Super Gojita 3 was saying: siksteen was saying: Would be great to have Goku meeting his grandpa, such wasted potential for Buu arc or even the Other world tournment filler arc.

while its filler in db, goku did meet grandpa gohan in the lead up to dbz, as gohan was working with the antagonist anine.

Shes not a villain per se, but she can't give goku what he wants. adventure ensues

Huh? But he met Grandpa Gohan during his second run of getting the dragon balls, what do you mean? It was at the Baba's palace too.
I know about the filler at the end, but wasn't Baba portion canon?

Would be great to have Goku meeting his grandpa, such wasted potential for Buu arc or even the Other world tournment filler arc.

People talking about if this is Android 21 or Yomi and... We don't think this is really her do we? Why would she just show up now? It's probably either one of the transformers or someone messing with the Gero's head. Seems much more likely than his likely dead wife randomly showing up like this.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Nice.

I don't mind the fan service here at all with 21 being dbm canon. I wonder what her retconned back story will be. not going to have the db fighterz powers of course, or the split personality clone, or the candy beam probably.

but geros wife? sure.

I guess this is the android bulma spoke of earlier when she said they beat one technically.
iron leaf was saying: To be honest, I don't like Android 21.
I have a certain aversion to DBM doing this. The idea that Gero had a wife sounds logical, of course. And maybe DBM simply incorporated the fact that Gero had a wife named Vomi. And if nothing else was taken over except that Vomi was also a scientist, then that's fine with me. The whole plot of FighterZ is much more fan fiction to me than actual fan fiction.
Vomi isn't only Fighterz canon. The same design appeared in DBS Super Hero movie. And also in the DBZ Kakarot game.

BobCros was saying: Plot twist it's Oolong or Puar
Or Thorn doing some illusion magic. Can he though?

If I recall correctly U7 Videl is not a ki user yet, and her head was hit by an explosion/metal debris, thus if Videl survives this I hope that she is neither put on a coma nor crippled nor brain damaged.

Shabby was saying: Thorn is fast. As the blast started, he managed to get on the other side of Bulma, and shield her from the blast.Thorn choose to protect Bulma instead of protecting Videl. Poor Videl.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: I wonder if cell will make juniors.

Id love to have gast take on the juniors and somehow use that to his advantageGast is not ssj2 Gohan, thus I wonder if Gast would be ok by killing children (the Cell Juniors) if Cell creates Cell Juniors.

Daypea was saying: I wonder if Bulma and Thorn have any other secret weapons. Leaving the base unguarded doesn't seem like a smart idea. They probably have something in place.The first panel of page 2429 shows scientists using computers inside Bulma's bunker, which implies that Bulma's bunker has a security system or something similar.

iron leaf was saying: I don't want to coerce the discussion to stop. However, I should mention that there is no in-universe reason why Son Bra has a inconsistent appearance in the original vision on page 732. There is no twist. It is quite frankly just a mistake on the part of the creators.
That's fine, I just like to use my head a little. It's fun to think of these sorts of things. And I know you're not discouraging it, either. Just trying to prevent confusion, right?

Vegeta was meant to be a weird mix between antagonist and protagonist at that point. Not exactly an antivillain but he wasn't sitting in Bra's shoes. Nobody would jump in to defend Vegeta back then like they did for Bra after the Majin fiasco.

Perfect Instinct was saying: The Dragon Balls being destroyed is...interesting. I was under the impression at this point that Dragon Balls were virtually indestructible; sure, King Piccolo killed Shenron, but the balls themselves remained intact. The only time we've ever seen anyone attempt to destroy the balls was when Krillin tried to destroy one of the Namekian Dragon Balls to prevent the Ginyu Force/Freeza from getting ahold of it--but Krillin, even though he was then as strong as Vegeta was from the Saiyan Saga, only hurt his hand trying.

That it resisted Krillin's attempt, who can pulverize stone easily by the Namek Saga and should be capable of the same planet-busting power that Vegeta had if he really put everything into it... It begs one to question; what is the threshhold of power required to physically break a Dragon Ball with one's fist?

What are you talking about?
Krillen tried to break the ball but Guldo froze time and took it before he could leading to Krillen punching the air instead. He quite literally never touched it.

If the dragon balls were meant to be indestructible AT would add things like Guldo preventing Krillen from hitting it (he could easily have him try and fail) or sentences like Vegeta getting angry at Nappa for blowing up a city and stating he might have destroyed a dragon ball doing that

ClodsireSupremacist was saying: Y'know, in hindsight, could this be XXI's stomach? With Vegito getting sent straight there instead of being digested first like Gast
I had the same thought. Maybe XXI can actually adjust the time dilation inside his stomach, for slower or faster digestion?
He set it to "extra slow" for this thing, so that Vegetto would have not enough time to escape.

