Probably wants all three wishes.

Lampshading that people don't like what you did doesn't make it retroactively better.

I'm glad they're at least speedrunning away from the final match disaster. Hopefully we'll get to see something actually interesting and fun in the next couple pages instead of curbstomps. 1 Replie(s)

I am suddenly okay with Goku not showing up when the Saiyans arrived. This is really sweet. I hope/wish it's more than just a page and that Chichi at least gets to hug him goodbye. Just a big hug between the two of them as Goku's body disappears would be perfect.

If only the people saying "she isn't being portrayed sympathetically" could have seen how she got treated later as a sympathetic and sad child. lol

This would be a poor narrative decision. I will just assume it's there to look cool and not actually canon.


You mistake DBM logic for canon. Goku was allowed to interfere with the affairs of the living just fine because he had saved the Earth before. Enma also had him prepare specifically for the Saiyans. If he had such an issue with the dead interfering with the living, he wouldn't have allowed that. There was never anything to suggest they had a policy against that. The Bojack special is where that idea came from.

I'd be down with Piccolo getting a Namekian fusion boost from Gast, now that we're mentioning them. It'd still be potentially temporary and be a good way for Piccolo to actually be able to counter the time stop. 1 Replie(s)

Agreed. Just because you point out in story that you made a bad decision with your story it doesn't mean that fixes anything or it somehow becomes ironic or funny or whatever you're intending. All this shows is Salagir chose to make a bad decision, knew it would be disappointing, and still went through with it despite having this foresight. 1 Replie(s)

You say this but the majority of the criticism is "I don't like this and think this was a wasted opportunity. I wish they didn't write this." and variations. 1 Replie(s)

Oh boy. Another page explaining what we already knew.

It's not about Goku defeating XXI. It's about XXI now being too OP for the rest of the cast and being denied a spectacle. It was just kind of lame.

Yeah once he gets his wish, or doesn't, that reasoning is out the window. There's no reason he can't make his wish or fail to get it, presumably to be able to travel the multiverse, and just eat or kill everyone while they're frozen in time. On top of that, that logic doesn't work for anybody who rebels. He can one shot literally everyone here now and they can't defend themselves or react. Salagir accidentally made an invincible and untouchable god so now he's gonna have to write some massive weaknesses for his various abilities. 1 Replie(s)

I see we're wasting the final match to speed things up to the main conflict. Why didn't XXI just kill everyone here with time stop? Because it'd ruin the story, obviously, but the team doesn't seem to care about throwing away plot points to speed things along. Vegetto can't stop him. Gast can't stop him. He has irresistible magic, time stop that lets him punch above his power class, the ability to absorb energy, is supposedly not alive so who knows if he can even be killed. Now what?

Whoever tries to stop him or resist him can just get instantly one shotted now. I'K'L could kill Vegetto despite being Android level. Who can even TOUCH this guy now? Hell, Gast can't even put up a fight anymore because Gast can just consume him while time stopped and nobody else has Gast's level of regen and magic. The only one who can resist him now, POTENTIALLY, is Uub now that we know everyone else is effectively worthless against XXI.

Like I said before, Salagir made magic way too over powered. Now there's very little the rest of the cast can do that would make for a believable defeat since XXI has so many irresistible abilities and can literally one shot the entire cast with one explosion while time stopped. 2 Replie(s)

How did you know?!

Nah, but seriously. It's just kind of a bummer. Fakeout or not, it's just not fun seeing people get no diffed. The Gast fight was fun but I guess Salagir's just thinking "Well, Goku is just Gast with more power and less abilities so let's make it quick!" Whatever. I just hope this isn't dragged out with lots of dialogue so we can get to the evil rebellion asap. Maybe that'll be more entertaining.

Magic is too overpowered in DBM. It was the same with Zen Buu being able to counter everyone but Gast until he had prep time to solo Gast. Really just makes it feel like everyone in Dragon Ball wasted their time with ki since apparently magic just hard counters most of it. Really annoying how magic keeps getting overwhelming victories and one shots. 1 Replie(s)

Way to go Yamcha!!

Oh damn this is a good twist. I hope it works.

Panel 3 looks nice.

I'll try to address these one by one.

