Will either of these vegeta’s, for the love of god, take advantage of their free hand. Look at the namekian u13 vegeta. Look at the very clear opening. Look at what your other hand is doing.

And your powering up while yelling dominate.

…

I’m beginning to see why frieza wanted to wipe out the saiyans.

On another note, expected vegeta to make the save, I think the damage is just about right. It’s not a max out attack of a final move and it was intended for pan. You have to wonder if u13 vegeta just cheated somehow on his power gains for each transformation because he is a clear distant to vegeta’s form. He might even be weaker then gotenks ssj3.

BlackCat was saying: Vegeta is going to win

Looks like another loss for Vegeta after Vegeta wins this.

Oh no, it seems planet Namek has joined the Eurozone.

I meant planet Keman. Keman is Namek backwards. Zomg.

Omg is this dirty fireworks!? Wasn't expecting to see that

No way this ends in U13 Vegeta getting cut up by Pan lol. It seems our Vegeta is indeed a better fighter given his major handicap.

I think Pan is experiencing what it feels like to be her grandfather ... her other grandfather. Haha.
I love and admire her dedication though. That's exactly what you'd expect from the next-gen Z-Fighters.

"Hey Vegeta. Stop hitting yourself"

I dont really like the new Kienzan meta. Not very Dragon Ball.

I was expecting the Tio-Ken.

Meta analysis, I really don’t think this will kill U13 Vegeta, it would be way too easy if it worked that way. Betting this just injures him at most.

what is this dialogue ...
also, did u13 veg not follow along with his threat to target the Namek after all, fight would be over already

Where are U13 Vegeta's goons? I bet evil Goku would love to get his vengeance on little Pan. This scenario is like when Teen Gohan had his advantage in power taken away from Cell via his blast upon his return immobilizing his arm; this effectively put Gohan on the backfoot until Vegeta's intervention in the final last struggle. Vegeta (18) is not winning in this fight unless he gets more mobile namek space, ie more space to fight in the namek bubble, as well as securing the safety of his two compatriots.

Hopefully for our Vegeta, his lighting aura will attract others, good or bad, to his spot via light illuminating outward.

Kaio K was saying: Even though his movements are restricted to a large degree, Vegeta should’ve IT and one-shotted this fraud

Oh my, I can see this getting tiring as this goes on. It must have been answered like 6 times already..

They can't use IT. Ki can't be sensed beyond their bubbles. Goku stateed this, and it was to nerf IT in these situations.

Anyways, I think I can see where this is going. U13 gets the upper hand, makes some "see your need to protect those you love makes you weak" speech, and U18 saying "actually it makes me stronger" before doing something to finish off U13 Vegeta.

Magic beans is the oldest scam in the book

Philsdesign was saying: LMAO was saying: iron leaf was saying:

LMAO was saying: Gotta say U13 Vegeta having this sheepish reaction over a "ask who loves him" question is completely out of character for saiyan/Freeza saga Vegeta, while he definetely would've said something like he did in the second panel he wouldn't look flustered at all doing so, he would have a unwavering confidence on his own words and considering his status as emperor of his own universe far more so than he did back at the saiyan saga. Well, then it's a good thing that this is DBM-Arc Vegeta and not Saiyan-Arc Vegeta. Besides, we have already seen U13 Vegeta behave this way, also because of a comment made by Pan (Page 1352).

Disagree, it was a mischaracterization in that direction then too but a smaller one and there it made more sense since there he knew he was outnumbered and outclassed, here he believes he is on top.

Salagir did get post Boo arc Vegeta right with U18's though, but U13 Vegeta should be saiyan/Freeza saga Vegeta that won and that Vegeta isn't a character that would do silly gags like this one. Wasted opportunity to not show that ruthless Vegeta in all his glory and to give him a good character moment when he realises he is wrong specially since in the novel U13 Vegeta was intrigued by U18 Vegeta's lifestyle and personal choices which would hit the same point in the end (that deep down U13 Vegeta is dissatisfied with his life) without mischaracterizing him.

Oh well it is his story, if he wants to throw away potentially good stories for a silly gag it is his call.