THZ was saying: So what’s gonna happen now that Goku Black has been defeated?
Kids

RealNate was saying: Damian Qualshy napisał: l
By the way, U11 is the original DBZ timeline and U18 is an altered one thanks to Cell who got here before Trunks. How did Trunks time travel to U18 instead of a copy of U11 is beyond me. It doesn't make any sense for either DBZ nor DBM rules.


In my opinion:

Universe 11 is more like the least altered (but still altered) DBZ timeline as opposed to the original DBZ timeline.

A fully unaltered DBZ timeline doesn't exist in DBM (a future universe without Trunks, the Androids, or Cell). The Vargas probably wouldn't choose it.

A fully unaltered DBZ timeline would be the one that Cell comes from imo. And obviously Vargas wouldn't choose it because there's no one there.
Then there's U11, which got born from that. Then U18 because Cell killed Trunks when he wanted to come back. Then U12 because this Trunks met Cell already.

Gosh, Cell alone created like 5 new timelines.

Beni-Kujaku was saying: Gsia040 was saying: Okay I don't know how many of y'all read Marvel Comics but if you do do you remember the onslaught Saga? How at the end they thought that having the Hulk Smash Onslaught would save the day but it ended up making things worse. Etc etc. Well xxi gave Vegito that bean for some reason. And I'm telling you because of him giving them that being is the reason why Vegito ended up jumping in the way at the last minute before gassed could do what he was going to do. And supposedly damaging xxi. All of this is exactly what xxi wanted. Because things wouldn't have went his way if gas got to him first. He couldn't explode his own stomach I'm bidding. And he also had to make sure vegeto didn't do something that he didn't want. It's also why Vegito looks all crazy. He is under xxis control
If we're to believe XXI here, Vegetto attacking him is even worse than Gast. It was not planned and Vegetto is most likely not under his direct control (especially since we got word-of-God by Salagir that the Senzu is actually just a Senzu and not a direct mind-control trap. )
Of course, that doesn't mean it didn't make everything much worse, since the contents of the stomach did kill many people.

To be fair, we never got confirmation it was this Vegetto that becomes an enemy. XXI could easily shatter him when the time Freeze hits, pick the Potara's out of the leftover chunks and give those to Vegeta and Kakarotto that are there with him and create an evil Vegetto

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Ayashi napisał: I wonder how they'll avoid timeline/universal(s) erasure by Zeno if Goku isn't around to idiot his way through the issue.

It would take eons probably for zeno to make that distinction on his own.

Goku simply sped up the whole thing.

Zeno will likely still do that, but not immediately.

If you two mean Zeno removing entire Future Timeline then Goku was the reason it happened. Well, that and Zamasu becoming the universe. But Goku brought Zeno to Earth, the ground zero if I might say.

I wonder how they'll avoid timeline/universal(s) erasure by Zeno if Goku isn't around to idiot his way through the issue.

Please, don't attack/delete/ban/bash me for this comment!
Heck, there's even a "Goku" in it, lol.
So, that said:
These two little kiddies had always triggered the following reference in me, even all the way back in Super.
I literally had expected them to have a similar effect THERE, even.
No, really, lol.
And so, here's THE reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uKBNDoNdk
Again, PLEASE, don't attack me for "off-topic".
It's literally my genuine reaction to seeing them every time, lol.

I guess Goku was at least trying to immitate what Picollo did. But all he could manage is keep some durability.

It took him seeing the Kamehameha once to copy it. This might be a bit trickier.

But that does explain why Vegetto might be an issue down the line. He might have enough power and control to properly copy it.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: jonathan_vik was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying: jonathan_vik was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying: jonathan_vik was saying: ZenBuu was saying: jonathan_vik was saying: And who exactly created the Universe 1 Dragonballs? Will he ever show up? It seems like he should be important.
I'm pretty sure Guru from U1 must be a zombie. Yes, surely he must have suddenly transformed into a zombie for some weird reason, that's why the U1 DBs are so special! That sounds like a really cool and creative plot point I'd love to see!

It's also not like we've already seen Moori from U1 on page 2517/page 2518, who is currently the Guru from U1...Just like in most other universes with DB.

What an odd response. Anyway, there's no reason it needs to be Moori. This is an alternate universe. So, another elder could easily be the Guru in that reality. I don't know. I'd like some clarification on why XXI needs the U1 Dragonballs in particular. That's a question that's been bother me.


