Dante was saying: Lovely. Place your bets: Bejita vs Cell, who wins?

Definitely Vegeta.
Although I loved Cell's character in DBM and he's probably the only fighter in the top 8 that actually struggle to get there and had to think outside the box, there is no way he can win a Vegeta that more or less at his level 20 years and has never stopped training. Even if Cell was at his same level,I think the ace up his sleeve Vegeta has is the SSJ3 transformation so... yeah,Cell will lose the fight.

Wait, is this an April fools joke? Really. You got my hopes up for this?

Not what I was expecting. Luckily I can always translate the French version to get the real chapter 151, but this was amusing at best. Just wish it was set up better to introduce itself as a joke, not as a legitimate continuation of the majin revolt.

So that's where Bardock's vision will come true. As suggested on the cover, Goku, Vegeta and Gohan will meet Broly. Then Goku and Vegeta will fuse into Vegetto, but he'll be very pissed that everything's been ruined, so he will grab Gohan by the neck and shout "I'll kill you all if I have to!!", I'm telling you guys, that's exactly what's about to happen, very very soon.

JoneDon was saying: MysticVegito was saying: Goku, wth are you doing?! Make an IT link and teleport your family to King Kai or on New Namek! This is literally Kid Buu situation here, port everyone from that damn island to those planets, for Kami sake!

First of all, I don’t even think King Kai has his planet at this point in time since it was blown up during Cell saga.
Second of all, Have you forgotten that it’s 10x gravity? If he goes there with his family, Chi Chi could die.
Third of all, to transport to New Namek, Goku had to go to King Kai’s planet first so that he could located it which if you’ve read point 1 and 2, is impossible.

Well he doesn't need to go to their planet just to where king kai is. If he's not on his planet like in super then he's on grand kai planet.

Goku, wth are you doing?! Make an IT link and teleport your family to King Kai or on New Namek! This is literally Kid Buu situation here, port everyone from that damn island to those planets, for Kami sake!

Can't he just... Teleport to Namek and wish everyone back? Why tf are they all acting like this?

GODkuChad was saying: Oy Veygeta was saying: Totally ooc for Gohan to say that to post-Buu Vegeta.
I wouldn't say its out of character for Gohan. He only ever gets serious when someone he cares about is in danger. If he was the only one standing there, he'd be doing his goof ball sthick with his glasses fogged up or something. A repentant Vegeta wouldn't dare to throw a ki blast towards a child. In the Super manga, he goes out of his way to try and reconcile with the Namekians for what he did many years prior.


Eldagusto was saying: I love how Goku doesn’t care about his granddaughter or son and his son Cucks him out of coolness.
Goku does care. What he says in this page is in reference to what Vegeta did. He wasn't expecting him to fire a ki blast at his family and student. Hes just reacting in Goku fashion. He's not gonna lose his cool unless someone actually dies or is maimed.

Vegeta was already reformed post-Buu saga. Gohan is supposed to be pure of heart. He only would say something like this to a villain, which Vegeta was decidedly not after Buu.

As my first comment on this site, though I've been reading this for a long time now, I can see how Goku isn't even worried since he's naturally trusting in his friends, the bs about him being a bad dad are memes and should not be taken seriously, but something I don't agree with is how strong he is here, he didn't train when he was a student so why would he train when he's a full blown dad, which is something that I didn't have a problem with in Super.

Xeno was saying: Dr Raichi was saying: Both Gohan and Vegeta know damn well Gohan could easily block that blast.
Yeah. And I can easily throw a ball in a basket that's right in front of me. But if I do it 100 times, 1000 times, maybe I miss. What if this was the beautiful 1/1000 and Pan died or got hurt badly? It would be instantly undone in many ways, but pain is still pain and it's his little girl.

Ok, so if he somehow slipped and fell on his own ass then Goku could've easily reacted with instant transmission.

slade was saying: Go read the novelization lol you’ll see exactly what happens Dante was saying: I hope that Vegeta won't pull an old-Vegeta move and send his most powerful blast towards Gohan.
I mean, Gohan should have no power, even several years later... but Pan is there, and Gohan might curbstomp Vegeta after (or even before) he attacks.
Where do I find the novelization?

JoneDon was saying: The problem is that Vegetto DID try to fix it. We see that Vegetto teaches Bra many techniques so that she isn’t required to transform all the time and we see this pay off when she faces off King Cold. Another of way of fixing it was forbidding Bra to ever go to the second level. The thing with the threat is that Vegetto was forced to issue an ultimatum because he’s the protector of the universe. If he lets his own daughter go on a rampage, he’s failing his job. Remember the universe comes before Bra.

Coddling Bra would’ve only taught her that she’s allowed to do what she wants because she’ll receive no punishment. She would’ve ended up laughing this event off.

The fault is on both Bra and Vegetto however Vegetto actually did try to fix it while Bra did not. Also there’s no reason why she shouldn’t value life forms when her dad spends all of his time trying to protect lower life forms. Given the fact that her whole family does too, it should be clear enough that they do have value. If that alone hasn’t thought her the value of life forms then it’s the fact that she just doesn’t care to learn.

The other problem with training her is that we saw that the training methods you mentioned he should use to help her control SSJ didn’t work so why would they work now that Bra is an even bigger monster and even harder to control?
Teaching Bra techniques is not the same thing as teaching Bra control. Goku spent a year in training with Gohan inside of a pocket dimension in order to teach him just to control SS1, emphasizing early on that it's easy to lose control the first time you do it. Vegito was shown to have attempted to train Bra briefly, but he lost his temper and patience with her and gave up immediately, passing the buck to Gohan. If Vegito wasn't willing to train Bra to control herself, he should have sidelined her instead of taking her into more and more combat situations. Vegeta didn't push Bra-18 to be a warrior, so there's no reason Bra-16 HAD to be one.

As for Bra's disregard for life, she was trained from a young age to be a living weapon, and instead of getting to be a child she was forced into a life of intergalactic diplomacy. In Bra's mind, she's practically a god, and nobody ever took the time to teach her to be human (remember, half her genetics are from Bulma).

As for coddling vs punishing, don't act like it's all or nothing. There's a spectrum there where you can punish Bra appropriately while attempting to teach her a lesson without threatening to kill her or emotionally traumatizing her. Make her fix her own mistake, but guide her through it, don't abandon her to her own devices. Take her away from everything and train her or retire her from combat altogether, don't tell her that she has to learn how to control herself on her own or die, TEACH her. There are some things that you cannot learn on your own, and if a technique that you unlocked through desperation causes you to lose control, how are you supposed to learn to control that? Vegito threatened his daughter and then abandoned her, he's frankly lucky that some of his enemies didn't swoop in and brainwash her to use as a weapon against him. In this state she is in here, it wouldn't be hard. Comfort her a little, praise her power, throw blame at Vegito and cast doubt on his philosophy and way of doing things, then train her yourself, and when she eventually learns to control her power have her challenge Vegito for supremacy. He wouldn't even see it coming because he's too damned proud and arrogant.

Nice parallels here. Also, why is Vegeta coaching her? Shouldn't he be too busy with his own little girl?

What this is gt Goku and vegeta look at gokus gi and I assume that this is gotten mabey we have Gt entering the main chapter tourment in secret.

