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Lang lebe der König....

Naja Diesen Teil (vorletztes panel) empfinde ich als sehr schlecht und passt hier nicht wirklich rein. Böse bulma!

I wonder what this special is gonna be about since there isn't much left with U12 to be frank. Broly? Jakayls? Mecha-Gorkor the Great? A new threat? Or is this really just a boring chapter purely about Trunks and #16 fixing up civilization after #17 and #18 ravaging it.

Sweet they're still making Universe Specials. Maybe hopefully we'll see more on Gast's history and Bra's. Guess they're building up Vegito's reaction to Bra forfeiting her match for later. Bet the first page of that chapter we see just his face. His head covered in veins, his eyes bulging out, his teeth grinding. This'll be fun.

I’m curious as to what this is going to be about. We know this universe the best except for the 18th. And the vast majority of it can be inferred. Best guess, the specifics on how Trunks handled Babidi.

Okay this is an awesome page. Now I'm all for steady pacing, I've liked the pacing as of recently, but we definitely need to move the plot a little.

And this page is perfect. So I see in the 1st panel, a Super Buff like Frieza final form? Sounds like King Cold and a Shenron Namekian Humanoid.


So there's really no evidence to prove that is King Cold there as this could be simple Silhouette Conicidence especially since Panel 4 and 5 say otherwise.

Others have said Vegetto but I dont believe that would be Vegetto even though Panel 4 Silhouette may support it do to Vegetto like hair.

Again we could be reading these silhouettes wrong.


Here's my theory. Its Cell. The character goes from King Cold silhouette, to something else in Panel 5, and in panel 4, now that I look at it again, it looks more somewhat like Cell?

The way he speaks is closer to Cell. Think about "You never take risks" definitely counts Vegetto out but Cell? I dont recall him ever taking risks.

He underestimated when Gohan went SS2, he didn't see that as risky. Every move by Cell was always precalculated and cautious.


AT THE SAME TIME, This could be plenty of others, I haven't bothered to see how well Cell could connect to this, it could be someone else or someone entirely new, but def not new, it's clearly implied it someone we know.

ZidaneTribal sagte: Es sind nur noch 3 Turnierkämpfe übrig!

Son Goku gegen Vegeta
Gast gegen XXI
Finale

Hoffentlich wird jedem Kampf mind. ein Kapitel gewidmet.

Du hast mich gerade geschockt. Ich lese seit so vielen Jahren DBM. Ich liebe diese Story. Und jetzt realisiere ich erst dass es nur drei Kämpfe gibt.

Heftige scheie DBM ist kurz vor dem Ende

GogetaFanBoy sagte: Sehe ich das richtig? Son Bra hatte ein Bunny Anzug an? Warum hätte sie das jemals tun sollen?

Wie es aussieht wurde sie dabei erwischt als sie den Bunny Anzug trug und es scheint ihr Peinlich zu sein.

wundert sich keiner das sie mit lange haare aus sieht wie ein SSJ3

Ich hoffe U16 Pan schafft es ihrer Tante/ besten Freundin (sind gleich alt) zu verzeihen. Bra war unter der Kontrolle von Babidi, ja da war sie eine totale Bi*** aber im innersten ihren Herzen ist sie Gut. genauso wie Vegeta U18 im Buu Arc; er wollte nur die Kontrolle von Babidi um sein "volles Potenzial" frei zusetzen um eine Chance gegen Son Goku zu haben, aber er hat nie auf Babidi gehört und auch versucht Buu zu vernichten nach dem er realisiert hat was er verursacht hat.

Jubjub was saying: ShadyDoorags was saying:
Read the comic and it's very clear that Bra is an evil person with a god-complex in need of discipline, with or without Babidi; the cast just pinned all her sins on Vegeto which is still a chapter that infuriates me to no end.

I do disagree here. Bra, from my review of the character, has always come across like a Prince Vegeta. Undeniably dark and pompous, but hardly evil (unless you think anything south of Bulma is "evil"). She's literally written to be a female version of Vegeta back when he was all about caste systems.

The problem has ALWAYS been that Vegeta gets humbled and Bra doesn't. We're supposed to say "Vegeta got development, why not Bra" except Vegeta's worldview was shattered constantly throughout the series before he evolved as the Vegeta here.

Bra's every move towards development is upended so that she always comes out looking clean.

Character development: Bra's SS2 makes her incredibly violent to the point that she gleefully wipes out a solar system and kills her half-brother

Upended: She literally doesn't remember any of it and instead she's the victim because her dad's abusive

Character development: She agrees to an absurd matchup only get destroyed

Upended: JK! She's got senzu beans and crazy unseen hax moves that win her the fight.

Character development: Bra forfeits a fight because reasons.

Upended: Literally no one challenges her on it except her abusive father, with even fearful Pan getting over her previous issues.

Character development only happens when a character's views are tested and they're forced to evolve. Bra's are rarely tested, and when they are, she gets extra credit because she's literally the teacher's favorite student


Again with the so called "Abusive Father" crap, if that were true, we would've seen it LONG before the Majin Bra crap.

Again its the same situation with Bra. She isn't gaining any real development cause we NEVER saw the character that she was before.

The character that Pan is thinking about. We only saw the crazy stuff.

And since apparently my previous comments were deleted for whatever reason, I'll tldr my stuff from before.

TLDR: The issue here is people are praising a character's development when we've never seen the character she was except for ONE side.

This out of the blue so called "Story Arc" came from nowhere with no foundations or build up. There is no indication nor evidence til the Majin Bra debacle, that supposedly Bra was "abused" by Vegetto.

And FYI Vegetto being abused should've been hinted at Chapters ago before that Majin Chapter.

