Ayashi was saying: I wonder why Ikari form is seen as superior to ozaru when the power multiplier is the same and they DON'T benefit from the massive body bonus.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall, or something like that. Why would you want to sacrifice speed, mobility and control just for more mass?

monkeyboy was saying:
that is bullshit and they dont have any potential. if they train they can stay in their new forms without losing control,
Maybe you should train with them so you don't lose control yourself.

Yeah yeah, but as demonstrated by Ginyu-Cold, the Frost Demons have a serious potential they could unlock. Maybe they convinced old Frieza to train with them for a year or something and they wanna hit Broly with all of their force at once.

monkeyboy was saying: king kai had not talked to them for 3 years until goku teleported there. Goku is dead. The earth has no guardian. the means to contact the other world is non existing, unless he contacts them. But given he is the respinsible for a whole othe sector he is not paying attention to it.
I posted about it above in this page.
There is literally no way to explain Goku not using King Kai to talk with the Namekians or Gohan other than King Kai becoming comically evil and out of character, out of nowhere.
In the original manga, the explanation was "it's offscreen, deal with it". In DBM, this is very much onscreen and relevant. Hence the issues.

DeathToKakarot was saying: And I get that, tho I do feel like this special's purpose is to show Gohan overcoming that mindset to become the Future Gohan that we see in the manga special

Which will mean nothing since they'll die and fail and Gohan will be responsible because him being depressed caused his lack of progress. This is now Gohan's fault, good job.

happywarrior99 was saying: Friendly reminder that U12, U14 and U15 are currently relevant on DBM current arc because of I'K'L and the consequences of his actions.

Not really. Vegeto is relevant (despite being a turbojobber) and IKL was relevant but only in the sense that he's probably the final push for Vegeto's tantrum next chapters.

The future timeline, future Gohan, future Trunks, none of that matter. IKL could have come from a completely random universe and we don't even have a reason to think he met the androids.

happywarrior99 was saying: How? In most DBM universes Gohan either quits, dies, becomes a jobber or any combination of those. Gohan is a quitter who hates fighting.

Gohan not being too much into fighting (while not hating it either, as proven by his attitude towards it) isn't an issue.
Gohan being an emo is.

happywarrior99 was saying: And ability that Gohan lost since he hit puberty on most Dragon Ball continuities
Read Dragon Ball


happywarrior99 was saying: The Z fighters getting beat up by the Cell Juniors? Gohan still does not get angry.

It took Android 16 dying (and being unable to repair him with the Dragon Balls for some reason) for Gohan to finally bother to believe that the stakes were high enough for Gohan to bother to get angry.
Read Dragon Ball

ZGrssd was saying: And there is no way to call Namek.

Psssst. King Kai.

ZGrssd was saying: And there is no way to call Namek.

Psssst. King Kai.

Koshej was saying: I recognized Logarine and Minirale, and kinda vaguely get the SF references - but a full list would be great.

From left to right, I see Vash the Stampede (Trigun) and Arale (Dr. Slump, another, earlier Akira Toriyama work, she meets Goku like twice at least in crossovers), dunno the guy in the red suit, Ryu from Street Fighter, Whitebeard (One Piece), Wolverine (X-Men), Saiya from Saint Saiya (localized in the States as Knights of the Zodiac), and I don't know the guy on the right in the Japanese schoolboy outfit.

I wonder if U17 Cell is faking being frozen in time.

monkeyboy was saying: tao is not a cyborg of gero. He is not a member of the red ribbon army. he is a contractor.At the time kid Goku threw a grenade back at Tao the only humans native to the Dragon Ball world who knew how to create cyborgs were Dr. Gero, Dr. Flappe, Dr. Wheelo, Dr. Kochin, Senbei Norimaki and Dr. Briefs. And out of those aforementioned scientists only Dr. Gero, Dr. Kochin and Dr. Wheelo knew enough about ki manipulation to know how to create ki using monsters and ki using cyborgs.

On the DBM continuity Senbei Norimaki and Arale are native to Universe 2, because on the DBM continuity Senbei Norimaki and Arale seem to not have any counterparts on U18, U16, U14 or any of the other universes that have participated on the DBM multiversal tournament.

Dr. Wheelo and Dr. Kochin have not appeared on DBM, and even if they had appeared on DBM, Dr. Wheelo was encased by ice until after the events of Piccolo Jr. Saga.

Dr. Briefs would refuse to make Tao a cyborg after Tao tried to kill Bulma's friends.

Dr. Gero and Dr. Flappe are members of the Red Ribbon Army. However Dr. Flappe deserted the Red Ribbon Army after Dr. Flappe helped Dr. Gero create Android 8, because Dr. Flappe did not want his work to be used for evil purposes, thus Dr. Flappe would refuse to make Tao a cyborg.

This means that back then Dr. Gero was the only available roboticist native to the DBM Earth who would be evil enough to be willing to make Tao a cyborg to get revenge on Goku.

