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Pryomnicom 23 Iulie
Majin Wasabi was saying:
If South did stop time, a18 is about to shatter my man Vegetto.


Good point, South be stopping time and sending everyone back immediately though. Not sure if XXI is immune to time stop since he's not living.
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Pryomnicom 21 Iulie
Uchiha-Vegeta was saying:
Calling it now: XXI is a Namekian.


He's actually just a grown up emperor pilaf.
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Pryomnicom 21 Iulie
Vegetto crash out might be because he pursues an unethical path to stopping XXI, and the heros disagree. Maybe Vegetto wants to wish for multiversal travel as well? I think this fits with the reasons he's lashed out before, BUT I don't know how this fits with the black Senzu bean.
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Pryomnicom 11 Iulie
Eager to find out why XXI needs the tournament winning Dragonballs for his wish, when hes had a dragon at his whim the whole tournament. 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 10 Iulie
Super Gojita 3 was saying:
Gintaman!! was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying: This reminds me of how quick they revived everyone at the end of the freeza saga.

1 chapter they resurrected everyone, and no fanfare unlike the anime.

They summoned porunga twice, and freeza was shown to be back already.

I guess they opted for pacing akin to how it was post freeza fight on namek

Except the part where that came after a good long saga with a good final for a good story. Not this anticlimatic ending for a tournament (yeah yeah, I know the story didn't end... Still is a bad development for an incredibly long part of this fanmanga)


Well quality is subjective.

I thought the ending of this fight was fine but if rushed.

I dont mind the ending but would have preferred more to it.

Maybe xxi could have tried more things before stopping time.

But we did get foreshadowing about piccolo bypassing the effect maybe, so we'll see.

You aren't wrong for disliking the fight.

So lets agree to disagree.

And i think that is fair.


If anyone's bypassing the ability it's Gast. 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 6 Iulie
Papurumun was saying:
I don't get the people acting like this is all that much of a surprise. XXI outclasses Goku, we've known that for a while. Any bullcrap final hour power that Goku would've pulled out here to make things even would've been more annoying.


If Gast had a good chance, then it was fair to think Goku might have as well. XXI even says to his dragon that Goku has no obvious weaknesses so whatever the "Easiest" way to kill Goku was would still have been hard. Besides vaporizing a bit of Buu, and eating a weakened Gast, we have no idea about XXI's raw strength.
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Pryomnicom 4 Iulie
pip25 was saying:
And so, after so many years, the Multiverse Tournament ends. With a whimper.

What an utter disgrace. Salagir went and humiliated the main protagonist of Dragonball, showing little respect to him in this fight or to those who care about the character - the childhood hero of many people, myself included. Worse still, from the buildup and, heck, the chapter cover itself, this seems to be no fluke, but a genuine attempt to troll the readers.

Just to make things perfectly clear: the issue here is NOT that XXI won the match, and thus the tournament. XXI winning could have been a great twist, especially after the foreshadowing suggested that XXI himself was not sure of his victory. Most people would have expected Goku to win somehow, and defying expectations can be a good thing, if done well. Goku trying his best and still failing could have been epic.

But instead, Goku lost like a moron.

Every single opponent of XXI, even Vegetto who confronted him first, knew that they should not give him the chance to cast any spells or use other magic. Heck, even Goku showed awareness of this fact at the start of the match, when he tried to arrange things so he could transform PRIOR to the beginning of the battle. So then, after breaking out of XXI's alternate dimension, why, just WHY in the name of all kaio shins did he simply stand there, monolouging like an idiot??? That was his chance, his ONLY chance in fact to strike back, and he wasted it. According to Vegeta, less than a second is pretty much "an eternity" in this form, so he apparently wasted more than an eternity to brag - and paid for it with his life. His defeat is utterly humiliating.

