Anyone else remember when folks were seriously arguing that Kakarotto wasn't immortal? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Also, do you think an immortal saiyan gets zenkai boosts? The whole point is that you recover from near death, and immortality takes away from the "death" part of that.

Not sure if it's a technicality against or a crazy loophole for.

You did not fight another person it was literally her, that's not how the Majin thing works.

Now we're probably gonna get Pan after having seen Bra literally slice her father in half killing him in a grusome way just "Oh you did one nice thing now we're besties again"

Ironically Pan might've been right, if Bra does the Dirty Fireworks finger pose it would be a good opening for a faint.

Not only is Uub a fighter he also became his own White Mage. And no one messes with the white mage.

DBFan was saying: This is either gonna be an anticlimax or fakeout either way it's unsatisfying

it's quite statisfying like the the tortouse and the rabbit, pride and fall.

This page is cool & all (except for Gotenks), but...what happened to the whole "SSJ3 Vegetto having the same mass as the moon" thing?

Never mind, he's a moron!

"Such a small panel for the Grand Gotenks’ transformation?! Bastards!"

Okay:

1- You're soar loser.

2- A whole page was waisted on you when it could have been used on more well written characters (basically most of the characters around), so you don't have anything to complain about.

3- Stop breaking the forth wall! It's not funny when you do it, it's "cringy"! It might have been funny when Zen Buu do it, and it certainly was hilarious when King Piccolo do it. But it's not when you don't. You're not funny in general, you're cringe! Your whole existing is cringe! Both you & your U16 counterpart! I hate you! Why are you not died yet? Why do you even exist in the first place?!! Die! Just Die!!!

This interruption is suffering from the exact opposite problems of the Bra part of the Majin Rebellion arc.
That part of the story was too serious, but this is just way too lighthearted.

Jubjub was saying: I do want to give Buu his props here. One thing no one is talking about is just how strong he has become since their original fight in Z. Back then, Vegito was toying with Buu in SSJ. Not even 2 decades later and, at the very least, he's forced to take him seriously at SS2. That type of power growth is kind of insane when you think about it

Buu must have been training. Cant think of another explaination. There were not many strong fighters left in the universe after Goku and Vegeta got absorbed. Maybe some fighters like Pikkon in the afterlife. But come on he is like a fly compared to fighters like Buu let alone Vegetto. Adding Goku+Vegeta+fighters that were left still wont make him strong enough to become like SSJ Vegetto, let alone SSJ2 Vegetto. So only thing that made this possible for buu was to train by himself imo.

And on that note, about Bra. Maybe Vegetto's worried because the technique only works on someone you're much stronger than? Just speculating.

I see the tournament ending after this attack. Then we will have the XXI Arc as he's the final baddie in this Manga. I can't believe I've been reading this since 2013. I started around Chapter 27.

I was 32 and now I'm 41. Hopefully it'll be done by the time I'm in my mid 40's

It's been a great run with @Salagir and his team.

Gast Dead, Bra win match 4 quater final

Bra: You enjoyed watching our torments…

And now you’re done playing with us! Dad, if we let him be, he’ll have control over every universe, ours included!

D'awwww! She's so cute trying to be responsible!

Also, Vegetto & Bra are talking now?

Vort was saying: Alright, Cells pushed back the beam, Vegeta gave up his own and flew up, what is he gonna do now? Reflect it? Also, last page from Ume, hope the next artist is as good as this one, or even better.

@Ashun-Shugar
You have reading problems. I said And novel is not purely expansion to the comic, it is a different version of the story, don't base your logic on it. and you completely disregarded it in your reply. Let me rephrase it. What happens in novel doesn't mean it has to happen in the comic. The mechanics of novel are the mechanics of novel, and the mechanics of comic are the mechanics of comic. Salagir stated so few times, and that's why you are being cocky, making judgments while basing yourself on novel's mechanics.

Listen to what عمار said. They made the biggest embarrassment of themselves on this site when they were so full of themselves that Kakorotto isn't immortal, because they were going by what novel said. Now عمار has redemeed themselves and is also telling you to not trust the novel.

Your Obviously mad at me for some reason.

The Novel is the manga written in a word format so it can elaborate more on whats happening.

So its 100% accurate. Why are you so offensive because you dont like that i have facts to back up what im saying?

What your saying is only opinion. Every thing i stated is straight from this website. Your making things up im using only whats being explain on this website.

Pls refrain from offensive comments just because you disagree.

Use facts not opinions pls.

This power scailing is GARBAGE!!! Why does DBM scale these guys as if they are as strong as their buu-saga self? This takes place 20 YEARS AFTER BUU!

