Nah, in DBM canon this wouldn’t work. vegito / Buu I forgot which. Said that Magic doesn’t work on a fighter if they are thousands of times stronger than the magician. Broly would literally yell and then become immune to this.

Feels weird to see the spit work if Brolys aura normally just stops 99% of attacks barring carbonite in these comics XD

I figured even Buu transforming him wouldn't do anything with how it didn't effect Vegito or maybe get devilman in to explode the evil/vices in him! Then again if the bad ending needed to happen neither of those beams would work because they wanted to punch broly instead.

The mood in this comic is a roller coaster and it's not a good thing. It changes each page basically.

Like the king was this menacing figure and now he looks like Hercule. Nice SS4 Vegeta hair though, really like the design.

They explained that the king maintains a constant state of Ikari Mode. Don't think he is infected so much as he is roused by the idea of a fight.

BUT that doesn't mean what's happening here is entirely impossible, what annoys me is every time DBM comes up with something like this, they never bother showing and building up to the parts that NOT explain why but rather SHOW why...

I'm not against the way Gohan is acting, I do think it's possible he had a bit of a phase where he needed something or someone like Baby Trunks to make him motivated again.

I just think it's a bit extreme because he would never give up on those still alive, His Mother, Bulma, his grandfather.

I'm sorry to hear that those terrible things happened to you. I'd rather not talk about myself, but I've had my share of trauma as well, I think we all have, no matter the extent.

This is a story for Gohan, a journey that will eventually lead to him finding hope, which is a big theme in the Mirai timeline and throughout all of Dragon Ball.

This is also an early iteration of Gohan, he's not as strong as he will become later on. If he goes into battle right now, chances are that he's just going to get beaten up, and the people are going to die anyway. He's frustrated that all of his efforts are null. I don't understand why people can't grasp that concept. Frustration leads people to say and do things that are irrational in the moment. Dragon Ball Multiverse takes that idea to another level, it humanizes its characters, and that's a good thing, because it makes the story more interesting!

And at the end of the day, even though he's a fictional character, he's just a freaking kid!! Like, even if it were an adult, I don't see why anyone would blame them! But this is a kid we're talking about, a kid who's lost everything at that. If this were Goku, I would 100% with all of you, but this is Gohan we're talking about, Mirai Gohan at that, who's been established to be way different from our own.

Okay like, guys, this is not out of character for Gohan at all.

Imagine, [all this terrible stuff]

IDK about you guys, but I'd be pretty pissed too.

No. Not at all. All the other z-fighters made one fight, maybe several over a few days, and died. The end.

For several years...

What i don't understand, is that, right above: comparing the dread of years of future timeline to the usual fights of DB, with DBs in the pockets, as several comments pointed out.

Considering that Gohan being depressed is totally out of characters and even hating him for this... I just don't understand how you think.

I honestly think Bra would be motivated and angry. Gohan just misses his family and doesn't care for fighting. He never has been the type to care a lot about his strength where Bra is obsessed with how strong she is.

Oh yeah that's probably at the top, especially because when that page released wasn't Broly like, completely irrelevant to the story?
Then again, it's not like the future is relevant at this point either. I'd really think it was cool if one of the timelines we had was one where Future Gohan survived or something, then all of this wouldn't be wasted character development on a corpse.

Wasn't expecting that we'd get a new contender for the worst page in all of DBM with this special, but here we are, so let's go over a few things.

Why are so many people assuming Bojack is straight-up stupid?

ChrisOfChaos was saying: So even though Bujin helped them they still intended to kill him? I'm liking these girls progressively less and less. At least Goku gave villains a chance to live if they stopped causing trouble.

There's a few issues here though. Firstly, if they misjudge they're screwed...

Secondly, while WE know he's an alright guy, but they sure as hell don't...

Thirdly, Bojack slaughtered their people. If your defense at the Nuremberg trials was 'Sure he's a leader of the Nazi party.. but he's reforming!' I doubt you'd get very far...

I feel like they're not gonna let Buujin off the hook for having been on Bojack's side all this time."

[W]hy don’t they also lower Bujin’s power and kill him too? Bujin might’ve joined them, but he’s still a selfish mass murderer. Even if they drain Bujin’s power and lose against Bojack, Bojack would still kill (or at least try to) Bujin.

...Listen, this argument is not me vs you. It's you vs Salagir.