1. Vegeta stated that he had surpassed his father when he was a child. Databooks at the time clocked King Vegeta at around 10k. Like it or not, that's what colored the public perception. This means for like 30 years or so Vegeta didn't even double his power level. Even if we ignored that and he got there across his entire life from battling, a few Zenkais easily sped him way past that. Training was very obviously a non-factor for Vegeta up until after Namek.

2. Vegeta did indeed get stronger in the Namek Saga.... through Zenkais. Not training. They can get stronger through battle but the difference is not nearly as impactful as Zenkai and, as we've seen with Goku, pretty negligible over many decades compared to Zenkais and proper training. Just because Vegeta says it doesn't mean it matters when we clearly see and know where he got the majority of his power.

3. Krillin didn't get to train with King Kai and Yamcha got a week with King Kai tops. Tien and Chiaotzu are the only humans who got to train with King Kai for a significant amount of time and it seems to have made no appreciable difference. We also have proof that training together is FACTUALLY superior to just getting Kami's training. I also think it's disingenuous to attribute all of their success, as well as Goku's, to the brief time they had with Kami and King Kai as they're all competent and talented individuals who work hard at what they do.

4. This is just arguing semantics and I don't know why you even brought it up? Splitting and then fusing back together is still fusing and it still gave Piccolo a good excuse for a huge power boost whereas the humans didn't really have such a good excuse. Saiyans had busted physiology, Piccolo had Namekian fusion, the humans had nothing.

5. Divine training means very little considering how inconsistent it was. Remember, Goku over a few years remained in the low hundreds by training with Kami and then having an extra 5 years between that and Radditz's arrival. The humans multiplied their power levels from the lower hundreds to Radditz level and beyond. The two groups had a massive difference in effectiveness with regards to training. Kami is clearly irrelevant here since Goku didn't get anywhere near the same results.

I think you're missing the point that I've made too that it doesn't make sense for the humans to have gotten that strong in canon. It feels like you think I'm arguing that there's no way the Saiyans could have gotten stronger either when I absolutely agreed they could have easily, especially when wrangling Gohan. It just needed better elaboration and maybe less of a time jump. Your time would be better spent debating others.

Training with strong partners, with high gravity, biological cheat codes like Zenkai, and having magic to assist is massively more effective than any other training that's ever been shown. Divine training with Kami didn't even get Goku past 500, Divine training with Kami only got him to 8k. Zenkais were the most massive early jump from him. His training later on was also infinitely more successful than any training he got from King Kai or Kami. You're also forgetting Vegeta didn't train with any godly entity and, at best, had increased gravity and the time chamber as his major training and did INFINITELY better than Goku got from his training with gods. Goku himself admits that if Vegeta couldn't beat the Androids, he couldn't beat them. Goku's training with Gohan, both gravity and having a strong enough partner, brought him from below 17+18 to above Semi Perfect Cell and doing fairly well against a Perfect Cell that was holding back.

Again though, like I said it doesn't matter. The manga was nonsensical with how strong the humans got and Goten-Kun's scaling makes more sense to me, even if I still find it a little much. Gohan's like 14 right now and by that time he was a Super Saiyan 2 in the main continuity. 5 years would have made more sense. 1 Replie(s)

Mostly because Vegeta canonically has BARELY improved since he was a toddler and the Saiyans also never trained much if at all. Like really? Saibaman level when KRILLIN can one shot like 3 or 4 of them? Come on, Radditz. Like I said before though, just dropping "dealing with Gohan's temper tantrums really improved our power levels!" would be a solid enough excuse for somewhat decent improvements. Hell, remember how he nearly overpowered third form Freeza after a Guru buff to Saiyan Saga Vegeta level and a senzu to heal his broken neck from Recoome? Even Piccolo wasn't touching third form and Gohan's anger shot him up THAT far. Saiyans having the excuse that Gohan's baby rage was that dangerous and helpful to their growth is a GREAT excuse.

