Nah, it wasn't a real surprise or anything, just a basic page, it was just a page that didn't fit with the flow

If the page was like XXI taking control of Vegito, something huge, that would be different.

yeah cover pages definitely help with the transition between art styles, and plot points

is this a spoiler that Uub comes back soon? :) cuz he almost has to, he has to be here for the finale

I hope 1 Odpowiedzi

Trunks, my man, stop telling him what worked.

He's gorgeous!

Of course it's Cell, but he won't have most of the DNA that made him so powerful.

Even when I was hopeful that this is what happened to Gohan (for story's sake), I knew it would be a Cell hybrid



Lmaooo

Have you read the last several pages? Gohan is alive, disguised as the bird man.

A shame, because it's hard to imagine who Gero could beef up to be remotely worth Gast's time..

Maybe Goku's body, lol

I think most people found fun in the first few pages of this prologue, I had some fun with them too. The last page was a weak stab. This page is just embarrassing.

It's fine that they didn't fight optimally but... well the criticisms have all been made 1000 times.



It actually seems like the moderation has been light on the last two pages.

Are you talking about Chibi? I've never seen anything that was twisting the knife, even in Mini comics. I think it's a bit of self-awareness actually. It picks on everyone (readers, staff, plot armor, Bra herself, a lot!)



For the record Zen, I've always thought of you as pretty decent. I don't always agree, lol, but it's your playground.

Until platforming these last two pages, I've never thought of anyone on DBM's team as spiteful. All pretty good dudes.

I didn't even have an opinion of Sayazur until he got spiteful. I didn't care for what he was doing to my favorite universe, but that's well known and was entirely constructive until that point. Afterwards, I did lob some sarcasm back.

And honestly, the incident gave Batman a lot of dimensions to grow.

— The irresponsibility of towing a kid around
— The failure of not saving him
— The failure of allowing a monster to escalate

And later

— The responsibility of indirectly creating Red Hood
— The reflective critique that he is of Batman.

So in other words, DC heard criticism, and grew from it. Robin dying is one of the best things to happen to Batman.

Criticism (from his editor) is also how we got 17, 18, and Cell (and 16)

That's actually the basic criticism, is that more effort should have gone into this.

If I wrote something like this, I'd want my friends, and the publisher, to give feedback. Like "Why did they X? You can't just say because it's cool" 1 Odpowiedzi

nah man, you're the only author on this site that attacks his readers because you won't invest time in writing or drawing.

You're just embarrassing yourself. It's tragic that DBM let you platform this addendum. 3 Odpowiedzi

Mods trolling is cool.

Nobody has really questioned that, only why lie to Gast. Gast is the ultimate good guy. 1 Odpowiedzi

In this summary, this does seem wildly silly, but that's okay. A lot of DB would seem wildly silly when explained in a few pages

"A god-cat shows up and makes friends with Goku after testing his strength. He likes Goku, but never intervenes to help. Even more powerful is his assistant, who isn't allowed to help, but does sometimes. Even more powerful are two guardians who guard the toddler-king of the universe who is more powerful than them"

Even more powerful than that, is Mr. Popo.

Also, I'm pretty sure this has all been a lovely troll. Blanco was more serious than all of the manga on this site.

In any case, thanks :)

One cool end would have been if Broly killed Kakkarot, and the shock of it made him drop his form, and Rage-Gohan put his fist through base Broly's chest.

If that's Goten and he's older than videl, he basically has an apartment in the Hyper Cosmic Lion Tamer.

I mean, in Canon, they also didn't really age while Gohan did.

Not sure what a cell jr could even bring to the fight.

Plus, Goku is too cheery in the vision.

"Wow, and I wanted to fuse just because it's far and away our most powerful move, and we're fighting a guy that our second most powerful move couldn't defeat."



Probably not, the point is that universe 20 is always and forever the only variant where Broly wins. He defeated a black hole.

These are mostly cheeky.

