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DoubleMonkey
26 Februarie 2020
I kind of hope that kakarot in the main story will regain consciousness as a severed head and mock U16 dead gohan. XD
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DoubleMonkey
24 Februarie 2020
WaluigiTime was saying:
I feel like the most important thing we need to learn above all else is how vegeta got his snazzy cape, I will riot if we don't find out
Lies, the most important thing we need to know is this: when they put kakarot's head back on did they first put it on backwards to mess with him? :P
DoubleMonkey
24 Februarie 2020
King 4 was saying:
1. He super vises it. 2. There are multiple implied examples of kakarot being Mortal 3. Bar his majin take-over and being impaled by vegeta, there's no evidence of kakarot being immortal or even hints.
So he's going to play to both sides. On one hand, yes kakarot did have immortality. But the evidences you (the fanbase) are using is null because by then kakarot had no immortality by then. So he effectivly played both sides to make the story unpredictable. But he didn't fool me. King 4's wisdom is rivaled by few, and surpassed by even fewer.
DBM prides itself on being extremly unpredictable and out-of-the-box. Can't use in-box thinking to predict these guys, and so that's why I'm probably going to be right! Unless, of course, salagir changes his vision because of my acute perception and goes with the contradictory predictable of kakarot keeping his immortality. Either I'm right, or DBM egregiously undermines it's own novel and pulled this immortality legit out of nowhere. If someone like kakarot legitly had true immortality... you think no one would notice, the sayains would never bring it up, neither would kakarot and that kakarot would stay submissive to vegeta who has no immortality and whom kakarot hates? that's a joke. KAKAROT IS GOING TO LOSE HIS IMMORTALITY!
Look, Ive said the same thing now for a few post so i'm done. The evidence is very clear, kakarot dosen't have immortality by the tournament. The hints that he does, are just teases that can be easily explained by the effect of a majin boost.
And if I'm wrong, DBM would be objectively shooting its writing completely in the foot.
Only options:
King 4 is right
or....
DBM loses.
No other option.
Now enough with this convo, we will see. but I will probably be right.
So he's going to play to both sides. On one hand, yes kakarot did have immortality. But the evidences you (the fanbase) are using is null because by then kakarot had no immortality by then. So he effectivly played both sides to make the story unpredictable. But he didn't fool me. King 4's wisdom is rivaled by few, and surpassed by even fewer.
DBM prides itself on being extremly unpredictable and out-of-the-box. Can't use in-box thinking to predict these guys, and so that's why I'm probably going to be right! Unless, of course, salagir changes his vision because of my acute perception and goes with the contradictory predictable of kakarot keeping his immortality. Either I'm right, or DBM egregiously undermines it's own novel and pulled this immortality legit out of nowhere. If someone like kakarot legitly had true immortality... you think no one would notice, the sayains would never bring it up, neither would kakarot and that kakarot would stay submissive to vegeta who has no immortality and whom kakarot hates? that's a joke. KAKAROT IS GOING TO LOSE HIS IMMORTALITY!
Look, Ive said the same thing now for a few post so i'm done. The evidence is very clear, kakarot dosen't have immortality by the tournament. The hints that he does, are just teases that can be easily explained by the effect of a majin boost.
And if I'm wrong, DBM would be objectively shooting its writing completely in the foot.
Only options:
King 4 is right
or....
DBM loses.
No other option.
Now enough with this convo, we will see. but I will probably be right.
1. Proofreading is not supervising, and he even said he only quickly proofreads it and doesn't pick up all the errors, and that's the french version which has less instances of hinting he's mortal. So you're clinging to a mistranslation of a fanfiction of a fancomic to try and prove the fancomic wrong.
2. Most of those are either open to interpretation, or have been noted as mistranslations.
3. There have been multiple hints that he's immortal in the comic, you're just selectively choosing to ignore or dismiss them.
Just because you don't like or agree with the writing, doesn't make it bad writing. Given the years long debate and speculation it has created it's easier to argue that it has been well written.
You're either delusional or trolling.
DoubleMonkey
24 Februarie 2020
kingworld was saying:
Dooo you realize that this Kakaroth's immortality thing was decided FAR BEFORE DBS even was thought to be aired, right?
Do you realize that you are replying to a quote that literally says "DBM predates DBS"?
