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In the absence of Goku pulling out a new form in this fight, we can conclude that Vegeta is almost identical in power & ability. In an alternate universe, I would have loved to see Vegeta vs XII. Although their abilities (U18 Goku & Vegeta) are close, it would be an entirely different fight from an execution standpoint. To illustrate, look at Vegeta's fights & how he approaches opponents that are worthy of his respect (Trunks, Goku, his alter ego). When he fought Cell & Kakarotto, he went for the kill & completely humiliated them. I would put XII in this group & postulate that Vegeta would absolutely try to kill him. In this match (Goku vs XII), it seems clear that Goku intends on fighting honorably (no unnecessary violence etc, just like Gohan proposed to U13). In contrast, I bet Vegeta would NOT be so "kind".
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I always get a kick out of South everytime Zen Buu acts up. He is utterly powerless to do anything against this incarnation. He HAS to know that.
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Stoked for this match. Hopefully they have a good clean fight. But I won't hold my breath. XXI has placed so many variables on the chess board that anything can happen. And there is still Uub! As many have said, even though this is the finals in the tournament, I can see this story continuing afterwards with a lot more material to explore. This is especially true if XXI somehow gains access to other universes. Not sure how many of you remember, but Raichi already sent ghost Hanasia to slaughter the primitive Saiyans (in the novel). I'm sure it will NOT be a clean break where everyone just goes back to their universe!
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I'm curious how this fight goes. If Vegeto, Bra, & Gast stand no chance, I fail to see how Goku can make this competitive. No magic or regeneration. Less powerful than past foes but with similar weaknesses. I can't wait!
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In hindsight it should have been Dabra vs Bojack in the tournament. They seem more evenly matched.
That means that Cell would have killed Pan in the first round. I bet Gohan would have fought even harder during the Majin rebellion if that were the case. 1 Resposta/e
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That means that Cell would have killed Pan in the first round. I bet Gohan would have fought even harder during the Majin rebellion if that were the case. 1 Resposta/e
This is so funny. He ends up dying twice. First, Cell kills him (which kind-of repeats itself since he already killed Bojack in his own universe). Then the girls kill him on their way back to their home planets. I love when arrogant villains get what's coming to them :). Too bad Bujin doesn't make it.
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As arrogant as these Saiyans are, it is really impressive just how much stronger Gohan is than all of them. Here, U13 Vegeta hasn't even unlocked his SSJ3 yet. But even so, during the majin rebellion Gohan one-shotted U11 Buu (SSJ3 tier) to such a degree that it was comical. Not sure what Kakarotto was thinking by even trying to resist him on the next page. Even as a SSJ1, he's just an insect. And they can all sense energy.
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XXI has definitely clouded his judgement. Playing on his frustration with the constant interruptions so far & being powerless to stop them. Not to mention the leniency of his colleagues. Its "almost" like him to finally snap & administer disciplinary measures to this degree. Almost. XXI just gave him a little nudge. Eliminate opposition. While gaining allies from the other universes.
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I'm confused.
South is absolutely SSJ3 tier. He fought on par with U11 Buu & only lost due to his absorption side quest. Goku said that U11 Buu is stronger than our familiar U18 counterpart.
Old Kai realized during his ritual that Mystic Raditz would not be enough to stop U13 Vegeta, who is a NEW SSJ3.
But on the previous page, Old Kai said to Raditz that he is stronger than South "By Far" (disregarding any mental blocks)
How does this make sense?
South = U11 Buu = SSJ3 Tier
Mystic Raditz < SSJ3 Emperor Vegeta
(Old Kai): Mystic Raditz > South Kai 4 Resposta/e
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South is absolutely SSJ3 tier. He fought on par with U11 Buu & only lost due to his absorption side quest. Goku said that U11 Buu is stronger than our familiar U18 counterpart.
Old Kai realized during his ritual that Mystic Raditz would not be enough to stop U13 Vegeta, who is a NEW SSJ3.
But on the previous page, Old Kai said to Raditz that he is stronger than South "By Far" (disregarding any mental blocks)
How does this make sense?
South = U11 Buu = SSJ3 Tier
Mystic Raditz < SSJ3 Emperor Vegeta
(Old Kai): Mystic Raditz > South Kai 4 Resposta/e
I cant wait to see his interaction with Cell.
On another note, Ginyu/Cold is the only real fighter of value in U8. Frieza & Coola are fodder at this point. 1 Resposta/e
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On another note, Ginyu/Cold is the only real fighter of value in U8. Frieza & Coola are fodder at this point. 1 Resposta/e
The ability to travel across universes is a BIG wish. U13 would be stupid to agree since they can clearly see the potential danger XXI represents. It would transcend the exclusivity of U1 control. Cant wait to see how this plays out.
As a side note. Would have LOVED to see XXI vs Raichi.
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As a side note. Would have LOVED to see XXI vs Raichi.
Loving this! If he is indeed slowly starting to influence or take-over the participants, he's doing a much better job than Babidi. Notice how he can freely move around now that Buu is gone (with all his pieces everywhere)!
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Come on Vegetto, really? Hunger must have destroyed his ability to think critically LOL
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I don't know why he went at him head to head. He was afraid of him a few pages ago during the cave visit.
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I may have missed something here. I get that the senzu beans are all gone & that Gast was not able to fully restore Vegetto's strength after the IKL interruption. Not to mention he went SSJ3 against Zen Buu (to no avail). But is there any OTHER reason why Vegetto would be considered "weak"? Is it just injury/exhaustion & lack of food, or is it something else?
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LOL Videl just sprawled out. Such a tomboy hahaha. I can see why Gohan was smitten!
She is probably still recovering from that overcharged Kaioken vs the weaker Cell Jr
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She is probably still recovering from that overcharged Kaioken vs the weaker Cell Jr
Based on what XII did to Gast & Buu (temporarily), none of these guys are going to do anything about it if he acts up. They are not even in the same zip code. Elder Kai should be talking to Vegetto, which I presume he does anyway based on page 2451. I'm surprised he hasn't approached South Kai as yet.
Also, let's not forget about Uub. He might be the ace in the hole! Zen Buu's residual influence!
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Also, let's not forget about Uub. He might be the ace in the hole! Zen Buu's residual influence!
