Vegeta fans already complaining about the outcome lol when Goku wins it's plot Armor but when Vegeta wins it's all fine find it funny tbh

Today was saying: SkyFish was saying: Wont change a thing. Bardock had 10.000 power level, ssj gives pwrlvl x50. He is still weaker than friezas first form.
Yep, he's still cooked unless this Bardock has a higher power level (like 3 million, in which case he doesn't need to transform to beat the first form). But SSJ with even a slightly stronger base power (say 12000) would be enough to beat Frieza in his first form.

Freeza in his first form is within the 500k range. 100k isn't going to make Freeza sweat much. Maybe he can grapple with him like Vegeta did, but that's about it.

Darklordcomp was saying: newhinhin was saying: I think i've seen this picture somewhere, but i can't remember where

It's Goku and Vegeta right before they body the MCU

.

bro you know hulk alone solo's goku and vegeta. He's literally immortal and unkillable as long as he's angry and god exists, also he can punch so hard he can blow up a plant via nuclear fusion/fission(without aiming at the planet) and his presence alone can begin destroying the reality he's in if he gets angry enough. Plus he can forcefully absorb radiation and energy sources that generation forms of gamma radiation.

I wanted to say all that because marvel has a handful of charcaters either more powerful than him or with a better kit for a fight against goku and vegeta.

Xeno was saying: That's... an interesting page setup.

I would've expected a smaller Goku and Vegy to actually give the focus to the handshake, since you know all this was about how equal they were and being sport and accepting defeat and all that... but somehow the handshake is barely visible, Vegy is almost on the background, but Goku is made into the absolute focus of the page and from a really dominating angle.

Wonder why.

You have to remember Goku is the MC. I think Vegeta being relegated to a side character - even an important one as he is, being the main rival of Goku and all that - is what we have to accept.

Guess that statement ripples through the majority of db media

"You are better than me kakarot your the best"

And wholesome bromance. Love it.

DBZFan92 was saying: IMO this page would have been so much more impactful if Vegeta had won and was the one helping Goku up. Wish they would have surprised us
That wouldn't have been a surprise, man. This is Goku's first legit win against Vegeta. This is impactful/

Not surprised Goku won but I didn't expect it to be like this. I'm kind of questioning why they did the fight the way they did if the ending was going to be so definitive. In hindsight this was nearly a perfect fight but I think their positions after the initial clash should have been reversed. As is you have Vegeta being downed twice and being counted down twice with him staying down for the second count. Would have been better(in my opinion at least) for Goku to go down the first time and get back up and have Vegeta go down the second time and not get back up. The theme of the fight is just supposed to be that they are nearly dead equal and with Vegeta being the one to be downed twice it kind of undermines that.

FantomPhoenix was saying: UnifiedEntity was saying: DBZFan92 was saying: Meh, figures they'd go the expected route

Re-reading this fight the choreography was so strange to me throughout sections of the fight. They were constantly in a different position than momentum and the hits should have carried them. Was a hell of a fight though, and certainly better than the other DBM fights of the past few years. Too bad the first half of the fight was soured by the fake out though, which was ultimately pointless since Goku is winning anyway

omai was saying: everybody talking bad cant come close to making a battle this entertaining. Dbm> everything but z ???

Maybe not artistically but I'm sure there's a decent amount of people on here who could think of much better choreography and a more satisfying ending

"Expected route" I really encourage you to rewatch/reread DBZ and keep track at how many times they fought and Goku came out the winner. Go ahead. I'll wait. Even in canon Vegeta beats him in training In the recent movie. If anything this is the most unexpected ending because of the misconception that's plagued the fandom and still does so. And Vegeta once again, ain't the MC. Goku finally beat him here In a fanfic at best right now.

The issue is that Vegeta, despite never officially losing to Goku, is always lagging behind him so badly and has such a bad track record at being the Earth's last line of defence, that even Bulma in DB Super has zero faith in him and places it all into Goku.

So there's a reason for Vegeta fans wanting a win. Vegeta considered the Oozaru cheating, he cheap shotted Ssj2 Goku as Majin and Goku was holding back ssj3 the entire time meaning he didn't think Vegeta was even worth the effort, and in that movie a lot of people believe Goku let Vegeta win.

That's why Vegeta fans crave a zero BS Vegeta win over Goku. They've never gotten one and he's been in the number two/antagonist punching bag spot to make Goku look good for so many years that it would be a subversion of expectations to see Vegeta win.