In my way of thinking, Bra is the single best example of the "nature vs nurture" argument simply because we can physically see two versions of Bra that are practically identical except for one fact: Bra-16 is the daughter of Vegito, and Bra-18 is the daughter of Vegeta. I'm willing to accept that being born with the immense power that comes with being the daughter of Vegito may have changed Bra-16's nature significantly, but I believe Vegito's parenting is more significant in this case (and I'll take this chance to argue that Vegito's poor parenting was likely inherited from Goku in the fusion, mixed with Vegeta's bad attitude for extra spice). I know people are quick to call Bra-16 out for being self-centered and crazy, but you realize Bra-18 doesn't share these qualities (with the exception of a level of self-centeredness appropriate for a teenage girl)? Therefore, Bra-16's emotional problems absolutely have to be a product of either inheriting Vegito's power or being raised by Vegito, there are no other differences between the two Bras.

This leads me to my problem with all of the people standing up for Vegito on this page. One way or another, Vegito caused the Bra problem, either genetically or personally, and therefore she is his problem to fix. Telling her to fix this herself is like telling a twelve year old to teach themselves trigonometry, it's not going to happen. If the problem is that the power corrodes her mind, she's clearly not capable of teaching herself to control that power, she NEEDS someone to teach her to control it. If the problem is personal, that she simply doesn't value the right things in life, she is that way because her father didn't teach her to value those things, and he needs to step up and teach her. You cannot parent your child by not parenting your child. The hands-off approach to parenting, expecting them to raise themselves, doesn't work. And you can't really blame Bra-16 for this because Bra-18 doesn't have these problems, so the problems are unique to her universe where the only change is that it's Vegito instead of Goku and Vegeta. Bra-18 is the control group, Vegito is the Variable, and Bra-16 is the conclusion. SCIENCE.

What should have happened? Vegito should have admitted that he failed her as a father, and taken her far from Earth, he should have taken her to a planet with no lifeforms, and trained her to control her power. Push her to the point of losing control, and force her to regain control. Repeat until the world is safe from the monster he made.

Special side note for clarification: I'm not saying Bra-16 isn't flawed or that she is sympathetic, I'm saying that everything wrong with her is clearly Vegito's fault since Vegeta didn't make any of the same mistakes with his Bra. Since this is all Vegito's fault, it's his responsibility to fix it. One could argue that threatening to kill her was his way of trying to fix it, but since we have already seen the future from this point (remember, this is a prequel to the tournament), we already know that this approach failed horrifically. Vegito did NOT fix his problem, he made it worse. He attempted to use fear to control her instead of raising her. This Vegito is no better than Paragus, using shock collars and fear to control Broly. Do not abuse your children in place of raising them to be better. It's one thing to spank them, it's another to threaten to kill them or abandon them in space.

JoneDon was saying: I don’t recall all of the humans on the Earth ever being incinerated. If it did happen feel free to point me towards the episode and/ or the arc.
Ugh, you tire me. I gave you a second chance and you don't really improve... If you're gonna debate do so, but state arguments, don't just argue to argue, at least with me, I don't enjoy it.

JoneDon was saying: Tell me once when a character who didn’t remember killing someone in the DB series but when they knew what they had done they didn’t show remorse? Tell me how being incinerated isn’t a traumatic death? I never said that they were having a cruel, slow death.
What are you even trying with this? You're just misusing my example, which actually happens and show you how people on DB feel when get revived, they don't care, to throw the conversation under a bus with absurd questions you know don't happen and have nothing to do with this.

But you know what, you won it, the conversation went under the bus, and died. You killed it. Congrats.

XisBack was saying: ...
You keep ignoring most of my points, but it's aright XD

Anyway, I'm not trying to justify it, it's obviously a mistake. But you peoople keep making it look way worse than it actually is. That's just it. I'm not saying she's right doing that, of course she was not. But, it's easy to undo so... yeah.

And honestly, I don't know where you live, but I've seen many, MANY, MAAAAAAANY angry kids that would have teared the world apart if they could just cause something stupid got them angry. XD

JoneDon was saying: You’re ignoring the billions who suffered a traumatic death by being incinerated yet you’ll probably advocate that her trauma is Vegetto’s fault.
Okay, tell me, just ONCE, in the WHOLE dragon ball series, where ANYONE who got revived after getting killed, gave half a f*** about their "traumatic death" XD
And if I'm downlplaying their deaths, you're doing the exact opposite. She just threw a Vegetto SSJ1 tier blow at that planet, anything but an insta-death for any people there would be a real surprise, I don't know why suddenly they're having a cruel, slow death XD

JoneDon was saying: So if you were drunk and killed pedestrians while driving and didn’t remember you wouldn’t feel bad?
If I had dragon balls on my desk? No. Sorry. You keep ignoring that. You keep talking "psycho" and all that comparing it to irl situations were things are permanent, where death is uncertain, while here "killing billions" is scaring billions for a second and maybe hurting some of them for another second, with no consequence whatsoever. Would you feel as a psycho cause you scared someone for a second and a second later they didn't even know? You're lying to yourself cause you don't want to sound like a "psycho", but you're just overreacting to hide that.
Besides, I may not remember killing them while being drunk, but getting drunk would be my responsability. Here, Bra can't control herself, wanting or not. She didn't decide to go on a rampage when getting almost killed.
author was saying: I think you have made an incredibly interesting and terrifying point. The Dragon Balls have shown to be able to reverse death and consequences with relative ease, and collecting each one of them after they disperse is easy for an individual of Son Bra's level. Life becomes less valuable and cruel acts become easier to perform if they can be undone without issue.
Specially for a kid, who's values have always been like that. Compare it to, I dunno, the internet. Nowadays kids assume internet is a thing and they can get info whenever they want cause it's there. For those who lived a "no internet" era, we are amazed by how a big difference that is, but for them is just the norm. For Bra, the norm is death has no consequence, why bother caring about it?

As a side note, she obviously CARED about Pan's death on the tournament, so after growing up a bit, she actually got some empathy towards it.
XisBack was saying: and totally uninterested to revive them
says who? The fact she just assumes that's how things work and doesn't comment on the obvious "this can be dragon ball fixed" doesn't mean she didn't thought about it.
XisBack was saying: where DBalls are, destroying them too, by the way, so no excuses about "I could fix things later!"). WTF? Why am I like this?"
First, I would say the "why am I like this" is her main trouble on life right now and we've been shown that permantently, so I don't know what you want. You want her to think that as a 4yo? I bet you were almos a nobel as a 4yo too.
Second, where dragon balls are? Namek? They literally have a dragon ball making machine maker there. If you want to assume everyone is brainless on DB, I'm not gonna complain, they are on DBZ and they are on DBS, but just cause in DBM they actually make sense and know dragon balls do things I wouldn't blame them...
XisBack was saying: Leaving aside that MAIN point for a moment, there is a minor side point: if I soak you in piss for my own amusement or to vent my rage, because I'm stronger than you and then dismiss it because "Hey, you can fix it by just washing yourself, we have water in this world!" that's called sadism, plain and simple. And a sadist with such power is a terrible danger for the whole universe.
Sure. But would you call a kid that does that a psycho genocider? No. If you lived in a world were you didn't have water (yet somehow could piss on people XD) and that was a permanent damage? Maybe. That's what you people are doing. Comparing the same action on different contexts, and saying it's the same, when it's not.
misi was saying: This is pretty much the first time he does something as a dad (that we see) that makes sense.
How so?

No, Bra, it's not your fault. There were so many things he didn't need to say, if anything. You're right.
Or at least, that's what I would say to her. I suddenly started feeling really bad for her, that kinda broke my heart a bit.

