supersaiyan2kakarot was saying: I believe goku and vegeta are still inferior to gohan in terms of raw power

No freaking way.

Gohan himself said that Cell was probably stronger than he was, and Vegeta beat Cell without even tapping into this form.

Goku and Vegeta have far surprassed Gohan now. Hell, they even make Vegetto jealous. That's real power.

@all: No, this is NOT ultra instinct, this has nothing to do with DBS, so please stop comparing that all the time. We don't talk about Super here in the DBM comment section. We've been way too lenient here lately. So it's time to be a bit more harsh. If you mention Super in any way or form, your comment will be deleted. It doesn't matter how much you talk about DBM in the rest of the comment. It always spirals into more off topic later on.

supersaiyan2kakarot was saying: MUI was saying: Nice page! Does someone has a indication how strong Goku is here in his SSJ0? Still weaker then Ultimate Gohan? Or can he even defeat SSJ2 Bra?
So far, "normal super saiyan" feels like having ssj3 power without the drawbacks. I believe goku and vegeta are still inferior to gohan in terms of raw power but make up for it with experience and techniques. If goku were to fight ssj2 bra now, it would probably be a high diff fight with bra winning, since she now knows the form and should be able to keep up with it.
There is a big difference though. NSSJ is waaay faster. In the first round of their fight, they only fought for half a second, which was equivalent to like 30 minutes, at least Gohan said it would take this long to explain everything that happened. And I'd say they both are stronger than Gohan now, since that as the whole reason to achieve this form in the first place. I'm not sure about Bra though. Tough to say if they'd win against her. I mean, they both should have a lot more combat experience than her. And Bra was kind of struggling a bit with Cell too.

FearfulDivine was saying: Is it really called SSJ0 or Ultimate Goku?
It's called NSSJ = Normal Super Saiyan. (Page 2273)

Though I personally prefer SSJ Max.

JustSaiyan was saying: supersaiyan2kakarot was saying: I believe goku and vegeta are still inferior to gohan in terms of raw power

No freaking way.

Gohan himself said that Cell was probably stronger than he was, and Vegeta beat Cell without even tapping into this form.

Goku and Vegeta have far surprassed Gohan now. Hell, they even make Vegetto jealous. That's real power.
Cell lowered his energy to get another Zenkai from Vegeta. If he used his full power, Vegeta couldn't have blitzed him with his SSJ3 like that. Goku and Vegeta aren't stronger than Gohan in their SSJ3 forms. Salagir capped the transformations. For example, a normal SSJ, could never be stronger than a SSJ2 and so on. Goku can't beat Frieza in his base form too. Obvious exceptions are fusions like Vegetto, Gotenks or Son Bra. I'm not a big fan of this either, but that's how Salagir sees it.

Red Dragon was saying: I think it was 2014 when I started reading DBM. So cool to finally be at the end...!
I'm going to say this again. Just because the tournament ends, it doesn't mean that DBM also ends immediately. There are still a lot of plots open to be shown. Just remember all the visions from Bardock. All of them will happen sooner or later.

Nice page! Does someone has a indication how strong Goku is here in his SSJ0? Still weaker then Ultimate Gohan? Or can he even defeat SSJ2 Bra?

Maybe it is the result of the mental blocks that the old kayoshin planted in Raditz's mind... just saying

Definitely the result of the mental blocks that made it impossible for him to hurt "good people"

I'm confused at these motivations. Is Namek destroyed in U13? Is it destroyed/exist in XXI's universe? If it's as simple as asking the dragon for the ability to travel the universes, surely XXI can find a spell or whatnot to revive a dragon clan Namek. Then just make a wish from the safety of his own universe? Same as the Saiyan's. They're clearly strong enough to make the Namekians do it, as they did in Z at Vegeta's level. Idk man, goals seem lofty.

Who is the blond chick next to I'K'L again?

So Question, Do these guys exist in U16 and U18?

Well....this is.....honestly the only option but then again...
If Kakorotto fuses with Raditz who is not immortal would he be half immortal?

Would he be like Zamasu or something?

Now that I think about it if Raditz had come back and even if he succeeded in killing Vegeta, Kakorot would be immortal and Raditz would die eventually.

Maybe he their fusion won't be immortal anymore and while they will kill Vegeta and Nappa, they will live out their days in their own corner and eventually die.

Roshi suddenly blasting a Kamehameha to blast himself across the finish line first would be such a baller win. My prediction/hope.

Did 17's ride break down?

MajinPower was saying: Remember Yamcha’s quote in Bardack’s vision: “You beat everyone but you can’t even touch me!!”

can someone please tell me what page was that from?

supersaiyan2kakarot was saying: SuperSaiyanJ was saying: I'm guessing this will later to be shown as planned and this is all an act
If that turns out to be true then I'll take back what I said about them earlier. Also, it would be weird for 17 to say he's number 1 when 18 is currently stronger than him by a wide margin now.
looks like he said he's number 17, not number 1

Obviously he's fine.

supersaiyan2kakarot was saying: Also, it would be weird for 17 to say he's number 1 when 18 is currently stronger than him by a wide margin now.

He said there's only one number 17.

I'm guessing this will later to be shown as planned and this is all an act

Well 17 and 18 aren't doing shit. It's really dependent on how strong Yamcha is. I'K'L is likely somewhere between 16 and Semi-Perfect Cell based on what we've seen (Maybe stronger, as he is probably holding back).

I'd assume he is stronger, since Bulma probably enhanced him.

Reminds me of how unimpressive and downright insignificant Kakarot aka Goku actually is in Universe 3. In a thriving Saiyan society, without the certain conditions like in U18 or U13, Kakarot would be nothing more than a (below average) regular soldier/fighter like Raditz.

Did Bojack transform?

The drawing style seems visibly worse to me, I still like it, a shame, the beginning had a fantastic aesthetic.

Returned to the fact that apparently Bojack has increased his power since his escape from the experiment session, it seems very strange to me that an unimportant guy can easily dominate Bujin, and that a soldier of probably no more than 100,000 units can kill these 2 drunk so easily.

What? Am I supposed to believe that some members of Bojack's gang are weaker than Reecome, while others are around and above the level of a Cell Jr? I don't think so, it seems unnatural to me, I would say that Bojack is currently at the levels of Frieza in his original form.

Hello, all. Looooong time reader/lurker-- since around 2009, I think. My question is where would you guys place Goku and Vegeta in their new forms? Clearly they're above SSJ3, but unfortunately, we haven't seen any characters (outside of maybe Gohan) truly reacting in a way that would establish that they are above SSJ Bra or close to SSJ Vegetto (other than the fact that most of the characters could not perceive the initial part of their battle.

Wait... is this a new content? I thought Recoom died to Nail.

Nice original page. Good to see some banter between the two rival squads. But Dore, dude, I've seen the future and it looks grim for you guys...

"You should know by now, Kakarot! PRINCE VEGETA!! NEVER!! GIVES!! UP!!!"