Now if he were just very strict, we'd have a different story.



Beni-Kujaku was saying: Bird Mountain was saying: Pan, not you too! Say it isn't so! Say it isn't so. I thought you were the only one to have a sane reaction, but you are able to realize that she is a different person because she decides not to kill everyone this time? Pan, I am sorry that you have been abused so much that you jump to praise an abuser because they didn't abuse you this one time. I hope that emotional high gets you through at least the next two abuse cycles. Yeah, yeah... Mind controlled because she was evil, but even if we ignore the majin thing, she's also murdered before. She will murder again, but we have to praise her because she didn't murder this time. I feel for all those around her who have their mental health affected by being under constant threat.

"Jump to praise an abuser because they didn't abuse you this one time"? That's basically the exact opposite that is happening here. She's never seen Bra as an abuser, just as a cool aunt/sister with whom she played her whole childhood. That's who she's remembering in the first panel. Bra turned SSJ2 and berserk literally twice in her life before the Babidi debacle, once in the special with the Jaykals, and once against Broly during the Multiverse tournament. Pan didn't see either one of these occurences. Majin Bra traumatized her, because she never saw Bra that way. Now she's basically asking herself if she should judge her aunt on this one event or on what she has always known of her. Son Bra was just a normal girl (or as normal as a super powered alien could be), loving to her family, with her temper and impulsive, but not much more than any other teenager. She has always been cocky, with reasons. After all, she's the number 2 of the universe. It's the same cockiness as Goku telling to Freeza he's boring. When she's not an 8 year old child anymore, she understands that what she did as a SSJ2 is bad, almost traumatizingly so, which is why she just bursts into tears after going SSJ2 in space against Buu. It's just something she thought she left behind her 10 years ago, and she realized that her control didn't improve in SSJ2.

Pan here is wondering if she could put 16 years of good in Bra before one hour of mind-controlled absolute evil.

Seeing Bra as an all-time abuser is very much a flawed vision, based on the fact that most of the times we see Bra in flashbacks is when she has to fight and shows her lack of control. This page tries to show that these were singular events happening scarcely along years of calm.


One could say the same about Vegetto. Its obvious most readers are more lenient on Bra because she's female and a kid.

Which normally would be fine....Literally everything you said, if it were THAT simple, it'd be fine. It actually makes more and simple sense

Again The problem -> They're trying to put deeper meaning, oust Vegetto cause he's this supposed "abuser", and then say "Well Bra was abused"


Thats what made me mad, was that during this whole thing, I'm led to believe there's Domestic Abuse....without any prior indication in the Story.

The same with this supposed "Character Developement", if we had just seen the Character she was before, there'd be actually development here.


(Hopefully this comment won't get deleted. I worded everything in a much nicer manner. I dunno why the previous one was and if there's like someone I can talk to about this, I'd like to be redirected.)

Entweder kommt jetzt Vegettos ausraster oder nach dem Kampf Gast vs XXI

Wenn er gar nicht mehr kommt (Vegettos Ausraster Arc) dann muss mal über Salagir reden ob er überhaupt noch lust hatte nach dem Majin (Bra) Arc weiter zumachen

Nichts gegen Salagir, aber nach dem Majin Arc waren bei ihm die Ideen aus gegangen

You sure a plane crash isn't a poor comparison?

I agree, Zen Buu is just as bad as Bra. Worse in some ways. I think some people like him because 1. established DBZ character, 2. power wanking (omg he can do anything he's an omnipotent god so cool!).

ZenBuu was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: Ok, can you do better? No seriously, what do you think should've happened? Enlighten us.
Dude, this is such a weak argument...when I'm on a plane and it crashes because it's the pilot's fault and I criticize him for that, will you also say "can you do it better?" I don't have to do anything better to criticize something. No, seriously stop that please. You are defending this whole situation a bit too much for my taste.

On the other hand, he could've explained why he thinks like that in more detail and give constructive criticism, rather than just screaming "bAd wRiTiNg".

Why bother at this point? Most people are tired of repeating themselves ad nauseam to the blatantly obvious bad writing when it comes to Son Bra in particular, and characters affected by her presence for that matter. Countless "constructive criticisms" have been thrown out page after page after page when Bra is involved, and everytime it's a bloody war in comment sections, especially during and after Majin Bra arc. The fact of the matter is that it IS bad writing when it comes to Bra alone, especially for those who had been reading DBM for over 10 years, over 2k pages of this story, specials and all. At this point people might as well move on to other DB medias if they are looking for any meaningful and outright better character writing, because let's be honest as of late, most are here out of morbid curiosity.

Ok, can you do better? No seriously, what do you think should've happened? Enlighten us.

Frage mich auch, wer sich hinter der Sprechblase im 1. Panal versteckt^^ Die Kleidung erinnert mich ein bisschen an die Engel :)

Was war nochmal der Wunsch für u19? War es vegettos Fusion aufzulösen? Falls ja dann kann er beide Wünsche in einen packen

'ich wünsche mir dass alle Fusionen aufgelöst werden' und schon hat er 2 weitere frei

I KNEW IT!!!!
Das wird der Grund sein für Vegettos Ausraster, ihr werdet schon sehen :D

ZenBuu sagte: Kantax sagte: Gedanken lesen? Hab ich was verpasst oder fängt sie an ihn zu überschätzen?
Das ist ja nun nichts besonderes. Viele in DB können Gedanken lesen. Muten Roshi hatte Nam's Gedanken während des Turniers gelesen, oder (Zen)Buu zb, die Kaioshins oder auch der Oberälteste, der Krillin's Gedanken gelesen hat und der ist ja wohl auch ein Teil von Gast.
Wäre jetzt der erste von dem ich wüsste der auf Distanz Gedanken lesen könnte (ja Zen Buu ist die Ausnahme, ich schätze mal, da er Fähigkeiten der Kaioshin mit absorbiert hat).... der Oberälteste musste dazu z.B. die Hand auflegen

I don't think Gast can read minds, at least not without making physical contact (similar to what Goku did with Krillin). If that was the case he would have saw Buu's trap coming from a mile away (unless Buu can defend himself against mind reading, which is possible). Other than that nothing hints at Gast being able to do that remotely. I think Bra is jumping to too many conclusions as to what Gast is capable of so she is majorly overestimating Gast (which is actually bad).