What Vegeta fans want is a win against a major villain, since Vegeta has always been a punching bag for the main villain. Vegeta doesn't need a win against Goku, he already had 2 wins against Goku (imagine the ego boost Vegeta fans will get if Vegeta actually beats Goku fair and square XD).

Their first fight, Goku dominated Vegeta when they were both in humanoid form, but the Oozaru form earned Vegeta the win. It doesn't seem very fair to Goku, but still, that wasn't cheating. You use everything in your arsenal to defeat your enemy. That's a legit win for Vegeta.

Their second fight, even Vegeta himself didn't call it a win, because he cheated. He agreed to call off the fight, then cheap shot Goku. He said he would come back to finish the fight with Goku after he dealed with Buu, because his pride wouldn't allow him to call it a win. Even with that power boost from Babidi's magic, he was fighting just evenly with a Goku who was holding back. And then later he got mad at Goku for "disrespecting me by hiding your full power."

Their third fight (Broly's movie), it's a legit win for Vegeta, although it was just a sparring session, not a serious fight, and neither of them was fighting at full power.

So it Vegeta 2 - 0 Goku.
Vegeta doesn't need another win against Goku.

DBZFan92 was saying: Meh, figures they'd go the expected route

Re-reading this fight the choreography was so strange to me throughout sections of the fight. They were constantly in a different position than momentum and the hits should have carried them. Was a hell of a fight though, and certainly better than the other DBM fights of the past few years. Too bad the first half of the fight was soured by the fake out though, which was ultimately pointless since Goku is winning anyway

omai was saying: everybody talking bad cant come close to making a battle this entertaining. Dbm> everything but z ???

Maybe not artistically but I'm sure there's a decent amount of people on here who could think of much better choreography and a more satisfying ending

"Expected route" I really encourage you to rewatch/reread DBZ and keep track at how many times they fought and Goku came out the winner. Go ahead. I'll wait. Even in canon Vegeta beats him in training In the recent movie. If anything this is the most unexpected ending because of the misconception that's plagued the fandom and still does so. And Vegeta once again, ain't the MC. Goku finally beat him here In a fanfic at best right now.

My god, finally! If Goku hadn't won, I would've stopped reading this, lol.

Personally, I want Vegeta to win.

Neither really ever fairly wins against the other but the mere fact that every enemy since Vegeta has jobbed Vegeta shows that Goku could always win. Vegeta has acknowledged it in canon a few times.

Vegeta's only job is to show how strong the enemy Goku has to defeat is. And that one time, Gohan.

Honestly, that's everyone's job in Dragonball. It gets old. Why have other fighters if they never get to shine (besides teen Gohan, once)?

Oh, and a power up for Goku via Spirit Bomb or fusion. Yeah yeah, fused fighters are different beings, but it would be nice to see Vegeta win once. His most admirable quality is that he never stops training.

The non-saiyans dismay at Saiyan hax, but Vegeta should be just as dismayed at Goku hax.

Vegeta your swing is too wide! He's gonna eat a counter.

And there we have it! SON GOKŪ (Ultra Mystic) defeats Vegeta-San (Ultra Mystic)

Oh right right! Krillin and Roshi are bad role models because Roshi is a pedophile and Krillin is his accom-Vegeta killed children!!!



And not only that! he bragged and taunted the namekians about it!



And yet, a lot of fans still view him as role model. If he gets a pass for this, then so does Krillin and Roshi. The standers are already this low, being a pervert is normal in Dragon ball. xD

FantomPhoenix was saying: TrustMe was saying: FantomPhoenix was saying: TrustMe was saying: rapidge was saying: MajinPower was saying: The face of a man that for the first time has defeated Vegeta in front of us!

It wasn't until recently I realized that Goku never actually beat Vegeta...this was a big deal.

Who is it a big deal to though? I think only Vegeta fans are concerned about who gets the win, Goku's fans (including myself) don't really care about that as Goku is and will always be the better fighter. Goku is not concerned about this either, and he is not happy he beat Vegeta, he is happy he had a good fight and Vegeta has proven his worth to him (as in rosat special Goku was pissed at Vegeta for not being able to go to level 3) as a great rival.

But if Vegeta won this fight, that would make no sense. Time after time original manga has shown that Vegeta will only play catch-up to Goku, and Vegeta himself admitted it. They ignored it somewhat in Super, but this manga does not consider Super to be canon.