Seeing the prophecies in color was cool.

Yeah, only they are strong enough to push each other.

I appreciate you coming back to give some closure

I cannot describe how thrilled I was to see Blancoverse at the top of the page.

But, yeah, do what's best for you!

He's Ichigo

They know Gast is a good guy, there's literally no reason to lie to Gast about this. 1 Odpowiedzi

Gohan or not, just because you can fight two, doesn't mean you can fight all of them, and they'd send all if he powered up at all.

But there's zero reason to tell this lie to Gast, if Gohan was right there. 1 Odpowiedzi

Omg, don't tell him you dolt.



If Trunks can scale to Vegito out of nowhere, then Mai can tooooo

Pretty sure Mega Buu in the canon chapter said he was stronger than Broly.

This Buu or Gogeta absolutely could have Mafuba'd Broly, but Mafuba is boring.

Carbonite can be cool if it comes as a surprise. It worked because it was introduced in a way that didn't imply it was going to be used against that Broly until it was. It was kinda cool that Bra avoided it, but it was annoying how Bra avoided everything.

Demon spit is boring, because if Dabura shows up, you know why he's there. You have to find a way to introduce it as a surprise. Example: He's absorbed into Buu before the fight starts and Buu ejects him at a surprise moment.

Anyway, ignoring the easy solutions sucks, that's why you have to write around them.

Yes, DB has always ignored the obvious solutions, and it's annoying for that. Saiyans want a fight.

But U18 Goku, which this one basically is, has always gotten serious when it counted.

I wouldn't say he pushed him, just affect him. It took everything he had to hold him at bay for a few minutes, but that's a feat. That probably makes him strong enough to solo Frieza.

Piccolo fought even with 17 for a little bit, it's not hard to imagine Tien being like 20% as strong.

Kikoho was basically Tien's Kaioken or Self-Destruct. Pushed his power well above his max, and then was immediately worn out.

Even not immediately dying to Cell Jrs is a decent accomplishment for how the story neglects them. It's sad that it's literally all we have because they were so sidelined.

When's the last time Yamcha did anything of note? They'd be zero help.

Exactly the same number depending on you last time, Trunks, and uhhhhh...

So, Tien was powerful enough to affect Semi perfect Cell. They were all powerful enough to not get one shot by cell Jrs.

Sure, they didn't train with King Kai, and Krillin didn't get his potential unlocked, but it's called potential for a reason.

They're nowhere near as powerful as their DBZ counters, but they could be well above 10k.

Now, Vegeta and crew should also be.

Also, they're all bones if the androids show up, hahaha. 1 Odpowiedzi

I'm not sure who came up with psychological shocks but it's so poorly defined. Broly is pure crazy.

There's only two things that might be a psychological shock to Broly--Paragus returning, and maybe if he killed Kakkarot.

Nothing else matters to him.

In DBZ, Goku used the best tools available to him. We all know DBS has weak writing.

And since the Buumobile lost to Broly, they knew none of their individual attacks wouldn't work, regardless of training.

So the best strength strategy is Buumobile with every fighters and as many fusions as possible, good and evil.

An even better strategy for Buu to absorb the magic users too

Well, she has surprise on her side

In one universe in the main comic, Broly was turned to carbonite.

Besides that, and this, nobody has ever tried things other than punches and ki. Zen Buu could probably take him.

Mafuba similarly gets ignored in DB and DBM, so do the dragons, because (just like this), it's an easy solution and hard to develop a comic around.

Proper stories just need to give reasons why they're not being used. DB is guilty of not doing that, all the time.

For instance. "Two dead souls can't fuse. At least one has to be living" and then you get rid of the easy solution of fusing.

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Also, a bunch of people pointed out that Dabura, Babidi, and tons of others should have been here. Get Babidi to make Majin Gogeta.