Not really, U18 Vegeta had an obsession with getting stronger and inferiority complex, first due to living under Frieza's boot and then by Goku surpassing him. He didn't start to change until after Goku died and he basically lost his goal (after Cell died he even outright said he didn't want to fight anymore). During that time of peace he started opening up and bonding with his family

This Vegeta will have had literal decades of being the undisputed strongest in the universe. He fulfilled all his goals and has no higher purpose left for years now, meaning he will be dissatisfied with his life since he no longer has a goal or purpose and is all alone with no real bonds or connections (in the end these 2 Vegeta's are still the same, it's just how their lives would go depending on Goku hitting his head or not). So if one mellowed out and started seeking connections when losing his life's purpose it stands to reason the other one would to


What you wrote in your first paragraph is mostly right in the second one it goes way deeper than that, Vegeta was a slave and since he was a child he had Freeza's life philosophy drilled onto him "the strong dominates and the weak is dominated. Power is everything" in universe 13 he is still living by it so in a manner of speaking he is still a slave. Seeing what someone who has the exact same mold he has but is finally free could achieve not only a better result regarding said philosophy of power is everything but clearly a extra satisfaction with life that he lacks in spite of him having everything he was raised to want, would show him that he doesn't need to be Freeza 2.0 which would be a good character moment for him instead of downplaying the whole thing with a TLDR plus silly gag.

Unfortunately the original Vegeta's character arc conclusion was too rushed in DBZ since Toriyama wanted to finish the series and move on with his life so yeah... Wasted opportunity.

U13 vegeta is about to give U18 vegeta belt… i bet without ssjn they are even and this vegeta seems to have more dawg in him than U18 vegeta

also, idk why they think talk no jutsu works on U13 vegeta

Your nickel was saying: Well in the novel, U18 Vegeta flexed his SSJ2 and showed it was a match for U13 Vegeta's SSJ3, so I'm not sure why U13 thinks he has a chance here. He arrogant, but Vegeta's never been totally blind to his opponent's power.

I mean XXI did say the smoke gave him a powerup.

Even still, if U18 Vegeta's SSJ2 matches U13's SSJ3 I can't see it being a match. U18 Vegeta probably won't even bother transforming into SSJ3

U13 Vegeta is delusional. He has to know that U18 Vegeta is stronger than him in EVERY form. This was proven in the tournament as well as their confrontation on the asteroid during the Majin rebellion. He still hasn't figured out that his U18 counterpart is bound to the Namek. He is not very sharp.

On the other hand, regardless of strength, U18 Vegeta is severly compromised in his movements. This has been stated multiple times. I'm curious to see how he overcomes this limitation. Whatever fighting strategy he employs could also be used by the others. I personally think that the mini Cells (after learning the bubble technique) would come in really clutch here.

I must be dumb because I have no clue who U13 Vegeta is pertaining to when he says "Even Blondie gave you a smack down". Who is he referring to?

I'd like to see Evilgeta's temporary ahh SSJ3 trying to engage unserious SSJ2 Goodgeta

U13 Vegeta: Why do you need people to love you when you know the person who loves you the most is always yourself?

Seriously, for people living on their ego, the least they care about is how others think of them.

Which Vegeta is going to cry ? Place your bets !

Silly 18. XXI already shared himself with you. He knows what's going on already.

Females was saying: I wanna see Vegeta one shot her while she attempts to run away.

I foresee a repeat of Android 19 about to happen.

People saying here He changed but he never did,
It was a show and he was the most powerful mortal man, He always loved people/dogs and helped those in need(like Goku)

People did theorize how 18 was possibly gonna come to their shelter and scout for XXI, but luckily Vegeta is smarter than to let that happen.
I was hoping something like this happened, very nice

iron leaf was saying: Above all, I am always struck by why U18 #18 in particular has aged noticeably since the Cell arc, whereas U14 #18 looks almost identical to when she was introduced, especially since she is wearing the same clothes.

I like to think that present 18 was incomplete compared to her future self, in a sense

Im still wondering what changed him to douchebag from DBZ :]

UltraExtream was saying: Yes this is the tournament grounds.
It's not.

PkMario was saying: Goku did you forget you can teleport again?
He needs to feel an energy to lock into. In a few pages, he will say that when separated by a lot of "frozen", you can't sense energy. Same pb with Bra.

Justanotherturtle was saying: So only Namekians can perform this technique. They're not even going to try teaching anyone else. Weird.
Because only Namekians can perform this technique. You need their antennas.

Justanotherturtle was saying: It is a little disappointing that the last chapter, a XXI origin story, didn't even explain the origin of XXI.
Next flashback will be about XXI too. But if by "origins" you want to know how he was born, i can tell you right now: it's a universal bug.

About my gimmicks, too bad you don't like them. But I'll continue to do them.

I wonder if we'll actually get to see some spectators fight. Otherwise they're kind of a liability to free right now.