"I'll keep an eye on him" LOL. In hindsight Gast, you were utterly powerless to stop him. In fact, every single heavy hitter (> SSJ3) in this tournament has been curbstomped by XII within the confines of the tournament. He has had the hardest route to the finals so far. Imagine running the gauntlet of Vegito then Zen Buu then Gast! We can ignore Android 18 & Toriyama (RIP) for now. Outside the rules of the tournament, the participants may stand a chance if they can create & execute a coherent plan. Keep in mind that XII can monitor what goes on outside his apartment, so it would take some level of creativity (not sure if he can read minds). I understand sticking to the rules, but the U1 Kaioshins are really being shortsighted here & missing the big picture. This is especially frustrating given the previous interruptions & the level of danger that they presented. Still very entertaining - I can't wait to see where this goes. Hopefully Zenn Buu comes back!
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I think Gast & U17 Cell are probably similar in power. I know this 2nd Cell Jr is stronger, but they both dispatched them with ease (Cell with a swipe, Gast with an eye beam). And also, Bra manhandled Cell (after a few Tournament Zenkais) in such a way that it was obvious that she is clearly superior. When Gast & Bra stood face to face, I got the sense that she would outclass him by a similar margin. The difference between Gast & U17 Cell is magic, basically.
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So are there 4 sides in this conflict?
1. Saiyans
2. Evil/Infected Saiyans
3. Chilled
4. Galactic Patrol
1 vs 2
3 vs 4
But 3 is stealing spaceship built by 1.
And 4 enlists the help of 1 to capture 3.
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1. Saiyans
2. Evil/Infected Saiyans
3. Chilled
4. Galactic Patrol
1 vs 2
3 vs 4
But 3 is stealing spaceship built by 1.
And 4 enlists the help of 1 to capture 3.
It would have been so cool to see this Cell in the tournament. From a universe where he defeated Gast. But I presume that would be too much like U17.
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Cell might be underestimating Gast here. Surely he knows that fighters can hide their power.
Also, just a thought. Without Goku's DNA, this Cell shouldn't have Instant Transmission. I love these slight differences between him & his U17/U18 counterparts. I hope he is just as strong, but with minor variations in ability. This will be a great fight. 3 Resposta/e
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Also, just a thought. Without Goku's DNA, this Cell shouldn't have Instant Transmission. I love these slight differences between him & his U17/U18 counterparts. I hope he is just as strong, but with minor variations in ability. This will be a great fight. 3 Resposta/e
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Pretty sure it was hinted at earlier in DBM that Gast defeated U7's version of Buu. So I'm guessing either Gohan dies here to Cell, or later during U7's Buu Saga equivalent. I'm also predicting we'll see a more controlled Majin Vegeta (who might be the one to kill Gohan), who will then be killed by either Gast, Babadi or Buu.
Pretty sure it was hinted at earlier in DBM that Gast defeated U7's version of Buu. So I'm guessing either Gohan dies here to Cell, or later during U7's Buu Saga equivalent. I'm also predicting we'll see a more controlled Majin Vegeta (who might be the one to kill Gohan), who will then be killed by either Gast, Babadi or Buu.
Or maybe he just doesnt want to participate. He has either been through enough or realizes that if opponents are likely to be as strong as Gast then he stands no chance. Another possibility is that Gast is off-planet. Remember the Vargas only go to where the strongest warriors are.
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It is extremely unlikely, nigh impossible, that this version of Cell has any of Gast's DNA. In the original Gero was able to incorporate DNA from Trunks and the "Frost Demons" because work on Cell had just begun. Cell was a tiny larva at the time of the android saga. The Cell that the Z Fighters faced was from the future. This Cell is already grown and Gast has been on Earth for like a day. Even if Gero still had microbots around to gather DNA he wouldn't have had time to incorporate it into Cell. We can also assume from page 2432 that Gero doesn't still have these little fly sized bots based on the fact that he had to send an android out to check on his other two androids. We also see on the very next page that Cell is essentially complete, albeit in his imperfect form.
I think the familiar energy is most likely just Piccolo. Gast never met Piccolo before but he can probably sense that there is some Namekian in there.
It is extremely unlikely, nigh impossible, that this version of Cell has any of Gast's DNA. In the original Gero was able to incorporate DNA from Trunks and the "Frost Demons" because work on Cell had just begun. Cell was a tiny larva at the time of the android saga. The Cell that the Z Fighters faced was from the future. This Cell is already grown and Gast has been on Earth for like a day. Even if Gero still had microbots around to gather DNA he wouldn't have had time to incorporate it into Cell. We can also assume from page 2432 that Gero doesn't still have these little fly sized bots based on the fact that he had to send an android out to check on his other two androids. We also see on the very next page that Cell is essentially complete, albeit in his imperfect form.
I think the familiar energy is most likely just Piccolo. Gast never met Piccolo before but he can probably sense that there is some Namekian in there.
In the notes at the top, Salagir says that Gast never met Goku or Piccolo & he cannot recognize their energy.
Android 31 was pulverized but never disintegrated. He was able to syphon some energy from Gast before Krillin interrupted. It may be a stretch, but the contact made from the energy absorption could also be used to retrieve DNA. Granted, Cell was already in the works (maybe an embryo here), but Gero isnt dumb - incorporating such a powerful warrior is a great opportunity. Germline Gene Editing is a real thing. 1 Resposta/e
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Maybe the familiar feeling is from Piccolo's cells. Though Gast never met Piccolo, he senses the ki is similar to that of other Namekians.
No, I think the familiar feeling is his own DNA. I bet Gero had bots that were was smart enough to grab DNA from Gast after he throttled those first 2 androids. Gast will now have to fight a version of Cell that has HIS own abilities (derived from Mastered Namekian Species Fusion LOL). For Cell's part, this might make up for a lack of durability from the absence of Frost Demon DNA. 2 Resposta/e
My BET:
That familiar feeling that Gast is experiencing is his own. Gero used the first encounter between Gast & the Androids to get a hold of his DNA. This means that, while this Cell doesnt have Frost Demon durability, he does have advanced regeneration just like Gast. 2 Resposta/e
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That familiar feeling that Gast is experiencing is his own. Gero used the first encounter between Gast & the Androids to get a hold of his DNA. This means that, while this Cell doesnt have Frost Demon durability, he does have advanced regeneration just like Gast. 2 Resposta/e
Carbonite killed Broly in U3. Makes sense that Dabura could turn him to stone as well.