Don't forget people, Son Bra's still a kid. She has a heart, therefor she can feel sympathy.

JoneDon was saying: It appalls me how people can sympathize with a person who just killed billions and her own brother, felt absolutely no remorse for it and then proceeded to annoy him and act like a bitch towards him as she grows older. You would think that she would at least do an effort to be nice to him after killing him.

See the problem is that was how she was raised, that all that matters is how powerful she is. She destroys a planet and what does her dad do? Yells at her. Ooooh no! And Then YES, -immediately- tells her to mcguffin it all better and then leaves her to suffocate. No question as to WHY does she keep losing control, no attempt to HELP keep it from happening. No, what does he do? "I'll KILL YOU if you do it again" and then bounces. How many kids threated with death for their mental problems grow up into well adjusted members of society? Was what Bra did a horrible thing? Yeah, but WILL IT MATTER? Not with the Dragon Balls around! Hell, there's a 50/50 chance of Goten making a joke about it when he gets back. That's what happens when you're powerful and raised in a world with no consequence. Is it her fault? No, not ENITERLY! Because no one actually TAUGHT her otherwise. Maybe Vegito didn't know HOW to teach her that but his method sure as hell were far from the best he could have done.

They KNOW what happened to Broly, they KNOW what happens when you let mad power go unchecked but Vegito left her unchecked. "I'll kill you" isn't going to set her straight, it's just going to push her to be strong enough to NOT. LET. HIM. We know that because that's exactly what happened. There's A LOT more to be done than scold and warn/threaten her, but no, he told her to hit the undo button and expected her to learn to control herself when she's already proven with ssj1 that maybe it's more than she can handle alone. Yet what do we see in the very last panel? A scared little girl left all alone with no idea what to do. You don't just tell a sick person "Well you should just feel better" and expect it to do anything and you sure ass hell don't tell someone "Be better or I'll -KILL YOU-" and expect it all to just work out. You get them some medicine and nurse them back to health. You HELP them. Parents are expected to raise their children, not just control them. To HELP them become better instead of just telling/threating them to be. They don't LET them reach the point of becoming horrible people and if they fuck up they try to HELP turn them back. Meeting a negative with a negative only results in more negatives. Death begets death. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Vegito did worse than nothing, worse than just leaving a wild fire to burn itself out; he threw yet another match and left it next to an exploding sun. Not to mention the 'good' thing has been left in question more than once.

I'm not sympathetic because she lost control and killed a planet in a universe were death doesn't matter. I'm sympathetic because of a little girl was born into a power she couldn't possibly understand with a Dad who tried to control her through force and threats of permanent death. Fix yourself or die. Get stronger or die. ALSO get stronger AND die. The fuck are you supposed to do with that?

Vegito didn't raise Bra, he TRAINED her... and that's a big difference.

You are a bad dad.

You controlled her intrests. Scouting her power level, excitedly pit fighting her against Nappa when she was born.

You pushed her without any thought to the future. You set her up to fail and when she fails you kill her.

And the planet? Shes the threat? Her enemy took that risk when they used their own planet as a sheild.

Vegitos the one with anger issues, personality issues, he left Goten with Bra, Vegito willing risked them both!
Bra thought she was at least protecting Goten.

Vegito has always been the unatural danger to everyone. The alien, the evil creation, the magic monster.

Somebody so scared shouldn't rely on fear.

Big Breath

I know Vegito didn't ask to be created, neither did Bra or Buu but he failed to have empathy for either.

Worst of both worlds

(Super good chapter imo. )

It's not JUST your fault Bra, not JUST your fault.

Edit: Actually the more I think about it, this is almost entirely Vegito's fault. What really clicked was HIM bringing up Broly. He knows she was more powerful then Broly at birth and yet did an even WORSE job bringing her up than Paragus(original) did. He HAD the power to reign in hers and teach her how to control herself (maybe- see later) but actively didn't; he let his saiyan-ness take priority and abandon his kid to raise themselves. The problem with letting a saiyan raise themselves is that we and THEY both -KNOW- a saiyan will raise themselves into a PLANET CONCOURING MONKEY MONSTER! It's literally what they do, at least without a complete mental reconfiguration from brain damage.

Then again Vegito can barely control himself sometimes. He played with Buu when he more than enough power to just end it and we saw how close he came to losing it when he was knocked out of the tournament without a fight. We've also seen in Bardock's visions that he is GOING to be a problem. But even not considering that reader awareness he's already proven to be a terrible parent.

Is it hard to be symapethic with Bra after she commits genocide? Sure. Less hard when you remember she's in a world almost entirely without real consequence, and EVEN LESS than that when said genosider grows up with macguffins as a more than regular part of their life, maybe even to fix similar blunders from her parent before (Admit it, you can totally see Vegito accidently destroying a planet or at least causing constant collateral damage- even just Goku was guilty of that). Then subtract said parent from parenting, not just absent but an actual detriment, and things start getting a lot less black and white. Vegito's solution is literally "Go get dragonballs and ctrl-z", which I'm guessing is his solution to pretty much everything. Never actually addressing problems, just undoing the damage they cause and hoping it won't happen again. He even brings up he the only one to confront her now, that she's surpassed Gohan. Now that he can't do anything about her anymore, Vegito HAS to. That's his burden alone with noone else to pawn it off on and he STILL expects it to sort itself out...

You know how often something broken fixes itself? (Puts on Muggy voice) NOT FUCKING OFTEN!

JoneDon was saying: Memati was saying: Yeah... I am totally blaming Vegetto for this.

>Knows his child has more power than she can handle by far, but still allows her to head out to fight powerful villains with no one capable around to keep her under control.

>Then shows up late and doesn't knows better than to threaten her life and leave her alone to fix everything on her own, without taking even 1% blame for anything.

Sure, what she did is horrible and shouldn't be easily forgiven considering she blew up a whole planet, but Vegetto should've very well known the risks of sending out Bra.

I mean... If Goten wouldn't have been deadweight with bra ending up brutally beaten up, none of this would've happened. And daddy Vegetto thinks the best approach is to first threaten her life and then punish her by leaving her by herself? Right in the middle of nowhere, to figure things out by herself and fix everything she has done on her own, with the sun about to engulf her any minute? Surely she won't get even more mental issues from this, especially after the death threat. Its not like she is completely clueless of her own actions and doesn't understand what happened, right?

All I am seeing here is that Vegetto truly sucks at parenting. A good parent doesn't only exist to dish out and punish. He needs to help keep her from doing these things and needs to take the time to make her understand what she did and how wrong it is, even if they have dragonballs to fix everything everytime. Only saying "you did x and y, fix it up by tomorrow or I'll beat your ass" and then vanishing sure won't help her understand and grow up to be better. If Vegettos whole parenting only consists of this and what else we have seen so far, its a miracle she didn't turn into a complete psycho way before the whole Majin thing.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying Bra is innocent or deserves sympathy after taking who knows how many lives. BUT Vegetto is as much at fault as she is, if not more. This isnt the first time she lost control and he still allowed his mentally unstable child to take on unknown threats without beeing around to check up on her, knowing full well about her issues and what she is capable of. Its like handing your child a gun and then blaming said child for shooting people with it. She has more power than she can handle or knows what to do with it. And worst of all? She doesn't even remembers what she does after she goes berserk, much like how kid goku or gohan were when they turned oozaru.