Piccolo needs to fuse with himself, the namekians, and Gast. Then they can defeat XXI and then just use the dragon balls to reverse the merger. Easy peasy.

ZenBuu was saying: Bra looks a bit older here. With her hair down, she looks a lot like Bulma, who also looks notably older in this picture.
I was wondering why they had a female Trunks there.

仅是剑客 was saying: Emmmm, U13 Vegeta's taste on women is a real disgrace for the prince of 3 Saiyans
can't draw him baddies better than bulma because crime doesn't pay but tbh statistically if he controls the entire galaxy he would he should surrounded by 10s and maybe they are the best looking from each planet. But then again he is a saiyan he probably cares more about his personal chef and poison testers because besides his own ego who is he trying to impress? the 3 stooges?

he tolerates curly , hates moe and can't kill Larry.

also like that old artwork by asura really looks like really cool other story idea

I think people really overrated Coolers power level, mathematically or not.
He couldn't keep pace with Goku prior to transforming nor could he even hurt SSJ Goku after the latter transformed.
Frieza did better in both instances
Even if you factor in the zenkai boost from the eye beams and senzu bean, Goku wouldn't have been all that much stronger than on Namek.
I'm not going against your story but feat wise, Cooler wasn't that much more impressive than if 100% Frieza had fought Goku.

Super Namek Piccolo was saying: Very disappointing and weak storytelling.

My only qualm with the story so far is why XXI would seal away the Elder Kai instead of just consuming him like everything else.

Nassif9000 was saying: meanwhile in universe 5:

Long ago, in a distant land
I, XXI, the shapeshifting master of darkness
unleashed an unspeakable evil
but a foolish kaioshin warrior, wielding a magic sword
came forth to oppose me...

Samurai Jack. Easily one of the greatest shows ever made.

— --

This story kind of reminds me of Tapion the Great. In fact, this creature isn't really too different from Hirudegarn - it just operates on a larger scale.

Go down to biography, and read the first three sentences of the background:

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Hirudegarn

— --

The last two lines of the verse are interesting. The meaning can change depending on who "He" is, in the second to last sentence, and what "it" is referring to. I'm not sure if it's talking about the Kaoishin and the sword, or if it's talking about XXI.

DrewSaga was saying: Well, I know XXI doesn't feel anything like a Dragon Ball character.True. However, I appreciate the different approach to the main villain. An entity that devours everything in its path due to its hunger. Buu was an essence of pure chaos and evil. Cell was a fighter who wanted to test his limits. Freeza was a ruler who wanted to control everything. Etc.


DrewSaga was saying: Yeah, this guy is weaker than Majin Buu? How? This seems like he'd be SSJ Vegetto level at least. Let's not forget how Freeza destroyed Planet Plant. In his first form, with a single finger, while sitting provocatively in his hover chair.

Both Kid Buu and Freeza can casually blow up entire planets. We rarely see such a feat in DB, but that doesn't mean characters like the cyborgs, Cell, Dabura, etc. wouldn't be capable of it. As long as you're stronger than 1st form Frieza, something like that (as much as it sounds unfortunate on a narrative level) shouldn't pose much of a problem in wiping out an entire civilization.

Also, can we talk about the fact that this poem rhymes across different languages? Hats off to the translators, it's not an easy thing to do

Farewell, unicorn people. Just one page (yet) in a fan manga to show the danger of the antagonist, and yet they feel very Dragon Ball-esque. The clothing draws strong references to the Kaioshin. Beyond that, I love the architecture of this race. A mix of a little bit fantasy aspects blended with a highly modern society. And the darkness that spreads across the image adds a lot to the apocalyptic atmosphere.

My hypothesis is that the Core People, aka Kaioshin, are one of the few remaining races that survived the original mass extinction of species caused by XXI. This effectively made them the most powerful and wisest beings in the universe. It also motivated them to take on a stronger role as protectors and observers of life in the universe.
(Headcanon, since in the DB/M continuity, the Kaioshin were introduced as gods from the beginning and did not have to acquire this role or work towards it).

I dunno, for a guy "not as tough as Buu" he seems pretty powerful...

lol for a sec I read 'joyless' as 'jobless'.
But serious, that is sick art. Almost reminds me of the Black Winter from Marvel. Almost.

Oh so XXI's backstory is just the old Majin Buu origin? You know, evil being born out of chaos when universe was young.

Where the F is Shin.

Shin would have known that someone had found Buu's egg.

"This huge egg we dug up is leaking pink gas."

You guys think Gero found Buu?