The humans get UNREASONABLY powerful in the manga. Putting Goku's whole life to shame in one year by doing way better than he ever did training with Kami, Tien surviving getting touched by the Androids period, Yamcha being strong enough for Doctor Gero to assume that he's Goku, Krillin surviving a single kick from Perfect Cell. Meanwhile the Saiyans are pulling zenkais out their ass, Super Saiyan forms, and Piccolo gets TWO Namekian fusions. Hell, why did HERCULE survive getting smacked into a plateau by Cell other than Toriyama finding it funny? There no reason any of them should have survived and Tien definitely shouldn't have been able to hold off Cell but he did anyway. 1 Replie(s)

Again, I point out that Goku had MORE time to train with Kami than they did with an extra 5 years AFTER that training. They accomplished more in one year than he did in almost a decade. The only difference was they trained together showing that Kami's training is actually pretty irrelevant considering how little it boosted Goku.

I will also bring up I DID mention this is a clearly inconsistent jump in power and Toriyama himself clearly didn't think about it too much. Again, Tenshinhan goes from Jobber to MVP staller against Semi-Perfect Cell in the course of 3 years and some change with King Kai all because of a single technique. Considering such a feat, the guy should be one shotting 100% Freeza.

Goten-kun's scaling, while a bit unreasonable, is perfectly fine considering how unreasonable the power scaling gets for the humans in the actual manga. Scaling that back is perfectly acceptable in my opinion.

In one year they went from less than 200 to stronger than Radditz with Krillin killing several Saibamen in one attack. Goku, with MORE time with Kami AND a 5ish year time gap afterward, couldn't even crack 1k with his strongest Kamehameha after well over half a decade. You are severely underestimating the humans here. Having decent training partners(or in the case of Saiyans, Zenkais and high gravity), is clearly far more valuable. Tien, with 3 years after the Saiyan saga on his own, held back Semi-Perfect Cell. It'd make way more sense if the Saiyans have just gotten that much stronger because of Gohan's fits of anger causing him to rebel and them having to deal with Freeza.

The truth though is Toriyama wanted people to catch up at least somewhat so they did. Doesn't matter what the difference was before. That's why I don't think it's THAT big of a deal that the scaling is wonky. 10 years IS way too much time but ultimately it doesn't matter because the humans apparently could have just trained a year together on Kami's Lookout and surpassed Goku with ease before Radditz ever showed up and Tien just needed to invent the Shin Kikoho to one shot Freeza. 1 Replie(s)

Nice expression on Tien in panel 3. Good work on the lines around the eyes.

Mafuba not working with too big of a power gap seems fine to me. The only real issue with the story I have is how weak the humans are compared to their Cell Saga selves. If the Saiyans were shown to have gotten some buffs from, say, wrangling Gohan and HIS crazy potential into being an obedient soldier as well as dealing with Freeza I don't think I'd have much if any issue. 10 years is just too big of a gap, realistically, for this story to work at all. Also this Gohan would be older than his Cell Saga self even with the Time Chamber training.

Honestly I'd love an actual excuse for them all, Saiyans included, to still be this weak. Goten-kun clearly has the chops for it. Maybe the Saiyans have been secretly getting zenkais under Freeza's nose, maybe they've also been scouting out how strong Freeza might actually be and what to do about his dad so they've been keeping their true power secret and are having to bring it out against the humans. Hell, you could even excuse Tien getting no diffed by Gohan by saying the gap between Kikoho and Shin Kikoho is just THAT huge in this canon.

Of course I don't expect Goten-kun to alter or add anything. The story's fine as is. I just have the one personal hang up and it's ultimately not that important. Though comment sections ARE for yapping so why not yap?

The only actual issue here with the Mafuba is Chiaotzu forgot to throw down a sealing container. Mafuba's pointless without one! 1 Replie(s)

That's fair enough. You feel what you feel. The common sentiment I've seen, and share, is that while it's overall good it has some REALLY bad spots that are largely disliked. You're very much the minority but it's not like you're WRONG either since taste isn't objective. 2 Replie(s)

The constant defense squad whenever people criticize seems a little silly. DBM is infamous for its sudden dips in quality and for Salagir's questionable logic at times. This happens and will continue to happen until the end of the comic.

At the very least the team can rest easy knowing it'll never be as poorly written as Broly: Final War. I'd take Bra and South Kaioshin any day over something like that. It's a genuinely fun comic when it doesn't do these massive dips out of nowhere. Why else would so many people be commenting after so many years? 2 Replie(s)

Man, this is kind of annoying. Having bad stuff happen because a character is being annoying and stupid kind of sucks the fun out of a story and its events. Oh well.