Just try imagine it'd be Goku instead of Vegetto. First thing he'd probably do is apologize for not showing up in time and allowing things to come this far. He'd sure be mad because of the casualties too, but at the very least he wouldn't put all the blame on his clueless overpowered child and then vanish into his chill-zone.

Hold up what? Vegetto literally explained to her what she did and why it was wrong and she didn’t care. She even smiled and all she cared about was that she was stronger than Gohan. She didn’t even feel remorse for her actions. At least Goku felt remorse after finding out that he had accidentally killed his grandpa. You’re saying that someone who kills billions is as much as fault as someone who tries his best to keep the universe in check as well as his own daughter.

Also news flash there was no other option then to pair her up with Goten. The whole mission relied on one person in each group being able to instant transmission. Which also means that she’s able to instant transmission out of where she is at the moment. The literal point of him scolding her is also because just because there’s dragon balls doesn’t mean that she should dismiss the value of the life of others. He’s telling her to fix it because when you make a mess, you bet your head you’re expected to clean it up. Do your parents clean up all of your messes for you?

Finally he threatened her because as his duty to protect the universe, he needs to get rid of potential threats. It’s a miracle he didn’t vaporize her on the spot. She’s lucky she received an ultimatum at all. The threat was to drive the point home that she needs to start learning how to control herself so she doesn’t become another Broly. Furthermore Vegetto does help to keep her from doing these things. He’s said it before that he’s been keeping her from lashing out for years . Lastly if he hadn’t threatened ed to kill her if she didn’t control her power she would’ve just laughed off what she had just done and wouldn’t have learned anything. At least she was able to learn that she has to get her act in order is she wants to live.

Explained? More like he gave her a quick summary. She is a with fighting obsessed friggin kid. She obviously didnt really understand or even properly listened to what he said. Even in her flashback all she remembers is the death threat. And no, I was not saying what you said I am saying. Vegetto neither kept his daughter at check here nor did his best. He let her loose knowing the risks and then came back just to threaten and punish her and then vanished again. Sorry but thats not how you keep your little daughter with enough power to blow up planets in check. If he really cared that much, he wouldn't have quit the training and ran away back then at the time chamber either. So in short again... Unlike what you said, He doesn't does his best at all. Only as much as he feels like given the situation.

And no matter what reason she was teamed up with Goten is, my point till stands. Its like you read all around it. Vegetto knew about Bra as well as all the others did too. It was irresoponsible to send her out with Goten, no matter the reason. And don't give me that "clean up your own mess" stuff please. How is that even comparable to the case here? She didnt spill a stupid drink and is made to clean it up or something. If you had a mentally ill kid, would you send him out with a gun to catch a thief just to punish him later for shooting innocents along his road? It'd be your damn fault and you should be held responsible.

And Bra is like a living bomb that explodes whenever she is enraged and she has no control over it. And surprise, she exploded. And now Vegetto shows up and tells her to stop doing something she has no control over, or he'll kill her. Wow he really is doing his best I see. How about actually actively helping her to gain control over it? As her father and the strongest beeing in the universe, its the least he should be doing instead of throwing a fit and teleporting away whenever he is annoyed.

I mean it was shown over and over again that Bra has NO CONTROL over her power. Comparisons with drunk people and whatnot are not the same. Someone who is drunk chose to get drunk and let himself go. Bra didnt chose to lose control. She simply lost it without a choice of her own and that not for the first time.

Is she a danger? Yes.
Should Vegetto kill her if he sees no other way to protect the universe? Yes.
But is Vegetto beeing a good father, mentor, or anything alike? No. If anything, he is doing his best to mentally abuse Bra into becoming a good nice mentally ill villain with his attitude.

I don't think this story is about us sympathizing with her, just understanding what made her who she is, today, letting Babidi in. All about the root of her motivation.

And she's right, it isn't fair that she's abandoned when reprimanded. The truth is when a child does something wrong, and you want them to learn, you reprimand and punish but don't abandon. Because that makes them no longer able to trust you deep in their heart. They know you might abandon them again. This is the feeling Bra was trying to escape. The feeling of needing her family. Because she thinks her family doesn't need or want her. Oh, and also, the star's about to go supernova and kill her, she doesn't know where the Earth is, and she has just received a death threat from her father. She sucks even without this, but this is what drives her. This is her motivation.

Yeah, I would also crucify that kid upside down. Just look at her! She did something so unforgivable she can undo it in an hour and she doesn't even feel bad for something she doesn't even remember cause she was completely out of control. How immature of her...

Boooo Bra, booooooo.

I guess this is why prisons are full of mentaly ill people. Easier to trash them than to treat them, huh?

honestly, the one I dislike the most here is Vegetto. The situation obviously needed some actions and decisions, and the only thing he did was threaten to kill her own kid and leave. Nice job dad.

Yeah... I am totally blaming Vegetto for this.

>Knows his child has more power than she can handle by far, but still allows her to head out to fight powerful villains with no one capable around to keep her under control.

>Then shows up late and doesn't knows better than to threaten her life and leave her alone to fix everything on her own, without taking even 1% blame for anything.

Sure, what she did is horrible and shouldn't be easily forgiven considering she blew up a whole planet, but Vegetto should've very well known the risks of sending out Bra.

I mean... If Goten wouldn't have been deadweight with bra ending up brutally beaten up, none of this would've happened. And daddy Vegetto thinks the best approach is to first threaten her life and then punish her by leaving her by herself? Right in the middle of nowhere, to figure things out by herself and fix everything she has done on her own, with the sun about to engulf her any minute? Surely she won't get even more mental issues from this, especially after the death threat. Its not like she is completely clueless of her own actions and doesn't understand what happened, right?

All I am seeing here is that Vegetto truly sucks at parenting. A good parent doesn't only exist to dish out and punish. He needs to help keep her from doing these things and needs to take the time to make her understand what she did and how wrong it is, even if they have dragonballs to fix everything everytime. Only saying "you did x and y, fix it up by tomorrow or I'll beat your ass" and then vanishing sure won't help her understand and grow up to be better. If Vegettos whole parenting only consists of this and what else we have seen so far, its a miracle she didn't turn into a complete psycho way before the whole Majin thing.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying Bra is innocent or deserves sympathy after taking who knows how many lives. BUT Vegetto is as much at fault as she is, if not more. This isnt the first time she lost control and he still allowed his mentally unstable child to take on unknown threats without beeing around to check up on her, knowing full well about her issues and what she is capable of. Its like handing your child a gun and then blaming said child for shooting people with it. She has more power than she can handle or knows what to do with it. And worst of all? She doesn't even remembers what she does after she goes berserk, much like how kid goku or gohan were when they turned oozaru.

Just try imagine it'd be Goku instead of Vegetto. First thing he'd probably do is apologize for not showing up in time and allowing things to come this far. He'd sure be mad because of the casualties too, but at the very least he wouldn't put all the blame on his clueless overpowered child and then vanish into his chill-zone.

The readers here, including Vegeto, forgot child Goku’s ‘Ozaru-Rage’ incidents. Goku could have done the same if his friends didn’t find a solution to his metamorphosis. Vegeta also committed genocidal acts but he repented himself at later chapters. The righting is excellent and showcases how pretentious Vegeto is.

Ahhhh, yes... After telling your problematic kid that you will kill her, leave the little girl next to a huge threat to her life and make her deal with all the mesa without any help. As if she was an adult.

