So the What If chapter with kakaditz was a waste of time AND inaccurate just because?

So it wasn't a mental block and Radditz was just weaker. I guess probably because of XXI? That or "Haha Radditz weak" memes.

Well I can tell this is just gonna be another round of disappointment. Let's hope it doesn't reach Bra levels of disappointment.

After 10 years they should be past their Cell Saga selves and half way to their Buu saga selves but the author seems to have forgotten that or has yet to reveal why things are different. 2 Replie(s)

It's kind of sad he doesn't have a soul. Nothing but oblivion waiting for him when he dies and endless hunger while alive.

True. Maybe add on top an invulnerability to soul manipulation and then magic. Cover all your bases. Honestly, Broly's invulnerability is already a good start. IDK why anybody wouldn't be wishing for a better version of Legendary Super Saiyan after seeing it in action. Free power AND invulnerability? If you get it without the berserker rage it's game over for 99% of people.

Immortality and advanced healing is what they should want. That and Legendary Super Saiyan power minus the berserker rage. Maybe an immunity to that black goop that the tech warriors use too just in case. Not sure what else could beat that. 1 Replie(s)

I'm starting to think that too. Considering how bad it was, I don't think it really makes up for that.

I hope this isn't another speedblitzed problem solving thing like Salagir did with Buu and the Ginyu problem.

It would genuinely be great characterization. Completely unlike DBM considering how often Salagir flubs stuff like this but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

If it's solely about XXI engendering good will and sympathizing with hunger, I'm super down for that because it'd be great characterization. 1 Replie(s)

Agreed. Just because you can make a few attempts at setup in universe doesn't make it a good out of universe decision for the story. Vegetto being stupid enough to just swallow beans from a super powered mage doesn't make for a fun or enjoyable story. It just comes across as kind of lazy and boring.

Didn't he hold back Cell with it for a long time and still survive?

Well, I see I've gotta turn off my brain to accept this.

What was stopping Tien from spamming it until Gohan was unconscious or dead? 1 Replie(s)

Yeah I guess... Feels like a cop out though and it ignores Goku's positive influence and the fact Vegeta sacrificed his own pride for the sake of others.

I feel like I was completely ignored lol. I addressed that. He ultimately threw that away for his family's sake to become Vegetto. That's part of his growth.

The Buu moment "You're number one" is certainly inferior to gaining a whole lifetime of someone's emotional growth and kinder personality. As for Goku's training, the guy spent 7 years without a proper rival and was perfectly happy just learning from people. He's spent most of his life without a proper rival and still loved to train.

In the end, the things you like about Vegetto are the things that I simply see as inferior and disingenuous storytelling. DBM says that Goku has had little to no positive influence on Vegetto as a person because of Vegeta not having his singular moment during the kid Buu fight despite the fact that, instead, Vegetto gained an entire lifetime of goodness via Goku. On top of that, it's simply willful ignorance on what the rivalry between Goku and Vegeta did for both of them. To ignore that story aspect is to pretend like it never happened and Vegeta was just some pure evil that has is wholly tainting and corrupting the good Goku brought to both Vegeta's life and the world around him. 1 Replie(s)

Vegeta still had growth and to pretend it was solely the Kid Buu moment is an overstatement since that only pertained to his relationship dynamic with Goku. Vegeta sacrificed his pride and threw away the hurt he felt from being thoroughly left behind when he heard how the people he cared about were absorbed or eaten by Buu. The extremes he went to just to gain enough power to equal SS2 Goku were significant but that was caused by his hurt ego and pride. That same ego and pride was thrown away because, ultimately, he chose to care for his family more than himself.

This all was in thanks to Goku who has been a great positive influence on him. Ultimately, DBM Vegetto forgets that influence entirely. It forgets how Vegeta slowly but surely was becoming his best self because of Goku and his family. Being fused with Goku shouldn't bring Goku's aspects down to ultimately create a worse person but uplift the better qualities of Vegeta because that's how their personalities played off of each other. Goku gained a sense of pride and respect for his heritage because of Vegeta and Vegeta, through attempting to catch up to Goku, started mimicking him(intentionally or not) by gaining a family and ultimately grew to care for them.

DBM says "Nah, what if he bad parent and evil doh?" Vegetto ultimately gained all the worst qualities of both of them and very little of the good despite the opposite being true in the manga. 10 years would only improve them, not degrade them. Vegetto entirely lacks any drive to self betterment with both his personality and his own prowess. Goku got stronger for the love of it. Vegeta wanted to be the strongest AND to surpass Goku, not JUST to surpass him.