Nothing odd about it, unless you think making a character a zombie for seemingly no good reason is odd.

What an odd response to something that made perfect sense.

Nope. No clue what you two are talking about. Anyway, let's see what Salagir does next. I'm curious why the fighters are separated? Like, did XXI wish for everyone to be separated by from which universe they come from? Also, isn't XXI worried about accidentally killing the Elder who created the U1 Dragonballs with all these spikes? That would be a big oops.

pfft. he would have a harder time if guru was a zombie. and depending on some lore, zombies always come back stronger after being defeated. so xxi better watch out for the grand elder actually.

Zombies? Huh? Why do you keep mentioning that? Bizarre. Anyway, in Dragonball, the creator of the Dragonballs has always been an important character (Kami, Guru, Moori, Dende, Neva, etc. I think it'd be nice to have that character important in Multiverse too. There might be some potential in exploring the Namekians of Universe 1.

you know what, in hind sight, making someone a zombie is kinda lame. I agree.

Well, if Salagir takes your advice and makes someone a zombie, that's whatever I guess.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: jonathan_vik was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying: jonathan_vik was saying: ZenBuu was saying: jonathan_vik was saying: And who exactly created the Universe 1 Dragonballs? Will he ever show up? It seems like he should be important.
I'm pretty sure Guru from U1 must be a zombie. Yes, surely he must have suddenly transformed into a zombie for some weird reason, that's why the U1 DBs are so special! That sounds like a really cool and creative plot point I'd love to see!

It's also not like we've already seen Moori from U1 on page 2517/page 2518, who is currently the Guru from U1...Just like in most other universes with DB.

What an odd response. Anyway, there's no reason it needs to be Moori. This is an alternate universe. So, another elder could easily be the Guru in that reality. I don't know. I'd like some clarification on why XXI needs the U1 Dragonballs in particular. That's a question that's been bother me.


Nothing odd about it, unless you think making a character a zombie for seemingly no good reason is odd.

What an odd response to something that made perfect sense.

Nope. No clue what you two are talking about. Anyway, let's see what Salagir does next. I'm curious why the fighters are separated? Like, did XXI wish for everyone to be separated by from which universe they come from? Also, isn't XXI worried about accidentally killing the Elder who created the U1 Dragonballs with all these spikes? That would be a big oops.

pfft. he would have a harder time if guru was a zombie. and depending on some lore, zombies always come back stronger after being defeated. so xxi better watch out for the grand elder actually.

Zombies? Huh? Why do you keep mentioning that? Bizarre. Anyway, in Dragonball, the creator of the Dragonballs has always been an important character (Kami, Guru, Moori, Dende, Neva, etc. I think it'd be nice to have that character important in Multiverse too. There might be some potential in exploring the Namekians of Universe 1.

Cell is vibrating his wings. You can see it in the picture...

Super Gojita 3 was saying: jonathan_vik was saying: ZenBuu was saying: jonathan_vik was saying: And who exactly created the Universe 1 Dragonballs? Will he ever show up? It seems like he should be important.
I'm pretty sure Guru from U1 must be a zombie. Yes, surely he must have suddenly transformed into a zombie for some weird reason, that's why the U1 DBs are so special! That sounds like a really cool and creative plot point I'd love to see!

It's also not like we've already seen Moori from U1 on page 2517/page 2518, who is currently the Guru from U1...Just like in most other universes with DB.

What an odd response. Anyway, there's no reason it needs to be Moori. This is an alternate universe. So, another elder could easily be the Guru in that reality. I don't know. I'd like some clarification on why XXI needs the U1 Dragonballs in particular. That's a question that's been bother me.


Nothing odd about it, unless you think making a character a zombie for seemingly no good reason is odd.

What an odd response to something that made perfect sense.

Nope. No clue what you two are talking about. Anyway, let's see what Salagir does next. I'm curious why the fighters are separated? Like, did XXI wish for everyone to be separated by from which universe they come from? Also, isn't XXI worried about accidentally killing the Elder who created the U1 Dragonballs with all these spikes? That would be a big oops.

ZenBuu was saying: jonathan_vik was saying: And who exactly created the Universe 1 Dragonballs? Will he ever show up? It seems like he should be important.
I'm pretty sure Guru from U1 must be a zombie. Yes, surely he must have suddenly transformed into a zombie for some weird reason, that's why the U1 DBs are so special! That sounds like a really cool and creative plot point I'd love to see!

It's also not like we've already seen Moori from U1 on page 2517/page 2518, who is currently the Guru from U1...Just like in most other universes with DB.

