Shabby was saying: in DBM, Gohan always has the worst luck in every single universe but 18 and 16.

Teleported_Bread was saying: CornBreadtm was saying: Across every timeline in the multiverse, Zeno hears Gohan's cry here and decides "Fk em." From this moment on, Gohan is cursed with stockpiling bad luck. Said bad luck spreads outwardly, the more someone cares about Gohan, the higher the bad luck will become. Everyone around Gohan will die one after another till he's the only one left, then he'll die.
Uh, ok? What moments in Gohan's life are you thinking of, exactly, if you don't mind me asking.
This story here is not connected with DBM. Though you could argue that this could've easily happened in some other universe outside of the 20 universes at the tournament.

Across every timeline in the multiverse, Zeno hears Gohan's cry here and decides "Fk em." From this moment on, Gohan is cursed with stockpiling bad luck. Said bad luck spreads outwardly, the more someone cares about Gohan, the higher the bad luck will become. Everyone around Gohan will die one after another till he's the only one left, then he'll die.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Nice.

I don't mind the fan service here at all with 21 being dbm canon. I wonder what her retconned back story will be. not going to have the db fighterz powers of course, or the split personality clone, or the candy beam probably.

but geros wife? sure.

I guess this is the android bulma spoke of earlier when she said they beat one technically.
iron leaf was saying: To be honest, I don't like Android 21.
I have a certain aversion to DBM doing this. The idea that Gero had a wife sounds logical, of course. And maybe DBM simply incorporated the fact that Gero had a wife named Vomi. And if nothing else was taken over except that Vomi was also a scientist, then that's fine with me. The whole plot of FighterZ is much more fan fiction to me than actual fan fiction.
Vomi isn't only Fighterz canon. The same design appeared in DBS Super Hero movie. And also in the DBZ Kakarot game.

oskarloko was saying: They have dragonballs ?
You already asked that question 2 pages ago and I answered you. Maybe you didn't see it. No, they don't.

Teleported_Bread was saying: I think Tien forgot what Goku wanted them to do.
Why does he seem so eager to kill his son lol
Goku never told them to do anything? He just said to Chichi, that she shouldn't worry, Gohan will come back (page 89). Nothing more. Or what are you referring to?

And did Tien have much of a choice here? He only had this one shot at killing Vegeta. If this failed, Vegeta would've killed them all. And Nasu made the decision to sacrifice himself, ensuring that it would definitely hit Vegeta. Not much Tien could do about it.

obserwator was saying: 1) Don't celebrate too soon.
2) There is still Freezer.

Not easy world I guess.
Freeza was a factor because of the Nameks, Nappa and Vegeta never meet Piccolo to put two and two together that the Namek was the source of dragon balls. So Freeza has no idea about them. Along with Piccolo died and never told them Raditz about the dragon balls in the first place.

You skipped best part hehehe.

At last they got a happy end

Teleported_Bread was saying: Knowing DB what-ifs, I could easily see a fusion of Resurrection F and DBS: Broly occurring in Trunks's future.
What do you mean more specifically?
My point is that Super's Broly only got pissed when Paragus died, due to Frieza killing him.
If there's no Paragus around, even having Frieza around shouldn't be a strong enough TRIGGER for psycho-Broly.
Again, THIS Broly is NOT a bad guy, or a psycho either.
He needs a very STRONG (and probably personal) stress in order to "go crazy".
So, what do YOU think would work as such in this Universe - if at all?
Or am I forgetting something?

Teleported_Bread was saying: basemynick was saying: kcheeb was saying: Jolly711 was saying: And we just ignore the dead trunks and mai of this timeline 😆.
But happy this trunks got a happy ending.
maybe theyll go to new namek and resurrect dead trunks amd mai. and maybe everhome incl vegeta also

if new namek not avail use supe4 dragonball even

IchigoMait was saying: Yeah, how old was she again?

very disturbing... shes in her mid 60s around. its 60sth yr old with a 20yr old man. bet she thinks she hit a jackpot hthough

I thought trunks was in his 30s in super, but the most important thing to me is whether or not Trunks even knows that Mai has been around a lot longer.
Trunks is likely in his 20s in Super while he was probably below 20 years in Z, at least when he first appeared in the past. He was often described as a kid, anyway.