Worse yet, DBM presents Bra in a sympathetic light by having everyone step in for her and praise her DESPITE the fact she's ACTUALLY murdered family and has only recently shown any remorse for her behavior yet somehow Vegetto keeps being presented as the bad guy on an inevitable path to corruption.

I know it's a matter of opinion but I do think it's kind of a disingenuous interpretation of Vegetto considering Vegeta was hours away at best from his full emotional growth. Being fused with Goku would hasten that if anything. 1 Replie(s)

Maybe to you but to me personally it's just kind of a massive bummer to make him kind of a psycho(like his novel) when he shouldn't be and it sucks to see him constantly get crapped on. He had one cool moment and it was against a suped up fanfic Broly who was literally invincible and got free power ups so nothing but the final blow really mattered. It didn't even knock Broly out of his Legendary state. Then he got no diffed by XXI, there was the Bra sob stories to attempt to make him look bad, Buu being overpowered, Gast one shotting him with his cheat magic, plus now we gotta figure out how Bardock's vision comes to pass.

Just seems like a waste to me. The guy was literally willing to risk it all in an attempt to save his friends and family on his debut but DBM just kind of made him a whiney brat who loses most of the time and thinks about killing his family just to get a rise out of Gohan. 2 Replie(s)

Ah, so Old Kai meant to say something like "Wait, you've been weakened!"

Piccolo had maybe a week or two tops as it took him and the others longer than it took for Goku to recover and head to Namek. I believe it took 6-ish days for him to get to Namek?

They spent less time than Goku and it only brought him from 400ish to over 8k. A significant improvement to be sure but it's a far cry from being strong enough to hold back Semi-Perfect Cell. They also managed to get above Radditz on their own time. Piccolo himself managed to get to 3k I believe while the other humans got to at least Radditz level to like..... 2k ish maybe? All in roughly a year too! So it can't be said that they lost out a whole ton without King Kai since they've already proven themselves. Plus they DO have a doomsday clock ticking, even if they don't know the time frame! They knew the Saiyans would come back eventually, after all.

It does require a BIT of a stretch of the imagination to think they couldn't handle the Saiyans but it's not too egregious at least. King Kai does have some pretty solid training and skills.

Yes but you cited the Ginyu force fight which was filler.

Even though they have had more time than it took between the original Saiyan invasion and the actual Cell Saga, I think the author is going for an approach where he's assuming that their brief time with King Kai helped their fundamentals in training over their years. I doubt any of the humans are a real threat, otherwise the Saiyans would have been curbstomped effortlessly.

1 year between Radditz and the Saiyan Saga, a month or two-ish for Goku to recover and do the events on Namek, 1 year for the Namek Dragon Balls to make all their wishes, roughly a year for Goku to return after that, 3 more years for Android Saga prep. They've had about almost 4 extra years than canon Tien did to get strong enough to hold back Semi-Perfect Cell. This would put them roughly halfway between the end of the Cell Saga and the Buu Saga. The only real difference here is that canon Tien had a few months to train with King Kai.

That was filler. 2 Replie(s)

This implies that I remember any of their names at all. Don't overestimate me! I'll disappoint you!

Villains doing their best trustworthy expression

Damn. Talk about whiplash.

I commented on the previous page without realizing but with 10 years of training you'd think they'd be their Cell Saga selves since that was only 5ish years in between. I guess you could always blame the fact they're not trained by King Kai though! Even if some of them only got a few days of training.

10 years, huh? Considering that's less time than it took between the original Saiyan Saga and the Cell Saga, the one where Tenshinhan held off Semi-Perfect Cell, I'm gonna guess their training was just worse somehow.

This is worse than DBM ending..... Who will make fun of DBM now?

I hope this isn't the end. This is my favorite spin-off.

There was a poll? There's an end?

People just don't like the narrative dissonance of "guys who can blow up planets casually are also hurt by normal looking weapons"

Poor Phipsil or whatever the hell her name is.... 1 Replie(s)

Gotta agree with ZenBuu there. Even if it was an issue of power, just make Gogeta and do it. They had a year.

He straight up says he missed. Also, hate to break it to you, but most everyone in Super is infinitely beyond anybody in DBM(except DBM Beerus and Whis, maybe... if they're canon.)

