ZenBuu was saying: Shabby was saying: I love that the multiverse ending bad guy feels compelled to follow a rule.
I think that just shows how much he wants a wish from Porunga, when he has finally won the tournament. Whatever this wish might be, because he seemingly has his own set of DBs. His dragon surely must be nerfed in some way.

Also just a reminder, guys. Do not forget the title of the chapter. They are giving away awards between the semi finals and the finale. So no rampage (yet)! :D
I feel like the whole "vegetto rampage" is just a red herring that won't actually take that much to resolve. For once, organizers can just send him home like they did with Buu.

I'm pretty certain Salagir will have Goku take the win, but I wonder if he's going to actually have them both pass out at the same time and issue a poll to have us, the readers, choose who the winner will be (of course, we won't know the results until 2, maybe 3, specials in between).
This would only work if XXI will easily kick their butt in the final, though.
Anyways, just what it seems likely to happen.

Hector Fenwick was saying:
So in that universe, all of us would be in jail?


I am curious about how one would do Tax Evasion, lol.

Oh right right! Krillin and Roshi are bad role models because Roshi is a pedophile and Krillin is his accom-Vegeta killed children!!!



And not only that! he bragged and taunted the namekians about it!



And yet, a lot of fans still view him as role model. If he gets a pass for this, then so does Krillin and Roshi. The standers are already this low, being a pervert is normal in Dragon ball. xD

Man. I hoped for a change that Vegeta wins this time

...Seriously, someone need to tell Trunks that his father that he's so proud of has killed way more people than both of #18 & #17 combined! xD

As a of matter of fact, #18 & #17 have less body count than U11 & U13 for sure.

I'm usually not firmly in the "Bra sucks" camp, but her calmly analyzing things is putting her more and more firmly into Mary Sue territory for me.

It feels out of character for her to not only recover so well from the guilt over slaughtering her friends and family (and pan's well-timed shade), but also to calmly analyze. It's not something a teen should be able to do, especially an impulsive one. She's not seasoned enough a fighter to mentally & emotionally adjust to the hits she's taken and calmly focus on the fight in front of her, imo.

Now more than ever, we need Gast to drop life lessons while he finds a way to win. Wrap up Bra's arc nicely and have someone who can actually do something against the mysterious bad.

Also, can we talk about Pan's power versus Bra's? Trunks and Goten were able to turn SSJ really young with little training because their daddies were lowly SSJ1. Bra is almighty because he daddy was fused. Why does having a MYSTIC daddy mean so little? Plus, her mom was leagues stronger than the other moms.

This is hardly DB drawing.. :(

ComboFreak was saying: Calling it now, you read it here first (sort of).

Someone commented that Zen Buu is stuck in his universe, and due to the peculiarities of how Varga universal travel works, he can't technically make it back to the tournament. But, he can travel within his own universes parallels, and absorb many more beings AND CREATE OTHER UNIVERSES WHERE A TOURNAMENT WORTHY FIGHTER MAY BE FOUND.

Here's my call. Ik'l, the unborn fighter, is actually an incarnation of Zen Buu, his way of getting back into the tournament. If true, I'm going to theorize that Zen Buu didn't realize this because either he didn't bother to investigate the baby, or there is some sort of magic cloaking the baby Buu, making it seem like something else.

Because think about it. If this is true, the two same-but-different Buus wouldn't be able to resist trying to absorb the other and gain that much more power.

If somebody else thought of this first, well then shit, you beat me to it.

Also, I'm probably wrong here, but I'm still calling it....
U15 is a "future" universe (Page 700). If Buu is to travel back in time to create U15, he has to somehow prevent the arrival of Future Trunks in the new timeline he create to make it "future".

Rockhard was saying: Nice they addressed this at least. I guess Buu won't make it back until the main story ends.
would it? can't he travel to right when he was sent away?

Not really. The assessment of the Varga is quite simple and non ambiguous. It was a way for the author to tell us that nobody can master the technology of traveling across dimensions.