Also Mai's age isn't disturbing, it's only 'disturbing' if you look at it too deeply, which y'all are.
Imo, Mai probably stopped viewing herself as an adult at some point after Pilaf made them young again, maybe even started leaning into the concept of this being a second chance at life. That mentality and more would explain her behavior later in Super's storyline.
no... just because some one is physically turned into a child, ir doesnt mean the mind regress

look at gt goku

I don't want to coerce the discussion to stop. However, I should mention that there is no in-universe reason why Son Bra has a inconsistent appearance in the original vision on page 732. There is no twist. It is quite frankly just a mistake on the part of the creators.

kcheeb was saying: Jolly711 was saying: And we just ignore the dead trunks and mai of this timeline 😆.
But happy this trunks got a happy ending.
maybe theyll go to new namek and resurrect dead trunks amd mai. and maybe everhome incl vegeta also

if new namek not avail use supe4 dragonball even

IchigoMait was saying: Yeah, how old was she again?

very disturbing... shes in her mid 60s around. its 60sth yr old with a 20yr old man. bet she thinks she hit a jackpot hthough

I thought trunks was in his 30s in super, but the most important thing to me is whether or not Trunks even knows that Mai has been around a lot longer.

Teleported_Bread was saying: There's like one more page after this, right?
Is there? This is the last page, look at the french version. It even says "The End" on the bottom.

Ellie was saying: and then BROLY arrives rararararar smasssh
Actually, with Trunks being the only Saiyan left around (and that one, only by half) - is Super's Broly gonna be a problem?
Especially with NO Freeza around either?
I'm too lazy to check, but THIS Broly actually isn't a murderous psycho ON HIS OWN.
He's super strong, he has his known potential, but he's a rather relatively peaceful guy, if and when left alone.
Paragus is Paragus, but it's also a rather unknown variable.
On the other hand, Cheelai is unrelated to Earth, so she should still exist here as well.
Sure, again, her plot is also connected to Freeza, but that's adding more unknowns to the mix.
So, all that said, there's quite a bit of a chance that it'd play out very differently here, even if Broly does appear on Earth for some reason.

Teleported_Bread was saying: mAc Chaos was saying: kcheeb was saying: Kanyon was saying: Part of me hates that DB Super didn't give trunk's world a happy ending like this comic's special. The other part of me sees it as so devastating that not even the dragon balls could fix. Not everyone gets a happy ending and that's ok.

This comic is nice though, I appreciate the vision and the direction it took.
tgis comic's trunks original universe is also deleted by zeno

in fa t thisncomic is direct continuation of super

its a scenario of what happened to new timeline trunks and mai went to after end of black saga
yeah but at least he got to secure the future with his own hands this time, and theres only 1 of him again instead of being a weird redundant copy
Yeah I have a strong feeling Whis wasn't being literal when he said that. Like, he definitely didn't actually plop him and Mai in a world where versions of them already exist in. Plus I'm sure doing such a thing would break some sort of divine law.
And we all know he likes to troll a little, too.
He didn't "plop them" anywhere. He didn't do anything in DBS. He simply told Trunks to use the time machine to travel before Black arrived/before Shin was killed and then contact Future Whis via Future Shin to deal with Immortal Zamasu.
They went to live in an exact copy of their timeline.

Bra's hair being different from the vision could be some kind of butterfly effect or maybe just me reading way too much into it?

kcheeb was saying: Kanyon was saying: Part of me hates that DB Super didn't give trunk's world a happy ending like this comic's special. The other part of me sees it as so devastating that not even the dragon balls could fix. Not everyone gets a happy ending and that's ok.

This comic is nice though, I appreciate the vision and the direction it took.
tgis comic's trunks original universe is also deleted by zeno

in fa t thisncomic is direct continuation of super

its a scenario of what happened to new timeline trunks and mai went to after end of black saga
yeah but at least he got to secure the future with his own hands this time, and theres only 1 of him again instead of being a weird redundant copy

Will Vegeta really change his tune so completely and not only untransform but apologize as well?

Part of me hates that DB Super didn't give trunk's world a happy ending like this comic's special. The other part of me sees it as so devastating that not even the dragon balls could fix. Not everyone gets a happy ending and that's ok.

This comic is nice though, I appreciate the vision and the direction it took.

Feeling like U18 Gohan is selling Vegeta short by leaps and bounds. Not a huge fan of this exchange.

Vegeta is rightfully upset, but he's not going to hurt Videl over it. Bra being Bra, U18 Gohan not defending Vegeta, it's just shallow.

