I am interested in the 'illness' part.
In Universe 7 Goku didn't go to Namek. Is there other explanation for the Heart Virus in DBM?

Jinemba? Really? Me thinks XXI is using old baddies like Raichi did.

I guess next when Jinemba is defeated XXI will summon Dr. Wheelo

Umm, Goten and Trunks were both only SSJ level and they fused to create a fighter stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Makes no sense that two SSJ2-level fighters (assuming Mystic Raditz is SSJ2-level) wouldn't somehow just freaking pulverize SSJ3 Vegeta of U13. Like that shouldn't be a close fight in Kakaditz's favor.

Also, Buuhan being weaker than base Vegetto is unproven. In fact, I would argue Buuhan is stronger than base Vegetto by like a couple times over if anything (also unproven mind you so it could be either) but SSJ puts Vegetto so far past Buuhan that he gets completely clowned. Same way Goku fought against Frieza at 2% in his base but then got wrecked by Frieza at 50% and had to become a Super Saiyan to actually then win against Frieza. In the anime Buuhan didn't seem to take Vegetto that seriously in his base form (even though Vegetto was definitely putting up a fight in his base). I'd put Vegetto's base somewhere between U18 SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Vegeta (DBM, not Buu Saga) and Mystic Gohan but not higher. I think putting Vegetto's base at Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku like I originally thought might be too low given how much Vegetto toyed with Buuhan in SSJ.

I am gonna make some assumptions how strong this Kakaditz is.

Base Kakaditz = SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
SSJ Kakaditz = between Buuhan and SSJ vegito (closer to SSJ Vegito then Buuhan)
SSJ2 Kakaditz = Stronger then SSJ2 Bra, weaker then SSJ2 Vegito.

So, my guess is that in order to try and save the universe, all the strongest fighters from Heaven & Hell will envoke the 'One day' rule, and join forces to bring down this almost invincible behemoth of a Saiyan? I really wanna be hyped, and I kinda am, I always love seeing what kinda shit the heroes can cobble together to try and take him down. But my hype gets soured since Broly's mostly invincible against everything. He's tanked attacks from well beyond SSJ3 level characters, even with his weaker variants.
My issue with the Rogeru manga was that they didn't take the chapter seriously, and Broly's ridiculous invincibility was dialed up to 1,000 as he tanked attacks that even his stronger future self would've been injured by (SSJ Vegito level).

Broly has so much potential as a character, especially if he takes inspiration from other characters like the Hulk. My hope's that this manga can inject him with just a little character, and not make him invincible against everything thrown at him. If that happens, this manga can shine as something truly great! If not... Well it's Broly so it'll still be pretty good

Is it me or Ikl enjoys being punished?

kiobruh was saying: WukongTheMighty was saying: kiobruh was saying: PrinceOfTheHood was saying: Cyborgs, Guys

Cyborgs. NO MACHINES like Androids.

OH boy cell!!! The one the only, the BIO Android!

I hope they don't forget about him being the exact same kind of android as 17 and 18, but built from scratch.

I don't think it has anything to do with being an android, and more to do with not being possible to sense.
Cell = can be sensed.
Heliotes = presumably can be sensed
Gast = can obviously be sensed
Basically, everyone with Ki that can be sensed seems to have been frozen in place by the ability, however, as 17, 18, Yamcha and 16 all have impossible to sense energy, I'k'l's ability could not consider them 'alive' and thus could not take effect on them. It's still a bit of a strange ability that in mind, but mechanically, it's quite sound. Of course, this also means that the ability ALSO would have even worked on Fat Buu and Zen Buu, as well as Uub, because they can all be sensed.
Not that I'k'l would have much of a hope of killing Buu considering they simply lack the means to do so.

I like this reasoning, but in story there is no evidence that the kio's can be sensed. Literally every time goku had teleported to a kio it was because a mortal character like the monkey and bug on king kai's planet or gohan on the supreme kai's world. The only exception would be when goku teleported to the supreme kai's world after earth exploded, but at that time elder kai was there and he's fused with a mortal being. The other explanation for why goku could teleport to the supreme kai's world is actually just him remembering where it was, as in the buu saga and the cell saga goku remembers where namik should be.
What... are you talking about? Do you know what Ki is? It's the energy of a character. What on earth are you talking about???

kiobruh was saying: PrinceOfTheHood was saying: Cyborgs, Guys

Cyborgs. NO MACHINES like Androids.

