Why wasn't Eleim in the last panel replaced with Phipsil? She's basically the MC of that universe and it would've been consistent with later pages.

Comic-P was saying: Maybe, but I see it the other way. She assumed he'd win. She never said she thought he'd lose. But that there was no point watching when she knew the outcome. She sounds like a pretty lousy commander if she apparently doesn’t care about anything at all, to the point where she can’t even be bothered to watch a battle between aliens trying to conquer Earth and her own soldiers. What could she possibly have had better to do that made her leave in the middle of the fight?

Now I wonder if there's more. There's definitely a possibility of Buu, but what about other Z Fighters? Do you think Gohan would be there?

Comic-P was saying: King Piccolo strikes
Imagine if his face was actually Daimao's though. Wasted opportunity, but I understand why.

Comic-P was saying: Your nickel was saying: Come to think of it, shouldn't the other universes be worried about the same thing? We saw that the carbonite planet exists in U3. So it's likely most of these universes need saving, not just U19
I could see the wish at the end of tournament to remove the Carbonite from all universe.
That sounds like way too much for a single dragon, especially if there are infinite universes. Even "all 20 universes participating in this tournament" is already a stretch imo

Come to think of it, shouldn't the other universes be worried about the same thing? We saw that the carbonite planet exists in U3. So it's likely most of these universes need saving, not just U19

The timeline isn't really that hard to piece together.

So, if the commander assumed his fight was a failure, what if she already created a new clone? That would be interesting.

ZenBuu was saying: SSJ2 Your Nick was saying: The black senzu can't control Vegetto when he's concious, but who knows what it can do when he's frozen.
The black senzu bean doesn't control Vegetto. Salagir already confirmed that on the Q&A twitch stream.Hopefully there's a legit explanation for "evil Vegetto" then, but I'm guesing "evil Vegetto" is just gonna be a big subversion in the end, that there might be a brief skirmish between him and Gogeta and that the whole thing will be worked out in maybe one chapter.
Comic-P was saying: LMAO was saying: Yeah... That was weak.

1.No deaths
2.No Vegeta really won in the end
3.No character with a actual plot connection to that Vegeta to solved the fight

Well, too bad I guess... onto the next chapter.

A version of his daughter won the fight. Vegeta lost the fight protecting a legacy of the Saiyans. Then the next Generation, a version of his legacy saved him. U18 very much won in that sense. Nobody out there would save u13 Vegeta.Show, don't tell. If that's the actual explanation, it ought to demonstrated in the story as opposed to the reader's speculation. Maybe some dialogue between U13 Vegeta and U18 Vegeta highlighting this before Bra show up and some camraderie between Bra and U18 Vegeta afterwards.

Yeah... That was weak.

1.No deaths
2.No Vegeta really won in the end
3.No character with a actual plot connection to that Vegeta to solved the fight

Well, too bad I guess... onto the next chapter.

How old is Bardock here? shouldn't he be like 80 years old or something like that?

ok so freeza force is here, super sayians are known on earth, i cant think a theory for the life of me, I'm wondering what this universe/timeline is about, but the mystery is keeping me hooked as well

So the previous clones went Super Saiyan and what happened to them? Faced opponents worse than Frieza's army? Or fell apart like Rei clones? Hmm.

Am I to assume this and Vegeta Tales are different sides of the same story...? Cuz this page connects them in my mind

I assume the clone is made of Goku, it's a world where Red Ribon Army won, beat Goku and created his clones instead of cyborgs

Oh yeah, because I am sure you got some spare Saiyans to turn into Cyborgs.

Or perhaps, she already knows the outcome and thus, not at all worried.

I'm pretty sure in the novel Vegetto immediately memorized the new fusion dance steps during the U18 Gotenks vs U4 Zen Buu fight and took his U16 Goten and Trunks to their apartment and taught them the steps.
U16 Trunks should already know this given the novel is canon, right?

So is he down to half strength or is he 1.5 times stronger?

The idea that Goku always has a picture of his family in his gi is something beautiful I hadn't considered before now...

My only complaint about this fan manga is the lack of Bulma from any universe, even thou she's not a fighter she's one of the main characters and she always have something to aport, she could have interacted with both Vargas and the Ultras about their tech.