SandLandDemon91 was saying: kcheeb was saying: uh wouldnt this have been cleaner if ramush went to kill black

instead of sending a measly apprentice supreme kai

The problem with that is, the GOD have been shown to destroy on a whim, not because they were told or forced to. Besides Beerus using Hakai on Zamasu after they found out his plan to kill Gowasu, it seems all the deities, including the angels, Supreme Kai, and GOD, aren't really allowed to intervene unless it means total destruction of the universe.
beerus intervened and hakai zamasu after it was proven he was going to murder gowasu (a suoreme kai)

this black is even worse because he already committed crime of killing 12 supreme kais. GOD would be fully justified w in intervention

Daiko was saying: She insinuates he doesn't care about his dead children when, clearly, he wants revenge

No, she insinuates that he does care more about his revenge than making sure they resurrect their kids, because, again, as far as she is concerned having a very risky (at best) go at Xxi, instead of playing it save and try to avoid conflict is risking their kids resurrection.
He obviously cares about his kids, she just thinks he cares about his revenge more than about making as sure as possible that they get resurrected.

Grimael was saying: All part of the plan. Now he can wreak havoc from a high position.

wouldn't he now be tied to Ramush's lifeline and wouldn't be able to cause havoc without having himself killed?

Well that was quick..

Bra just wants to smoke with her genetic uncle.

Next page will be Piccolo telling them both that his will allows them to exist. Meaning we have one last vision left.

False drama. Her daughter isn't gonna get revived if she stays home, obviously they're gonna revive everyone, and she knows that. Also that was really weirdly cruel of her when she just heard that Vegeta's children were just killed. She should also know Vegeta obviously wants revenge. Getting the Dragon Balls will inevitably force conflict with XXI. It's basic logic. We also know he already made his wish and that Porunga will almost certainly grant it the moment he's resummoned. That's the whole issue.

Turbocharger was saying: Nobody is thinking rationally on this page. I can sort of understand all three behaviors, for as extreme as Vegeta and Bra are being.There's a difference between being emotional and just being nonsensical. It really does feel like a page where they just wanna show off Asura's art being cool. Not a BAD reason but they could have come up with a better excuse than this.

Decends was saying: I can't recall, does the spirit bomb damage anyone caught in the radius or only those that are evil? If the latter, I think Gohan will be fine at this point. I'd say he's turned over a new leaf.

Damages anyone, otherwise Goku would not hesitate to throw it against Kid Buu with Vegeta near him.
But the damage seems to be aggravated on evil ebeings.

So what’s gonna happen now that Goku Black has been defeated?

Teleported_Bread was saying: King Kindred was saying: Thiln was saying: The kind of ending which Trunks deserves. I really liked this Zamasu. Shows how it's possible to lead him on a proper path.

Also wondering what Whis has planned here.


hamgelu was saying: Plot twist: This Whis is eeeeeeevil and is angry with mortals meddling with the timeline.

This is the Whis that brought Zamasu here. He's going to take him back home.
They are home. Whis pointed this Zamasu in the right direction. They needed to save their new home. Now they get to live in it. I'm sure this was also personal for Trunks, who likely feels he failed to save his original time.

I'm talking about taking Zamasu back to his own universe. I thought that was very clear.

Thiln was saying: The kind of ending which Trunks deserves. I really liked this Zamasu. Shows how it's possible to lead him on a proper path.

Also wondering what Whis has planned here.


hamgelu was saying: Plot twist: This Whis is eeeeeeevil and is angry with mortals meddling with the timeline.

This is the Whis that brought Zamasu here. He's going to take him back home.

Calling it, he'll hold Vegeta in place so the Spirit Bomb annihilates both.

Kinda surprised that his old memories have come back so quickly, but I guess folks are right, mother's love is stronger than one may think.

Wait, so what was the change that made Zamasu side with mortals? He hated Goku still, right? Gowasu said something about Zamasu having proof that mortals and deities could coexist.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying: Ayashi napisał: I wonder how they'll avoid timeline/universal(s) erasure by Zeno if Goku isn't around to idiot his way through the issue.

It would take eons probably for zeno to make that distinction on his own.

Goku simply sped up the whole thing.

Zeno will likely still do that, but not immediately.

If you two mean Zeno removing entire Future Timeline then Goku was the reason it happened. Well, that and Zamasu becoming the universe. But Goku brought Zeno to Earth, the ground zero if I might say.

I mean the whole thing with deleting universes in general. I don't know about the anime, but manga zeno and his double were thinking about deleting universes anyway, and goku sped up the process.

I feel like 2 zenos also sped up the process.