Personally the idea of "Goku is and always will always be the better fighter" goes against the theme of constant improvement in Dragonball for me.

Why can't Vegeta ever reach Goku's level? Why can't anyone else in the main cast ever hope to rival him? Why must all the Z fighters merely sit back and accept their places rather then constantly striving to improve themselves substantially? Why does it matter what the original manga displayed when this takes place long after the end of that manga and clearly has an entire multiverse of events to draw from.

Plus, it makes more sense for the two to be equals rather then having Vegeta just be a slightly worse version/fighter of Goku constantly copycatting him.

DB Super actually is doing a fairly decent job of fixing their rivalry by having Vegeta gain his own path to power and give him a win in skill once in a while.

In my eyes, after they've trained and fought together for so long, their skill should be 50/50,not Goku is always better no matter what Vegeta does.

I know the quote you're referencing, the "You're better then me Kakarot", but that can be interpreted in a different way then Vegeta giving up completely against Goku. I saw it as him coming to terms with his current place in the rankings, which he always had severe difficulty doing before, but Rankings of strength can shift and change constantly no matter who you are.

Goku/Vegeta is a legendary attempt at a rivalry, but I say attempt because it's not a true rivalry. In canon, it's Vegeta wanting a rivalry yet not being good enough to properly rival Goku ever aside from a few times at best. A true rivalry should be 50/50, with both rivals having their own unique advantages and disadvantages over the other that balance each other out, at least in my eyes.

Goku and Vegeta almost succeed in this, except Goku always beats out Vegeta in where Dragonball matters most, skill and power (as eventually the series just becomes about who can hit harder/shoot bigger ki blasts). It makes sense training wise, Vegeta had no proper mentors like Goku did and the method of Zenkai boost torture training that Vegeta was trying, which caused him to over train and strain his own progress, wasn't working after a while, but constantly training with Goku for years and eliminating that skill gap while also being a fighting prodigy in his own right should eventually eliminate that skill and mentorship gap between the two.

Speaking as a fan of Vegeta, I'd like to see him rise to the level of an ACTUAL rival of Goku. Not remain in the boat of being a slightly worse fighter that's constantly playing catch-up with Goku.

Did you start watching DB at OG, or Z?

The reason I ask, is because originally DB was not intended to be a series about rivalry between the two MCs, because there is only one true MC in DB - Goku. The series is about Goku, and Vegeta was included against Toriyama's wishes (he disliked Vegeta, but due to his popularity had to keep him in the story).

People who started watching DB at Z are often under the impression that Vegeta was always relevant in this series, but that is not the case. DB began as Goku's show, focused solely on Goku. Z gave more spotlight to other characters, and with Super we are back to Goku's show + sidekick Vegeta.

I am not saying Goku has to be the strongest in the series - no, but he has to be the best at getting stronger. Goku's point is not that he is "super strong dude", but rather that "there is no limit he can't break". Vegeta was never about that, he just does not have the same love for training and fighting that Goku does, as he admitted in his speech in Buu Saga. Goku fights to better himself, unlike Vegeta. Goku is happy when the enemy is stronger than him, but not Vegeta.

Also, I think Super acknowledging Vegeta's responsibilities to his family is another factor why he should not be on Goku's level. Vegeta is becoming a good husband and dad, and he has to skip training sometimes because of his obligations to this family. Goku? Nope, does not care one bit about family-time or responsibilities. He is just a fighting maniac with fighting and training being the only things on his mind. He is just more dedicated (for better or for worse..)

Think of it this way - there is no Goku, Vegeta probably never gets higher than 20k PL. There is no Vegeta - does not matter to Goku, as he is not pushing himself to be better than Vegeta, but to be better than he himself was yesterday.

I like Vegeta as a straight-man to Goku's craziness and immaturity though, and cannot deny he had probably the best character development in this series, which manga has taken even further with Moro and Granolah arc's. But he is just not the boy who went from shit-tier saiyan class to becoming the elite of the elite, purely because of his love for martial arts.

I'm aware of what Vegeta was, and how the series started out.

But Vegeta has changed, and is certainly not Goku's sidekick. That's a very odd take.

It doesn't really matter what the series originally intended to be, it was originally a parody/gag comic that changed, so that holds no real relevance anymore. Goku used to be smacking people off of manga panels.