You said this wasn't canon, right? 1 Replie(s)

This is the kind of art quality I expect. Good stuff.

Really feels like one last moment of calm before end game.

Ah, Lady Edelgard. Good to see her here. Very cute!

Eh, mistakes happen. No worries.

Oh, so Vegetto won't just be generically evil and bad to justify Bra but it looks like XXI is gonna use magic on him. Maybe even invade his body like this old guy.

You know, I think it would have just been easier to make her an unsympathetic villain.

Vegetto: "I forbid you to kill her because I want you to train your temper"
Bra: -Kills Zangya after losing her temper-
Vegetto: "She really improved I'm so proud :)"

Bra really needed to be taken down a peg in a different way and to have her family actually reject her. Pan was the only one to do so outside of Vegetto and that lasted for all of like two seconds. The memes about Phipsil forgiving Bra so easily were hilarious at least. I remember one in specific having a gun drawn behind her head.

The problem with a character like her is she didn't have nearly the amount of reasonable time or repeated humiliations to serve as karmic retribution for what she did. She killed her brother as a child, blew up a planet, and her only thought was "Does this mean I surpassed Gohan?" with a grin on her face. At the very least we know she's grown SOME from that, showing remorse for later hurting Gohan and Vegetto, but she never suffered any retribution from that either.

She keeps avoiding her comeuppance in a way that matters and no punishment ever lasts more than minutes(in story) with her. Everybody else has to pay for her attitude and the one good thing she's done is not fight, yet we're supposed to treat that as massive growth. It's a shame because she REALLY could have been an excellent Vegeta type of hero too, especially if they took a sacrificial route after some karmic retribution like Vegeta's Final Explosion against Buu. She's forever stained now though because she's not a bad person turned good but a brat turned normal. Maybe she could have had some character development if she was forced to stay as Kold for a while? Could have had Vegetto take this as a chance to teach her a lesson or she could have approached Goten while barely healed to explain and have him tell her off for everything she's done, making her question if she even should go back.

At least she was cool and had some fun fights though! She looked cool as a Majin and had a few cool techniques. It really makes me wish that Toriyama would have been more creative himself.... Oh well.

Man, I remember this. People were already hating on Bra already at this point but they got really pissed when Vegetto forgave her for giving in to her anger and going against his orders. 1 Replie(s)

Ah, 18, my beloved.

Man, Gast is just kind of a punching bag now, huh? Getting cheap shotted by Buu and now digested by XXI. 1 Replie(s)

Anti-matter wouldn't do much. It's just the same matter with the opposite charge. The annihilation of a particle with its anti particle also releases the energy contained within those particles. It's not erasure. That's why it still makes Black holes bigger.

What you'd want is the lesser known negative matter and negative energy. In effect, it's matter and energy that'd instead subtract from mass and energy. Pouring it into a black hole would cause it to shrink, mathematically. That stuff, though, is purely hypothetical and hasn't really been observed in nature as of yet.

I recognize that pose from the Super Manga. That's MSSB Goku about to use Hakai.

"Send Drone to Kill Sender" God don't we all wish we had that button?

Team Four Star's Abridged series, actually. They made a funny line about it, got weirdly defensive about the position and would go on interviews, spread misinformation like "Cell Arc was the original end of Dragon Ball Z!", etc. It also coincided with the rise of hate towards the Faulconer score because the main writer and editor hated it personally and would platform that often.

Look if Krillin can go from like sub 200 for most of his life to killing three Saibamen in a years time and Tenshinhan going from similar to holding back Semi-Perfect Cell in a few years, I think we shouldn't just write off characters just because they used to suck. Maybe Hercule's weirdly uncanny ability to comedically face tank blows from the likes of Cell and Buu will actually be used seriously.

He's from the last episodes/chapters(?) of Z. The tournament they discover Uub at.

It's not fun. It's poorly written, nonsensical, full of copy pasted poses, the art can't even be carried by the story, and it was presumed to be canon so it dragged down the overall story. It's fun to rip apart, sure, but you've had people explicitly and repeatedly say why they keep returning despite it being the worst story ever hosted. We don't want the DBM staff to assume we tolerate or, worse, enjoy this or approve of this dragging down the overall story through ridiculous decisions. Personally? I don't really tend to read the stories that aren't lore related to DBM. I read some of the Legend of Namek or whatever because it was a genuinely good story but once it got to a certain point I stopped because I wanted to. It had no canon reason to demand my attention and I left pretty satisfied.