OH boy cell!!! The one the only, the BIO Android!

I hope they don't forget about him being the exact same kind of android as 17 and 18, but built from scratch.

I don't think it has anything to do with being an android, and more to do with not being possible to sense.
Cell = can be sensed.
Heliotes = presumably can be sensed
Gast = can obviously be sensed
Basically, everyone with Ki that can be sensed seems to have been frozen in place by the ability, however, as 17, 18, Yamcha and 16 all have impossible to sense energy, I'k'l's ability could not consider them 'alive' and thus could not take effect on them. It's still a bit of a strange ability that in mind, but mechanically, it's quite sound. Of course, this also means that the ability ALSO would have even worked on Fat Buu and Zen Buu, as well as Uub, because they can all be sensed.
Not that I'k'l would have much of a hope of killing Buu considering they simply lack the means to do so.

Cyborgs, Guys

Cyborgs. NO MACHINES like Androids.

Lol at people comparing this I’K’L to perfect Cell. Semi perfect Cell heavily damaged 16 with just a random ki blast. If perfect Cell gave the same punch as I’K’L did, I can guarantee you that 16’s head would fly to the space, never to be seen again.

At most I’K’L is between imperfect and semi perfect Cell, but not anymore then that.

Rest in peace Vegito, I dunno what you did for such a hate boner from Salagir. But he can’t hurt anymore…. T-T

It seems like every android is immune to magic given how XXI needed the remote to win against 18 and the vision with Yamcha.

Polar about to regret going there alone. Not counting his army of weaklings, ofc. His brother Cold should've gone with him. Or his father. Or both.

If his father knew enough to tell Polar to arrive in his original form, he should've known enough to come along too. But pride is always the Frost Demon's downfall.

kiobruh was saying: Darklordcomp was saying: newhinhin was saying: I think i've seen this picture somewhere, but i can't remember where

It's Goku and Vegeta right before they body the MCU

.

bro you know hulk alone solo's goku and vegeta. He's literally immortal and unkillable as long as he's angry and god exists, also he can punch so hard he can blow up a plant via nuclear fusion/fission(without aiming at the planet) and his presence alone can begin destroying the reality he's in if he gets angry enough. Plus he can forcefully absorb radiation and energy sources that generation forms of gamma radiation.

I wanted to say all that because marvel has a handful of charcaters either more powerful than him or with a better kit for a fight against goku and vegeta.

He said MCU, as in the marvel cinematic universe, not marvel comics itself, they'd be higher Tier combatants in the comics for sure but not top of the top. MCU they'd dominate.

As for Hulk himself, it's debatable how well they'd do against him, they'd probably lose considering how many extremely bizarre hulk stories have come out recently, albeit none of the feats you've mentioned seem unreachable for DB Super Goku/Vegeta. Writers discretion I suppose.

newhinhin was saying: I think i've seen this picture somewhere, but i can't remember where

It's Goku and Vegeta right before they body the MCU

.

The little touch of Vegetto's thought baloons being less round is such a subtle, creepy, foreshadowing detail.
For whom who has never noticed: good characters have round baloons, both for thoughts and dialogues, while evil characters have baloons with sharp corners. Looks at this page, the first two thirds, for examples.
And Vegetto is more and more on the edge between the two.

Just a parody.

Actually the goal of these pages is to show a "turning point" (Gohan catching the potala) which was not done in DBM. It also shows how everything it too easy and perfect there. This group in the tournament would be boring.

We always had fights in which characters show their best in their best form and their best attacks. But rarely do we see characters absolutely exhausted and barely able to stay on their feet, actually fighting to the very last blow. I like how that absolutely fits Goku & Vegeta. They would never think of using a trick to knock out or even kill the other in this state of their relationship/rivalry. Merely testing out who can last longer. I hope this continues for several more pages.

