So anyway, Daima is of to a great start, with yesterdays first episode! 1 Resposta/e

Few, looks like he went 10 times faster.

Morgan Freeman: But he couldn't stop him.

Right? 8 more years, and we're done. Can't believe it's all gonna be over so soon.

Oh yeah, the tournament. 1 Resposta/e

"Dibs on the winner" would sound better. Shotgun doesn't make sense in this context.

I'm actually looking forward to see what Elder Kais plan turns out to be. Sounds interesting.

Meh, finally over. And with Gohan changing his mind in split second. Uh huh.

"Now I get to be a nagging master, telling you about not abandoning hope and stuff, while you have to save the world! Hahahahahaha!".

So anyway, what's up with King Kai? Why did he never got involved?

<roll eyes> Whatever, I have no horse in this race.

Nah, Roshi needs to survive. He is alive in the future, and hidding with Puar and Oolong in the submarine. 1 Resposta/e

Vegetto. May not be accurate, but sounds better.

You're right. My apologise, I will try to refrain from future comments like this.

Cheers.

Just because it's there, doesn't automatically make it good or interesting.


If you can't handle people being critical of something you like, go watch teletubbies. 1 Resposta/e

Why do you assume it's lost on us? I get it just fine. Still find it meh. Stop acting, like you guys are the only ones seeing "tHe TrUtH", and that makes you somehow better. And since there's an open comment section (not just for gushing fans), I say what I think. What's the problem? It's like you guys are crazy obsessed with this webcomic, and can't comprehend, that someone might not be as in love with it as you are.

Something more engaging than MC going "oh woe me". Especially when, as you say, we know where it's going. Even Trunks didn't went this far.



That wouldn't be edgy enough.

In any other comic? Sure. But this doesn't feel like something you would find in classic Dragon Ball. Even Trunks was never this despair. And he had the same responsibility weighing on him. Heck, even in Super, where he lost even more, he never went that far.

Meh.

So anyway, where's Puar and Oolong and their submarine?

See, I get that, and normally would agree. But since this fancomic bends over to explain all that anyway, in this particular version it's still should be a valid option. I'm just waiting for the silly explenation why they can't do it.

Literally all Goku has to do is call his name, and he will hear it. Or hell, just teleport to his planet. It's in afterlife after all, and there are no rules preventing him from doing it. After Goku killed Freeza, who was pretty big thorn in Kais side, he owes him that much.

Psssst. King Kai. 2 Resposta/e

Lol.

>Baba zarabia na zmarłych i używa ich do rozrywki - good!

>Gohan chce użyć zmarłych, by uratować swój świat - JAK ŚMIESZ, ZA KOGO TY SIĘ MASZ.

To teraz ciekawe jakim absurdem wyjaśnią, czemu King Kai nie będzie chciał im podać koordynatów Namek.

>Baba - uses dead for profit and entertainment - yay, lets give her young body as a reward!

>Gohan, wants to revive his loved ones, so they can help him save his planet - YOU SCUM, HOW DARE YOU.

Also King Kai is still above Yenma from what I understand, so it should still be possible for him to talk to them. Wonder if they gonna adress that. It's gonna be weird if he also decides "meh, fuck'em".



King Kai could still find it for them, like he did the first time, so now I'm waiting to see why he wouldn't want to help them either.

He did it in Bojack movie, and since they're canon to DBM, there should be nothing stoping him from doing that.

Right now I'm just waiting to see logic flips, to explain why they can't ask King Kai to call Namekians, and use their Dragon Balls. 1 Resposta/e

I mean, why wouldn't she? It would make sense, that the moment she saw what Babidi and Buu were doing (after all, they were projecting the image to everyone on Earth), she would move herself to the afterlife, to wait it out. After all, Enma was also shown closly monitoring the situation.



Eh, still far-fetched I say. Wonder if this will adress the Namekian Dragon Balls.