Max Kaioken Uub was only around evil fat buu level. ssj3 goku in the buu saga toyed with fat-buu. 20 years later, ssj2 goku AT LEAST should be strong enough to beat fat buu. Thus making ssj3 goku around ultimate gohan tier. Thus should have very little difficulty taking on Max Uub. Goku should be using ssj2 here against Uub. ssj3 is overkill. DBM should put story above nostalgia/fan-service.

I bet if Broly was here he could beat both of them easy.


GtKatorate was saying: WHAT IS THIS? A single page with one panel. No dialogue, no progression in the story? DBM has done this way too many times.

so has regular dragon ball lol stop complaining

In dragonball we got weekly chapters with multiple sites. not one site every 3 days that adds nothing

I don't have any new arguments to present, this page: Instead, I'll share my personal feelings.

I've followed, and loved, this series for a long time. It wasn't perfect, but the main artwork was generally fantastic, and the side artwork was almost always at least interesting.

I didn't use to mind Bra so much either. Actually, I liked her, for about the first 300 pages! She was feisty in a positive way, she seemed like a hard worker, she clearly admired her father, she had emotions apart from "misery" and "anger"... She even smiled on occasion!

Not just the "You're gonna get knocked the FUNK out!" kind of smirks or smiles, either. I mean, actual, genuine smiles...









But... Then Page 309 happened—the day Salagir decided Vegetto was no longer a white man...



And immediately after, the very first time they show up (Page 315), the Bras are meaner than they are before:



Bra insults her family for the first time (Page 321):



Bra gives her first murderous grin (Page 363):



Bra kills someone for the first time (Page 368):



And on it goes. In addition, she almost never smiles again, even after 1500+ more pages. There's ONE time where she shows genuine happiness, when Pan is revived (Page 958):



And a few one-off occasions when she's 6 years old, in the Chapter 54 special (Pages 1224-1244):





But apart from that, post-309 Bra can be boiled down to four basic emotions...

— --
1) A gloomy scowl

2) Mocking glee at someone's suffering

3) Outrage at someone else's stupidity

4) Joy in laying a beating on some poor fool
— --

There was a new Bra in town, because Salagir decided he wanted a darker, edgier story... Which was fine. I enjoyed watching Vegeta gradually evolve, and thought Salagir would guide her to a similar place of self-reflection and self-actualization. So, I defended her and Salagir as I saw fit, and waited...

...and waited... and waited... and waited... and waited. I watched Bra win every match, use Senzu Beans without any hint of shame, watched her abuse her family without anyone fighting back, and watched the Ginyu sub-plot resolve itself in the span of a few minutes. Bra was protected from all consequences, and I was left stunned...

But that was ok, I thought. She came back as Majin Bra! NOW was when she was going to have her world view challenged, at long last! Gohan and the others would resist her with the power of teamwork! Gohan and the others would talk her down the same way Goku talked down Vegeta! It'd be like a long therapy session, just like that fight! Eventually, Bra's love for her family would prompt her to resist Babidi, just like Vegeta...

...And then she slew them all. She read the script and stopped attacks she couldn't possibly have known about. Cell's reinforced nucleus, Phipil's carbonite attack on her boot, people teleporting to places she could only have guessed at...

Then she cuts Gohan in half, and powers right through. Even Gohan's surprised:



Oh, she breaks the spell, sure... After someone calls her "passive":



And now, instead of fixing her character, Salagir wants to blame everything on Vegetto: A quick & dirty way of getting us back on her side, without actually having to put too much work into it.

I won't presume to know what Salagir's thinking... But it seems to me he wanted a "morally grey" character—and "morally grey", in his mind, meant "this character is always 100% gloomy and mean, all the time, and verbally abuses everyone all the time". Now he's written himself into a corner, and is trying to save her the only way he knows how—making Vegetto even meaner, in comparison.

Know this: You're not talking to a "hater" when you talk to me. You're talking to 10 years of subverted expectations. A person who saw how she used to be written, saw how Salagir changed her, and has realized that she's probably not going to be getting any better.

To bad you guys don't have the other half of this comic.

Once again Bra is really laying down some good truths here. She's realized what true power is. Vegito is the unstable one and they're all lucky that Bra is around to take him down when needed. She's really been stepping it up these last few chapters and I now understand why she has so many fans. Rock on Bra and I hope she wins her big fight when the tourney resumes

OH. MY. GOD!



>You decide everything alone,

BECAUSE HE IS ALONE YOU DUMB FUCK! YOUR TWO HALFS NEVER BOTHER TO TRAIN & WHILE HE WAS TRANING BRA TO CONTROL HER SSJ,



YOUR HALF WERE TOO BUSY LOOKING AT A WOMAN'S ASS!