DrewSaga was saying: (unless he can do the Kaioken, which he probably can't).A relatively weak ki user like pre-cyborg U9 Yamcha would need to know the kaioken just to survive fighting those U9 villains that he fought when his body was organic.

Females was saying: I wonder how much stronger yamcha is.U9 Yamcha trained for over a decade before he became a cyborg, thus U9 cyborg Yamcha's body should be stronger than U18 Androids 17 and 18's.

Goods was saying: I don't know if androids can use Kaio kenIt took 18 years of Doctor Gero doing scientific research for Doctor Gero to create Androids 17 and 18, thus during those 18 years U9 Yamcha had a completely organic body before he became a cyborg, which would have forced U9 Yamcha to learn the kaioken just to survive during those 18 years, because otherwise U9 Yamcha would have gotten killed by an U9 villain (or an U9 Saibaman's self-destruct ability) and not be alive yet during the time when U9 Gero created U9 Androids 17 and 18.

Gero's cyborgs actually can use ki if Gero choses to give/allow them that ability at the time they are made as show and proven by Cyborg Tao Pai Pai, Android 19 and Android 20 being ki users.

U18 (and U14) Androids 17 and 18 have artificial energy because Gero specifically designed them to be exclusively used for upgrading Cell's body. Gero activating Androids 17 and 18 while Cell was a fetus was a desperation move that Gero was forced to do to survive after Gero was injured by the Z fighters.

WukongTheMighty was saying: Is 17 really strong enough for that? I thought that the lack of repairs meant he was weaker than Final Form Freeza.


Such a dumb concept and a total misunderstanding of the twins' true nature and the source of their powers: their strength not only comes from their small perpetual energy reactor - which doesn't need any "maintenance" - but most importantly, from their genetically-modified cells. So no, 17 & 18 don't get weaker over time, quite the contrary. Which is precisely why Gero feared them so much: he had made them way too powerful, with a great dormant potential. A concept that was reused in GT and that Toriyama was finally able to exploit in Super.

Salagir messed up big time on that one.

MUI was saying: 17 about to get roflstomped. This guy is even stronger then 16, while 16 could defeat present 17 without much effort. And this 17 is much weaker then a full loaded 17.

The gap between Android 16 and Cyborg 17 doesn't seem that big to me (though #16 is in fact stronger for sure) from what I see. It's mainly the injuries #17 endured after having an epic punching match with Piccolo that allowed Cell to beat Piccolo (who is also injured and tired) and #17 as easily as he did.

monkeyboy was saying: DrewSaga was saying: Quick #16, use the rocket punch and give I'K'L the most badass sucker punch you could give (like what #16 did against Imperfect Cell in DBZ).

Your nickel was saying: Well I guess by this point it's safe to say I'K'L isn't just a gag character

Whose to say whether I'K'L is a gag character or not. The real gag is Yamcha gets to save the day while Vegetto gets Yamcha'd.

newhinhin was saying: I can't wait to see when Vegeta "wakes up" and notice a spot of his hair is missing xD

Would have actually been funny if #17 made Vegeta's hair look like what Vegeta's hair looked like in DBGT.

vegeta has died more times than him, and trashed more times than him. He has being fighting for his people before vegeta was even mentioned. The whole thing is a runing thing tfs started out of a sacrify to protect krillin from never being able to come back from an enemy at that point was stronger than god. Just remember that every time people equalize it with that joke

Pretty sure Yamcha has been trashed around more than Vegeta. Like seriously, even in Dragon Ball (before Z) he gets trashed a lot. Yamcha is the guy that loses to fodder while Vegeta usually wins and even dominates against fodder. Heck, Vegeta even pwned Yamcha with regards to Bulma (though that says a lot more about Bulma than Yamcha let's be honest). I get what your saying but Yamcha is kind of the butt of the joke in canon, but hey, you gotta give credit to Yamcha for the moments he tried and even he has some wins under his belt occasionally. Yamcha is the 3rd Strongest Earthling (not counting DBS where I guess Roshi would be the 3rd Strongest).

But yes, Vegeta in DBZ is still an ass.

Quick #16, use the rocket punch and give I'K'L the most badass sucker punch you could give (like what #16 did against Imperfect Cell in DBZ).

Your nickel was saying: Well I guess by this point it's safe to say I'K'L isn't just a gag character

Whose to say whether I'K'L is a gag character or not. The real gag is Yamcha gets to save the day while Vegetto gets Yamcha'd.

newhinhin was saying: I can't wait to see when Vegeta "wakes up" and notice a spot of his hair is missing xD

Would have actually been funny if #17 made Vegeta's hair look like what Vegeta's hair looked like in DBGT.

I can already see somebody else jumping in. Also, how the heck is 16 so sturdy?

