Voluntarily coming by three times a week just to get mad about something and futilely complain about it for literal years is pretty bonkers.

Nice! Cool idea to bring him into the show.
If Janemba is around his movie level, I would guess around Super Buu, Gast should be able to handle him just fine.But XXI might very well have juiced him up with more "evil" or the DBM version is just stronger in general.

Somebody is dodging the child support

We don't know if he used the namekian healing ability in the first place. He is a powerful wizard after all, I would assume he came across some potent healing spells during his studies.

Again casually clapped via weird ability, bro's gonna be so mad.

Lmao let the seething begin 1 Replie(s)

So he has his potential unlocked, meaning no more augmentation via transformations. Despite that, kinda feels like he isn't nearly as strong as base Vegetto was back in the Boo arc. Ultimate warrior my ass. Immortality is handy, admittedly.

Strap in for a new round of fresh Broly wank (:

Let's see what mischief the old chap is up to this time.

Didn't Bojack kill him the same way?
As cool as it looks, Final Flash is a shit technique, no wonder he never used it again.

Fuck yeah

Zen Buu says different tho. He was actually sealed.

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Good chance they mafuba-ed his ass instead of actually matching his power. They definitely used it before, their Tien tried it on Zen Buu. 1 Replie(s)

Comparing the Kienzan to a basic punch is comparing apples to orages. 1 Replie(s)

He wasn't hurt by 18's ki attack and 17's kick, while it managed to bring him down, doesn't seem to have done any lasting damage, you are right about that. But 18's punch to the knee did. He looks to be still hurting and seems to avoid putting weight on it standing only on one leg.

I dont think so. I can't see 17 and 18 doing anything like what they did to Yamcha to somebody of Perfect Cell's level, even if you consider that 18 suckerpunched him. I would assume as strong or a little stronger than Vegeta and Trunks at the Cell Games. 1 Replie(s)

Legit made me chuckle



Yep, my bad

True bro, you totally convinced me. About time ability trumps the bigger number in DBZ.

Chadldo is just superior to the fused manchild in every way. As a fighter but especially as a man, in the bedroom, as a friend, as a husband and for sure as a father.

Vegettocels btfo by psychic toad manlet. 1 Replie(s)

Lol calm down

Guldo still was not even able to attack while freezing time, let alone feeze time on the scale and duration IKL does. Their abilities are worlds appart. Point stands, he still is no threat to Vegetto anytime soon. 1 Replie(s)

Guldo's ability worked differently, it seemed far less absolute and far less powerful. Iirc Gohan and Krillin, while frozen in place, were shaking,struggeling, breathing etc, not just frozen solid through. I would assume Guldo's version doesn't prevent ki from flowing, so he can't hurt Vegetto. If his ability does work on an opponent that much more powerful at all. He was struggeling to keep Gohan and Krillin in place for a short time, who while stronger than him, were not THAT much stronger. 2 Replie(s)

18 is doing better than expected, but 17 seems to be about done.

Yeah, it does read like that. We got Future Trunks out of it and from a story perspective Vegeta obviously was the better choice in the long run, but I was super mad reading it for the first time, I liked Bulma and Yamcha and I liked them together.

I would also assume there is more behind it then him just wanting to help out some fellow androids. Perhaps this Yamcha was a former villian that got a second chance to turn his life around, so he can empathise with them beyond them just being fellow androids, and wants to do for them what somebody once did for him? While our Yamcha was a desert bandit, he wasn't a wanton butcher like those androids, but maybe this Yamcha was. Maybe he was programmed to be this way by Gero and somehow managed to escape his programming, maybe that is where the Bulma of their universe fits in, and he assumes 17/18 are the way he was, victims of Gero themselves, made to commit those atrocities due to his programming.

True. It's more of a vibe I had. I kinda remember Bulmas mom said in the og Dragonball that Bulma and Yamcha were arguing, because Yamcha was popular with the girls. Doesn't mean he cheated ofc, I can totally see Bulma, especially DB Bulma, as the jelouse type that gets mad over nothing.

Yeah, no, Iam also not seeing this. He is a bit of a flirt, but he seems to be a good guy that just wants to help and save some lost souls in the progress. 2 Replie(s)

I always imagined they cheated on each other all the time and Bulma was the one to call it quits in the end. Or she just told Trunks the more pro Bulma version of the story. 1 Replie(s)

Man, fuck these two clows. Didn't they hear chicken hairdo's, I must kill you all, speech? Are they really that shortsighted?