Call me an entitled reader, if you want. But actually, even if my contribution wasn't huge, I've been part of this fancomic's team for around 15 years now, doing comment mod work and translating pages to Hungarian day after day, week after week. I've tried to remain constructive when Pan was killed, I've tried to voice my concerns in a civil manner when U16 Bra was let off the hook. But this... this is worse than those combined, and it breaks my heart. :( This feels like all my efforts were a waste of time, because Salagir not only made Goku look like an idiot, but deemed it necessary to end the tournament, the main theme of the ENTIRE story, with a random, anticlimactic plot device - because that's what I'k'l's power is. We have no idea how it works, how it could possibly be countered, we have no idea why cyborgs are unaffected by it... it's just conveniently there. So, so incredibly disappointing and disheartening. :(


To be fair, I don't there there's anything Goku could have done against a guy that can stop time. But I think giving XXI the ability, right after showing the Kai inherit it, is about underwhelming. Also I'm unsure why XXI thought he wouldn't win? He recruits his goons specifically because he thought Goku stood a chance. 3 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 2 Iulie
Thiln was saying:
Trickster972 was saying: I think XXI just wished the heart virus back... Goku's heart couldn't handle SSJ0 so it exploded... I mean, basic SSJ was already worsening the virus. Just imagine what 3 forms above would do...

That would probably qualify as preemptive manipulation of his opponent, though. The equivalent of drugging a team before a big game. I doubt the Varga would permit something like that.

Maybe it's I'K'L's ability like some have suggested? The possible foreshadowing of someone 'more dangerous' having the time stop is an interesting point, and would line up with how Goku just suddenly incurred this open wound through his chest. But then I'K'L needed to press his hands together and there was an outward resonance. XXI may have been hiding his hands in his sleeves but the resonance should still be spreading out. Who knows? If he did actually stop time then #16 should be able to clarify since he's immune to the spell.

The end of the last chapter tells us that South Kai is the one who inherited the time stop power. He is the "more dangerous" person for shadowed. If they've given it to both South Kai and XXI that's a strange story telling choice. It's not suggested that South Kai is under XXI's command either.
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Pryomnicom 2 Iulie
Goku has cracks on his chest, it's almost certainly IKL's ability. Idk why South Kai would intervene like this though? All my predictions have been wrong or only half correct but I hope Goku has a Senzu in his mouth ready to go. Might be that IKL had 20 seconds to prepare a devastating attack, so it only works after the time dimension trick. So if Goku can come back, he's fast enough to not let this happen again, and we get more to the fight.
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Pryomnicom 18 Iunie
Peak fiction, my money is on Goku
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Pryomnicom 15 Iunie
FearfulDivine was saying:
I don't think ANYONE was expecting this


I sort of did LOL, amongst my many wrong theories. I thought XXI or Gast would copy I'K'L's ability and I DID call that I'K'L was speaking to the Kai at the opening of this chapter. Story feels like it's making sense again!
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Pryomnicom 6 Iunie
XXI is not directly controlling anyone, seems to me to be basic manipulation. He maybe presented a message to South Kai in a way that seemed like it was I'K'L's dying wish? The Senzu he gave Vegetto is probably like Crack Cocaine for the guy, so he's gonna be even more aggrevated without a fix. Saiyans, Androids, Frost demons all just given an incentive. Another Budokai Tenkaichi is upon us with everyone that was missing last time. 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 29 Aprilie
Lawful good soy's vs Chaotic Neutral Vegeto
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Pryomnicom 14 Februarie
Guess the representation of the characters here aren't canon? So Vegetto's still in the corridor, Gast is resting, etc.. Bit odd since the Kai had a stand in?
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Pryomnicom 7 Februarie
PrimeFighter was saying:
Seeing those panels now makes me think of bocodamondo. I don't think he'll get back on animating DBM, but it was pretty cool while he did. RIP his computer memory...


Big big throwback
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Pryomnicom 5 Februarie
I need to stop trying to make predictions based on a single new page but when's Uub coming and is he the only saviour against XXI? Also how will Vegetto rampage when the organisers can always send him back?
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Pryomnicom 30 Ianuarie
After seeing how Gast was able to copy Buu's and vegetos attacks, maybe Gast's speciality is being super adaptable? Like Goku is shown to be throughout Dragonball ( latest example is in DBS when he uses Hakai on Zamasu). Maybe XXI knows this, and releases Gast will now know how to counter/protect himself and others from the Smoke attack, especially with the break.

Of course this only matters if we assume XXI is going to lash out against everyone, which he almost certainly will. I'm still betting on a multiversal spirit bomb from Goku to kill XXI. 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 24 Ianuarie
This is so funny omg 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 23 Ianuarie
My new theory is Goku beats XXI fair and square with a multiversal spirit bomb or something. Or is that outside help?
Would trigger vegetto to see sm like that I think
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Pryomnicom 22 Ianuarie
Majunia was saying:
XXI better spit Gast, or he is out. Doesnt matter how poweful he is, he will be sent back to his universe if he kills Gast now. Plus, he wants his wish, he wont attack the organizers.
Anyway, we'll see what happens, I think it would be cool to have the final be between Goku and Gast (a callback to the 23th Tenkaichi Budokai), but I doubt that happens, especially after all these years hyping XXI...speaking of which, it has be more than a decade since the Vegetto vision, it has been like a decade since Bardock left the tournament, yet some people still think the visions will happen? lol.


