I really, REALLY love these Android designs

This specifically references the Light Grenade more than the Mankakosappo 1 Replie(s)

I wanna know what this move is called, cause it looks dope as hell.

Nope. He did the same shit when his Oozaru or Saiyan power decided to show up too.

My guess is this isn't any of that, this is literally just him zoning out entirely.

What in the Vegeta is that kick

Don't know if my reply several pages ago disappeared but the gist of it was, THESE HUMANS HAD ZERO CHANCE. Not even with Gohan there.

They had 0 chance to begin with, and they ABSOLUTELY have ZERO chance now, especially because these Saiyans are a tad bit stronger than the originals Goku fought. 1 Replie(s)

The crashout is crazy

I would like to remind everyone:

NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM MATCH NAPPA'S POWER.

Goku's base power by the time Nappa and gang showed up a YEAR LATER was 8,001. Not even Gohan's worst outburst surpassed this. Goku won on pure endurance and numbers.

The humans have NO chance of victory. Sure, Krillin could try to spam Kienzans but remember, this is a new technique on an Earthing BARELY capable of withstanding Raditz, which is to say it takes a moment to prepare and shoot off. These Saiyans are not only more cohesive (despite how it looks), but have Nasu on their side, Goku's BEEN dead, and Piccolo (and therefore Kami) are all gone too. There is no way for them to gain enough strength to handle a dead-serious Raditz 1-on-1, nevermind that these Saiyans have done MORE combat than original between Raditz's visit and their arrival, and are therefore stronger than their previous levels (Except for Vegeta maybe, since he has rarely faced anyone who could damage him enough to get Zenkai'd anyways, being triple Nappa's original 5k~ power level) and may be anywhere from 2-7k stronger in units than before.

So no, the Humans are NOT winning this. Short of Vegeta deciding to betray Freeza (and we all know how that'll go) none of them can prevent Earth's downfall.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk. 1 Replie(s)

I really do like the tactical side of evil.

It's probably both. This is his version of a Lightspeed 10× Kamehameha and it's glorious

Oh hell naw, this guy's EVIL

God forbid he keep the one thing from his timeline that DIDN'T try to kill him alive

What does IBID mean? 1 Replie(s)

So everyone has conveniently forgot this was the story of how Broly was found alone in space covered in ice and instead has chosen to rail the author for not making an easy win on the side of the Universal defenders.

Of course it "doesn't make sense", it's a story about Dragonball using Z Broly of all people. This isn't your personal comeback story like the days of comics where the fan base picks the ending.

And if you all get mad at me for calling the "critics" idiots, just remember:

The comic fan base, when given the option to allow Tim Drake (Robin, later Red Hood) to be saved by Batman and live, or die to the Joker...

...CHOSE TO HAVE HIM KILLED.

NONE OF YOU ARE ANY DIFFERENT. Get over yourselves or write your own stories. 1 Replie(s)

That image with his hair up looks amazing

Bro what is happening ????

Whoever tf drew Freeza just now, I'm taking your art supplies for the month.

Oh god Son Crashout's gonna lose it

In Super, most Universes (save for like what, 6 of them?) were gonna be erased. No competition, no tournament, nothing. Just "Wow, they're not doing so hot. Oh well, time to go!" <erased>

Conclusion: Earth is NOT safe.

[Bonus: End of Z] Buu would eventually be reborn anyways. It's only a question of whether Buu absorbs Broly in time or not, and either way, Earth gets destroyed - either Buu finds it first, or the Buu struggling to contain the power starts to destroy the Universe itself, taking Earth with it. Alternatively, Gero, who may still yet be Androiding himself (albeit with VASTLY different results, as it's only a matter of time until someone finds Goku's corpse) may see fit to take over the planet since no one can really stop him. It won't prevent anything I've said before, but trust me, Gero is VERY much in play here. Alternatively, Turles may arrive and drain the planet of its power for his Tree and just dip, or Slug appears and does whatever the hell he planned to do to Earth (I never saw the actual movie, only TFS's version), or Wheelo comes out of the ice and makes his moves and eventually creates a new body for himself to do...whatever afterwards. Alternatively, again, Garlic Jr. may also descend and enslave the planet using that Black Mist of his. The worst of all of these is the other Tuffle who would birth Hachiyack which won't happen because he'll simply take the souls of those vengeful spirits, and despite Earth being such a backwater planet he won't really find too many of those, nevermind ones who may be of use, except for MAYBE Piccolo-Daimyo and Kami, but by the time he finds Earth they may just be in the Otherworld and Hell respectively Hachiyack won't be born because none of them can threaten him enough to MAKE him be born. Hoi, who would want to release Hirudegarn, would only really stop to either hide from someone or ravage Earth with Hirudegarn. In any scenario, Earth is NOT safe.