Fuck yeah, go Yamcha!

They aren't fully organic, they have artificial energy sources and don't give off any energy, just like 16. They are much more organic than 16, but not fully.
And Cell didn't fully assimilate them, shown when he puked out a complete 18, after Gohan beat him up. 1 Replie(s)

Cell is different because he is fully organic. For example, he also gives out an energy signature that can be sensed, unlike the cyborgs. 1 Replie(s)

That particular Cell Jr was supposed to be from the Cell Game era, iirc. It was the runt of the litter, the one he killed before the Gast match, to be replaced by a stronger one.

Nah, it was a majin augmented Cell Junior, so he should be a good deal more powerful than he was at the Cell Games. They finished him off with teamwork, but we don't know how Yamcha on his own would have done against the Jr, let alone against the unaugmented Cell Game version.
Yamcha has to be much stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell, his punches did good damage on a majin augmented fpssj tier oppenent, that back at the Cell games, unaugmented, played around with post two HTC training sessions Vegeta, while semi-perfect Cell punching a weaker Vegeta straight in the face with everything he got, did nothing.

Android Yamcha and especially the humans accompanying him, are freakishly strong for what they are. I wouldn't be suprised if all of them are augmented with Gero's technology to some degree. 1 Replie(s)

Dumpstered again by pesky magic, he is gonna be so mad.

Did it also turn Vegetto into stone? They way he breaks seems unorganic. Maybe it's some kind solid ki doppelganger of him and not the real one? 1 Replie(s)

Not only did he double tap Cold, in the anime, even shot through Cold was still pretty lively, trying to negotiate with Trunks before being put down for good.

I guess fear of the remaining frost demons is the only reason nobody shanked that bozo in his sleep. 1 Replie(s)

That was Ginyu in Cold's body after years of dedicated trainig tho. Cold,himself, was probably weaker in his original form before. 1 Replie(s)

I could see them defeating Polar like that, the energy bonds are nasty.

I also think it's the latter, like you said, there seems to be more of a difference between transformed and untransformed Bojack in DBM than in the movie. But Pan being around Vegetas level at the Cell Games is not as far fetched as it appears at first. Goten and Trunks were younger than her and could fight pretty evenly with 18 while handicapped, Trunks even giving her a good scare with his energy attack.

Bojack is probably not as strong here as he was on earth, where, even untransformed, he seemed to be in perfect Cell's ballpark. 1 Replie(s)

Bozo's gonna need to tranform for that one

Most importantly, he will also get an action figure, like all the other Glup Shittos. 1 Replie(s)

smug bastard vs smug bastard

That looks familiar.

Iam curious how strong everybody is at that point.In the bojack origin special the original owner of the sword was the strongest, until bojack transformed. Something like 800 000 units. No idea if that was pre enhancements or post. If it was pre experiment, we can assume Polar is stronger than 800 000 units, or they wouldn't need the enhancements in the first place. And as Bido does not know this form, he is stronger in one of his suppresion forms. Pre enhancement seems unlikely tho, considering how rare even the power of Ginyu force was in the galaxy and Frieza's strenght, even in his first form, was unheard of.
If it's post, Polar might be weaker than 800 000, again probably in a suppresion form, as the scientist was optimistic about their chances against the demons after enhancements. Bojack was around 100 000 in the special, and manged to defeat sword dude after transforming, so he got more than eight times more powerful transforming. Bido was 130 000 at that time. So if he can also transform at this point, he might be able to kill Polar.

Polar seems stronger than base Bido, but I don't think by that much. The multi blast did nothing, but when does it ever, and while the knee drew blood, it's not like it took him out, in fact he does not look that affected.

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To give Goku some credit even if he falls for it, in their current form they have hardly any energy output to read,so sneak attacks like that are really hard to detect and react to.

Iirc that looks like the same attack he used to blow a hole through fat Buu, so maybe Goku will actually end up like in the mini comic 1 Replie(s)

well, thats one way to do it. I hope we at least get to see some flashbacks of what happend during the fight, everything else would be trolling after all that buildup.