And so, this arc is over.
I feel disappointed in the conclusion, so I edited the last 3 pages a little bit to give you an alternative take on it.



And then you would have Bra as a character who has accepted death but would be proven wrong later in the story when she has to protect U16 against Vegetto and XXI.

I'm not an arguer, I'm not like that... Peace out, I've written the thesis I said I didn't want.

1, 2, & 4. Why is Bra unique, you ask? That's a question for the author, not me - you just have to accept that it's a fact in this comic.

3. That Vegetto's control issues don't bother you is a different point altogether from them existing.

5. Again - that she wasn't able to master it in her 16 years is just a creative decision of the author that you have to live with.

Honestly, I don't think I can add anything else to our conversation - I feel like I'm mostly trying to convince you that the events in the comic have actually taken place lol. Enjoy the rest of it, cheers

1. Gotta be honest dude - I can't reply to your comment seriously.

You're going on about how SS1 doesn't make you lose control, but those entire 2 chapters are literally all about Bra learning to not lose control while in SS1... If you can't understand that, then nothing I write will help you more than you re-reading those 2 chapters. It's just a fact in this comic.

2. Umm... I'm not mad at Vegetto lol. Vegetto is not doing something good right now. He's willingly trying to murder his daughter - that's far worse than anything Bra has willingly done.

3. No, Vegetto didn't control his feelings. He had to teleport away and have a temper tantrum - that's not control. Control is what Goku and Vegeta are doing. Just because he didn't take it out on someone until now doesn't mean he was in control. If someone's at home wailing on a pillow, it doesn't mean they're in control of their anger XD

Anakin willingly and consciously murdered innocent children, among others. Bra has never willingly killed anyone - she's either been in a beserker-trance and had no memory of what she did (like Gohan when he attacked Raditz), or was literally under someone's control (namely, Babidi's). There's no comparison between Anakin and Bra.

By the way, I'm not saying Bra is completely innocent - she's not. She has a responsibility to learn to control her powers. But, again - she's never willingly killed anyone (that we know of).

Disregard unless you want to have a legit conversation.

"More faith in your apprentice, you should have, Obi-Wan. Seduced by Palpatine, and the Dark Side of the Force, he was. The Dark Side changes you; You cannot be judged by what you do when affected by the Dark Side. Murder your adopted son, you should not".

"Don't you see? Anakin is sorry! He's calm now. He has complete control over himself!"

You have failed him as a father, and as a master. You KNOW he's always had self-control problems, yet have been impatient and frustrated. You have not given him the praise he needs, nor have you relied on others as you should have...

Albeit it's unnecessary given Bra's sins are nowhere near as bad as Vegeta's. The point you keep missing.

Wouldn't her sins be worse because she was supposed to be good from the start? While Vegeta was just being a bad guy because that's just how he came up?

1. That entire chapter is about how Bra didn't have control of SS1 at the time...

2. Bra wasn't revelling in killing Goten, she was revelling in reaching SS2. At worst, she was indifferent to killing Goten - and if so, she'd hardly be the first character to be indifferent about death because of the dragonballs existing (even Bulma has been shown to be).

3. Vegetto has definitely not been stable throughout this comic... We've seen that he has trouble controlling his emotions...

4. If that's your opinion, sure - I just don't share it.

1 & 2. Because she's not a villain. Anyone she's ever killed, she killed by accident.

Vegeta has murdered many and enjoyed doing it.

3. Bra was raised by an unstable person, and that rubbed off on her. Compare her to her U18 counterpart who was raised by stable people. Besides - being raised by nice people doesn't automatically mean you're not going to have problems. Good people can still create spoiled monsters.

4. A few things here
— Being the poster character for a series doesn't automatically make them a nice person

— We don't know that she's Salagir's favourite character
— Even if she is Salagir's favourite character, that also doesn't make her a nice person

It's not even comparable. Some of you clearly dislike Bra for reasons other than what your claiming. Otherwise you'd hate Vegeta all the more...

I think people taking this a little bit harder than they should.
I mean... Even TFS made a joke about people constantly dying till Krillin says.... "Hey... Dragon balls".

Forgiving Bra isn’t that strange when they forgave Vegeta for killing hundreds when he was taken over by Babadi. And don’t give me any of that “She killed Gohan!” when this is still called Dragon Ball. Death is a vacation.