Bra has much fewer options at her disposal than Gast for the fact that Gast can use magic abilities to fight as well as physical/ki abilities while Bra is limited to physical/ki abilities. It should stand to reason in terms of that and strategy that Bra is outclassed and only has the advantage in physical superiority (the fact she can crush Gast and outspeed him, which she should use to her fullest to be frank).

tabulldog was saying: At this point, I'd max-solar flare this guy and blitz him with energy blasts

Honestly the best strategy for Bra against Gast, I am surprised she didn't think this as it's better and simplier than her other strategies. Unless she doesn't know the Solar Flare (but I would think she does) or Gast can resist it (unlikely, even if he can sense ki and doesn't need eyesight he will still be disoriented long enough for Bra to land some major knockout blows.

I'm pretty sure he'd have to put his hand on your head to do that, Bra. If the guy could read minds, I doubt he'd spend so much time interrogating people's motivations.

That said... Bra's character flaws up to this point have included egocentrism and the fact that her underhandedness undercuts both her imposed identity as a hero and her desired identity as a great warrior who overcomes things by her own strength. Up until now, she's been assuming due to her egocentrism that Gast will definitely whip out his energy bind at the first opportunity and that that's the thing she has to outsmart, because while she pays attention to Gast as a threat, she hasn't been paying enough attention to his fights or him as a person to realize that he's played fair every time he's in the ring (even in situations of dire threat, like when he fought the ghost Vegeta and Broly who were able to cut him up and explode the pieces) and only used those powers to intervene when somebody was violating the peace and threatening the tournament's procession. Gast may have an important wish, but he is also a deeply honorable and sportsmanlike combatant who desires challenge and fair play. Not only is Bra not smart enough to trick him, she doesn't have to. I think that might be her main lesson here - that to be the person she wants to be, she needs to both pay attention to others and treat them as individuals (including her opponents) and stop using underhanded tactics like picketing or stealing Senzus or teleporting her opponents away. I'm not sure who will win, but if we're expecting this to play into Bra's character arc, that's how I anticipate it will.

Gedanken lesen? Hab ich was verpasst oder fängt sie an ihn zu überschätzen?

The only fighter remaining, with no obviously exploitable weaknesses is Goku. He's just a simple, pure fighter. There is no trick that just beats him. The trick used on Vegito wont work again since it's a known quantity. The only way to beat Goku is to just beat up Goku. A task that Gast, Bra, or several other fighters could accomplish, but XII can't.

Puh, wieder ein mal ein "dass" falsch gesetzt. Ich frage mich wer für die Übersetzung zuständig ist.
Kann da denn keiner mit mittelmäßigen Deutschkenntnissen vor Veröffentlichung mal drüberschauen?
Würd mich sogar anbieten, denn es ist schon ein wenig peinlich...

Don't you have to have a target with ki to instant transmission? Or is it more advanced now, I don't remember if they said anything about it before.

Evil characters that are "evil" just for the sake of being evil are boring as hell but I guess that green turd gets a pass on this one since he's 100% evil in the first place so yeah, evil things is what he will do obviously, lol.

But no worries, the humans will come anytime soon now to stop the havoc, that was the plan of the cat dude and the gods aren't doing anything about it so yeah, humans.

Ryuzaki_Doragon sagte: XD ich Feier Gokus Reaktion. Gerade der, der alles auf Anhieb normalerweise hinbekommt. xD

Goku bekommt alles auf Anhieb hin?! Er gewinnt zwar immer, aber sein Lernprozess war immer weitaus langsamer als bei anderen

I’m pretty sure that XXI has “Dragon Balls Lite” of some kind. Their cooldown is extremely brief (he’s used them three times in three days, and at one point he’s simply sitting there waiting for them to turn back from being stone. However, he really wants the wish he’ll get from winning this tournament, so it seems that his Dragon Balls have some sort of major limitation. I suspect they can only answer wishes for knowledge. “How can I easily defeat Vegetto?” “How can I easily beat Android 18?” “How can I easily beat Majin Buu?”

That said, from what we’ve seen, there’s three beings associated with XXI. There’s the little wrinkly magician dude who is just an avatar or a puppet controlled by the real XXI. It’s a probably a disguise meant to hide him from the Kais, since we know that Elder Kai knows about the evil of the real XXI. Next, there’s the real XXI, who is a weird demon thing made of smoke. This being has at least enough raw Ki to destroy a floating head Buu, who was surprised by its power. Obviously the tiny head Buu was weak compared to the real deal, but still, making Buu say “such power?!” is no easy feat. The third is XXI’s Eternal Dragon, who was talking with him in his room. It has a scaly hand with claws and is roughly human-sized, that’s all we really know.

(I’m too lazy to edit now, but I remember now that I think it’s that Dragon that destroyed Tiny Buu, not XXI.)

To be honest I'm expecting Gast to beat Bra, Goku to beat Vegeta, XXI to beat Gast, and then Goku to beat XXI. Goku being the main character of Dragon Ball and all that and him having no obviously exploitable weaknesses for XXI to take advantage of.