Manga version Goku technically caused it
Goku caused there to be 2 Zeno's and when they were playing a game that involved the universes they said it was too confusing with so many of them so they should just remove some (basically wouldn't have happened if Zeno wasn't playing with himself)

So yeah, in both versions Goku basically caused the tournament to happen and the universe erasing part that came with it

A whole universe got wiped out because a kaioshin helped mortals?
I said multiple times and I will say it again: Zeno is the real villain here.

uh why is he not dodging

in canon vegeta dodged even much smaller spiri t bomb

this is asspull-ish, Vegita is proud, not stupid. He told Nappa to dodge the disc.

Interesting. So maybe Aiko is a Kai Zamasu was close friends with, and he blames mortals for her destruction? If that's the case it adds a lot more depth to his character.

King Kindred was saying: brolyhater napisał: King Kindred was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: King Kindred was saying: Zamanks already believes his fusion time is limited. Why is the Trunks half wasting time by listening to Black's ramblings? He has a Saiyan body. You do not give them time to recover.

There's so much smoke and ki around Black that I can't tell if he lost a leg and part of his face.
oh my god... it's because Goku Black is beaten. And because he has honor, unlike his counterpart who's consumed by his own hatred and ego.

When has that ever stopped Trunks who knows that being "beaten" means nothing unless they're actually killed? Trunks that blew up Dr. Gero's base to prevent 17 and 18 from awakening 16, an android who never did anything in his timeline.

Trunks that killed King Cold after after he was defeated and pleading for his life.

Like come on. Let's be real here. Black has terrorized him and has shown himself to be stronger and more resilient than the one he's used to.

Except this isn't Trunks, this is Zamanks, a being born from fusion.

Which is why I said the Trunks half of the fusion in my original comment. With every fusion we've seen qualities of both of the original people.
Except there is no "Trunks" half. That's not how Kaioshin fusions work.
Look at Elder Kai or Kibitoshin. Both completely get rid of one fusee and only the Kai lives. There is no sight of witch's personality or thoughts in Elder Kai, and the same goes for Kibito in Kibitoshin. They're gone.
Vegetto is a combination because Goku and Vegeta are mortals on a similar level, and definitely the mortal status.

Zamanks here is purely Zamasu, who got the powers of Trunks on top of his own.

Teleported_Bread was saying: King Kindred was saying: Zamanks already believes his fusion time is limited. Why is the Trunks half wasting time by listening to Black's ramblings? He has a Saiyan body. You do not give them time to recover.

There's so much smoke and ki around Black that I can't tell if he lost a leg and part of his face.
oh my god... it's because Goku Black is beaten. And because he has honor, unlike his counterpart who's consumed by his own hatred and ego.

When has that ever stopped Trunks who knows that being "beaten" means nothing unless they're actually killed? Trunks that blew up Dr. Gero's base to prevent 17 and 18 from awakening 16, an android who never did anything in his timeline.

Trunks that killed King Cold after after he was defeated and pleading for his life.

Like come on. Let's be real here. Black has terrorized him and has shown himself to be stronger and more resilient than the one he's used to.

LOL :D i wonder if he really killed Chilled?

Zamanks already believes his fusion time is limited. Why is the Trunks half wasting time by listening to Black's ramblings? He has a Saiyan body. You do not give them time to recover.

There's so much smoke and ki around Black that I can't tell if he lost a leg and part of his face.

I hope Vegetto learned (and prepared) for this ahead of time. At the least, he’ll be saved by Gast plot armor. The two of them together would be a pretty cool combo, ngl.

How funny would it be if Goku teleported them just as U16 did it too?

Stevethebarbarian was saying: It’s odd that Goku can use Instant Transmission here. If they can feel each others’ ki through the field of stopped time, shouldn’t he already be able to sense everyone who’s unfrozen?
Yeah, I thought the same thing. They should be very accustomed to sensing ki to locate people outside their field of vision. it would be like knowing who just came online. However, 'looking' feels more intuitive.

Around the same time, Universe 16's members woke up, dealt with the dead, and decided to rise above the spiked forest to get an overview. The difference is that Vegetto was away dealing with the androids—he might have been killed by them by now, since he's frozen. I have a gut feeling that those who got lucky in Universe 18, and their doppelgängers from Universe 16, won’t be so fortunate this time.

I wonder what he's vibrating

To be honest, I'd really like if some old translations that are incorrect or typos got fixed.