SSJ Your Nick was saying: I assume he'll take out 16, 17 and 18, but then Yamcha will show up. No idea how powerful he is but I would assume I'K'L is at least Semi-Cell tier, and Yamcha is probably above that.
17 and 18 are Cyborgs, they're organic beings at their core, so they're likely frozen, too. Yamcha, I'm not sure. He could be a cyborg, too, or a bona fide robotic lifeform, too, like 16.

monkeyboy was saying:
the whole point of the mafu ba is to work on powerful oponents, more powerful than the user. The cost is you dying too. why isn´t use is the same reason why kaio ken was not used anymore, or the eye beam of tien, or the mulyiarms of him. or the multiform tecnich after the saiyan saga or so on and so on.
That was at that time. At Mutaito and Roshi's Time.
After that, when Kami tried to lock Piccolo with the Mafuba, it didn't work. Piccolo sent it back.
After that, with the saiyans, I think they were too strong to be locked with that technique. I think if Piccolo tried to make a Mafuba against Nappa, he would resist to it.
And Piccolo knew it, that's why he didn't try.

That's my explaination.

Hyperblade was saying:
Why wouldn't Mafuba be an option? Piccolo and Kami both knew how to perform it.
Because I think Mafuba couldn't work on powerful characters. If it could work, it would be used agaibst saiyans, Freeza, Cell or even Majin Buu.

siksteen was saying: Uhhhhh.... okay?

So, is it a he or a she?

Why does it matter?
Also, "they" seem quite appropriate, and it's never wrong when you don't know their gender. I mean, maybe their species has no genders or dozen.

WukongTheMighty was saying: Sayazur was saying: Belsurs was saying: As someone who loves playing as Turles in Budokai Tenkaichi 3, I gotta show some appreciation for Turles calling Frieza a princess. If you play as Turles against Vegeta (doesn't matter what saga but I can't remember if it works on SSJ4 Vegeta) and win, Turles will condescendingly say, "Aww, the Princess of all Saiyans" while dramatically crossing his arms. Glad to see Turles is still throwing the same kinda shade in this comic!
It's not even a deliberate reference, Hazard does things well XD
I'm French and the majority of French people play with Japanese voices (sorry, but most of us find American dubbing and dbz music awful) ^^'
Not to worry, most English speakers find French dubbing even worse :)
I'd be immensely surprised if even a percent of USAians (or even UKians, for what matters) had even once listened to any other dub. So I'm extremely confident that "most English speakers", which means more than 50% of them, could NOT express any sort of opinion on the French dubbing, given that they are thoroughly ignorant about that.
(Also yes, USAian dubbing is worse than Japanese one imo, if nothing else because it makes Goku sound like a Marvel/DC copypaste superhero rather than a playful childlike fight fanatic)

RockyJoe was saying: What is with all the f-bombs? This is Dragon Ball, not Die Hard.

What the fuck is a f-bomb?

monkeyboy was saying: You're Name was saying: That's the dumbest reasoning ever.
Especially coming from someone who casually asked Trunks to become his son after his actual son got murdered by said person.
Strength is over blood for frost demon.
He was already dead. nothing to do. before that he went into space to search for him.

Except Cold didn't "honor" his lineage then, he immediately turned on a dime against it so I ain't sure why he would care here either. And it's not like Turles and the remaining Saiyans poses any real danger to Cold (in hindsight, obviously years later, Goku would become the Super Saiyan of legend and a half-Saiyan from the future would follow suit) as far as he would know.

That's the dumbest reasoning ever.
Especially coming from someone who casually asked Trunks to become his son after his actual son got murdered by said person.
Strength is over blood for frost demon.

Pretty cool idea to have Turles work for Cold rather than Frieza. Maybe Frieza offered his dad a Saiyan soldier.

Is he actually related to Goku though because despite appearances I was under the impression that Bardock had two kids and Turles wasn't one of them (I haven't seen the movie in over 10 years).

bluejay was saying: Guess I’m the only one who’s been loving this fight, two tired rivals who don’t have the time or energy to waste on new techniques. Just beat the ever living crap out of each other, honestly this is probably my second favorite fight in the tournament just because of how old school it is. No beam struggles, no new secret forms that show who’s stronger, no I’ve been holding back the whole time. Just plain old martial arts which at its core is pretty much what dragon ball originally was, a martial arts manga (after it stopped being a gag series).
Was it though? Cause from the first tournament we got kamehamehas. From the second one we got kikoho and taiyoken, and from there we got many things. And even when it was "more martial arts" it wasn't really much of that, we still got a lot of weird things and techniques, like the drunken/monkey thing, Tien's multi-arm... Even back then it was never about 2 guys just punching themselves.

Dany was saying: Then all the page 2166 speech is meanless... why all this "training" if nothing but get clear eyes :/
That, imo, is the biggest mistake of this battle.