Wait, this is supposed to be Mr. Satan? His arms aren't hairy.

Koshej was saying: One thing annoys me all the way back to Robocop:
How can you "add behavioral directives" to an actual human mind that stays human?
Murphy had his brain fully intact, so how could anyone install "programming" into it, without cancelling out it being actually "his" and "human"?
And the same question goes for 17/18, and for everyone on this page - all of them are "human minds inside robotic bodies".
How can anyone "program" it?
Fiction is fiction, but sometimes it's better to admit that a certain idea is just DUMB.
Now, on-topic:
If we assume that all of these guys are "Murphys", then they are villains who actively helped a tyrant and should be punished for it.
Or we must assume they were "forced" to do it, but then how can we call them "humans" to begin with?
It really looks like an unresolvable dilemma to me, loool.
With the right signal manipulation in the brain you can force certain actions to be taken even against one's will and if you know what your doing you can even make it so they believe it is their own will. But that's from my limited understanding of the human brain and electrical signals in the brain. It just the way we are wired that makes us believe we have free will when we have some level of preprogrammed thought process from birth. Though like I said this is just from my understanding of the brain.

Thorn is smarter than Gero because why not. Maybe he should build his own SSJ3 tier androids lol.

mulled_piss was saying: imagine shouting your technique before using it, oh wait
also only villains use eye/mouth beam, mr.Gast you have to be more dignified than that
Tell that to Piccolo and Gotenks.

Considering he keeps his body when he dies...it's not just that Goku died which makes this tragic for Gohan. It's that Goku died young, meaning whatever reason, it was likely abrupt and painful.

What is already forgotten?

Nice, they’ve done Cell justice here. He blocked SSJ3’s final flash with his perfect barriere with not too much trouble, and Piccolo confirms that even in his SSJ3 he would be a goner if that barrier hit Vegeta. Vegeta defeated Cell here only because plots wanted it, power wise Cell is superior.

All things considered, I enjoyed this a lot more than the comic version. I still would've liked to see a no-bars fight between SSJ3 Vegeta and Cell (like Goku got against Uub), but the characterization in the novel gave this fight a lot more context. It didn't feel like Vegeta wasn't taking the fight seriously here; on the contrary, he had to get closure for his history with Cell.

isnt veegeta considered enemy? why are they welcoming him

iron leaf was saying: Northeal was saying: At the very least I like that this shows a flaw in Vegeta as a person. U18 Vegeta feels a bit too perfect too. Not that he's literally perfect, but that the narrative kind of bends over to make him as cool and unchallenged as possible. At least here we get an example of him being in the wrong and people calling him out. You're speaking from my heart here.

I've noticed for a long time how DBM almost always portrays (Post-EoZ) Vegeta in the best possible light. As if he were perfect. As if there was a Vegeta-fanboy behind Salagir, threatening him with a gun if Vegeta isn't portrayed as perfectly as possible. People argue that the author bend over to make Son Bra look better, but no one talks about how the same author does exactly the same thing to Vegeta (in 95% of his scenes).

I completely disagree. There is nothing in DBM that portrays Vegeta unfairly "better" than others.

Vegeta only seems "perfect" because the story is benefiting from him already completing his story arc from the original Manga, where he let's go of his own pride to truly be an earthling. Outside of his fights, he actually doesn't do really anything so grand of note at all, aside of small character moments, and assisting everyone else with fighting off Super Buu both times.

In his fights, he confronted his own past and recognized that without everyone else he would've turned out worse off. If it weren't for Frieza, he would've stayed a pathetic and arrogant weakling playing at being a king, and if it weren't for Goku & co., he would've been a tyrannical genocider terrorizing the universe. Page 89

He shows pride in his son from universe 12 for finding a way to utilize both Super Saiyan and Grade 2 in order to keep up with him briefly.

He originally asked Pan to forfeit her match just so he could fight Kakarot himself, only to immediately change his mind in order to push her to break her limits. page 579

When he fought Cell, who was stronger than him, he had use actual tactics to come out on top. He took advantage of Cell's own arrogance fighting at his level to kill him swiftly(For his daughter btw).

When he fought Goku, it was their ultimate culmination of growth in their neverending quest to be stronger than they were yesterday. And he ended up losing that fight anyway, even after getting a second wind. And what did he do after? Praised Goku's performance in their battle.

If anything, Vegeta has been portrayed as giving everyone else reverance, which is quite consistent to his change, and how how he really should be which I have to give the writers props for keeping so consistent.