It looks like Vegetto does not know their new form, so I guess if Vegeta and Goku were to fuse into Gogeta they would be stronger in the new form than Vegetto in ssj3.

It's Popo time

Would be so satisfying if they tried to lay hands on Trunks or 16, just to get clapped like they are nothing.


Vegeta is an ssj2, that alone should be way out of their league.

Could go either way. Vegeta told Trunks during their fight that he would be a difficult challenge for perfect Cell with his usage of Ussj. As Bojack is about as strong as perfect Cell, he also would have problems with Trunks. Bojack also does not come across as much of a martial artist imo, while Cell is a great martial artist, so I think he would struggle more against Trunks than Cell would.

Good points. I tend to think he had ssj2 before the spell, because I don't think even Vegeta would be as confident as he was in taking on ssj2 Gohan at the tournament with just his ssj form. Not after he could experience what Gohan could do at the Cell games with his own eyes. No matter how rusty Gohan was at that point. 1 Replie(s)

I wonder if Trunks as he is now could beat Bojack as he somewhat held his own against ssj2 Vegeta with his Ussj tricks, at least for a little. Granted, ssj2 Vegeta wasn't all too serious, but he should be much stronger than bojack at this point. 3 Replie(s)

The alien that cursed Bardock with his visions can rest well now, his revenge finally fullfilled.

Ah, so the lame robotic voice thing insinuating people who actually like the chapter are bots/NPCs who blindly try to please the master and cant think for themselves was meant as a compliment.

Bro, you ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until you meet the real heavy weights.

I hate when that happens 1 Replie(s)

Stupid, sexy Trunks. Put on a shirt, will ya? 1 Replie(s)

Just reread it, you are right. XIII asked him how to easily defeat 18 und shortly after XIII defeats her with the remote control like the ones Gero and Bulma build. I doubt XIII could get his hands on one in such a short time after just having learned about it without a wish.



Yeah maybe. The dragons follow very different rules and maybe the one he has allied with is not able to grant whatever he is searching for.



That would explain the smoke lol



And it would use one of the few cool new ideas from GT, an evil shenron.

Is the second dude some kind of namekian shenron? Physique seems to fit, he seems to be able to grant stuff(within limits) and he seems to have an antenna like a namekian/namekian shenron. On the other hand, why does XIII need to win the tournament if he has access to a shenron and wishes. 3 Replie(s)

Somebody get Vegetto some beans and soon, dude looks like he is seething harder in the background than the comment sections under the last three pages.

Gast will talk her out of it and they will still fight copium

The barrage is probably not supposed to actually defeat Gast, but to keep him occupied him to prevent him from using his magic.

Prediction time: Gast will think through same more scenarios, will come to the conclusion that he can't win without blocking her energy, ask her for one of the wishes if she wins the tournament, gives up and I will be big mad. Also there will be a pep talk during or after the fight.


That one also sounds probable 2 Replie(s)

insert "oh you're approaching me" meme

So Gast can block her energy. Question remains if he do it only with tranformations like ssj or is this something he can do to everyone who fights using ki? That would make him very powerful and able to punch far above his weight class

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWdZEumNRmI

I think I get it now. Tombobreaker said

"terrible twist that somehow Vegetto who up to then had been shown as a decent parent was suddenly an abusive monster"

And I answered to him that Vegettos reaction to Bra after her two big fuck ups was consistent with how he was portrayed before and not a sudden twist.

And you took it as me saying he was always portayed as an abusive monster and thats why you showed me examples of him having a good relationship with her and beeing forgiving about her failings.

That is not what I wanted to say. My answer was about Vegettos reaction beeing consistent and not a 180, not that he was always an abusive monster. For the record, I don't think Vegetto is some kind of abusive abusive monster that has everyone cowering in fear around him afraid to do something wrong. I don't even think he is that bad of a father per se or that he and Bra don't have a somewhat decent relationship in general. I do think he and Bra are a bad fit and bring out some of the worst in each other considering both their issues tho.

My point was not that he is an abusive monster, while he has flaws and is a bad fit for Bra, I don't think he is. My point was that given how his character was portrayed in previous situations, like with Gohan after his loss, the way he acted after Bra killed Goten/planets full of people and after the Majin rebellion was in character and not a twist.