Paradise Lost was saying: Considering in every universe but in universe 5 the Kaioshins win, I assume they were more than ready to take on XXI in traditional combat. How the Kaioshin loses to XXI in Universe 5 is yet to be seen.
That just raises questions. Why would a Kaioshin succeed when even Gast failed? There is no way that even the strongest Kaioshin could make Gast break a sweat, let alone beat him. There must be some trick that the Kaioshins pull that allows them to beat XXI, some magic or something that even Gast can't do. This chapter has just started, so I don't expect it to be explained immediately, but probably before the chapter ends.

Wuh? Goku was naked when he was sent to Earth tho.

I swear to god if that's Buu, this guy attracts battles more than Goku. He's an actual magnet.

It's too soon! And even from the writing standpoint it's a bad choice to just jump straight back into another enemy.

Wonderful, gives strong DragonBall vibes, especially reminds me about Man-Wolf vs Jackie Chun :D

Who's kid is bulma holding?

Bug...squashed.

King Kindred was saying: They're not fighting together. They're facing two different opponents. This is a continuation of Page 11.
And since the enemy could sense his energy, that means the Wolfman is not an Android.

Füchsin was saying: Iam kinda feeling for Gero here. It's strange to see that that bitter old crock actually was happy once
Well, he was evil, but a family man. Had a wife, and a son. And then Goku took it all away.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Nice.

I don't mind the fan service here at all with 21 being dbm canon. I wonder what her retconned back story will be. not going to have the db fighterz powers of course, or the split personality clone, or the candy beam probably.

but geros wife? sure.

I guess this is the android bulma spoke of earlier when she said they beat one technically.
iron leaf was saying: To be honest, I don't like Android 21.
I have a certain aversion to DBM doing this. The idea that Gero had a wife sounds logical, of course. And maybe DBM simply incorporated the fact that Gero had a wife named Vomi. And if nothing else was taken over except that Vomi was also a scientist, then that's fine with me. The whole plot of FighterZ is much more fan fiction to me than actual fan fiction.
Vomi isn't only Fighterz canon. The same design appeared in DBS Super Hero movie. And also in the DBZ Kakarot game.

BobCros was saying: Plot twist it's Oolong or Puar
Or Thorn doing some illusion magic. Can he though?

how come the literal aliens know what "normal humans" are like?

I'm still a little perplexed by the rules the author is going by. Vegeta is stiff as a board and characters don't collapse to the ground, so their physical forms are timestopped, not just their mental faculties. But if that's the case, Piccolo shouldn't be able to move more than his head, and his brain should starve for oxygen with no blood flow.

so is this stronger or the same as Goku's? it was made with 2 hands vs 1

Sorry, what? When did this happen? Vegito was about to get killed by one of the Androids before everything went down. I don't think this quite fits with what we saw before. Also, "He hit me so hard my stomach exploded" is a not so great bit a dialogue. How about, "He blew me to pieces." instead? That'd sound a little more natural.

I hope this isn't Nasu being petulant but it's absurd that he hasn't done anything. It's an existential crisis. His pride is going to get his mother killed. We have to hope there's a logical reason for this.

Also, this would have been a great time for Krillin to reemerge because the Taiyoken would really come in handy right about now.

Whatever you guys tried to do with mobile scaling, please undo it. The comic is stretched and it doesn't look good at all.

Good Grief guys. I know you guys are very much into comics but several comics at once while starting a new one this is starting to get absurd and pretty cool. Just make sure that you guys do not burn yourselves out while doing this. But I'm all for it.

Wait... isn't she just buu? It's just buu training him and transformed into the girl? Do people seem to forget that?

d be a real shame if every single follow-up beam just happened to miss, though.
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58 years is crazy. Why would Buu make her that strong?

Oh, aight
So we just gonna learn the spirit bomb but not the kaioken?
Im happy with this, just kinda like
Bro. You think they'd learn about the technique

How powerful is this chick?

Why doesn't he regenerate? He regerated instantly when fighting k janemba

Honestly, I don’t really like the logic you gave to the technique, GotenKun, but I’ll give you credit for at least not ignoring it like Toriyama always did. That move was always an option, yet conveniently forgotten. Against Cell or Buu, Piccolo, Roshi or Krillin never even brought it up. So I’ll give you that — you found a way to include it and still make it ineffective.

So just 2 beam blasts at the same time? Not saying it won't be effective, but I assume its not the best attack they can do.

I cant wait to see his interaction with Cell.

On another note, Ginyu/Cold is the only real fighter of value in U8. Frieza & Coola are fodder at this point.