How did the stone not break to atoms when Vegeta kicked it? Bad writing...

kkk was saying: So it wasn't "they tried to teleport to each other but they don't emit energy so they teleported to the energy ball instead"

p4ran0id was saying: newhinhin was saying: How does it make sense, position wise?
They teleported while aiming each other, right?
V = Vegeta, G = Goku, LE = Left Energy Ball, RE = Right Energy Ball

— ---V
LE--------RE
— ---G

Let's assume they both teleported to the Right Energy Ball, what the f were Vegeta aiming at? In the first picture, they both aiming at each other at the perfect angle, so if we base on my earlier assumption, If Vegeta didn't know where Goku would teleport to, Vegeta would punch the ball towards the audience, but if he knew Goku would teleport at the same direction as he would send the energy ball to, then he wouldn't make the mistake.


LE-----V-RE-G


They had same idea, to punch the energy ball to the other. So only 2 options left

1. They end up behind same ball
2. They end up on different

2nd happen and they pushed it to the enemy before realising that both did same
That's not what OP is questioning. They are saying they shouldn't end up in opposite sides of the ball.

I agree with that, as I said in the French comments.



Vegeta's initial position was the blue point in the centre, so in order to send the energy ball towards Goku from the front he had to go to the right or left blue point.
And Goku is on the opposite side of Vegeta from the energy ball, so he's throwing his kick from one of the red points. I really don't understand where he was going to send the ball from such an angle, but it wasn't in Vegeta's direction.

The drawings are really gorgeous, but I'm having trouble with the actions that take place in this chapter.

Many moons ago, some friends and I wrote a "What If" comic based around Piccolo being left behind in the HBTC when Buu & Gotenks power their way out. Trapped there, Piccolo has no choice but to wander the endless expanse and endure ever-worsening conditions and spirit/delusion fights. It takes weeks for Popo to fix the HBTC gate- decades within the HBTC. When the gate finally opens, Piccolo is revealed to have developed all kinds of wild powers and a body that is virtually indestructible.

Something like that happening with Uub here would be swell.

Makes me wonder if that everything that is going on outside was just a diversion so buu could have more time to train uub in here

WukongTheMighty was saying: Oh wow, what a surprise, it was Majin Punisher.

A what? Just a normal everyday Ki Blast.

I like the wiki description - " The technique was so powerful that it completely vaporized Buu's lower part of his body, leaving nothing but his torso in tact."

Really... it does exactly what every other Ki Blast used on Buu does lmao https://youtu.be/Hwj7CdWfnQY?t=84

This is not new or groundbreaking! Buu can just tank anything and not give a damn about it.

I think I see where the flashback (if they still occur) comes into play.

So Buu splits his power and makes each clone about the same strength as the opponent he is facing.

So Buu will tell Bejitto that even if he wanted to give Bejitto a fair, full-powered fight he can't because his power is split. Bejitto asks him if what he said is true (about Gast and being able to resuscitate him), and Buu approves. Bejitto then fights Gohan to set an example, and tells them to stop fighting Buu so he can have a fair fight, and if they won't, he'll "murder everyone if he has to".

Then the most powerful fight commences.

What's up with this "constantly attacking from behind" all the time?

AsianPersuasion0 was saying: Gyurci was saying: Kami's power level is 220 according to a list of power levels from Weekly Jump #31, 1989.
Mr. Popo have a power level of 1030.
power levels are bullshit. I'm pretty sure popo was weaker than kami, but got buffed up so that it would make sense for all the z-fighters to train under him. they would've started in the 100-200s, then reached around 1kish after their year long training.

power levels from the actual series aren't actually bullshit and are pretty consistent. now those guides are just clearly wrong as we can assume popo is weaker then kami whoes weaker then goku whose weaker than raditz. not to mention how ox kings power level was like 900 which is clearly not true as hes probably much weaker then master roshi whose all the way back at 130... goku and piccolo were both around 400 so assuming kami is a bit weaker we could be generous and give him 350 radits still being atlest over 1200 and probably closer to 1500 (this raditz is younger but probably still 1000+) so kami may have a slight chance if he can land a big special move but very unlikely

Raditz the badass!!! Returning the favor with one hit KO!!!