This is super awkward. South Kai comes in, beats them up, leaves, and comes back in like two seconds? Stupid. 3 Replie(s)

So the What If chapter with kakaditz was a waste of time AND inaccurate just because?

So it wasn't a mental block and Radditz was just weaker. I guess probably because of XXI? That or "Haha Radditz weak" memes.

Well I can tell this is just gonna be another round of disappointment. Let's hope it doesn't reach Bra levels of disappointment.

After 10 years they should be past their Cell Saga selves and half way to their Buu saga selves but the author seems to have forgotten that or has yet to reveal why things are different. 2 Replie(s)

It's kind of sad he doesn't have a soul. Nothing but oblivion waiting for him when he dies and endless hunger while alive.

True. Maybe add on top an invulnerability to soul manipulation and then magic. Cover all your bases. Honestly, Broly's invulnerability is already a good start. IDK why anybody wouldn't be wishing for a better version of Legendary Super Saiyan after seeing it in action. Free power AND invulnerability? If you get it without the berserker rage it's game over for 99% of people.

Immortality and advanced healing is what they should want. That and Legendary Super Saiyan power minus the berserker rage. Maybe an immunity to that black goop that the tech warriors use too just in case. Not sure what else could beat that. 1 Replie(s)

I'm starting to think that too. Considering how bad it was, I don't think it really makes up for that.

I hope this isn't another speedblitzed problem solving thing like Salagir did with Buu and the Ginyu problem.

It would genuinely be great characterization. Completely unlike DBM considering how often Salagir flubs stuff like this but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

If it's solely about XXI engendering good will and sympathizing with hunger, I'm super down for that because it'd be great characterization. 1 Replie(s)

Agreed. Just because you can make a few attempts at setup in universe doesn't make it a good out of universe decision for the story. Vegetto being stupid enough to just swallow beans from a super powered mage doesn't make for a fun or enjoyable story. It just comes across as kind of lazy and boring.

Didn't he hold back Cell with it for a long time and still survive?

Well, I see I've gotta turn off my brain to accept this.

What was stopping Tien from spamming it until Gohan was unconscious or dead? 1 Replie(s)

Yeah I guess... Feels like a cop out though and it ignores Goku's positive influence and the fact Vegeta sacrificed his own pride for the sake of others.

I feel like I was completely ignored lol. I addressed that. He ultimately threw that away for his family's sake to become Vegetto. That's part of his growth.

The Buu moment "You're number one" is certainly inferior to gaining a whole lifetime of someone's emotional growth and kinder personality. As for Goku's training, the guy spent 7 years without a proper rival and was perfectly happy just learning from people. He's spent most of his life without a proper rival and still loved to train.

In the end, the things you like about Vegetto are the things that I simply see as inferior and disingenuous storytelling. DBM says that Goku has had little to no positive influence on Vegetto as a person because of Vegeta not having his singular moment during the kid Buu fight despite the fact that, instead, Vegetto gained an entire lifetime of goodness via Goku. On top of that, it's simply willful ignorance on what the rivalry between Goku and Vegeta did for both of them. To ignore that story aspect is to pretend like it never happened and Vegeta was just some pure evil that has is wholly tainting and corrupting the good Goku brought to both Vegeta's life and the world around him. 1 Replie(s)

Vegeta still had growth and to pretend it was solely the Kid Buu moment is an overstatement since that only pertained to his relationship dynamic with Goku. Vegeta sacrificed his pride and threw away the hurt he felt from being thoroughly left behind when he heard how the people he cared about were absorbed or eaten by Buu. The extremes he went to just to gain enough power to equal SS2 Goku were significant but that was caused by his hurt ego and pride. That same ego and pride was thrown away because, ultimately, he chose to care for his family more than himself.

This all was in thanks to Goku who has been a great positive influence on him. Ultimately, DBM Vegetto forgets that influence entirely. It forgets how Vegeta slowly but surely was becoming his best self because of Goku and his family. Being fused with Goku shouldn't bring Goku's aspects down to ultimately create a worse person but uplift the better qualities of Vegeta because that's how their personalities played off of each other. Goku gained a sense of pride and respect for his heritage because of Vegeta and Vegeta, through attempting to catch up to Goku, started mimicking him(intentionally or not) by gaining a family and ultimately grew to care for them.