Now Bra, is literally written to be special by the fact she is the daughter of Vegito. She can basically do everything Vegito can except level 3, use Supreme kai IT, take on 3 mystic Gohan tiers, plus more at the same time, wins her handicap against Ginyu Cold, not by her own skill, but by senzu cop out(and in the majin rebellion too). She doesn't even lose in the tournament. She gives up, and says she did it for nothing later.

She has also been excused multiple times for her own mistakes time and time again from other characters, some of which she killed, instead of her truly being held accountable, just because she was "under control",and then they blamed Vegito instead.

Heck, go read Ashanark's comments from the after the Majin rebellion if you want my feelings on it, because I truly believe he sums it up perfectly. You will have to scroll through comments on the actual pages since his actual profile says he's been banned. In comparison, after every feat Vegeta(and Goku for that matter) pull off, there is usually a line or two right after talking about how they still aren't as good as Bra or Vegito to prop them up even more.

To summarize: No, Vegeta and Son Bra are not being treated the exact same, not even 5% of the time imho.

Daiko was saying: RetroOVER9000 was saying: I'm going to smash that X to doubt that either of the Gohans are stronger than Vegeta.Salagir for some reason likes to put hard limits on stuff. The strongest Super Saiyan can't surpass the weakest Super Saiyan 2 for example unless they're a fusion or a child of a fusion because then their "potential" is higher. Gohan has always had higher potential than both Goku and Vegeta and he had that unlocked so unless Salagir changed his mind, I doubt this will change.

ZenBuu was saying: Also a Cell, who held back massively against Vegeta to get another Zenkai boost and who fell victim to his own arrogance.Is that in the actual comic and I just forgot or was that novelization stuff?

I believe it's implied when Gohan says he is as strong or maybe even stronger than he is, since if that's the case SS2 probably wouldn't be close to him at full power. The novel further says Gohan straight up couldn't take him down in their fight, and not just because of the majin boost. Also the mods have a habit of not leaving anything up to speculation so it's safe to say that it's true.

Bra has no idea who she's messing with. You can see it on Goku's face. He's clearly not worried for Vegeta in the slightest. Can't wait to see Bra be forced to watch our Goku and Vegeta take down Vegito and put her in her place.

Andy was saying: Guys, I think XXI might be evil - South Kaioshoin probably

It would be both the funniest and most infuriating thing in the world if South Kai STILL didn't think XXI was evil. "He was still following the rules, unlike those dasterdly monsters from Universe 9"

I absolutely LOVE Vegeta's attitude here. I'm sure he saw the fight with Gast. Taking on XII would be a tall order for him (he often prefers to fight alone). But he is surrounded by many capable allies here. I can't wait for that showdown.

Also I sense a growing frustration with XII's group towards him. However, they would do well to keep in line since they are at his mercy. Looks like Vegetto really screwed things up for XII.

Generally speaking, inter-universal travel can be a double edged sword. On the one hand there is the possibility conquest. But there is also the chance of encountering individuals that are far more powerful or capable. Imagine another version of XXI with a more powerful dragon! I wonder if he got his wish, if he would go to U4? My bet is that he would leave Zen Buu alone.

Looking at this page, I'm trying to piece together the sequence of events. Maybe you guys can help me. I'm guessing this all happened in a split second.

1. XXI makes his wish from U1 Porunga
2. Vegetto/Gast attack him
3. XXI's stomach explodes. Cue spikes.
4. Life Freeze applied

So my questions are:

Who applied the Life Freeze, XXI or South Kai? Because XXI seemed to be caught off guard when he was attacked. It seems like the Spikes came flying out just as the Life Freeze happened.

Didn't the wish happen instantly? Or does Porunga have to be given the time to respond "This wish is granted" (or similar) for it to happen? He clearly made his wish. Others heard it. And so far it appears that it has not been granted, so will he have to use a 2nd one to make it happen again?

Interesting... I wonder if they find one of XXI's dragon balls and believe it is the one from U1 when it isn't.

Nice! So Piccolo actually heard what XXI asked Porunga too. I thought he didn't hear it because he didn't say anything until now.

And Geetz is right. Beside avenging their dead families, it's pointless to run from XXI. If he somehow manages to take control of Vargas technology (everything is destroyed, but he can use that evil Varga subordinate to infiltrate U1), then he can travel the multiverse without the need for dragon balls. So it's best to go to war with him now in this universe, instead of going home and waiting for him to bring the war to your home universe.

It sure is a sign of masterful storytelling when you need to have a character say out loud that they're explaining the story for the readers.