I don't think the movie Cooler care about whatever King Cold was thinking or the Frieza's territory.

The Vegeta Tale is connected to DBS, so Cooler should worry more about how Beerus would think.

The story should end soon.

But I would like a Cooler tale or resurrection of Cooler in the future

It was quite clear actually since sayazur didn’t respond to any comments last page, most people should have aware of this after I pointed it out. 1 תגובה/תגובות

That’s why I said in the end, Sayazur is playing both Cooler and us.

Vegeta is acting so Cooler believes he can win instead of teleporting away.

This is Namek Saga Vegeta, who plays smart. 1 תגובה/תגובות

We saw that Super Saiyan actually drained Gohan when he first transformed in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

It makes sense that poor ki control would lead to rapid fatigue if you aren't used to the form yet.

Goku's ability to maintain it so well on Namek was likely due to his superior mastery over ki control.

Still, it's pretty weird for Vegeta to burn out this quickly considering he just ate a Senzu bean.

Or maybe Vegeta’s just acting to keep Cooler from escaping with Instant Transmission? Could this have been your plan all along, @sayazur? I start to feel like it. 1 תגובה/תגובות

So Vegeta has another senzu? LOL

I mean... Goku lasted longer on Namek, Vegeta is shorter than Goku in every aspect?

So Namekians had another set of Dragon Balls before Porunga?

Also, if the creator of the Dragon Balls is gone, shouldn't they have turned back into stone?

What happened to the established rules? This is starting to feel a lot like GT. 5 תגובה/תגובות

Dirty Fireworks

Slug has to know Vegeta has the upper hand here.

If he kills Cooler first, Vegeta will definitely kill him, right?

Cooler should honestly just escape while he can.

Both Goku Black and Cell explicitly credited their massive power increases after healing and near-death experiences directly to their Saiyan cells.

Regarding the first Cooler movie, Goku experienced a massive jump in power. Goku went from getting one-shot by Cooler's eye beam and struggling against the Armored Squadron, to being completely unfazed by Salza's attacks and actually holding his own even taking advantage against base Cooler in his base. That was a clear Zenkai boost.

Furthermore, the Zenkai boost has never been a stable or constant multiplier. If it always guaranteed a huge jump in power, the Saiyans would have overthrown Frieza long before Planet Vegeta was destroyed. A small increase, like 10%, is still a Zenkai, but it simply isn't noticeable or useful when the power gap between you and your opponent is enormous.

Finally, we still don't know the exact mechanics behind the boost. It is highly possible that it only triggers effectively when the fighter's body can sense and recognize the opponent's power level. Since the Androids do not possess sensible ki, that could easily explain why Future Gohan and Trunks didn't get those massive boosts against them. Especially Gohan's losing arm balanced the increase while Trunks was far to weak to make the zenkai even a factor.

It actually works in Super for Goku black, which is canon for "Vegeta Tales."

Even in Z, we saw it work for Cell, and it worked for Goku in the first Cooler movie.

The main reason we didn't see many near-death Zenkai boosts after Namek is simply because the fighters were usually just knocked out or exhausted, rather than truly near death.

Besides, we never got a clear explanation of how the Zenkai boost multiplier is even calculated. 1 תגובה/תגובות

It took SSJ2 Vegeta 2 hit to finish an Android 16 level King Cold? The first punch should be able to crush Cold's head.

SSJ2 Kid Gohan can one shot Cell Jr. pretty easily. 3 תגובה/תגובות

Oh, no!!! The Yamacha in Bojack Gang! 1 תגובה/תגובות

Evenly matched fights rarely start with beam attacks, unless it's GT.

Come on, Slug! Bring up the Dragon Balls so Cooler actually has a reason to visit Earth (like that's ever gonna happen).

Wait until Vegeta and Cooler obliterate his entire army, along with Slug himself!

Combat rule #1: Do not share information with your enemy

Actually, Cooler can just teleport away without telling Vegeta anything.

The villains always died because they talked too much.

And there are some better ways to achieve it.