What an odd response. Anyway, there's no reason it needs to be Moori. This is an alternate universe. So, another elder could easily be the Guru in that reality. I don't know. I'd like some clarification on why XXI needs the U1 Dragonballs in particular. That's a question that's been bother me.

Maaan.....SOMEONE PLEASE ANIMATE THIS!!! If the manga is so good, then imagine how awesome the anime is going to be!

Pick up that phone cause I CALLED IT ever since U13 Kakarotto went Golden Oozaru!!

He's a closet GT fan!

[ACCOUNT DISABLED FOR VIOLATING COMMUNITY RULES]

metal87power was saying: Pourunga can revive them without bodies

Correct, but it took them an extra wish I believe.


Anyway, the reason people don't seem to know about the capsules probably comes from the Ocean Dub (the first english dub) which censored a LOT of DBZ content. One of the things censored/removed post-Saiyan saga where Bulma/Roshi etc gathered the bodies of Yamcha, Piccolo, and Tien to put them into capsules (Chiaozu was a jigsaw puzzle). And no reference was made to this either. And of course, people who didnt read the manga or watched Dragon Ball.

Perfect Instinct was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: People you are focusing on the wrong thing.
WHY does Gohan just carry empty capsules in his pockets?? THAT'S the question!


In a universe where virtually magic items exist that allow you to store and carry around much, much larger and heavier objects in your pocket, why wouldn't EVERYONE carry a couple empty Capsules in their pockets, just in case they don't want to be burdened by carrying literally anything they might otherwise have to carry?




Hector Fenwick was saying: First panel: "When it gets loose," not "When it'll get loose."

Last panel: "You on the other hand, it's the opposite." Awful grammar. The correct choices are...
— With you, on the other hand, it's the opposite.
— In your case, on the other hand, it's the opposite.
— You, on the other hand, are the opposite.

I've been barking up this tree for a while. I think that Salagir must translate the English version from the original French himself; while his English isn't the worst I've ever seen, it results in a LOT of poorly and awkwardly-phrased statements. You tend to still get the general meaning more often than not, but I feel for you that it can be aggravating to read at times, when the grammar mistakes made seem so obvious
What could POSSIBLY Gohan need to hide inside a Capsule because it's "too heavy" to carry, when he can destroy planets with a sneeze?
What could he possibly need to carry for the tournament anyway? All their needs were taken for during the tournament. Him having empty capsules in the pockets is just random and nonsensical. They never have them and never use them. The only person from the main group who did use capsules and wasn't Bulma was.. Future Trunks.
And Roshi but that was for Nam.

When they returned from Namek, Vegeta was ready to kill Gohan but backed down when Piccolo stepped in. If Vegeta thought he had the juice to take on Big Green at that time, he would have.

And before some dork says that was filler, plenty of DB lore is colored by the anime and other sources. C'mon, you're on a fan-comic site. Have some perspective.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: the issue being "gohan gets angry and didn't rampage" back then. bra also knew she would come back but was furious and was gonna lash out

Yeah, but in that moment, Bra wasn't considering things, because she never did.

And here, Gohan doesn't have a target to lash out at, yet.

If he saw Pan die perhaps forever, I think he'd go ballistic on whatever killed her, as soon as he found them.

But there's at least like five fighters here that severely outclass Gohan

But we also saw that Gohan is ver

Super Gojita 3 was saying: when pan died, he was angry but he didn't flip out and kill bojack, he held back his anger and mostly was like "hit me if you want to hit anyone!" to bra.

Because he knew she was coming back, and that if Bra did interfere, they'd be sent home and he's lose Pan forever.

This is very different

Erian was saying: SuperSaiyanGodVegeto was saying: How sad
He’s taking it worse than Gohan
Gohan has a lot more emotional maturity than he does, so it's to be expected.
You can't be serious... Gohans ONLY THING is losing his cool.

Okay~ here's my crackpot theory. Gohan is being possessed, or someone is pretending to be him, or someone body swapped with him and that's why he is being so weird with Pan. The way he explained Videl's death was almost cartoonish. You'd think hed be more devistated to tell his only daughter that mom just died. He might have even killed Videl?

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Bombero was saying: Maybe I’m dumb. But shouldn’t she have been sent back to universe 4 alongside buu?

Thats not a bad question to ask.

it is my assumption she is native to u0 by virtue of being made from u0 material, much like buu turning say, u13 vegeta into candy would simply mean kaiser vegeta is just u13 vegeta, but is now candy.

likewise, u0 "anju" is just from u0 having been originally a rock or something buu breathed life into, and remains part of u0 as such.

keep in mind kami was stated to have the power to breathe life into things as well, so its probably just an enhanced version of that ability.

did Kami ever demonstrate this ability beyond the dragon balls?