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Loving this so far. But ...
These androids must be relatively strong if they've taken over the Earth & forced the "Z" fighters underground. They MUST have a real strategy cough GAST cough, because they can't slapstick/cartoon their way out of this fight. The 2 questions are:
1. Can Gast take on the whole army on his own? Because I imagine the contributions of Hercule, Krillin, etc dont amount to much other than distractions & smokescreens. With the help of geniuses like Thorn (Horn) & Bulma, we could be in for a creative fight!
2. Does Dr Gero have a trump card? Yes! I cant wait to see what this Cell looks like. He might give Gast a proper fight here.
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These androids must be relatively strong if they've taken over the Earth & forced the "Z" fighters underground. They MUST have a real strategy cough GAST cough, because they can't slapstick/cartoon their way out of this fight. The 2 questions are:
1. Can Gast take on the whole army on his own? Because I imagine the contributions of Hercule, Krillin, etc dont amount to much other than distractions & smokescreens. With the help of geniuses like Thorn (Horn) & Bulma, we could be in for a creative fight!
2. Does Dr Gero have a trump card? Yes! I cant wait to see what this Cell looks like. He might give Gast a proper fight here.
Is XII laying on the ground? I'm sure the old wizard is just a shell, but it just seems a bit odd. I wonder what he means by "profit"? Many here are suggesting absorption or some means of control. I guess time will tell. Also, why doesn't Vegeto just IT to where he's going? I've never seen him walk anywhere LOL
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XXI definitely needs to recharge. Seeing LOTS of similarities to Raichi.
The only way Goku wins is "plot". I'm not sure how anything Gast tells him will be helpful if he doesn't have the capability to overcome those techniques.
Without magic or regeneration, he doesnt stand a chance against XXI, who has defeated opponents that have those abilities & who surpass Goku in strength & versatility. But we all know that styles make fights, so we will see.
They should do a 3rd place match between Gast & Vegeta.
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The only way Goku wins is "plot". I'm not sure how anything Gast tells him will be helpful if he doesn't have the capability to overcome those techniques.
Without magic or regeneration, he doesnt stand a chance against XXI, who has defeated opponents that have those abilities & who surpass Goku in strength & versatility. But we all know that styles make fights, so we will see.
They should do a 3rd place match between Gast & Vegeta.
I dont think the organizers will disqualify XXI. They've been pretty lenient so far when things get out of hand that don't have a huge overall effect on the tournament (Buu's first rampage, continuing after Babidi's rebellion, etc).
If you've ever watched combat sports, sometimes a fighter is mid-swing & there is contact after the bell. Even when there is bad intent, the ref steps in & sometimes gives a warning or minor penalty. A DQ is very rare. In this case Gast was clearly losing anyway & he won't dispute that. The only real outcome here is that XXI was denied his new prey. We will see if he can reinvoke Janemba against Goku since the mist absorbed the kid during the fight.
Hopefully Gast will teach Goku some techniques that can help him win. Because as a basic Saiyan with no magic or regeneration, he stands virtually no chance. Strength is nothing, as we saw with Vegetto.
PS. I love the character Gast, his origin, abilities etc. I'm sad that he got manhandled like this & seeing him a burnt mess in the arena. I would RELISH a 3rd place match with Gast vs Vegeta. Just like the world cup!
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If you've ever watched combat sports, sometimes a fighter is mid-swing & there is contact after the bell. Even when there is bad intent, the ref steps in & sometimes gives a warning or minor penalty. A DQ is very rare. In this case Gast was clearly losing anyway & he won't dispute that. The only real outcome here is that XXI was denied his new prey. We will see if he can reinvoke Janemba against Goku since the mist absorbed the kid during the fight.
Hopefully Gast will teach Goku some techniques that can help him win. Because as a basic Saiyan with no magic or regeneration, he stands virtually no chance. Strength is nothing, as we saw with Vegetto.
PS. I love the character Gast, his origin, abilities etc. I'm sad that he got manhandled like this & seeing him a burnt mess in the arena. I would RELISH a 3rd place match with Gast vs Vegeta. Just like the world cup!
This could actually be good for Goku, with one BIG assumption: that XXI is unable to reuse Janemba (based on his obvious disappointment). What other avatars does he have at his disposal? We will find out! It is in Goku's best interest to extract information from Gast so that he can devise a possible solution.
PS. I would have LOVED to see XXI vs Raichi! 2 Resposta/e
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PS. I would have LOVED to see XXI vs Raichi! 2 Resposta/e
If Gast is still alive I feel like he's coming out of this totally SHELL-SHOCKED & empty/dead eyes, staring off into nothingness. There might be no intel to pass off to Goku
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The other thing to consider is that the technique XXI uses to consume Gast may be irreversible. Like that soul punisher Vegetto alluded to in his conversation with Ginyu-Bra. So if XII is disqualified, Gast may be permanently dead & unable to continue.
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I genuinely feel bad for Gast. He was such a powerhouse at the start, even punking Vegetto. But then Zen Buu killed him effortlessly (with some prep time). He had some tough matches too. Raichi (Broly/Hatchyak) really put him to the test. I wish he at least traded a few blows with Bra. Even though she is physically stronger, it would have really been a fun match-up. They could have sparred for a bit after telepathically agreeing that he would advance & face XII. But now, after putting up a really good fight against this huge unknown, & with no other remaining options, he is forced to forfeit with a look of absolute terror on his face. The icing on the cake: the fate of U19 as well as the prospect of reviving his own people were resting on his shoulders. A heavy burden to carry & now surely lost. His only saving grace here is if XII is somehow unable to reverse his absorption & is then disqualified as a result.
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Gast should have dug underground on page 2441 (when IT failed) before the smoke consumed him.
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Gast should try to grow like Cell did & just break out. Very risky but might be his only/last shot.
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He is probably consuming Gast to add to his Avatars. Similar result to Raichi, but different execution. Come to think of it, this could be another example of fighters being used as puppets in some form.