Ok allein das ist schon für mich ein starker Start der vieles verspricht.

Beide denken schon extrem strategisch nach wobei Gast hier bis jetzt überlegen wirkt da er sich mal wieder für eine Herausforderung bewusst zurück hält.

ZenBuu was saying: These are Ki constructs. It has nothing to do with magic.
So turning into a giant monkey, collecting chi from the world and the sun, beans that instantly restore health and regrow limbs, teleportation, saying some special words to get x2 or x10 power boost, getting so angry your hair turns pink and you get a x1000 power boost, dancing with a partner then merging into them to multiply your strength, getting beat up then becoming stronger than your opponent because you healed...

None of that is magic?

So one cheats with items and the other is an entity of magical cheats

Damn cheaters lol

Why would Gast call his magic strange? It's his so it wouldn't be strange

"Who doesn't have strange magic."
I always thought Bra's secret techniques were magic based, which was why Vegeto didn't use them against Broly. Was I wrong, or do they just not count as STRANGE magic?

also, i don't see the sweat on gast people are talking about, i just see the indentations of his chisel facial features. I know the art is a bit small there but that's how I see it.

ChrisOfChaos was saying: Jewbacca was saying:
Wouldn't bet on that. Gast has an important reason to win. He wants to restore his people by undoing his own fusion. So i doubt he is willing to give up for anything, or anyone. For now i wouldn't bet on either of them. Gast was able to disable Vegetto somehow so he certainly has a chance.

Yeah I think that's not gonna work out for him. Vegito tried to undo his fusion with the Dragon Balls and it didn't work, and I would imagine Buu would have unfused Gast if he could have, instead of setting up multiple spells to trap him. If it were me I would ask a few Nameks from the other universes to help him repopulate.

Gast has a few options to bring his race back available to him. A good chunk of Namekians were killed by Freeza and his men before they had a chance to fuse with him, and of course there's Kami on earth. He just needs one Namekian capable of creating Dragon Balls to exist in his world, then they can fine-tune it from there.

It reminds me.... where the hell was Cell during the Buu incident???

I thought U18 Bra was into Uub. But who am I to judge?

This is about a fanart : https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/fanart-3001.html

ZenBuu sagte: Eguan sagte: Hahaha. Die beiden passen gut zusammen, und können sich gegenseitig bestimmt noch mal 'helfen' stärker zu werden.
Die können versuchen so stark zu werden wie sie wollen, gegen Raichi hat Bardock nicht den Hauch einer Chance...nicht mal als SSJ3.

coolschweiz sagte: So die Söhne so die Eltern
Goku & Piccolo JR
Bardock & Bösser Piccolo
Bösser?

Weil Oberteufel Piccolo und Kami weg der ersten Saiyan Welle wieder vereint haben

Darum Bösser Piccolo für mich

Kann Raichi überhaupt zurückgeholt werden?
Der war doch auch schon ein Geist.

This is really weird; going back and seeing the older pages did seem to hint at some sort of changing development with both Bardock and possibly King Piccolo, and while I can understand King Piccolo dropping the attempt of attuning to this new 'compassion' feeling, Bardock not only directly contradicts himself (going from 'I've learned from the barbaric Saiyan ways of old' sort of deal back to 'pick on the weak'), but them both leaving now seems kinda out of nowhere. I mean, I guess it could be a 'Oh, you're bringing Raichi back? My time's up then,' from Bardock and since King Piccolo is from the same universe, it's sort of like 'well, I'll hitch a ride back then finally as well,' sort of like, didn't want to make the decision to go/initiate leaving but will tag along since there's nothing left here.

I mean, with everything of them being forced to join under Babadi's spell and all being killed for it (King Piccolo giving in to the power probably mores o to get said compassion out of his head, only to be killed in retaliation/karmatic irony, it seemed like at least King Piccolo would have some sort of plausible redemption, even if it was just a small bud of a plant of development (a step in the right direction of possible correction?) Bardock, while expressing he's not barbaric like the Saiyans once were, I can chalk that up to ... a watered down description of his actual change and development. He won't go from planet to planet mercilessly killing to sell the planet for the highest price, but the old Saiyan in him would rather pick on the weak than seek out a good challenge.

Then again, maybe this could have been apart of a vision he saw; maybe he saw himself with King Piccolo and creates this dialog to follow that path because he saw something good out of it? Also, I do kinda like how 'the fathers of the 2/3 protags' are sticking together, kind of like an homage to the relationship between Goku and Piccolo at the start of Z. Perhaps Bardock sees a good sparing partner out of King Piccolo and his chance to get stronger in order to defeat Rachi lies with King Piccolo?

Again, this is all speculation and assumption that's not outlined all that much since there's been such a drastic change of character for the both; one fully changed, the other's assumed path was thwarted (which is more believable; not every villain take the path of redemption even after taking the first step. I do like the double-back of King Piccolo as villains getting their redemption happens all to often now and we don't see enough of the 'Oh, will this villain change? They're hinting at it a lot; ah, okay. They're going back to their evil ways.' At least a seed is planted though; it won't happen in a single tournament, but that experience is still with him (or them, rather [King Piccolo as a plural with both him and possibly Kami's faint influence having been snuffed out for so long being sparked only briefly back to life for but a budding moment, not including Bardock]).

But I get it; I totally get it. The story's spread through so many characters and narratives now, it'd be really hard to keep track of them all especially over the course of consistent story telling and character development for so many of them (consistent enough through the many years, and while some certainly regressed, it's understandable that comparing these versions to versions that were written under a different influential purpose or eventual goal [as plot goals can certainly change for a story throughout years of writing]). I can see a future special with this duo here, to close off their chapter in a sort of 'finale' way, having their own post-tournament arc and depending on what Raichi does/plans to do (obviously find and kill Bardock).