King 4 was saying:
The only hope you guys have at this point is because I have spoiled what would have been the exciting twist and now have seemily Ticked off swaths of readers who are now hoping I’m wrong; salagir might just scrap the twist and proceed to either retcon his novel or leave the plot hole. That wouldn’t surprise me.
That is the only hope you guys have^
The only way I’m wrong is probably if the author retcon his own work or just leaves the plot hole... and I’d wager he probably did it because I spoiled what would have been the surprising twist.
That is the only hope you guys have^
The only way I’m wrong is probably if the author retcon his own work or just leaves the plot hole... and I’d wager he probably did it because I spoiled what would have been the surprising twist.
You seem to be happily ignoring the fact that Salagir has stated that he doesn't write the novel. It is essentially a fanfiction of a fancomic. So he doesn't have to retcon his own work to hide plot holes as it isn't his plot hole and has pointed out that the novel can be wrong. So quit clinging to the novel as if it disproves the comic when the comic is the only actual DBM canon. If any contradictions occur between the comic and novel then just accept that the comic overrides the novel and move on. 1 Replie(s)
DoubleMonkey
19 Februarie 2020
King 4 was saying:
Actually, it was raichi fight that made radditzs take such action. He was unnerved at how vegeta could gleefully kill the alternate versions of his own race.
Raditz literally said "Lucky! I'd love a chance to get revenge on all those guys". Vegeta keeps them around because they're useful (this Vegeta is still like saiyan saga U18 Vegeta, who happily killed Nappa once he wasn't useful anymore), and the others stay with Vegeta because he is stronger than them, so they have a better chance of survival. 2 Replie(s)
DoubleMonkey
12 Februarie 2020
Ashanark was saying:
Nappa survived two suicide attacks basically unharmed and had complete control of the field by the end. He was only beaten when someone stronger showed up.
In fairness, Nappa would have been killed by Krillin if Vegeta didn't warn him.
DoubleMonkey
10 Februarie 2020
DrewSaga was saying:
She is under Babidi's spell, if this was her doing under her own will she wouldn't be protecting Babidi.
I know that and you know that, but some people are still going to justify it. :P
DoubleMonkey
9 Februarie 2020
People are still going to claim she isn't really evil/under babidi's spell. :P
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DoubleMonkey
31 Ianuarie 2020
Damn, Gohan looks exhausted, he put a lot into that.
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DoubleMonkey
29 Ianuarie 2020
Beautiful page, that second panel in particular. XD
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DoubleMonkey
29 Ianuarie 2020
Xizor was saying:
The problem is that you can't understand that you CAN'T have multiplication without unit. Multiplication requires certain mathematical structure to define it. You can't multiply cat by a train. "It uses two powers, to make a much bigger power" - sure that definition is fine. But don't try to use the math you don't understand in there.
Again, clearly you're the one who doesn't understand. It. Is. All. ARBITRARY. Even using the word "multiplication" is arbitrary since it is simply people putting the closest word onto the subject to try and describe the function in a way that is easier (for most of us...) to understand. Does that mean it is literally a multiplication function being employed in the fusion mechanics? Nope, it's just the closest thing to "uses the size of one thing to make another thing bigger." Again, if you are unable to conceptualize the very simple nature of all of this without a number then that is your own lack of imagination. Don't try to use what you THINK you understand here.
Xizor was saying:
Because it was widely assumed since DBZ, DBS just confirmed it. And your theory doesn't have any confirmations, it probably came from some mistranslation.
At no point, at all, did I say that I think that fusion is a multiplication and not a sum, I was merely explaining SOMEONE ELSE'S post to you since you didn't understand "times".
Xizor was saying:
I'm a math major.
Ah, that explains why you THINK you understand but are actually being very restricted by what you think you know.
So, I am now done trying to help you.
DoubleMonkey
29 Ianuarie 2020
Xizor was saying:
You can't say that fusion is multiplying and not depends on unit, that's a logical contradiction.
Yes, I can, because the fusion doesn't use a unit. It uses two powers, to make a much bigger power. The fact that you can't understand this is your problem not mine.
Xizor was saying:
Why are we even talking about this, the official canon (DBS) is that fusion is sum of powers multiplied by constant and DBM canon does't deny this.
Because DBM existed BEFORE DBS, so they COULDN'T use something it made (unless they came up with the same thing independently). You apparently don't understand time very well.
Xizor was saying:
Ok, I'll also stop. It seems basic math/physics education is really bad in some places.