We got Yamcha vision pay off, we can assume the others will also come
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Pryomnicom 22 Ianuarie
hetap was saying:
Man I hope this was part of some plan Gast had. Because between Buu killing him and XXI making him look like a terrified child, he has been knocked down to look like a wimp almost as much as Vegito has. Crazy how the 2 strongest and coolest/badass characters at the start have turned into chumps.

Also I do wonder, if that Namek heard Gast, then wouldn't he have also heard XXI continue to attack/consume Gast after he forfeited? I mean he did tell Gast basically that they can't hear you so I'm not stopping. Wouldn't that have made him lose by DQ?


I guess Gast was shouting? But if the Nameks and piccolo did hear XXI it doesn't matter. Being evil isn't against the rules and XXI has otherwise followed the rules - assuming he hasn't eaten Gast yet
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Pryomnicom 19 Ianuarie
Asturios was saying:
I'm calling it, Gast is going to be saved somehow. That last panel and bubble is either to hype the terror or to be contradicted in the following page. I hope I'm wrong though, I really want someone to die, I want to feel the stakes of the next XII fight popping off. My only worry is that we might run into a Madara situation where only a deus ex can save the good guys. So, maybe this is a good chance to show XXI isn't as unstoppable as he think he is


There's a bardock vision of Bra and Vegeta we haven't seen yet. If Gast dies here I'm not sure he'd be resurrected before the end of the tournament if HE COULD be resurrected.
If XXI is caught out he's going to go nuclear which also gives no time for Gast resurrection. Currently I still don't believe Gast is losing here. 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 19 Ianuarie
MajinPower was saying:
Guys, the chapter is called “Awards Ceremony” so:
— Gast lost as he forfeited;
— XXI kept on absorbing him regardless of his words and so the Vargas will decrate his loss as well! Of course they heard him since they were smart enough to outsmart Buu;
— Goku will be decreed winner but XXI will start his shennanigans and the real show will begin!


This would be funny!
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Pryomnicom 4 Ianuarie
Yhaj was saying:
Best fan fiction ever. Cell, Buu, Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Gast, Bra, Vegitto and so much more. Honestly knocked this story out of the park. Well done and thank you for the entertainment over the years. In my opinion it's almost flawless :)


Id like to second this opinion, love every bit of DBM though I think we got a few more years before it wraps. 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 6 Noiembrie
It will not be!
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Pryomnicom 27 Octombrie 2024
I still hold my opinion that XXI cannot beat Gast, he's going to lash out and NEW THEORY Gast cant stop XXI from devouring the universes or whatever his aims are, but he can copy I'K'L's ability to freeze time. If he can copy Buu's techniques as it was killing him, maybe he can copy I'K'L's too? I predicted it would be XXI who would steal the technique but now im thinking it's Gast? Excited to see either way.
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Pryomnicom 19 Octombrie 2024
MUI was saying:
PrimeFighter was saying: I don't understand why Gast can't power them off of him tbh. Piccolo did it with Babidi and Vegito was able to isolate Buuhan. Also idk how Goku is gonna beat XXI now. He seems to have every counter to each fighter. I guess we are close then to when Vegito goes Beserk and where I'm guessing XXI is gonna try to make a horrible wish, but the Dragon Ball shard is gonna keep that from happening? So I'm guessing at this point, it's also obvious Goku WILL lose to XXI and that's when everything goes to shit

Why would Goku not able to defeat XXI? Goku wont fall for that dimension trick (even 18 didnt fall for it). And even if XXI uses Janemba against Goku, Goku at his full power should be able to defeat Janemba pretty easy.