The strength of this form shouldn't be something insane. We know at best they're around Mystic Gohan tier, which is stronger than SSJ3, but not a million tiers stronger either. So the selling point of this form is how they're basically "mystic" now and are SSJ3 tier or a bit more, but don't burn all their energy in 3s... But then we get a literally 0.5s battle. The point of the form is how they can go all out for long, but after a few exchanges both are completely drained our for many reasons. As a presentation for this new form, that was the most ineffective way of doing so.

This is getting... sighs. Just end this. The art was great but the story boarding... dissapointing fan-service.
Saligir you dropped the ball this fight, imo (though I do understand what it was gunning for here).

No new technigues... no new moves. Just a new form, with punch, kicks and generic blasts.

Lame.

Here's what I would have done. I would have given Vegeta a lot of new techniques, that he learned from... Old kai. Yeah... in Univerise 18... Vegeta in his periodic sabatical to space to train and get away from everyone... he runs into the supreme kais... and decided to learn from them. Including doing space cop errands like Universe 16 Vegito does.

Doing this... Vegeta is able to fully master ssj2. Becomes pound for pound... stronger then Goku (like he was in DBS ROF). And is even able to unlock ssj3... but never really does anything with the form because of his personal pride of refusing to follow after Kakarot (think DBS with Vegeta never wanting to use I.T even after doing it once from the Yadrats).

He showcases his evolution as a fighter in this fight, and ends up defeating Goku while barley using ssj3 until the very end. Just a mastered ssj2, battle smarts and techniques.

Then Goku whips out this form, and molly whoops Vegeta quickly. Fight over.

monkeyboy was saying: ZenBuu was saying: monkeyboy was saying: That´s not how genetic works, regardless of what age they are or what are they doing at that time, what they pass to their children is the same throguh their whole life.
So how do you explain that Goten and Trunks could easily transform into a SSJ as kids? How do you explain Son Bra having a powerlevel of like 13k when born? Ok, Vegetto might be a different case as the father, but still...while Gohan had to train like hell to transform into a SSJ?

To the rest of your comment...now that's just being nitpicky lol. You even say she should be able to transform, so what's the point?

What I think is weird on this page is, that Vegeta said "if you train MORE" implying she already did some basic training. Maybe he kinda forced her to train with him a bit, when she was a kid. ^^

Also, the saiyan Bra is arm wrestling is just a random U10 saiyan.

Because of the Vygostsky effect. They are saiyan they can transform.

No you are saying something completly different. One thing is that she is able to transform as you are saying, other thing is that she maybe/probably coule be able to transform. If you trained more doesn´t say anything about that she trains, it means more than currently which could be very much 0.

Bra is saying royalty, her power develops at high marginals, so unless the dude is royalty aswell, could be vegetas son on that time line, she is gonna be above anyone there.
You realize, that we are talking about a fictional work where characters can fly, shoot beams from their hands, are able to destroy whole planets, can regenerate and survive in space? XD
Applying too much real life logic into DB never really works imo
And you still didn't answer my question. Why did Trunks and Goten are able to transform easily into an SSJ without much effort, while Gohan had to train off his ass to do so? They are at the start of the Buu Saga already way stronger than Gohan was at this age. And that's my point, Bra should have higher potential than Trunks for example.

I didn't say something completely different. I actually quoted just what Vegeta said. That were his words, not mine.

Also, and this is much more important. Vegeta's line is actually pretty off in english.

Because in french he says:

"Tu pourrais très bien l'être si tu t'entraînais."

Which translates to:

"You very well could be (a super saiyan) if you practiced."

monkeyboy was saying: That´s not how genetic works, regardless of what age they are or what are they doing at that time, what they pass to their children is the same throguh their whole life.
So how do you explain that Goten and Trunks could easily transform into a SSJ as kids? How do you explain Son Bra having a powerlevel of like 13k when born? Ok, Vegetto might be a different case as the father, but still...while Gohan had to train like hell to transform into a SSJ?

To the rest of your comment...now that's just being nitpicky lol. You even say she should be able to transform, so what's the point?

What I think is weird on this page is, that Vegeta said "if you train MORE" implying she already did some basic training. Maybe he kinda forced her to train with him a bit, when she was a kid. ^^

Also, the saiyan Bra is arm wrestling is just a random U10 saiyan.

Those saiyans are so weak even Napa is stronger than them

Comic-P was saying: vwishmwahuul was saying: How can they be considered galactic conquerors if their best can’t even begin to arm wrestle 18th Bra in the least? What’s the average power level of planets? Cause this is making it seem like Earth is above the overall average.

At 7, Goten and Trunks were stronger than almost every saiyan in history even in their base form. Makes sense a 16 year old Bra could be the same.
As I already said, considering how much stronger Vegeta was when Bra was born, she would mop the floor with Goten and Trunks, if she would train seriously.

DrewSaga was saying: vwishmwahuul was saying: How can they be considered galactic conquerors if their best can’t even begin to arm wrestle 18th Bra in the least? What’s the average power level of planets? Cause this is making it seem like Earth is above the overall average.