The way second panel is presented, it looks like Gohan was also expecting classic old Baba. Oh well, maybe I'm overthinking it.

<rolling eyes so hard>

Also, did Gohan even meet Baba before? 2 Resposta/e

<roll eyes>

Fully agree, let's hope it's not gonna be another 3 years, like Majin Bra.

Agree to disagree, 3 (or was it four?) worst year of this webcomic, where Mary Sue Bra did whatever she wanted, and then it had one of the worst (passive?) ending I ever seen. 1 Resposta/e

So it's not gonna be a gag arc, that will end shortly, so we can return to tournament. Great.

...please, don't be another 3 (or was it 4?) year long interlude in the tournament, like the Majin Bra fight. Pls, pls, pls. End it in 1-2 chapters. 1 Resposta/e

If Vegeta won here, he would be like "ok, no what? Am... Am I the main character now? Are they expecting me to beat the final boss? OhShitOhShitOhShit, that was never my job!"

Finally.

Because he's the designated bad guy now, no matter how little sense that makes plotwise. 1 Resposta/e

It means that the tables have turned, and now he has the upper hand.

Unless there's a some twist comming... why not just have a fight for the heck of it, and simply make a deal with others universes, on how to distribute those three wishes betwen them? I get it. She changed and wants to help out for real. Good for her. Doesn't mean they can't have a friendly fight anyway. Meh, whatever. Bring on 5 months of specials.

(slow, proud clap) Pan on her way to become audience MVP.

I mean, considering Salagir is clearly trying to give her some development, what's with her losing her arogance, and not being boastful anymore... Also I'm sorry, but I find it silly to say "character murders most of her friends, with giant smile on her face? Just an event that occured, don't think to much about it, it doesn't have to mean anything, going forward. Bygones man, bygones." Like, there was a whole chapter where characters discussed that, and it's clearly going to be a point of contention for a while in universe. So hardly something that just "occured". 1 Resposta/e

No one wants her to be shining beacon of morality, lol. But if there are no consequences for her action, no CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT from it... Than what was even the point of her going crazy, if we just gonna swipe it under the rug, like nothing happened? 3 Resposta/e

...why are Gohan and Chi Chi wearing turtle shells and living at Kame House apparently? 2 Resposta/e

It's not traced, it's just based on its style.

Nice to see, that bitchy Bra who trashtalk everyone for no reason is gone (at least for now). Hope she stays that way, and she might just become berable.

"She's to young, give her time, and she will be just as apathetic to everyone around us dieing, as we are."

>But Bra, who was BEING MIND CONTROLLED

Hey guys, remember oh Bra was mind controlled when she destroyed entire solar system, and killed her brother? Oh wait no, she was just absent minded then, not giving a damn.

Look, I get the comparsion betwen Vegeta and Bra. It's just the writting is much better on the former. NOBODY ever made any excuses for what Vegeta did, and he had to fight hard for where he is now. Bra gets everything on a silver plate, and is being excused for everything her hole life. And now she's like "snif, snark, soorrry you guys ;_;". And we're supposed to just shrug it off... Well at least we were, before Salagir noticed it's not gonna be that easy, so he had to bend and change the story a bit. Good for him. 3 Resposta/e

(roll eyes so hard, it woke up Beerus, and now he wants to fight me). At this point I kinda miss Bra.

After learning how to breath in space (and speak without air), Broly obvious next step in evolution is surviving-black-hole power. Those damn Sayajins, Freeza was right to kill them all!

Like, I understand making a barrier, but "growing so strong that you don't need to breath"???? And if he is holding his breath, how can he go "Hu Hu Hu" in that one panel?

Super Buu killed Chi Chi, by turning her into an egg.

I'm surprised. Where is the "why are you crying Goten and Gohan, death doesn't matter, you have Dragon Balls!!1" crowd?

Best page in four years. Wouldn't mind at all if the rest of the chapter was about Dabura trying to take his revenge.