He can be forgiving in some situations (Bra losing control while trying to save them in space with no collateral damage and no other options) and still lose his shit in other, far more servere, situations (her butchering everyone including family, out of her own will as far as he knew at that point), he can be a good parent(acknowledging her progress after the Zangya thing and encouraging her to keep trying despite her failing) and have a good relationship with Bra and still make mistakes (like bluntly and raging promising her he will kill her if she won't manage her issues when she was a little child) when a far more grave situation (her killing millions and goten after losing control) makes him fly into a rage, those are no contradictions.

To sum it up, my point wasn't that Vegetto was always portrayed as a monster who would kill Bra for simply failing his expectations in any way or just insulting him, he wasn't before the majin stuff and IMO he wasn't after. But he was portrayed as someone who has problems to keep his cool and not explode into anger in certain situations. And while he didn't in the situations you posted, the ones in which he did lose to anger are much more extrem situations and not really comparable to stuff like insults or failing to not kill your opponent, that will be resurrected, in a sanctioned duel. So it makes sense he would lose it in one situation and not the other.

While my original claim was about if Vegetto stayed consistent and not about his relationship to Bra, I think that the relationship also didn't do a 180. They were shown to have a pretty good relationship and care for each other, but that does not contradict Bra fearing a certain side of her father and him threatening to kill her as a child causing issues.
Same from the other side, Vegetto beeing willing to kill his daughter if she becomes another Broly, does not mean he does not care for her.

I think a major source of arguments in the comments is Vegetto getting called an abusive parent. For some that label conjures an image of an asshole beating up his children two times a week over nothing and them cowering in fear to not ignite his wrath for others an otherwise decent father with a decent relationship to his children slapping his daughter two times in anger, both times after she really fucked up(like injured her baby brother or neglected to watch out for him and he got hurt badly) is also an abusive parent. Yet there are miles between those two examples.
So when some who call him an abusive father have the second example in mind, which fits, and some who argue against it have the first example in mind, which doesn't fit, there is a massive disconnect.

I didn't have you or anyone particular in mind or thought about which side started it. It's been so often, both sides have started many, many times at this point. And Iam sure will in the future.

It would end the story line about the promised wish, that's true. And I feel that one is important for her character in the future and for U19 (and your favorite:) ) ofc. That's also probably why she will win. Why set up the story line with her fighting for the sake of others and then end it here. I do hope we see more of what Gast actually can do going all out. We only have seen him against much weaker opponents where he didn't need to or freaks like Broly where a direct fight wasn't an option. And maybe we get to know more about what exactly he did to Vegetto. If it's something he can do to every saiyan or if Vegetto is a special case because he is somewhat of a magical beeing.

It was shown that he got so mad at Gohan for talking back he wanted to kill him. Establishing his anger issues if things don't go his way. How is it a sudden twist/not forshadowed/out of character for him when we see him react later to Bra fucking up the way he did? That's exactly how you would expect him to react. 1 Replie(s)

No idea who said it last page, but it really is groundhog day in the comments everytime Bra is on panel.
It's the same arguments with the same points that have been brought up again and again for years now.
How goes the one insanity quote, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different outcome or somehting like that? It is literally that. Holy shit. This is gonna be a long chapter. 1 Replie(s)

I know it was a big deal for him and he was pissed and that he got himself under control and he did the best to disarm the situation when he noticed he was about to lose it.
All Iam saying is that it was hardly a sudden twist that, after he had to restrain himself to attack Gohan when Gohan just talked back to him while he was in a bad mood, he beat Bra to a pulp when he came back to see everybody massacred by her who, for all he knew at that point, took Babidis seal willingly for power. Or that he said to Bra he would kill her if she lost control again after her rampage as a kid.



By her own father who legit tried to kill her. After she was made to slaughter countless people, including her own family with her own hands and destroyed one of her most close and treasured relationship, the one with pan. Thats all pretty traumatic.



Vegeta killed less people and sacrificed himself. But he was also a grown aduld and father, took the seal out of his own free will to get his fight with Goku for petty ego reasons, killed those people out of his own free will to provoke Goku, was too proud to let Goku help him clean the up the mess he caused and just then sacrificed himself(and failed).
Then he came back and Goku had to do a whole song and dance to get him to fuse with him, he didn't even knew it was supposed to be permanent at that time, to clean up the mess he caused in the first place.
None of his loved ones gave him any shit or held resentment against him that he was willing to throw everything ,including their life, away for what's essentially a sparring match to please his ego.