Bulma is a great scientist but there always someone better.

Only the beings of universe 1 can travel. The time machine build by Bulma travel across time.

Nope only the beings from universe 1 can travel across the universes (the Varga said it two pages before).

Buu is kinda fucked. And it's for the best, an omnipotent character is so boring in a story with stakes (even if in DBM they're almost non existent).

If you look at page 1922 you will see it actually was very recently.

Your second sentence eliminates the condition I have given in mine, that is - Buu is too arrogant to do that. We simply have different outlook on him.

I wonder why the Vargas did not use this back-up machine during the majin rebelion.

Didn't you read the beginning of this chapter? He said he won't be using any magic now.

That's what a smart person would do, but Buu is rather too arrogant, he never considered the Vargas to be a serious threat.

Kerosinelamp was saying:
Mass produced food is something we have since 19th century, yet the cooking still exists.

even when millions of audiences waiting for the meal there?

Is the text messed up for anyone else?

Rockhard was saying: kiobruh was saying: There are 3 types of infinities as far as I'm concerned. The infinity of scale, for example, if you're dealing with numbers like 10 or 100,000,000 then something like 6.22*10^128 would effectively be infinite, but it's not. You can calculate that number and you know it's finite, but if you had 1 grain of sand of that number then you would have more earth-sized planets than there is stuff in the universe. The second type of infinity is dimensional. The common example would be a 2d plane that stretches on forever, but if it were to be taken to a 3d universe it would basically not exist. Or if you create a cube out of the vertices of a cube, take that and repeat it in a fractile pattern connected edge to edge forever. This shape is infinite and in 3d space, but by this definition, it would have no mass or volume with an infinite surface area. The 3rd type is just true infinity. All options, no matter how irrational, this thing must not be a thing and is instead infinite, all dimensions, all possibilities, all measures, any conceivable way to make it not infinite must bend to its definition.

I say this because these 3 types actually apply to a lot of things, but importantly; things that are invincible. If Broly is currently the first type then all you have to do is overpower him or trick his power with an exploit or even better hax. If it's the second option then once you outclass him you'll instantly kill him. It's like Jenga or a house of cards, these structures work well vertically but if you poke them from the side then they fall apart. The 3rd option is obvious and might just be what the writer wants to say right now, but it's the worst option of the 3. It's like the classic omniscience card, can God create something so heavy that not even God can lift it and as true infinity says, it is yes. How does that not contradict god being omniscient, it doesn't because omniscience allows god to literally do anything.

This includes lifting a thing made so heavy by god that not even God could lift it, but god just lifted it. Is Broly invincible enough to survive anti-invincibility? Can there be a thing so piercing or destructive that it can break through true invincibility? What happens when an immovable object and an unstoppable force collide? Probably nothing, but wouldn't it look cool!
It seems like your 2nd and 3rd types are both just different ways to describe an uncountable infinity.

You should watch Vsauce's video on infinity. None countable infinities are weird and almost become like the countable infinity and the finite numbers because of how you make them infinite. This is until you make a truly infinite number and then you do it all again.

Also, the 3rd type and the 2nd type are basically the same things, yes, but the 2nd type is a constructible infinity. The 3rd type is an irrational infinity.

There are 3 types of infinities as far as I'm concerned. The infinity of scale, for example, if you're dealing with numbers like 10 or 100,000,000 then something like 6.22*10^128 would effectively be infinite, but it's not. You can calculate that number and you know it's finite, but if you had 1 grain of sand of that number then you would have more earth-sized planets than there is stuff in the universe. The second type of infinity is dimensional. The common example would be a 2d plane that stretches on forever, but if it were to be taken to a 3d universe it would basically not exist. Or if you create a cube out of the vertices of a cube, take that and repeat it in a fractile pattern connected edge to edge forever. This shape is infinite and in 3d space, but by this definition, it would have no mass or volume with an infinite surface area. The 3rd type is just true infinity. All options, no matter how irrational, this thing must not be a thing and is instead infinite, all dimensions, all possibilities, all measures, any conceivable way to make it not infinite must bend to its definition.