Zen Buu: Hey Dabura!
Dabura: ???
Zen Buu: You're passive!
Dabura: (M disappears from his forhead)

OG idea, do not steal. 1 Resposta/e

Because he's not getting his way, and nobody else seems to be all that angry at what happened. So he feels like "you f***** morons, am I the only sane person here?!"
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Meh, do you really need to explain, why you punched Nappa? Having an opportunity to punch Nappa is a reason enough to punch Nappa. :P

Ok, not to tell Salagir how to do his job, but IMO at the moment I really wouldn't waste page time on pointless "haha" moments. It's really not the time for that.

Ps: You're a grand prick!

No, because Zen Buu and his shenanigans are entertining to watch, and I'm actually interested to see, where is he going with all of these. Bra got boring and tiresome were early on. Call it hypocrytical if you want, but I will always give more credit to things that are fun to watch, then not.

No, it wasn't. It was a mistake made by Bulma, with is actually pointed out by the plot. After all Goku shows up and tells Dragon to go away for now, as it's pointless to wish for anything at this point. And now they have to go and find them again, assuming they can win with Buu. Bassicaly, Bulma wanted to do a "lame plot reset", and the plot was like "nuh-huh! You haven't earned it yet!". See the difference?



Agree to disagree, I guess. :)

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Sure, but that doesn't change the fact, that Akira bothered to make our heroes struggle, before they could bring the world back to what it was.



With they couldn't use until after they got rid of Cell, or it would be a waste to wish for anything then. And they weren't sure if they can win this one, nobody knew that Gohan will go SSJ2, and even then, he could lose agains Super Perfect Cell. Stakes. You can have Dragon Balls, but what good are they fore, if everyone dies before using them?



And in Buu arc, Bulma used them to early, before they defeated Buu, so it was a wasted wish. They had to defeat Buu, before it was safe to use them, with, just like Cell, was not a given. Hell, in the final battle they were actively using DB to help our heroes defeat Kid Buu, and even then they were not sure, if they will win! This right here is a struggle! So even with DB at hand, they weren't just a reset/win button. They were the prize for our heroes, if they menage win. Akira never used them as a lame reset button.



Yeah, but they didn't gather them to fight anyone or something like that, there was nothing to reset here. So they had a good reason, to use them for lame mundane wish (if it came to that). That was the entire point. To have some fun with Dragon Balls for once.

Because in the actuall show, DB are not just lame plot reset, but the prize for our heores hardship. And they couldn't always be taken for granted. In King Piccolo and Sayan saga, they actually lost them, with the death of Shenron/Piccolo, and had work extra hard for the new ones on Namek. And they almost lost them too! Same in GT, first with the Black Star Dragon Balls (they had to search entire universe for them!), and then with the Evil Dragons Saga (they had to beat 7 dragons, to be able to use them!). Sure, we knew that our heroes will eventually return, but there always was a question "how and when, because we need to find them/fight for the first!". That's called stakes. Here, if Buu can just snap his fingers at any point, there are none.

Nothing is earned, everybody lost to Bra, Buu is bored, so he literally resets the plot, back to where it was before all of this.

Great work Asura, bad work Salagir.
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Can Buu wish his power level be as high as he wants?

I will be really surprised, if nobody is gonna be freaking out about Zen Buu powers, on the next page.

Maybe he deleted his account, and his post went with it? 1 Resposta/e

Lol, did freaky/frosty/fethers got banned again? xD

Great, awesome! So much character growth! All is resolved, no hard feelings! Whatever, we have Dragon Balls, death is just vacation after all! The important thing is, this filler ended, so we can finally go back to the main thing, the Tournament!

...pleaaaaaseeeee?

Uub is an reincarnation, he is in no way responsible for Kid Buus crimes, or should feel sorry for what he did. He literally was not even born back then. There is nothing to deal with for him. If it wasn't for Goku, he wouldn't even know about any of that. He really doesn't have anything in common with Son Bra.