>Yet you're fallible & hot-tempered

YOU'RE THE ONE TO TALK?!!!




>If Son Bra managed today, it's not thanks to you.

MANAGED WHAT?!!!!

KILLING HER BROHTER?!!!



KILLING THE PICCOLOS?!!




KILLING PHIPSIL?!!!



OH WAIT! YOU ARE REFERING TO THIS BS?


WELL, FUCK YOU THEN! IT IS THANKS TO VEGETTO, BECAUSE UNLIKE YOU, HE ACTUALLY PUT HIS MAIND TO IT!






>You've never shown regret for any of your past acts

REGRET FOR WHAT?!!! FOR WHAT "PAST ACTS"?!!!

OBEYING THE KAIOSHINS TO PROTECT THE UNIVERSE?!!


TRAINING BOTH BRA & PAN?!!



SAVING THE TOUENAMENT FROM BROLY?!!!



MAKING SURE ZEN BUU DOES NOT ABSORBED BROLY?!!!



SAVING YOUR PSYCHO OF A SISTER FROM A BODY THIEF?!!


CONTAIN SAID PSYCHO FROM DESTRYING THE UNIVERSE?!!



SAVING YOUR UNGRATEFUL ASSES FROM BUU 20 YEARS AGO?!!


OH! WAIT! YOU MIGHT BE WROING GOTENKS, I THINK VEGETTO IS REGRTING SAVING YOU NOW!





>I know I'm not perfect

OH YOU'VE THE NERVE TO "I'm not perfect" ACT NOW! AFTER ALL THE BULLSHIT YOU'RE PULL THIS NOW?!!
Not perfect?!! BITCH! You're far away from being a "good guy"!

FAR


AWAY


FROM IT



>I got resentment & hatred in me.

" oH I aM sO MaD! I'm tHe sEcONed StrOnGEst In thE UniVerSE!!! GRRRR!"
FUCK. OFF!!

>But..so do you, Dad!

Any father will turn to villains if he had ungrateful assholes like as children!




YOU ARE FUCKING IDOIT IF THAT WAS YOUR GOAL FROM THE BEGGINING!!! YOUR DAD WATED TO TRAIN YOU SO YOU WILL PRETECT THE UNIVERSE JUST LIKE HE DO!!! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO MADE OBSESSION OF BEING "NUBER 1"!!!



Fine! You go & do that! But do us all a favor & do it offscreen because I'm tired of seeing your face!

I'm also going to refrain from commenting unless someone says something really stupid

Bloodgaze was saying: Koshej was saying: 1. Dragon Balls are a thing.
2. Atonement for past misdeeds is a thing.
3. Vegetto being part-Vegeta is a thing.
4. Many of you being literally arrogant idiots is ALSO a thing.
FIN.


Cheers to that.

In this make believe universe death and murder is inconsequential because dragonballs are a thing.

Deal with it or go read a different comic about a different make believe universe.


AMEN!!!

When did everyone get so toxic? Im sorry this hasnt gone the way you want and isnt filled with concrete logic... its a fan made Dragon ball comic ffs
also the 'can we get back to the tournament' People are the worst hahaha Imagine if we never got the chance to see the Gohans, Piccolo and all the other non registered fighters fight?
Imagine if they stuck to the tournament bracket.. it would basically be done now lol
I LOVE Multiverse, I have been reading it for years before they even teased us with 'Super'.. it is clear to me that alot of you have lost sight of what this is.. and thats very sad.

Bloodgaze was saying: Koshej was saying: 1. Dragon Balls are a thing.
2. Atonement for past misdeeds is a thing.
3. Vegetto being part-Vegeta is a thing.
4. Many of you being literally arrogant idiots is ALSO a thing.
FIN.


Cheers to that.

In this make believe universe death and murder is inconsequential because dragonballs are a thing.

Deal with it or go read a different comic about a different make believe universe.

You're absolutely right, murder is inconsequential because of the dragon balls.
It doesn't matter if Bra murdered her loved ones, they can be revived with the dragon balls.
It doesn't matter if Vegetto murders Bra, she can be revived with the dragon balls.
It doesn't matter if the people who operate the universe travelling craft, who are the only people able to access the dragon balls, are killed, they can just be revived with the dragon balls.
I really wish that more people would bother to use their heads to figure out that maybe the existence of dragon balls doesn't mean there are no consequences.