Like what I said, being dropped into a pool of Turles’a spirit fruit to save Vegeta is better than this. The Turles storyline shouldn’t have been wasted.

Even you set a goal of “main characters have to win”, there’s a logical path and there’s a illogical path.

Cooler's hit in the last page should already kill Vegeta. Considering Vegeta was in a severely weakened stage while DE-transformed and a hole in his chest.

Goku and Raditz with the same injure cannot even move a finger and dead quickly. And if someone at their peak level hit them again? Immediate death.

But... the story needs Vegeta to be alive. We call it a correction of timeline by author, lol.

The story might make more sense by Vegeta was dropped into a secret pool of Fruit of the Tree of Might hidden by Turles. So the liquid of the fruit heal and boost Vegeta even further.

How does Vegeta survive this in base while severely injured?

Let’s say even Vegeta do have a senzu in his glove, how hard should a senzu bean be to not get crushed in a fight like this? 2 תגובה/תגובות

Like the Barbarians gonna listen 1 תגובה/תגובות

So Vegeta has a senzu bean in his glove? Or Cooler is stupid enough to put him into a healing tank?

I always feel the "hiding senzu beans in glove" as a impossible strategy, under their level of fighting, the beans would be reduced to dust with any light vibration.

Although the SSJ transformation did give Vegeta a lot of confidence at the beginning of Android Saga, He didn't believe SSJ is invincible.

He played strategies against Android 19 & 20, use words to terrify Dr.Gero away so he can take a senzu bean.

You really mixed Cooler with Frieza, Cooler literally just teleported away from Vegeta's attack.

In this story, Cooler knows that King Cold was hiding more power than him, he knows the existence of Gods (Probably Beerus) and he also knows Frieza had more potential than him.

Sure, Cooler is still self-centred emperor, but he doesn't have that "you must die on my hands" or "I could never lose to a monkey" kind of mentality since both his father and brother just died against one.

Like Goku IT away with Tien and Piccolo against semi-perfect Cell so he can fight Cell after the training in the time chamber? Or he IT away with Vegeta against Broly in DBS Broly movie? 1 תגובה/תגובות

Vegeta’s definitely got this considering his ego at the beginning of the Android Saga.

It makes me wonder, though—if Cooler knows he’s outclassed, why doesn't he just teleport to another planet and live&train to fight another day? 2 תגובה/תגובות

Because the myth of Super Saiyan is "the most powerful entity in the universe," nobody knows how strong a Super Saiyan would actually be.

The initial expectation for Frieza's training was to increase his first form's power beyond 1 million, so Frieza himself doesn't know the true extent of his potential.

Your analysis is pure hindsight bias: using the reader's perspective from later chapters (over 30 years later) to criticize a character's decision from several arcs earlier. 2 תגובה/תגובות

How did Polar die? Mentioned in Novel? 2 תגובה/תגובות

You are both wrong, check the colored manga, Goku always has his kaioken aura against Frieza when he attack or dodge. He just turn it off in between. https://i.imgur.com/uZog787.png https://i.imgur.com/4b6MN7c.png

And Goku's kaioken X2 has its aura while show his 180,000 power level to Ginyu.

And yes, Cooler Movie Goku's base power after the zenkai has surpass 100% Frieza. 1 תגובה/תגובות

And Mask on!

BTW, I wouldn't use the power scaling from the Cooler movie to estimate the multiplier of this transformation.

Because the multiplier in the movie was certainly >> 20 times since Goku's 20x Kaioken Kamehameha made absolutely no effects on Cooler, and their base power was close in that movie.

We cannot let Vegeta die in the Vegeta Tale, can we? 3 תגובה/תגובות

Nah, Ginyu is gonna take U16 Vegetto's body, and Ginyu is a much better actor than U13 Vegetto who would be a maniac. Remember Raditto? Lol

Are we finally gonna witness U18 Gogeta vs U16 Ginyu Vegetto?

Gogeta only need a Cell Jr. as supporter to counter the time freeze. But He do need to try his best to avoid the Cell Jr. get killed. U18 Vegeta's failure here could be a good lesson though.