I really hope, the whole story won't end like this:



"Congratulations Son Bra!"

He was also going to let Freeza live, and I doubt he would become a good guy. It's just a Goku thing, and not really the best argument here. If not for him, Krillin would kill Vegeta, without giving a single fuck. So what, is Krillin as bad of a paren... ekhem, person as Vegetto now?
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Yeah, but she kinda needed him, didn't she? In fact, Babidi possesing her was an important mile stone, that finally helped her gain control over SSJ2... In 1 hour, Babidi did more for her, than her family during her entire life.

Lol, Babidi, the true hero of universe 16, finally put an end to her rampages.

This topic has been discussed for many pages now, but nooo, every new page someone has to come in to post "what about Majin Vegeta!!11" whataboutism, and act victorious about this, like they are the first one to bring this up. Go read previous pages/comments for that, it's been talked about many times.
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Pretty sure people are talking about U18 Bra smiling on this page, so uh, maybe actually bother to read those comments, oh master of DB lore...?

So when Bojack killed Pan, Gohan overreacted with his rage, and should rather go "pffff, whateves, at least I have few hours of peace from her. Also I'm sure there wont be any lasting ptsd for her, from having her neck snapped!".

And seeing their loved ones being LITERALLY torn to pieces, should not affect anyone in any way? At all? Because Dragon Balls? 1 Resposta/e

Isn't this the point, where Bra defender bring out the Dragon Balls, and say "oh come on, why should anyone care about all those deaths, when you can just wish them all back!" What changed all of a sudden, that now we care about death, rather than conside it consequence free?



Shhh, you're ruining the forced narrative.

Ok fine, lets Just all forgive Bra, pretend it never happened, whatever. Can we just end this story already, and move on from it? 1 Resposta/e

Maybe Dragon Ball was never meant to be realistic, and that's why whenever someone tries to do "realistic" in their fanfiction, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Because serious ptsd family drama, going for as long as an Venezuelan soap opera is not what people generaly Look for in DB.

... Can we end this and go back to fun, crazy and silly adventures of the tournament, pls?

My biggest problem with Bra, Vegetto and U16 at this point is:

https://t...ightDeadlyWords

"I don't care what happens to these people."

Like, can whatever just happen already to Bra and Vegetto, so we can go back to regular story, or do literally anything else?

Once again, I wonder what is Bulmas side in all of this. Can't believe she would just sit around doing nothing, ignoring Bras upbringing. 1 Resposta/e

It's been discussed plenty of times by now, with lots of people giving their reason for it. At this point it's you who chose to be willfully ignorant about it, and acting like you have a highground in this discussion, just because you go "lalalala, can't hear you!".

Easy to break out for people with their body and mental training. That's why Cell went agains Babidi, while Freeza and others couldn't. Their will was just not strong enough.
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Dokładnie. Tu nie chodzi o poziom mocy, niech se będzie najpotężniejsza postacią w tym komiksie. Problemem jest to jak Salagir ją pisze, a potem próbuje bronić tak genialnymi argumentami jak "oh, ale ja od początku chciałem, byście jej nie lubili!". Ale nie, oczywiście to po prostu seksizm i nic więcej (roll eyes). Przecież niemożliwe by Salagir po prostu stworzył kiepską postać.
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Finally something we can ALL agree on... Though probably for different reasons. ;)

Dang, now that you wrote that, it does sound better with him in this role. :T

(Vegetto uses sharpie to scribble "M" on Bras forhead) Yes she is!
Goku: Oh ok, in that case, go for i... Waaait a minute. 2 Resposta/e

Is she SSJ2?
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...yay, she managed to master SSJ2 without going crazy! :3 You go girl! Wait till Vegetto hears about thi... Oh. Right. :P 2 Resposta/e

Never said that was the reason he cried and regreted. :P

Vegeta cried and regreted starting a fight with Freeza on Namek.