Dr Gero - convert to cyborg/android.
Babidi - use majin seal on living fighters.
Raichi - repurpose ghosts of dead warrriors.
XXI - kill & consume opponents for reuse.
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Dr Gero - convert to cyborg/android.
Babidi - use majin seal on living fighters.
Raichi - repurpose ghosts of dead warrriors.
XXI - kill & consume opponents for reuse.
This is so cool! XXI fatigued Gast by using a powerful avatar, just like Raichi did in their fight & also with U13 Vegeta. Now by enclosing him in this mist & fighting at full power, he maintains the element of surprise by guarding his true form/abilities. When he fights Goku in the finals (assuming he wins here), he can simply repeat this tactic. I have to give him credit for being creative against every opponent he has faced so far. Also, if those objects in the last panel are Kienzan-like, recall that Gast has apparently lost his regeneration for the time being, so he'll have to be even more careful as the fight inevitably draws to a close. I wonder if Gast can think of a way out. Can Instant Transmission work? Would love to see Vegito's reaction here.
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This universe is going sideways FAST. We have 4 powerful fighters:
Janemba
Ultra Buu
Gogeta
Broly
Broly's power is continuously rising in LSSJ, so he is the most dangerous. The rest of them are frustratingly obtuse, intentionally or otherwise.
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Janemba
Ultra Buu
Gogeta
Broly
Broly's power is continuously rising in LSSJ, so he is the most dangerous. The rest of them are frustratingly obtuse, intentionally or otherwise.
Sigh. Arashi/Frieza all over again. Piccolo really dropped the ball here.
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LOL really tho, what's U9 Trunks gonna do?
1. He's only human
2. He's the son of Yamcha LOL.
And I doubt that Yamcha being a cyborg (stronger than C16) makes a difference to his sons strength.
This Trunks is probably at Ginyu Force tier. 1 Resposta/e
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1. He's only human
2. He's the son of Yamcha LOL.
And I doubt that Yamcha being a cyborg (stronger than C16) makes a difference to his sons strength.
This Trunks is probably at Ginyu Force tier. 1 Resposta/e
Gast has really run the gauntlet here.
Cell Jr - low diff
Piccolo Daimo - low diff
Raichi + SSJ3 Vegeta + Hatchyak + Broly - HIGH diff
Bra - potentially High diff
XII + Janemba - High diff
In some of his fights, he's really getting some 2-3 for 1 combos & generally a bang for his buck!
I would have LOVED to see him against U17 Cell.
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Cell Jr - low diff
Piccolo Daimo - low diff
Raichi + SSJ3 Vegeta + Hatchyak + Broly - HIGH diff
Bra - potentially High diff
XII + Janemba - High diff
In some of his fights, he's really getting some 2-3 for 1 combos & generally a bang for his buck!
I would have LOVED to see him against U17 Cell.
Captain Ginyu is probably still alive, but if he was in hell his body change ability could be useful here. He might be able to control the LSSJ form & even power it down. But then you'd be running a huge risk because now you have a very powerful AND smart enemy. Look what he achieved with King Cold & Bra in the tournament.
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Well, King Cold finally gets a taste of Majin Buu. He did warn Frieza to avoid him all those years ago LOL. I kid I kid (I know that's not canon to DBM)
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Haha Raditz is hilarious. Love all this screen time he's getting LOL
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This is the Arashi saga all over again. Showing mercy to a defeated invader. Of course it is reasonable to expect that he will return, likely even stronger. I thought Piccolo would be more cautious, with his experience. He was literally at ground zero when Mecha-Frieza returned & none of them stood a chance without Future Trunks.
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I think Dabura's stone spit would definitely work if he could get close enough (he isnt shown but he should be here with the other villains). I have this hunch because of how well the carbonite worked on his U3 counterpart while in LSSJ. Trying to overpower him (again) is a mistake. It didn't work the first time. Neither did the super massive black hole. They should have thought a bit more outside the box here.
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Now, I know Vegetto had some anger issues.... but I won't really fault him if THIS is the final straw that breaks his patience and he goes full apeshit. Lets be real, he loses his match because he got banished in another dimension, he missed out on a huge battle royale due to Babidi's teleport spell, he was humbled by Gast who outright stripped him of his most powerful transformation with ease, he was humbled (unintentionally) by Goku and Vegeta who reached a new transformation he never even considered, he was humbled by his own family telling him HE was also a danger.... and now he was frozen in time and shattered by someone so much weaker than him it's honestly an insult to any saiyan.
And lets not forget that Zen Buu outright defeated him just before being sent back. I'd argue THAT was one of his biggest humiliations because he was specifically looking forward to such a fight & was even confident that he could win. But Buu not only defeated him while training Uub & fighting the entire arena at once (including other SSJ tier participants), BUT also handcapped himself by not using magic while also matching Vegeto's power. And in the end, stared him down as he was helpless in maxed SSJ3 state that previously impressed everyone during the Broly fight. He lost in the tournament, got his face put in the dirt by Gast, failed to save everyone from Zen Buu, & now gets smashed by some BS time freeze. Ouch.
Disappointing. I'm hoping there is a "flashback" explanation in the next few pages, but it's a bit anticlimatic. Vegeta, for all his training & improvements - is still the bridesmaid. And on the biggest stage as well. But that is just subjective. Goku is the main character, so whatever. The thing that irks me the most is that even with these new forms, it was stated a few pages ago that they're still nowhere near SSJ2 Bra. It would make SO much more sense if that gap closed a little bit. It makes you wonder if they would have also been fodder in the Majin rebellion, just like both Gohans. Anyway, with all that in mind, I'm not sure why Vegeto is getting pissed. They are not on his level.
Also, Mystic Raditz!
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There's still:
— I'K'L mystery (who might just be a red herring at this point as far as story development)
— XXI mystery
— Buu possibly coming back and potentially starting that other tournament
— Vegitos rampage
There's still:
— I'K'L mystery (who might just be a red herring at this point as far as story development)
— XXI mystery
— Buu possibly coming back and potentially starting that other tournament
— Vegitos rampage
Also, Mystic Raditz!
Epic page but ... I dont understand why their clothes are already torn up
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Is Earth even in danger in his timeline? Every big bad is taken care of and the rest of the universe doesn't even know Earth exists.