Teleported_Bread was saying: ZenBuu was saying: kingworld was saying: ZenBuu was saying: kingworld was saying: Cool page!

@Translators:
Should be "Divine Burning Attack", not just "Burning Attack": it underlines Zamasu's contribution.
You are right, that's also how it is in other languages. Only in english, the "divine" is missing and again, I don't know why. Also, I don't have access to edit this page unfortunately, so personally I can't do much about it for now.

Honestly, I still don't understand why the english version is sometimes so different from the original.
I'll drop the question in the Italian page (the original). I only know that at a certain point the author updated the dialogues. So my guess is that they didn't send the updated ones to the English section, or the English section lost them, or something like that.
Yeah, I'd also say that the English version just didn't got updated then, for whatever reason. But the comic is nearly finished by now anyway. It's pretty late to update everything now.

Teleported_Bread was saying: kingworld was saying: ZenBuu was saying: kingworld was saying: Cool page!

@Translators:
Should be "Divine Burning Attack", not just "Burning Attack": it underlines Zamasu's contribution.
You are right, that's also how it is in other languages. Only in english, the "divine" is missing and again, I don't know why. Also, I don't have access to edit this page unfortunately, so personally I can't do much about it for now.

Honestly, I still don't understand why the english version is sometimes so different from the original.
I'll drop the question in the Italian page (the original). I only know that at a certain point the author updated the dialogues. So my guess is that they didn't send the updated ones to the English section, or the English section lost them, or something like that.
I have English pages. I'm surprised they're not being used. i thought they would be.
If you mean the pages from DeviantArt, they have a watermark on them and are most likely also still an outdated version. I remember asking Salagir if it will also get exported in English, but he said no. Weirdly enough it doesn't get exported in Italian, which should be the source, but it does get exported in French. Though I guess this has to do with how Salagir coded the translation system, there must be an exported version in at least one language. Why it isn't Italian then, I have no idea.
What if you didn't have to use the pages themselves? You could just copy the English text that's on them. I can even help you, if you need anything corrected, or something. I'm on Discord. I could type all of them for you in a dm.
I mean... Yeah, if it's that important for you, we could probably do that. Are you on the official DBM Discord server? You can shoot me a DM and I'll talk to Salagir again.

kingworld was saying: ZenBuu was saying: kingworld was saying: Cool page!

@Translators:
Should be "Divine Burning Attack", not just "Burning Attack": it underlines Zamasu's contribution.
You are right, that's also how it is in other languages. Only in english, the "divine" is missing and again, I don't know why. Also, I don't have access to edit this page unfortunately, so personally I can't do much about it for now.

Honestly, I still don't understand why the english version is sometimes so different from the original.
I'll drop the question in the Italian page (the original). I only know that at a certain point the author updated the dialogues. So my guess is that they didn't send the updated ones to the English section, or the English section lost them, or something like that.
Yeah, I'd also say that the English version just didn't got updated then, for whatever reason. But the comic is nearly finished by now anyway. It's pretty late to update everything now.

Teleported_Bread was saying: kingworld was saying: ZenBuu was saying: kingworld was saying: Cool page!

@Translators:
Should be "Divine Burning Attack", not just "Burning Attack": it underlines Zamasu's contribution.
You are right, that's also how it is in other languages. Only in english, the "divine" is missing and again, I don't know why. Also, I don't have access to edit this page unfortunately, so personally I can't do much about it for now.

Honestly, I still don't understand why the english version is sometimes so different from the original.
I'll drop the question in the Italian page (the original). I only know that at a certain point the author updated the dialogues. So my guess is that they didn't send the updated ones to the English section, or the English section lost them, or something like that.
I have English pages. I'm surprised they're not being used. i thought they would be.
If you mean the pages from DeviantArt, they have a watermark on them and are most likely also still an outdated version. I remember asking Salagir if it will also get exported in English, but he said no. Weirdly enough it doesn't get exported in Italian, which should be the source, but it does get exported in French. Though I guess this has to do with how Salagir coded the translation system, there must be an exported version in at least one language. Why it isn't Italian then, I have no idea.

ZenBuu was saying: kingworld was saying: Cool page!

@Translators:
Should be "Divine Burning Attack", not just "Burning Attack": it underlines Zamasu's contribution.
You are right, that's also how it is in other languages. Only in english, the "divine" is missing and again, I don't know why. Also, I don't have access to edit this page unfortunately, so personally I can't do much about it for now.

