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2014-03-23

Flash-back part 2 begins soon!

Next sunday, begins the second and last flashback, by Taopaipai!

It will be released at 3 pages a week. Nothing on monday.

Your comments about this page :

2012-10-10 21:25:57

Davidstarlingm

Hah! Bojack has just now come to grips with how truly, truly screwed he is.

Is that blood, vomit, rum, or a mixture thereof?

I'm guessing that the next page will show a very, very damaged Bojack. He'll probably try another desperate attack, though. I'm pretty sure it won't be an instant KO....though Cell clearly could if he wanted to.

As promised, we now have really, really awesome art for Chapter 34, "Brave Sword". This chapter is official backstory for Universe 12, and explains how Future Trunks received the Brave Sword and became a Super Saiyan.

This art was produced on request by artist Johan Dark, the same one who created the excellent Universe 1 (Bibidi) special.


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More Bringer of Death news (last page):

Chapter 35, "Judgment Day", went up yesterday. This chapter introduces a new character with concept art created by @Kakarotto Ka Power Level Kya Hai, so we're pretty excited about it!

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Supercraze2 has been working on some fanart for us, trying to develop his skills to possibly work on a manga adaptation of Bringer of Death. I've posted some of the art he has done so far on our DeviantART -- he would really like comments, reviews, and critiques! See below....

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2012-10-10 20:00:29

Kaiju-Z

And there goes the barfing.
2012-10-10 20:01:03

Android Greg

Absorb him, Cell! He obviously doesn't want his bodily juices! >:D
2012-10-10 20:00:48

Docter Killjoy

and there goes bojacks rum.
i'll laugh if cell gives an anti-alcohol comment on the next page and berating him.
2012-10-10 20:01:04

meh

so it will end like it did in movie 9

bojack get's a hole punched in him and tries an attack out of desperation
2012-10-10 20:01:41

Legendary Super Buu

Looks like SSJ2 Gohan vs Cell all over again, except cells in the drivers seat
2012-10-10 20:02:35

Avi

Bojack is about to barf up android 18. Or zangya, i dunno.
2012-10-10 20:02:39

Y.P.P

Poof. Bojack shall now vanish into thin air.
2012-10-10 20:03:15

green day

Bojack for sure lose!
2012-10-10 20:03:54

SSJ Your nick

Cell doesn't tolerate bullies.
2012-10-10 20:04:05

LSS3 Broly

Really likein this Cell. Hope to see ss3 goku soon.
2012-10-10 20:04:40

nick

any one else notice the in panel 3 that bojack is missing a mouth
2012-10-10 20:06:49

Elbadj

Imma firin' mah blaaaargh!

Yes, Bojack, if all else fails, you can always use your trusty projectile vomiting attack.
2012-10-10 20:08:22

Marvelous Hulk

Hah! Love the second panel.

Is it just me, or is it ironic that Bojack looks like he just got a little seasick?
2012-10-10 20:08:31

TheWon

Nice artwork of Cell!
2012-10-10 20:09:00

Gortex

Heh heh heh, Cell rains supreme!
2012-10-10 20:09:12

NeoMetalSonic

Outch! That had to hurt. His lunch even came out the same way it went in. Anyway, this is U6 out of the game. Unless the fan-service girls try something.
2012-10-10 20:10:05

SSJ Your nick

Cell doesn't tolerate bullies.
2012-10-10 20:10:29

protoman rises

there goes Bojack's lunch.

anyways heres episode 81, this one the principal Yakon makes a guest appearance to reprimand tim for abusing morgan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC6c60NoMO0&feature=plcp
2012-10-10 20:11:16

Annon

Honestly, I really wanted to see Bojack get more into the fight. I mean, the most obvious choice winning is getting pretty old.
2012-10-10 20:12:46

Your nick2

Rip him to pieces!
2012-10-10 20:13:00

chocho978

Oh man! Bojack will be dead by the next page.
Anyway here is the 2nd chapter of The Adventures of Goku and Vegeta's descendants: Frieza and His Soldiers
2012-10-10 20:13:49

CellPerfectForm

Deja Vu!
In a Cell-version, and no hole in Bojack's stomach.
2012-10-10 20:35:13

SuperBuuExtreme

Edit: disregard this comment... Im not 100% sure how this works but before i didn't see my comment until i posted another one, then this reappeared. @_e
2012-10-10 20:21:00

this is a nick

Dont think its an instant KO, either, because bojack looks surprised and is sweating bullets from the punch, not completely knocked senseless, and he still has pupils in the last frame.

my 1.5 cents
2012-10-10 20:22:53

Cross Epoch Fan

This may not be a very balanced fight, but I love seeing Cell kicking ass so it's all good
2012-10-10 20:41:25

Crazy K (hife)

Bojack used Bojack Barf! It is not very effective.

EDIT: Hrm, new Gravatar isn't working yet.

@ Davidstarlingm:
This time your mod sticky has a timestamp later than the next post. Did you edit it?

PREVIOUS PAGE:

@ Gohandominates:
>Or android 21..I mean XXI does mean 21 in roman numerals so that could be who it is...it can be read 'X-X-I' or as '21'.
Salagir explicitly stated, that XXI does not mean 21 (and is pronounced Ksee).

As for C13, I think, any previously existing character, that already fought in DBZ would be totally anticlimactic after all this buildup for XXI...

@ Skar-faced Bandit:
>Yea that's true. I guess there aren't enough distinct sounds in the English language.
Well, that's part of what makes English very easy to learn.

>Isn't Austria's official language German? Would it be considered just a different dialect?
Well, yes, but isn't the same true for American and British English?

@ Davidstarlingm:
>Hence, the rate of troll comments is more closely proportional to popularity than any other measure.
I wouldn't say that is generally true. There are examples of vivid hatedoms of certain works, which can rapidly increase the troll rate, without increase in popularity. I'd say awareness/fame are more closely related to the troll rate.
2012-10-10 20:29:34

Mleebs530

In many ways Cell is more bad ass than Buu even in his "super" form(s). I'm not talking about power. Cell just seems more devious, sarcastic, comedic, & pragmatic than Buu was. I thoroughly enjoy how sarcastic he can be. His voice is the kicker. He actually has the perfect voice for a villain. Super Buu's voice is pretty good too, but its not the same.
2012-10-10 20:30:02

Raniero

Did he just get punched so hard he vomited? Cell is just screwing around with Bojack. This fight won't last much longer.
2012-10-10 20:32:31

Tiencha

Cell continues to be awesome. But I wonder if he can resist the force of Bojack's regurgitated lunch (probably rum and bits of sharks, and...other...ocean things...he's a pirate....arrr.)?

@Scar-Faced Bandit
Heh. I'd probably be at a disadvantage there, starting from earlier in the timeline, although the relatively fast-paced nature of my story means I might reach the end of the Buu saga at about the same time as some of the others. I can say this without giving away too much:
Participants:
Goku, Raditz, spoiler, spoiler
Spectators:
Family of Goku and Raditz, human fighters, possibly a couple of aliens.

I'd love to do this, but A. I'm not sure if all the writers you mentioned (American Vigor especially) would agree to it, and B. I can't see it happening for a long time (we'd have to pick a time period for all of them to be picked up by the Vargas, which would have to be significantly after the start of the latest-starting one, but they'd all have to have reached at least that point. So if we included continuations like Genetic Bridge and AZ, it could take even longer for everybody to reach the required time--some might even end their stories before then.)

Also, I wouldn't much mind about winning. I'd more enjoy the participation, the interesting matches, and the characters meeting their alternate selves.

@davidstarlingm
The thing you sent me a message about...npberryhill will certainly tell you about it, but I for now just wanted to say, it's been resolved.
2012-10-10 20:34:01

SuperBuuExtreme

idk if if my post got deleted or something since i don't see it here.. don't think im breaking any rules but if i am then im sorry, pretty new here :/ but reposting just in case.

@Scar-faced Bandit (last page) thanks for the recommendation, i'll check it out later when i have some time

@Roketto no problem xD kinda surprised noone here found out about it yet

As for the new page.. not much to say except its another page of Bojack getting dominated by Cell. Pretty boring imo, but what can i say lol
2012-10-10 20:35:13

Myjeansaretooskinny

Bojack never as strong as even SPC. SPC was at least as strong as SSJ2 Gohan and SSJ2 Gohan beat the piss out of Bojack. Bojack was probably halfway between SSJ and SSJ2 Gohan.
2012-10-10 20:35:36

Burcol

@Davidstarlingm they're pretty cool man. I love number two with the three super saiyans. I bet that one would look awesome if it was in colour with a brutal aura around Trunks.
2012-10-10 20:50:19

Scar-faced Bandit

The art is great as always but what happened to Bojack's mouth in the 3rd panel?

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@Hife
>Well, yes, but isn't the same true for American and British English?
Oh ok I thought it might've been a bigger difference. It's always better to ask someone who lived in that region. When you read about it online, you never learn the details that come from first-hand experience. For example in foreign countries they're usually taught a formal-type of English but not the slang or street English spoken by the people living in those countries.

@Davidstarlingm
>If you think about it, that could actually serve as a measure of the success of a given work. Reviews, comments, and views are all relative to the fan base and its tendencies, but trolls represent a set percentage of any fandom. Hence, the rate of troll comments is more closely proportional to popularity than any other measure.
Good point. If you notice on the first few pages of Multiverse, there were few comments and most were nice. As it became more popular, trolls started popping up expressing their hatred for Multiverse and usually a comment about GT being better. Not only do they post one comment but they kept coming back over and over again with the negative comments. The most obvious question you'd ask is "If you hate the story so much why do you read? You could always spend your time doing something you enjoy." Most average trolls quit after such a difficult question to answer but the more skilled troll accepts it as a challenge. Those guys are like the Emperor Pilafs or the Team Rockets of the internet because they never give up.

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@Tiencha
>Also, I wouldn't much mind about winning. I'd more enjoy the participation, the interesting matches, and the characters meeting their alternate selves.
Instead of a tournament, the universes could be brought together to fight a cross-dimensional enemy. I think that was the story behind Final Fantasy: Dissidia where various FF heroes were called together.

And yea we do have a while to go. Some are still in the earlier sagas and some already take place after DBZ. In the meantime we could have a few of the artists working together on a crossover. It would probably be non-canon and just as a fun special. I think American Vigor and Davidstarlingm mentioned something about that regarding their stories.
2012-10-10 20:43:20

MattK

What's wrong with Bojack's mouth in the 3rd panel..?
2012-10-10 20:49:53

ImmaBlossom

I would have thought Cell would have said something a little more clever than "make me". Still works to taunt Bojack, just seems a little childish for him.

Also, Cell's not going to like that throw-up all over his nice shiny exo-skeleton. Bojack's just making it worse and worse for himself.
2012-10-10 20:50:52

Eldagusto

Cell Made Bojack Chunder!
2012-10-10 21:00:21

ssj4 Your nick

Looks a lot lke Bojack's U18 Gohan beat-up...And how much I love Cell trolling him to death...
2012-10-10 21:03:17

Some Dude

Colored version here

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/hu_HU/page-620.html

Why do they get the colors and we get stuck with black and white?
2012-10-10 21:15:20

Guess who it is

@Some Dude
>Why do they get the colors and we get stuck with black and white?
Because their mod colors them.
2012-10-10 21:19:03

Argilus

Hrm, wad kinda hoping for a turn of events but this will do. Curious, who will mop up the floor before the next match?
2012-10-10 21:19:04

Moxnix

My guess here is this, the fight will go on just long enough to leave just enough pannels for comments before either the next special or the next fight. Pan difused Kakorotto and now Cell is dismantling Bojack. Either one of the "bad guys" there could be looked at as the warrior that used to run amok, and in each case, they seem to be subdued in some mannor, Kakorotto by Pan's display of restraint and honor, and Bojack by being KO'd or killed by Cell.
2012-10-10 21:24:02

Yrnck

make me
2012-10-10 21:24:39

Saucemonkey

Well, I can't say I'm surprised by this outcome. Although I'm pretty sure Cell isn't even at full power yet, maybe around FPSSJ2 level so that he can easily decimate Bojack. I had a theory about Cell though, in that maybe he can "transform" into SSJ states at will since he has Saiyan genes in him and all. For instance, Perfect Cell at the beginning of the Cell games seemed to be around FPSSJ power, which I would say is Cell's base. After he spat up android 18 he turned back into Semi-Perfect Cell, so I would argue that he couldn't have gained such a massive power-up though a Zenkai alone, and that when he regenerated himself after blowing up he actually had achieved something of an SSJ form that was equal to an SSJ2. I think that's what Cell is using right now to fight Bojack, his own kind of "SSJ" form that would be roughly as powerful as an FPSSJ2. I believe that Cell may actually have his own kind of SSJ2 form that could go toe to toe with an SSJ3, but I'm not entirely positive on that one.

@Tiencha
>A. I'm not sure if all the writers you mentioned (American Vigor especially) would agree to it
I'm absolutely on board with this idea if we can get other people to agree with it. If we actually had such a collaboration it could turn out to be one of the most amazing fan created fan fics to a fan fiction of a popular Manga/Anime ever!

>B. I can't see it happening for a long time (we'd have to pick a time period for all of them to be picked up by the Vargas, which would have to be significantly after the start of the latest-starting one
Its true that we would all have a long way to go before the Vargas would come into play, I mean I've been writing Piccolo's Choice for two years now and I've gone from the beginning of Z to just after Frieza was defeated on Namek. But I don't plan on stopping anytime soon, and hopefully we can get people on board just as dedicated to writing it all the way through.

>So if we included continuations like Genetic Bridge and AZ, it could take even longer for everybody to reach the required time
Although they are great stories, I don't think it would be practical to add them to the tournament if we were to run with the idea. Although I'm sure that the writers of those fics would be more than happy to help in other aspects of the tournament, such as writing about the tournament itself or creating "specials" that could summarize the fan fics themselves.

Right now I'm just wondering what Davidstarlingm, npberryhill, Vigor and some other fic writers are thinking about this idea.