Thats exactly the way, beatings, life threats and abandoning is always the right way to deal with problematic kids. If all that fails, kill her. It's not your fault Veggeto. At all.

Like I said: she's just a kid.
She can be everything that is wrong in the universe, but she's still just a kid.

There was no need to leave her there. Now Vegetto is in the wrong again.

You know what? I wonder how Goku or Vegeta would deal with this.

I'm surprised how good Bra turned out with this psychopath of a father. I would have destroyed the universe in her shoes.

Tharos was saying: Why don't they ask Shenlong to limit Bra's power?
Or they could ask him why she's going insane in SSJ2 form.

LOL. Sure, use the dragonballs for what could be fixed with proper counseling and parenting.

Ya Let's just ignore the Fact that Vegetto can grow stronger too and that he is a fusion of best training geniuses and limit breakers

Vegito: "Do wHAt I'll say OR I kill yOu!"

Even though im the one whose beeen encouraging you to get stronger every single dayy.

Vegito was born a grown adult with near perfect control. He's never grown from a kid or even a teen. He has the power but no real right to tell bra how to grow.

Three. She might be your physical kid, but this family was started by Vegeta and Bulma. You have no right to kill anyone, to edit any of their families.
Let alone use and trash them forget this wannabe. Bah

Tasty chapter

I see a lot of Bra hate here, mainly criticising how she has no empathy for the innocents of the planet, and only cares about becoming more powerfull, etc.

Just think a little about how her life. She was born on a planet thats entire population was killed by Super Buu once, then later blew up by kid buu. Basically everyone in his family died at least once, some people multiple times. Yet she was here, with a happy family. She was born into a world where death has no consequences. How would she learnt to respect life, when anywhere she looked, she saw proof that death was a minor inconvenience, at most?

Since her birth, the only trait of her that was valued by Vegetto, was his power. She was raised to be a strong warrior, but noone ever actually asked what does she want? Since the earliest, she s been trained and fought. She simply knows nothing else.
Do you think she attended kindergarten, school etc., where she could ve socialized, made friends and learn the value the 'lesser beings'? Learn how to handle conflicts without punching that mofo's face until its a pulp of blood? As far as we know, her childhood was made up by training and fighting with his dad, boring diplomacy missions she didnt understand & hated, and lessons about how to be a f.ing god, a peacekeeper of the universe that she didnt understand either (page 303). She was expected to understand all of these while being a kid. And Vegetto is not known for his patience (as shown in the special bra goes SSJ for the first time), so its highly unlikely she paused to repeat if Bra didnt understand something.

Look at page 304. Shows how did Vegetto neglected his kids emotionally. When Trunks cries that there is a monster under his bed, and Vegetto ignores it, because he can't sense any monster KI from his room. Thats NOT how you raise a kid. You go there and comfort the kid, even if you know his fear is totally unfounded. Otherwise you ll raise a mentally scarred adult- psychology confirms.

Or look at what Vegetto s done when Bra went SSJ first. Getting mad, giving up after 2 days and abadoning his child. Gohan has managed to solve the problem in a few days- all it took was a little empathy, patience and care, and BOOM the 6 years old Bra was able to control ssj1. Then Vegetto, instead of learning from his mistakes, continued to treat Bra the same f.king way that lead to the self control problem in the first place. Instead of focusing less on strenght-training, and teaching her how to handle her emotions, teaching her how to control her power, or asking some other, more competent mentors, such as Piccolo or the Kaio shin's to teach that to Bra, he just continues.

Then in this special, Vegetto, for some reason, decides that his emotionally unstable, walking genocide machine of a daughter should definitely go on a live mission, and instead of taking her with himself, or pairing her up with Gohan, who is able to stop her if needed at that point, pairs her up with Goten- who is an imbecile. A brave imbecile, but still an imbecile. To hunt down a warrior that was created to pose a threat to Vegetto. What could go wrong right?
After things go wrong due to Vegetto's sh.t planning (if he, or Gohan wa spairder with Bra noone of this would have happened), instead of showing empathy and care (the solar system can be wished back after all) he straight up threatens her own daughter with murder. Signiature move of shitty parents: neglect the kid, then threaten and punish if the kid misbehaves due to the neglection.
Also, which one of the commenters would stay sane after your own father threatens to murder you? Keep in mind that for Bra there is no police, child protection service or any other organization to turn for help. Nowhere to run and hide from Vegetto.
Bra is definitely not my favourite, she is an annoying, arrogant mary sue, but i can definitely understand why she s like that. Remember, if the child turns out to be f.cked up, its the parents fault. Always.

I called it when I said that U16 Bra is a sadistic genonidal psychopath even on her untransformed state.

After what U16 Bra did she is uber cheerful instead of having remorse for what she did. U16 Bra being a heartless remorseless sadistic genocidal psychopath even on her base form has been confirmed. U16 Bra does not have any remorse, regret or shame after what she did.

U16 Bra also acted like a professional victim when she talked with U18 Bra.

No wonder if was so easy for U16 Bra to get majinized by Babidi.

Becoming a majin did not change U16 Bra's psychotic personality at all, it just removed her fear of Vegetto punishing her for showing her true self in public places.

U16 Bra is at best slightly less evil than Frieza, because he is the only character on DBM who is more evil than she is.

U16 Bra was like this since she was born, she never had a "she lost her innocence because of trauma" moment, because she never had any innocence whatsover, she was born a psychotic genonical monster.

Kamu1320 was saying: If being guided and loved doesn't help you then, something is wrong with you, not the person who are guiding you.Blaming Vegetto for U16 Bra's psychopathy is pointless because she was raised by Gohan, Vegetto and Bulma, thus since she was born she got guidance from three parental figures/mentors, and she always rejected their guidance.

0NightHawk0 was saying: Lol...she completely ignored everything he said, including Goten's death whom is her half brother and only focused on the fact that she's stronger than Gohan.U16 Bra does not have any remorse for what she did whatsoever.

Prof.Ripper PhD was saying: Also, she completely overlooked the slaughter of an entire solar system.The only reason U16 Bra has not murdered Vegetto yet is because she is not powerful enough to do that yet.

Squirz was saying: I really hope this is not that "bad" thing Salgir refers as horrible experience that 20 years of Therapy won't help her.If U16 Bra's traumantic experience is actually that then U16 Bra lied to U18 Bra about it.

Darklordcomp was saying: The fact that she doesn't care about killing Goten and only cares about surpassing Gohan really shows where her priorities areU16 Bra also did not care about forcing Pan to fight Bojack, because U16 Bra cares much more about winning the tournament than Pan's life. Also, U16 Bra constantly bullying Goten every day after she murdered him in cold blood instead of trying to make amends with him.

Mano Pudim de Anabol was saying: This page only made me believe even more that she lied when she said she doesn't remember what happened.I concur.

U16 Bra already had lied four times, thus it does not surprise me that she lied about this.

Rock was saying: She became a terrible person because of him.U16 Bra would have become even worse and more unstable if she was raised by normal humans instead of saiyans, because no one would have been able to keep her in check, no one would be there to stop her during her rampages, no one would have taugh her about saving the world, and no one would have been able to stop her from intentionally destroying Planet Earth when she was a 6 year old. Even if U16 Bra was raised by someone else intead of Vegetto, she would have still been a sadistic genocidal psychopath anyway, because she was born that way and no one could fix her.

Lt. Senzu Bean was saying: It's a very complicated matter. Though at this rate, my best guess is she's probably going to die by the next main-story chapter. And I'm starting to think it might not be a temporary death.The Bardock's vision shows that U16 Bra is still alive when Vegetto goes on a rampage.