You keep responding as if you have no clue what's going on, you often respond to general animosity with your own which I've seen push commenters away, and you act as if people should be grateful for every free thing presented when stories like this can drag down the enjoyment of other ongoing stories by being connected. This is a negative value story. You and I both know that nobody on the DBM team actually wants people to stop reading when they hate the direction DBM and its various stories are going. This site sticks around solely because it desires the attention of others. If everybody stopped reading whenever something contentious cropped up, DBM wouldn't have survived U16 Bra, let alone every time someone had a complaint. Acting ignorant of that doesn't change the fact the team needs people to read. Otherwise there'd be no point to a comment section and no point to any of these stories.

For real? What, is that confirmed by Salagir? Awesome, if so. It means this is literally a waste of time since it has zero entertainment value and provides nothing to the overall story. This is the best thing you could have said.

See ya, everybody. I hope they wise up and don't host sub-par fanfiction again. 1 Replie(s)

That Gero art looks fucking siiiiiiick. Great detail.

Eh, modern DB is more consistent than this by far. Supposedly it's only been a year since they all died so Broly should be pretty massively outclassed regardless. Hell, we have a Majin Buu absorbed form who knows Kaioken now and can power up more than 20 times his base level. Just a year ago, the prior Buu form was at least putting up some sort of fight and Broly barely managed to survive the Black Hole. There's basically no reason for Broly to be alive if they're doing this.

Honestly? A simpler answer would have been to the Kais and Yemma/etc. go "As the rulers of the Afterlife, we've decided Broly can stay the hell out there while everyone else stays in here" and done some wish shenanigans to teleport the rest of the universe into the infinite afterlife. Leave Broly alone in an infinite void of nothing and black holes while life prospers, ironically, in the afterlife.

It's just a provably poor excuse to say "Well they're weaker than Vegetto was at the tournament!" because Broly is also MASSIVELY weaker, factually, than he was at the tournament as well. Broly also has to wait to get stronger and they've been training hard, tirelessly since they're dead, to grow more powerful. Broly's entire excuse, narratively, to be frozen while in his Legendary state was so his power would continuously grow so that he wouldn't get easily stomped by the top tiers in the tournament. They wanted him to be an actual threat. Even then, with well over a decade of being frozen, he still lost to Vegetto.

Someone should have read over this story before publishing to avoid massive glaring issues like this at the least. 1 Replie(s)

Oh, we're not complaining about a lack of story. We're complaining about a really poorly written and thought out story. A good story, even with some plot holes, can have its flaws overlooked. A story with immediate logical flaws that never get addressed and only exacerbated with each page gets rightfully criticized.

If you didn't write them sending jobbers to the slaughter and wasting time with attacks they know will never work and went right for fusion and absorption, there'd be far less complaining. Instead you made everyone be stupid as Broly's excuse for surviving instead of doing something creative and cool for him to overcome. Hell, you could have had him exploit his invulnerability when he saw Gogeta and had him avoid Gogeta's full force with glancing blows in an attempt to avoid getting shocked out of Legendary. This could have been a really cool and thrilling game of cat and mouse where Broly is unknowingly also running out Gogeta's clock while exploiting his own ability to grow stronger as time goes on. Honestly, most anything would be better. This is just garbage.

Simple. It retroactively makes DBM lesser for this story's existence. Whenever you read or reread DBM, you'll know that the only reason Broly was in the tournament at all was because everybody at the tournament was so ridiculously stupid in his universe and, supposedly, this stupidity also applies to our cast of fighters as well since the major difference here was they missed sending Broly into the sun.

Canonically, almost every fighter in U16 and U18 and every equivalent person is FACTUALLY as stupid as this special portrays now across infinite timelines and we have to deal with it. I ignore most of the side stories if they're not directly Special chapters but I was interested despite the art being sub-par compared to even the infamous Bojack special. Buu dying because he can't absorb Broly or use magic on him or regenerate from a single piece despite Super Buu regenerating from VAPOR, I could forgive because you know it's one minor gripe over a story that was essentially Broly cheap shotting the entire planet while everyone who could fight him was sleeping. That story didn't need much more than that.