DBM says "Nah, what if he bad parent and evil doh?" Vegetto ultimately gained all the worst qualities of both of them and very little of the good despite the opposite being true in the manga. 10 years would only improve them, not degrade them. Vegetto entirely lacks any drive to self betterment with both his personality and his own prowess. Goku got stronger for the love of it. Vegeta wanted to be the strongest AND to surpass Goku, not JUST to surpass him.

Worse yet, DBM presents Bra in a sympathetic light by having everyone step in for her and praise her DESPITE the fact she's ACTUALLY murdered family and has only recently shown any remorse for her behavior yet somehow Vegetto keeps being presented as the bad guy on an inevitable path to corruption.

I know it's a matter of opinion but I do think it's kind of a disingenuous interpretation of Vegetto considering Vegeta was hours away at best from his full emotional growth. Being fused with Goku would hasten that if anything. 1 Replie(s)

Maybe to you but to me personally it's just kind of a massive bummer to make him kind of a psycho(like his novel) when he shouldn't be and it sucks to see him constantly get crapped on. He had one cool moment and it was against a suped up fanfic Broly who was literally invincible and got free power ups so nothing but the final blow really mattered. It didn't even knock Broly out of his Legendary state. Then he got no diffed by XXI, there was the Bra sob stories to attempt to make him look bad, Buu being overpowered, Gast one shotting him with his cheat magic, plus now we gotta figure out how Bardock's vision comes to pass.

Just seems like a waste to me. The guy was literally willing to risk it all in an attempt to save his friends and family on his debut but DBM just kind of made him a whiney brat who loses most of the time and thinks about killing his family just to get a rise out of Gohan. 2 Replie(s)

Ah, so Old Kai meant to say something like "Wait, you've been weakened!"

Piccolo had maybe a week or two tops as it took him and the others longer than it took for Goku to recover and head to Namek. I believe it took 6-ish days for him to get to Namek?

They spent less time than Goku and it only brought him from 400ish to over 8k. A significant improvement to be sure but it's a far cry from being strong enough to hold back Semi-Perfect Cell. They also managed to get above Radditz on their own time. Piccolo himself managed to get to 3k I believe while the other humans got to at least Radditz level to like..... 2k ish maybe? All in roughly a year too! So it can't be said that they lost out a whole ton without King Kai since they've already proven themselves. Plus they DO have a doomsday clock ticking, even if they don't know the time frame! They knew the Saiyans would come back eventually, after all.

It does require a BIT of a stretch of the imagination to think they couldn't handle the Saiyans but it's not too egregious at least. King Kai does have some pretty solid training and skills.

Yes but you cited the Ginyu force fight which was filler.

Even though they have had more time than it took between the original Saiyan invasion and the actual Cell Saga, I think the author is going for an approach where he's assuming that their brief time with King Kai helped their fundamentals in training over their years. I doubt any of the humans are a real threat, otherwise the Saiyans would have been curbstomped effortlessly.

1 year between Radditz and the Saiyan Saga, a month or two-ish for Goku to recover and do the events on Namek, 1 year for the Namek Dragon Balls to make all their wishes, roughly a year for Goku to return after that, 3 more years for Android Saga prep. They've had about almost 4 extra years than canon Tien did to get strong enough to hold back Semi-Perfect Cell. This would put them roughly halfway between the end of the Cell Saga and the Buu Saga. The only real difference here is that canon Tien had a few months to train with King Kai.

That was filler. 2 Replie(s)

This implies that I remember any of their names at all. Don't overestimate me! I'll disappoint you!

Villains doing their best trustworthy expression

Damn. Talk about whiplash.

I commented on the previous page without realizing but with 10 years of training you'd think they'd be their Cell Saga selves since that was only 5ish years in between. I guess you could always blame the fact they're not trained by King Kai though! Even if some of them only got a few days of training.

10 years, huh? Considering that's less time than it took between the original Saiyan Saga and the Cell Saga, the one where Tenshinhan held off Semi-Perfect Cell, I'm gonna guess their training was just worse somehow.