Would be a bit silly if XXI could counter every character besides Goku right? Also it wouldn't be climactic because I imagine XXI needs to have his reveal that endangers all the universes, if that happens after a hypothetical Goku win then Goku's win is overshadowed and the story doesn't end with the tournament. In my mind XXI's expose needs to happen prior to the final fight and it makes most sense for it to be triggered here. (No idea how Vegettos rampage would fit tho)
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Pryomnicom 4 Octombrie 2024
My theory is that since Janemba is not living, and I'K'Ls ability only stopped time for living things, XXI will use it to allow Gast to be defeated by Janemba.
This was teased a few pages ago by the Vargars.
I also think Gast will have a counter for this though, can't imagine he would get caught off guard by it twice.
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Pryomnicom 28 August 2024
Friendly reminder Uub is out there somewhere becoming a top tier magician. Keep him in your theories
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Pryomnicom 25 August 2024
happywarrior99 was saying:

Pryomnicom was saying: BTW No matter what the final fight cannot be Goku Vs XXI because it just wouldn't be fairI think that a hypothetic U5 XXI vs U18 Mystic Goku fight would not be unfair.

Friendly reminder that U18 Mystic Goku's powerlevel was show to be high enough to make U16 Vegetto jealous/envious on page 2169 and page 2383.

U7 Gast's powerlevel, U4 Zen Buu's powerlevel and U20 lssj Broly's powerlevel did not make U16 Vegetto jealous at all.


Vegetto follows up saying he's still infinitely more powerful than Goku and Vegeta. Regardless - XXI beat Vegetto with ease, i cant imagine a similar trick or something else entirely cant be used to defeat Goku. I just dont believe there's anything Goku can do that Gast cant. But Gast would probably entertain a fair fight with Goku knowing he'll likely grant everyones wish anyway. 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 25 August 2024
BTW No matter what the final fight cannot be Goku Vs XXI because it just wouldn't be fair. XXI storyline ends here and the finale is Goku Vs Ghast (After many interruptions such as Vegitto rampage and unravelling this XXI plotline with the elder Kai).

Slightly worried XXI will use the time stop given the direct hint towards it, but I expect Ghast will counter it with something. Long magical battle that occurs beyond the view of spectators and ends with XXI lashing out? Excited to see. 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 21 August 2024
There's two of them!????
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Pryomnicom 18 August 2024
Reminder that Buu glued Uub's arm back in like the first 5 chapters. Gast is also a talented magician that reasonably could do something similar.
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Pryomnicom 7 August 2024
Come on guys let's not be stupid. This is obviously a flashback - it literally contradicts the last few main chapters and starts with going into the grand Kais imagination.
This is probably just a silly chapter to give Asura more time to draw. 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 7 Aprilie 2024
If i remember correctly, bardock had a vision of Piccolo saying something like "It's not just our universe that's in danger, It's all universes!". SeemS he might be referring to XXI if he survives being snitched on by ILK. I wonder if the conflict with Vegitto and XXI will occur at the same time? Vegitto's rampage allows for XXI to use it as an opening? Guess we'll see 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 29 Octombrie 2023
Yeah symmetrical blows arent working for me, goku and vegeta are different fighters, theres gotta be a way to have a balanced fight without making them look like they were raised or taught together
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Pryomnicom 1 Ianuarie 2021
WHole point of dragonball has been to show that "Good guys" will always avoid the final solution - Hence goku giving, Frieza, Vegeta and latest Morro, have a chance to join the good guys no matter what atrocities they committed. Realistically we know that isn't the best way to do things and most of the time, evil remains evil even in dragonball. But its seems to me that dragonball multiverse is keeping that theme of what it means to be a good guy. So it's only rational that Bra would be a character they wont so easily give up on.
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Pryomnicom 20 Decembrie 2020
16 Years of having to answer to no-one, Vegettos a control freak. Cant control Bra? Then there shall be no Bra!
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Pryomnicom 16 Octombrie 2020
People saying "ooh ooh dumb dumb plot i dont feel sympathy" aren't remembering that Bra (U18) literally talked about how Bra (16) doesn't deserve pity or excuses if she wants to be the best. And that is likely the position Salagir is taking on the character, since it's what brings resolution to the whole arc. 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 17 Iunie 2020
This is defo just how vegito pressured her into become a challenge for him.
Good ol' saiyan parenting - mildly abusive and egregiously manipulative.
He probably never had any intention to kill her, just like how Beerus threatend the earth to push Goku to "achieving" super saiyan god. 1 Replie(s)
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Pryomnicom 9 Mai 2020
Guys, don't forget about XXIII, or whatever he's called.

He said he'd wait 2 hours before interference. 1 Replie(s)
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