Maybe I’m dumb. But shouldn’t she have been sent back to universe 4 alongside buu?

kcheeb was saying: Merged zamasu (zamasu + black) did not have 30 minute limit

Old Kai + the witch fusion was also permanent

It proves if one of the fusee is a Kai, p fusion is permanent

There is no reason to say that this zamasu + trunks fusion is on a timer
Again, It's likely they're going off the manga version, where neither Zamasu nor Goku Black were officially made Supreme Kais, and thus the fusion is temporary.

Goku black and zamasu were the same person. Hence why the fusion didn't defuse. Goku Black just adapted a different mentality because of adaptability of saiyan power. He was still zamasu underneath. This fusion won't last long between trunks and zamasu.

ZenBuu was saying: Daiko was saying: Re-read the Majin Bra fight if you need a refresher.
You're funny. I've spent many hours coloring this whole arc, I think I don't need to reread it for a refresher. ;)

Bra totally destroyed both Gohans. She was playing with them.


Congrats that could mean Bra is anywhere from 33% stronger to 5x stronger. We know Cell and Gohan are comparable in strength and his SPC was able to rip off her arm, while Piccolo who was only half as strong as Nappa did nothing with his.

The fact is Salagir doesn't have consistent strength levels for his characters. He originally intended for SS2 Bra to be below SS1 Vegetto, than changed her mind but also doesn't write the fights to logically match power levels

(for example he made Bardock to be Android level, made Bardock have trouble with Radizt and yet Radizt is supposed to be FAR below Frieza)

Welll Uub, there was one moment were Zen Buu could have been killed. Remember when XXI put Zen Buu in his cocoon, if Vegetto turned SSJ3 and used his special Buu killing technique he would have killed him since all of his pieces were put in his cocoon.

Matrixkid was saying: Majin Wasabi was saying: It's been a couple of times now that you've said he's not improving or that he's getting weaker... Could you elaborate? Because to me, that doesn’t make sense — he’s clearly a stronger magic user, and that was the whole point of his training: 'Can you make me the greatest magician of all time?'[Page 1977] Not 'make my power level higher'.
The human (Or whatever Uub is) body needs rest in order to reap the results of training, constantly pushing yourself without adequate rest or nutrition only staggers results, or worse, make you go backwards. Anime's fooled us into thinking you can constantly work out to get stronger but that's not entirely how it works irl.

Now, tbf, I don't think that's what's happening here, Uub definitely is getting stronger. But because he's been pushing himself non-stop with minimal rest, he's in a constant state of exhaustion, and isn't at peak performance.
Maybe if Uub does well enough against her, she'll give him a longer break, and he'll have a chance to actually beat her.
DBZ is Def not irl tho

Thiln was saying: As to the speculation of a possible Spirit Bomb, it doesn't look like it so far. Gohan is doing an impressive job here against Vegeta, though. Tien could really be a big help here, I think.

Would Goku have even learnt that in this timeline? Piccolo died too, so presumably there was no Kami to suggest Goku go train with King Kai, so no Kiao-ken and no spirit bomb. Maybe Goku could have met The Metamorans and learnt fusion early, but there's been no indication of that either.

Vairinn was saying: Good art HoCBo it's very well done! I don't think she can actually kill Uub, Buu is smarter than that and would have a fail-safe set up right.. right?

Buu wasn't expecting to disappear though, and if he were present he could revive Uub, so probably not.

To everyone thinking it's Goku: how in the hell would he even get here without a Time Ring? And where would he get the clothes and Potara? And why? And Black killed him anyway??

The fact that this Zamasu has two Potara earrings is concerning though. It seems this timeline Black worked alone and never went to Future Zamasu. But then.. He never killed the Supreme Kais of all universes?

So I guess Cell is nearing the end of the fight. Likely isnt fusing back i to one after losing a clone because he'd be way to weak so he's just banking on out numbering Gast. I wonder if this Cell could have made Jr's? Im guessing no because it would have been safer than the multi form technique. Maybe Cell has been holding back though? Fun stuff.

So many comments saying they hope cell wins... we know for a fact that gast beats cell and fights making buu

supasanic4 was saying: I mean, who else is left for him to fuse with?U7 Lord Slug and U7 Cell.

So far U7 Cell was not show doing anything evil outside of wanting to fight Gast, thus I think that there is a chance that U7 Cell may eventually get redeemed and eventually fuse with Gast, because all of the U7 evil (or formerly evil) warriors (U7 Piccolo Jr. and U7 Vegeta) that U7 Cell has genes from have the potential to get redeemed.