This is worse than DBM ending..... Who will make fun of DBM now?

I hope this isn't the end. This is my favorite spin-off.

There was a poll? There's an end?

People just don't like the narrative dissonance of "guys who can blow up planets casually are also hurt by normal looking weapons"

Poor Phipsil or whatever the hell her name is.... 1 Replie(s)

Gotta agree with ZenBuu there. Even if it was an issue of power, just make Gogeta and do it. They had a year.

He straight up says he missed. Also, hate to break it to you, but most everyone in Super is infinitely beyond anybody in DBM(except DBM Beerus and Whis, maybe... if they're canon.)

You said this wasn't canon, right? 1 Replie(s)

This is the kind of art quality I expect. Good stuff.

Really feels like one last moment of calm before end game.

Ah, Lady Edelgard. Good to see her here. Very cute!

Eh, mistakes happen. No worries.

Oh, so Vegetto won't just be generically evil and bad to justify Bra but it looks like XXI is gonna use magic on him. Maybe even invade his body like this old guy.

You know, I think it would have just been easier to make her an unsympathetic villain.

Vegetto: "I forbid you to kill her because I want you to train your temper"
Bra: -Kills Zangya after losing her temper-
Vegetto: "She really improved I'm so proud :)"

Bra really needed to be taken down a peg in a different way and to have her family actually reject her. Pan was the only one to do so outside of Vegetto and that lasted for all of like two seconds. The memes about Phipsil forgiving Bra so easily were hilarious at least. I remember one in specific having a gun drawn behind her head.

The problem with a character like her is she didn't have nearly the amount of reasonable time or repeated humiliations to serve as karmic retribution for what she did. She killed her brother as a child, blew up a planet, and her only thought was "Does this mean I surpassed Gohan?" with a grin on her face. At the very least we know she's grown SOME from that, showing remorse for later hurting Gohan and Vegetto, but she never suffered any retribution from that either.

She keeps avoiding her comeuppance in a way that matters and no punishment ever lasts more than minutes(in story) with her. Everybody else has to pay for her attitude and the one good thing she's done is not fight, yet we're supposed to treat that as massive growth. It's a shame because she REALLY could have been an excellent Vegeta type of hero too, especially if they took a sacrificial route after some karmic retribution like Vegeta's Final Explosion against Buu. She's forever stained now though because she's not a bad person turned good but a brat turned normal. Maybe she could have had some character development if she was forced to stay as Kold for a while? Could have had Vegetto take this as a chance to teach her a lesson or she could have approached Goten while barely healed to explain and have him tell her off for everything she's done, making her question if she even should go back.

At least she was cool and had some fun fights though! She looked cool as a Majin and had a few cool techniques. It really makes me wish that Toriyama would have been more creative himself.... Oh well.

Man, I remember this. People were already hating on Bra already at this point but they got really pissed when Vegetto forgave her for giving in to her anger and going against his orders. 1 Replie(s)

Ah, 18, my beloved.

Man, Gast is just kind of a punching bag now, huh? Getting cheap shotted by Buu and now digested by XXI. 1 Replie(s)

Anti-matter wouldn't do much. It's just the same matter with the opposite charge. The annihilation of a particle with its anti particle also releases the energy contained within those particles. It's not erasure. That's why it still makes Black holes bigger.

What you'd want is the lesser known negative matter and negative energy. In effect, it's matter and energy that'd instead subtract from mass and energy. Pouring it into a black hole would cause it to shrink, mathematically. That stuff, though, is purely hypothetical and hasn't really been observed in nature as of yet.

I recognize that pose from the Super Manga. That's MSSB Goku about to use Hakai.

"Send Drone to Kill Sender" God don't we all wish we had that button?

Team Four Star's Abridged series, actually. They made a funny line about it, got weirdly defensive about the position and would go on interviews, spread misinformation like "Cell Arc was the original end of Dragon Ball Z!", etc. It also coincided with the rise of hate towards the Faulconer score because the main writer and editor hated it personally and would platform that often.

Look if Krillin can go from like sub 200 for most of his life to killing three Saibamen in a years time and Tenshinhan going from similar to holding back Semi-Perfect Cell in a few years, I think we shouldn't just write off characters just because they used to suck. Maybe Hercule's weirdly uncanny ability to comedically face tank blows from the likes of Cell and Buu will actually be used seriously.