Hahaha. Die beiden passen gut zusammen, und können sich gegenseitig bestimmt noch mal 'helfen' stärker zu werden.

So die Söhne so die Eltern
Goku & Piccolo JR
Bardock & Bösser Piccolo

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Bardock has changed from his previous ways. He cares more about his sons now, and can recognize the wide-ranging consequences of his actions. He also has a spark of compassion blooming inside him, which he doesn’t like. That doesn’t mean that he’s not a barbarian, he’s a Saiyan. The same goes for Piccolo. The spark of compassion inside him only limits the extent of his evil, but he’s still obviously evil, just less so than before.

The thing about that seed of compassion is that Bardock and Piccolo don’t like it. When Piccolo says “come over to my house, we’re gonna bully some civilians on my xbox,” and Bardock says “bet,” they’re not just doing that because they’re evil, but because they’re both trying to overcompensate for the goodness they feel blooming in them, goodness that makes them scared and uncomfortable because it threatens their freedom and worldviews.

As for why they didn’t leave before, idk, maybe they were having fun at the tournament? They decided to leave right before Raichi would be resurrected, which I think is a perfectly logical choice.

Vegetto thinks he saved everyone "again", but he never did so far. During Babidi's coup 18 Bra, and Zen Buu saved the day. During the current coup the Vargas saved the day. The only person he truly saved was Bra when Ginyu stole her body.

Vegetto hat niemanden gerettet, weil er ebenfalls Chancenlos war. Die Varga Chefin Sei hat Sie gerettet.

Auch wenn ich nicht glaube, dass die in großer Gefahr waren. Nachdem Buu gewonnen hätte, dann hätte er sicherlich alle
wiederbelebt.

Paladin was saying: Whos the blonde? Is that Phipsil?
No, she's 18 ^^
(Yes, the blonde Gast Buster is Phipsil)

where's broly?

I'm not even sure what this tournament bracket looks like anymore. Who's left?

Ich bin mir nicht ganz sicher was in dieser Story Canon ist, aber könnte das eventuell Garlic sein? Piccolo erwarten wir ja sowieso, wäre ein nicer plottwist

Aww, U3 is going home? I was hoping Bardock and King Piccolo would stay, and what about Tapion (you know, the guy Cell killed in the 3rd Round)?

Deutsche Eiche sagte: Mittlerweile dürfte Uub Goku übertroffen haben. Was meint ihr?


Wir reden hier von dragon ball, niemand übertrifft ihn ;)

Das ist doch irgendwie der running gag und auch der Ursprung von One punch man als eine Art omage (satire wäre zu viel) an DB XD

Called it. Wonder how he'll get out of this one.
I wonder if the U18 crew will notice and to get Uub back they'd have to get ZenBuu back, and Vegito will go into a hissy fit over that.

You know, I hate to say this but in hindsight, this feels very... dumb. Why would you split off this tiny bit of evil from your being to give it a form identical to you, then just walk out after abandoning them in the Room of Spirit and Time like a puppy. It feels out of character for Kami, who values life, to not feel a little ugly about this, inside. He doesn't feel a tiny bit bad, guilty? A part of him isn't wondering if maybe he can reason with his other half? It's not like there was much darkness to dispel anyway, apparently. He's only making this worse, and if evil is anything, its persistent. Piccolo will only grow stronger in an effort to break out and get revenge, but most definitely a terrible revenge worse than death as one life has become two intertwined lives, if one dies then so does the other. The tiny amount of vice was practically nothing at the time, but now by incarnating it into a physical body, that same vice has the means to become worse in the worst way possible. It's not even like the old man Kami is giving off any sort of vibes, like ones indicating he's a bit close-minded, or arrogant, or a perfectionist or something. He literally just straight-up said something to his successor on dealing with the vice inside him. But why? I can understand if something was festering within but there's gotta be other means to dealing with so little. It's even odd for Mr. Popo - who isn't actually evil like his Abridged counterpart - to suggest such a sensitive technique. In fact it feels like Mr. Popo is stepping out of line not consulting his master with the use of that specific sort of technique. It also basically feels overall unwise. I'm gonna keep reading the story but I just felt like I had to express myself, the story feels like it's being told so... weird, I guess.

I know the mods don’t like DBS discussion

Oh OK, hab ihn jünger geschätzt. Dann halt mit 21

Tja, jetzt wissen wir auch wie Uub stirbt. Mit 17 an Diabetes wegen zu viel Zucker

Ist dieser Boo nicht auch mehr oder weniger vollständig und könnte daher das Tor aus diesem Raum-von-Geist-und-Zeit-artigen-Ort öffnen und somit wieder mit von der Partie sein?

Aber wenn für den Bösen Piccolo die Zeit quasi schneller verfläuft als für den guten, dann ist die Lebenserwartung der beiden völlig unterschiedlich.

uiui sagte: Okay, das dürfte der Punkt sein wo XXI den Bannspruch aufsagt.
wenn das der Punkt ist dann dürfte Oob einige Jährchen älter sein an dem Punkt wo Buu in sein Uni zurückgeschickt wird

ZenBuu sagte: Also erstmal scheint bei dem Export was schiefgelaufen zu sein. Keine Ahnung warum da "unserem" steht, da sollte natürlich "deinem" stehen.

Und nein, dass andere ist kein Übersetzungsfehler. Buu sagt auch im französischen das die Dimension verlangsamt ist, also exakt das Gegenteil zum RvGuZ.

Obwohl das tatsächlich kontraproduktiv ist.