In U10 they were not galactic conquerors (though I am sure they would have loved to be if they could be). The Frost Demons and their empires never met the Saiyans. Meaning the Saiyans never got the battle experience that they would have had otherwise. The guy she is arm wrestling may as well be weaker than Raditz for all we know and since we saw Bra slam her knee against Majin Nappa (who is way stronger than any U10 Saiyan) and sent him flying into a wall this seems like little surprise that she'd be this strong. It's actually more of a mystery why she hasn't unlocked SSJ when Goten and Trunks did as kids.
Vegeta actually says to her in chapter 6 (140) that she could turn into a Super Saiyan, if she just trained a bit. Her answer was "Not interested. Did you see that hairstyle? And I don't want to become all muscles with no brains, like you and Goku."
I'm very sure, if she trained seriously, she would mop the floor with Trunks and Goten.

I think it would be cool to see how Roshi and the Crane Master tackle Korin's Tower differently.

The Crane Master could see climbing it as impossible, so he develops the levitation technique to reach the top easily, forming the basis of his Crane style and it's emphasis on techniques. Roshi climbs it the hard way, improving his physical fitness throughout, forming the basis of his Turtle style which is based in physicial training and toughness.

Raza was saying: 100 push ups 100 sit ups 100 squats and a 10km run every single day!!!!!

And plenty of juice.

Jokes aside it's crazy and funny that OPM has a workout routine that's about equal to mine IRL (though I need days off once in a while) but he is herculean and can beat anything (supposedly, I admit, I know jack and squat about OPM anime) with one punch. Is it cause he is "Bald this way"? They could have written it to something crazy like "He does 1 Million Pushups, 1 Million Situps, 1 Million Squats and 10 Million km runs every day" but instead OPM has a modest workout routine while Vegeta trains in 400G and shit that would flatten any regular person like a pancake.

Raza was saying: 100 push ups 100 sit ups 100 squats and a 10km run every single day!!!!!

And plenty of juice.

Jokes aside it's crazy and funny that OPM has a workout routine that's about equal to mine IRL (though I need days off once in a while) but he is herculean and can beat anything (supposedly, I admit, I know jack and squat about OPM anime) with one punch. Is it cause he is "Bald this way"? They could have written it to something crazy like "He does 1 Million Pushups, 1 Million Situps, 1 Million Squats and 10 Million km runs every day" but instead OPM has a modest workout routine while Vegeta trains in 400G and shit that would flatten any regular person like a pancake.

Wait, I know this has been probably asked before. I thought people could only be revived once by the dragon balls? Like Vegeta and goku. It's like the one thing that scratches my head. Seeing as in the future we could assume Vegeta just got killed by Goku.

I have to give a shoutout to whatever dentist and surgeon these fighters are seeing. So many punches, and no broken noses or chipped teeth in sight!

Aaah, there it is. I was wondering if they'd put in a ki blast in this "you blink AND you miss it" -fight. A bit off-putting. They themselves can be as super mega hyper fast as they can boost themselves to be, but there is no reason to think a ki blast would "fly" matching their speed now. If they move like this and held a gun, a bullet wouldn't fly faster after pulling the trigger. Blunt example, but you know, what i mean.

Valentin Skywalker was saying: Goku and Vegeta obtained a mystical form (we will call it that here) through their own means and trained together for 10 years (which Gohan did not do). There is, therefore, a considerable uncertainty about the current powers of our two friends because no one has ever been in a similar situation. We can think that they are now barely stronger than Mystic Gohan, but that would certainly be a waste on Salagir's part, who promises us a finale with the winner of this duel against an incredible magical being (XII or Gast). But it is still necessary to justify a real increase in power!

The explanation that I interpret is as follows. In fact, here, we are told that our friends worked not to explode their ki to gain as much raw power as possible, like Vegetto (and others), but rather to control their ki within themselves ("absorbing it with their bodies," so to speak). What would this serve? Well, I think that if "explosive" ki is to gain raw power, it is entirely possible that "internalized" ki is to GAIN SPEED. They would then have developed an unparalleled phenomenal speed over the course of their training. This would be the key to their new powers.

Is this consistent with the chapter so far? Yes, completely! This is the first time we have "seen" such a fast fight, and the spectators comment that they saw nothing. This is not a coincidence; it would be by far the fastest fight we have had since the beginning. Vegetto getting angry? Well, yes, he probably didn't see anything either and doesn't understand how it's possible!

Is it useful for the narrative? Yes, it is a very original power (the only one who based his power on speed was Butta in the Freeza arc after all!) and compatible with the mindset of Goku and Vegeta, our two geniuses of combat and training. Furthermore, imagine a finale with Goku (or Vegeta) vs Ghast or XII. Having raw power like Vegetto would probably be of little use against magical powers (the Vegetto vs XII fight already demonstrated the failure of this raw power). However, with phenomenal speed, we open the doors to many more possibilities. Note that it is also possible to enter the ring already in a mystic state to counter the problem of concentration time, and this transformation does not seem to require any energy by nature.