It also doesn't matter what Vegeta would have become without Goku, because Goku changed him greatly on a fundamental level.

Point is, it's not enough for Vegeta to be considered Goku's rival when all he does is chase his tail 90% of the time. A proper rivalry in my eyes, is 50/50 and fluctuates one way or the other from time to time.

With Goku and Vegeta, it's always skewed towards Goku. Yes there are clear reasons for why that happened, but it's nonetheless not too satisfying years after all of Vegeta's development after the Buu saga.

With DB Super not being too relevent here. While it's true Vegeta is more of a family man then Goku, he still spends years away from home training (if you count the time chamber) in DB Super. So his drive is clearly just as great as Goku's is.

Especially now that he is in fact improving himself and his own fighting style, and learning from other fighters that aren't even Goku, but taking pages from the book from Jiren for instance in the new movie.

Anyways, it'd be nice to see someone who's just as driven as Gojy basically, and can properly rival him. Not through fusion or unfair means, just a proper upfront rival, and Vegeta is the closest thing we have to that, but he always falls short, which is frustrating.

I did watch all of Dragonball, Z and Super (only skimmed GT, I'll admit).


I get where you are coming from, and if we think of the series only going forward, I would not argue with you much.

However, we cannot ignore what happened until Super. Making Vegeta be Goku's true equal now would disregard what DB and DBZ have shown us - that Goku will overcome each and every one of his rivals. Vegeta was not shown to be this way, so suddenly making Vegeta just as good at training as Goku is would be an insult to Goku's character.

Unlike Vegeta, Goku does not train for a specific goal. Goku could become the strongest being in the universe, and he would continue to train. His pure love for all-things-martial-arts and his natural talent at it are the traits that make Goku Goku, and what make him superior to Vegeta when it comes to improving in martial arts.

You know how Uub is the reincarnation of Kid Buu? Well if the concept of "loving martial arts" would die, it would reincarnate as Goku.


Vegeta was never like that. He trains to beat Goku for the entirety of Z, that is it. In Super, he still does the same, although he starts expressing some love for martial arts as well. But that is not yet enough for him to be worthy of being Goku's equal, who has been driven by it his entire life.

Although I guess one could argue that Vegeta changed after admitting Goku was better, and that allowed him to break through the shells that have been keeping him behind Goku. But even then - no one beats Goku's natural talent at fighting, reading his opponents and countering them. Vegeta could get stronger than Goku, but he could never become as good as him at these things, as he was not created to be such a character.

Tl;dr - while modern DB puts Vegeta as more of an equal to Goku than Z did, Dragon Ball is still a series spanning decades, and we cannot ignore how the characters were built in original series. Vegeta was not built as someone who can become Goku's true rival, as he was not created as someone with equal love for fighting, and it is that love for fighting that allows Goku to break through all his limits. He eats, breathes and sleeps martial arts, and that is why he is the MC of series focused on martial arts.

FantomPhoenix was saying:
I don't see how that's hard to understand.

As for what result would've been the most satisfying for me? I think a draw would be, not going to lie. Or a scene afterwards where they talk about the score between each other now and have it be in the hundreds or something like Dante and Vergil did in hell.

"I don't see how that's hard to understand."

Best response

You ignored 90% of my post to nitpick one sentence.

"I am not saying Goku has to be the strongest in the series - no, but he has to be the best at getting stronger. Goku's point is not that he is "super strong dude", but rather that "there is no limit he can't break". Vegeta was never about that, he just does not have the same love for training and fighting that Goku does, as he admitted in his speech in Buu Saga."

Why does he" have" to be the best at it?

Why not have someone that can, y'know, rival him in that field? Vegeta's motivations changed by the end of the Buu saga.

TrustMe was saying:
Did you start watching DB at OG, or Z?

The reason I ask, is because originally DB was not intended to be a series about rivalry between the two MCs, because there is only one true MC in DB - Goku. The series is about Goku, and Vegeta was included against Toriyama's wishes (he disliked Vegeta, but due to his popularity had to keep him in the story).

People who started watching DB at Z are often under the impression that Vegeta was always relevant in this series, but that is not the case. DB began as Goku's show, focused solely on Goku. Z gave more spotlight to other characters, and with Super we are back to Goku's show + sidekick Vegeta.