Yes...where ever you are from it would seem... 1 Replie(s)
DoubleMonkey
29 Ianuarie 2020
Xizor was saying:
I am talking about multiplying power by power, not power by constant. And you're just wrong. Even your example is false.
100C * 2 = 200C
212F * 2 = 424F = 212,(2) C
373,15K * 2 = 746,3K = 473,15 K
100C * 2 = 200C
212F * 2 = 424F = 212,(2) C
373,15K * 2 = 746,3K = 473,15 K
No, my example isn't false, merely your understanding of it is false. You are multiplying THE NUMBERS, and not THE BOILING POINT OF WATER. Which clearly shows your complete lack of ANY understanding of what we have been saying.
Ok, perhaps I can dumb it down even further so that you can understand what I'm talking about.
Take the length of your Index finger. If you put your Index finger on a piece of paper and draw a line as long as it, then you have a line that is YourFingerX1. If you put the tip of your index finger at the end of that line and draw along your finger again then you have a line that is now twice the length of your index finger, YourFingerX2. It doesn't matter what system of measurement you use to then measure the length of that line, it is still YourFinger multiplied by 2.
If you still can't understand it after this then there is no hope for you.
Xizor was saying:
I was talking about fusion mechanics, not the numbers
You're the only one here that is obsessed with numbers, everyone else is saying the numbers aren't important.
Xizor was saying:
You really don' understand that if you chose different unit you'll get different result of multiplication...?
No, it's you not understanding WHAT is being multiplied. I didn't say to multiply the SCALE that we use to measure the boiling point of water.
I was talking about doubling the boiling point of WATER ITSELF, NOT THE SCALE, but since you can't seem to understand that it fairly perfectly demonstrates WHY we attach arbitrary scales to things to make it easier to understand.
And since you seem to have missed it several times and think we're all stupid, THE FUSION DOESN'T CARE ABOUT NUMBERS. You're far too hung up on scales to even grasp the fact that we are, in essence, AGREEING.
There's no point carrying this on, it started with my trying to help someone understand english and devolved.
DoubleMonkey
29 Ianuarie 2020
Xizor was saying:
@Beat-kun
First of all, don't use fanmade numbers for power levels, those are dumb. And you don't understand my question. Why are you using Freeza's units? They have nothing to do with the Potara.
First of all, don't use fanmade numbers for power levels, those are dumb. And you don't understand my question. Why are you using Freeza's units? They have nothing to do with the Potara.
He was using numbers as EXAMPLES, he wasn't saying those were their official powerlevels, you are deliberately misunderstanding. And Frieza's units are being used as AN EXAMPLE to make it easier to understand, would you rather we use a Potato scale? Would that make it easier for you? Both fusion types are magic and don't rely on ANY numbers to function, they simply rely on the Power/Energy/Ki/What-Have-You, of the people being fused. Numbers are only there to make it easier for the reader to comprehend (some of us at least...) and compare.
If you'd prefer we can display it using Algebra:
Goten x Trunks = Gotenks
a x b = y
Goten x Trunks x BuuGifts = Enhanced Gotenks
a x b x 2 = 2y
The numbers themselves don't matter, the magic dance DOESN'T NEED them, only we do as a method of comprehension. If you want to further argue that you can't multiply with knowing what 1 is then you ARE just deliberately being obtuse.
DoubleMonkey
29 Ianuarie 2020
Xizor was saying:
@Beat
I am asking what numbres are you multiplying. Do you use Freeza scale? Babidi scale? Some other scale specific to the earings? If you want to multiply you have to know what the 1 is.
I am asking what numbres are you multiplying. Do you use Freeza scale? Babidi scale? Some other scale specific to the earings? If you want to multiply you have to know what the 1 is.
It doesn't matter what scale you use, the dance multiplies their power/ki, any scale is simply a way of trying to quantify the same thing. If you double the temperature of the boiling point of water, then it doesn't matter what scale you use to label it, it is still double the boiling point of water. It is a magic dance, it doesn't care what number you label power with, it takes two powers and magnifies them.
Gotten to the point where I'm thinking you're just being deliberately obtuse.
DoubleMonkey
29 Ianuarie 2020
Xizor was saying:
DoubleMonkey was saying: Xizor was saying: But what does "times" mean? I don't remember novel saying anything like that.
Multiplied by. So he means (Goten's Power x Trunks' Power) x2 = New Gotenks.