In addition, U7 Cell has U7 Gohan's genes according to what Gast said about U7 Cell's genes/ki signature on page 2479, which I think may result in U7 Cell being less evil than U18 Cell.

Michelrpg was saying: And given how people are likely still dying left and right, this cant be playing into his "Im looking for a challenge anywhere I can" attitude either. This is just... nonsensical.I think that it was not explained yet where Gast got a craving for fighting from, because it was not explained yet which U7 Namekian is the U7 Namekian that had add to Gast's personality a craving for fighting, specially considering that Guru, Nail, Dende, Mori and Guru's other sons do not have any craving for fighting.

Cell, Lord Slug, King Piccolo, Piccolo Jr. and King Piccolo's other sons are so far the only Namekians who were show to have a craving for fighting. However U7 King Piccolo, U7 Piccolo Jr. and U7 King Piccolo's other sons are dead and did not fuse with Gast.

Did Gast fuse with U7 Lord Slug off-screen/off-panel at some point? If the answer to that question is "yes", it would explain where Gast got a craving for fighting from.

i asked once last year but forgot and need help again since its impossible to find it on a google search apparently, there is a multiverse branch comic thats based on Cooler blowing up goku's pod, King piccolo is more relevant in one and the humans more relevant in the other part of it, it switched off at times, im trying to remember the name of the demon namek who is supposed to be piccolo but corrupted at birth in order to find some google links but my brain get find it, I'm gonna bookmark it this time

Super Gojita 3 was saying: if its the multi form, I recall someone saying the clones are linked to the users life, so if the clone dies, the user dies. I could be mistaken

That's not how the multi form works. I recommend going back and watching goku vs tien.

staplerdude was saying: Worth noting that, while this Cell does have some regeneration powers, he isn't going to be nearly as durable as canon DBZ Cell, because he doesn't have frost demon DNA.

Piccolo DNA is what let Cell regenerate, but Frieza DNA is what let cell survive being blasted into pieces in order to have a chance to regenerate.

Piccolo has regenerated from just his head

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Philsdesign was saying: mulled_piss was saying: this does remind me, back when Goku blew his top half up, Cell regen'd and his power decreased dramatically, but when he self destructed and regen'd his whole body from the nucleus, he actually got a zenkai.
Was there ever an explanation for how his powerup works or just asspulls to drive the plot forward?

It was an asspull with no real explanation that was a massive plothole for 2 reasons.
1. Vegeta stated on namek that self inflicted wounds don't work so he needed Krillen to shoot him (Cell nearly died to his own explosion, so self inflicted)
2. He doesn't actually "heal", he just regrows blown off parts. His ki isn't restored, which is why none of the other times gave him a zenkai.

But it also had the unexplained "my cells remembered #18" and "I magically learned IT from Goku using it". So yeah, his whole return was a mess solely to give Gohan one last beam struggle.

Revealing his earlier Senzu was floating around undigested after he blew up and he simply ate it again would have made more sense.

to be fair, vegeta was the one saying it on the zenkais, as goku was shown to get zenkai boosts fro self inflicted attacks and other such things. it might even be a plot hole if it was meant to be serious on vegetas part.

And you are correct on the rest I guess. salagir had to rewrite that so it makes "sense" as in making cell able to move the core around.

as for shunkaidou, maybe cell learned it by seeing it, and experiencing it due to saiyan learning. he was the focal point of being whisked away, so experiencing the warp might have allowed for better learning on his part.

I would agree with the rest, the parts we don't agree is just well, db stuff that can be head cannoned away I guess.

Don't forget, the severe gravity was also wrecking his body too, not just his own ki blasts (the gravity was constantly crushing him, Dr Brief even told Vegeta his gravity request would outright kill him).

So Vegeta's (who is pretty much the authority on saiyan mechanics and biggest zenkai abuser) statement can still be true if you add the outside sources did contribute to wrecking Goku's body (especially since he apparently got several in the ship yet the one he got after Ginyu was 10x all of those combined)

mulled_piss was saying: this does remind me, back when Goku blew his top half up, Cell regen'd and his power decreased dramatically, but when he self destructed and regen'd his whole body from the nucleus, he actually got a zenkai.
Was there ever an explanation for how his powerup works or just asspulls to drive the plot forward?

It was an asspull with no real explanation that was a massive plothole for 2 reasons.
1. Vegeta stated on namek that self inflicted wounds don't work so he needed Krillen to shoot him (Cell nearly died to his own explosion, so self inflicted)
2. He doesn't actually "heal", he just regrows blown off parts. His ki isn't restored, which is why none of the other times gave him a zenkai.