And what is up with the dozens of comments overly criticizing the translation? Could you guys be any more nitpicky?

@Meister Kleister : FYI, based on some of the other translations, what Vegetto said in the last panel might better be translated to something like: "Even my little Bra can't reach a tenth of my level. No one in any universe can."

This error it my full choice (it may not be a good one, but it's on purpose and not the fault of the english translators ^^).

Here is the discussion that happened between me and my proodreaders:
(Context: He changes "can" to "is" and I say no.)
npberryhill:
This sentence is incomplete. No one in any universe can... can what? That's why I changed it to "is" previously. But I think it can be fixed by changing the previous sentence slightly so it's a direct response the way I think you want. "Even my little Bra can't come close to a tenth of my level." That would make the second sentence work fine I think.
Salagir:
The french version contains the same "error".
The 2 sentences don't fit perfectly with each others: Yes. It's talk. He doesn't prepare his text in advance... It doesn't need to be all calculated and perfectly fitting.
He modify his "argumentation" over time. First, he says she is not strong enough. Then, he adds that well, no one can be that strong enough anyway.
npberryhill:
Okay, cool. I agree we should strive to be as close to the original as possible. Well, if I can, let me suggest we add one word to the end of the second sentence then? "No one in any universe can be." It's small, I don't think it changes meaning, only fixes.
(I still refused, cause i'm a troll)

@Fionordequester
Good post. Short but sweet. Those minicomics are very telling.

Watch as this thread turns into "Mary Sue! Obvious favorite! No sympathy! Let her die!" and then people pretending ignoring that they're favorite Vegeta did much worse than Bra in his life and none of them want him dead. Hmmm, I wonder what the main difference between Vegeta and Bra is? Why would people excuse Vegeta but not Bra, the 16-year old teenage girl?

Fionordequester was saying: ...You wanted his control, so that's why you never obeyed him...? Huh?

Referring to when vegeta (one half of vegito) purposefully came under the control of babidi to surpass Goku in the Buu Arc as Majin Vegeta.

P.S: I'd also question the usage of the word retcon. You can't "retcon" something that's not even been firmly established, and while the narrative is still unraveling. Unless we also want to think Dragon Ball was a giant, constant retcon, given the existence of an author constantly writing off the edge of his seat...

Vegetto found the location of the new planet Namek. He went to Mori, the leader of what were probably the wisest people in the universe. The old Namekian drank only water, but still had tea ready for Vegetto. The two went inside before speaking, so as to avoid gossip from eavesdroppers. They spoke about the farmers of Last Hope for a time, then got to the heart of the matter.

“What would be the trouble of having one more child?” Mori asked.

“It's dangerous.” said Vegetto.

"But you said your other sons can already destroy planets by the thousands. How would this child be different?

“I can easily stop my other children. But a son I brought into the world myself... Saiyan children usually overpower their parents; Especially in my family.”

“So, what you actually fear is this: That your child could lose control, destroy the universe, and you couldn't do anything about it.”

“Yes.”

“But why would your son do such a thing? Do you fear his adolescence so much?"

“Well... First of all, Saiyans are violent; it's in their nature. They were like that even before Freeza... If you were to compare a normal Saiyan with any other race in the universe, you'd find him very cruel indeed. A rabid dog, were no one to hold him back.”

“But not your children.”

“Not Goku & Vegeta's children."

“But isn't one's upbringing more important than genetics? Gokû and Piccolo Daimao are convincing examples.”

“Maybe... But maybe we were lucky.”

“Hm...”

The Namekian was thinking... Trying to look at the problem from the right perspective. Education wasn't the problem, no, it was something else. Why did Vegetto foresee a dark future? Gokû was happy as could be, and even Vegeta wasn't this cynical... Vegetto's attitude was strange. The Kaioshins hadn't hammered responsibility that hard into his head. It seemed odd for such a powerful warrior to be this impressionable.

“Why would your child destroy the universe? Even saiyans don't destroy planets for the fun of it. Besides, ruling the universe is quite meaningless...”

“There were people who wanted to do it...”

“People... like you?”

Mori had found it.

“I thought about it.”

“Why?”

“I'm bored. I'll never find someone to challenge me. At times, I just want to leave everything. To mess around... But I won't."

“That thought only crossed your mind. You don't have to worry about your future.”