But that doesn't make any sense. What does that even mean? To multiply you have to define "1". What is "1" power?
Multiplied by. So he means (Goten's Power x Trunks' Power) x2 = New Gotenks.
But that doesn't make any sense. What does that even mean? To multiply you have to define "1". What is "1" power?
It means that you take Goten's Power Level (for example say he has a power level of 100), then multiply it by Trunk's Power Level (again, let's just say 100 since they have to equal their power to fuse via the dance), to get normal Gotenks power level. Then with the buu gifted enhancements you multiply that by 2.
So Goten (100) x Trunks (100) = Gotenks (10,000)
Goten(100) x Trunks(100) x BuuGifts(2) = Enhanced Gotenks (20,000)
DISCLAIMER: I'm sure most of you will know that these numbers are just examples but some will not understand and think I'm saying that's how strong he is, I'M NOT, they are just easy numbers picked to demonstrate the example. Hell I'm not even saying that's how fusion works out power, I'm just explaining what the poster said.
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DoubleMonkey
29 Ianuarie 2020
Xizor was saying:
But what does "times" mean? I don't remember novel saying anything like that.
Multiplied by. So he means (Goten's Power x Trunks' Power) x2 = New Gotenks.
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DoubleMonkey
29 Ianuarie 2020
fujvgk was saying:
About the foxes, i actually didnt know that! but does the fact that they do so makes foxes evil?.
I believe that evil is a term that can be used only on humans(and human-likes in dragonball case).
bra human side came into a direct conflict with her saiyan need for a challenge. So she caged her beast side as hard as she could, not an easy task.
for me it allways looked like the saiyans don't just want to fight, they need to fight. its part of their DNA. And not being able to get into a fight is like not being able to eat or drink.
Its true that it looks like this need doesnt go to half saiayns normally. but bra does has a fused saiyan as a father, which might be a major factor.
If that's the case (and i see it as if it is until proven otherwise) I cant call it evil or good.
piccolo did say evil energy, but if the chickens could talk, wouldnt they also call the fox evil?
I believe that evil is a term that can be used only on humans(and human-likes in dragonball case).
bra human side came into a direct conflict with her saiyan need for a challenge. So she caged her beast side as hard as she could, not an easy task.
for me it allways looked like the saiyans don't just want to fight, they need to fight. its part of their DNA. And not being able to get into a fight is like not being able to eat or drink.
Its true that it looks like this need doesnt go to half saiayns normally. but bra does has a fused saiyan as a father, which might be a major factor.
If that's the case (and i see it as if it is until proven otherwise) I cant call it evil or good.
piccolo did say evil energy, but if the chickens could talk, wouldnt they also call the fox evil?
Pretty sure the chickens would call the fox evil if they could talk.
And yes I would say Bra has quite an evil streak in her since she was clearly enjoying the idea of torturing Zangya before Vegito told her not to. She seems to want to kill and enjoy killing, this is the part that makes her evil.
About saiyans needing to fight, there's a difference between fighting and killing, saiyans have proven to be able to enjoy a fight without it ending in death.
DoubleMonkey
28 Ianuarie 2020
fujvgk was saying:
But didnt piccolo just said that they thought she might become good again?
No, he just said he was hoping she was faking. What he DID say was that her huge EVIL aura woke him up after Cell left him in pieces.
fujvgk was saying:
I dont call the fox evil for killing the rabbit. Do you?
Bad example, foxes will kill without eating. If a fox gets into a chicken coop it will slaughter all the chickens even if it only eats one of them. 1 Replie(s)
DoubleMonkey
28 Ianuarie 2020
Beat-kun was saying:
@dr raichi
Yup, bra is evil. No doubt about it. Also, that is the first time i have ever heard of the phrase “white knighting”. What does that mean?
Yup, bra is evil. No doubt about it. Also, that is the first time i have ever heard of the phrase “white knighting”. What does that mean?
Generally defending or blindly defending a female, as in this case with things like "she is not even evil" despite her needing some evil to even be majinized.
DoubleMonkey
27 Ianuarie 2020
Beat-kun was saying:
@invader_jim
I love phil collins, but was that what you were talking about?
I love phil collins, but was that what you were talking about?
I think it was a joke about her name, Phipsil. But I could be wrong. 1 Replie(s)
DoubleMonkey
24 Ianuarie 2020
Asura was saying:
Hi Everyone!! I haven't been here for a long time.