But it also had the unexplained "my cells remembered #18" and "I magically learned IT from Goku using it". So yeah, his whole return was a mess solely to give Gohan one last beam struggle.

Revealing his earlier Senzu was floating around undigested after he blew up and he simply ate it again would have made more sense.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Philsdesign was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying: I wonder if this cell will get a zenkai boost?

I assume so, because gast knew to target the core of the jr in the budokai, assuming the jrs even have one.

gohan suggested they don't regenerate in dbm, but gast might not know that.

When has a Cell Jr ever regenerated?

The original 7 were pretty much unharmed when Gohan first went SSJ2 and then got curbstomped and literally ripped apart without ever regrowing any of the many bodyparts Gohan ripped off

They never did in dbz or any other official material outside of some later works (dbs), but thats not what I'm saying.

Gast might know cells core, as he might get a zenaki here, and see the jr and assume it can also do that.

Gohan even says "I don't think the jrs can regenerate"

Gast targets the jrs brain/core/whatever in his match in the budokai. so it stands to reason he will probably witness this cell regen, and get a zenkai, or I would like to speculate as such.

The zenkai is only for everything but his core being obliterated. Standard regen as we saw in the Cell Games takes a LOT of energy away from Cell. And even with the full regen that took some time before he returned.

Myetic Zander was saying: Vash was saying: This Cell lacks real combat experience. Sure it might have some “genetic memory” from the DNA collected, but it's different from actual fighting. The normal timeline Cell had to fight through Piccolo, Androids, Vegeta, Trunks, even before the Cell game. On multiple encounters, Cell was at a disadvantage. This one here is fresh out of the lab.

SSJ2 Your Nick was saying: Something to note about this Cell is, while he lacks Freeza/Cold's DNA, he does have something ours lacks... Gohans.

It's possible he's a loose cannon in the same way, and if pushed he'd essentially go SSJ2/Super Perfect. That rage boost might make him a real challenge, regardless of the Frost Demon DNA.

The normal timeline perfect Cell had Gohan’s DNA from the Saiyan Saga. At the same time they collected DNA from Goku, Vegeta, and Nappa, Piccolo, and other five human Z-fighters. Possibility Saibeman too, which might be where Cell’s self-destruction skill comes from.

The manga actually only specifies Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Freeza and King Cold by name. It also says, “a number of other life forms” but doesn’t specify who/what.
Might be the humans/Gohan’s, might a couple of bugs. We don’t know.
tbh they say that but cell shows multiple other moves in the anime that indicate he has tien's cells, krillins, etc. but thats the anime.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: I wonder if this cell will get a zenkai boost?

I assume so, because gast knew to target the core of the jr in the budokai, assuming the jrs even have one.

gohan suggested they don't regenerate in dbm, but gast might not know that.

When has a Cell Jr ever regenerated?

The original 7 were pretty much unharmed when Gohan first went SSJ2 and then got curbstomped and literally ripped apart without ever regrowing any of the many bodyparts Gohan ripped off

Why has none of the Androids or Cell rebelled against Dr. Gero?

Super Gojita 3 was saying: I'm guessing the gohan dna is why he is extra strong.

so while gohan is usualy weak in the future and other universes where he doesn't train, or didn't have magic enhancements, gohan does have a lot of potential regardless.

so with this cell having the "perfect" abilities of the z fighters, such as bigger zenkai boosts, better regeneration than piccolo, I could see this cell having enhanced "hybrid" potential as well rage boosts.

And we don't know how many Androids has Cell absorbed in this timeline, cause Gero has produced way way more.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Stanislao Moulinsky was saying: RockyJoe was saying: kkk was saying: iron leaf was saying: Oh no, that reminds me of something.
U7 Cell doesn't have frost demon DNA so he probably can't breathe in space like U17/canon Cell can.

Since when do Androids need to breathe?

Since when Cell is an android?


Ha. Dub terms.

Jinzo ningun is the apt term.

It encompasses androids, robots, cyborgs and whatever cell is.

A biological organism. A chimera of sorts.

Funimation refers to him as an android which is absolutely wrong.

In any case, cell lacks freeza dna, but maybe he has water bear dna or whatever its called. Tardigrades i believe.

So it should be assumed cell needs air to breathe.

Chimera would have been a better fit in referencing Cell. He's a humanoid, mostly, but 'artificial human'? That would only apply to #16 and 19, who could actually fit the definition of an 'android'. #17 and 18 are pretty much biological humans, albeit genetically modified and with energy generators in their bodies.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Stanislao Moulinsky was saying: RockyJoe was saying: kkk was saying: iron leaf was saying: Oh no, that reminds me of something.
U7 Cell doesn't have frost demon DNA so he probably can't breathe in space like U17/canon Cell can.