@Scar-faced Bandit
>Instead of a tournament, the universes could be brought together to fight a cross-dimensional enemy. I think that was the story behind Final Fantasy: Dissidia where various FF heroes were called together.
That actually sounds really awesome! I mean I like tournament idea, but this one actually sounds like it would make a better narrative. And just like in Dissidia, we could have it so that the "Evil" characters from the fics are pitted against the "Good" characters in an all out war!

@Roketto (last page)
I've sent you a note on your Deviantart account, just so you're aware!
2012-10-10 21:28:10

KillerBudgie

Ooh. That's gonna hurt in the morning!
2012-10-10 21:34:42

Yrnck

hungary gets colors from pages 615 and up -_-
2012-10-10 21:40:28

Leanne

Me thinks Bojack had a bit too much last night. I hope the puke doesn't get on Cell, he just might outright kill Bojack for that LOL.

Great page!
2012-10-10 21:43:39

Tyrik73

MORE NEWS! Dragonball Honor trip special Super Android 13 special will be available tommorow! Also i wonder if in the future if there will be a manga adaption of Dbht(based on its next season) like for Bod?
2012-10-10 21:48:34

Davidstarlingm

Hey -- I edited my original post -- it now includes a link to new art from Johan Dark, the amazing artist responsible for creating the U1 Special. Take a look!

@nick
>any one else notice the in panel 3 that bojack is missing a mouth
I think he's just very, very surprised.

@Crazy K (hife)
>Bojack used Bojack Barf! It is not very effective.
I lol'd.

>your mod sticky has a timestamp later than the next post. Did you edit it?
Yep.

>I'd say awareness/fame are more closely related to the troll rate.
Correlation does not prove causation, eh?

@Mleebs530
>Cell just seems more devious, sarcastic, comedic, & pragmatic than Buu was.
Buu is just a reworked Cell anyway.

@Tiencha
>the relatively fast-paced nature of my story means I might reach the end of the Buu saga at about the same time as some of the others.
Damn right. You move hella fast. It's like Raditz Saga, Saiyan Saga....BAM okay we're almost to the androids now.

>I'm not sure if all the writers you mentioned (American Vigor especially) would agree to it....
Well, we're all stealing Toriyama's characters, so what's the problem with taking our characters for a Multiverse Tournament 2.

In any case, I think Vigor would probably be fine with this....as long as Cell won, that is. ;) We're already planning an Honor Trip[i][i]Bringer of Death crossover eventually.

One thing to keep in mind for such a tournament -- lots of fanfics make characters WAY overpowered. I mean, SERIOUSLY FREAKING OVERPOWERED. Like "Oh, look, I unlocked Mystic SSj5." So there would have to be some sort of strength-leveler or handicaps or something. Otherwise Mystic Freaking Broly would just annihilate everyone. Except, of course, for BoD Super Saiyan 6 Gogeta....who would sneeze and kill Mystic Broly and destroy all of the multiverses.

By the way, I really liked your juxtaposition of "bringer of death" and "hope of the universe" in the last chapter. Nice touch.

@Burcol
>I love number two with the three super saiyans. I bet that one would look awesome if it was in colour with a brutal aura around Trunks.
Then color it!

@Saucemonkey
>>Instead of a tournament, the universes could be brought together to fight a cross-dimensional enemy. I think that was the story behind Final Fantasy: Dissidia where various FF heroes were called together.
>That actually sounds really awesome! I mean I like tournament idea, but this one actually sounds like it would make a better narrative. And just like in Dissidia, we could have it so that the "Evil" characters from the fics are pitted against the "Good" characters in an all out war!
That would be a good idea. Of course, we'd again need to have some way of limiting or handicapping the overpowered fighters.
2012-10-10 22:19:29

Tiencha

@Scar-Faced Bandit
>Instead of a tournament, the universes could be brought together to fight a cross-dimensional enemy. I think that was the story behind Final Fantasy: Dissidia where various FF heroes were called together.

That sounds pretty cool too. Personally, I would much prefer an 'alternate DBM', but I don't mind if we did the team-up. And hey, for the tournament we don't have to get all of the writers we necessarily want to participate--if we had 5 writers on board, we could enter four universes each--our main universe and three 'alternates' for it, maybe including Mirai timelines and versions where the villains won. Obviously, if there's a shared enemy who's pretty much the same in each universe (Frieza and family, for instance), there'd only be one universe with them in it (although you'd have to decide whose timeline they come from, i.e. what version of the heroes they defeated). And similarly, for instance with ten authors we'd all enter two, and anyway because of shared enemies and some stories having more 'alternate' possibilities than others, it'd likely not be even (all with two or four), but that's fine as it's unlikely that we'll get a 'round' number like five or ten.

Just to say this here, I'm absolutely up for whatever this crossover...thing...turns out to be. I think that makes about three or four of us, so far.

EDIT: @davidstarlingm
>By the way, I really liked your juxtaposition of "bringer of death" and "hope of the universe" in the last chapter. Nice touch.
Thanks, I hope that wouldn't be too cheesy. Anyway. I don't think I'd mind if my universe was one of the less powerful ones, I mean, they could still have a role in the story--like the early sagas and the good movies, where even the side characters have their part to play. And I think by the Buu saga I'll have some fairly strong characters, some of which may surprise you (and, if you're intelligent and good at predicting these sorts of things, some might not...) But, even if I end up relatively low-tier, in DBZ characters like Piccolo and Tien still got their moments, right?

Plus, clearly as soon as Raditz turns SSJ3 his hair will engulf all the other participants, making him win by default.

Oh, and do you think I should slow down a little? I mean, it just seems to come naturally, the pacing of the story, but do you think it's a bad thing that it's, well, as you put it, BAM?
2012-10-10 22:29:08

Gohandominates

@Davidstarlingm
>>>Instead of a tournament, the universes could be brought together to fight a cross-dimensional enemy. I think that was the story behind Final Fantasy: Dissidia where various FF heroes were called together.
>>That actually sounds really awesome! I mean I like tournament idea, but this one actually sounds like it would make a better narrative. And just like in Dissidia, we could have it so that the "Evil" characters from the fics are pitted against the "Good" characters in an all out war!
>That would be a good idea. Of course, we'd again need to have some way of limiting or handicapping the overpowered fighters.

Or make it to where some of the 'Villains' join up with the 'Hero's' due to grudges or things like that or even better have two armies the main dimensional threatening villain's army and the army with all the fanfic characters in another because if the Dimensional villain wins even the villains in other universes will die thus forcing them to put aside differences to work together. Also if that were to happen you could have the superbly overpowered tier characters tank(for lack of better word) the main villain(Who would be so op that it would be necessary) while the secondary tier characters take out the sergeants/generals and high ranking officers while the weakest of the characters take out the foot solders.

Whoo that was a pain to type.

But overall I would totally be up for something like that...Just gotta finish my story which might take a bit cause I was planning on writing at least up to the Buu saga.

@Crazy K (hife)
>Salagir explicitly stated, that XXI does not mean 21

Well there's goes that theory.

>As for C13, I think, any previously existing character, that already fought in DBZ would be totally anticlimactic after all this buildup for XXI...

Agreed, but I would still find it hilarious if it ended up being Garlic Jr. or invisible man from dragon ball... or wait for it waaaait for it....Super Saiyan Hercule!!!! Golden afroman to the rescue!
2012-10-10 22:34:31

Smoke

lets see...
2012-10-10 22:44:20

Super Gojita 3

What if XXI ends up being the guy we thought he was from before. The demon that sealed old kai. Salajir fucked up and forgot to hide that info and it got leaked prematurely. He may not even be the main villain. It was a red herring thrown out there to throw us off the scent of an already introduced villain like Zenbuu.

Seriously, what could top buu as far as power, intelligence, regeneration, and unique magical ability? He can turn you into a candy and eat you. An egg and squash you. An ice cube and watch you slowly melt and evaporate into death.

I've heard of the immortal of pandora, someone veggetto couldn't kill. A garlic jr. style guy who is so immortal, he was obliterated by vegetto, and then reformed. guy wants to die, but cannot. Is he XXI? I don't know.

Zenbuu is the main antagonist. the guy to beat. He is the ultimate nemesis. And he isn't out for any sort of conquest. Dude's just here to have fun.
2012-10-10 22:50:10

Red vs. Geno

Geno where are you?
2012-10-10 22:51:21

Rafael

Now Bojack kind of feels what Dabura felt when that special beam cannon pierced through his belly.

@Scar-Faced Bandit
>Instead of a tournament, the universes could be brought together to fight a cross-dimensional enemy. I think that was the story behind Final Fantasy: Dissidia where various FF heroes were called together.

Its a good idea, I thought about that too and even more, it could a continuation of DBM taking place few years, lets say 5 years after the multiverse tournament events so read my idea: XXI somehow survived DBM events and is back to crush our heroes and try to reshape all the universes on his own image on a new epic saga which go beyond the original 20 universes of DBM, with the help of the Vargas and their technology from U1 our heroes (and villians) from the original tournament will shift between new universes like Honor Trip universe, BoD Universe and few others searching for XXI(they eventually will team up with the heroes and villians of these universes to stop XXI) who is shifting and searching for a prime/central dimension of some kind and if he take control/merge with only this one dimension he could reshape all the multiverse becoming the Supreme God of the multiverse thus its of common interest of heroes and villians to team up in order to stop the demon XXI once and for all. I'll try to develop more this idea, I know its a little bit cliche but some good writer could develop it more but I basically mixed DC Countdown arc - The Search for Ray Palmer comics and that animation about Justice League - Crisis on two Earths ideas.
2012-10-10 22:53:41

Crescent Blue

Bojack better pick up the pace if he wants to have a remote chance at beating Cell! >:-D

Go get him Cell!
2012-10-10 23:05:37

Davidstarlingm

@Tiencha
>do you think I should slow down a little? I mean, it just seems to come naturally, the pacing of the story, but do you think it's a bad thing that it's, well, as you put it, BAM?
I don't know. BoD has a lot of character development -- not gratuitious, just necessary, but yeah. If you pace yourself a little, you will be less likely to get burned out, and your audience will enjoy it more. You will get more invested reviews.

I am always trying to push too far ahead in BoD; Berryhill always reins me in. The balance is somewhere in the middle. If you move too quickly, people take the story for granted.

@Gohandominates
>you could have the superbly overpowered tier characters tank(for lack of better word) the main villain(Who would be so op that it would be necessary) while the secondary tier characters take out the sergeants/generals and high ranking officers while the weakest of the characters take out the foot solders.
There's got to be some way to make a truly adversary-driven story that still balances character strength. Fusion Reborn tried to handicap characters a little with the whole melt-into-legos bit, but I'm sure there is a better way.

Perhaps large portions of the story take place in some kind of in-between 'verse, where spacetime is constricted and characters must voluntarily limit their movements in order to keep from tearing it apart, or something.

We'd have to get rid of the voluntary entry bit, I'm sure.
2012-10-10 23:26:23

Tiencha

@davidstarlingm
>There's got to be some way to make a truly adversary-driven story that still balances character strength. Fusion Reborn tried to handicap characters a little with the whole melt-into-legos bit, but I'm sure there is a better way.

>Perhaps large portions of the story take place in some kind of in-between 'verse, where spacetime is constricted and characters must voluntarily limit their movements in order to keep from tearing it apart, or something.

>We'd have to get rid of the voluntary entry bit, I'm sure.

Perhaps a villain whose power varies depending on who he's fighting? A sort of extension of the equal and opposite reaction theory (I know the science of this idea is extremely questionable, but bear with me)...they draw power from the 'negative' universal reaction of the enemies they fight, so the more good and pure of heart their opponent is, the more evil they become, and the more powerful the heroes are, the stronger the villain grows? Then this is added to their natural power, so they're always as powerful as all the people fighting them put together, plus a little bit more. That'd be a challenge. I thought of this mainly thinking of the whole 'positive/negative energy' idea in GT, and how, like so many other things in GT, it was wasted on vague justifications for sudden complete morality changes.

Or maybe there are certain abilities that some of the weaker characters have which are particularly effective against the villain for whatever reason, or something about the stronger ones makes them less effective. I'm not really sure, just throwing out ideas. I'm sure they've all been done before. In terms of 'superpowers' and abilities, most things have been done before. I still like the DBM-like idea better, but I'd be up for a grand multiversal threat/battle as well. I guess it's just that I've seen that kind of thing in many, many superhero crossovers, but this tournament version, I can't remember seeing anywhere besides here--it hasn't been done quite as much.

Oh, and point taken about pacing. I think it's partially just the way I write, but I'll try and keep in mind that spending a little more time on things can be a good idea.
2012-10-10 23:34:43

DragonballAT

Hay been reading Dragonball multiverse for a long time now and this is my first time commenting. I like the story and think it is an interesting concept and i think the art work that I've seen so far. Readding the comments on this page i have notice you coming up with plans to create your own mulitiuniverse fan fiction cross over story and i was going to say if you would like to you could use a villien that i created for my own fan fic. I don't want to flood the comments with a discription of the villen/ Background story but if anyone wants me to say what the concept of the villien is i would be more than happy to ablidge.

P.s please excuse my spelling im just a very bad speller
2012-10-10 23:40:09

I have no nick

Did-did Bojack just vomit? Ewwwww.
2012-10-10 23:49:46

Kakarotto Ka Power Level Kya Hai?

ANNOUNCEMENT!
Chapter 1 of Dragon Ball: The Genetic Bridge, called "Koenma", has been released at last! As of yet, I don't have a schedule developed, so I'll just release chapters as I see fit until I can find a suitable rate. The prologue you all saw earlier was just a little 'hook' to grab your attentions, so it seems it worked! Shenron's appearance as a villain will come soon, I promise. But first, I have to go through some flashbacks/background stories. This chapter specifically was a bit... difficult for me, as it doesn't suit my style. But it is a necessary addition, as it describes the background for a major character in both TGB and YYH.

Check it out here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8592127/2/The-Genetic-Bridge
Don't forget to follow on FF.net and leave an awesome review! Thanks so much for your support, guys!!