Vll Denkfehler vom salagir oder Autor. Denke schon dass hier ein RvGuZ ist, lediglich falsch herum erklärt. Macht ja kein Sinn im langsameren Universum zu trainieren, bevor er etwas erreicht ist turnier vorbei. Außer er lernt eine Zeitreisetechnik

Welcher Namikaner war den schon wirklich nackt. Man hat in einer Szene mal Piccolo Gesäß gesehen, aber sonst?

Schwachsinn. Die Kaioshin sind keine Killer die alles abschlachten. Vielleicht hätten sie diese Erfindungen der Vargas verboten , aber keine Spezies ausgelöscht.

Grund
Weil ganze Tunier von anfang an eine grosse Ausnahme war

In einem anderem Universum hätte Kaioshin Vargas direkt Ausgelöscht mit dem Grund Universum zuschützen

Und schon wieder das Varga-Mädchen xD. Die ist unglaublich!

Das könnte Vegetto zum Ausrasten bringen. Gegen Zenbuu hat ohnehin keiner eine Chance.

Satan is the best, no chance for the rest.

Garou was saying: Icarus was saying: Mr Quill was saying:
Droutt was saying: Can I kiss Bra ?


Dude. Shes 16. What is wrong with you people. Still a kid.


No one implied a romantic kiss, as far as I can see.

What a weird excuse. No there is no such thing as a non romantic kiss between you and a child, to imply otherwise is at best creepy as hell. At worse a prison sentence in your near future

You have no idea how old he is himself. Could be close in age to 16 and the creepiness is all in your head

Finde den Pace des Comics sehr langsam. Es werden nur wenige Panels pro Seite gezeigt.

ZenBuu was saying: WukongTheMighty was saying: Something to remember that in DBM, super saiyan 2 and 3 are 10x multipliers each.
Weird...some pages ago you said something totally different:



I would like you to show me where and when exactly Salagir said, that these multipliers are canon to DBM? Or did you just made them up?

"Vegetto SSJ2 is worth 500 mystic Gohans"...suuuure. "please try to be logical here" xD

OK, I'm not sure why you want this to happen, but if you like being wrong so much, I'll oblige you.
SSJ is 50x Base SSJ2 is 10x SSJ, SSJ3 is 10x SSJ2
Hence 50x, 500x and 5000x, basic multiplication my dude.

Salagir first mentions SSJ2 being a 10x boost over Super Saiyan 1 all the way back on Page 87.
He mentions SSJ3 being 10x that on page 1091
And he mentions Base Vegito being Mystic Gohan tier on Page 278
Thanks for playing!

Lmao xd bro

Something to remember that in DBM, super saiyan 2 and 3 are 10x multipliers each.

Kann Gotenks diese Technik jetzt auch?

Es gibt eine Attacke die Boo töten kann?!? OK now I'm hyped

kiobruh was saying: Dante was saying: I think I see where the flashback (if they still occur) comes into play.

So Buu splits his power and makes each clone about the same strength as the opponent he is facing.

So Buu will tell Bejitto that even if he wanted to give Bejitto a fair, full-powered fight he can't because his power is split. Bejitto asks him if what he said is true (about Gast and being able to resuscitate him), and Buu approves. Bejitto then fights Gohan to set an example, and tells them to stop fighting Buu so he can have a fair fight, and if they won't, he'll "murder everyone if he has to".

Then the most powerful fight commences.

This concept of splitting the character up and splitting the power up also just makes no sense at this point. It made sense talking about Tien because that's how the ability was explained and his clones are ki based. Cell doing the same thing is iffy, because the cell Jr.s don't reduce his power at all, but they aren't as strong as him so that's reasonable. Also he uses Tien's ability in series anyway, so that's self explained. Then Cell makes false cell Jr.s that are literally clones of himself and the only explanation as to why they're weaker is that "You can't have 4 full power cells running around, can you?" or that for some reason the original cell has to share his power between them because only one cell has the regen core. Even though that doesn't explain why the clones bodies can't use their own ki, because they were biologically made and not made through ki.

Then, there's buu. Who's literally never had this problem. The one time buu splitting made him weaker was when his internal buu parts were removed. Only when Buu magical building blocks were forced out of him was he ever weaker. Splitting off was as good as just making more buu's, but not any weaker. I mean he's magic. His body is magic. His consciousness is magic and super advanced(supposedly). Half of his power set is magic. Why would making a clone body ever make him any less of a threat or even physically weaker.

I do think the clones would cause this problem though, but more in a respect kind of way than actually making him less powerful. Think Hashirama sending a Wood clone to fight Madera and Madera getting mad about it.

Why can't you accept the obvious truth?
Buu splitting himself up obviously splits his power, we just saw that he made a SSJ2 level Buu and a SSJ3 level Buu.

Kantax sagte: p4ran0id sagte: Naja so langsam wird das Kapitel zu satire. Die einzige Person, die Zen boo momentan erledigen könnte ist marry Sue...
naja theoretisch jeder Magier der sich den Spruch gemerkt hat, wenn er im Ei ist, selbst nur für ein paar Sekunden sollte es möglich sein mit nem kombinierten großen Angriff, unter anderem da Vegetto und Bra ja die Technik kennen um ihn zu vernichten

Wird nicht mehr funktionieren. Er ist ja schon immun.

Naja so langsam wird das Kapitel zu satire. Die einzige Person, die Zen boo momentan erledigen könnte ist marry Sue...

Wer sagt das DBM bald endet?? ????


Hab ich nie behauptet.

naja, disagree! Wenn DBM so endet dann war es nicht wert es zu lesen.

Aber was ist eigentlich Zen Buu‘s Ziel ? Nur Chaos Stiften?? Kann mich irgendwie nicht mehr so dran erinnern dass er mal gesagt hat was er eigentlich vor hat.