The universe is at stake, it's worth the risk, which should be minimal.

imagine the future of this universe

eons from now, some demon is on a bulldozer, clearing old junk, and decides to throw out this old weird statue

He pushes into this statue and the bulldozer's scoop crumples against it.

If the theory is right and U18 Gogeta has to fight U16 Vegito, Gogeta will absolutely blitz anything Vegito has because, because of the base power difference and especially SS0

There's nothing in either canon that says either is stronger. Super introduces dumb weaknesses that make Dance better, but not necessarily stronger or weaker.



So, every universe where fought Broly as Mega Buu (the DBM story, not this) started as the same universe (universe 20). In most, Salagir says. It deviated there to "two paths", Universe "21" where Broly died, and 20, where Broly survived.

It's the same thing now. They started this fight and the fight could have gone several ways. Consider those universes like 20, 20.1, 20.2, 20.3...

In this one, Broly wins, in another, Broly one shots Vegeta and wins without a Gogeta, in another, Vegeta is killed and Gohan and Goku fuse. In another, they start the fight fused. (These are all examples)

Tldr: It should say "deviations from universe 20"

@Damian

I'm okay with the ice change. It's not perfect but it's no big deal. It's better than tearing at the immaterial fabric of space.

Some people have an issue with the art, which I understand.

The bigger issue is just characters making impossibly wrong choices, Plan B, which they'd devised before the fight, was infinitely better than Plan A.

There's no universe where the Z Fighters make these choices.

Probably close enough that one of his adolescent rages can last long enough to beat Vegeta down, before the humans help finish him off.

I hope that's where the story is going.

RIP, New Trunks 1 Odpowiedzi

It's a shame that the human universes are always up against indomitable threats, it's so nice to get to see og characters get the spotlight.

Aside from the last two, you're retrofitting to the initial introductions of each transformation. Goku got SS2 the same way he got SS3. Vegeta has gotten all of his transformations out of jealousy.

Gonna be honest, I could absolutely enjoy five pages of Brolycicle floating through space.

Each panel, the ice just gets bigger and bigger. 2 Odpowiedzi

@Zen Kuu, Good points about U18/16 taking the Broly fight immediately serious.

Vegito understood that nobody there stood a chance, so he immediately saved Goku by distracting Broly.

I miss Hero Vegito

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People talk about mirroring all the time, and I get it.

Mirroring is a great tool for outlines. It can also work if you're going to obstruct part of the character behind someone else.

You can also mirror and then edit the result, which a lot of artists do. It's even useful to start from there if you're not naturally good at consistent proportions

Saiyan armor is symmetrical, but a saiyan body is only symmetrical in shape, it shouldn't be a perfect mirror on the page.

Buu's clothing is symmetrical but you'd never draw it symmetrical on him (wrinkles and all). It would stand out like a sore thumb 1 Odpowiedzi

16 years.

Holy Crap, Lois.

It did fine. It established the contrast between where DBS left Future Trunks (happily ever after, besides the infinite trauma) with where this fanmanga is starting (infinite rage and infinite trauma).

But no dual wield :( 1 Odpowiedzi

I'll just leave some advice.

If this were your own story, with your own characters, you can make characters make poor choices, and people won't be so bothered. Although, if your characters have a super tool, like fusion, and don't use it ASAP, it will still get criticized when it comes up later.

Sidenote, this is why DBM Broly is so criticized in a story that is otherwise well liked. He's not a deviation, or an evolution, he's a boring overhaul, worse than the movie's creation.

But we know who this crew is, we know all the power and strategy available to them, and they approached the fight with no strategy. The year they had changed nothing at all, except for SS3 Vegeta.

If you're excluding great strategy, or including bad strategy (Raditz and Nappa), people will react

That's been obvious, it's by far the best way to add weight to this story

And Gobot would be the only thing that Gast might have (emotional) trouble against. And Gobot might keep his rage mechanic.

Or they were already forced to kill him, being the one they killed.

Narrator: They could.