I am not saying Goku has to be the strongest in the series - no, but he has to be the best at getting stronger. Goku's point is not that he is "super strong dude", but rather that "there is no limit he can't break". Vegeta was never about that, he just does not have the same love for training and fighting that Goku does, as he admitted in his speech in Buu Saga. Goku fights to better himself, unlike Vegeta. Goku is happy when the enemy is stronger than him, but not Vegeta.

FantomPhoenix was saying: TrustMe was saying: rapidge was saying: MajinPower was saying: The face of a man that for the first time has defeated Vegeta in front of us!

It wasn't until recently I realized that Goku never actually beat Vegeta...this was a big deal.

Who is it a big deal to though? I think only Vegeta fans are concerned about who gets the win, Goku's fans (including myself) don't really care about that as Goku is and will always be the better fighter. Goku is not concerned about this either, and he is not happy he beat Vegeta, he is happy he had a good fight and Vegeta has proven his worth to him (as in rosat special Goku was pissed at Vegeta for not being able to go to level 3) as a great rival.

But if Vegeta won this fight, that would make no sense. Time after time original manga has shown that Vegeta will only play catch-up to Goku, and Vegeta himself admitted it. They ignored it somewhat in Super, but this manga does not consider Super to be canon.

Personally the idea of "Goku is and always will always be the better fighter" goes against the theme of constant improvement in Dragonball for me.

Why can't Vegeta ever reach Goku's level? Why can't anyone else in the main cast ever hope to rival him? Why must all the Z fighters merely sit back and accept their places rather then constantly striving to improve themselves substantially? Why does it matter what the original manga displayed when this takes place long after the end of that manga and clearly has an entire multiverse of events to draw from.

Plus, it makes more sense for the two to be equals rather then having Vegeta just be a slightly worse version/fighter of Goku constantly copycatting him.

DB Super actually is doing a fairly decent job of fixing their rivalry by having Vegeta gain his own path to power and give him a win in skill once in a while.

In my eyes, after they've trained and fought together for so long, their skill should be 50/50,not Goku is always better no matter what Vegeta does.

I know the quote you're referencing, the "You're better then me Kakarot", but that can be interpreted in a different way then Vegeta giving up completely against Goku. I saw it as him coming to terms with his current place in the rankings, which he always had severe difficulty doing before, but Rankings of strength can shift and change constantly no matter who you are.

Goku/Vegeta is a legendary attempt at a rivalry, but I say attempt because it's not a true rivalry. In canon, it's Vegeta wanting a rivalry yet not being good enough to properly rival Goku ever aside from a few times at best. A true rivalry should be 50/50, with both rivals having their own unique advantages and disadvantages over the other that balance each other out, at least in my eyes.

Goku and Vegeta almost succeed in this, except Goku always beats out Vegeta in where Dragonball matters most, skill and power (as eventually the series just becomes about who can hit harder/shoot bigger ki blasts). It makes sense training wise, Vegeta had no proper mentors like Goku did and the method of Zenkai boost torture training that Vegeta was trying, which caused him to over train and strain his own progress, wasn't working after a while, but constantly training with Goku for years and eliminating that skill gap while also being a fighting prodigy in his own right should eventually eliminate that skill and mentorship gap between the two.

Speaking as a fan of Vegeta, I'd like to see him rise to the level of an ACTUAL rival of Goku. Not remain in the boat of being a slightly worse fighter that's constantly playing catch-up with Goku.

Did you start watching DB at OG, or Z?

The reason I ask, is because originally DB was not intended to be a series about rivalry between the two MCs, because there is only one true MC in DB - Goku. The series is about Goku, and Vegeta was included against Toriyama's wishes (he disliked Vegeta, but due to his popularity had to keep him in the story).

People who started watching DB at Z are often under the impression that Vegeta was always relevant in this series, but that is not the case. DB began as Goku's show, focused solely on Goku. Z gave more spotlight to other characters, and with Super we are back to Goku's show + sidekick Vegeta.

I am not saying Goku has to be the strongest in the series - no, but he has to be the best at getting stronger. Goku's point is not that he is "super strong dude", but rather that "there is no limit he can't break". Vegeta was never about that, he just does not have the same love for training and fighting that Goku does, as he admitted in his speech in Buu Saga. Goku fights to better himself, unlike Vegeta. Goku is happy when the enemy is stronger than him, but not Vegeta.