Honestly, I still don't understand why the english version is sometimes so different from the original.
I'll drop the question in the Italian page (the original). I only know that at a certain point the author updated the dialogues. So my guess is that they didn't send the updated ones to the English section, or the English section lost them, or something like that.

Teleported_Bread was saying: AnyEdge was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: I only see Gohan's arm seemingly bent under what would be a ki sphere. Piccolo still has both his down. But if you're right, then they could also be seen as placeholders for Trunks and Bra's souls over their father's shoulders.

I didn't even notice Piccolo's left arm was hanging down. I'm guessing it's Goten's ki ball, then. I understand where you're coming from, it's just something that has never been seen/portrayed in DB(M) before (to my recollection). The only time we are shown spirits in the form of balls, without their bodies, is when they are in the spirit realm. In fact, DB lore made it clear that only those given special permission are allowed to keep their bodies after death.
Sometimes artists of fanmade Dragon Ball stories choose to shelve how souls are normally portrayed for a page to do something more... sentimental, or something. I've seen that sort of bold decision be done before.
As for Goten, his arm's down too and he's too far away for the other sphere to be his ki.The glowing spheres around the people are ki balls that serve as a light source, like a torch.
We've actually seen this almost since the beginning of the chapter. On page 2568, page 2569, page 2570, page 2571, and page 2572.

It's true. Asura has Piccolo's left arm hanging down here, so it doesn't make sense in this particular panel. But it remains a ki ball that is supposed to generate light. These are not the souls of Bra and Trunks. It's simply one mistake by Asura on this page.

Pan mentions Bra first and her own mother second.

I think not.

Teleported_Bread was saying: I only see Gohan's arm seemingly bent under what would be a ki sphere. Piccolo still has both his down. But if you're right, then they could also be seen as placeholders for Trunks and Bra's souls over their father's shoulders.

I didn't even notice Piccolo's left arm was hanging down. I'm guessing it's Goten's ki ball, then. I understand where you're coming from, it's just something that has never been seen/portrayed in DB(M) before (to my recollection). The only time we are shown spirits in the form of balls, without their bodies, is when they are in the spirit realm. In fact, DB lore made it clear that only those given special permission are allowed to keep their bodies after death.

Come on Vegeta... Hold it together. You'll have your chance at revenge.


Ouroboros was saying: Good thing Uub was gone or he got a stake trough his arm.

my money for u16 Piccolo (he wil get better) Pan and Goten are staked

I wonder how many people can be saved by Uub and Juna's healing technique, provided Piccolo keeps them(the frozen people) out of his field of influence until help arrives.


Teleported_Bread was saying: If you look behind Vegeta's shoulders, you'll see the souls of his children are with him, or passing him one last time.

I think those are energy balls created by Piccolo and Gohan to provide light for everyone. Piccolo and Goten did it in a previous page.

uhh werent they both frozen by ability then they were pierced afterwards?

why is it shown he was holding her? unless he was holding her right when xxi freeze ability went off, which wouldnt make sense

To those wondering about the spikes, Trunks probably shielded her as soon as the South Kai shouted. He prolly thought things were going to go pear shaped.

SSB?

supersaiyan2kakarot was saying: Goku and Piccolo in the background look like they already know what's happened.
They know she would have spoken up if she was still alive. Maybe they already checked for everyones Ki.

But Vegeta as her parent still has to try.

What is the difference between Ikari Mode and SSJ?

SuperSaiyanGodVegeto was saying: How sad
He’s taking it worse than Gohan
Gohan has a lot more emotional maturity than he does, so it's to be expected.

Absolutely diabolical if both female characters get off'd just like that but I guess given the circumstances only the strongest and adaptive will survive.

Bubbles was saying: That's probably for the best, I was never a fan of fusions being used to solve threats, narratively speaking (not to mention Gotenks is annoying).

Ahh dang your right, the Mac Daddy of Justice won't be around if Trunks is dead. That'd be a shame.