Probably not directly. And if the Vargas chose him, then he is likely the among the strongest in his universe. But I mean, why go back & remain a weakling? He visited U16 & U18 through time travel. And the Vargas have inter-universal technology (the verdict is still out on whether or not it can be copied with malicious intent). It would serve him well to bridge that gap to SSJ3. Fast. His no-nonsense approach to dispatching U18 Frieza, U12 Imperfect Cell, & U12 Androids only works if he has the strength to back it up.
This Trunks also fought Broly as part of the U16 & U18 crew. So he will be sure to recognize the ki from U20. It's like he relives a nightmare with every subsequent universe that shows up. The Androids set him off, then Bojack. Cell just about gave him a hernia. And now Broly.
After his tournament loss to U18 Vegeta, and of course witnessing the events of the Majin rebellion via Zen Buu, he will know that he has a LOT of ground to cover for when he returns to his universe. Being a half Saiyan, you'd think he would also have huge potential. Bulma should whip him up another HTC. No way these inter-universal doors stay closed. 1 Resposta/e
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After his tournament loss to U18 Vegeta, and of course witnessing the events of the Majin rebellion via Zen Buu, he will know that he has a LOT of ground to cover for when he returns to his universe. Being a half Saiyan, you'd think he would also have huge potential. Bulma should whip him up another HTC. No way these inter-universal doors stay closed. 1 Resposta/e
Are his hands turned the wrong way? Thumbs should be on the inside.
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Didnt he literally JUST win the tournament? He left & the little guy was sitting outside then Dende or whoever showed up. It cant have been more than a week.
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Why is he in the tournament if he has an entity at his disposal that grants wishes? Or is it that the tournament Dragon is more capable? Such a weird character.
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Called it (sort-of) 2 pages ago:
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Regarding XII, at the end of the day I don't think Bra would stand much of a chance against him, even with the hindsight of having witnessed Vegeto's match. She wouldn't do any better than he did. In the end, I think Gast will also lose to XII, because the latter's magic is just on another level.
Magic Ability:
XII > Zen Buu > Babidi >= Gast
Regarding XII, at the end of the day I don't think Bra would stand much of a chance against him, even with the hindsight of having witnessed Vegeto's match. She wouldn't do any better than he did. In the end, I think Gast will also lose to XII, because the latter's magic is just on another level.
Magic Ability:
XII > Zen Buu > Babidi >= Gast
This one is tough. I think she has a very real chance of winning the fight. So to just give up like that anti-climatic. Also, by passing on the responsibility to Gast, if he loses then the wish promised to U19 goes up in smoke.
Regarding XII, at the end of the day I don't think Bra would stand much of a chance against him, even with the hindsight of having witnessed Vegeto's match. She wouldn't do any better than he did. In the end, I think Gast will also lose to XII, because the latter's magic is just on another level.
Magic Ability:
XII > Zen Buu > Babidi >= Gast
No matter what happens with XII/Gast/Bra, everyone here knows the REAL (defacto) final is between U18 Goku vs Vegeta. Neither of them would be a match for XII. Neither of them would be a match for Gast either, due to his strength & his ability to cancel SSJ. This is especially true if he defeats Bra outright since she is far above anyone in U18.
And all that magic is kinda cheating anyway, given this series was originally based on strength & ... gasp ... power levels. Not to mention U18 has Dragon Balls readily available, so this is just fun for them. At this point just put Goku & Vegeta in the ring, then call it a day. They can go all out here. That's what we've been waiting for since the Buu Arc.
Curious to see what impact U18 Uub & U13 Mystic Raditz will have on the remainder of the tournament. And lets not forget God-tier Yamcha LOL 1 Resposta/e
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Regarding XII, at the end of the day I don't think Bra would stand much of a chance against him, even with the hindsight of having witnessed Vegeto's match. She wouldn't do any better than he did. In the end, I think Gast will also lose to XII, because the latter's magic is just on another level.
Magic Ability:
XII > Zen Buu > Babidi >= Gast
No matter what happens with XII/Gast/Bra, everyone here knows the REAL (defacto) final is between U18 Goku vs Vegeta. Neither of them would be a match for XII. Neither of them would be a match for Gast either, due to his strength & his ability to cancel SSJ. This is especially true if he defeats Bra outright since she is far above anyone in U18.
And all that magic is kinda cheating anyway, given this series was originally based on strength & ... gasp ... power levels. Not to mention U18 has Dragon Balls readily available, so this is just fun for them. At this point just put Goku & Vegeta in the ring, then call it a day. They can go all out here. That's what we've been waiting for since the Buu Arc.
Curious to see what impact U18 Uub & U13 Mystic Raditz will have on the remainder of the tournament. And lets not forget God-tier Yamcha LOL 1 Resposta/e
Bardock will see it coming. Not sure where he's going to run though. He was never a match for Raichi's arsenal before & now there are additional Ghosts that were picked up from deaths during the tournament. DKP will be virtually no help against such opponents either. What is worth noting is that Bardock did witness Gast neutralizing Raichi during their match. Not sure if DKP copy that move. Then they'll have Hatchiyack to contend with :(
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Remember that (in the novel) Raichi discretely sent a ghost back with the U10 crew that left early. It was his version of Hanasia if I'm not mistaken. The one that was killed by Broly when she was Queen. She was able to overpower & massacre those weaker Saiyans, which was no doubt his intention.
I'll bet that he still has this objective in mind. To send ghosts back with departing universes, before returning to his own & hunting down Bardock.
The thing is, the remaining universes may be a bit of a challenge. He could take out U13 by sending his U13 Ghost Vegeta with them, assuming he doesn't have the SSJ3 limit as his live counterpart. His Ghost Cell Jr can take out U12 since Trunks isnt very strong. But for the rest (U16/18), even Broly would stand no chance.
This also begs the question, that if his ghosts leave the universe to carry out a mission, are they replenished when he recharges? Because if not, he would be leaving himself pretty short-handed. His strongest remaining warriors are Bojack & his U3 SSJ1 Vegeta, as well as his own Frost Demons. And that isnt really saying much.