Since when do Androids need to breathe?

Since when Cell is an android?


Ha. Dub terms.

Jinzo ningun is the apt term.

It encompasses androids, robots, cyborgs and whatever cell is.

A biological organism. A chimera of sorts.

Funimation refers to him as an android which is absolutely wrong.

In any case, cell lacks freeza dna, but maybe he has water bear dna or whatever its called. Tardigrades i believe.

So it should be assumed cell needs air to breathe.

I know, I was just playing dumb. :P The point is that the question makes no sense both way.

Cell isn't a "robot in the shape of a human" and even in the context of the "everything goes" DB definition of android the implication of the question is that 17, 18 and Cell don't need to breath which is...uh...why would you think that?

Stanislao Moulinsky was saying: RockyJoe was saying: kkk was saying: iron leaf was saying: Oh no, that reminds me of something.
U7 Cell doesn't have frost demon DNA so he probably can't breathe in space like U17/canon Cell can.

Since when do Androids need to breathe?

Since when Cell is an android?

Since when was he an artificial human? Even the Japanese version gets it wrong.

Since when do artificial bio-monsters need to breathe?

RockyJoe was saying: kkk was saying: iron leaf was saying: Oh no, that reminds me of something.
U7 Cell doesn't have frost demon DNA so he probably can't breathe in space like U17/canon Cell can.

Since when do Androids need to breathe?

Since when Cell is an android?

That arm's looking rough. Gohan has bad luck with arms and androids, huh?

Ammar was saying: Thiln was saying: Sure #17 and 18 fight together, but that was only occasional when they feel the 'rules' of their 'game' were violated.
Yeah, I don't think I ever saw DBZ villains working together to take a stronger foe. #17 & #18 are the only exception of teamwork in the manga. It's only the good guys doing the teamwork, and it still not as effective as what we see in this page.

YellNinja1600 was saying: Great artwork for the hybrid Gohan who is what 14 or 15 ?

Gohan is still struggling with the droids This also explains why Gohan didn’t just kill them all when becoming ssj. They were still comparable and far too strong for Gohan to handle by himself. Or rather was it that Gohan has lost stamina rather than them all being stronger ?
It's simply what the long nose Android said to Gohan; there are too many of them and he can't kill all of them by himself. He will eventually gas out from getting jumped. And the power gap is not that big since we saw how much they can damage him from a simple blasts.

Jeice and burter worked together to take on goku thougbh

Let’s talk Power levels:

Cold final form > Android 16
Gast 10 years ago > Cold final form> Android 16

If we presume Cell 2nd form is similar or slightly stronger than Cold final form.

Why is Gast after 10 years not well above a normal Perfect Cell? And this is even a weaker one!

Also I think this Cell will kill Gohan, just for the irony of it.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: chstar was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying: chstar was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying:

but I personally don't feel goku can be put under the majin seal.

Unless of course, someone healed the bump to the noggin Goku took as a kid...

I don't think that's where this is going at all. Afterall, goku eating senzu beans didn't restore his evil saiyan nature or anything (then again, nor did they heal Tien or yamcha's scars). Anyway, I could see a scenario where this plays out. But not where DBM is headed I don't think.

but then he'd be kakarot! not goku!

all kidding aside, goku as he is, would likely be immune to the majin seal, as in canon you can't be put under control if you are pure of heart.

so I assume he can't be put under for a power boost either, imo

agreed 100%. If Goku can withstand the devilmite beam. He wouldn't even feel the affects of babidi trying to use the majin seal on him. It Would never work. I don't think it would even work on Piccolo or Tien. They have evil in their heart, but they would withstand it all the same. They have more good in them now. I get the feeling you have to be decently evil for the charm to work on you. Otherwise in the original series babadi would have been able to control a lot more people.

This is a bit off topic now, but I mostly agree with you.

so we'll end the topic with what you said and move on.

I don't really feel like its important to have the last word on the subject so we'll end with your word.


I got to ask. Why do people think healing the bump on goku head would bring out kakarot? Like his bumb is some sort of super powered evil side trope? Like first of all that bump had been healed for the longest time. It's not like he has a brain swelling from near 50 darn years ago just sitting there. Or like a little part of his brain being pinched by his skull. Secondly he's had senzu beans and been brought back from the dead multiple times. How would his head not be healed by then.

Calling it now, we are only like half way through the comic, and now we're going to get a GT type era of the DB's being scattered somewhere in the multiverse and the key fighters go on an adventure in search of them.

I just don't want it to end lol.