Sure he got beat up two times and was dead for a day, but come on, it's not like Vegeta had to jump through any hoops to get everyone forgive him. Maybe Bra came of to easy, but so did Vegeta. 1 Replie(s)

Pan is not amused. Iam glad we gotta see those two interact some more. It's still kinda a legit strat to overcome the regeneration I guess.

No idea who I want to win. We have seen both in action, we have seen way more from Bra but she still has those new techniques. I would love to see Gast in a long, drawn out fight where he has to use magic too and I want to know what he actually did when he took Vegetto out of ssj3. As long as it's a good fight that gives a good showing of what those two can do, I don't really care who wins.

If I would have to guess, Bra is probably going to win to keep that promised wish story line going and Gast will do his wise sage thing to help her with her issues.



It was foreshadowed that Vegetto has his own issues and how he acts if things don't go his way. Like for example that he had to put distance between himself and Gohan because he had the urge to bash Gohans skull in just because Gohan told him he lost and he has to accept that. That twist didn't come suddenly. 2 Replie(s)

@ssj Harambe
>How rude!
Yeah my bad. Sorry Ashanark if you are still hanging around these days.

>Her first thought after Vegetto tells her off is that she surpassed Gohan, not that she killed Goten. The closest >thing we get to any remorse is her saying "it's not my fault." She comes off as selfish to the point of heartlessness, >which is fine if that's your angle, but...

It was not completely her fault. At least not in the sense a full grown aduld that is in control of himself would be. She was a child that got beaten to a pulp and got forced into a transformation she could not control. It also was her first time in that form, so it makes even more sense she got overwhelmed. The remorse thing, granted, that comes of as heartless. But I interpreted that the way she tried to win back her fathers favour after her fuckup by telling him she got stronger, something she knew Vegetto values greatly. A child logic, but that is what she was. And it's not like she didn't knew he would be revived shortly after, I think she would have felt a lot more remorse if it would be a permanent death. Like I said, the post had somewhat of a point, but keep in mind she was a child after a high pressure situation.


>... here, we have a conflict. Did she grow as a person? If so, we're back to the original question of "why insult >someone you showed no regret for killing."

She most certainly did. Nobody is the same at 16 as they are as little children. Why not? Siblings tease each other all the time. It was years ago. Goten didn't seem to care, so why not assume they reconciled and now have a normal sibling relationship. As would be expected after all this time.

>More to his point, if something is not explained, it can only be inferred by what's already known. Given that the >implications don't add up, behind-the-scenes rewrites sounds plausible. iirc Salad Gear even said the Majin arc was >rewritten, so we know that much.
It's all reading tea leaves at that point. The implications add up perfectly if you assume she got bettr since she was a kid, while still having problems as a Teen staying in control in certain situations.

>Bra doesn't read as a character whose mask slowly slips off, she reads as a character who changes every handful of >main chapters. I heard the novelization did a better job handling her, so it could just be an issue of poor execution >in a comic that's rushing to get pages out.
No she is not a character whose mask slowly slips off,true, but she never was. She always explosively lost control in certain triggering situations. So that was consistent at least. If it's bad or rushed writing for you, than you are welcome to your own opinion. everybody has different tastes.


>The way Majinization is portrayed in DBM is that it exacerbates hidden feelings
Na, Dabura was completely different person while under the spell which was the total opposite to his usual self. And even if your theory was true, what does it matter? The spell takes what is there and twists it into a different person and makes them follow their darkest impulses in a way they would never do while beeing themselves. Having dark impulses inside you does not make you an evil person, acting on them does. And she would not have acted on them, at least not like that, without beeing forced under the spell.

>but that doesn't work as well in context.
Could have been made a little more elgant, that is true.

>Gohan's transformation spoke to his hatred of evil. Bra's spoke to... how she wants to be the strongest god. Both were >children who became sadists, but for radically different reasons.
You are comparing Gohans first ssj2 tranformation with Bra's majin tranformation. In Bra's first ssj2 transformation she relished into inflicting pain on those who did so to her first. Arguably Gohan toyed more cruel with Cell then Bra did with her opponents. And Bra was younger than Gohan was against cell, and even if they both had problems with their temper, Bra was way less stable than Gohan. All things considered, while she did fuckup, she didn't that bad with that one.