Zen buu will try to play with Vegetto. it be funny if buu broke the promise and use magic just to defuse Vegetto

KaiserAcedia sagte: p4ran0id sagte: What? Gast ist der einzige der ihm gefährlich werden kann?!? Ist XII nicht ein Größerer Magier?

Naja, XXI wird sich ohnehin nicht am Kampf beteiligen. Deshalb wird es Zenbuu nicht interessieren. Gibt ja nur 2 starke Charaktere noch. Nämlich Vegetto und Bra, dann mit größerem Abstand Cell, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta und Uub.


Naja, disagree! Wenn DBM so endet dann war es nicht wert es zu lesen. Ich glaube schon, dass da mehr Tiefe dahinter steckt.

Dass Strategie bei Saiyajins unbeliebt ist, ist jetzt nicht überraschend.

ZenBuu was saying: PixxyStixx was saying: I don't think Buu can take everyone at once, but since some fighters are gonna agree with him (especially Vegito) I think this is going to be very interesting.


If they agree, why is Vegetto fighting Buu then with a serious face? (That's from the news...)

Find out next time, on Dragonball Multiverse! ;-P


We all know Vegito would love to fight Buu. Its established in both novel and the comic. But this is a hostage situation, not a 1 on 1 combat scenario.

On top of this, we know Buu is just humoring Vegito. He can teleport people far away anyway. Hell, for all we know he can undo the Potara fusion as well. The fact that he's fighting Vegito indicates he's either just playing around again or he has some scheme planned again.

Michelrpg was saying: ZenBuu was saying: PixxyStixx was saying: I don't think Buu can take everyone at once, but since some fighters are gonna agree with him (especially Vegito) I think this is going to be very interesting.


If they agree, why is Vegetto fighting Buu then with a serious face? (That's from the news...)

Find out next time, on Dragonball Multiverse! ;-P


We all know Vegito would love to fight Buu. Its established in both novel and the comic. But this is a hostage situation, not a 1 on 1 combat scenario.

On top of this, we know Buu is just humoring Vegito. He can teleport people far away anyway. Hell, for all we know he can undo the Potara fusion as well. The fact that he's fighting Vegito indicates he's either just playing around again or he has some scheme planned again.

I think you underestimate Vegito here and overestimate Buu. If Buu gets overpowered with either magic or raw power he CAN be defeated. We saw that against Gast, and we saw it again against XXI with magic. I am very sure that if Vegito turns SSJ3 and put all his powers on that majin punisher technique of his, that there will be no trace of Buu left since buu is confirmed on raw power to be SSJ2 Vegito tier. In DBM a SSJ3 is 10x SSJ2, that gape is HUGE. Combine that with a technique special made to annihilate Buu there is no way Buu can survive that.

Everyone can be defeated in DBZ. There is no such a thing as 'unbeatable'. You just need to be strong enough. Even the Grand Priest and the Omni-king, characters that dwarf Buu in everything can be killed. Not by the DBZ universe, but put them against the Beyonder or the Living Tribunal and they are history.

WizRad was saying: Osha was saying: supersaiyandevilgod was saying: I never really understood why one planets worth of fairly weak namekians would even be as powerful as they are definitely shouldn't be able to do up against zenbuu he's got countless planets worth of people in him
You gotta remember how ridiculous fusion powerups are. Piccolo went from, I would imagine at best, Ginyu levels to being able to curbstomp second form Freeza, and then when he fused with Kami, he went from below Super Saiyan to being able to go toe to toe with #17.
I think to some degree that has to do with compatibility. Piccolo and Nail were very similar in almost every way, one could argue they were like twins from different worlds or eras (yes, they're both Namekians, but not knowing how old Nail was, it would be hard to imagine that there was any actual relation between the two, especially since Piccolo is technically the offspring/clone of Demon King Piccolo, who was MUCH older than Nail). So the boost Piccolo got from absorbing Nail was significant, meanwhile Kami was literally his other half, so that absorption boost was far more substantial. DBS kind of shows us what happens when the Namekians put all of their eggs into the fusion basket with universe 6 boiling their race down to just 2 final Namekians. They were tough, but at best they were a match for Piccolo and Gohan, and ultimately they didn't even win that fight. If the absorptions/fusions are done at random without thought to how the individuals compare, the results are less substantial than what Piccolo experienced. And to a degree this is true of non-Namekian fusion as well. Beerus stated that the potara earrings are more effective when used by particularly similar individuals, most particularly twins like 17 & 18 or even himself and Champa. In theory, when you have multiverse shenanigans in the mix like this, a fusion of two Vegetas would be stronger than a fusion with one Vegeta and one Goku, even though Goku brings more power to the table, the compatibility between the two Vegetas would make for a more cohesive fusion, and thus the result would be that much stronger (albeit Goku + Goku would still beat both Vegeta + Vegeta or Goku + Vegeta).
If Namekseijin Densetsu is considered DBM-canon, then yes Piccolo and Nail are related. The Nameless Namekian is the son of Katats who's the son of Helix. His brother Arion (Guru) gave birth to Nail. So Nail is Piccolo's... great-grandcousin(?)

Anyway. About the chaos that's coming... Buu wants to put everyone back to their place, but I assume he also wants to have fun. Maybe he'll pressure Goku and Vegeta into fusing, or let Goku use the Genkidama, or something else crazy. I agree that they're basically all fodder except Vegetto, but we never know. I really hope they manage to defeat him with sweat and blood. Maybe Gast will break free. Maybe someone remembers the sealing spell, giving enough time to Vegetto to take care of him. Maybe XXI will stop him in exchange for the Tournament to continue. We'll see...