@Scar-faced Bandit
>Most average trolls quit after such a difficult question to answer but the more skilled troll accepts it as a challenge. Those guys are like the Emperor Pilafs or the Team Rockets of the internet because they never give up.
I believe my good buddy Cell has a response to them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLe_IsNnHYE


@Yrnck
>hungary gets colors from pages 615 and up -_-
That's because HomolaGabor (great dude, by the way. Love his art) is the translator for the Hungarian page, so he can see most pages before they're released. So with permission from Salagir, he's able to put HIS colored version online before others see it. he's only doing it for particularly memorable fights. His coloring isn't considered 'official' in any sense of the word. It's just a bit of fun.

@Scar-Faced Bandit
>Instead of a tournament, the universes could be brought together to fight a cross-dimensional enemy. I think that was the story behind Final Fantasy: Dissidia where various FF heroes were called together.
@Saucemonkey
>Although they are great stories, I don't think it would be practical to add them to the tournament if we were to run with the idea. Although I'm sure that the writers of those fics would be more than happy to help in other aspects of the tournament, such as writing about the tournament itself or creating "specials" that could summarize the fan fics themselves.
First off... in my story, the Vargas did reach my universe. And I'll guess that the other fics will end with the Vargas approaching and/or skipping their universes...

Also, assuming the entire First Multiverse Tournament doesn't flip upside-down, we have no idea when the next one would even happen... or even if it would even happen. I would prefer a cross-over, mainly because it would be a fun way in which all six of us could share a special chapter. I think it'd be wicked cool!


On a side note, I recently got a copy of Dragon Ball Z for Kinect... and despite the hate it's been getting, I think it's actually pretty fun. A lot of the hatred towards the game stems from hatred towards the Kinect (but that's a different story :P) DBZ for Kinect surprisingly has a lot of versatility in the attack combinations and provides a vigorous workout. It's a bit tough to get the poses right (especially for powering up), but in the end it's a good game and worth the 30 dollars. Normally, most XBox games are about 60 dollars, so I say it's a good deal. One thing that I am upset about, though, is the lack of multiplayer... but whatever. Hopefully, this game can be improved for later on... =D ... That's it for my rants today, guys xD
2012-10-11 00:09:46

MajinJoe

Am I the only one who listens to Cell's theme when he's fighting an opponent like right now?
Although I'm a fan of both Jap and Funi music- I must say the American Cell song is Perfect for his personality.

@Davidstarlinm
>Otherwise Mystic Freaking Broly would just annihilate everyone. Except, of course, for BoD Super Saiyan 6 Gogeta....who would sneeze and kill Mystic Broly and destroy all of the multiverses.

-RoflRoflRofl! Quick fun fact: I was reading a debate on a fight between Goku and Superman, and it's stated that Superman's ancestors could sneeze and destroy galaxies- LOL!
Impossibly ridiculous and retarded, yet I found it amusing that you used that reference- Consciously or Not
2012-10-11 00:16:04

Dr. Wheelo

Bojack will get serious now and start tossing Cell.
2012-10-11 00:24:13

Millgiass

People keep saying Bojack doesn't have a mouth in panel 3 but it's obvious his lips are puckered like he's holding back the puke.
2012-10-11 00:41:55

Super Krillin

Cell is turning into one of my favorites. Goodbye standard DBZ Hero's Hello DBZ Villain!
2012-10-11 00:42:59

Saint Nick

Pirate Vomit counterattack!
2012-10-11 03:57:47

L

>Gohandominates
>@Crazy K (hife)
>Salagir explicitly stated, that XXI does not mean 21

>Well there's goes that theory.

Not quite. As I recall, Salagir said XXI is pronounced in-universe as "K'See".

So the author says. If so, why mention the number of people in Bojack's gang (26)?

Salagir might try to deny it, but I'd bet money XXI is related to Bojack somehow. 26 - 21 equals 5, and that's just how many of Bojack's gang "survived" up until Bojack Unbound.

>Kaybag (below)
>If you read the novelisation it states bojack and his crew have already seen XXI and makes no mention of him knowing or recognising who XXI is.

Should we really trust Bojack to remember his former crew mates, especially when he couldn't remember how many he originally had, and apparently ran the 26-man group down to 5 survivors? You didn't mention if Zangya or Bujin explicitly stated they had no idea who XXI is.

And 20-30 something years have passed - in a world where "21/K'see" has somehow become the strongest fighter in his reality. No telling what may have happened to physically or mentally alter him.
2012-10-11 01:47:52

Syrias

@Scar-faced Bandit
Thank you very much for mentioning my fanfic in the DBM2 idea. I didntcknow you even knew it. Id say DBM2 should wait until there are at least 20 distinctly different fanfic universes donw by fans of dbm. Then we all should form a writing team. 2 or 3 three main writers. The rest compilw scenario ideas and write them up so the main writers can use the basic scenarios and expand on them with details. Every team mwmber gets the chance to veto stuff if their charcter is involved and is largely out of character.

The overall story should revolve around the bad guys threatening all universes and teams of the good guys chasing after teams of badguys, hopping through multitudes of universes in the process, sometimes involving timetravel. The badguys also stole and split all the dragonballs of the 20 universes.
2012-10-11 02:17:55

CrazyBuu

the oath of a troll.

i swear to annoy others in the best possible way in order to provide necessary entertainment to the internet masses.
i swear to be an asshole when needed in order to anger an further annoy people.
i swear to always lurk in the dark corners of the internet in order to ambush unsuspecting Joes with troll tactics.
i swear on my pointy ears and sharp tusk that i will never give up on a challenge for i am a troll!


and this is what happens when i am bored.

also this page, someone lost their lunch and their pride!

[IMAGE]
2012-10-11 02:34:30

MajinJoe

@CrazyBuu
> the oath of a troll.


Do you swear to take this vow in front of the old gods and the new?

2012-10-11 02:36:39

Crazy K (hife)

@ Davidstarlingm:
>Correlation does not prove causation, eh?
Haha, I wasn't even thinking that deep. I just thought of hatedoms and figured popularity is not necessary for a high troll rate, but awareness is.

@ Gohandominates:
>Agreed, but I would still find it hilarious if it ended up being Garlic Jr. or invisible man from dragon ball... or wait for it waaaait for it....Super Saiyan Hercule!!!! Golden afroman to the rescue!
That would be an epic troll move. xD
I wouldn't know whether I should laugh my ass off or make a plan to kill Salagir.

@ L:
>Not quite. As I recall, Salagir said XXI is pronounced in-universe as "K'See".
You're right. (Though he just said Ksee, I don't know why people keep adding hyphens or apostrophes.)
But I still think that statement makes it less likely for XXI to be a number.

>Salagir might try to deny it, but I'd bet money XXI is related to Bojack somehow. 26 - 21 equals 5, and that's just how many of Bojack's gang "survived" up until Bojack Unbound.
Or that is just a coincidence or a red herring. You could make tons of similar assumptions by adding and subtracting numbers of contestants or universes. Maybe it was just to show how little Bojack cares about his team.

@ Skar-faced Bandit:
>Oh ok I thought it might've been a bigger difference. It's always better to ask someone who lived in that region. When you read about it online, you never learn the details that come from first-hand experience.
As I said, it's mostly a dialect, so you can easily understand it. Of course there are some bad cases that you can hardly understand, but you can have the same with certain accents within Germany as well. ^^

>For example in foreign countries they're usually taught a formal-type of English but not the slang or street English spoken by the people living in those countries.
True, but I guess that's the sensible thing to do. That way everyone will understand you. Imagine foreigners would learn different English dialects and each mix in their own different accents. ^^
2012-10-11 02:39:15

Prince Vegeta

@Marvelous Hulk
>Hah! Love the second panel.

We love all the panels!
2012-10-11 03:08:28

Kaybag

@L
>Gohandominates
>@Crazy K (hife)
>Salagir explicitly stated, that XXI does not mean 21

>Well there's goes that theory.

>Not quite. As I recall, Salagir said XXI is pronounced in-universe as "K'See".

>So the author says. If so, why mention the number of people in Bojack's gang (26)?

>Salagir might try to deny it, but I'd bet money XXI is related to Bojack somehow. 26 - 21 equals 5, and that's just how many of Bojack's gang "survived" up until Bojack Unbound.

If you read the novelisation it states bojack and his crew have already seen XXI and makes no mention of him knowing or recognising who XXI is.
2012-10-11 03:17:22

CrazyBuu

@MajinJoe

depends on what god? there's a god that trolls people in every religion. Loki is one, so i swear to Loki? Loki that's your Que to appear again. Jerk.
2012-10-11 03:19:07

TheDrewSaga

This fight is a DBM example of "Trolls Trolling Trolls", with such a comical fight, I think I can wait a little bit for Vegetto vs XXI where shit starts hitting the ceiling.
2012-10-11 04:05:45

Skar-faced Bandit

@Saucemonkey
>That actually sounds really awesome! I mean I like tournament idea, but this one actually sounds like it would make a better narrative. And just like in Dissidia, we could have it so that the "Evil" characters from the fics are pitted against the "Good" characters in an all out war!
I've only seen the trailer for Dissidia. By the end of each Final Fantasy, the villain was usually killed so I didn't understand how they were all there. Unless they were all pulled out of their respective universes before the ending. The nice thing about FF characters is that they're all somewhat comparable in power so the fights would be more even. Some are stronger than others of course but it's not like DBZ where one character is a million stronger than another.

@Davidstarlingm
>Except, of course, for BoD Super Saiyan 6 Gogeta....who would sneeze and kill Mystic Broly and destroy all of the multiverses.
Too bad because BoD Vegeta would be even less likely to perform the Fusion Dance than U18 Vegeta!!!

@Kakarotto Ka Power Level Kya Hai?
>One thing that I am upset about, though, is the lack of multiplayer...
Huh??? A fighting game without multiplayer? I assume they most likely offers online play but still that's bullshit!
By the way I loved the first chapter! It brings back memories from watching the classic Yu Yu Hakusho. I'll have to download it and watch it again to refresh my memory. Last time I watched it was with my homeboy TOM during the good old Toonami days.

@Saucemonkey, Davidstarlingm, Tiencha, Rafael, Gohandominates, & Kakarotto Ka Power Level Kya Hai?
We probably wouldn't be able to have an army of villains. Most of the fan fics featured the same DBZ villains from the Kold Empire, Cell and the androids, Buu to some movie villains so there wouldn't be much variety on the villains side. Since most of them would be dead, the multidimensional bad guy would also have to bring them back to life. If he has that kind of power then he probably wouldn't need an army of weaker villains.

Anyway we might be able to use XXI but we would have to wait to see what or who he is. He might be a very powerful adversary or just weak to throw us off. What about Buu? Super Buu was able to break through the Hyperbolic Time Chamber so hypothetically a much stronger version of Buu could break through to an entirely different universe. Basically he would be like Zen Buu except this bastard absorbed everyone in his universe and then teleported to Other World and Hell and absorbed everyone there too!!! Also another dimension-breaking, reality warping villain is Janemba. What if he won in his universe and continued to absorb negative, evil energy? When Buu absorbs someone, he absorbs all their available ki. So if someone's power level was 100 then the most Buu could get out of them was 100 PL points. Negative energy might be different. If people are having evil, naughty thoughts and Janemba "eats" them to become stronger, that wouldn't stop them from having other evil thoughts. Hypothetically Janemba has an unlimited supply of evil energy to absorb! Janemba would be kicking back in King Yemma's chair and every evil thought and sin in the universe would flow back to him.
Buu has almost every useful ability imaginable: intangibility, regeneration, magic, ki, teleportation, learn any technique by looking at it, infinite stamina, absorption, near-immortality...it wouldn't be easy to create a more threatening villain without them being too Mary Sueish. Janemba has almost the same abilities other than absorption.

@XXI people
I did a Google Image search on XXI and I made an interesting discovery...
[IMAGE]
Who is this Black Butte? I did a search on that and found out there's a place called Black Butte Ranch. Ranch is a type of dressing. The Wikipedia article indicates that "Ranch dressing is a condiment made of some combination of buttermilk, salt, garlic, onion, herbs (commonly chives, parsley, and dill), and spices (commonly black pepper, paprika, and ground mustard seed), mixed into a sauce." Hmmm Garlic...could there be a connection? Ranch dressing can be found "trapped" in a jar similar to how Garlic Jr was trapped in the Dead Zone. Perhaps XXI is the overlord of the Dead Zone!

@XXI/Bojack
Salagir stated that U5 diverged over 1000 years before Dragonball began. Bojack was been sealed for about 2000 years. XXI could've been the original Captain of Bojack's crew! Then again Salagir only said over 1000 so that could be 2000 or 50 million years ago for all we know.

@Crazy K Hife
>True, but I guess that's the sensible thing to do. That way everyone will understand you. Imagine foreigners would learn different English dialects and each mix in their own different accents. ^^
You'd be surprised! I had a cousin who learned British English in school and when he came to the US he learned the American English. Now he has like a mix-and-match between both when he writes. By the way what's with the name change?
2012-10-11 03:39:06

Tressler

>Loki that's your Que to appear again
He is still recovering from Hulk slamming his "punny god" butt around, give him a few years to recover..
Until then you can make your oath to Kenny (south park), after all, who else is strong enough to troll death on a daily basis?
2012-10-11 04:05:24

Argilus

Curious if anyone has seen the K8K Productions teaser yet? And what you think about it so far?

I'm eager to see the finished works to the project. I think it'll look grand.

http://youtu.be/ZX5DmV81kmA
2012-10-11 04:25:50

Super sonic 3

uh... no offense @super gojita 3, but did you get any reference from that name? l:-L
2012-10-11 04:38:09

supervegeta

this is a fan manga on DeviantARt and it is awaesome


http://malik666.deviantart.com/gallery/9801062?offset=0#
2012-10-11 05:59:38

Thereal007

I'm guessing cell is at about the power level of a ssj 2.5 or like a very weak ssj3. He seems to taking bojacks stuff pretty easily and is about to lay the hurt on him. I sense Cell will bring out vegetas new form. After he unveils his new form vegeta will wipe the floor with cell
2012-10-11 06:30:04

Gogia

I actually hope that Cell's not at his max right here. That would be disappointing.