>That's called Saiyan pride, something Bra threw out when she used her secret senzu following her self-handicap.
Saiyan pride is more often than not a thing of convenience. Vegeta had no problem with throwing sand in Zarbons eyes, do sneak attacks from behind or let Krillin mortally wound him to get a Zenkai. Wether it's Goku giving Cell a bean before his fight with Cell despite not knowing Gohan would actually be able to awaken his powers or Bra handicapping herself against Cold despite promising her wish to save a universe. At the end of the day it's risking everything for Ego all the same. 1 Replie(s)

While that is true ofc, imo Vegetto and Pan reacting the way they did, did fit into the story. 1 Replie(s)

That's no sweat. That's just Gast's chiseled, namekian Gigachad features.

More on topic, I think consequences after actions make for a much better story. Having Pan not forgive Bra until she earns her trust again and time takes the edge of the incident was great and I would prefer if she is not at the point to rebuild the bridge yet. If all the bitching and moaning about the end of the majin rebellion was the reason it got put into the story, that's very well worth it.
But I dont get how people bend over backwards to paint Bra as this uniquely terrible monster, that gets away scott-free after her deeds when consequences were never of any concern in DBZ. Sure Vegeta got beat up for a page or two and he was dead for a day, but none of his loved ones ever gave him any shit after his fuck-ups, which he did for the pettiest and most selfish reasons, double so if you consider he had responsibilities as a father and husband at some point. Vegetto wanting to kill Bra and Pan not forgiving her is already more consequences than Vegeta ever got from his loved ones. And Vegeta was always in full control of himself. 1 Replie(s)

The first post is insufferable. So desperately grasping at straws to find evidence that Bra does not care about her family that the best thing he can bring up is that she banter insults her brother years after she killed him accidentally during a life and death battle as a child. When we have on page evidence she does in fact care. To the point she broke down and was unable to fight when she hurt Gohan and Vegetto against Buu. Then a lot of cringe armchair psychology to guess the authors thoughts. Hilariously after stating he doesn't know the thoughts of the author, just to guess at them anyway to try to invalidate inconvenient evidence (Buu fight in space).

The second one has better points. The assumption that she was not mind controlled or that she let herself be controlled willingly does a lot of heavy lifting to establish her as a "dangerous mass murderer, who would destroy the universe with glee", tho. Which we know by now was not the case. She was mind controlled and she did not let herself be willingly be controlled for power.
The rest has somewhat of a point. But most of the more grave shit she did (killing Goten and planets full of people, and not thinking about the fate of the earth during training) she did as a little child, some of it as a child while fighting for her life and the first time using a transformation, ssj2, that has precedent to change the behavior to be more ruthless and reckless when Gohan used it against Cell. The other stuff is more or less just her beeing smug, arrogant and careless, but not more than people like Vegeta, Gotenks or even Gohan and Goku in certain situations.

Zamasu-bird honoring his inspiration by beeing a snitch and sticking his nose in matters that don't concern him

Goten may have been slacking off training, he didn't slack off getting bitches tho

I love Asura's take on a young nameless Namek with Piccolo Daimao as the base. Looks exactly how I would imagine Daimao would look in Toriyamas later DBZ style instead of the more cartoonish DB style.

That would be my guess as well. But assuming the former majins keep their majin power boost, Bardock is stronger than he was against Cold now. No idea by how much tho.

Yeah, it's absolutely in character considering the portrayal of the saiyan race in DBZ (before the Super retcon humanized them a great deal)

Why not just bring it up with the Birdpeople? They would probably gladly organize him some Senzus if they knew he needs them so desperately. He got to notice himself that he is getting thin-skinned and snapped at Trunks over nothing. 1 Replie(s)

They should use a wish to get Vegettos belly full, the dude is is on meltdown watch

Bro it's a joke. You acting like it's some outrageous 18+ gay porn tells a lot more about you than anything else.

Also calling the flimsy excuses to show Bulma naked again and again narrative reasons would be very generous even without the generous T&A panels everytime it happens lol

While it is exhaustion, he is probably riding some kind of post battle high and is all fired up. Since his birth he never had a fight that pushed him this much I would imagine.