“Of course. I like my family, I'm sane, I'm calm... I would never be a threat.”

“But if that idea were to cross your son's mind..."

“Exactly. If I'm thinking it, it's possible he will too.”

“If you can control yourself, why couldn't he?”

“I had impulses. And some of them almost destroyed the universe. Vegeta is to blame for Perfect Cell creation, as well as Buu's resurrection... And when we go super saiyan, we are closer to our primal state... Strange ideas cross our mind... Especially when we do it for the first time. I'm very powerful, but I'm old too. I was born with 60 years of experience and good morals. When my son becomes super saiyan, he'd be less prepared. The peaceful Gokû became violent when he turned super saiyan, and so did Vegeta. He would've destroyed Freeza's entire empire; His rival and the cyborgs just happened to be higher priorities. With MY strength, however, they could have destroyed the planet just by pure accident."

“Once again, you were pure Saiyans. Your three sons hadn't shown such symptoms when they became super saiyans.”

“True, but Super Saiyan 2 could do it. Gohan completely changed during his first time.”

The chief of the Namekians fell silent again to think and to get in thoughts in order.

“You're just giving excuses.”

“I'm sorry?”

“Even if your offspring were to lose his mind, he'd remain your son. And he'd remain less powerful than you for a long while... You'd make him see reason. Your son isn't the problem; You are.”

“But I just told you that...”

“... that you can control yourself. But you fear that someday, you'll fail. There's a dark side in you, and you're afraid. You think your son will have it too.”

“I'm the problem?”

“Much more than your son would be. Maybe your son will have to bring you to heel.”

“...”

Literally who thought this shitshow of a battle was a good idea.

misi was saying: Fionordequester was saying: So the problem isn't that it's too gory, the problem is that something awful is happening to someone you like. Is that about the sum of it?

Not even close. The problem is that it sticks out like a sour thumb because you wouldn't see it in DB or DBZ. Doesn't matter if it's Piccolo, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, Trunks... heck, or Chichi.

عمار was saying: misi was saying: really, I dare anyone to show me the scenes with Vegeta's exploding intestines, or Goku's ribcage being torn out. It's just not how Dbz did things. And because of that, of course it sticks out to some of us. It's not about us not being able to take it - who cares, it's just a fanmanga.
Not exactly Goku or Vegeta (or Gohan, or Piccolo) being mushed up, is it? Do we really have to go into the difference between a monster creature that grew out of the ground (Saibaman) or a 100% robot character who we only seen in that particular saga and seeing the insides being blown up of a main character? It's not that complex. Bottom line is: DB or DBZ would never show Gohan or Piccolo like that. Simple as.

I wish the reveal was a bit more subtle than this, but ok

For kids who are bra, yes you do. Might makes power. Power makes control.

Well there is obviously something missing (box or drawing) to better present the action of this page since most people have not understood it.

I thought that the box 1 would be enough to make understand the position of Bra compared to the other characters (roughly between the 2 groups but at a certain distance).
In box 2, Bra does the same tactic as against Cold, she begins her attack and teleports. Box 3 just shows where it starts to reappear.

Shabby was saying:
Son Bra needs two senzus to heal. That's why she eats two here. It's not because Piccolo has two senzus.
https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-280.html

@Fionordequester

While I agree that she hasn't shown any kinder or humbler traits yet, I think she'll become kinder either after this, or at least closer to the end of the tournament. However she'll still be a bit of an ass because that's just the kind of personality she has.

As for her facing consequences, I don't see it as a problem if she doesn't. Besides, everything that's happened so far doesn't warrent any more punishment than she's already gotten...

Even in this fight here, I don't see any consequences that need to be applied to any flaws. She got tainted by Babidi and is doing this half against her free will...

If anything, and I realise I'll get a lot of hate for this, I'm hating and rooting against Goku. Every time, without fail, in DB, DBZ, DBS, and DBM, Goku always wins against an opponent (Eventually).

Yikes. I've seen the comments section be dicey before, but this is something else completely. I think in the last 50 comments, only 2-3 were actually positive.

@This fight

Bra' character and Bad Writing

I love majin bra but I feel like the hit should of connected and knocked the sense out of her mouth or something

Plus shouldn't babdi be running out of air by now ??

I'm pretty sure you guys are ignoring a big fact: Initial 13 story was written so long ago, the current artist/atuhor of this short special might have done some small changes.