Finally, for those wondering if Mystic Goku/Vegeta are stronger than Vegetto, the question remains unanswered. But considering you can dodge everything and interpose several attacks in the meantime while requiring less energy than your opponent, I think you end up winning against anyone.

If all of this was the idea Salagir had when he started DBM it would indeed be a huge success in my opinion! In any case, thanks to the entire team for this work!
Well said! Reminds me of Superman but with martial arts! Speed was also a factor with dyspo in “TOP”. This was a brilliant idea to exploit a basic ability that is often overlooked. Hands can’t hit what the eyes can’t see!

Paradise Lost was saying: PMC was saying: This Trunks also fought Broly as part of the U16 & U18 crew. So he will be sure to recognize the ki from U20. It's like he relives a nightmare with every subsequent universe that shows up. The Androids set him off, then Bojack. Cell just about gave him a hernia. And now Broly.

After his tournament loss to U18 Vegeta, and of course witnessing the events of the Majin rebellion via Zen Buu, he will know that he has a LOT of ground to cover for when he returns to his universe. Being a half Saiyan, you'd think he would also have huge potential. Bulma should whip him up another HTC. No way these inter-universal doors stay closed.
Is Earth even in danger in his timeline? Every big bad is taken care of and the rest of the universe doesn't even know Earth exists.

The potential troubles are Buu/Dabura.

monkeyboy was saying: cell can no absorve others like bu does except the androids. He can not absorve goku and become something else like bu. at best he could drink him and repllenish his energi back. Piccolo has minimal magic. Ghast has the magic combined of several elders.

He more than just replenishes, he gains their power. It's how his base form got strong enough to overpower 17.

Maybe that power boost is temporary, but there's nothing to indicate that.

First off, it’s a shame to see them leaving so soon, I’ve been a big fan of Tapion and Raichi. But obviously Tapion is right. Raichi is helping no one by staying here. (Perhaps he hopes someone with an enormous power is gonna die, like Son Bra or Gast?)

Second off, they really brushed over that, but these Dragon Balls can repair advanced technology? Is our Shenron just a pussy, lol? Maybe after that u16/18 will teleport to Namek and ask to resurrect #16 with Porunga, since evidently he should have no trouble at all.

First off, it’s a shame to see them leaving so soon, I’ve been a big fan of Tapion and Raichi. But obviously Tapion is right. Raichi is helping no one by staying here. (Perhaps he hopes someone with an enormous power is gonna die, like Son Bra or Gast?)

Second off, they really brushed over that, but these Dragon Balls can repair advanced technology? Is our Shenron just a pussy, lol? Maybe after that u16/18 will teleport to Namek and ask to resurrect #16 with Porunga, since evidently he should have no trouble at all.

EVA-03 was saying: snip

King Piccolo was able to go toe to toe with North Kaioshin (he was majinized, but still), who IIRC is somewhere in the android level, while West Kaoshin who presumably has a similar power level to the North was able to keep 5th form Majinized King Cold at bay, while Bardock couldn't even handle 4th form non-majinized King Cold, especially once he went to 100%.

I do wonder what would have been the changes if Broly was killed and Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta won. Because I think Goten in this universe would have started training more seriously unlike the other universe.

I do wonder what would have been the changes if Broly was killed and Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta won. Because I think Goten in this universe would have started training more seriously unlike the other universe.

So, coincidentally, Gohan will fight in his underwear for the whole chapter. Am I the only one who wonders about Salagir's sexuality?

BobCros was saying: Kryslor was saying: KrispenWah was saying: I feel like we're getting into 12-year old fanfiction territory at this point.

"And then Broly destroys the planet with ONE PUNCH because he's so big and strong and SO COOL. And then all the other people just give up on life because Broly is the best. And then Broly kills them all because he's so great and NO ONE can beat him because he's invincible."

Definitely, it's leaning super hard into this. Chapter doesn't even bother explaining how broly survived in space without breathing or eating and without breaking LSSJ form for 12 years whilst simultaneously knowing where Earth was.

DBM Broly never made sense though, if he's literally invincible then why does he die when knocked into the sun? Surely whatever impact that has on the body is NOTHING compared to destroying the fucking universe lol.
He's not Invincible just over powered, Dragon Ball Movies are the Blame for that cause he just infinitely gets stronger over time to the point of overpowering the people he's fighting. If you Kill him fast enough if your stronger or whatever Boom win, but clearly SINCE NO ONE IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE sensed Broly he kept getting stronger and stronger without anything to stop him

DBM Broly has very clear limits, he can only stay in his LSSJ form for limited period of time without passing away. ( Around 1 year ) Which is negated by him being in suspended animation. He can also be knocked out of his Legendary form if he feels significant mental trauma, like being launched into the sun. ( He can still feel pain ) My theory is that their combined attack knocked Broly out of his Legendary form and that he survived by landing on some alien planet. You ask how he can survive without breathing, eating, or drinking? He can because it's a function of his Legendary form. ALL of this is explained simply by exploring the website.