I'm kind of expecting that Goku Black's body will break down, he shouldn't be able to keep up the kaio-ken this long without consequences.

this is why U18 are the main guys, aside from being the 1st universe shown, they have the best new moves, like Mastered Mystic Goku and Vegeta, and Piccolo's new ability for Ki manipulation, I'm hoping both Piccolo's are equally educated, though if they were frozen where are the bad guys if they did not kill the frozen good guys, unless they are frozen too, though XXI, had no reason to lie to Emperor Vegeta with infinite universes, XXI can eat infinitely, Sayaians can rule infinitely, Frost clan can rule infinitely, though what of Raichi vs Bardock and potentially a good/evil conflicted Kimicolo, still waiting to see how that goes

Teleported_Bread was saying: Your nickel was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: Your nickel was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: Frajbe was saying: Shouldn't Zamanks also be able to use Kaioken?
No, Goku knew that technique
So did Zamasu according to page 76
I know but the two Zamasus likely had different pasts. I think Goku Black explaining he trained with other Kais like King Kai was to say he either had a better understanding of the Kaioken than Goku or (more likely) how he knew how to tap into it. Kai techniques are probably too complex to simply tap into, something Cell might've been an exception to because of how he was conceived.
Well, the deviation would then have to go back over a thousand years. Honestly unless we get an explanation, I think it's more likely just a plot hole. It's an easy enough detail to forget that I didn't think about it till someone else brought it up
That's right, duh. The deviation doesn't go that far. Then again, this is (supposed to be) a very powerful fusion, which is why the fusion time is halved from an hour. Zamanks is most definitely not using the Kaioken cause it'll burn the fusion time of the Potaras even faster.
I mean look, if the comic doesn't explain things like this and the readers have to come up with their own explanation for it to make sense, that's not a great sign

Teleported_Bread was saying: Your nickel was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: Frajbe was saying: Shouldn't Zamanks also be able to use Kaioken?
No, Goku knew that technique
So did Zamasu according to page 76
I know but the two Zamasus likely had different pasts. I think Goku Black explaining he trained with other Kais like King Kai was to say he either had a better understanding of the Kaioken than Goku or (more likely) how he knew how to tap into it. Kai techniques are probably too complex to simply tap into, something Cell might've been an exception to because of how he was conceived.
Well, the deviation would then have to go back over a thousand years. Honestly unless we get an explanation, I think it's more likely just a plot hole. It's an easy enough detail to forget that I didn't think about it till someone else brought it up

Teleported_Bread was saying: Frajbe was saying: Shouldn't Zamanks also be able to use Kaioken?
No, Goku knew that technique
So did Zamasu according to page 76

Vegeta, you're acting like your universe 13 counterpart.

Shouldn't Zamanks also be able to use Kaioken?

And…he is on the ground again ._.

I think he looks too wimpy to beat black just doesn't have that oomph

Is this meant to make fun of Super power scaling or something?

PkMario was saying: Andeh was saying: This looks like it could lead into that Bardock vision from page 732...
Wonder how they'll play out how Son Bra seems to have her old personality in that vision...

That's less of a problem actually. Her new personality is meek but she still strong enough to critique ghast on his strength against XXL. So vegeta just might comment on her meekness.

Your nickel was saying: Zamanks is jobbing
He's not jabbing

The only thing I do find weird is that Uub only learned Candy Beam and healing in this training. Which are both extremely useful, but it was still set up as if he would learn a lot more:

Oh shoot Juna is an artificial being so she'll be immune to I'K'L's technique, I bet that'll come into play

Arguvandal was saying: Goku Black being stronger (or at least seems equal) makes no sense whatsoever

Honestly it makes sense to me. Zamasu is around SSJ2 level while Trunks is leagues stronger, around Super Saiyan Blue level. Either this Trunks is only as strong as initial Goku Black when he first transformed or Goku Black is much stronger than his original counterpart. Either way, take the beating Goku and Vegeta took when Goku Black first transformed and multiply that by ten or twenty, I don't remember which multiplier he used. Fusion is strong, but it is still limited by the fusees' power. Vegeto has the rivalry boost, Trunks and Zamasu in this timeline are strangers and there is a major power gap.

Teleported_Bread was saying: Thiln was saying: Arguvandal was saying: Goku Black being stronger (or at least seems equal) makes no sense whatsoever

Could just be an issue of skill and experience. Black technically has a greater pool of knowledge and memories to work with through Goku than Zamanks does. Even if their powers are equal or close, there would still be a discrepancy based around which Saiyan's body, and memories, is at play here.
Also the fight literally just started, can you guys at least wait a little longer before you start complaining?

King Kindred was saying: Goku Black should not even be able to touch Zamanks.



Thiln was saying: Arguvandal was saying: Goku Black being stronger (or at least seems equal) makes no sense whatsoever

Could just be an issue of skill and experience. Black technically has a greater pool of knowledge and memories to work with through Goku than Zamanks does. Even if their powers are equal or close, there would still be a discrepancy based around which Saiyan's body, and memories, is at play here.