This is continuous, repeated idiocy being presented as U20 backstory which retroactively changes the intelligence of dozens of characters. Even if it's not done "in direct collaboration" with Salagir, there's no reason to host it if it's not being presented as accepted canon. There's no reason to devote any resources to moderating its pages or translating this since it's not even buying Salagir and Asura time to create their own pages. Thus I will criticize it and tear Sayazur to shreds for it. If it was just art, that's one thing. We've dealt with terrible art and ugly styles before. Never before, however, have we had something retroactively make DBM worse on the level that this has.

Every single one of these villains and heroes are now supposedly room temperature IQ for no reason other than the Sayazur probably just wanted to see Broly effortlessly slaughter people(Except Raditz???) and strike poses with lots of veins all over. I don't have to be grateful for something well and truly awful that lowers the quality of everything related to it just because it's free. People should be as loud as possible about it because every time comments get upset over something there's lots of excuses of "But it's free!" Gotta learn eventually that sometimes things can have negative value.

Not only that but they clearly want our interest and if they want to keep it, complaining that we're complaining does nothing. They want our attention. That's why they put it out in public on the internet for everyone to see. If they're not prepared for scathing comments then stop putting out comics. 1 Replie(s)

I call dibs.

Good catch, dude! Unfortunately, I'm not sure his smokey form can be stabbed like that lol

Could have used a wish to make some Potara too. There's tons of options to explore yet all they did was "Broly kills room temperature IQ versions of everyone". That and poorly copying poses from the games, manga, or anime.

Broly: Final Bore


And this Broly is also supposed to be a lot weaker too so it doesn't really matter. On top of that, Goku and Vegeta never stopped training either so "Vegetto had more time to train" is a non-factor too. Broly's big thing in DBM is passively getting stronger and invincibility. It took decades to get to Vegetto tier, however. Adding the "Goku and Vegeta have already tired themselves out" plot device makes them seem completely stupid. Wasting their power, making their fusion weaker, giving Broly a chance, and ultimately dooming everyone because of constant idiocy makes for an awful story. The reason this story gets so much criticism is because any critical thinking whatsoever would have dealt with Broly rather quickly and easily. The story is poorly thought out, it's seemingly supposed to be "canon" which brings down the quality of the main story we enjoy, the story itself isn't worth the pages it's been put onto when you could have just put up a summary of "Everyone was a complete idiot for no reason and Broly epicly double killed them", and at this point watching this train wreck destroy itself with it's nonsensical logic is its own morbid fun.

The answer to "How would a villain win" should never be "Everyone else was stupid and purposefully wasted their chance to win for no good reason" and yet this story did just that.

It's nuage. Finally. Canon to DBM.

Again, reminder, this Broly is much weaker than DBM Vegetto and Tournament Broly, much less something roughly equivalent to SS3 Vegetto. 1 Replie(s)

I wonder how this doesn't one shot Broly. 1 Replie(s)

Ah, now she's nothing but a collectible doll and a broken fuel tank..... I wonder how much she'd go for on Ebay.

More like REALLY CUTE. 1 Replie(s)

"I'm full" is not something you wanna hear from an absorbtion model.

This had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Like at all lol

Dude, why the hell is Krillin so cool right now? 1 Replie(s)

Honestly my favorite minicomic in general. This is a pretty solid page too, especially since I've been playing DQ lately.

I never really liked this, personally.

Kick ass design for Krillin.

You are literally defending it and I cut out the rest because it was irrelevant. They came at Broly at their weakest, risked the ability to fuse, risked Buu and his absorption, and the story is getting justifiably blasted for its really terrible writing. Pretending this is any deeper than "Broly kills people and fights dudes" isn't gonna make this any better.




Exactly. On top of that, they did everything in their power to be as inefficient as possible. Nobody else got their potential unlocked by Old Kai, nobody looked for any magical solutions, nothing was explored other than "Hope our punches and beam attacks against a guy much more powerful than us and with literal invincibility works". What would have happened if Broly just one shot Vegeta? Gohan? Buu? Then we'd have no Gogeta. No absorptions. None of the heavy hitters.

Instead of acknowledging that there's major hurdles to writing a "Broly wins" story within the DBM setting, the writer simply ignored every possible approach and decided broly killing battling irrelevant fodder while covered in bulging veins was the more important option. There are so many better writers, better scenarios, better stories on this website. I keep hoping something will turn this around but it keeps getting lower in quality. What a disgrace.