He should beat Vegeta.
2012-10-11 06:45:37

CrazyBuu

cell is just toying around.

@Tressler

isn't that because his parents did some sort black magic ritual that makes Kenny be born over again and then in the morning he grows back to the same age he was when he died?

@Skar-faced Bandit

all the characters on dissidia are basically just memories brought to life by the goddess of order cosmo or what ever her name is and the god of chaos, chaos who is Garland or what ever his name is, to fight in an endless war to keep balance between the forces of chaos and order, in which case the guarding of light is rumored to be cid from the first final fantasy series. or something like that.



god damn i spoiled alot of things, next thing you know snape kills dumbledoor, the lion dies in naria and XXI is revealed to be Buu's great ancestor. Like any of those things ever happened. hehe
2012-10-11 07:39:53

Dbz hero

Bojacks is a gonnerr but what vegeta is cell going 2 have 2 fight universe 18 or the other one who I call prince vegeta if its 18 he should beat cell withs ssj3 so he can fight goku as ssj3 on evn terms if its the other vegeta it should be cell who wins don't know y just not a fan of the other unviserse I'm all 4 universe 18 all day. Btw what is bringer of death is it good will som1 plz tell me where I can find this or any other decent fanfic I'm not picky like I've also heard dbz az is pretty good as well. Also just wanted 2 say I love Dbz and DBM as well and not just 4 the comic this web page is awsome and well thought out and it's full of reasonable, funny, and just plain awsome ppl who post comments that makes u think and reevaluate ur opinions I've learned alot about dbz frm every1 and it means alot cuz dbz is my passion so thanks evry1 and keep up the ideas and comments. Lastly I heard somthing about a yu yu hakusho cross over with dbz and I would love 2 c this any info on that would also be highly appriceated thanks and if I must say i feel like I've finaly found a place where I belong and every understands me ( in a not creepy kind of way )
2012-10-11 07:43:05

Marzera

@CrazyBuu

You do realize that is not trolling, right?
2012-10-11 07:58:03

nin

wow, the art is very good, as if it is an official comic.
2012-10-11 08:31:04

Gyurci

Hey guys!
>how come you guys get color but not the english ones?!
Hungarians are the only color pages, Hungarian because it does.
2012-10-11 08:44:45

bah

But man, holy shit this makes me wonder if this cell is stronger than U18 vegeta or not O_o ?
2012-10-11 09:24:33

konata5

RAPE! 9999 damage Bojack has 1 HP left cell uses absorb cell gained 5 million power level points lol cell leveled up alot gast is fell uneasy he uses a potion lol ...my little rpg things suck lol
2012-10-11 09:58:15

YANA

Cue Mortal Kombat voice: FINISH HIM!
I wish the dialog was a bit better on this page though...

There's no way he would show his full power against the likes of Bojack. Besides, it makes more sense that Cell would slowly reveal more and more of his immense power, just like in the DBZ show.
It will be cool to eventually find out just how strong he has truly become. I hope he will be able to hold his own against the top fighters.

Also, those colored pages are awesome.
2012-10-11 10:05:10

cell rules!

bojak is going to pay the price
2012-10-11 10:36:53

HomolaGabor

the new color pages:
http://homolagabor.deviantart.com/#/d5hjpnl
2012-10-11 11:08:13

EmmaLovesTrunks

so, that's... blood?
2012-10-11 13:23:53

Some_weirdGuy

@Gohandominates
>Strong guys tank big bad, weaker guys take minions
@Davidstarlingm
>"There's got to be some way to make a truly adversary-driven story that still balances character strength". concept of eggshell universe
@Tiencha:
>concept of Negative energy baddy whose strength is based on strength of good guys

GT did have some good concepts on this train of thought, even if they didn't use them very well, or just basically copied them from previous villains in some cases:
# Bebi's body snatching,
# Haze Shenron's ki-weakening pollution,
# Naturon Shenron's absorption of pan,
# Goku lost stamina from being a kid again(yeah, that was meant to be a thing even if it... kinda wasn't used much at all),
# the Para brothers boogie,
# and Rildo's regeneration.
(Most of these were executed pretty badly or half-assedly or whatever, but the basic premise was there).

Z also explored these less head-on methods of balancing out the heroes strength in a couple of ways too, such as:
# ginyu's body swap,
# guldo's time freeze,
# androids energy absorption,
# dabura's stone spit,
# babidi's magic/mind control to and extent,
# or cell and later buu's regeneration abilities,
# as well as the buu's absorption as well.

GT's Bebi was actually a pretty clever concept in this respect, since he's an enemy who can quite literally use the Z fighters own strength against them, and also plays off the 'hurt me and you hurt you hurt the host' thing with innocents being used as a 'shield' to weaken the heroes resolve.

However, personally i hate that kind of method for 'weakening' the hero (so Naturon Shenron was annoying). Them holding back because of some outside concern is just a cop out (probably why I'm not a big fan of your 'step on eggshells cause this universe is fragile' idea David), and is generally an approach I find pretty unsatisfying when they try to play it up to any solid extent.


(you'll notice buu didn't really play up the whole 'you can't kill me or your family and friends i have absorbed will die!' despite having this ability, which i think was a good call. I mean, the fact he had them was referenced, but it didn't really hide behind them as a shield or anything and the heroes didn't really hold back because of it either... but i'm going off topic)

I agree that's it's actually much better to come up with some clever way for the enemy to be a threat to the heroes, rather than just continuing to ramp up the enemies strength to even more ridiculous levels, increased power is actually a tired cliche that was worn out to it's last threads during the buu saga...

There are plenty of other variations or unexplored avenues of this concept of counter-balancing the heroes strength in ways other than simply raw power, the fun part is coming up with a clever idea on how to do it ;)

(I myself have a couple such concepts which I think would be very neat, hopefully will get to use them in a fanfiction or something of my own XD ... if that ever happens)
2012-10-11 15:02:02

Sharron

Am i the only one who thinks cell looks hot in the 2nd panel?
(where he blocks bojack's attack/punch)
2012-10-11 16:09:13

Davidstarlingm

For anyone who's interested, I uploaded an HD version of JohanDark's "Brave Sword" art, so make sure you take a look. His detail is amazing.

@Tiencha

Great job on the latest chapter. Spoiler: And I'm psyched about this female Super Saiyan. I was like, "Dang, this is really sticking too close to....oh wait, never mind. This is cool." Very curious to hear her backstory.

I was a little disappointed that you didn't spend more time on intervening events. Obviously, neither did Toriyama, but....a little bit of what-has-been-going-on would have been nice. Here's to hoping you illuminate some of the Earthlings' adventures/activities in flashbacks.

And where the HFIL is Vegeta?

>power-varied villain they're always as powerful as all the people fighting them put together, plus a little bit more. That'd be a challenge.
Challenge, sure -- but then how are they defeated? Someone so strong that the mechanism whereby they draw power is overloaded? I dunno.

>maybe there are certain abilities that some of the weaker characters have which are particularly effective against the villain for whatever reason, or something about the stronger ones makes them less effective.
It's definitely a tricky proposition.

>I still like the DBM-like idea better, but I'd be up for a grand multiversal threat/battle as well. I guess it's just that I've seen that kind of thing in many, many superhero crossovers, but this tournament version, I can't remember seeing anywhere besides here.
It would be best if it was a combination of both. A non-optional tournament with nefarious undertones, but a tournament nonetheless.

@Kakarotto Ka Power Level Kya Hai?
>I'll guess that the other fics will end with the Vargas approaching and/or skipping their universes.
Indeed.

@MajinJoe
>I was reading a debate on a fight between Goku and Superman, and it's stated that Superman's ancestors could sneeze and destroy galaxies- LOL!
The best Goku/Supes crossover I've ever seen was written by puiwaihin and is available here. Truly excellent.

@Crazy K (hife)
>he just said Ksee, I don't know why people keep adding hyphens or apostrophes.
Pronunciation guide, I guess. Without the apostrophe, the K could be mistaken for a silent letter. Or it could be pronounced "ts'ee".

@Skar-faced Bandit
>BoD Vegeta would be even less likely to perform the Fusion Dance than U18 Vegeta!
Orly?

What makes you think that?

>Perhaps XXI is the overlord of the Dead Zone!
Loved this.

>GT's Bebi was actually a pretty clever concept in this respect, since he's an enemy who can quite literally use the Z fighters own strength against them, and also plays off the 'hurt me and you hurt you hurt the host' thing with innocents being used as a 'shield' to weaken the heroes resolve.
Isn't that what Babidi's Majin Spell did with Vegeta?

>Them holding back because of some outside concern is just a cop out (probably why I'm not a big fan of your 'step on eggshells cause this universe is fragile' idea David), and is generally an approach I find pretty unsatisfying when they try to play it up to any solid extent.
Yeah. I was thinking more about limiting the type of attacks/techniques than their all-out exertion. I dunno. It's tricky.

DBM2 would need an opponent better than Buu. So, then....who would be able to pose a threat to Buu?
2012-10-11 16:49:18

Rizla420

XXI has to have something to do with Janemba, as Janemba is the only of the main villains who didn't really make it to DBM. Not counting the weaklings in such as lord Slug etc. My guess is XXI is some final form of Janemba, as we saw him already go through 1 methamorphose, so why not 2nd?? I really hope he is Janemba thou. One of my favourite villains in all dragon balls! Buu & Vegeta ofc <333333

And to all you saying need some1 stronger than Buu.... well I say how about a rogue Vegetto? there we go bye bye Buu :D
2012-10-11 17:10:50

dude

Off topic.. Has anyone seen what happened to Yamamoto in the bleach manga? Holy crap...
2012-10-11 17:21:47

Damian

Can't wait for Cell to kill Bojack XD

@dude Yeah I saw what happened and I didn't like it. The quincy are a bunch of cowards using cheap tricks and such to win. Hopefully ichigo puts them in their place soon and by that I mean 6 feet under.
2012-10-11 17:25:53

SOMEGUY

@HomolaGabor
Purple? I can't tell it's blood or...
2012-10-11 17:41:20

Samurai190

Did Cell just perform the first half of the famed "Soaring Dragon Strike"?
2012-10-11 18:08:10

Foolish

@dude I hate Bleach. The one time in the entire series the strongest shinigami becomes useful, and he dies. What tripe. I'm glad I stopped reading years ago.
2012-10-11 18:22:35

Jordan_X

Bojack "Shutup!"
Cell: "Make me!"
lol
2012-10-11 18:32:56

ℛoketto



Oh, this is just so much fun to watch... >:^J Sic 'im, Cell!

Previous Page:

@ L:
Awesome! BoD has a Tropes Page...well there goes my free time...

@ Scar-faced Bandit:
>You never know Frieza might get bored of being good and find a way to kill the heroes >=D!
Hmm, could be a possibility, but I'll need to see if the character development will allow for that.

This Page:

@ Davidstarlingm:
>Is that blood, vomit, rum, or a mixture thereof?
...I really didn't need to ponder that. D^x See, this is why you shouldn't eat before a fight.

@ Saucemonkey:
>I've sent you a note on your Deviantart account, just so you're aware!
Thanks! I'm about to leave for work, but I'll see if I can't get to it tonight.

@ Skar-faced Bandit:
>Black Butte theory
Dude, this is the epitome of an Epileptic Tree. xD

@ Samurai190:
>Did Cell just perform the first half of the famed "Soaring Dragon Strike"?
References? I'd like to make the comparison.

2012-10-11 18:39:23

dreed

@Damian

haha. i love them because they use cheap tricks. same reason why I consider Mayuri to be one of the best characters in the manga. Fair fight is reserved for morons. Tricks, backstabbing, bluff. those are tools of a true warrior.
2012-10-11 18:54:59

Davidstarlingm

@ℛoketto
>BoD has a Tropes Page...well there goes my free time...
Can't wait.

>>Did Cell just perform the first half of the famed "Soaring Dragon Strike"?
>References? I'd like to make the comparison.
Soaring Dragon Strike was one of the names given to the one-two-punch attack by SSj2 Teen Gohan that crippled Perfect Cell.

The posing/angle DOES seem very similar. Cell's punch went rather deep into Bojacks' chest, directly below the solar plexus. The lighting around Cell is the same as the lighting around Gohan. The look on Bojack's face is similar to the look on Cell's. The speed lines around the punches are identical.

[IMAGE]

2012-10-11 18:52:24

Veya

Wait... is that vomit or blood? please let it be blood...
2012-10-11 18:55:11

Tiencha

@davidstarlingm
>It would be best if it was a combination of both. A non-optional tournament with nefarious undertones, but a tournament nonetheless.

Hmm, I guess you could amp up the tension by having all attempts to get out of the tournament structure be thwarted easily, putting the pressure on to find a way to beat whoever's organising it.

>latest chapter, etc.
Hmm, I could have spent more time on the intervening period, but that was really what the Earth segment of chapter 19 was for. They pretty much just sat around, celebrating being alive and eating burgers. Well, obviously some of them trained, but not mega-seriously in preparation for any particular threat. Which is about to change. As we all know.

>@Skar-faced Bandit
>>BoD Vegeta would be even less likely to perform the Fusion Dance than U18 Vegeta!
>Orly?

>What makes you think that?

Well, at this point in the story anyway, I really don't see him as being at all likely to do the fusion dance--his pride and dislike of Goku, the main two things that'd stop him doing that, are both pushed to greater heights in BoD.

>DBM2 would need an opponent better than Buu. So, then....who would be able to pose a threat to Buu?
That is tricky. Majin Broly? Mystic Buu? Super Saiyan 3 King Vegeta?
2012-10-11 19:19:29

protoman rises

episode 83
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lXWjgP1pOc
2012-10-11 19:32:01

Argilus

Well, currently waiting for the next page so.....anyone know of some great D-B fanfic's with quality writing? Doesn't have to be cannon but not glorified spot light either. Hit me up if I miss your post.(name.)