And for the real U16 Vegetto, I guess he will be killed by Frieza and Cooler in King Cold's injured body.

And why don't they just blow Vegitto into pieces now? That's one of their biggest threat. 1 תגובה/תגובות

Actually, in the Q&A session of the very next page 70, it stated:
“Would the organizers have healed Uub (as they are supposed to, but that's a big wound)?
Hu... good question. They don't have senzu, but the Vargas may have good surgeons. I'd say the Vargas would have sewed the arm back (over a long time in ER) then an organizer Namekian would have healed him.”

So for Namekian to heal a broken arm, you need surgeons to stitch your arm back first then the healing can work.

I don’t think anyone here can stitch Vegeta’s broken arm back, especially the arm kind broken into pieces in page 2638 1 תגובה/תגובות

So the Namekian can heal broken arm? Then why Uub ask for other’s help at the beginning of the tournament?
I thought only senzu or Buu or Gast can regenerate your broken body pieces. 1 תגובה/תגובות

Considering the power gap, shouldn't Nappa be vaporized immediately? Like a fly hit by lightning?

The technique Piccolo used against imperfect Cell. Don’t know its English name. Light Grenade? 1 תגובה/תגובות

Cooler is eager to learn, with his age, he probably has learnt the IT for over a century.

This is reasonable.

U13 Vegeta is really dumb to think this’s gonna work.

Actually, Bra can fire a beam against U13 Vegeta’s beam to completely evaporate him after IT.

U13 Vegeta was even with a Majin Cell Jr. who was at most equal to Majin Vegeta.
So this Vegeta is Buu saga SSJ3 Goku at maximum. DBM’s power scaling is always weird, so we can only assume.

Shouldn't SSJ2 Bra be at least 20x stronger than U13 Vegeta?

Given that her SSJ1 was already rivaling Ultimate Gohan before Majin boost, SSJ2 puts her in a completely different league.

Plus, Vegeta’s SSJ3 stamina is clearly hitting its limit.

With Instant Transmission, she could honestly just teleport and one-shot him before he even reacts. 1 תגובה/תגובות

U13 Vegeta really out here burning all his energy in SSJ3 just to have a chat. Did he learn nothing from the Raichi fight?

If he had two brain cells to rub together, he’d have KO’d Pan and the Namekian and delivered them to XXI the second U18 Vegeta fell.

You two both knew what was referred, but you chose to dodge the main issue.
No point to argue anymore. You are the admins anyway



U13 Vegeta just hit Buu Saga SSJ Goku level yesterday. And 18 Vegeta from 20 years ago has the same base power as current U13 vegeta.

If you cannot see U18 Vegeta’s progress is ahead of U13 vegeta for over 20 years. I have no more words 2 תגובה/תגובות

Maybe the attacking ki can draw someone like the Uub couple here? Or Gast/Vegetto/Cell

This story can twist since Cooler isn’t finished yet. And it kinda makes sense except for Cooler didn’t kill Vegeta when he had the chance and thrown Vegeta on to his capital street. It’s not perfect but acceptable.

U18 Vegeta would need someone like Uub tos save him, and it doesn’t have to be like this if:
1. DBM didn’t set normal saiyan’s limit extremely low.
2. Either Vegeta choose to take the attacks head on.
3. Why TH took Pan with him?

“If you are not a great cooking Chef, how could you say other Chef cook bad?”
“If you are not a great basketball player, how could you say some NBA members are bad?”

Am I twisting your logic here?😉 2 תגובה/תגובות

As Korin said in OG Dragon Ball, you potential grows with your training and body grows. Old Kai can only unlock Gohan's maximum potential at that exact moment. After the potential unlock, as long as Gohan keeps training, his potential along with his power will keep growing.
The Ultra Divine Water was supposed to unlock all your potential, but Goku never stops growing.