Thank you all for my birthday. I didn't know that so many people knew the date. XD
Hope you enjoy the chapter :)
Thank you all for my birthday. I didn't know that so many people knew the date. XD
Hope you enjoy the chapter :)
Happy birthday, your art is amazing. It pisses all over the current manga's art.
DoubleMonkey
23 Ianuarie 2020
Fantastic panels. :) Just a shame it'll most likely amount to no effect on her.
Yup, 2 gohans, 2 piccolos, cell...and they're stuck doing the same old one-at-a-time stuff. Piccolo and Gohan have spent decades in life or death fights against much stronger opponents....they should have much more fighting experience than someone who has spent her life steam-rolling much weaker opponents with a father who could fart star systems to death.
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Dr Raichi was saying:
They are supposed to be smart god damn it.
Yup, 2 gohans, 2 piccolos, cell...and they're stuck doing the same old one-at-a-time stuff. Piccolo and Gohan have spent decades in life or death fights against much stronger opponents....they should have much more fighting experience than someone who has spent her life steam-rolling much weaker opponents with a father who could fart star systems to death.
DoubleMonkey
21 Ianuarie 2020
THE PROBLEM SOLVER was saying:
Lol what a way to see only the worst most points of their character history
Sure, lets just ignore their character change and development
The sacrifice against Buu and all and Bulma changing from a self centered adventurer to someone working hard to provide friends and family the means and facilities to protect earth better
Lol what a way to see only the worst most points of their character history
Sure, lets just ignore their character change and development
The sacrifice against Buu and all and Bulma changing from a self centered adventurer to someone working hard to provide friends and family the means and facilities to protect earth better
Well, since Vegeta would still lose his body in the afterlife when he sacrificed himself it clearly doesn't mean he is redeemed, he has a LOT of murder to make up for, even enjoyed killing an entire crowd of innocent people that same day.
And Bulma TRIED TO KILL A CHILD. Again I think you're being a little dismissive of things that would get people the death penalty in a lot of countries. Also Bulma never stopped being self centered.
DoubleMonkey
21 Ianuarie 2020
saintlylion was saying:
Are his eyes changing color?
I'm assuming that's for dramatic effect and lighting, same as the tips of his hair glowing...but who knows. 1 Replie(s)
DoubleMonkey
20 Ianuarie 2020
Cole25 was saying:
Damn Bra really has fallen low, she’s such a disgrace to her family
.....Really? Are you forgetting who her family is? Half of her father is Vegeta....the guy who has slaughtered entire planets. And her mother is Bulma, someone who shoots a child in the face when we first see her (and is surprised the child survived, so definitely tried to kill him). So seems more like she's following in her family's footsteps. 1 Replie(s)
DoubleMonkey
12 Ianuarie 2020
YardratVegeta was saying:
when she used the beans to glue her arm back on
The senzu made her regrow her arm, not glue the old one back on, you can see the severed arm hit the floor afterwards.
DoubleMonkey
12 Ianuarie 2020
Jubjub was saying:
Just so everyone remembers, Bra can make ki clones that essentially are kage bunshin. We're going to see in the clip that the one hit for Cell wasn't even legit
The only ki clones we've seen her make shatter when hit, they don't move or react like in this page.
DoubleMonkey
9 Ianuarie 2020
p4ran0id was saying:
brake uncles spine and so on... XD
Uncle? Gohan is her brother.
Also, ouch, she just did to him what he did to her....except aimed differently. 1 Replie(s)
DoubleMonkey
8 Ianuarie 2020
Joker was saying:
Bra is using the power up to try to beat Vegito.
I'm pretty sure she knows that the power gap between her and Vegito is far too wide for the Majin boost to let her beat him.
Various people are saying she isn't really under his control because she hasn't killed anyone yet, but let's not forget that for almost all of this fight she has been playing with them and as soon as she lost her backup senzu beans she immediately abandoned a Gohan in space to die.
DoubleMonkey
7 Ianuarie 2020
To people saying Bra isn't talking to him like a subordinate: don't forget she has called him Master twice.
Also, I wonder if Cell managed to sneak any mini-jrs onto babidi, he could find himself suddenly teleported back into the arena.
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Also, I wonder if Cell managed to sneak any mini-jrs onto babidi, he could find himself suddenly teleported back into the arena.
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Panel 3 Bra: EXCUSE ME!?