It's never been stated or shown that Black has Goku's knowledge or memories. If he did he would've always been able to transform and have been able to use his power fully from the beginning.
No but it's been heavily implied he has the muscle memories of Goku's body, as well as the body's instinctual drive to fight strong opponents.

But that still doesn't translate to power, especially considering Goku Black was getting beat on by Trunks before the fusion. He's only taken damage from a single gut punch pages ago.

I don't get the whole, "fight literally just started" critic/excuse. If anything it just proves that he shouldn't be able to surprise/attack Zamanks so quickly. Super Buu wouldn't have been able to surprise and hit Vegito despite being stronger than Goku and Vegeta before they fused.

Arguvandal was saying: Goku Black being stronger (or at least seems equal) makes no sense whatsoever

Its a stronger black with kaioken active which will run out and a weaker fusion .... trunks even with his weird living spirit bomb rage isn't ssb and zamasu is way weaker than both trunks and black

Bold thoughts for someone in Death Beam range.

Arguvandal was saying: Goku Black being stronger (or at least seems equal) makes no sense whatsoever

Could just be an issue of skill and experience. Black technically has a greater pool of knowledge and memories to work with through Goku than Zamanks does. Even if their powers are equal or close, there would still be a discrepancy based around which Saiyan's body, and memories, is at play here.

Goku Black should not even be able to touch Zamanks.



Thiln was saying: Arguvandal was saying: Goku Black being stronger (or at least seems equal) makes no sense whatsoever

Could just be an issue of skill and experience. Black technically has a greater pool of knowledge and memories to work with through Goku than Zamanks does. Even if their powers are equal or close, there would still be a discrepancy based around which Saiyan's body, and memories, is at play here.

It's never been stated or shown that Black has Goku's knowledge or memories. If he did he would've always been able to transform and have been able to use his power fully from the beginning.

maswartz was saying: Hector Fenwick was saying: Salagir, if Uub doesn't take her with him, I hate you forever.
I mean, she's based on a real person, that's kinda sketchy.

That said just imagine he finally reunites with the original and she's already with someone.
I don't think there is a "finally reunites" with the original.
As per Zen Buu's dream, Uub didn't even dare speaking to Anju when they were kids. I'm not even sure he has even gone back to his village. I don't think they've talked as adults at all.

https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-988.html

Philsdesign was saying: ick here. Why would he care about Gohan, especially if he knows about his tremendous potential (he did wipe out the saiyan race out if fear for a ssj, why leave the one with the strongest power at birth alive)

Freeze only feared them when they were in large numbers, but he certainly felt more confident in having a small group that he could monitor better, The Saiyans are still stronger soldiers than an average soldier and for some reason they wanted Raditz to look for Kakarot at te time

happywarrior99 was saying: I'm the only who does not want Juna to get permanently killed?

RIP Juna.

Salagir and HoCbo, if you are reading this please do not permanently kill Juna.


No. You're not the only one. She obviously wouldn't be able to stick around forever because the real/original Juna is back on Earth - and I'm guessing Uub is going to have his Samwise Gamgee moment when everyone returns home.

kemehemehe was saying: Is he actually announcing his next physical move before doing it? Imagine other moves like this being called out before: "kick!" Or "punch!"

You mean like saying "Kaio-ken!", or "Kaaaaa-meeee-haaaaa"...

It's a martial arts entertainment trope.

"No, Uub-dono! Yamete!" [~ TFS Reference]

El-UrU was saying: Thirty minutes? Wasn't fusion between a god and a mortal permanent? I seem to recall that the elder Kai was permanently fused with a witch or something like that..
And also, fused Zamasu was permanent too.
It is. Basically, as explained in the manga, neither Zamasu nor Goku Black were counted as "Gods" and thus it was still a temporary fusion. I'm guessing this is taking that into account.

This will only make black stronger.

Hahahah, it's like Old Kai never existed.

El-UrU was saying: Thirty minutes? Wasn't fusion between a god and a mortal permanent? I seem to recall that the elder Kai was permanently fused with a witch or something like that..
And also, fused Zamasu was permanent too.
I think we're assuming that the witch is considered a mortal. She may be something other than Immortal and definitely other than a Supreme Kai.

I really think he should finish this quickly instead of trying to prove a point

As much as I can't wait to see the rest of the story, it would be a shame to see the end of Golem(?) Juna.

Side note:
Is it just me, or does Uub resemble Goku in panels 3 and 4?