"There are people like the story, how could you say the story is bad" LOL

Logically speaking, we can vote on these topics and see how many people like or dislike certain DBM settings, such as capping normal Saiyans at Ultimate Gohan's level or preventing normal Saiyans' base forms from surpassing Frieza, or this fight—which logically makes no sense for either Vegeta to take attacks head-on.

I would agree with "do not jump to a conclusion" if this were an illusion in U13 Vegeta's head, but it's obviously not.

Like I said, I don't even care if Akira Toriyama himself jumped in to save the day—the damage has been done. 1 תגובה/תגובות

Training hard for over 20 years since the Buu saga, and still defeated by a Buu saga SSJ3 Goku-level version of himself.

Since Goku's base power equaled Vegeta's in the Buu saga, and U18 Vegeta should be able to fight with his legs, if U18 Vegeta is twice as strong as U13 Vegeta, he should be able to win with just two legs. So Vegeta couldn't even double his base power with over 20 years of training.

The most hated aspect of DBM is that they cap normal Saiyans' maximum potential extremely low.

I don't even care who jumps in to save the day now. U13 Vegeta should be able to dodge Pan's Kienzan/Destructo Disc. U18 Vegeta should be able to deliver a kill move to his counterpart while U13 Vegeta is blocking Pan's attack and trying to fight back.

It's just bad writing. 5 תגובה/תגובות

Kinda disappointing.

Maybe the creator believe if Cooler transform or meet Big Gete Star, this story would lean to Cooler Tale instead of Vegeta Tale?

Anyway, SSJ Vegeta's first fight should be more epic, like Goku vs Frieza on Namek, Frieza showed his 100% to even the field a bit, so the fight can have an epic ending.

This is just too direct, no twists and too simple. 1 תגובה/תגובות

Wait, this tiny trick can work on someone who are stronger than him?

I knew U18 Vegeta would intercept but I didn't expect the small trick can break his hand like this.

It's still absurd that an entry level SSJ1 can interrupt the SSJ3 level fight.

Can't they just "dodge"? Why take every attack hands on? A SSJ3 has to take an entry level SSJ1's attack is beyond imaginable. 1 תגובה/תגובות

It's fine to say Kienzan can cut someone who are over 100 times stronger than you.

But, the attack shouldn't land in the first place. U13 Vegeta should be able to dodge the Kienzan pretty easily. Under this power gap, Pan's move should look like slow motion in U13 Vegeta's vision.

U13 Vegeta should be at least 100 times stronger than Pan. Why even bother blocking her attack? 1 תגובה/תגובות

If U18 Vegeta cannot finish U13 Vegeta soon, he will have to move as closer to their crowd as possible then teleport.

Time is not on his side.

So Cooler doesn't have his Cooler transformation in this story?

As I was saying, Vegeta should stay in his "normal SSJ" state all the time. Since they already stated it to be their new base. 1 תגובה/תגובות

So can Cooler transform to his 5th form or not?

U13 Vegeta: Why do you need people to love you when you know the person who loves you the most is always yourself?

Seriously, for people living on their ego, the least they care about is how others think of them. 1 תגובה/תגובות

Seriously, why took Pan here? The Namekian is necessary but Pan?

And They were taking about use the "normal SSJ" as new base. But both Goku & Vegeta rarely use it.

Imaging if the U13 Vegeta is hitting them with SSJ3, both Pan and the Namekian would be dead now. And U18 Vegeta is doomed.

I can't understand the stupidity of this tiny team, you can't always count on the author to bail you out. 2 תגובה/תגובות

Why don't Vegeta just stay in his "Normal SSJ" form?

Haven't they said it's their new base now?

Anyway, a SSJ Vegeta rematch with #18 is still fun.

Cooler, it's time to TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND

We knew how DBM set it to be. It just against DB manga's original setting.

In the bonus chapter Trunks the Story, one arm future Gohan literally trained with SSJ teen Trunks in base and had the advantage.

And that one arm Gohan should be much weaker than the SSJ Vegeta who lost to #18.

Considering how far Goku and Vegeta have grown from the beginning of Android Saga. It's just impossible to say their base are still weaker than Namek Frieza.