Michelrpg was saying: "You blew up a planet"
"You blew up a sun that will destroy this solar system in a supernova"
"You killed your brother goten"
"Not even gohan can stop you in ssj2"

Bra: happy inside giggles

Im not sure what to make of her personality now. Even if you can wish people back, jesus... its even harder to have sympathy for her now.I doubt U16 Bra is going to get redeemed after she chose so many times to cross so many lines.

عمار was saying: Even U13 Kakarotto has more empathy than her.Every DBM character not named Frieza has much more empathy than U16 Bra does. Even Kid Buu (at least at first) and Super Buu showed more empathy than U16 Bra when they (all forms of Buu) were reluctant to kill Mr. Satan.

Mano Pudim de Anabol was saying: @Lt. Senzu Bean
>Bra's not lying about having forgotten, she just doesn't really care either way. Doesn't feel remorseful so long as she was victorious and got stronger in the process.

do you mean that not remembering is equivalent to not caring? or that she doesn't care because she doesn't remember?

I think exactly the opposite

if she didn't remember she would be more concerned to know what she did, if she really did it, how she did it and why she did it. She doesn't care indicates that she remembers what happened, but she just doesn't care about what happened.

How can someone not care about something they don't remember?

Even more when someone accuses you of something that you are not aware of having done?

Impossible not to care or ignore something you didn't enter in contingency or something you were unaware of

Because if you didn't remember it, it's not mean that you didn't care. It's mean that you just didn't remember it.

To care or not to care is a value judgment. How do you judge something you don't know?I agree. I think that U16 Bra lied about forgetting what she did.

JacktheAlienMan was saying: I know they got Dragon Balls and all but come on girl. You killed your own damn brother have SOME remorse you little psychopath.The dragon balls are not excuse for what U16 Bra did. Goku knew about the Dragon Balls and even owned one of them since he was a baby yet he did stop caring about the value of people's lives, he still got angry towards villains when his friends where killed by villains.

Nonoru was saying: she is affected by Pan's deathThat U16 Bra's crocodile tear moment, which was after U16 Bra intentionally forced Pan to fight againt Bojack despite U16 Bra's previous experience with how powerful and ruthless the Jayckals are, because U16 Bra cared more about winning the tournament than Pan's life.

JoneDon was saying: Korin was saying: JoneDon was saying:
I’m pretty sure that they already know that she’s a potential threat. It’s been hinted at throughout the tournament that Vegito’s family knows the danger she poses especially Gohan.
My probkem with everyone knowing us that their actions don't make sense:
1. Gohan is shocked Bra was controlled by Bibidi and 'Bra is better than that'.
2. Gohan allows Pan to go with Bra to train.
3. No one shows concerns for Bra/Vegito's behaviors, they act like Bra's aptitude is more of a joke than anything.
4. Goten and Trunks, whose fusion could stop a berserker Bra, act like lazy buffons instead of taking such fact seriously.

I mean didn’t Bra let herself be controlled? She basically wanted to get rid of her human side right? So I think that what Gohan means by her being better than that is that she’s able to resist Babidi but chooses not to. It’s like how Goku and co were shocked that Vegeta had been majinized. Pretty sure that Goku said a similar phrase to Vegeta just as Gohan said to Bra( feel free to correct me if I’m wrong though). As for the Pan thing, Pan is the one person who Bra seems to like the most, not to mention the fact that Vegetto is also there to supervise. As for Goten and Trunks, honestly that’s just how they’re portrayed in DBM, they take everything as a joke. They’re also not able to stop a beserker Bra. Only U18 Gotenks who received a power boost thanks to Buu would be able to stop beserker Bra.
I could swear Salagir said adult SSJ3 Gotenks is stronger than SSJ2 Bra. I get Salagir wants to portraid U18 pair as the carefree teens, but if kid Goten was ready to train seriously in the Buu saga, why wouldn't teen Goten realize Bra is dangerous and they need to have a backup plan in case she goes nut?

JoneDon was saying:
I’m pretty sure that they already know that she’s a potential threat. It’s been hinted at throughout the tournament that Vegito’s family knows the danger she poses especially Gohan.
My probkem with everyone knowing us that their actions don't make sense:
1. Gohan is shocked Bra was controlled by Bibidi and 'Bra is better than that'.
2. Gohan allows Pan to go with Bra to train.
3. No one shows concerns for Bra/Vegito's behaviors, they act like Bra's aptitude is more of a joke than anything.
4. Goten and Trunks, whose fusion could stop a berserker Bra, act like lazy buffons instead of taking such fact seriously.

While vegetto is spot on, it is stupid that an ten year old has all this power. How do you get a ten year old to be responsible like an adult? You can't, that's why you leave things like driving and stuff until a kid is older. Kids are stupid little monsters and this one, bra, has the power of ssj2. What do you expect? And in the case of babidi she is to be fair being mind controlled. Half the stadium was being controlled by babidi.

That said, good on vegetto for trying to get through to her. Looks like the message didn't sink in though. You'd think this would be the point he'd take her aside and teach her morals and stuff instead of playing space cop with her. But alas...

Bra and Vegito can act very stupid. Bra seems scared, but in the future she doesn't act like she's scared daddy is going to kill her if she isn't a good girl. She is annoyed because everyone wants her to save people when all she cares is to get stronger. And Vegito, knowing his daughter is a potential danger to all the universe, chooses to don't tell his family about such fact, which again shouldn't be a secret to anyone. He needs to communicate, tell the rest.
And again why is everyone in U16 nd U18, except for Vegito and Bra, the same?

Yeah, no, Vegito still a shit parent. That's not how you discipline a kid. That's how you create resentment and harbour hate. No wonder Bra is a monster, her dad is an emotionally abusive asshole.

I'm not saying what Bra did isn't completely awful and wrong, but I feel like a lot of y'all are treating this as an isolated incident to make Vegetto more blameless than he is. Bra isn't happy she surpassed Gohan because she's got that Saiyan urge to be stronger than everyone else - she's that way because the first thing he does here is bitch about how sad he is that there were CONSEQUENCES to treating his daughter like an outlet for him to get the real challenge he's been missing! And when she was much younger and doing bad things with her Super Saiyan power, almost blowing up the Earth because she didn't really understand the consequences, what does Vegetto do? Help her socialize with normal people so she can learn the value of average human life? No, he takes her into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, pisses her off, gets pissed off that she's hard to control, and makes her fight Gotenks. All the while pushing her to catch up to him, both to inherit all his power and to be someone he can fight, even though there's a strong possibility that she'd have never wanted this life if she wasn't pressed into it as a kid.

You’re really trying to pin this all on Vegetto? She hasn’t even learned the value of the life of her own family so how in the world do you expect her to learn the value of an average human/ stranger? Also “makes her fight Gotenks”? It was literally a sparring match to make sure that she was able to control her SSJ form. Furthermore Bra has always liked fighting. She liked fighting as much as Vegeta and Goku like fighting and that’s saying something.l

Add to that knowing about Dragon Balls that can undo everything... I'm not saying Bra isn't a monster here, to be clear. She is. But it's Vegetto's damn fault! She's trying to be what he wants and then getting punished for doing it the wrong way. Leaving aside how spoiled we got by Gohan not acting remotely his age in canon DBZ, it's reasonable for a twelve year old's thought process in this situation to be "my dad threatened to kill me because I did the thing he wants me to do too well but I can't NOT do the thing because he keeps bringing me on missions and making me train and stuff so what AM I supposed to do???"