He's from the last episodes/chapters(?) of Z. The tournament they discover Uub at.

It's not fun. It's poorly written, nonsensical, full of copy pasted poses, the art can't even be carried by the story, and it was presumed to be canon so it dragged down the overall story. It's fun to rip apart, sure, but you've had people explicitly and repeatedly say why they keep returning despite it being the worst story ever hosted. We don't want the DBM staff to assume we tolerate or, worse, enjoy this or approve of this dragging down the overall story through ridiculous decisions. Personally? I don't really tend to read the stories that aren't lore related to DBM. I read some of the Legend of Namek or whatever because it was a genuinely good story but once it got to a certain point I stopped because I wanted to. It had no canon reason to demand my attention and I left pretty satisfied.

You keep responding as if you have no clue what's going on, you often respond to general animosity with your own which I've seen push commenters away, and you act as if people should be grateful for every free thing presented when stories like this can drag down the enjoyment of other ongoing stories by being connected. This is a negative value story. You and I both know that nobody on the DBM team actually wants people to stop reading when they hate the direction DBM and its various stories are going. This site sticks around solely because it desires the attention of others. If everybody stopped reading whenever something contentious cropped up, DBM wouldn't have survived U16 Bra, let alone every time someone had a complaint. Acting ignorant of that doesn't change the fact the team needs people to read. Otherwise there'd be no point to a comment section and no point to any of these stories.

For real? What, is that confirmed by Salagir? Awesome, if so. It means this is literally a waste of time since it has zero entertainment value and provides nothing to the overall story. This is the best thing you could have said.

See ya, everybody. I hope they wise up and don't host sub-par fanfiction again. 1 Replie(s)

That Gero art looks fucking siiiiiiick. Great detail.

Eh, modern DB is more consistent than this by far. Supposedly it's only been a year since they all died so Broly should be pretty massively outclassed regardless. Hell, we have a Majin Buu absorbed form who knows Kaioken now and can power up more than 20 times his base level. Just a year ago, the prior Buu form was at least putting up some sort of fight and Broly barely managed to survive the Black Hole. There's basically no reason for Broly to be alive if they're doing this.

Honestly? A simpler answer would have been to the Kais and Yemma/etc. go "As the rulers of the Afterlife, we've decided Broly can stay the hell out there while everyone else stays in here" and done some wish shenanigans to teleport the rest of the universe into the infinite afterlife. Leave Broly alone in an infinite void of nothing and black holes while life prospers, ironically, in the afterlife.

It's just a provably poor excuse to say "Well they're weaker than Vegetto was at the tournament!" because Broly is also MASSIVELY weaker, factually, than he was at the tournament as well. Broly also has to wait to get stronger and they've been training hard, tirelessly since they're dead, to grow more powerful. Broly's entire excuse, narratively, to be frozen while in his Legendary state was so his power would continuously grow so that he wouldn't get easily stomped by the top tiers in the tournament. They wanted him to be an actual threat. Even then, with well over a decade of being frozen, he still lost to Vegetto.

Someone should have read over this story before publishing to avoid massive glaring issues like this at the least. 1 Replie(s)

Oh, we're not complaining about a lack of story. We're complaining about a really poorly written and thought out story. A good story, even with some plot holes, can have its flaws overlooked. A story with immediate logical flaws that never get addressed and only exacerbated with each page gets rightfully criticized.

If you didn't write them sending jobbers to the slaughter and wasting time with attacks they know will never work and went right for fusion and absorption, there'd be far less complaining. Instead you made everyone be stupid as Broly's excuse for surviving instead of doing something creative and cool for him to overcome. Hell, you could have had him exploit his invulnerability when he saw Gogeta and had him avoid Gogeta's full force with glancing blows in an attempt to avoid getting shocked out of Legendary. This could have been a really cool and thrilling game of cat and mouse where Broly is unknowingly also running out Gogeta's clock while exploiting his own ability to grow stronger as time goes on. Honestly, most anything would be better. This is just garbage.