So... is anyone comforting U16 Pan? We, uhh, didn't really spend much time there. I've said it before, but I don't really like how this has shifted to focus so much on Vegetto. It'd have been better imo if we had more pages just on Son Bra and her actions, and specifically treat this as her rock bottom through which she has to fight her way back up from. Like, by having Gast acknowledge that she did horrible things, but that she doesn't have to be that kind of person anymore if she's willing to put in the work. I suppose we could still see some of that though.

I guess Babidi can control what people say now too



Also, she broke the mind control on her own, but not from killing her loved ones. From being called weak by U18 Bra (who I guess forgot she did that.)
U18 Bra is no longer sad about Gohan being murdered by U16 Bra. Let's pretend that never happened.

These last few pages have just been rapid-firing retcons to make Salagir's favorite pet look better.

I guess Bra still doesn't care about killing Goten or blowing up that solar system, since she doesn't seem to understand why people wouldn't trust her.

@Argelios @Dr Raichi

Aight guys, these last pages have been ridiculous, so I think I might need to bring back to W-word to describe what exactly is going on with the writing here.

Bra is Salagir's W-A-I-F-U

Probably not an appropriate time to ask this, but is anybody going to give Bra... An extra set of clothes?

She's in a completely unpresentable state in front of her father, her brother, Pan, her counterpart, and a bunch of other people that she hasn't known all that long.

Hit this girl with a clothes beam and THEN have your morality debate and lectures on parenting.

>If you're talking about Cell saga/Buu saga Vegeta, he doesn't suffer consequences.

— Gets his arm broken by android 18.
— Gets his ass kicked by perfect cell.
— Sees his son die in front of him, after he finally realizes he cares about him.
— 

Buu saga

— Gets his ass kicked by main buu (significant, because majin buu wouldn't have gotten ressurected had Vegita not fought Goku)
— Kills himself to take Buu out with him, knowing he'd go to hell.
— Actually ends up in hell.
— Agrees to fuse permanently with Goku to beat Buu.
— Gets to experience his son being killed AGAIN when Kid Buu blows up the earth.
— Gets his ass kicked AGAIN to the point of MR Satan having to rescue him because he can't even stand up anymore.

DBFan was saying: chstar was saying: Duzzpartner was saying: Watch as this thread turns into "Mary Sue! Obvious favorite! No sympathy! Let her die!" and then people pretending ignoring that they're favorite Vegeta did much worse than Bra in his life and none of them want him dead. Hmmm, I wonder what the main difference between Vegeta and Bra is? Why would people excuse Vegeta but not Bra, the 16-year old teenage girl?

well said. I couldn't agree more. She deserves a second chance after Vegeta got...what? 5? The reason some are lashing out as Bra is not for the reasons they are stating...
I believe that Vegeta should have died years before he actually did. As such Bra should recive punishment as well. Side note the reason I can even tolerate Vegeta is cause he constantly gets his ass kick which is cathartic.
But now that I think about it Bra seems to be on a similar path to Vegeta. Does horrible things is forgiven (despite doing nothing to earn it) gets rewards.
Heck they even have weird defenders Bra Defenders Vegeta fanboys. The main difference and the reason this is better than the way Vegeta is treated is because people in story actually try to stop the monster instead of having the genocidal monster live in their home.


What do you mean "Die years before he actually did?" Vegeta died twice. The first time was against Frieza. That wasn't even after a year.
And the people who keep saying Vegeta that, Vegeta this...

Vegeta constantly got his ass kicked. We also saw him struggle and fight in life and death situations. Bra has NEVER gotten her ass kicked. NEVER.
If Vegeta would have Bra's character. I would have hated him just as much as I hate Bra. I like Vegeta because I can relate to him. He fights for his dreams and overcomes obstacle after obstacle... Bra is an overpowered teenager who walks around with senzu beans in her pocket.

Duzzpartner was saying: Watch as this thread turns into "Mary Sue! Obvious favorite! No sympathy! Let her die!" and then people pretending ignoring that they're favorite Vegeta did much worse than Bra in his life and none of them want him dead. Hmmm, I wonder what the main difference between Vegeta and Bra is? Why would people excuse Vegeta but not Bra, the 16-year old teenage girl?

well said. I couldn't agree more. She deserves a second chance after Vegeta got...what? 5? The reason some are lashing out as Bra is not for the reasons they are stating...

This page is abusing me both menially and physically! I have no energy to comment about all the BS that Gotenks says. So I will just mention this:

Gotenks: It's our responsibility.

Oh really now?



It doesn't seems you're qualify for the job dumpass.

RavynousHunter was saying: That's what Bra was and is: a child.
She was 12! She was not a child.