Rogeru was saying: Shabby was saying: Rogeru was saying: No problem! I know many hate specials and want them to go fast. in the same way I hope you enjoy it even a little, while asura works on the main story.


It depends on the timing, and somewhat the topic. The fight with Bra draggggged on and every special just made it worse.

Can you just tell us if we'll see Fat Buu do something?

I'm sure it won't happen, and that's fine, but I'd love to see a fight where some universe let Fat Buu absorb them because they knew it was the only way to win. Use the dragonballs or kai to break the absorption after. Buu can also probably spit people out if he wants.


I can only say that fat buu is alive ...

Maybe in universe 20.0124750176 fat buu managed to beat Broly by absorbing him, too bad this isn't that universe :(

But my question is if Broly been powering up this whole time
why didn't Goku sense him before getting to the planet? Does Broly just know how to hide his power now it's weird to think Broly just poofed with a strong power level to earth without anyone knowing.
Goku thinking"Woah thats a huge power level coming this way"
Chi-Chi: DINNER!
Goku "FOOD!"

dude was saying: just to go right back into a special
Sadly, this is that or... no page at all.
But you won't regret this special. It's awesome.

Looks like that Lion guy is trying to set a record for the most deaths in Dragon Ball history. He's got some tough competition with Krillin. That girl looks a bit like Wonder Woman.

And so, this arc is over.
I feel disappointed in the conclusion, so I edited the last 3 pages a little bit to give you an alternative take on it.



And then you would have Bra as a character who has accepted death but would be proven wrong later in the story when she has to protect U16 against Vegetto and XXI.

Gortex was saying: Gast is wanked to high hell. A couple of Saiyan Saga Vegeta Warrior Class fighters, some fodder ass villager Namekians, a Guru and a Nail should not be on the same tier as Vegito. Obviously I'm the only sane person on this site that thinks this is bullshit cause I never hear anyone complain about it. Last I checked Piccolo or Kami wasn't a part of this fusion which makes it even more of a head scratcher since no one on Namek besides Nail was on Piccolo's level.

The sense I get from Namekian fusion is not that it is a simple multiplication or addition of powers, but a flat multiplier. Bare with me here, this is obviously just head canon that you can take or leave.

The first example of Namekian fusion we see is Nail and Piccolo fusing. Piccolo had a PL of 3500 on Earth, and he trained with Kaio-sama for like a week, so I would put his power at 4000, when he arrived at Namek. Nail's power-level was stated by Freeza to be at 42,000. Doing a simple addition, the fusion would only be at 45,500, but yet Fused Piccolo was kicking Second Form Freeza's ass, who was above one million.

If second-form Freeza was at 1 million, I'll lowball Fused Piccolo at 1.1 million.

Do 1.1 million / 45,500 and you will see that it is a boost of 24 times the original power.

My theory is that each time a Namekian "fuses" with someone, their body and soul joins into one, granting a boost of 24 times with each "fusion".

Even if there were only 70 Namekians on planet Namek with a power level of 10 each or something, Nail's power will quickly reach into the trillions after absorbing each one.

It's absurd, but then again, most things in DBZ are.

(Vegetto uses sharpie to scribble "M" on Bras forhead) Yes she is!
Goku: Oh ok, in that case, go for i... Waaait a minute.

XisBack was saying: So the new DBM canon Vegeth behaves and speaks like an abusive dad, easily angered.
Cool.
One wonders why he wasn't like that when Bra called him moron (or something alike) when he returned from XXI exile.
One wonders why he didn't beat the shit out of her for calling him a loser (altogether with Gotenks) when the fake Broly appeared.
One wonders why he didn't react like that when she hit him in space (sure, she helped him, but he is an abusive father easily angered, remember?)
One wonders why he didn't react like that when she disobeyed him about Zangya, welcoming her with a nice "How you dared to fail me, you little shit?" and beating her, and instead complimented her.
One wonders why he kept smiling when Bra didn't thank him for saving her from Ginyu, instead of beating the shit out of the ungrateful brat.

Probably there are more things one might wonder about (like, where the hell this trait should come from, according to the author).

But the answer is again the same for all the questions: because he wants us to pity poor Bra.

So now Vegeth is like an everyday abusive dad. Maybe he get drunk too. Or sexually molested her. Who knows what could happen next, if needed to make Bra look sympathetic.