Also, I think Super acknowledging Vegeta's responsibilities to his family is another factor why he should not be on Goku's level. Vegeta is becoming a good husband and dad, and he has to skip training sometimes because of his obligations to this family. Goku? Nope, does not care one bit about family-time or responsibilities. He is just a fighting maniac with fighting and training being the only things on his mind. He is just more dedicated (for better or for worse..)

Think of it this way - there is no Goku, Vegeta probably never gets higher than 20k PL. There is no Vegeta - does not matter to Goku, as he is not pushing himself to be better than Vegeta, but to be better than he himself was yesterday.

I like Vegeta as a straight-man to Goku's craziness and immaturity though, and cannot deny he had probably the best character development in this series, which manga has taken even further with Moro and Granolah arc's. But he is just not the boy who went from shit-tier saiyan class to becoming the elite of the elite, purely because of his love for martial arts.

A "what if" scenario for all Vegeta's fans:



Drawn by: Frorenst

Kulbasar was saying: I'm sick of all the comments that say "Oh nooooo goku won" again.Can y'all mention one time that goku defeated vegeta in a one on one battle

It's a very repetitive conversation.

1. Vegeta needs a win

2. Vegeta already has multiple against Goku.

3. Those don't count.

4. Goku doesn't have any wins against Vegeta.

5. But he's always been ahead.

6. So... you want to tear down Goku so Vegeta gets a win?

7. No, we just want a real rivalry.

8. It's already a real rivalry because Vegeta already has multiple wins against Goku.

9. Those don't count.

While I get where the Vegeta fans are coming from on the desire for a more compelling rivalry (@DBZFan92- your fic, Bringer of Death is excellent), it doesn't actually make tons of sense for Vegeta to compare to Goku without taking a path similar to what he does in late Super.

All power scaling aside- the difference between the two characters is alluded to throughout the course of Canon DB. The argument made is that Vegeta is motivated entirely by Goku. This, he's a ceiling he could never surpass.

The thing is, there's philosophical and psychological validity to this in a conventional real world sense. Goku is motivated internally by a passion for what he does. In the real world, it'd make him less susceptible to burnout, more capable of conceiving of progress on his own terms (and thus more creative and experimental in his training methods), and give him a much more grounded understanding of his own strengths and weaknesses in a way that isn't clouded by his perception of something that isn't him. He's not confined by arbitrary ideations or strict rules about his own development.

Vegeta being the opposite isn't a noble distinction. It's a huge and very intentionally written character flaw. He doesn't normally manage to surpass Goku, because his concept of progress is frequently something that he's observed/believed Goku to have already done.

In a more carefully written story than DB, the difference would hold much more narrative weight with a character like Goku, Piccolo, or potentially even Tien (who is also guilty of this) definitively dressing Vegeta down for how his pride manifests itself in a way that actually impedes his growth as a person and a fighter. This would happen in a way that holds much more narrative weight than Whis eventually just telling Vegeta "Ultra Instinct ain't for you. Get your own life together, and paddle your own canoe."

But, Toriyama's writing around Vegeta post-Namek was always subpar. The characters all had to take backseats and collectively become dumber to accommodate Vegeta being present. Toriyama has also admitted to disliking Vegeta as a character, but also thinking of him as a handy tool (a crutch that constantly makes detrimental choices to the cast to keep the plot moving) to keep the plot moving. It's a real shame, too, because he's brilliant on Namek. MistaireFusion puts it best in his Dragonball Dissection series when he rants about his dislike for Vegeta as a character.

rapidge was saying: MajinPower was saying: The face of a man that for the first time has defeated Vegeta in front of us!

It wasn't until recently I realized that Goku never actually beat Vegeta...this was a big deal.

Who is it a big deal to though? I think only Vegeta fans are concerned about who gets the win, Goku's fans (including myself) don't really care about that as Goku is and will always be the better fighter. Goku is not concerned about this either, and he is not happy he beat Vegeta, he is happy he had a good fight and Vegeta has proven his worth to him (as in rosat special Goku was pissed at Vegeta for not being able to go to level 3) as a great rival.

But if Vegeta won this fight, that would make no sense. Time after time original manga has shown that Vegeta will only play catch-up to Goku, and Vegeta himself admitted it. They ignored it somewhat in Super, but this manga does not consider Super to be canon.

Goku is absolutely DONE with this rivalry. You can see it in his face. This settles Goku and Vegeta finally. It's been about 30 years right? Nice way to end it.