Simple. It retroactively makes DBM lesser for this story's existence. Whenever you read or reread DBM, you'll know that the only reason Broly was in the tournament at all was because everybody at the tournament was so ridiculously stupid in his universe and, supposedly, this stupidity also applies to our cast of fighters as well since the major difference here was they missed sending Broly into the sun.

Canonically, almost every fighter in U16 and U18 and every equivalent person is FACTUALLY as stupid as this special portrays now across infinite timelines and we have to deal with it. I ignore most of the side stories if they're not directly Special chapters but I was interested despite the art being sub-par compared to even the infamous Bojack special. Buu dying because he can't absorb Broly or use magic on him or regenerate from a single piece despite Super Buu regenerating from VAPOR, I could forgive because you know it's one minor gripe over a story that was essentially Broly cheap shotting the entire planet while everyone who could fight him was sleeping. That story didn't need much more than that.

This is continuous, repeated idiocy being presented as U20 backstory which retroactively changes the intelligence of dozens of characters. Even if it's not done "in direct collaboration" with Salagir, there's no reason to host it if it's not being presented as accepted canon. There's no reason to devote any resources to moderating its pages or translating this since it's not even buying Salagir and Asura time to create their own pages. Thus I will criticize it and tear Sayazur to shreds for it. If it was just art, that's one thing. We've dealt with terrible art and ugly styles before. Never before, however, have we had something retroactively make DBM worse on the level that this has.

Every single one of these villains and heroes are now supposedly room temperature IQ for no reason other than the Sayazur probably just wanted to see Broly effortlessly slaughter people(Except Raditz???) and strike poses with lots of veins all over. I don't have to be grateful for something well and truly awful that lowers the quality of everything related to it just because it's free. People should be as loud as possible about it because every time comments get upset over something there's lots of excuses of "But it's free!" Gotta learn eventually that sometimes things can have negative value.

Not only that but they clearly want our interest and if they want to keep it, complaining that we're complaining does nothing. They want our attention. That's why they put it out in public on the internet for everyone to see. If they're not prepared for scathing comments then stop putting out comics. 1 Replie(s)

I call dibs.

Good catch, dude! Unfortunately, I'm not sure his smokey form can be stabbed like that lol

Could have used a wish to make some Potara too. There's tons of options to explore yet all they did was "Broly kills room temperature IQ versions of everyone". That and poorly copying poses from the games, manga, or anime.

Broly: Final Bore


And this Broly is also supposed to be a lot weaker too so it doesn't really matter. On top of that, Goku and Vegeta never stopped training either so "Vegetto had more time to train" is a non-factor too. Broly's big thing in DBM is passively getting stronger and invincibility. It took decades to get to Vegetto tier, however. Adding the "Goku and Vegeta have already tired themselves out" plot device makes them seem completely stupid. Wasting their power, making their fusion weaker, giving Broly a chance, and ultimately dooming everyone because of constant idiocy makes for an awful story. The reason this story gets so much criticism is because any critical thinking whatsoever would have dealt with Broly rather quickly and easily. The story is poorly thought out, it's seemingly supposed to be "canon" which brings down the quality of the main story we enjoy, the story itself isn't worth the pages it's been put onto when you could have just put up a summary of "Everyone was a complete idiot for no reason and Broly epicly double killed them", and at this point watching this train wreck destroy itself with it's nonsensical logic is its own morbid fun.

The answer to "How would a villain win" should never be "Everyone else was stupid and purposefully wasted their chance to win for no good reason" and yet this story did just that.

It's nuage. Finally. Canon to DBM.

Again, reminder, this Broly is much weaker than DBM Vegetto and Tournament Broly, much less something roughly equivalent to SS3 Vegetto. 1 Replie(s)

I wonder how this doesn't one shot Broly. 1 Replie(s)

Ah, now she's nothing but a collectible doll and a broken fuel tank..... I wonder how much she'd go for on Ebay.

More like REALLY CUTE. 1 Replie(s)

"I'm full" is not something you wanna hear from an absorbtion model.

This had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Like at all lol

Dude, why the hell is Krillin so cool right now? 1 Replie(s)

Honestly my favorite minicomic in general. This is a pretty solid page too, especially since I've been playing DQ lately.

I never really liked this, personally.

Kick ass design for Krillin.