Gogeta sagte: eine sache die ich komisch finde und zwar wieso will XXI ein wunsch von den Dragonball’s ich meine der typ ist mit seiner magie mächtiger als Buu also könnte er sich doch den wünsch den er will selber erfüllen oder liege ich falsch ?

Wieso sollte er einen Wunsch haben? Wie ist es mit u18, unser Universum ist auch nur aus Spaß dabei. Wer weiß, vielleicht hat XXI ganz andere Ziele als den Wunsh.

Und ZenBuu ist auch nicht wegen Wunsch dabei, nur so nebenbei

I don't think Buu can take everyone at once, but since some fighters are gonna agree with him (especially Vegito) I think this is going to be very interesting.

ZenBuu sagte: Sollte jemand ein wenig Zeit über haben und möchte beim Export (auch rückwirkend bei allen bisher releasten Seiten) helfen, kann er sich gern bei mir melden! Logischerweise würde derjenige dann auch ein paar Seiten vorraus sein...ist doch ein netter Anreiz, oder nicht? ;D

meld ...? Was müsste ich tun?

War eine super Story, hat mir richtig gefallen, bin hyped auf Teil 2

ZenBuu sagte: Könnte ich mir sogar gut vorstellen bei Buu.
Er sagt dann einfach so, ihr seid mir zu langweilig und haut ab in sein eigenes Universum. XD

Ich gehe nach wie vor davon aus, dass er früher oder später versucht die Technologie der Vargas zu stehlen mit der man durch Universen reisen kann. Zum einen kann er damit noch unendlich viel mehr Leute absorbieren die ihm tatsächlich was bringen und zum anderen hätte das auch Entertainment-Möglichkeiten. Zumindest wirkt DBM nach der Viele-Welten-Interpretation, wonach theoretisch auch jede/r/s Show/Film/Buch in einem eigenen Universum tatsächlich passieren könnte. Denn das ist ja das was Buu will und mit seinem Level an Intelligenz wird ihm klar sein, dass die Unterhaltungsmöglichkeiten seines eigenen Universums irgendwann erschöpft sein werden (auch wenn er durch die ganzen Absorptionen ein gewisses Maß an Verantwortungsbewusstsein erlangt hat, wie man im Special mit Hildegarn sah).

And one part ends. Part 2 when?

Okay so overall part 1 I liked. Was it perfect? No. But over the course of the story as it unfolded both the art and story got better. We've got more Sayian focused stories than I can count so something that dives into Namekian lore is kind of fun and interesting. I look forward to part two whenever it arrives and I'd like to thank @goten-kun for sharing their take of dragonball story telling.

ZenBuu sagte: Eure Meinungen: wird Buu diesmal wieder gestoppt? Wenn ja, wie und von wem?!
Ich werfe mal etwas ungewönliches in den Ring. Was wäre, wenn er von selbst aufhört und niemand ihn zwingen muss oder sogar besiegt.

ZenBuu sagte: uiui sagte: Gott, ich liebe Zen Buu.
Dann sei mal gespannt was noch so kommt. Das Kapitel wird äußerst witzig... ;-)

Eure Meinungen: wird Buu diesmal wieder gestoppt? Wenn ja, wie und von wem?!

Ich halte ihn auf. Ganz klar!

Gott, ich liebe Zen Buu.

Please, tell me the characters won't be drawn like this for the whole chapter.

ZenBuu sagte: Broly sagte: Vegeto, Gast, und Bra sollten mit mehreren Buus fertig werden da sich die Kraft ja teilt beim Babuschka Trick, oder er hat diesen Nachteil überwunden. Für Goku und die anderen Unis reicht jeweils ein Buu oder vielleicht doch ein Buu gegen die restlichen Unis.
Buu nutzt nicht die Babuschka Technik. Alle Teile von Buu sind eigene Individuen, also hat auch jeder Teil von ihm die gleiche Kraft und die gleichen Fähigkeiten.
das klingt aber Irrsinnig op... solange die nicht nach der Teilung geschwächt sind könnte er ja teilen->2 Boos mit 100%->zusammenfügen->1 Boo mit zeitweise 200%
dadurch würde er ja Energie aus dem Nichts generieren

Kantax sagte:
das klingt aber Irrsinnig op... solange die nicht nach der Teilung geschwächt sind könnte er ja teilen->2 Boos mit 100%->zusammenfügen->1 Boo mit zeitweise 200%
dadurch würde er ja Energie aus dem Nichts generieren

Also wenn jeder geteilte Buu genauso stark ist wie der sage ich mal ganze Buu, dann hat es Vegeto schwer wenn er jetzt z.B. gegen 5 Buu kämpft und die selber ungefähr auf SSJ2 Vegeto Level sind. Dann reicht für Bra 1 und für Gast vielleicht 2 oder 3 Buus aus. Der Magier Opa oder was auch immer seine richtige Gestalt ist der gegen Vegeto einfach gewonnen hat, zerfetzt dann Buu?

Is that Trunks in the top left? It looks like his jacket, but I’m not sure.

A 14 year old girl drunk?

Vegeto, Gast, und Bra sollten mit mehreren Buus fertig werden da sich die Kraft ja teilt beim Babuschka Trick, oder er hat diesen Nachteil überwunden. Für Goku und die anderen Unis reicht jeweils ein Buu oder vielleicht doch ein Buu gegen die restlichen Unis.

Well, the Daizenshuu 4 states that "Namekians can only fuse if they are of the same type as each other".
On the other hand, that was written in 1995, so it's really all up in the air.

RIP to the Nameks that fused with Arion.

How could you not know that they all fused with him?

They perform a form of bodily fusion.
They didn't die, they fused with Arion.