2012-10-11 19:39:58

Saucemonkey

@Tiencha
>Hmm, I guess you could amp up the tension by having all attempts to get out of the tournament structure be thwarted easily, putting the pressure on to find a way to beat whoever's organising it.
But you would have to find a way to stop the competitors from attacking each other. If it would be non-optional, than there would be a lot of evil people looking to get some kind of revenge or finish off the good guys of the tournament, so would there just be rules in place that if you fight out of the ring than you die? Sounds like more of a horror story than anything in that case, with the fighters all being constantly watched and surveyed, not being able to escape by any means and death being the price of breaking any single rule.

@Davidstarlingm
>DBM2 would need an opponent better than Buu. So, then....who would be able to pose a threat to Buu?
Perhaps an Eldritch Abomination that uses the power and enegry of all the fighters in the tournament and uses it as some kind of fuel to power himself. Say that it could have been doing this for centuries, gathering so much power that now, instead of only dragging people to its universe, it could actually travel to different universes itself. Of course, it would take a lot to figure out who the real threat is, but once the characters find out than they'll all be forced to work together against it.
2012-10-11 19:43:32

Tyrik73

Tiencha Not only that but U18 goku would scare the crap out of Bod Vegeta by just going ssj1.
2012-10-11 19:48:06

Ledgic

@Davidstarlingm
>The posing/angle DOES seem very similar. Cell's punch went rather deep into Bojacks' chest, directly below the solar plexus. The lighting around Cell is the same as the lighting around Gohan. The look on Bojack's face is similar to the look on Cell's. The speed lines around the punches are identical.

Except Toriyama drew it better. ;P

Seriously though, I've been noticing more and more, that Salagir is copying DB/Z a little too much lately, and hasn't really been coming up with his own ideas for fighting moves since the Broly vs Vegito fight.
2012-10-11 19:50:15

Tiencha

@Tyrik73
>Tiencha Not only that but U18 goku would scare the crap out of Bod Vegeta by just going ssj1.
Only because he's at Buu saga level. By the time BoD Vegeta gets to that point, he could be just as powerful.
2012-10-11 19:50:52

npberryhill

@Tiencha

Actually, Vegeta's dislike of Goku has not been pushed to new heights in BoD. His pride...definitely, but he was the first SSJ, not Goku. Because of that, Goku never surpassed him. Last time they fought, on Namek, Vegeta won handily. The prince even mentioned that nobody taught Goku much about the Saiyans or their heritage, so it's not entirely his fault. So, comparing time periods...Vegeta doesn't hate Goku near as much as in Canon. However, he doesn't respect him as much either.
2012-10-11 19:55:16

Tyrik73

Tiencha Not only that but U18 goku would scare the crap out of Bod Vegeta by just going ssj1.
2012-10-11 20:01:30

Gyurci

Great! :)
2012-10-11 20:06:25

dude

@dreed

Mayuri is one of my favs, along with Kenpachi and Byakuya... I don't really read for Ichigo much. I'm a dork so I keep up with Naruto as well. That and Hajime No Ippo..

@davidstarlingm

Thought this was interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...yer_embedded&v=YXh9RQCvxmg


Of course I'm not an astrophysicist, but to the common folk such as myself it was pretty cool.
2012-10-11 20:22:09

Angel

Yucky :P
2012-10-11 20:55:56

chocho978

This is the prologue of my story(if you didn't watch Great Saiyaman Saga, see this other wise don't):Gohan: Savior of the Universe
2012-10-11 21:01:58

Marakanis

I wish I could read BoD. I'm way too much of a Goku fanboy and hate the idea of Vegeta as the strongest and main character too much :(. I need help.
2012-10-11 21:05:16

Friezahater

I think this Super Perfect Cell is as strong as Goku SSJ3, making him stronger then Base Vegito. I always loved Cell, it is a pitty that they didnt make him stronger then Buu. He really deserves that.
2012-10-11 21:11:35

chris

he will get beaten
2012-10-11 21:19:34

Nor Rikka

Perfect Cell! <3
2012-10-11 21:20:29

npberryhill

@Marakanis

I'm a fan of Goku too, and in no way does he get side-stepped. In fact, he has lots of really cool roles to play the U18 Goku probably would have loved doing. And Vegeta becomes SSJ first, but that doesn't mean he will be the strongest character. In fact, at this point in the story Spoilers he isn't. I strive to really develop everyone's character and present them all with challenges and opportunities. Give BoD a chance, man, and if you think Goku gets written poorly or treated unfairly, say so--btw so far I haven't had anyone say that.
2012-10-11 21:33:59

Davidstarlingm

@Tiencha
>you could amp up the tension by having all attempts to get out of the tournament structure be thwarted easily, putting the pressure on to find a way to beat whoever's organising it.
Like Babidi's ship, I suppose.

>Vegeta's pride and dislike of Goku, the main two things that'd stop him doing that, are both pushed to greater heights in BoD.
Well, berryhill hinted at this, but although Vegeta's pride is certainly given a boost, his hatred of Goku isn't. Not so much. Simply by virtue of the fact that he is the strongest, he doesn't feel so supplanted.

In DBZ, Vegeta finally came to terms with Goku because he knew Goku was stronger and "gave up", more or less. DBM has kind of redeemed him, but not entirely. In BoD, Goku and Vegeta will be more likely to meet in the middle.

@Saucemonkey
>Sounds like more of a horror story than anything in that case, with the fighters all being constantly watched and surveyed, not being able to escape by any means and death being the price of breaking any single rule.
Well, dark is good. Right?

@Tyrik73
>U18 goku would scare the crap out of Bod Vegeta by just going ssj1.
Dabura would scare the crap out of BoD Vegeta right now.

Doesn't mean Dabura is stronger than Vegeta will someday be.

@Ledgic
>Salagir is copying DB/Z a little too much lately, and hasn't really been coming up with his own ideas for fighting moves since the Broly vs Vegito fight.
Eh, I like it. Gohan v Cell was very iconic. This whole fight paints Bojack as a reimagined Perfect Cell -- Cell even explicitly says that Bojack's power is the same as his was during the Cell Games. It makes sense to me.

@protoman rises
>currently waiting for the next page so.....anyone know of some great D-B fanfic's with quality writing?
Not to brag, but....Bringer of Death?

@Marakanis
>I wish I could read BoD. I'm way too much of a Goku fanboy and hate the idea of Vegeta as the strongest and main character too much :(. I need help.
Well, if it helps you, Vegeta won't always be stronger than Goku. And Goku has his role to play -- one that, in my opinion, is even more awesome than the one he played in canon.
2012-10-11 21:44:32

Saint Nick

@Davidstarlingm
Watch Bojack puke up Zangya...whatever's left of her.
2012-10-11 21:48:19

CrazyBuu

@Marzera

yes i do, but the thing is i quit being a troll here a long time ago. now i am just crazy. though i cant be crazy if i actually acknowledge my craziness since that would not make any sense that i a crazy person actually realizes that i am indeed crazy. do you get it?
2012-10-11 21:56:19

BuuNiverse

@Dude

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT SHARE!

I was really entertained and found all that VERY INTERESTING

I'm a big fan of Stephen Colbert and Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Also love Georgio Tsukolos. HAHAHAHA

@CrazyBuu
I feel awkward reading your pointless posts that are random as if you have no intellectual dignity. also, I don't appreciate you making a mockery of Buu. I have a severe dislike as I am intelligent and Wise. Like Zen Buu, who views Kid Buu in a negative manner, so too do I view you. You are insane and crazy. I used to be like that once too. But not anymore. How old are you anyway? Grow up.
2012-10-11 22:02:00

Marakanis

@npberryhill and @Davidstarlingm

I did read a few chapters but I didn't have time to read more. I liked it even if I can't stand Vegeta when he's dominant in a story(especially if his personality is like that of canon Vegeta during the Namek/Androids sagas). I don't know exactly why, Vegeta just isn't well suited as a protagonist to me.
To be honest I'm a bit ashamed that I have this inhibition even when it comes to seemingly well writen stories. I usually don't obsess over fictional stories.

Some friends who read more of it told me that Goku's basically plays second fiddle to Vegeta, who is glorified throught the story. I probably shouldn't have listened to them since they're bigger fanboys than me but I've read other well writen stories which despicted Vegeta as the hero and figured this probably is the same since David seems to favor Vegeta in his comments.

I'll give it another go when I get time though. All this talk about it and the art work are almost forcing me to.
2012-10-11 22:29:25

Davidstarlingm

@Marakanis

Personally, I feel like Goku was short-changed in DBZ. All the time he spent training, working, fighting....becoming a Super Saiyan....and then he doesn't even succeed in killing Frieza. He never learns anything of his Saiyan heritage or culture or honor. In the original timeline, he dies in bed of a stupid virus. In the altered timeline, he arrived too late to fight Cold or Frieza, and STILL falls prey to a virus. When he finally recovers, he is surpassed by his son and ends up dying because his son was too stupid to kill Cell when he had the chance. In Otherworld, he achieves an awesome new Super Saiyan form....that can't be used in the real world with any reliability. He fights Vegeta and loses. Neglects to kill Fat Buu, and is thus responsible for the deaths of the entire human race. He doesn't fight Kid Buu at full strength and loses. In the end, he kills Kid Buu not with his own power, but by collecting power from the newly-resurrected people of Earth.

I wouldn't say that Vegeta is glorified per se. It's written to a great extent from his perspective, and there are certain ways that he is definitely awesome, but the story is about how Vegeta changes, not how he simply stays the same and beats everybody up. He makes mistakes along the way. He loses battles. He learns.

In one of the recent chapters, Vegeta takes Trunks to the ruins of Old Planet Vegeta and talks about what it means to be a Saiyan -- how, for all those years, he was fooling himself by thinking his strength was something to be proud of when there were beings like Frieza so many thousands of times stronger. Change takes time, but it is beginning.

Our goal is for both Vegeta and Goku to find peace with each other and with their new identities as both heroes and Saiyans.

I hope you do end up reading and enjoying!
2012-10-11 23:29:45

CrazyBuu

@BuuNiverse
i decided to respond maturely to you.

I am actually older then you might think with a lot of life experiences that left me basically without emotions for a very long time, i am also not a very social person. you should be amazed by that. coming here and acting stupid is a way for me to vent out some of my deep pent up anger, and that is why most of my comments are very odd. anyway you take things way to seriously, as to why i have no idea. but i shall look down on you for looking down on me for no reason really, you are not wise. wisdom comes with age and life experiences so people who are under at least 40 are not wise unless you have had a lot of problems in your life. do you know i get sick a lot and really fast, you probably didn't. but that is ok, looking down on people is something really stupid to do. you are only human, and humans can not look down on each other because all humans are equal. I am also an hypocrite but that is because i am human.


@ the cross over idea

you guys will need to watch out since your competitors are warriors that live to fight, well most of them. They would not want to stop a great evil instead they would rather fight each other, especially the villains. the villains are notorious for wanting to rule others and conquer planets right? how will you even manage to get them in one place without having them blow each other up?

but i guess if the evil is great enough they could with hold their natural urges.
2012-10-11 23:07:26

Kakarotto Ka Power Level Kya Hai?

@Saucemonkey
>But you would have to find a way to stop the competitors from attacking each other. If it would be non-optional, than there would be a lot of evil people looking to get some kind of revenge or finish off the good guys of the tournament, so would there just be rules in place that if you fight out of the ring than you die?
This is beginning to sound more and more like the plot to <SPOILER ALERT>the Avengers movie</SPOILER> ... and we all know how that turned out... Please don't tell me a crossover as epic as this would turn out as cheesy as that movie... I have higher expectations for you guys (not so much for myself, as I've never written a fanfic before =P) than that!
2012-10-11 23:32:00

Tiencha

>This is beginning to sound more and more like the plot to <SPOILER ALERT>the Avengers movie</SPOILER> ... and we all know how that turned out... Please don't tell me a crossover as epic as this would turn out as cheesy as that movie... I have higher expectations for you guys (not so much for myself, as I've never written a fanfic before =P) than that!

Point kind of taken, but I liked that movie...(you do mean the recent superhero movie, not the 80s or 90s non-superhero movie with Sean Connery as the villain, right?)

@npberryhill+davidstarlingm
You know, you're very good at looking at things in ways I don't expect. Keep doing that. Not that I hadn't noticed Vegeta's character development--I just thought he disliked Goku more due to the fact that Goku managed to accidentally get him killed. And that, but for Trunks' intervention, in the original timeline Vegeta spoiler. However, I do get what you're saying.

@CrazyBuu
>you guys will need to watch out since your competitors are warriors that live to fight, well most of them. They would not want to stop a great evil instead they would rather fight each other, especially the villains. the villains are notorious for wanting to rule others and conquer planets right? how will you even manage to get them in one place without having them blow each other up?

>but i guess if the evil is great enough they could with hold their natural urges.

Part of the fun would be their rivalries and disagreements, though. And it's not like the tournament in DBM has broken out into open warfare, so why should ours? Especially if--in our version--it's organised by somebody with nefarious aims, who'll directly intervene to stop out-of-ring fights.
2012-10-12 00:17:17

Elbadj

@ Cross over idea/DBM2

There would be certain scenarios that would be impossible to not take advantage of, though, should such a cross over occur. Raditz would have to descend into a depression over the fact that his father was right about him in every universe bar one. Zail would have to wonder why he's the only Namek who speaks in slang, yo. Gohan would receive confirmation that he is, in fact, an evil b******. Vegeta would have to have an existential crisis over the fact that he is so different in every universe. Goku would have to have an existential crisis over the fact that he is so similar in every universe. And clearly, at some point, BoD Vegeta and the Roketto Frieza would have to fuse to make the multiverse's ultimate (and bizzarest) warrior; Freegeta:

[IMAGE]
2012-10-12 00:19:49

Mur4tb4nK

Cell is winner :)
2012-10-12 00:46:09

Raniero

@dude
>Off topic.. Has anyone seen what happened to Yamamoto in the bleach manga? Holy crap...
Yeah, I read it. Juhabach is brutal. He's starting to remind me of Frieza. He reduced the leader and strongest of the Gotei 13 to nothingness. I'm starting to really love Bleach now that Kubo has finally started killing off characters so violently.
2012-10-12 00:54:14

Nate

Am I the only one who wants Bojack to survive the same way Dabura did. Just without Buu (or anyone else) being around to heal him.
2012-10-12 00:55:18

NeoMetalSonic

@Veya
>Wait... is that vomit or blood? please let it be blood...