I say this because these 3 types actually apply to a lot of things, but importantly; things that are invincible. If Broly is currently the first type then all you have to do is overpower him or trick his power with an exploit or even better hax. If it's the second option then once you outclass him you'll instantly kill him. It's like Jenga or a house of cards, these structures work well vertically but if you poke them from the side then they fall apart. The 3rd option is obvious and might just be what the writer wants to say right now, but it's the worst option of the 3. It's like the classic omniscience card, can God create something so heavy that not even God can lift it and as true infinity says, it is yes. How does that not contradict god being omniscient, it doesn't because omniscience allows god to literally do anything.

This includes lifting a thing made so heavy by god that not even God could lift it, but god just lifted it. Is Broly invincible enough to survive anti-invincibility? Can there be a thing so piercing or destructive that it can break through true invincibility? What happens when an immovable object and an unstoppable force collide? Probably nothing, but wouldn't it look cool!

It's absolutely ridiculous how so many commenters here hate on Bra for every reason under the hood, and yet most of you would say you love Vegeta as a character immensely. They're the same personality type, but Vegeta actively enjoyed killing people for decades. The fact that none of you are screaming for Vegeta to pay for the thousands/millions of people he's killed shows you don't actually care about Bra's sins. You just want to feel justified in hating her.

UMW was saying: Hercule was saying:
OTOH, Vegeta actually did brush off the lesson he could have learned by Goku achieving SSJ.

And then proceeded to get curb stomped by Android 18... Humiliated by Cell, One up'd by Goku again as well as Goku's son and his own. So, yeah...

That aside, he didn't just "brush it off". He learned a lesson, just the wrong one.(Or at least his interpretation of it was wrong) You're failing to acknowledge the changes Vegeta underwent along his journey in his arc. Each time Vegeta was literally hit with a harsh dose of reality, he evolved.

How has Bra evolved? She's been stagnant.

Hercule was saying:
She has been raised by Vegetto to believe her purpose in life is to protect the innocent. But he has also made her purpose to be as strong as possible (to give him a good fight). She can't control SSJ2, so she has "contradictory thoughts" about which purpose she is supposed to fulfill.

Yes, we've seen that Vegito hopes this for Bra. I'm assuming he's told this to her but I admit, I don't remember that being stated by him directly to her in the comic. Again, I'm sure it has, I just can't remember and hopefully someone will point it out to me.

But regardless, how does Vegito's desire for a good fight correlate with her lack of morality and inability to control her powers. We JUST now got a glimpse in "strict daddy Vegito" and it was plot convenience fluff. Have we seen him treat her harshly through training? Push her too far? Pressure her?


Hercule was saying:
If any one line really got through to her, it was Gohan saying Badibi was the stron.

You're only highlighting my point here.


EDIT: as for reserving judgement until the end... Why? I mean understand from an extent, somethings in life won't ale sense until you see it through to the end. But this comic has gone on for 10 years. Do you expect people to wait another 10 to pass judgements on whether they like it or not?

Anyone suggests these judgements are premature is being disingenuous. It's been 10 years.

I and others have at least offered possibilities that this situation with Bra can be improved. But as it stands, what we have seen, what we currently are seeing of her character and what it likely spells out for her character moving forward... Isn't promising. We've followed her story arc, we've received "word of God" from Salagir.... We have enough evidence to pass judgements at this point.


Edit: at BEST Bra is a character with an arc that started to progress way too late, and therefore will have minimal pay off.

What was the point of Ginyu stealing her body? Bra didn't learn anything, she was asleep. She was also back in her own body 2 minutes later.
Ginyu didn't learn anything, he's back in Cold's body.

You can write out Ginyu being Cold and it wouldn't make a difference.

So her back story is "famous dad. Mentally unstable."

So yeah, not really all that in depth.

...It worked?!

Or are repeating this scenario?

It depends. Does it need to succeed to count? Cause they used teamwork against Nappa but it didn't really work.