Well thats convenient

Seems like that was giant waste of energy

You have no idea how old he is himself. Could be close in age to 16 and the creepiness is all in your head 1 Replie(s)

Looks like Vegetto is going all out with the killshot. This means probably he either finishes Buu off with it or he is so exhausted after, he is done himself.

Reestablishing one fact again after wiping the slate clean means nothing for the rest of the facts.
Anyway, now you just need some recent comments that Gohan is base Vegetto tier, or your whole math about 500 Gorillion Gohans still means nothing¯\(ツ)/¯



The burden of proof lies with those that make the claim.
Your source was comments by Salagir from over 10 years ago, Salagir said such things are absolutely not canon anymore. Ergo the comments you brought up as proof mean nothing. Not some of them are not canon anymore, they are all not canon anymore, he makes no exceptions in his statements. What else do you want?
If you want to make a point for your numbers, back it up with proof that was not explicitly said to be meaningsless by now. 1 Replie(s)

Same. SSJ2 was easily the best looking ssj form. Straight up more potent looking evolution of the original form with just enough subtle changes to make it look different but not too different.

The dirty trick was sucker punching him while pretending to have a bean break to regain energy and distracting him with throwing him a bean.



You are free to have your own headcanon.



It means as much as Krillin shooting a basic blast through Vegeta on Namek after he deliberately lowered his power, nothing.



He is not caught off guard in any of your examples. He is mid fight each time, face to the enemy expecting an attack. Best is Krillin kicking him from behind, but it's Krillin.
It did when Goku hit him with a Kamehameha in the face. If he had actually destroyed his nucleus during or after the attack, he would have killed him while beeing much weaker.
It's the same as his fight against Vegeta. Cell was much stronger than Goku, he showed his true power when he powered up angainst Gohan later, but fought on a comparable level to Goku for the heck of it and got caught off guard with a kamehameha to the face. Same with Vegeta. Vegeta powered up, caught Cell off-guard and finished him before he could raise his power. Vegeta also implied as much himself when he mockingly told Cell what Cell told him at the beginning of their fight, when he entered the arena in base instead of powered up.

Maybe Vegeta and Goku are stronger than Gohan and Cell with their hinted hidden power, but nothing we have seen till now is proof they are so in ssj3. 1 Replie(s)

Fuck yeah, awesome page

Parts of Buu get eradicated when they get hit by a technique especially created to destroy him. Physically, in hand to hand, Zen Buu's copy was matching a serious and enraged ssj2 Vegetto just fine.



This perfectly displayes why powerlevels with numbers and multiplicators suck in DBZ, Toriyama was wise to abandon them and I hope Salagir did too.
I agree that the copies don't seem to be all at equal strenght or are at least are matching it to their respective opponent tho. It doesn't feel right that the Buu that trades blows with Vegetto in ssj2 and the one that gets his head kicked of by ss3 King Vegeta are at the same power.

A classic move

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Btw is Cell still dead atm? Or did they change the resurrection time to after the match instead of after each round? 1 Replie(s)

She was clever to record it and got balls to try it, gonna give her that

Buu beeing reincarnated ist good evidence for him having a soul. Which kinda sounds wrong, as he is not only a demon, a real one unlike piccolo, but also an artificial, through magic created beeing. 1 Replie(s)

Strange that Buu didn't absorb Gast. Seems like a wasted opportunity on his part. On the other hand, he probably has enough magicans already and maybe he doesn't dare to try it because it's Gast and so he obliterates him to be sure.

Hmmm good question. I don't know if it has been confirmed if Buu actually has the abilities of the dragonballs, or if him fixing everything after the majin rebellion was "regular" magic, but if he has the abilities of the dragonballs he should be capable of pretty much everything, as the power of the dragonball is basically only limited by the power of their creator.

Even if not, he is a powerful magician with vast knowlege, seems possible that he would be able to do it if he has enough time and puts his mind into it. Especially if Gast would cooperate.

Seems kinda out of character for future Trunks of all people to complain about beating your enemies by all means necessary.

I hope the noble hero will prevail over those brutish thugs, go Buu!

Showing them how it's done demon king style. May be less effective on saiyans tho