:P
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Well, maybe not by Goku, but his other dad... Piccolo did say when he was training him, that if he keeps on crying, he will break his neck. :P And then later, that he wishes he could just kill him right now, but they need to train for the Sayan battle. :v And Gohan was barely 5 at the time...

18/Bra: You know, I think the problem is, you were a very passive fath...(gets kicked in the stomach) Blegh!
Goku: Wow, that was a very passive respon...(gets kicked in the stomach) Blegh!
Vegeta: So what, you're just gonna passively kick everybody in their sto...(gets kicked in the stomach) Blegh!
Gohan: Guys, I think you should stop saying the word "passive", seems to be triggering the...(gets kicked in the stomach) Blegh!
Zen Buu starts laughing, gets kicked in the stomach) Blegh! What?! I didn't even comment how passive you're acti...(gets kicked in the stomach again) Blegh! 1 Resposta/e

Yes. And he insta regrets it once he realized it, and promises to find him in afterlife and apologize him, if he happen to die fighting Vegeta. He doesn't go "pshhhh whateves, Dragon Balls!". Goku was never dismisive about hurting innocent.

If she has little to no control over her powers, why are they even letting her do anything?

Well, she literally said "it's my fault", and who are we to argue with her...?
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You still making that video, when you explain that?

Goku being like "Oh...!! ...I MISSED ALL OF THAT?! ;_; T_T :<"

Joker never did anything wrong, he's just mentaly ill, not responsible for his actions. It's all Vegetto, I mean, Batmans fault!

Hm... No.

Vegeta: Bra, are you ok? Are you hurt? You need anything? Do you want me to hug you?!

Vegetto: ...hm? What? Sorry, busy thinking of ways to kill my daughter.

So if we lived in a world with easy access to Dragon Balls... You and your family would be totally ok with me murdering you in a fit of rage, right in front of them, because "eeeeh wathever, you can bring him back whenever. Hey kids, look! It's your dads dead body! With half of it missing!"? No hard feelings, we're cool bro, that I traumatized your kids?

While I agree, that taking the senzu was not against the rules, I also agree that it should have been forshadowed somehow. It's a basic writting tool, to not make it seem, like writter pulls plot twists out of his ass.

And it doesn't change the fact, that Bra accepted idiotic bet, without thinking it throu', and then won do to luck (that she had senzu with her), and technicality (that it's not disallowed), and still acts all smug about it, like it was always part of her cunning the plan. Ginyu proved, what an arrogant fool she is (twice, as he managed to steal her body too, while she gloated)... And no lesson was learned from that, Bra continued to be talkin-shit-about-everyone-because-I'm-s­tronger Bra.

And that's what rubbed me the wrong way. And I'm sorry, but Salagir saying "Aha! You activated my trap card! That was my plan all along!" does not help make it any better. Again, you can write a character that people don't want to sympatize with, but still want to see more of, because they are just THAT interesting. As far as being interesting, Bra is really a... PASSIVE... character...

Ok, how about some good news for a change?

About the damn time, I would say!

Haha, I know, right? Like, I have no problem to acknowledged that Vegetto played big part in making her who she is. But HE IS NOT HER ONLY FAMILY. What about Bulma? Gohan? Goten? Chi Chi? Videl? Pan? Did literally NOBODY knew, about this? Did Vegetto rise her completly on his own? And what about Bra herself? Did she ever tried to work on her problems? But nope, some people are just like...



...and treat Bra like some crystal clear, poor misguided soul, that could murder a bunch of puppies in front of them, and they would still scream on top of their lungs "OMG, VEGETTO, LOOK WHAT YOU DID!!!11".

I would have totally diferent outlook on her, if Salagir bothered to show us a story, where she acknowledged her problem to HERSELF, and tried to work on it. And she might even fail in the end, but at least we would know that she TRIED TO DO SOMETHING about it. Trying to fix her NOW? A little to late for that...

I know, but a man can dream, huh? ;_;
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