Check the hungarian version. Some pages are coloured there.

@Saint Nick

>Watch Bojack puke up Zangya...whatever's left of her.

That's...gross...

@Crazy Buu

> with a lot of life experiences that left me basically without emotions for a very long time, i am also not a very social person. you should be amazed by that. coming here and acting stupid is a way for me to vent out some of my deep pent up anger, and that is why most of my comments are very odd.

We have some things in common, then. I guess the world was a bitch to us both...
Well, DBM and YouTube are good ways to socialize anyway...
2012-10-12 01:05:09

Dbz hero

Finally som1 posted a link 2 bringer of death i have 2 say I'm hooked and look forward 4 the next chapters btw its been around an hour since i started reading BoD and I'm on chapter 12 I can't seem 2 look away. Also y dose no1 respond 2 me is it cuz i don't have a picture?
2012-10-12 01:09:54

Kaosukage

@Saint Nick
>Watch Bojack puke up Zangya...whatever's left of her.

Um, why would he EAT Zangya? He may not care about her, but eating her would just be sickening! ...Or are you making a joke about how Cell coughed up 18? In that case, you made this joke in very bad taste... literally.
2012-10-12 01:18:37

CrazyBuu

@Tiencha

that is true.

@neometalsonic

one thing i have learned in my life is that life is short, and shit happens. i agree, honestly this is probably the most social activity i had in years. besides when someone randomly says they are going to kill themselves on either a site i used to watch anime from or an mmo rpg i used to play. ironically, i acted like a Psychologist, and help them at least i would like to think i did.

what is more ironic though is my life's goal, that goal being i want to help out everyone i can, and everyone that is within my power to help out.

@ fanfic club

i guess i should hurry and finish the prologue and chapter one of the fanfic i am starting about a female legendary super saiyan. yeah instead of Broly being born a male its broly being born a female. the only problem i really have is describing how characters look like, i just found that an annoyance but i think i finally got it. also here is a question, on fanfic.net do you publish each chapter separately or can they be in a single word document?


@bleach discussion

i stopped reading bleach after the aizen arc. is hell arc any good? aizen arc pissed me off.

@ no one

[IMAGE]

i have never watched that show, it scares me.
2012-10-12 01:52:45

ff

is anyone else pissed tht gohan isnt in the tournement hes clearly the top 3 in U18 why wouldnt he fight
2012-10-12 02:14:43

pinkkarl

You Know Who Likes Special Entertainment Like That...



...My Mom
2012-10-12 02:19:39

supervegeta

@Argilus
here is a story u might like


http://malik666.deviantart.com/gallery/9801062?offset=0
2012-10-12 02:39:31

Crazy K (hife)

@ Skar-faced Bandit:
>Perhaps XXI is the overlord of the Dead Zone!
That was great! Thank you. xD

>XXI could've been the original Captain of Bojack's crew!
I don't think so. Bojack doesn't seem to know him.
>Then again Salagir only said over 1000 so that could be 2000 or 50 million years ago for all we know.
If it was that long, he was definitely deliberately deceiving us. ^^

>Now he has like a mix-and-match between both when he writes.
Interesting. I think, I'm experiencing something similar, since I learned British English in school, but pick up certain American terms on the internet. With spelling, I usually stick to the British version I learned, but I flip-flop eg. between using movie and film. In many cases I don't even realise I'm using a typically American term.

>By the way what's with the name change?
If the accompanying Gravatar change worked, it would be more obvious. ^^"
EDIT: Wohoo, it did. You see now?

@ Davidstarlingm:
>Pronunciation guide, I guess. Without the apostrophe, the K could be mistaken for a silent letter. Or it could be pronounced "ts'ee".
Oh I see. A silent letter like that didn't occur to me. The hyphen just made me think of kay-see.

@ Davidstarlingm and npberryhill:
Wow, BoD really sounds interesting. I was planning on reading it for a long time, but never got around to. I guess I should really give it a try.
Who of you two is the one who usually posts as bringerofdeathDBZ on dA? Or will I always have to wonder which of you it might be? ^^"
(Fun fact: Ever since I heard you two knew each other, you became the two guys with the additional consonants in my mind. ^^)

@ CrazyBuu:
I enjoy a little randomness every now and then. You're my favourite domestic DBM pet troll. ^^
2012-10-12 02:42:17

Goku92

After reading a changed future: the adventures of gohan I have much more love for him.

I always liked 18 before she got with Krillin and the fact that Gohan's personality is more like a Sayians then Human I see him and 18 perfect for each other which is the main reason why I love that fanfic and of course I love their first 3 twins but when I see the other three fighting and stuff Im sure I will love them too.
2012-10-12 03:29:02

Davidstarlingm

@hife
>Wow, BoD really sounds interesting. I was planning on reading it for a long time, but never got around to. I guess I should really give it a try.Who of you two is the one who usually posts as bringerofdeathDBZ on dA? Or will I always have to wonder which of you it might be?
Looking forward to getting your comments and reviews!

I handle the publicity, by and large, so I'm the one usually commenting on DA. I do editing, publicity, site management, and about half the fight scenes. Berryhill does most of the writing.
2012-10-12 03:45:48

madara is the one

okay now when cell was well raped by gohan at the cell games and came back he was only half strong so why cant he kill bojack so quickly
2012-10-12 03:53:51

Equinox

I can't stand to watch comes back with chair and popcorn ....ah better. Kick his ass Cell.

2012-10-12 04:12:57

BuuNiverse

@CrazyBuu

No, Zen Buu does not like Kid Buu, therefore I do not like you...
2012-10-12 04:24:38

CrazyBuu

@BuuNiverse

dude, i never said that zen buu likes kid buu. i was not talking about him i was talking about you the human. not liking someone because of a fictional character is down right stupid and just plain ignorant. if you were so wise you would understand that you are but a mere feeble human in a very harsh reality. but really you don't have to like me. i really don't care about that. what i care about is the pathetic reason you came up with to hate me. At least hate me for who i am and not who my avatar is on an online site. Hating me for any other reason is just pure asinine. That is because i am human, and i take pride in being a feeble human that has to work hard to obtain what he wants.

and now because of you i have shown this side of me, who knows what repercussions will come from this. i hope you are proud, because my reputation here is probably destroyed.
2012-10-12 04:21:23

Ledgic

@Davidstarlingm
>Eh, I like it. Gohan v Cell was very iconic. This whole fight paints Bojack as a reimagined Perfect Cell -- Cell even explicitly says that Bojack's power is the same as his was during the Cell Games. It makes sense to me.

I don't mean it as a really bad thing, I just think he should put more work into his fight choreography, which I get is hard because he's on a schedule but still he should make up his own ideas.

The Vegeta vs Trunks fight was very good I will add, which seemed like mostly original material to me.
2012-10-12 04:25:44

konata5

question cell absorbs people and takes there energy right it also kills them to right than how does he puke out 18 where was she inside him cause goku blows his whole upper body away and vegeta blew helf of his body away suprissed she did no get puked up mising an arm and a leg
2012-10-12 04:42:31

RWD

Oh I am loving this :3
2012-10-12 04:53:39

BuuNiverse

@Crazy Buu

>and now because of you i have shown this side of me, who knows what repercussions will come from this. i hope you are proud, because my reputation here is probably destroyed.

It seems as though... THE TROLL HAS BEEN TROLLED!!! BA DUM TSSSS...

(btw, honestly, I like kid buu, I was lying about that haha)

And that will teach you twice about revealing your secrets to total strangers who don't even mean what they say 99% of the time...

And don't come say "lol I was jk about all that hahaha" coz it's not gonna work...
2012-10-12 05:01:09

dude

@ the arguing buus

ha

@Raniero

I'm enjoying this storyline so far. Although it's only getting started and it's reduced 75% of my favorite charecters to nothing, that seems to be what's keeping me interested...
2012-10-12 05:13:24

stone30

@konata5
>question cell absorbs people and takes there energy right it also kills them to right than how does he puke out 18
cell absorb humans by breaking their body ,so only the genetic material is absorbed
as for the android he absorbed their whole body, my guess is cell body has some kind of mechanism that allows the androids to regenerate same as him when they are damaged

I know it doesn't make sense but that is is the only explanation I can think of

@CrazyBuu
I liked your random and crazy answers but now you turned out to be sane person who can actually form intelligent arguments and thinks clearly
I think your are an imposter. you are not kid Buu you are super Buu
okay now I have to run

2012-10-12 09:51:08

CrazyBuu

@BuuNiverse

hehehe. and that is a proper troll. but i never revealed any worth while secrets. just that i get sick alot, i vent out pent up rage by pretending to be stupid here, i am proud to be human and my life's goal is to help others. i also have the guts to admit that i am a hypocrite unlike so many people. see not really any worth while secrets ^.^

hell i even gave life advice during the entire thing. also i would never come back and "say haha jk lolz" but i will say one thing.

i gave up being a troll a long time ago.

ironic, through all of this i found out that i have a temper trigger that is some one hates me for stupid reasons. You learn something knew every day huh?

@stone30

insanity is the best form of sanity. without insanity we would still believe the earth is flat and the sun revolves around it. and yes you should run because i have an army,

[IMAGE]



an army of absolute terror

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they will come for you shortly.

---- edits for below me since i have been locked due to flooding-----

@Scar-Faced Bandit

thanks, your a good friend as well, with a great sense of humor.

@BuuNiverse

yeah, you stay healthy as well. at least until the army of kittens gets you. :P

@Ledgic

it all started with a koala, then everything went downhill from there.
2012-10-12 05:49:08

C2

Cell trolling continues.
2012-10-12 06:27:31

Skar-faced Bandit

CrazyBuu
>all the characters on dissidia are basically just memories brought to life
I see. Well I read the story on Wikipedia. There was a second game titled Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy. I read the 012 comes from the game taking place during the 12 cycle of eternal conflict. Dissidia 02 would've probably been a better title to avoid confusion...

>you guys will need to watch out since your competitors are warriors that live to fight, well most of them. They would not want to stop a great evil instead they would rather fight each other, especially the villains. the villains are notorious for wanting to rule others and conquer planets right? how will you even manage to get them in one place without having them blow each other up?
Well I don't know about the villains but the heroes probably won't fight/argue with each other. There are going to be a few Gokus and Gohans there so that may help to get the universes to agree. Unless the various Vegetas can't get along...

@Some_weirdGuy
>GT's Bebi was actually a pretty clever concept in this respect, since he's an enemy who can quite literally use the Z fighters own strength against them, and also plays off the 'hurt me and you hurt you hurt the host' thing with innocents being used as a 'shield' to weaken the heroes resolve.
Bebi was like an Anti-Buu. Instead of absorbing people into his body, he spread himself their bodies! He also had the same tail-thing on his head.

>I agree that's it's actually much better to come up with some clever way for the enemy to be a threat to the heroes, rather than just continuing to ramp up the enemies strength to even more ridiculous levels, increased power is actually a tired cliche that was worn out to it's last threads during the buu saga...
That's why it ended =P. I think Toriyama got tired of it and decided to make Kid Buu the strongest villain the universe had ever known and give him every useful ability imaginable. That way if anyone asks "Could you make another saga?" Toriyama could say "Sorry no one left in the universe that could be a threat."

@ℛoketto
>Hmm, could be a possibility, but I'll need to see if the character development will allow for that.
It would hard picturing Frieza as a good guy.
[IMAGE]
And will he have to remain his Death Beam?

@BuuNiverse
>I feel awkward reading your pointless posts that are random as if you have no intellectual dignity.
Is it fair to judge the intellect of someone you don't know very well? I've chatted with CrazyBuu many times and he's one of the smartest, nicest people I've talked to. I haven't met him in real life but I think he would make a good friend.

@Davidstarlingm
>DBMenemy 2 would need an opponent better than Buu. So, then....who would be able to pose a threat to Buu?
Well I guess the Universal Buu and Janemba ideas didn't tickle anyone's fancy =/.
Ok how about this idea. The four Kaioshin each watch over a quadrant of the universe. What if there was a higher rank of Kais above the Kaioshin? The Ultimate Kai/Good and Ultimate Demon/Evil watch over all the universes in the Multiverse. Every year (or century doesn't matter) the Kai and the Demon choose 10 universes each and have them fight. The Kai chooses 10 random universes where the strongest beings are good-hearted and the Demon of course chooses universes where the most powerful are evil. After each war, the fighters are brought back to life and returned to their universes. So really there's no consequence but it's a fun to see characters interact with one another.

@Elbadj
>And clearly, at some point, BoD Vegeta and the Roketto Frieza would have to fuse to make the multiverse's ultimate (and bizzarest) warrior; Freegeta:
XD that was awesome!

@Marakanis
>I wish I could read BoD. I'm way too much of a Goku fanboy and hate the idea of Vegeta as the strongest and main character too much :(. I need help.
I feel the same way but BoD turned out to be one of the best fan fics I've read! I still have hope for Goku. Maybe Old Kai eventually unlocks his potential and denies it for Vegeta? Then Vegeta will spend the rest of his life trying to reach Ultimate Goku >=D!

@Hife
>If the accompanying Gravatar change worked, it would be more obvious. ^^"
I see it now! But why isn't your username Krazy K? Surely a crazy person can't be brothered with proper spelling! They write things the kool way.
2012-10-12 06:59:03

BuuNiverse

@Crazy Buu

naw, you seem like a cool guy. Hope everything works out for you in life, stay happy and healthy.

@Skar-Faced Bandit

>Is it fair to judge the intellect of someone you don't know very well? I've chatted with CrazyBuu many times and he's one of the smartest, nicest people I've talked to. I haven't met him in real life but I think he would make a good friend.

NAHHH bruh! Ah trolled dat nigguh wid mah dangalang! U kno how we do!!! Yeahhh boi!