Also, here's the old versions of page 2001 to 2005 if anyone interested in seeing them:

A lot of people are continuing to weigh power-levels over everything; disregarding techniques, skill-level, fighting abilities and years of training in whatever type of martial arts the character of source happens to be. Yes, Saiyans are born and bred to fight and have the advantage of their planet's gravity, so their own agility/movement/speed would be vastly superior. I mean, at this point, most certainly Tao is not going to be able to fight these Saiyans head on.

But Saiyans also have the constant trait of underestimating their opponents and never really expecting a challenge, at least that's my perspective. It's not any sort of fact or providable evidence I can show, it's just some trait that I feel these Saiyans and a lot of others would have, and cockiness always leads to carelessness. But again; he's surrounded.

However, Assassins also always tend have some tricks up their sleeves... I can somewhat imagine either a use of an after-image, some form of aid from his OWN underlings (Tien/Chiaotzu maybe?). I can Tien making doubles of himself, though obviously his power-level would be HEAVILY decreased... they do have the use of Solar Flare along with Chiaotzu's rather chaotic-classic-Toriyama techniques. But again, it seems like Tao came alone in the manner of which he mentioned the contract... buuuut at the same time, the contract could be for his entire school, so his students could also be at his side, waiting to strike.

That's why I think it can always go either way, power-levels be damned. I mean, you have to take into consideration... the personality of children (yes, born to fight.. but) plus a Saiyan's own personality traits (again, my opinion of underestimating opponents) leads to cockiness. And in the opening, that's kinda the vibe I got from this crew which is probably why Raditz is sort of the charge of the group. Saiyans... well actually, now that I think about it, this is a different universe of Saiyans entirely. I mean, yes, they're doing the same thing in the same sort of way; taking over planets, blah blah blah, but the manner of which... and the training preparation prior to being SENT to the planets... those are all behind the scenes and could be different entirely.

Gah, it's making my head spin. And yes, I'm still taking their obviously much higher power-levels and life-experience in higher gravity into consideration. It's just... I can see them being easily fooled by after-images, despite being vastly more fast than their opponents (and can probably see a huge argument ensue from the comment section; Saiyans should be able to keep up with that sort of speed vs. technique shock value presentation plus opponent underestimation). Also, while it's three against one here... are these Saiyans going to group up against a single human? Or are they just going to have a rock-paper-scissor contest to see who fights the guy that just took one of their own out?

I should really check out the novels more so I can get a better understanding of this universe's Saiyans or go back to their particular specials to replenish my memory a bit more because overall, my head just goes "Yea, agree with the crowd; Power-Level > Earthlings, easy-peasy but then suddenly Saiyans underestimate opponents; enemies underestimating opponents? I'm sorry, that's a classic story trope." So it's back and forth. All up to what the Earthlings can actually do to survive, let alone put up a fight.

If they grouped up and they don't have the type of personality traits that I ranted above, then I'm totally with the crowd on this. If they don't and they laugh off their partner's death or chalk it up to letting their guard down, then it's a classic story trope...

Pulling out my beard-hairs on this one everyone. Yes, they should be stronger, faster and vastly superior, but years of fighting experience in a particularly tricky and assassin-y field (Tao's age vs. kid Saiyans), bratty kids overestimating their powers just because their stronger... it's a classic story trope... CLASSIC!!! AHHHHHHH!!!!! It's triggering my inner writer!!!!!

UltraExtream was saying: Raditz Power Level 1500+
Krillin: 300
Yamcha: 250
Muten Roshi: 500

These guys are toast!

The underling saiyans are probably 500 to 800.
Sorry, but all wrong. Raditz was at 1200 in 761 in the other universes. This is 752, so way before. He may have trained more than in other universes after the Saiyans took over, but he's still not very old.

Roshi was 139, also in 761. Being old but immortal, he's probably still at the same power level. Although he can probably rise his power when he makes an attack, like the other Z-fighter. Since Goku goes from 334 to 924 by doing so, Roshi is probably able to go at about 2-3x his basic power level.
Again, this is 752. There is no way Kulilin and Yamcha are that high. And I'm not sure they can do ki attacks yet; Kulilin pulled it out for the first time in 754, during the 22nd Tournament.