Defending "We're gonna needlessly risk Vegeta, Goku, Majin Buu, and the ability to fuse and absorb entirely, for no good reason and then do it anyway." as a plan is a strange hill to die on but you do you. We're all very aware that they're hoping to revive everyone. We can read. It doesn't change the fact that there was no point to Buu not having a bunch of people absorbed already and no point in fighting Broly as Super Saiyan 3 for Vegeta or Goku because they can sense power levels and they all died already. SS3 Gogeta with fused Buu backup is their best chance. Heck, using one of those wishes to give the Saiyans Legendary forms could have at least been addressed as plot points, even if it was just later dismissed as Beyond Porunga's power or too complex to make a variant where they're not insanely evil like Broly. It could have been a really interesting idea to explore possible ways to defeat DBM's version of the Legendary Super Saiyan but it just ended up being a pointless stomp fic with Radditz of all people being expected to go head to head with Broly. 1 Replie(s)

Because "If we manage to defeat Broly" ISN'T a plan, it's a hope. Kibitoshin wishing for the stuff that Broly destroyed to be restored ALSO isn't a plan to defeat Broly. Buu not absorbing everyone to be ready from the start and not having a fusion dance ready, instead hoping SS3 and some change is enough, is also NOT a plan. 1 Replie(s)

That kick literally should have knocked Broly out of Legendary. Weaker than the tournament version.

Look, I need to give credit where credit is due. Salagir? Team? Gast is fucking awesome. I love he at least has SOME magic, is relevant in terms of power, isn't completely overpowered, and has an EXCELLENT design. Simple yet distinct. Feels very Dragon Ball and like he'd be right at home in the main cast. I don't really comment unless the quality dips from good to bad or downright horrendous but I do gotta hand it to you guys that I just genuinely enjoy this character immensely.

Zen Buu was kind of boring magic wise because, while cool, the rest of the cast were just useless. Mostly that's due to Toriyama's fault. His refusal to expand upon powers much beyond "attack that does damage" for the the heroes really kind of makes things feel samey but I was hoping that what with Bra showing some new techniques we might have some creative ki powers from at least Vegetto's universe. Gast getting one shot kind of left you guys with no option BUT to teleport him back home. I get this builds hype for XII because now he has to get around that but characters like Gast make things so much more interesting.

I really hope we get to see more of the creativity and general "That makes TONS of sense" type abilities from the rest of the cast like you did with him. He's only got a few it seems but damn it makes things really interesting. Honestly, I really do love the sealing technique he used. Feels like an obvious and reasonable expansion to established abilities like Mafuba. Can't permanently seal but it CAN force a creature like Majin Buu and his many scattered parts into a temporarily restrained spot.

You sometimes flub with stuff like misinterpreting Vegetto's kiai as a specialized technique rather than flexing on Buu by using a weak technique to destroy a part of him but you really knocked it out of the park with Gast. Gast is so fucking cool dude. Genuinely one of my favorite fan creations of all time.

I'm curious what constitutes a shock considering being knocked unconscious in the tournament didn't get him out of the state. 1 Replie(s)

The monkey's paw curls...

I mean, we saw their faces in the preview.

Above. Otherwise he wouldn't have beaten Broly. As soon as he went SS3 the fight was over. Broly's power also was stated to multiply at least twice during their fight. 1 Replie(s)

I love Z Broly's outfit. Slap that onto Super Broly, give him a cool shirt or something, it'd be the best Broly by far. I loved the cute and sweet Broly we got in Super. Makes the rage snap that much more impactful for me, though I AM biased to the gentle giant with Hidden Rage trope.

Well don't forget that Broly is still YEARS behind his DBM tournament level of power. He was sitting around as a Legendary for untold years in Universe 20 and even after that his power had to multiply a few times while fighting Vegetto. Even with multiple free power ups during his battle Broly still lost and was knocked unconscious(Which somehow wasn't enough to knock him out of Legendary for some reason). U20 Broly would realistically get two shot(One to disable Legendary, another to kill) by any Buu Saga or post Buu Saga Gogeta or Vegetto if they went SS3 since we know Gohan is still relevant to at least Base Vegetto by the time of the tournament. That should mean that Vegetto isn't too much more powerful than he was before.

Actually that's a good point. Why WOULDN'T Ginyu's body change work? It's not even about invincibility at that point. Your soul is just straight up leaving you. If nothing else it should at least be a guaranteed way of knocking Broly out of the Legendary transformation because what's more of a shock than your entire soul being yanked out of your body?

Please just ask ZenBuu to color or something....