@shadowXassassin (BELOW)

Honestly, that's a better story than the one that is currently used by Salagir for U-17. Well done...
2012-10-12 06:30:06

shadowXassassin

How this for a better universe 17 story.

Hurcule never decided to throw °16's head at gohan so he could make gohan go ssj2. Then the cell jrs. slowly killed off the humans and left a weaken goku back to back with vegeta and trunks, the cell jrs surround them and prepare a team kamehameha. Gohan in shock falls to his knees and starts to let out tears as vegeta, trunks, and his father are destroyed. Thus this anger gohan to go ssj2 (finally). So gohan beats up cell, decides not to kill him but to drag out the fight to torture cell, like in U18. Cell vomits out °18 and decides to blow himself up. A helpless gohan falls to his knees in shame for not being able to avenge his friends and father. BOOM goes cell and gohan dies with the planet. Cell regenerates in space in shock to see that he survived. As he laughs due to his victory, he flies off into space to find more powerful foes to fight to become even more perfect(stronger). END.
2012-10-12 06:32:14

Samurai190

Very interested in seeing if the other half is also executed, though Bojack's history anyway.
2012-10-12 07:08:56

Gohandominates

Ok so I was driving around town earlier today and I was thinking what would Piccolo's favorite vehicle brand be? for some weird reason and happened to be behind an annoying slow car and when we came to a stop light I read the make of the car, then it hit me, he likes DOOOODGE!

@dude

I also read Naruto. But it's more for the fact that I have put so much of my time into it that not finishing it would be stupid counter productive. Bleach I enjoy though as well as Hajime no Ippo(love that one) and D. Gray-man, Fairy tail, Wake Up Deadman, Transfer Student Storm Bringer(finished it a few months ago), Hokenshitsu no Shinigami and History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi.


@Saucemonkey
>Sounds like more of a horror story than anything in that case, with the fighters all being constantly watched and surveyed, not being able to escape by any means and death being the price of breaking any single rule.

Sounds like Saw. the overly long drawn out story that should has gone on way too long.

@Dbz hero
>Also y dose no1 respond 2 me is it cuz i don't have a picture?

Its very easy to be overlooked on this site. Especially if you aren't a common poster and for the simple fact that most people look for certain posts from certain people such as Rocketto, Davidstarlingm, npberryhill, Saucemonkey and the like. They are the most active in the comments section and thus their comments are often sought after...and I've noticed most posts from people that don't have pics are often either trolls and/or easily overlooked and/or ignored. Also I think typing style adds another factor.
2012-10-12 07:13:14

hi im a potential rapeist but Ill never say it out loud

I do hope that Bojack brings out his tricky self to unleash here I also would like to Know how in the HELL did he attack East kai and the lesser Kaioshins?
and how in gods name did East Kai Sqrew it! how did II Supreme Kai seal up him and what was left of his gang? While I love a good old fashioned beating of DBZ porportions I do hope our Dear Space Pirate unleashes something triksty
So do you think II Sumpreme Kai gave Bojack those Scars?
2012-10-12 07:59:20

Ledgic

@hi im a potential rapeist but Ill never say it out loud
>So do you think II Sumpreme Kai gave Bojack those Scars?

Bojack: You wanna know.... How I got these scars?
2012-10-12 08:37:18

Little Nicky

@ Ledgic

My father was a drunk. And a fiend.
2012-10-12 08:38:45

Tiencha

@Scar-Faced Bandit
How about the Maikaioshins? (the kais of the opposite, demon realm). After Dabura weas killed, a much stronger force came to power. You've got the four Maikaioshins (or 'evil supreme kais'), who could each be SSJ3 or Ultimate/Mystic Gohan level, and then the Dai Maikaioshin (or 'grand evil supreme kai'), who's the ultimate enemy. So you've got henchmen that you can struggle against, but manage to beat, but you have to do something drastic against the main enemy.

We'll also have to decide if one or two of the characters are going to be the protagonists, or if we're going to try and spread it among several universes (which would be fairer, but more difficult to pull off.)

@Ledgic
Perhaps, "You wanna know how I got these scaaarrrrrrrrs?"
2012-10-12 10:21:03

joshuaissac

Bojack: Imma firin' ma blAAARGH!
2012-10-12 11:25:07

Rage

"Take one of these and call me in the morning."
2012-10-12 11:56:35

Crazy K (hife)

@ Skar-faced Bandit:
>I see it now! But why isn't your username Krazy K? Surely a crazy person can't be brothered with proper spelling! They write things the kool way.
I didn't want to steal your schtick, there. ^^"

@ Davidstarlingm:
>I handle the publicity, by and large, so I'm the one usually commenting on DA. I do editing, publicity, site management, and about half the fight scenes. Berryhill does most of the writing.
I see. Thanks for clearing that up. It felt a bit awkward to not know if you're talking to two different people in the same line of conversation.

@ CrazyBuu:
Did you read my comment before? I guess the colour of your name as a little to close to the background colour.
You know, your conversation just reminded me of some origin story for Kid Buu someone thought up in these comments, that involved him coming from a different dimension where he was bullied, hence his insane rage.
(I don't mean to imply anything about you, here. ^^)

EDIT:
@ Rage:
>"Take one of these and call me in the morning."
In that he won't be able to talk until next morning.
2012-10-12 11:45:11

chocho978

@Tiencha
>How about the Maikaioshins? (the kais of the opposite, demon realm). After Dabura weas killed, a much stronger force came to power. You've got the four Maikaioshins (or 'evil supreme kais'), who could each be SSJ3 or Ultimate/Mystic Gohan level, and then the Dai Maikaioshin (or 'grand evil supreme kai'), who's the ultimate enemy. So you've got henchmen that you can struggle against, but manage to beat, but you have to do something drastic against the main enemy.

We'll also have to decide if one or two of the characters are going to be the protagonists, or if we're going to try and spread it among several universes (which would be fairer, but more difficult to pull off.)

If it is a crossover, we can use levels so every character can be useful:

Soldier: The weakest who are from DB Goku level to Final Form Frieza level.
Power Level: 10 - 120,000,000

SSJ Tiers: For Saiyans/Arcosians/Namekians/Humans who are SSJ level.
Power Level: 150,000,000 - 450,000,000

SSJ2 Tiers: For characters who are SSJ2 and FPSSJ2 level.
Power Level: 500,000,000 - 700,000,000

SSJ3 Tiers: For Ultimate/Mystic people and SSJ3 level.
Power Level: 1,000,000,000 - 3,000,000,000

Boss: For Vegito and everyone as strong as him.
Power Level: 10,000,000,000
2012-10-12 15:25:37

npberryhill

@Crazy K (hife)

Yeah man. If you want to get in touch with me, I handle most everything on the fanfiction.net site. David handles everything on the DeviantArt site (partly because at my job that site is blocked so I can't even get on).

The cool thing is, he and I agree on almost everything--seriously. Talking to one is as good as talking to the other pretty much--but he is the smarter one and he knows it.

@chocho978

The thing about pulling numbers out of thin air is that they are abstract. If you are going by David and I's power level system, you're not even close on the numbers. And if you're making those up, I'm gonna have to be a math teacher and ask to see your work.
2012-10-12 16:25:05

chocho978

@npberryhill
>yo're not even close on the numbers.
How? Super Gogeta is 2,500,000,000 and Vegito is 5,000,000,000(the rival's boost).

@davidstarlingm
>And you're getting those numbers from where?
Here
2012-10-12 16:35:56

Davidstarlingm

@chocho978
>Super Gogeta is 2,500,000,000 and Vegito is 5,000,000,000(the rival's boost).
And you're getting those numbers from where?

Any numbers post-Namek are made up by fans. No question about it. There are a variety of things on the internet that claim to be official, but they aren't. Toriyama never released any numbers beyond Frieza's "This form is over one million" and the Daizenshuu never released any numbers beyond saying that Frieza's 100% form was 120,000,000.

If you have some actual system for making those estimates, then we'd definitely be interested in seeing them.

EDIT (above):

>*getting the numbers from DB wiki*
You'll notice that the DB wiki has a lot of contradictory numbers -- listing 100% Frieza as 12 million, 120 million, 3 million, and 5 million -- that's because they just copy in every rumored source from, well everywhere.

V-Jump had less supervision by Toriyama than the Daizenshuu did, so its 2.5 billion power level for Super Gogeta is meaningless....especially because we have absolutely no comparison with any other character.

Unless you develop a comprehensive system for estimating power levels, then just using tiers like Salagir is a better idea.
2012-10-12 15:54:33

BuuNiverse

@Crazy K (hife)

>You know, your conversation just reminded me of some origin story for Kid Buu someone thought up in these comments, that involved him coming from a different dimension where he was bullied, hence his insane rage.

I remember that too. Whoever said that, based it on my personal Kid Buu origin story.
2012-10-12 16:53:00

Rickert

@chocho978

You power level is weak. I tend to agree with Vegito1089's power level: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSgcixeadn8
After all, a not yet mastered SSJ Vegeta can stomp Semi-Perfect Cell, there's no way an ASSJ is weaker than 1 billion.

An android is at least twice stronger than a regular SSJ. Semi-perfect Cell = Imperfect Cell + Android 17 + power boost (after achieving new form).
2012-10-12 16:52:29

Tiencha

@Rickert
>You power level is weak. I tend to agree with Vegito1089's power level: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSgcixeadn8
>After all, a not yet mastered SSJ Vegeta can stomp Semi-Perfect Cell, there's no way an ASSJ is weaker than 1 billion.

Look, at that point it's all speculation. Who's to say Semi-Perfect Cell isn't also under a billion? I'm not saying one way or the other, I'm just pointing out that you can't know for sure.

If you really wanted to rank characters at that point, you could use an abstract system (say, SSJ Goku vs. Frieza is 1, then putting him and Vegeta at 1.5 after training for three years and androids 17 and 18 at 2 or 3, and so on. Not that you should do exactly those numbers--but just any kind of abstract system would work better than worrying about keeping in proportion to the power levels system.). You could use Kili/Kiri, I suppose.
2012-10-12 16:57:37

Rickert

@Tiencha
We can estimate based on the data provided in the manga.

Android >= 2x SSJ
Imperfect Cell > Android

So the resulting Semi-perfect power level must be at leat over 800 millions. Then, we can estimate ASSJ Trunks and Vegeta at the point of fighting Semi-perfect Cell. It makes perfect sense.
2012-10-12 17:25:52

Super sonic 3

When is season 3 gonna come out for dbza?? that show is hilarious and i've been waiting a LONG time for it.
2012-10-12 17:35:35

Skar-faced Bandit

@Tiencha
>How about the Maikaioshins? (the kais of the opposite, demon realm).
If every universe has a Demon Realm which universe will those Makaioshin originate from?

@Crazy K (hife)
>I didn't want to steal your schtick, there. ^^"
Well you have a very scary gravatar and it looks kool (see what I did there? Ya see! Now the entire sentence is much kooler...there it is again!)

@Rickert
>You power level is weak.
How do you know his power level's weak? Can you sense it over the internet =P?

>I tend to agree with Vegito1089's power level:
How is his list any different than the hundreds of other made-up lists? I would really like to know where he's getting those numbers from. For example, we know Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Goku but there's nothing that indicates how much exactly. Gohan could be 3x, 4.25x, 5.7x, or even 10x stronger than Goku. Basically any one of those estimates could work in this situation because nothing contradicts or confirms them.
2012-10-12 17:33:20

Davidstarlingm

A few spoilers here, but hey what the hell....

We've deduced a few power level rules for canon that we'll be applying in Bringer of Death -- it's inexact, and BoD will be somewhat different in terms of execution, but at least it's a general idea.

Let's start with Super Saiyans. 145 million boost to base power level, right? Cool.

Base power level grows for a while, but it has to max out somewhere, right? We played with the numbers, and it makes the most sense to limit base power to 1/3 of transformed strength, or half of the boost. So a basic Super Saiyan can't ever pass ~72.5 million in base (otherwise, transforming would eventually become meaningless).

That puts the absolute maximum for a basic Super Saiyan around 210 million. Considering that Vegeta was able to put up a pretty decent fight against android 18, we could say that the absolute maximum-strength basic Super Saiyan would be approximately equal to Android 17.

From there on out, it's all basic math. 16 is clearly stronger than 17. When Perfect Cell was first formed, he was stronger than the sum of 16, 17, and 18. When FPSSj Goku powered up halfway, he was stronger than suppressed Perfect Cell. Based on all that, then, it makes the most sense if Full Power Super Saiyan is about 5 times greater than basic Super Saiyan, or +750 million (that's using the same "base cannot exceed 1/3 of total power" theory).

Ascended and Ultra are just different ways of accessing a fraction of that full power.

Consistent with the Daizenshuu, SSj2 is two times stronger than FPSSj1, or +1500 million. That also makes it 10 times stronger than basic SSj, which is a nice fusion with the whole Oozaru business.
2012-10-12 18:17:31

Rafael

@shadowXassassin

You know, I liked a lot your fan version, U17 could have happened this way but since Earth is a much larger planet than King Kai's planet the destructive effects would be higher and maybe Cell's main core would not have resisted but still your version is good and could explain why Cell never encountered Bojack's gang.

@Davidstarlingm

>it makes the most sense if Full Power Super Saiyan is about 5 times greater than basic Super Saiyan, or +750 million (that's using the same "base cannot exceed 1/3 of total power" theory).

Explain me, this will push the limits of their base form beyond the 72,5 millions when Vegeta and Goku reach the FPSSJ level in BoD? Because that would put their base power limit(250 millions) at the android's level of strengh I guess unless you're considering it for BoD.
2012-10-12 17:55:18

Saucemonkey

@Rickert
>Android >= 2x SSJ
>Imperfect Cell > Android
I'm not sure if you're really taking into account everything you need to. We have no idea if the androids are twice as powerful as an SSJ, as they could be anywhere from 1.2 times to 3 times as powerful, we just have no way to prove it. Assuming that Vegeta was more powerful than Goku on Namek, lets just say for arguements sake that Vegeta was around 180,000,000 when he fought android 18. Putting the androids 17 and 18 at 2x him would make their level around 360,000,000. Imperfect Cell, after absorbing many people, was able to defeat 17, 18, and Piccolo, but was around the same level as 16, who I'll put around 420,000,000 (again, I don't know the exact numbers, this just goes along with what you said earlier.) So all that we can really say is that Semi-Perfect Cell was around 500,000,000 to 1,000,000,000, at least according to what you're saying. But in all reality, we have no solid numbers to back it up, and even if we did it doesn't really matter, all that does matter is if one person can beat the other. That's why Toriyama got rid of power levels in the first place.