I don't think it is. An SS2 tier fighter Gohaning himself to above Vegito is just ludicrous

Good, worst thing ever. 1 Odpowiedzi

We love your stories goten_kun

I'm hopeful that Gohan (and maybe Nappa) turn on the Saiyans and become the protectors of Earth and have a long happy ending.

Besides U16/18, Gohan never ever gets a good life. 1 Odpowiedzi

Of course, the characters probably didn't know about Broly's lifespan.

The biggest problem, as I've always said, is that Broly defeated a character far more powerful than any of them, MegaBuu v1, and their Plan A was just to jump him all together. Plan B was incomparably better.

They also know that Broly defeated a Black Hole lol.

Plan C, unseen, was the best. Buu absorb Gogeta as well. And Janemba when he shows up. By golly, I bet he'd be almost as powerful as fatigued Vegito (lol)

And these characters aren't stupid. They're identical to Z fighters, except that Broly missed the sun. We can tell, since Uub and Buu are there.

Team power never works in Dragonball directly. It always has to be combined in one person. (Fusion, Spirit Bomb, Broly Movie)

A team did beat a worn-down Vegeta.

Vegeta helped vs cell, but Cell was struggling v Gohan, Vegeta offered a distraction.

In Father/Son Kamehameha, it was more morale boosting. Goku didn't actually contribute to it. 1 Odpowiedzi

The two stories are essentially the same basic thing. They tell the last events of U20 before the tournament. Both are an all-out battle in which they lose.

So yes, DBM DID do their version of this story.

There literally is. https://w...&chapter=80

In it, the characters are ambushed and put together the best possible plan they can in the moment.

Also, lots of prequel stories tell a story where the basic ending is already known, like the Star Wars prequels. They aren't perfect, sure, but there's a great thread in there about the tragedy of it all. 1 Odpowiedzi

I know he said it, but I think it's a myth. No one made him tell the story this way. Maybe DBM objected to some planned plot point (I doubt it), but it still doesn't explain the disjointed plot events.

I think Uub had one line, Bojack too (who cares), Janemba was a distraction. Raditz and Nappa got more screentime than almost everyone, but the final three fighters.

It genuinely feels like, much like Chibi Son Bra, each page was mostly just what he felt like drawing next, which is part of why we never saw Gogeta and Buu attacking together.

It's a sad thing, the chance at Buunemba could have been cool. This always could have branched to a sub-branch of U20. 2 Odpowiedzi

People correct the translation all the time, but this one was fine. This line, like it is, is entirely in Mr. Satan's character to play himself down.

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I'm having some trouble feeling any tension in this story, Gast can and will decimate everything they can throw at him, nobody else stands a chance.

This Cell might be, but shouldn't be, as strong as Super Perfect Cell, but even that is nothing against an SS3 tier fighter

The only thing I'm waiting for is the reveal of the lie, and expecting a Gohan reveal--which are probably related.

Inb4 Cell is built on Gohan

You're saying that the LSSJ meter would be reset? So like, this Broly would be about as weak as the Broly in his first movie, when he first went LSSJ?

Is there lore on that? 2 Odpowiedzi

Harsh, it's barely even begun.

I'm all for it, if it goes somewhere interesting, gives F/T some closure, and maybe a happy life.

It isn't plot convenient. Plot convenient usually involves plot armor or a deus ex machina.

But their strongest fighter didn't show up til two or three decent strength fighters were already obliterated. They waited forty pages, maybe fifty, to apply any actual strategy. Once they used strategy, Vegito and Buu would each be absent or motionless for several pages.

When you're moving at FTL speeds, a half hour lasts forever. A comic can get two panels from a half hour, or a hundred pages. Look how long five minutes last on Namek.

If you want the fight without a strategy, start it with an ambush. Broly breaks into Other world and one-shots Gohan or Vegeta, or maybe Goku. That would have been cool, we could have seen a new fusion.