Would Trunks even be useful? He's only human. 1 Replie(s)

XXI is probably gonna be forced to finally reveal more of his true power but still win.

Secret King Cold lore.

Squidward took over Cooler in panel 3. You can tell by the nose. Secret lore? 1 Replie(s)

Plenty of ways Broly loses, yeah. Him ever really winning really does require the heroes to really waste their time and make the worst possible plans.

If Plan B is smarter than "Let him beat our asses with his superior power level while he continues to grow stronger with no way to stop his LITERAL INVINCIBILITY" then it's stupid they waited. If it's smarter than "Hey, let's let RADDITZ fight Broly", then they're stupid for waiting. If it's smarter than "Let's do literally anything but bring fighters literally hundreds of millions of times weaker than us to fight a guy that already killed us" then yes they're stupid for waiting. They already lost combat outright. They can sense energy. They know he outmatches them by leagues. They literally just sent waves of people to be erased from existence. Can't even blame Vegeta's pride because this is post character development and the same Vegeta that was willing to fuse after appealing to his family.

Don't be bitter that people point out flaws in a story or don't like something. Free or not doesn't protect something from being judged in entertainment value. That's the whole point of a comment section. 1 Replie(s)

I was thinking less doing harm and wishing for things like Potential Unlocks, giving the Saiyans Legendary States that DON'T make them insane or kill them, wish for knowledge on how to overcome the invulnerability, reviving people AS immortals so he can't kill you, making your Otherworld bodies immortal so he can't DOUBLE kill you, etc.

Broly is just lucky nobody is willing to use the vast amount of resources at their disposal in general and that we don't know if magic even works on him. Honestly, I'm shocked they didn't even try candy beam or Mafuba. Welp, their stupidity is Broly's gain!

Exaaaaaaaaactly my point. It just goes to show Broly surviving is so improbable and requires so many people to be really dumb that they have to do things like recruit Radditz of all people to fight Broly. The Legendary Super Saiyan gets hard carried by people doing nothing to stop him. It really kind of de-legitimizes him as a threat when you really think about it. He's strong in the moment but fusion, magic, and wishes kind of ruin him.

If there's any take away from all this, it's that in no universe does Broly surviving all three times makes no sense. Mind you, this take is separate from anything to do with the actual comic. A single fusion between two adult Saiyans, especially ones as strong as Vegeta and Goku let alone any fusion with Gohan, should be more than enough to take Broly out. On top of that, Broly only became a threat to Vegetto after many years of uninterrupted stasis in his Legendary form. To add onto this, if any of them had any access to Namekians and Dragon Balls, wishing for a version of the Legendary state that doesn't drive you insane should be pretty easy too. Then you have to question if something like Buu's magic, Dabura's spit, Buu's absorption, etc. could bypass his limited invulnerability(which he loses after receiving a powerful enough blow undoes his transformation). Then, for the sake of all existence, you have to pretend like Old Kai or Goku AND Vegeta wouldn't somehow agree to get that free Potential unlock while Broly's rampaging in the living world to then do fusion. You have to go through a lot of hoops, a lot of conveniences, a lot of characters actively making the absolute worst decisions, a lot of intentional misuse of magic, and more to get to a scenario anywhere close to this. Man, no wonder there was only one universe where Broly survived. Everybody had to willfully hold back all their best options to let him survive.

Good cover though. Legitimate upgrade in art and coloring. Good job, Sayazur. 1 Replie(s)

You know, all things considered, I'm shocked Chibi Bra hasn't done some sort of G Gundam reference already. Feels on brand.

Probably wouldn't do it because it'd detract from the vibe of "Broly slaughtering dudes" and be funny. Plus it'd leave him stuck as a chocolate bar and the Vargas would have to deal with that instead.

Broly: "Whoa.... Radditz added his ki to this combined blast?! My one weakness! Weakness itself! NOOOOO!!!!!!"

I also gotta wonder why Buu didn't try a candy beam and Dabura didn't try stone spit. I mean this is an obvious "It'd be neat to see Broly just trash everyone" fic but those are neat ideas, still! Could have tested it and had his invincibility block it or something and then have Dabura getting absolutely destroyed after his spit failed. 3 Replie(s)

Honestly I wish we had someone in canon who was a strong magic fighter. I liked Moro's abilities for a while but eventually he just turned into a punchy dude too. It'd be nice to great some creativity other than "ki blasts and fisticuffs."

Too busy smiling and enjoying the good page, bro.