JoneDon was saying: MUI was saying: These guys must be insane strong. Bra should be around SSJ3 Goku (Buu saga) here? Yet they totally own her.
She shouldn’t be at that level yet. She was only at that level at the tournament and she looks far younger here. I’d put her at around Teen Gohan SSJ2 level


J.I.L was saying: The power scaling doesn't make much sense. How are bojack level beings able to go up against a ssj bra who was shown to already be at ssj gotenks level?
Especially if a ssj goten is able to hang with them.
Actually they’re stronger than Bojack. Bra was definitely not SSJ Gotenks level ( Gotenks never went full power during that fight), at this point in the story, in her SSJ form she’s SSJ2 level at the most. Not to mention the fact that Goten was only doing ok before they transformed.

Nah. In the tournament she is 16 and her SSJ is stated to be close to Mystic Gohan. Here she is 12. And dont forget the gap between SSJ3 Goku (buu saga) and Mystic Gohan is a huge one. Her beeing SSJ3 Goku tier makes more sense then her beeing SSJ2 Gohan tier.

Edit: Yes. Her giving a match to SSJ Gotenks gives even more evidence that 12 years old Bra is around SSJ3 Goku. SSJ Gotenks would one shot SSJ2 Gohan.

JoneDon was saying: Squirz was saying: Xeno was saying: This confirms they always meant SSJ1 Bra when they talked about... well, everything about her PL. Gohan, Vegetto... All that was SSJ1 Bra. Which actually makes 2 troubles. 1, she's actually way closer to Vegetto than it looks, as Ginyu said, and if she unlocks SSJ3 for whatever reason, well...

And 2, for the love of everything I can't believe she slightly struggled agains Gohan, Cell and co. She's obviously over Vegetto SSJ1 tier, how can she...


Vegetto SSJ1 tier? No, she is not at level of Vegetto in SSJ. She is between Mystic and SSJ1 Vegetto in her SSJ. I also disagree with those that say that in SSJ2 she is equal to Base Vegetto.

In her SSJ she’s weaker than Mystic Gohan, by a pretty decent margin too.


JoneDon was saying: Squirz was saying: Xeno was saying: This confirms they always meant SSJ1 Bra when they talked about... well, everything about her PL. Gohan, Vegetto... All that was SSJ1 Bra. Which actually makes 2 troubles. 1, she's actually way closer to Vegetto than it looks, as Ginyu said, and if she unlocks SSJ3 for whatever reason, well...

And 2, for the love of everything I can't believe she slightly struggled agains Gohan, Cell and co. She's obviously over Vegetto SSJ1 tier, how can she...


Vegetto SSJ1 tier? No, she is not at level of Vegetto in SSJ. She is between Mystic and SSJ1 Vegetto in her SSJ. I also disagree with those that say that in SSJ2 she is equal to Base Vegetto.

In her SSJ she’s weaker than Mystic Gohan, by a pretty decent margin too.


I was talking about SSJ2 and also difference between Mystic and her SSJ is not that big to be honest.

Xeno was saying: This confirms they always meant SSJ1 Bra when they talked about... well, everything about her PL. Gohan, Vegetto... All that was SSJ1 Bra. Which actually makes 2 troubles. 1, she's actually way closer to Vegetto than it looks, as Ginyu said, and if she unlocks SSJ3 for whatever reason, well...

And 2, for the love of everything I can't believe she slightly struggled agains Gohan, Cell and co. She's obviously over Vegetto SSJ1 tier, how can she...


Vegetto SSJ1 tier? No, she is not at level of Vegetto in SSJ. She is between Mystic and SSJ1 Vegetto in her SSJ. I also disagree with those that say that in SSJ2 she is equal to Base Vegetto.

Ashanark was saying: At age 10, Bra has a higher killcount than both DBZ Cell and Vegeta combined. even mass-murderers were more reluctant to blow up planets
In theory Vegeta has been genociding planets since he was way less than 10, so I don't think so. Cell probably loses though, but he just ate some cities. XD
But the blowing planets part... not really? I mean, Vegeta can't, he gets planets for a "job", but he obviously kills without a care so he would if he could. Frieza seems to do it daily, he just dislikes doing it when he's on the actual planet himself, which seems reasonable enough XD. And Bu is shown either candying everyone on it or blowing planets up, that's why they want to stop him to begin with. So I'm guessing the only thing that "stops him" from doing it is killing everyone inside first, so you know...
Ashanark was saying: terror of Vegito --wasn't implied at all in-webomic from 2008-2018. Even as late as 2019 when Majin Bra
I would argue this didn't happen in 2020 either. People jumped really fast at that image to make their own story, but nobody said her problem was being scared of Vegetto. As I see it, that scene just shows, once more, that she's scared of herself. She know Vegetto wouldn't do anything to her if she wasn't a threat just as he's not killing himself. But she's not sure if she can manage that before actually becoming a threat to everyone, even the ones she loves, and that ultimatum is just a graphic representation of her "deadline".
I don't mean I'm right, but I think just assuming she's scared of Vegetto before we're actually told so is too bold. Specially when stating it doesn't match everything else. Maybe it's for a reason.
Ashanark was saying: She's Majinized and finally speaking what she's always wanted to say
This kinda sounds like drunken people always telling the truth. Being majinized restricts the part of your brain that may stop you from saying things, but that doesn't mean that's your true self. It's starting to sound Persona-like now, but that's just a part of herself, one that can be small (or not).
JoneDon was saying: just looping, more agressively for some reason
"Kiddo"? I wish. XD Maybe if I was one I would be happy saying "bad is bad, evil is evil, HURRRRRRR" without even reflecting on context. Either way, sorry, but I'm out. I can "waste" time debating things, cause it's fun, but I can't waste time explaining a point of view like a person to just get back the same sentence over and over again without an actual argument while you start heating up cause I don't agree, and resort to "insults", for a reason that I can't even begin to fathom. I guess at this point I'm lucky you're not Bra, cause we don't have dragon balls, afaik.
Invader_Jim was saying: Think of it as a driver accidentally running over someone, whether they are a snarky smartarse in their day to day activities is 100% completely irrelevant, a good natured person would feeling absolutely terrible, guilty and responsible so what do they do, stop driving? Hole themselves up in a room? Most continue driving and do their best to avoid such events from ever taking place again.
The main difference between a driver and Bra is, how do you punish her? She has to punish herself, mentally, and strive/train as hard as she can to get to a place both mentally and physically and all this is what that pic is trying to convey.

That's a simile as weird as accurate. I like it.

JoneDon was saying: Huh. So if Goku and Vegeta went around killing people for no reason at all it would be fine because they’re going to be wished back? You have a weird twisted side of logic. I guess what Super Buu did wasn’t bad because they all got revived too? or that what Cell did wasn’t bad because they were revived too?
No. Bra is doing it for a reason, killing that Hulka. Not for no reason at all. It's different. And Cell and Buu killed for fun AND with no intention whatsoever of bringing them back, AND with 0 knowledge of how heaven and hell work in their universe.

I don't see how you're even comparing both things.

