.
He obviously cares about his kids, she just thinks he cares about his revenge more than about making as sure as possible that they get resurrected.
No, she insinuates that he does care more about his revenge than making sure they resurrect their kids, because, again, as far as she is concerned having a very risky (at best) go at Xxi, instead of playing it save and try to avoid conflict is risking their kids resurrection.
He obviously cares about his kids, she just thinks he cares about his revenge more than about making as sure as possible that they get resurrected.
It's only natural she'd respond like that with the kind of emotions she's going through. i don't get why some people here are having such a hard time understanding some things, sometimes
"Goku's kid is getting in on this!? Hell yeah! whips out the extra arms HAAAAAAA!!!"
~Tien probably
Saigo no Son page 144
~Tien probably
Kyan Zennaro was saying:
Grimael was saying: All part of the plan. Now he can wreak havoc from a high position.
wouldn't he now be tied to Ramush's lifeline and wouldn't be able to cause havoc without having himself killed?
wouldn't he now be tied to Ramush's lifeline and wouldn't be able to cause havoc without having himself killed?
That's why the title of Supreme Kai is earned through absolute trust and very long, thorough training. This Zamasu realized the worthlessness of his prejudice for mortals. I'm also sure a Supreme Kai's lifelink can be or is severed in the event that they fall.
Damian Qualshy was saying:
Well that was quick..
My assumption has always been that the defeat of Goku Black, a version of himself consumed and driven by his ego and hate, was or was an equivalent to this Zamasu's final trial as an Apprentice Supreme Kai. 1 Replie(s)
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Satan is just citing he will forgive him, regardless of the courts verdict.
In any case, AS long as you guys remain civil, this topic is likely also considered legal, just try to remember that db has its own strange rules, considering bulma skipped school, I think, without any consequences.
(this is obviously worse than that lol)
Uh, I really don't know if I can go with that argument. Besides, fiction is rooted in real life, after all.
so i posted inages of page 72 to 81 of this comic to chatgpt and asked if this is murder or manslaughter, first or second degree etc, and this was what it answered
[quote]Short answer: it would almost certainly be treated as manslaughter (or the Korean equivalent), not first-degree murder.
Here’s how courts usually break it down:
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I know this wasn’t done with bad intentions, but publishing pages from an artist on ChatGPT without asking for their permission beforehand isn’t appropriate.
An artificial intelligence doesn’t simply display an image. It analyzes drawings, lines, compositions, and styles in order to understand how they are made. In other words, it can study the artist’s work to learn how to reproduce or imitate certain aspects of their style.
The issue is that this happens without the artist’s consent. Their work, their style, and the many hours of practice that allowed them to develop that artistic identity can become material for a machine to analyze, which can feel like a form of appropriation of their work.
Respecting an artist also means respecting their right to decide where and how their artwork is shared, used, or analyzed. That’s why it is always better to ask for their permission before publishing or using their pages in this kind of tool.
Yeah ChatGPT is like really bad news.
Actually, triggers can get pulled by accident. Even if that aspect of the shooting MIGHT have arguably felt a little forced (or not?), it is possible. Also nobody is saying Videl isn't wrong for being upset, but Mr. Satan isn't wrong in forgiving his wife's killer, either. That in general takes a lot of strength and courage. In other words, both father and daughter are right in their own two ways. It's easy to believe anger, hate or violence is courageous. But in a situation like this, it's ok to say 'I forgive you' just as it's ok to be upset.
Yeah uh I don't think choosing to forgive your wife's killer is related to the justice system. It's a choice. I just don't know if he did it in front of the cameras because it was supposed to be like giving someone an official statement about something, or if Mr. Satan went there of his own accord and by doing so simply got their attention. I guess there's just a piece of context that feels missing that's making this whole scenario feel kinda... loose? 1 Replie(s)