The problem is whether the Namekian could keep up with the above SSJ1 level fight.

Or U18 Vegeta will have to fight without moving.

It should be safe against Android 18, but against U13 SSJ3 Vegeta would be a lot harder considering the limitation of movement and U18 Vegeta has to protect both Pan & the Namekian as the same time.

Can we talk about your profile image of SSJ3 Gogeta actually looks like SSJ3 Raditz? Considering the super long hair far exceed SSJ3 Gokus'. 1 תגובה/תגובות

He was trying to prove he is the strongest in the universe. No killing intent immediately.

Unlike here against Vegeta, Cooler stated he throw vegeta on the street to kill him, which made no sense.

In movie, Cooler decided to not blow up earth directly to kill Goku because of his pride. Cooler wants to kill Goku with his own hands.

Metal Cooler keeps Vegeta & Goku alive because he wants their energy.

Killing Vegeta right away would be his character considering he immediately deliver a finishing blow after Goku survived his eye beam and fight back.

Cooler never hesitant to deliver the finishing blow with his own hands. 1 תגובה/תגובות

The story could be better if it doesn't OOC Cooler.

The move of choking Vegeta's neck and throwing him onto his capitol street is a extremely out-of-character move.

It could be fixed by Cooler mocking Vegeta to be weaker than Goku during their beam struggle which triggered the further evolution to SSJ.

Imaging Vegeta's pupil came back after hearing Cooler mentioning Goku during beam struggle then his hair turn golden, it would be epic.

Anyway, nice fanfiction so far.

People appreciate the story while having their own opinion or suggestion can coexist. 1 תגובה/תגובות

I still don't understand why Vegeta brings Pan here.

It's a weakness when strong enemy arrives. Most likely U13 Vegeta who isn't that strong, but what if it's someone stronger, like U13 Vegitto? 2 תגובה/תגובות

That’s a good one. With the right incentives—and the threat of consequences—people can be pressured into compliance, including scientists, engineers, and bureaucrats.

And historically, indoctrination, brainwashing and propaganda have repeatedly proven effective.

Why does Vegeta take Pan with him? 1 תגובה/תגובות

? Why would he throw Vegeta onto his capital street?

What's the point of not killing him directly?

Let's be honest: everyone wants their body to stay at the peak of their youth. And Bulma complained about the Saiyans' aging process in DBZ multiple times.

Emmmm, U13 Vegeta's taste on women is a real disgrace for the prince of 3 Saiyans 2 תגובה/תגובות

Ok, forget about math. I get Sayazur’s point. We all heard it, and I agree: “Android doesn’t make sense”, “Golden Frieza doesn’t make sense”, “what is Beast Gohan or SSJ rage Trunks”. People’s power levels depend on author. But the author can rise people’s power level for the story telling purposes doesn’t mean power levels are irrelevant. The manga abandoned scooter because it inconvenient in story telling and cannot detect people’s true hidden power. But it can still be used for fun.

And comparing Cooler with Frieza is even easier. The Goku who almost got one shot by Cooler is already at Frieza’s level. And Goku received another Zenkai during that movie.

To break it down. In Cooler’s first movie. He stated Goku could be the one who defeated Frieza simply because Goku survived one single shot of his eye beam and can fight back. Which means Goku’s base is close to Frieza’s level in the beginning of Movie 5. And Frieza could be one shot to near death by Cooler as well so Cooler could make the judgement.

And during Movie 5,Goku received a noticeable Zenkai, which can be proved by Salza’s exploded scooter which functioning well when Salza fights Goku at the beginning.

And for people who don’t read manga, and believe Saiyan’s base power couldn’t reach Frieza’s level in the Android saga.
ONE ARM future Gohan train with SSJ Trunks in his base. ( yes, Future Trunks achieved SSJ before future Gohan’s death in manga unlike the anime version). And that same future Gohan is most likely weaker than SSJ Vegeta at the beginning of Android saga.