RavynousHunter was saying: A child that, frankly, has suffered both mental and physical abuse at the hands of her emotionally unstable father.
WHAT ABUSE?!!



WHAT



ABUSE



ARE YOU



SPEAKING OF



RIGHT NOW?!!



It really piss me off how most of the characters are OOC just to make this abomination more sympathetic. Gotenks, the character that never took a fight seriously is SUDDENLY act serious & responsible, even though Goten & Trunks never bothered to train. & Vegetto who has been taking a good care of Bra is SUDDENLY an abuse father, just so Bra can be viewed as a victim.

pofehof was saying: frostyross was saying: vageta and goku arent good fathers

Wow, people are still believing this dumb meme? In reality, Goku is a great father (for example, he didn't shit on Gohan for fucking up with Cell, and he was pissed when Raditz took Gohan), and same with Vegeta.
Actually Vegeta is a great dad

Bra is love bra is life

@Bird Mountain

>How many times has she "accidentally" killed a member of her family?

Two times. Once accidental in a life or death selfdefense situation where she got beat into a state she could not control and once when she was under the influence of an evil magican.

To be fair, bra didn't st@rt the attack, nor did she hit first. She protected Babidi but didnt hunt down anyone. She entered a fight and won. She didn't kill a innocent and gave every fighter a chance to back off. She also didn't kill a non combatant. How was she evil again?

Grim was saying: that drunk driving shit doesn't account for remorse on the drivers part, your right it doesn't excuse you of you actions but if she is going to be punished for her actions then let her be punished in the correct manner. Vegito is clearly not in his right of mind. its like if you went to court and the judge and jury weren't impartial about the situation. i feel like you and a lot of people here are forgetting that.
You're right. I think that every reasonable person would agree that Vegetto is doing it wrong. There are a lot of different & Better ways he could deal with this situation.

For example: He could either:


1. Broke her neck.




Or


2.Bust her head open




Or


3.Cut her in half.




Or


4.Make her explode from inside out.




Or


5.Compltly erase her from existing.





Or


6.Punch her so SO hard in the stomach to the point her blood & organs blast out from her back.




Or (My favorite)


7.Crush her f$cking face with his foot.

SuperBroccoli was saying: Ok. Yeah. Vegito's a shit parent. Suddenly everything about Bra makes sense to me.

So you're just gonna ignore Bulma is her parent too? And the others being a good influence?

Grim was saying: that drunk driving shit doesn't account for remorse on the drivers part, your right it doesn't excuse you of you actions but if she is going to be punished for her actions then let her be punished in the correct manner. Vegito is clearly not in his right of mind. its like if you went to court and the judge and jury weren't impartial about the situation. i feel like you and a lot of people here are forgetting that.
You're right. I think that every reasonable person would agree that Vegetto is doing it wrong. There are a lot of different & Better ways he could deal with this situation.

For example: He could either:


1. Broke her neck.




Or


2.Bust her head open




Or


3.Cut her in half.




Or


4.Make her explode from inside out.




Or


5.Compltly erase her from existing.





Or


6.Punch her so SO hard in the stomach to the point her blood & organs blast out from her back.




Or (My favorite)


7.Crush her f$cking face with his foot.

Darkstar was saying:



Edit: Do we even know why Bra fell under Majinization to begin with? That's a geninue question this time. Maybe thats on me for missing it in the comic. Some users say it's b/c she wanted it but like, why did she want it? Why did she feel "weak"?

Valeros was saying: Bra certainly needs to own up to what she’s done, just like her counterpart told her. Vegito though here needs to own up that this is just as much his fault for not raising her like a father and just as a fighter. Vegeta did better as a parent with Trunks than his fusion has done with Bra

What? And Bulma doesn't count?
They raised her together you know.
Bulma's a strong willed woman, Vegeta actually listened to her. It's not like she would be different with Vegito.

And besides, Goten and Trunks were what? seven? When Vegiot was born. He doesn't seem to have fucked up their development.
Pan came out normal too.

He may not be the best parent, but Bra clearly had issues from the beginning. With or without Vegito's parenting.

Ashanark was saying: — Bra now has complete sane control over SS2 because of Babidi.
Sane:

DBFan was saying: Geez now that I think about it where has Blooma been for the past sixteen years.
I mean we never even see them directly talk to each other I know people like to blame Veggeto for Bra's problems but Blooma seems straight up neglectful.
Yup, she is somehow never mentioned. Like somehow Vegetto is the only parent here.
Also, there is no implications that Bulma is dead. She is alive in U9, U12, U18 so why she should be dead in U16?

We also know that Pan is hanging out with Bra and Vegetto often enough to be close. Yet somehow she isn't problematic child.