For sure wasting a canon character to create a freudian excuse for a creator's pet is not beneath us, here at DBM.
I would call you something, if it wasn't against the rules in here... Instead I'll advise you to stop reading this manga, since you seem to hate it so much
All the examples that you have given have 1 thing in common... it is HYPER-MUNDANE BS... like being called names...
And you are comparing him being called idiot to a much more serious situation of him finding out that after all this time, she still got possessed and can't control herself and is rapidly closing the gap and now he will have to kill his daughter as he has promised to the Kaioshins... just stop. I can't even explain how dumb your comment is without breaking the rules ;)

Regarding the Vegeta is worse than Bra argument.

Say what you will. But Vegeta has never killed someone he cared about.

And the one time he though he was responsible for someone's death (Gohans) he blew himself up.

Bra on the other hand has killed Goten, Gohan, and 2 Piccolo's

And as far as I have seen, hasn't attoned even slightly for any of it, nor has she suffered any beatdowns.

Well on second thought... Vegeta DID kill Nappa... But did he care about him? I don't know.

monkeyboy was saying: Invader_Jim was saying: monkeyboy was saying: No. It would be retarded and would just feed the damn memme instead of portraing the actually characters of each of one individuals of the series.
r/whoosh

Just thought I'd remind everyone that this is very much in character for Goku, Vegeta and Gohan. Have a nice day.

This page? yes very much in character. Pan is Gohans daugther and he doesn´t fuck around. Vegeta may think this from the perspective of an adult that is really fucking powerful. Gohan is seeing this from the perspective of a Human that his daugther where just put in close proximity of a very dangerous situation without regard for her safety. All this is in character. What I told you is fuck team four stars and bringing their material to the story of dragon ball manga.
It sounds nothing like Gohan. You are inserting yourself into the character to convince yourself you’re alpha. This is nothing but an edgy fanfic facsimile of Gohan. The real Gohan would get angry but nowhere near a forced edgy death threat like this.

Surprised how many “fans” here know nothing about Dragon Ball and behave like angsty teenagers.

babyyoda was saying: Why are his eye's green? Doesnt he not use the Super Saiyan form because hjs mystic power? Is it supposed to mean something? Is he slipping into Super Saiyan somehow? When Gohan is mad does he slip into Super Saiyan unintentionally even though it would be pointless?
It’s not the real Gohan, it’s an edgy fanfic impostor.

monkeyboy was saying: No. It would be retarded and would just feed the damn memme instead of portraing the actually characters of each of one individuals of the series.
r/whoosh

Just thought I'd remind everyone that this is very much in character for Goku, Vegeta and Gohan. Have a nice day.

What a nice nod to DB canon when Gohan says he will kill Buu. Also a nice jab at TFS when Gohan goes overboard after Semi-Perfect Cell beats Piccolo and a subtle inversion of when Vegeta says he's gonna kill Gohan on Namek after stealing the dragonballs.

It's a shame that DBM doesn't incorporate TFS into its story, it'd be so cool if they did.

Prof.Ripper PhD was saying: Bruh. Vegeta's fighting in casual clothes. It just hit me. #Casualdad

He wouldn't wear something he couldn't fight in

This is a pretty neat way of telling a DB story.

Final Solar Cannon was saying: "My grandfather who always had a smile and a likeable face... untill Vegeta stole his last turkeyleg."
I chuckled.

Dadji was saying: I like how DBM is giving due justice to ssj form in every chapter when DBS ruined it completely by giving those nincompoops from universe 6 the ssj form by that tickling feeling in the back -_-
Goku&Vegeta literally trained every day to death in order to achieve this form

To be fair, the Buu Saga wasn't much better in that regard but Goten and Trunks has the excuse of being half-Saiyans born from two Saiyans who already had the Super Saiyan transformation by the time they "did it" with their wives.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Dadji was saying: I like how DBM is giving due justice to ssj form in every chapter when DBS ruined it completely by giving those nincompoops from universe 6 the ssj form by that tickling feeling in the back -_-
Goku&Vegeta literally trained every day to death in order to achieve this form

Personally, I'd prefer if ssj was a common thing in u6, and this is why frost was so secretive about his operations.

I have a lot to say about this, but if you guys want, we could continue on the forum.

That would have honestly been a better take than what the writers went with for U6 Saiyans in DBS.

Geez.....Goten REALLY, TRULY Sucks......the only time I thought he had a chance to matter was when I was hoping Goku Black was really Goten Black to make the whole Trunks & Goten thing...a bigger thang.... But With my power level of 83. I am sure I could have put up a better fight vs these ho-hos

Finally we will find out how the fights Frosty & Empire warriors vs Hanasia & Rebellion takes place. And how Snower will take over the Frostdemons Empire but at the same time doesn't conquer Planet Plant for centuries. And the most important questions of them all. Does Hanasia die a heroic death without any offsprings OR does she start a new Saiyan blood-line with superior strength because she achieved the SSJ, which will conclude into the Modern Saiyans around Vegeta, Goku & Co. centuries later