I think it would have been so cool to see a Majin Raichi (assuming that is possible). Imagine the chaos Babidi could have caused with an augmented Ghost Army! 1 Resposta/e
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I'll bet that he still has this objective in mind. To send ghosts back with departing universes, before returning to his own & hunting down Bardock.
The thing is, the remaining universes may be a bit of a challenge. He could take out U13 by sending his U13 Ghost Vegeta with them, assuming he doesn't have the SSJ3 limit as his live counterpart. His Ghost Cell Jr can take out U12 since Trunks isnt very strong. But for the rest (U16/18), even Broly would stand no chance.
This also begs the question, that if his ghosts leave the universe to carry out a mission, are they replenished when he recharges? Because if not, he would be leaving himself pretty short-handed. His strongest remaining warriors are Bojack & his U3 SSJ1 Vegeta, as well as his own Frost Demons. And that isnt really saying much.
I think it would have been so cool to see a Majin Raichi (assuming that is possible). Imagine the chaos Babidi could have caused with an augmented Ghost Army! 1 Resposta/e
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So it took him 5 mins to get back to the tournament.
No this is just after he escaped from the ball that XII used to seal him by mimicking Babidi's spell. You could see pieces of him being dragged away in the previous page, just like at the tournament as observed by Gast. Here, he is back to teaching Uub while simultaneously fighting several Level 3 characters from all the participating universes, including Vegito. When the machine sends him back, he will disappear instantly. 1 Resposta/e
It appears that the Carbonite that U18 Gotenks got caught with during their official tournament fight somehow vanished after they defused.
Not sure how they will stop Buu. He's simultaneously fighting several SSJ3+ Tier combatants (U13 Vegeta, U18 Goku, U18 Vegeta, U16 Gohan, U18 Gohan, U18 Gotenks, U16 Vegeto, U16 Son Bra) among others. Insane.
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Not sure how they will stop Buu. He's simultaneously fighting several SSJ3+ Tier combatants (U13 Vegeta, U18 Goku, U18 Vegeta, U16 Gohan, U18 Gohan, U18 Gotenks, U16 Vegeto, U16 Son Bra) among others. Insane.
Zen Buu hit them with the Carbonite during their tournament fight, which somehow disappeared when they de-fused. I always wondered how that happened or if the Carbonite will still be there if they re-fused. I guess that has been answered now. In any case, this Buu is WAY OP. Incredibly (Vegito-tier) strong, limitless energy & regeneration. Plus magic & IQ (he has solutions to academic material that Gohan has been working on for years). He's overcome his sealing spell. Gast is dead. How in the world are they going to stop him? And if they do, he already has another copy of himself in his own universe.
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Here is what should happen. I'm not sure if Buu can intercept telepathic communication, but that is the only way this can be executed quickly.
1. Gast uses his "STOP" technique. The big assumption here is that Buu hasn't devised a counter for it.
2. Tien uses his Mafuba to contain Buu in his entirety.
3. They work to fix the machine & send him back.
Alternatively, just like in the (failed) fusion approach used in U20, the Z Fighters could fuse using the updated technique that U18 Gotenks was given. Imagine Gotenks 18 fusing with Gotenks 16. Throw in Gogeta 18, Vegeto 16, Gast, Bra. That is more than enough firepower to take out Buu, especially if they know the killer technique.
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1. Gast uses his "STOP" technique. The big assumption here is that Buu hasn't devised a counter for it.
2. Tien uses his Mafuba to contain Buu in his entirety.
3. They work to fix the machine & send him back.
Alternatively, just like in the (failed) fusion approach used in U20, the Z Fighters could fuse using the updated technique that U18 Gotenks was given. Imagine Gotenks 18 fusing with Gotenks 16. Throw in Gogeta 18, Vegeto 16, Gast, Bra. That is more than enough firepower to take out Buu, especially if they know the killer technique.
The look on Arashi's face in the last 4 or 5 panels has been absolute gold!
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It's one thing if you're fighting a more "humanoid" being (Saiyans, Jaykals, & even Frost Demons). These are more predictable confrontations where a piercing or wide range attack can end it all. Against regenerating opponents (Gast, Cell, Buu), the strategy has to be completely different. Time & time again we see fighters surprised by the abilities & stamina of races such as the aforementioned. A large enough power gap (Bra vs Cell) can compensate, but we saw that even she needed a senzu when caught off guard.
Here's the thing. At the end of the day, this is a fight to the death. Cell is not going to give up. You have to kill him. Which means you'll have to overpower him to the point of destroying his body right down to the core since he moves it around. I know these guys love an extended warm-up, but against Cell/Buu, you cannot waste any stamina.
We have seen this in every fight Cell has had in the tournament, even ignoring the fact that he has been holding back so far. Dabra got winded trying to break a protective shield & didn't account for the regeneration factor with the sword trick. Bojack, even if his energy bonds had sliced Cell to bits, would have lost anyway since that really isn't something that Cell would have trouble recovering from. Hirudegarn was probably dead before he hit the ground - again, underestimating Cell's regeneration after blowing him up.
Likewise with U11 Buu - Uub only won because of the tournament rules. His stamina was virtually finished (the same problem faced by South Kai, although he was on another mission). Bujin's energy bonds made no difference.
U4 Zen Buu is smart enough to hide himself everywhere, which made Tien's Mafuba useless. Even with an upgrade, it's highly unlikely that Gotenks could fight in SSJ3 for long enough to match Buu's stamina seeing that their power was similar. The djinn mercifully ended the contest with carbonite to prevent if from being dragged out. XXI has his work cut out for him.
And finally, Gast with arguably the least developed regeneration of the bunch, quietly came back from being chopped to bits & ended Raichi altogether.
So far, Vegeta has been fighting traditionally against a unique opponent. Not unlike his U3 counterpart against Broly. It is a stupid waste of energy. With that said I'm dying to see how this plays out. Cell is an interesting problem to solve. I'm completely mystified as to what exactly Vegeta is doing here
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Here's the thing. At the end of the day, this is a fight to the death. Cell is not going to give up. You have to kill him. Which means you'll have to overpower him to the point of destroying his body right down to the core since he moves it around. I know these guys love an extended warm-up, but against Cell/Buu, you cannot waste any stamina.