JoneDon was saying: It is true. You’re comparing a girl born from a fusion with yadayada
Huh? Gohan is stronger than SSJ2 Bra. Goten has more potential than Gohan. SSJ2 Bra OVERKILLED these guys. You can search for all the excuses you want, Goten doesn't even need to reach Gohan's level to clean this, much less his max potential with a ritual. Or what, Goku can reach SSJ3 but a Gohan/Goten who trained can't? You know you're just lying to yourself here. XD

JoneDon was saying: is a “job well done” makes no sense.
I didn't say that. As I said, it's cleaner and faster if she didn't do that. But consequences are close to none, and she's an almost dead kid. I'm just saying you may want to give her some space for mistakes, specially when she actually did the job, well or not.

JoneDon was saying: Dude I’m not against Bra. I actually don’t mind her but you look at what you’re saying. She killed billions of innocent lives and her own brother just to kill one person. Does that make sense to you?
Yes. You say that in a irl kind of "killed billions", but this is DB. Here "killed billions" means "she sent those guys to a waiting line for some hours as if they wanted a new iPhone, and then they'll just get back to their lifes as if nothing happened." Even in the "worst" case scenario, where they remain dead, Bra knows there's a hell, a heaven, and how they work, it's not like being dead is a problem really, at least for "good people". So yeah, I don't see a single problem in collateral damage if the villain dies. Yeah, it's cleaner and faster if they don't, but hey.

JoneDon was saying: Do you think that killing billions of people to kill one person when you could’ve just killed that one person is justifiable?
Yes. She's a kid throwing a tantrum after almost being killed in a world where she knows death has no meaning. If it was a slow death we could argue she made them suffer before that, but considering how this went... yeah. All those people just saw a Hulka meteorite, then suddenly saw a flash, and next thing they know, they're back just where they were slightly confused and keep with their lifes. I'm sure they'll manage.

Really, the only "problem" here is we're used to characters actually acting as if they didn't know how their universe work, which isn't even true after Raditz. XD

JoneDon was saying: You bringing up Goten makes no sense either. There’s no way Goten would’ve been able to match up to those guys, even in SSJ2. It’s like me saying “Let’s talk about Krillin or Yamcha’s job against Nappa. They just got there and got their asses kicked and let the villains free” It’s ridiculous.
Not true. Bra could kill them cause she trained. Goten couldn't cause he flirted instead. If Gohan is stronger than that Bra, Goten could be even stronger than that, by what we're shown, so literally the only reason he couldn't do anything, is his own acts. So you complain about the one who actually made the effort to be ready to stop the villains, and defend the guy who did nothing cause he was too busy lazying around.

CHEwys was saying: Wait... last two panels... is the sun also getting destroyed!?

A whole solar system gone in one blow... tremendous...

Also, i wonder if Goten died here... because if he did, he certenly had a little zenkai... then how come he is equally strong with U18 Goten (remember they both had the exact same power?)...

But, of course, the zenkai could have been very little.

Well goten could actually still be training in u18. Goten doesn't care in either universe buut goku was more willing to train with his son. Vegito is too powerful he would likely not choose to train with him. U16 Goten probably wouldn't want to either. Goku spent quality time with goten by sparing.

Deez_souls was saying: Salagir was saying: Prof.Ripper PhD was saying: How do they have any oxygen? There was no bubble or dialogue revealing any artificial atmosphere.
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Wouldn't the force field be deleted, due to the planet/moon getting destroyed?


Not exactly. If the building isn't destroyed then the force field could survive without issue especially if the power source isn't disrupted. Granted you have to factor in the damage to the moon. She moved away from the building. So if it survived then they are good but for how long that remains to be seen.

Welp. We all expected the planet to blow up, but nothing related to it's star. Unexpected but fun turn, seems like she reaaaally wanted to get the overkill bar as high as possible. Wonder if she'll get a trophy for it.

BangBang was saying: Look at her. Look at your hero, U16.

What? She did a fantastic job! She killed the menace to the whole universe, by herself, and everything she broke will be unbroke in 3h.

You all complain about her but nobody is complaining about Goten's job. He just got there, sassed up for a while, got his ass kicked and let the villains free. If it wasn't for Bra everything would be the same, but with 3 more villains alive... She can't win against you people :(

Vegito is at fault. He's a bad parent and never let Bra be a kid. He's been training and kicking her around since the moment she could take a hit from him while dragging her around into war zones and conflicts all over the galaxy. Bra never had a choice - Vegito already chose for her from the day he heard Bulma was pregnant.

Bra needs a father - not a fighting obsessed warrior who dragged her into his lifestyle.

Gohan tried to raise her right but it isn't enough if Vegito is constantly putting her in situations that she should never have been in.

Heck, Bra never even got to make any friends due to constantly traveling. It's why she's so protective of Pan since Pan is the only one around her age that she can actually hang out with. Even then Gohan and Videl let Pan be a kid which Bra never got to be.

These guys must be insane strong. Bra should be around SSJ3 Goku (Buu saga) here? Yet they totally own her.

The power scaling doesn't make much sense. How are bojack level beings able to go up against a ssj bra who was shown to already be at ssj gotenks level?
Especially if a ssj goten is able to hang with them.

-=sigh=- Even here Goten gets no respect. He should not be this weak or against hitting certain people. I hate watching my favorite character get wrecked pretty much everywhere. :(

Jesus, can you give Goten at least one kill, or at least a knockout?! As if we haven't seen Bulla stealing enough kills as it is. :P

JoneDon was saying: Dude was saying: Bra is still a kid. Vegito giving her a death threat instead of helping her control her power is why Bra is so messed up.
Obviously he tried to help her control her power. I mean you can clearly see him training her. The death threat is in case the training doesn’t work.
did he though, really. Seems there is any actual behavior issues he forces Gohan to deal with them. I don't think we have seen one time he has treated her like a child.

Bra is still a kid. Vegito giving her a death threat instead of helping her control her power is why Bra is so messed up.

I'm gonna say this again. Tell the illustrator to change Pan's design, She literally looks like Goku with Chichi's hair. It's weird af.

It's like he's not even trying to come up with a creative design. Pan should resemble Gohan and Videl. She can resemble Goku and Chichi but not at this volume, she needs to look more like her Parents.

Sorry kabito but could you sense goku and vegeta and gohans hidden energy during the buu saga ... yeah a no!

I hope he is strong and kills everyone in bloody fashion even tho buu killed him I mean he was in god mode .... total bullshit buu

Its like all the effort went into that last pic of gorkor but next page he looks like shit and everyone else looks bad , stick to tracing old chrono trigger characters and he man action figure ads.



DoubleBoozed was saying: Going by what we've seen in DBZ, I wouldn't trust the sensing abilities of Kibito.
Be careful Pan.

Exactly he just another self important jackass thinks he knows everything but didnt even know about goku for fcks sake

@ everyone trashing the wife and daughter... who cares? Also look at it from their point of view. This guy has probably literally been gone for years. For all we know they have seen him for a total of 5 months since the kid was born. Hes back for a day or two then leaves again after being gone for say 3 years? For who knows how long? Yeah id get a different spouse as well.

merttey was saying: ssj form 50 times multiplier
oozaru form 2 times multiplier(in dbm canon)

that means the golden oozaru form is a 100 times multiplier which makes it the same as ssj2
and, i think kakarotto is in ssj 2 form

UIGODBLUEVEGITO7777 was saying: Finally I saw vegeta said this ‘goku’ for a long time
from what i know, vegeta has only said goku in dbm two times: this time and when he was fighting kakarotto

don't kill her or your out of the tourniment.
You killed her, good job you showed self control by having none.