If you want to avoid fusion, say that two dead fighters can't fuse. For absorption, there are a few ways to not have Buu here.

If you want to start a planned fight, then they should have been fused and absorbed before Kai transported Broly.

All Broly is, is a big number. He's infinity. So you have to be creative and smart if you want to take him down, and maybe use characters with magic like Mafuba or Dabura's spit.

So, presumably, this causes a cataclysmic destruction of everything in existence

Broly survives it. And people thought surviving the supermassive black hole was absurd (it was)

I held out hope that this would be like U20.001 where they eked out a surprise win.

Instead, they picked a fight without a strategy against an enemy they were terrified of.

At least their willful ignorance didn't pay off, that would actually be worse



This Gogeta was based on a fusion of Goku and Vegeta with like 11 more years to train, the last year being very serious.

In DBM, the same is true, and that Goku/Vegeta have SS0, and both the component fighters are alive, since Vegito seems affected by a dead Vegeta.

Gogeta in DBM should decimate Vegito, on speed alone.

Fair, sorry

Yeah, Buu absorbing Broly made no sense towards weakening him.

Buu bunding Broly (like a rope) might have had some value.



It's questionable how absorbed Broly was. It seems like Buu was barely more than a layer of goo over Broly. They didn't want to absorb him, because he'd truly be the dominant force and absolutely unstoppable. 1 Odpowiedzi

A more powerful fusion than even Vegito!



Goku, canonically, or here, would fail to that too. He's cocky enough to never take a fight seriously

Double-dead horse, but they had plenty of chances and time.

There are things writers need to do if they want to avoid obvious solutions.

Instead of "Let's not fuse," you can say that neither/either fusion doesn't work if both people are dead.

Same for absorption, or just make Buu not be here at all.

If you really want them to abandon any plan, use an ambush. Broly tore a dimensional hole open, or punched through the Ice Barrier. In his ambush, have him double-kill Gohan or something. Rip off Bardock's Vegito vision lol

it's a reasonable question. Every other character in the last two pages is decently drawn, but Kai is "phoned in" both times.

Heck, Porunga, the most difficult of these characters to draw, looks great. 1 Odpowiedzi

Quickly, tell Pan, and she can rage like her father and fry some broccoli.

Why is Supreme Kai drawn so badly? Every body else is drawn fine, but same as last page, Kai looks awful 1 Odpowiedzi

Just call it a power-bottom, he'll do it.

So powerful, Geetz.

Salagir is lurking these comments, til he finds yours, and then vigorously scribbling notes.

color really accentuates this page! Colorless looked q little like pajama pants lol

Poor Gohan, never gets a happy life.

I'm counting on you goten_kun

All the art on the page looks fine, except Supreme Kai. Someone else must have drawn him.

I still don't understand the point of Janemba at all. He didn't do anything at all, and the author confirmed in the first reply that he is destroyed.



No, no no, he's just excited to see everyone else back. (I love this)

Eh, they could have come up with any reason, like a meal, ending fights for the day, since it's unfair to allow one fighter to be rested while the other just came out of a fight.

Awards are cute, but it's disappointing to see more awards day after day.

Maybe the audience awards are gonna pick on us lol 3 Odpowiedzi

It was the silliest power-scaling jump.

The power scaling made much of the arc unenjoyable.

Plus, they should have just use Future Goku's body from Heaven. Would have been so dark and awesome to see Frieza-tier Z fighters fight someone on at least Majin Buu's level.

They're saying that if it killed Buuly, who would be some degree stronger than Broly, then it should have killed Broly.

It's, so far, a dark ending, and that's cool, it just played story-gymnastics to get here

And frankly, it never made sense that "this wasn't the original story, and was rushed,"

If DBM made him change it, surely they would have given ample time to do so.