Daiko was saying: Igyzone was saying: That attack only bruised Nappa, but back then it was one handed and Tien was heavily exhausted. This Tri-beam should now be comparable to the one that held off Semi-perfect Cell.Even though they have had more time than it took between the original Saiyan invasion and the actual Cell Saga, I think the author is going for an approach where he's assuming that their brief time with King Kai helped their fundamentals in training over their years. I doubt any of the humans are a real threat, otherwise the Saiyans would have been curbstomped effortlessly.

1 year between Radditz and the Saiyan Saga, a month or two-ish for Goku to recover and do the events on Namek, 1 year for the Namek Dragon Balls to make all their wishes, roughly a year for Goku to return after that, 3 more years for Android Saga prep. They've had about almost 4 extra years than canon Tien did to get strong enough to hold back Semi-Perfect Cell. This would put them roughly halfway between the end of the Cell Saga and the Buu Saga. The only real difference here is that canon Tien had a few months to train with King Kai.

Comic-P was saying: Maybe, that was also a Tien who had trained on Kaio's planet. Sure the whole ginyu force scene was silly, but it still made him a lot stronger.That was filler.

That attack only bruised Nappa, but back then it was one handed and Tien was heavily exhausted. This Tri-beam should now be comparable to the one that held off Semi-perfect Cell.

Ok, so whoever wrote this just saw that one panel with Cell, didn't understand it or the character and thought Goku gives up easily?

Seriously, this whole thing is painfully stupid and out of character

Goku's first response to hearing about Buu and Frieza was "I wanna fight them
His first time meeting Beerus he immediately asked to spar
When hearing he died without getting to fight the androids His first response was regretting a different version of him didn't get to fight

Heck, even with Cell, he planned from the start to let Gohan do it and knew he had no chance but he still fought first anyway

Simply put, Goku would NEVER give up without trying and if its "friendly" setting he'll definitely try fighting the stronger opponent just to see how well he measures up (it is completely in character for him to even challenge Vegetto to a spar just to see how well he'd do)

So yeah, either this is XXI's wish (which shouldn't be possible unless that dragon is actually stronger then Goku) or someone here really has no clue about Goku's character to ever write something this out of character

So the original idea was that XXI would hypnotize Goku into forfeiting? He can do that?

We still need an official explanation why he is older than videl, not just about height but age, videl is at best 10 or 11, and this gohan is prolly looking older than his 11 yrs old age

I do bet on hyperbolic machine but it's not yet confirmed

It's been 14 years and we still don't know how Goku and Cell Jr become friends

I am curious what actually made Bardock unlock SSJ. Even Hanasia's death barely fazed him

No way mafuba woudl work in such big power difference

I forgot to ask. Do the androids just not happen in this universe since Goku is dead?

I always knew he was the champ!

zero logic was saying: Yall think Frieza saga Frieza would die to a nuclear bomb???

Can we be sure that it killed or even harmed the android?

There's nothing to say that they couldn't have used the nameless namekians ship to go to namak. Like after the Saiyan saga.

That's one special that I was actually looking foward, the last part felt like it was cut short.
Waiting to see how different this Universe's Cell is gonna be.

Where's super Saiyan Vegeta?!

Great artwork.
I really don’t understand the power scaling here tho. Gast himself killed King Cold who is supposed to be around Android 17 and 18 level stated by Piccolo. So it makes no sense for him to struggle with these androids who should be weaker than 17 and 18 due to them being absorption models. He killed Cold 6 years before this special so it makes no sense for his power to still be stagnant if Dbm tournament is to go by he should be experincing a steady increase in every every couple of years, so by now Gast should be Cell Games or early Buu SSJ2 Goku lv.

Krillen is alive but? Interesting... I know I'm a bit behind on some stuff, but how would the androids know of Piccolo, when Piccolo wasn't revived by the namekian dragon balls? The only ones of the whole crew that was alive at the time of namek being attacked and all the the namekians fusing together were Krillen, Goku and Gohan. The rest were dead. But where is Vageta? I don't recall him dying, just being captured and pretty much imprisoned. Like I said, I'm a bit behind @_@;;

I wonder if he can read their minds, this will show a sad fate but we will get a great feeling from geros army losing, my curiosity is, will gero be a good ruler of earth with his vengence satisfied? I doubt hes just mindlessly murdering humanity like Future 17,18, cell, buu, also i just remembered if Dr Hedo is geros grandson then did gero have more then 1 son or is the son 16 is modeled after have Hedo and died soon after? These small things are thing i like knowing for some reason, ocd and all that, same thing with genealogy