We have seen this in every fight Cell has had in the tournament, even ignoring the fact that he has been holding back so far. Dabra got winded trying to break a protective shield & didn't account for the regeneration factor with the sword trick. Bojack, even if his energy bonds had sliced Cell to bits, would have lost anyway since that really isn't something that Cell would have trouble recovering from. Hirudegarn was probably dead before he hit the ground - again, underestimating Cell's regeneration after blowing him up.
Likewise with U11 Buu - Uub only won because of the tournament rules. His stamina was virtually finished (the same problem faced by South Kai, although he was on another mission). Bujin's energy bonds made no difference.
U4 Zen Buu is smart enough to hide himself everywhere, which made Tien's Mafuba useless. Even with an upgrade, it's highly unlikely that Gotenks could fight in SSJ3 for long enough to match Buu's stamina seeing that their power was similar. The djinn mercifully ended the contest with carbonite to prevent if from being dragged out. XXI has his work cut out for him.
And finally, Gast with arguably the least developed regeneration of the bunch, quietly came back from being chopped to bits & ended Raichi altogether.
So far, Vegeta has been fighting traditionally against a unique opponent. Not unlike his U3 counterpart against Broly. It is a stupid waste of energy. With that said I'm dying to see how this plays out. Cell is an interesting problem to solve. I'm completely mystified as to what exactly Vegeta is doing here
Vegeta needs to be careful here. Fighters like Cell & (Majin) Bra are dangerous & often use piercing techniques. And of course in this case Cell can regenerate while Vegeta cannot. He doesn't have the luxury of being "touched". If a clone can punch him, it can also cut him with something. Interested to see this fight play out.
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LOVE this page. And this fight in general. No BS. No master vs student. No kid gloves. No attempt at redeeming the opponent. No silly handicaps. No magic or illusions. Just 2 killers (with some history) going at it. A fight to the death.
Cell's regeneration & other abilities are a real advantage here. Ironically HE is the one that was "careless", but he can afford to be, due to his Namekian DNA. The Saiyans should have augmented their abilities too. Instant Transmission was a good start. And we see Uub toying with some magic. Power alone isnt everything. 1 Resposta/e
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Cell's regeneration & other abilities are a real advantage here. Ironically HE is the one that was "careless", but he can afford to be, due to his Namekian DNA. The Saiyans should have augmented their abilities too. Instant Transmission was a good start. And we see Uub toying with some magic. Power alone isnt everything. 1 Resposta/e
I mean even at max power Uub is probably on the level of Fat Buu & definitely much stronger than Piccolo. But he's nowhere near SS2 Vegeta, SS3 Goku, SS3 Gotenks, or Mystic Gohan. And this Beta Buu is a combination of all those fighters. Not sure if he knows any magic but he doesn't regenerate. All the props in the world to him but this is like Yamcha & Tien attacking Perfect Cell during his fight with Gohan - he wont make a difference at all. Unless he serves as a distraction so that Beta Buu can recover & learn to teleport/hide pieces of himself so as not to be destroyed. In the previous image Broly took off a chunk of the planet on the last attack so I'm not sure what the atmosphere is like. I doubt he has much air left either. Best case let Buu absorb him.
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Only being who is dumber than him too. After having fought & defeated him 2x. And now with the combined power & intelligence of all the Z Fighters at the peak of their abilities to date in that universe. Plus the enhanced magic/regeneration of Buu. And having the advantage of being much stronger than him at the moment. You're telling me they're STILL having trouble figuring out a way to beat him now? Come on. This is a softball. U20 should NOT have lost this fight.
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Why is he using blunt force attacks? Unbelievable.
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Z Fighters have never been good at coordination
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What's to stop Babidi from applying the Majin seal on Dabura once more, unless Zen Buu already applied a countermeasure. He needs to act quickly. Since U11 Buu can also stop him.
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I'm surprised by this page for a few reasons.
1. Vegito, being virtually a god in U16, has just indirectly acknowledged Gast as his superior. Not in a head to head confrontation, but for the simple fact that he just put his face in the dirt & overruled him in an important family matter in front of everyone. That is a far cry from "Against Vegito, you can only obey" on page 1256.
2. U16 has hinted on multiple occasions that they have ways of dealing with various forms of magic. Since Gast had trouble with Ghost U13 SS3 Vegita as well as Hatchiyak, we can conclude that he is NOT on par with Vegito or Zen Buu in terms of power. This ability to strip the SSJ transformation seems then to be an advanced Namekian magic (I bet Piccolo would give anything to learn). This also spells trouble for Bra in their upcoming matchup.
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1. Vegito, being virtually a god in U16, has just indirectly acknowledged Gast as his superior. Not in a head to head confrontation, but for the simple fact that he just put his face in the dirt & overruled him in an important family matter in front of everyone. That is a far cry from "Against Vegito, you can only obey" on page 1256.
2. U16 has hinted on multiple occasions that they have ways of dealing with various forms of magic. Since Gast had trouble with Ghost U13 SS3 Vegita as well as Hatchiyak, we can conclude that he is NOT on par with Vegito or Zen Buu in terms of power. This ability to strip the SSJ transformation seems then to be an advanced Namekian magic (I bet Piccolo would give anything to learn). This also spells trouble for Bra in their upcoming matchup.
Looks like she's mastered her SSJ2 after escaping Babidi's control. Not unlike Vegeta. And probably Cell too (for a similar power boost).
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J.I.L was saying: Also, how in the world can they tell which is there father?
They probably can't, but if I saw my dad laying on the floor beaten like that, even if they are from another universe, I would be in a very similar position as Pan is right now.
They probably can't, but if I saw my dad laying on the floor beaten like that, even if they are from another universe, I would be in a very similar position as Pan is right now.
She's looking at the wrong Gohan. Its U16 Gohan that's dead. U16 Pan has long sleeves on. That is U18 Pan looking at U16 Gohan
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Wow. It's about to go down. Can't wait to see the other's reactions. Vegeto is going to lose it.
Remember also Kakarotto is immortal. Yes he got pieced up, but he'll still be alive based on the U13 Special. Hopefully Babidi is dead & it breaks the Majin seal, although I have my doubts since the Heliote still bears his mark. And I'm still not sure if Ginyu got the change technique off before Gohan vaporized him. Goten has a devious little smirk. Zen Buu would know for sure.