Silly question... Should this be considered canon, or filler? Because Vegito did walk off towards the apartments just before this started. 1 Odpowiedzi

oooo, Maybe this is why Vegeta snaps. He tried his hardest against invasion #2

this is a joke :) 1 Odpowiedzi

It's not canon to multiverse, but some side-comics canonize it, or parts of it, for their own fun.

good news, Gogeta healed between pages 1 Odpowiedzi

While that is a terrible reason, that's been the implication all along.

Character assassination for a switcheroo. Neither is a good choice.

okay, absorbing Broly is definitely the worst idea.

If it works, you're super invincible and evil.

If it doesn't work, you're very likely destroyed.

Absorb Gogeta. For multiple reasons (his power, his safety.

Using Buu to bind Broly could be good, or cover his fists to soften the blows

seeing calm Bra next to Colors' 287 where Bra is raging is a cool contrast.

Happy accident

https://w...colors-287.html

the thing is, it doesn't matter how long they stay fused because we have no idea how long they've been fused.

It could be four minutes, it could be 29:30.

Other than specifically telling us, there's no way to infer that. Even like the sky changing doesn't accurately show time.

Absorbing is still better from a story angle. The armor is only as strong as Buu is. Absorbed, they'd both gain the strength of the other.

And there's no reason to spit him out until the fight is over.

Even once he defuses, they can better protect him, and Buu would still have the strength of the individuals.

I admire the adaptation of using Buu as armor, but absorption would be better, for all of them, especially when Gogeta defuses.

So the next step should have been Gogeta saying "Finish it, Buu", and pink goo covers the rest of him.

The tile matches the paneling.

Gast is so ridiculously hax lol.

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He probably did absorb some of Gast's power. He probably needs to digest it.

I wish we had a closeup

the ice we skate is gettin pretty thin... 1 Odpowiedzi

I love that the multiverse ending bad guy feels compelled to follow a rule. 1 Odpowiedzi

Vegeta isn't in Buu. 1 Odpowiedzi

Forfeit should have been the last word on the page, but greattt page.

There can't be a Goku vs XXI. Goku has no chance, nobody but Zen would, and I doubt he'd win, even with his moderator powers.

Uub exists, but he can't legitimately be as strong as Zen who, again, would struggle against XXI.

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XXI must not be immune to the Birds' machine, and unable to interfere with it like Zen. Otherwise, there's no reason he didn't act much sooner, at least by the time Zen was sent home.

Perhaps this, but also just story.

If Superman punched everyone as hard as he can, there'd rarely be a story to tell.

Not only that, but Buu has essentially auto refill on stamina. You either take him out in one shot or he comes back.

The attack that can destroy Buu may have a more lasting effect on his stamina, but it doesn't seem that way.

He took on every fighter in the tournament without breaking a sweat.

Sure, that's Zen Buu, but Z-era Buu shrugged off lots of heavy attacks.

Goku is screwed if Gast wins. He has no chance against either of them.

I hope not.

The best reason for Vegito to snap was everyone turning on him after Bra. No other reason presented is remotely justified.

To have him be a crybaby over losing many rounds ago is complete character destruction.

With bra, he's right. She'll be the most powerful person in the universe. Gotenks and Gohan can't stop her now, they'll never stop her if she turns as an adult.

So, he overcomes Gast, punches Bra, Gohan attacks, and Vegito knocks him the heck out, maybe breaks his neck.

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Maybe XXI majinizes him, the magic boost from Gast enabling him to do so, but that isn't him snapping, that's just him losing.

okay, "Vegito, can you hear me?" was cute.

So this is an extension of canon-U20. They acknowledged they did the absorption last time.

Buu absorbing Gogeta was expected here, but both fighters fused and then Buu disappeared for a dozen pages.

Gogeta should be able to defeat Broly, but it's Broly, you want to give it your everything.

SS3 IT-elbow to the neck, anyone?

It's crazy how characters just disappear from the action.

Gogeta should, at least, be charging one ginormous attack.

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Broly's infinite growth means he wouldn't be destroyed by his own attack, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't be hurt.