The underlings are probably lower than that too. Raditz at 125 was considered weak and Gohan at 710 extremenly high. They're probably around 200-300. Strong for the humans, but not impossible to defeat with a good strategy.

Stevethebarbarian was saying: Buu probably would have eaten Broly if no one stopped him, but I don’t think he ever really cared about it, and he wasn’t ever actually mad that the U16 gang stopped him from doing so. He was just pretending to be angry for a moment to fuck with them, or at least that’s my interpretation of Page 278.

As far as I’m concerned, the only time Buu actually lost his cool was after Vegito, his favourite (or perhaps second-favourite after Uub) competitor got eliminated without a fight. Even then, he may not have actually been mad, and was perhaps just faking his tantrum to test to see who could stop him, or if he could pull off his parallel tournament idea back then.

Personally, I really don’t think Buu is pressed at all, or that he has been at any point so far. Even losing to XXI only seemed like a minor inconvenience.

I think you are mostly right.

if u4 still has a buu in it with this only being part of him, I would think this buu might want unique powers to combat the original, so having brolly would make him able to reign supreme.

just a pet theory of mine. all of buus escapades were about him beating the original buu still in u4.

Vault756 was saying: 0% chance this secondary tournament actually happens which means Buu is about to get shut down. Maybe Gast's spell still works or maybe XXI is going to activate a send back device that Buu hasn't altered. Either way it looks like this is goodbye Buu. You will be missed.

I don’t see your logic. The fact that Buu just explained the tournament rules right down to the bracket situation when he had no IC reason to explain that obviously means that he’s explaining it to the readers, not the characters. Almost everyone still in the tournament is here for fun- their only important motivations are erasing the carbonite Helior in u19, resurrecting Gast’s race, and XXI’s mystery wish. Vegeta is here to fight Goku, Uub,, Vegetto, and the soon-to-be resurrected Cell are here to fight strong opponents, Gast would be happy to fight for Buu’s amusement if that improves his odds of having his people resurrected, and XXI will probably just bounce after winning the primary tournament.

The only ones with a vested interest in NOT having the new tournament are the kais, who have zero power in this this situation.

The new tournament, aside from being in a the interest of the characters, is also in the interest of Salagir and the readers, who want to write/read cool fights, whereas if the tournament continued as-is, it’d be over in in-character seconds for each match other than Goku vs Vegeta. Furthermore, the final decision of the U1 Kais is to end the entire tournament right now, which is absolutely not an option in or out of character.

It seems to me entirely reasonable for both the current tournament and Buu’s tournament to continue as planned.

An incredible plot twist. Fantastic stuff. A parallel tournament, now this one is cancelled.

Is anyone excited for what happens next? Who could have seen this coming?

I love this page so much! This definitely has potential to be great!

"Well yes… Your machine, he controls that too."

Yet another reason to punch you in the face for freeing him!

Then maybe it's a good time to get rid of him while he's sealed

bigdeano89 was saying: Umm, folk are forgetting how Buus pod works; it needs to be given energy to release, so if that dial is moving, someone is secretly powering it up so Buu can escape from it.

We have no clue how the seal works. Kid Buu is too stupid to know how to fuel the cocoon and so is Fat Buu. Zen Buu is not only smart enough to realize how the seal works, but has enough power to force it to open.

Ummm... This is taking a weird turn...

"we started communicating by telepathy."

Okay... good for you? That's still doesn't justify what you did though....

Pretty bold of everyone to assume Buu is actually defeated like this. The guy has been absorbing MILLIONS at this point; scientists, artists, warriors, and one should assume magicians. There is no way he would just assume nobody could ever seal him away again, or that the knowledge was lost entirely.

I think he's still there and just pretending to be sealed. He might have fused a part of him on Uub when he came to visit. We already know Buu doesnt need the Dragonballs, and he hasn't been very impressed with most fighters either. So far all we've seen him do is troll around, and... be surprised by the power of XXI. I wouldnt be surprised if he's laying low JUST to spy on XXI some more.

so the Vargas have technology to travel across universes, build a stadium for millions of audiences, control the gravity and set a barrier which can block Vegeto and Broly's blast
but still need to manually cook, even for millions of audiences??