So a reasonable enough estimation based on manga and movie 5.
100% Frieza ≤ teenager SSJ Trunks ≤ 4th form Cooler = Mecan Frieza = Namek SSJ Goku < Base Goku/Vegeta at the beginning of Android saga/base future Gohan with both of his arm(in theory)/Base Goku who received a Zenkai during movie 5 (movie is parallel universe)

And I know people will say Goku cannot transform at his will during movie 5 prove Goku is weaker than Canon. But Don’t forget, SSJ’s multiplier is still, how strong after you transform is totally dependent on your base power. Can or cannot transform at will doesn’t affect your peak power. And the movie editor didn’t know SSJ can be transformed without rage at the time. Just like he didn’t know instant transmission until movie 6, where he gave both Goku and Metal Cooler instant transmission immediately.

So how is the story gonna proceed? Cooler wouldn't just put Vegeta into a healing pod and let him go.
Vegeta doesn't even have a trigger to turns SSJ now, so that is also not an option.

Unless Goku teleports in and saves Vegeta, the mental insult might trigger Vegeta's transformation.

Nah, Vegeta’s base is close to Mecan Frieza now.

Otherwise he would be reduced to dust by Cooler’s “ Hellzone Grenade”.

Don’t forget if Android 17 didn’t activate his shield, he would be severely damaged by Piccolo’s Hellzone Grenade.

If Vegeta wasn’t near Mecan Frieza’s level, by taking the Hellzone Grenade attack alone is a finish of the Vegeta Tale for him.

Goku raised his power level around ten folds during his one week trip to Namek. And Vegeta has been doing that for over a year with starting power level at 2.6m. Even over 100 folds is possible.

Saiyan’s base in android saga are all above Frieza.

In manga, one arm future Gohan used his base to train with a SSJ teenager Trunks. The beginning of android saga Vegeta was much stronger than future Gohan.

We can actually do a math. As estimation.

I do understand the power levels in this manga wouldn't match Daizenshuu guides, but, let's just for fun.

Namek 100% Frieza: 120m
SSJ Goku on Namek: 150m
Mecha Frieza:150m
Vegeta here who think he can face or defeat a Frieza level Threat: 120m-150m
Cooler 4th form or original form which is stated to be stronger than Frieza (which should be the Mecha Frieza Vegeta saw on earth): 160m-180m
False Super Saiyan's multipliers should be between Kaioken x20 to a real SSJ x50: ~x35
False SSJ Vegeta: ~50B
Assuming Cooler isn't get one shot under this state (which he should. considering the power gap)
5th form Cooler (I would give him a x40 multiplier considering he treated Goku's Kaiokenx20 Kamehameha like a shower: 6.8B

So for Vegeta to win, he need to either one shot Cooler or severely damaged Cooler, weaken Cooler to a state that even the 5th form transformation cannot heal. 1 תגובה/תגובות

Is the false/semi SSJ gonna be enough? It didn't last long against Slug. 2 תגובה/תגובות

Imaging if Vegeta and Cooler actually train together till the Android Saga, sad to know the story has to end with Cooler's death to fit the timeline

Vegeta: It's the big green's technique!

Cooler: Nah, he hasn't used it in this timeline yet.

Don't forget that Vegeta witnessed Mecha Frieza's defeat by Trunks, so Vegeta should be comparing Mecha Frieza's power with Cooler.

Logically, this Cooler is stronger than Namek SSJ Goku who should be close to Mecha Frieza. 1 תגובה/תגובות

AND COOLER THAN FRIEZA!!!

Jokes aside, they could be a good sparring partner if they don't have to fight to the death here.

Cooler prefers fighting over ruling, same as Vegeta. 1 תגובה/תגובות

If there is a Namek who work under Cooler, Cooler should know about Dragon Ball on Namek. Then, why didn’t Cooler himself go to Namek to take Dragon Ball? 1 תגובה/תגובות

Raditz's dying scene is always funny.

What can I say, characters in Dragon Ball are ignorant and s...

Like semi perfect cell should not tell SSJ2 Gohan that attacking him would lead to early explosion. Or super perfect cell should use instant Kamehameha like Goku did to him on Gohan instead of having a silly beam struggle.