I still can't believe Cell is dead. They should get the Dragon Balls ASAP. Both Zen Buu & Majin Buu can heal whoever is left.
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Remember also Kakarotto is immortal. Yes he got pieced up, but he'll still be alive based on the U13 Special. Hopefully Babidi is dead & it breaks the Majin seal, although I have my doubts since the Heliote still bears his mark. And I'm still not sure if Ginyu got the change technique off before Gohan vaporized him. Goten has a devious little smirk. Zen Buu would know for sure.
I still can't believe Cell is dead. They should get the Dragon Balls ASAP. Both Zen Buu & Majin Buu can heal whoever is left.
I love this comic & the gore is awesome. But the Z-Fighters have been tripping over their feet for so long. This is just stupid, coming from a "tactician" such as Piccolo. He should have communicated with the mini-Cell telepathically while Bra is distracted by the next wave of attacks. He's far outclassed even with a U16/U18 fusion in my opinion, but they could have been masterfully coordinating the resistance effort while redistributing Senzus as necessary with the help of a mini-Cell. Buu certainly doesn't need one since he can already teleport.
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I must say that I'm surprised. So is the Novel canon or what?
Anyway, even with immortality it's obvious he still needs intervention to return to full strength. Here he's received medical attention to re-attach his head. In the tournament, a healer finally had to be called to fix the hole in his chest. I'm not sure he'll be of much use after what Gohan did to him. And his SSJ2 state is far outclassed by the remaining combatants facing Majin Bra.
The most important take-away from this is that Vegeta did NOT gain immortality. After all, Raichi killed him in the tournament using his U3 ghost counterpart. Perhaps Frieza was able to intervene on Namek before he could make his wish.
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Anyway, even with immortality it's obvious he still needs intervention to return to full strength. Here he's received medical attention to re-attach his head. In the tournament, a healer finally had to be called to fix the hole in his chest. I'm not sure he'll be of much use after what Gohan did to him. And his SSJ2 state is far outclassed by the remaining combatants facing Majin Bra.
The most important take-away from this is that Vegeta did NOT gain immortality. After all, Raichi killed him in the tournament using his U3 ghost counterpart. Perhaps Frieza was able to intervene on Namek before he could make his wish.
Looks like she teleported away at the last second. The other Gohan should be paying attention right about now to catch her off-guard. Cell as well if he's managed to recover by now. I'm sure that with her being distracted by 1 or 2 direct attacks, Buu could land a magic attack that will disable her & allow them to get a kill shot.
I think that her teleporting Babidi into space will alert the others. I doubt that Zen Buu would be able to search/find him & "block" the ki signature that quickly. Although (someone can correct me if I'm wrong) I'm not sure if he's actively blocking them or just refusing to reveal the Arena location. But even if they find Babidi, I presume he has no idea where the Arena is (relative to his position), so it might be a dead end. If they kill him I'd be curious to see if that reverses the Majin spell. That could create a bit of division if for example, Cell decides to continue going after Bra.
Now that the Z-Fighters are becoming more organized, that 10 minutes of air might not be enough for Babidi, & that is assuming Bra survives. She's running low on stamina, & has taken damage. No senzu left either. 2 Resposta/e
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I think that her teleporting Babidi into space will alert the others. I doubt that Zen Buu would be able to search/find him & "block" the ki signature that quickly. Although (someone can correct me if I'm wrong) I'm not sure if he's actively blocking them or just refusing to reveal the Arena location. But even if they find Babidi, I presume he has no idea where the Arena is (relative to his position), so it might be a dead end. If they kill him I'd be curious to see if that reverses the Majin spell. That could create a bit of division if for example, Cell decides to continue going after Bra.
Now that the Z-Fighters are becoming more organized, that 10 minutes of air might not be enough for Babidi, & that is assuming Bra survives. She's running low on stamina, & has taken damage. No senzu left either. 2 Resposta/e
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Hmmm... Gohan knows full well she can teleport. What's his plan?
Right?? Why power up like that & waste stamina? 3 Resposta/e
A few things
1. I don't think Bra is acting. She is fully Majinized & is under Babidi's control insofar as killing the Z Fighters (not necessarily the specific method since she left his ass out in space much to his dismay)
2. I get the hate for Bra, but remember also that Cell Killed U16 & U18 Videl in order to anger Gohan. And he was "ACTING". We previously thought he killed the Piccolos & Heloites but that was explained away. The Videl(s) are relatively fragile humans so I'm sure they're dead for real & Gohan x 2 will still have a score to settle with Cell afterwards. But at the end of the day Cell murdered them while pretending, and that outrage seemed to have disappeared since he presumably joined their side & since Bra started her own killing spree. Remember that initially Gohan didn't want to sacrifice Videl (when Cell's tail was at her throat) even knowing she would be resurrected.
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1. I don't think Bra is acting. She is fully Majinized & is under Babidi's control insofar as killing the Z Fighters (not necessarily the specific method since she left his ass out in space much to his dismay)
2. I get the hate for Bra, but remember also that Cell Killed U16 & U18 Videl in order to anger Gohan. And he was "ACTING". We previously thought he killed the Piccolos & Heloites but that was explained away. The Videl(s) are relatively fragile humans so I'm sure they're dead for real & Gohan x 2 will still have a score to settle with Cell afterwards. But at the end of the day Cell murdered them while pretending, and that outrage seemed to have disappeared since he presumably joined their side & since Bra started her own killing spree. Remember that initially Gohan didn't want to sacrifice Videl (when Cell's tail was at her throat) even knowing she would be resurrected.
Cell is smart, if he survives the next few hits he'll figure out a way around it. Looking back at the tournament, he killed Tapion & got taken over by Babidi in his apartment. He never saw Bra use this move on Ginyu-Cold & that may explain why he is surprised.
Edit: Not sure if he saw her use it on U16 Gohan. That came right before the volley of SBC by Piccolo, which I presume was directed by Cell in order to trick her (and it almost worked!)
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Edit: Not sure if he saw her use it on U16 Gohan. That came right before the volley of SBC by Piccolo, which I presume was directed by Cell in order to trick her (and it almost worked!)