No! Bujin is dead! :( No harem for him! I must say I'm disappointed. After that little build for him, I hoped it will gone somewhere other than him dying like that. :\

Goku: He doesn’t have a body you know. He’s going into the purification machine.

Vegeta: Damn it!!

Lol! Sorry a**hole, no revea-Wait! Hold on a second! Why do you have a body and Why aren't you in hell?!!

This would never have happened to the true Bojack

Isn’t it supposed to be “injustices”?

Not gonna lie, I think it's always been kinda dumb that the Kais would not only forbid the Vargas from inter-universe travel, but also prevent them from doing anything but a single tournament with it. It's an infinite multiverse, why can't this tech be used to better universes that are say, ruled & terrorized by despots like the Galaxy Warriors or the Frost Demons? Or at the very least, hold more tournaments and allow free travel for non-villianous characters.

Once again a new special starts. But this time it's something really special. Berrizo is pretty well known in the DBM community for his notorious art style in the first U6 chapter. I hope it stays respectful in the comments throughout the chapter. For those who can't control themselves from making disparaging comments about the art, I recommend skipping the special altogether and returning to the beginning of the next main chapter.

Tulot_Trouble was saying: bigshady680 was saying: lmfao what a fucking god, a ton of people predicted it too, good on them.

"wait you cant just make Vegeta stronger than a character stronger than Mystic Gohan"

"haha SSJ3 go brrrrrr"


This doesn't mean vegeta > Gohan or cell. It means Vegeta got a ""cheap"" shot by deliberately hiding the fact he had ssj3 and using info given to him by gohan about Cell's core that got him the win. Cell wasn't ready for a sudden tier jump and his guard was down.

Multiverse canon is that saiyan base forms peaked in the buu saga (Or at least they can't get much stronger in base) and that no normal saiyan surpassed namek saga frieza's 100% in base form. (Save fusions, Broly, offspring of fusions, and magical intervention aka gohan)

So every saiyan's base form (save for goten/trunks/pan) are roughly equal. It comes down to forms to determine the power. There is no canon multiplier for mystic, but it's clearly far above ssj3 (400x base) as shown how gohan clobbered super buu until he gohaned it up halfway through the fight.

SO in order for vegeta to be stronger than gohan his base would have to be at least double his, which would contradict canon unless they changed it.

Idk, but since kakarotto had 500x multiplier and vegeta still won, vegeta would least be 5x stronger than kakarotto.
Assuming kakarotto had cell saga goku strength, (he went ssj2 with majin) I assume it's just that it's easier/faster to reach new form over having same multiplier from training base form power level.

30 years of training gave 5x+ power boost in base, but goku only spent 7 years to get 4x power boost just from transformation. His base power level should be way higher than cell saga on top of 4x transformation too.

So like if vegeta couldnt/not strong enough to reach ssj3, (same power level as buu saga) ssj2 vegeta would be weaker than ssj3 prince vegeta. But this wouldn't be the case possibly if vegeta is already strong enough to easily reach ssj3 and possibly can go to the next level.

It is harder to compare with super buu and mystic gohan for power level, (since goku didnt really directly fight them in canon) but full powered ssj3 goku did well against vegeta absorbed super buu in special, so possibly their power levels arent too spread out.

But anyway, I feel goku already surpassed gohan in term of power level, (least 2x more power level as base form compared to buu saga) but as vegeta said, ssj3 drains energy too quickly anyway so gohan is probably still stronger if ssj3 is goku's limit.

Absolutely based! Vegeta most badass, protective father in the world!

The limit of Multiverse's SSJ3. Goku in base can't beat Freeza. He need a SSJ. Which means his SSJ3 should be below Mystic Gohan, which is where Cell is. Vegeta is at the same level.

@Arnim Zola @XarKhaan @kiobruh
عمار is right. Salagir has stated that SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3, Mystic and so on, are not multipliers in DBM. They are levels. That is the truth. He said so both in comments here and also on twitch. I don't like this, personally, this is a dumb idea and Salagir is writing himself into a corner here. IIRC, he also said that there is a reason why Vegeta surpassed his strength that is yet to be revealed, but like I said, it's gonna be some cheap plot device.