Goku and Vegeta should not destroy potara earrings even they don't want to use them in the future.

Some actions fit the character, but some are just for the story to move on. In here, we all know Gast is gonna win anyway. So this cell wouldn't blow himself up or do anything meaningful.

Like Mafuba always fails against opponents who are stronger than their user.
Tien and Jackie Chen had much more tricks than kid Goku but still almost lose to kid Goku. And they are completely outclassed by Goku and Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budōkai.
Perfect Cell had much more skills and trick, but still lost to kid Gohan.

I mean... there are countless examples. 1 תגובה/תגובות

Every villain in Dragon Ball tried to blow up the planet when pushed into a corner. Jiren tried to attack the audience in he anime. It's more like they don't want to give up and admit failure.

Even Ultra Ego Vegeta in the Granolah arc tried to do that, but it seemed more like Vegeta wanted Granolah to kill him as the evil Saiyan in Granolah's eyes. 1 תגובה/תגובות

While OG Dragon Ball insists power and strong will can easily overcome techniques or tricks, DBM keeps trying to create new tricks to even or override the power gap.

Sometimes, it just feels cheating. They can win just because the writers give them a broken technique which makes no sense. 1 תגובה/תגובות

This story should feature a "what if" scenario where Cooler and Turles remain neutral and fight alongside the Z Fighters.

At this point, Cooler no longer seems intent on fighting Goku to the death. Recruiting Vegeta and invading Earth again would not be a smart move, as Vegeta's power is insignificant in a Super Saiyan-level battle.

Another plan could involve helping Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan and forming a team, but that would only create another threat to Cooler's throne. I wish the story has a more reasonable direction. 1 תגובה/תגובות

Isn’t this story following Bardock tale and Super’s timeline? So Turles has access to Tree of Might fruit and Cooler might used countless fruit already.

Are Vegeta really gonna face a Cooler who has access to Fruit of the Tree of Might for decades?

With Fruit of the Tree of Might and a slight training, Cooler would be able to turn black by now, lol.

Imaging SSJ1 Vegeta vs Black 5th form Black Cooler, the gap would be fun

Are Vegeta really gonna face a Cooler who has access to Fruit of the Tree of Might for decades?

With Fruit of the Tree of Might and a slight training, Cooler would be able to turn black by now, lol

Japanese does have a lot of text same as traditional mandarin. But they can still wish Gohan back with the dragon balls on Namek. 1 תגובה/תגובות

Goku can just teleport, why fly to their destination?

Cell definitely is gonna give each of strong fighter a mini cell jr. to counter the time freeze. That’s how Goku and Cell jr. becoming friends in Bardock’s vision.

Anju and Uub might save the day in the end.

I don’t think Vegeta never intended to hurt Videl is because of Gohan. It’s simply not his character, even in Cell saga when he was still an asshxxx and had arguments with Tien or Piccolo, he didn’t attack them or transform against them. He just doesn’t like a meaningless fight, by his standards of course.

Obviously Piccolo would turn off the barrier for both of them and remind them being nice to each other in this circumstances, which is in Bardock's vision.

I don't think Vegeta turning SSJ2 for Videl but a react to Bra's sudden jump in power. 1 תגובה/תגובות

No, Vegeta turn SSJ2 because he sensed Bra's action.

Anyway, Videl's "these feelings are a foreign concept for you" is brainless to Vegeta who just lost both of his kids.

And Bra's reckless offensive behaviors are even beyond anime Namek Vegeta level (Anime created a scene where Vegeta attack Gohan after knowing Goku and Frieza could both be dead on Namek, which never exist in manga), even that Vegeta wouldn't attack his important ally during a serious threat.

Don't know why, but U16's Vegitto and Bra reflect the worst side of Saiyan and Namek saga Vegeta without that Vegeta's pride.

The spirit bomb was shot at Vegeta by Krillin in saiyan saga, and Vegeta dodged it then Gohan bounced the bomb back.