@Tiencha
>You could use Kili/Kiri, I suppose.
Does anyone really know how kili works? If anyone does, I'd appreciate some kind of explanation, because I have no idea how that system works at all.

>How about the Maikaioshins? (the kais of the opposite, demon realm).
That idea could work, my main problem with is why would that be a multiversal threat? If we could somehow make them a threat to every universe than I could see all of the characters teaming up against them, but my second problem is why would they be bringing them to their universe anyway?

>We'll also have to decide if one or two of the characters are going to be the protagonists, or if we're going to try and spread it among several universes (which would be fairer, but more difficult to pull off.)
If we're being honest, then it would only be practical to have a few of the characters being the main focus instead of trying to have all of them be equally. Of course we would incorporate every character and give them their moment to shine, but it would just make everything much easier if we were to keep it to one or two characters, maybe even three.

@Skar-faced Bandit
>Ok how about this idea.
I have two problems with that idea. First is why would the "good" Kaioshins allow this to go on? Doesn't seem to make sense to me... second is that once the good characters know that nothing is really at stake, and once the evil characters know that they aren't getting anything out of it, I don't think that many universes would really care to fight.

>And will he have to remain his Death Beam?
Heh, Frieza could go all Dabura on us and become the biggest goodie two-shoes ever, creating the life beam! Shoot it at someone dead and they return to life!

@Kakarotto Ka Kopokaka Kokoro Kakika kookoo
>This is beginning to sound more and more like the plot to <SPOILER ALERT>the Avengers movie</SPOILER>
You know, I haven't actually seen that movie... In any case, this is still just a very rough idea, many things can and probably will change on the way up production (if it ever really gets that far up in production.)

@Dbz hero
>Also y dose no1 respond 2 me is it cuz i don't have a picture?
>I've noticed most posts from people that don't have pics are often either trolls and/or easily overlooked and/or ignored. Also I think typing style adds another factor.
Gohandominates is right, what I would suggest is that you get a gravatar, it makes it much easier to be noticed, and clean up your spelling as well. Being articulate and easy to read is an important factor here.
2012-10-12 18:25:32

Crazy K (hife)

@ npberryhill:
>Yeah man. If you want to get in touch with me, I handle most everything on the fanfiction.net site. David handles everything on the DeviantArt site (partly because at my job that site is blocked so I can't even get on).
I see. I'm not on fanfiction.net yet. I'm usually not that into fanfictions. I think for a long time now this comic has been the only one I've been reading.
But if I need to contact you, I know where I can find you. ^^

>The cool thing is, he and I agree on almost everything--seriously. Talking to one is as good as talking to the other pretty much--but he is the smarter one and he knows it.
I guess it's nice to know someone like that. Good for you two. ^^

@ BuuNiverse:
>I remember that too. Whoever said that, based it on my personal Kid Buu origin story.
Wait, so was it you who mentioned it, like your post said before, or was it someone else?
In case of the latter, are you sure he based it on your story and didn't coincidently think of it by himself? It happens.

@ Skar-faced Bandit:
>Well you have a very scary gravatar and it looks kool (see what I did there? Ya see! Now the entire sentence is much kooler...there it is again!)
You know, Crazy K is seldom kool, he tends to be quite emotional. ^^
(Seriously, I just don't want to be a kopykat. ;)

>How do you know his power level's weak? Can you sense it over the internet =P?
Exaktly my thoughts. ^^
2012-10-12 18:38:54

Rafael

@Tiencha
>We'll also have to decide if one or two of the characters are going to be the protagonists, or if we're going to try and spread it among several universes (which would be fairer, but more difficult to pull off.)

If you're considering to write it as a continuation of DBM than I would say U18 characters for the main protagonists mainly because they are from an universe considerated as the DBZ story we all know and because they already know about the multiverse stuff, they could be the ones shifting between universes searching for help to fight and destroy whatever menace they will be facing this time teaming up the character from your fanfics and other DBM characters from the other universes, crazy Vegeto and her loyal daughter Mary Sue Bra could be the villians XD.
2012-10-12 18:52:32

ℛoketto



@ Cross over idea/DBM2

Sounds VERY cool so far, & as for how you could stop competitors from fighting outside of their matches...taking a page from a great many fanfics, plus other unrelated stories, how about ki-control collars? The Big Bad can control any one of them with the flip of a switch, & may even kill some minor character in the first act to demonstrate what happens if you don't obey. Several options for these things: ki-dampening technology, obviously, could make even someone like Vegetto powerless, & make otherwise predictable fights more evenly matched. Electric shocks could serve as warnings if a fighter tries to pick a fight outside of the ring (activated by them raising their ki), or if amped up, can kill them. Another option is using the collars to administer poison or a drug that slows you down, or otherwise makes it harder for you to fight...plus, in the "intermissions", the collars can just knock everyone out to ensure that they are rested for the next match.

So, what do you all think?

@ Elbadj:
>And clearly, at some point, BoD Vegeta and the Roketto Frieza would have to fuse to make the multiverse's ultimate (and bizzarest) warrior; Freegeta
...Ffff, that is terrifying. ☉⌓☉o I think the resulting personality might simply self-destruct from the overwhelming egotism. Or the feeling of wrongness.

@ Equinox:
>I can't stand to watch. ..comes back with chair and popcorn.. ....ah better. Kick his ass Cell.
Hahaha! Hey, pass the popcorn, will ya? I need some snacks for this gorefest!

@ Skar-faced Bandit:
>It would hard picturing Frieza as a good guy.
Why? He'll just be as polite as he appears when he's first introduced, except he'll actually be sincere about it.
[IMAGE] Look at this face, & tell me he couldn't beguile you into thinking he's a good guy.
>And will he have to remain his Death Beam?
I'm guessing you're asking if he'll change the name of his attack. The simple answer is "no". It's his signature move, like the Turtle Destruction Wave is iconic to Goku.

@ Saucemonkey:
>Heh, Frieza could go all Dabura on us and become to biggest goodie two-shoes ever, creating the life beam! Shoot it at someone dead and they return to life!
...Not likely. xD I don't think any ki-based attack can return people to life. Namekians can heal with their ki, but the victim's still gotta have a pulse. Don't worry though, Frieza will find ways to remain relevant to the story when stronger threats appear, & he's surrounded by SSJ-tier fighters...& no, he won't pull a few dozen transformations out for no good reason. That's sloppy writing, which I'd like to avoid.

2012-10-12 19:29:32

Elbadj

@Skar-faced Bandit

>XD that was awesome!

Thanks :) (You have no idea how long I have been waiting for an opportunity to use that picture... I am so sad XD)

>Ok how about this idea

Interesting, I'm getting a bit of a Mortal Kombat vibe from this. Another idea might be that the threat comes from outside the multiverse - it's expanding into something after all... So there could be a super demon realm somewhere?

@Roketto

>...Ffff, that is terrifying. ☉⌓☉o I think the resulting personality might simply self-destruct from the overwhelming egotism. Or the feeling of wrongness.

Well, it is a combination of an arcosian who hates saiyans and a saiyan who hates arcosians. So he'd probably be pretty useless in a fight, seeing as he'd sit around in a fit of continual self-loathing.

(Though I should perhaps admit that this wasn't designed for the exclusive purpose of that, rather lame, joke. It was an actual concept of mine - suggesting that I have a very disturbed mind...)

>So, what do you all think?

That sounds like a cross between Dragon Ball Z and Battle Royale... which would be AWESOME!

EDIT:

As an addendum - that could be who the big bad is. He/she could have the power of Buu (or higher) and with the personality and intellect of the Joker. They capture each of the universe's strongest fighters and family and friends and arranges a contest. The strongest fighters will all battle it out across a diverse terrain (a planet say - or a part of solar system) and only the winning universe will be allowed to return with their family and friends. The losing universes will have their family and friends killed.

That then sets up the dynamic - they're all forced into a conflict, with the ki-collars limiting power and preventing anyone from hiding/escaping, but need to team up in order to defeat the big bad and get out with everyone alive. But of course each of the universes would have different reactions to the situation (@Tiencha's universe of characters are unlikely to respond to the situation in the same manner as @Saucemonkey's characters and so on).

Anyway, apologies for my rambling ^^;
2012-10-12 20:18:39

Rage

@Roketto
Look at the blonde guy in the back ready to shit himself.
2012-10-12 23:20:11

Rickert

@Saucemonkey
It was written in the manga. Android 17 didn't use half of his power against Future SSJ Gohan previous fight and was toying with Future SSJ Gohan. I forgot this on which chapter, but it's around the android saga chapters. We can estimate how much stronger Cell got each Android he absorbed. I would say Android 17 and 18's power level is 360-450 millions, Imperfect Cell was around that level. Simple multiplication shows that Semi-perfect Cell would be in the range 720-900 millions (Imperfect Cell's power + Android 17, just assume Imperfect Cell = Android 17), and we don't even count the enormous power boost he got each time getting a new form. Finally, Trunks said that the android in the main timeline is MUCH stronger than the ones in his timeline: http://www.mangareader.net/105...4/dragon-ball/chapter-357.html

@Skar-faced Bandit
lol silly me. But his power levels are weak :p
2012-10-13 05:45:55

Davidstarlingm

@Rickert
>It was written in the manga. Android 17 didn't use half of his power against Future SSJ Gohan previous fight and was toying with Future SSJ Gohan.
I always thought that 17 and 18 were pretty bad at estimating power levels. They had no sensors. And at the world martial arts tournament, 18 had more difficulty than anyone getting a low score on the punching machine.

Just because he said he was using "half" his power the last time doesn't mean he was "powered up" to 50% of whatever his "full power" would be if a scouter could measure it. In fact, I don't think 17 COULD power up or down.

>we don't even count the enormous power boost he got each time getting a new form.
He only received a power boost for his perfect form. His semiperfect form was simply the sum of his imperfect form and 17's energy.

>Finally, Trunks said that the android in the main timeline is MUCH stronger than the ones in his timeline.
That is believed to be because the androids lose power over time.
2012-10-13 12:07:37

Rickert

@Davidstarlingm
Android 18 intentionally scored very low on the punching machine: this fact proved that the Androids could control their power. The author (Akira) explicitly mentioned in the manga that Android 17 only used not even half of his power. In the main timeline when Android 17 first appeared, he only needed one punch to cancel Trunk's SSJ, who handled Frieza and Cold effortlessly. This detail further confirms that Android 17 is at least 2x stronger than ordinary SSJ.

And it's unsure whether Cell got an extra power boost. But from the enormous power boost Semi Cell becomes Perfect Cell, it's very likely that Semi-Perfect Cell got similar boost, but less. Regardless, Vegeta at the time fighting semi-Perfect Cell should have 1 billion in power, or at worst, 900.
2012-10-13 12:45:25

warboss_matt

you guys do know that nothing is stopping me.or some other random writer from just creating a fanfic that is unbeatable in your little tournament and would seem like jerks if you did not allow my character in it just because he is strong for other reasons (mindrape, time manipulation, non corporeal) rather than raw power since your banning characters like mystic gogeta.
2012-10-13 16:37:52

joshuaissac

@Rickert:
Android 18 had to punch it twice. In her first try, she scored almost 800. She had to do it again to get a low score.
2012-10-13 18:30:04

Green Stallion

I'm not being hasty or anything. Lol but you guys haven't placed Kakorotto on the round 3 panel from when he beat pan by a forfeit.
2012-10-13 22:14:01

GOGETA SSJ3

WHO WAS CAPTAIN GINYU?
WHAT HAPPENED WITH CELL AND BOJACK??
WHO WON THE TOURNAMENT???
FREAKING OUT IM!!!
I MEAN IM FREAKING OUT!!!
2012-10-14 23:25:02

A Person Who will miss you, and wants you to stay ;'(

What will happen in the next episode of:
Dragon Ball Multiverse!
Stay tuned.
goodbye Gogeta Jr.
you could of atleast eneded the fight...
you will be missed...
2012-10-14 23:36:00

Crazy K (hife)

He did end the fight in advance.
2012-10-15 15:18:04

MB(certified god)

Spoiler--Bojack will use the energy bonds.
2012-10-15 17:22:57

Gortex

Wow, what magnificent ownage on Cell's part.
2012-10-16 10:44:22

tari101190

I was thinking the tournament would go like this:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-...4/dragonballmultiversetou.jpg/
2012-10-16 23:32:32

Thanos

@taril01190

How did you make that?
2012-10-16 23:35:01

Prodozul

Cell has a descendant!

http://www.dblegends.com/2012/...nball-online-bio-android-cell/

He looks pretty badass
2012-10-20 22:02:26

StealFeat

UGHFGHLFGH.
I CAN'T BELIEVE.
I FORGOT ABOUT DBM.
._. I can't FrUKin' believe I did that.
And now I have over 15 pages to go back and read. (Wait, that's AWESOME! :D)
But I'm sooo sorry if on the next page I sound like a noob. ;-;
On David's post on top, I think it's a mixture of these gross things-
-Puke
-Rum,Beer,or whatever the hell he drinks.
-Bloooddd.
-A bit of his brains- if he has any.
-Snot. As in, Bojack was beaten so hard it slid down his throat and out his face.
-Spit,Saliva.

Da. And I think his eyeballs will soon be a lucky Cell jr.'s two new paddle balls.
€řæρ, that sounded wrong.

2012-10-29 17:51:05

VEGGITO

OOOOOOOOOHHH!!!BOJACKS ASS IS GONNA GET JACKED AND BEATEN
2013-01-19 07:36:44

MB(certified god)

Lol. "Make me >:)"
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