[Super] Zeno just erases it and other Universes. No questions. No Zamasu, no Beerus, no Freeza, no Broly (either Broly).

[GT] Safe until Buu appears, because no one is gonna climb the tower in time, and at worst, if they get past Popo somehow and find the hidden Black Star balls, they won't recover them in time to prevent the annihilation of the Universe to Minus Energy. That, or Dr. Myuu finds the planet and decides to base himself there for shits and giggles. Note that Baby was created using King Tsurufu's DNA, TECHNICALLY making him a prince, or a king, if you can get past the fact that he's literally a living metal blob at this point with no real enemies. Even if he was born, nothing would be done to prevent Earth from being a second Tuffle World, and because Baby never found a Saiyan body, he'd likely inhabit human bodies, until he got to Roshi or the Crane School Teacher. There'd be no Super Baby.

Certain things won't happen, too:

The Nameks won't be hunted for their Dragon Balls, at least not immediately, once they are discovered by Freeza. Only if Zarbon and Dodoria manage to squeeze the information from a Namek do they find out about the Dragon Balls, but by now, it would be too late - I suspect that Guru would be dead and the replacement won't have the power or knowledge of the Dragon Balls to make them work. Ultimately, they'll all be killed and the planet sold for farmland. I'm not certain whether Ginyu and his men perish from heart attacks (I heard somewhere they were dealing with Yardrat before Namek) but they won't even be needed.

The Kais won't get involved until Broly does his thing. But if they go the route of killing him the second they get to, or toss him into a sun or black hole before he can get too strong, nothing else is really done. Once Broly is out, they won't really care about anything else.

Bojack stays sealed. Yeah.

Gero will still likely create 17 and 18. They won't be incredibly powerful, but they WILL be disobedient likely, assuming he rushes things. But more likely, he won't, and they'll be just as obedient as 19 is. I can imagine them wearing his fit now, and honestly, I kinda like it. Wish I could draw it though. Hell, I might even try to. But my point is, he'll likely mass-produce Androids at some point. Red Ribbon (under his rule) will be reborn and will be Earth's rulers until it is destroyed.

When Beerus wakes up from his nap (late as hell btw), his dream will still take effect - Goku not reaching that stage doesn't mean Beerus's dream goes away for some reason - so when he DOES find Earth, he'll likely erase it anyways. Something will cause him to, and I can guarantee 40% of that will be Bulma's fault. End of story there until his Universe's eventual erasure.

That's about it really.

Earth won't be noticed by anyone for any real reason, and once it is noticed, they will NOT like what's to come. Earth will be, at best, enslaved, and at worst, non-existent, assuming Humanity doesn't somehow kill themselves off beforehand.

"Sokko Maho, MULTIPLY!!"

"I'LL KILL THEM!!!"

Never change, dragonball.

I wish someone would animate this (probably DevilArtemis) so TeamFourStar can do the voicing for all of this. 1 Replie(s)

Wtf did the Pokémon do?! ????

Yeah, you right.

#28's design is REALLY cool though, I wanna see more androids from these artists. 2 Replie(s)

Oh I LOVE THIS.

"Give it time..."

That's wild that he even tried XD

Silent Magician :D

I wasn't expecting him to tank it tbh

This is like 600 times more beautiful than any media could make it

Though, if OPM studio did this move with the slow sparkles before the extremely fast slashing, it'd match this image wonderfully

Welp Toad is dead 1 Replie(s)

He caught him off-guard because Broly's never had anyone hit him with it. That's why it "worked", it's because he's never been through that before.

It's also the reason why he broke out so easily - remember, Super Saiyan Goku could also break out of it. It isn't that it bypasses one's power, it was literally out of nowhere. But, Broly being a Saiyan and all, adapts incredibly quickly.

This is the coolest use of Ikari Form ever tbh

THEORY TIME!!!!

In the past, technology isn't as advanced for the Saiyans as now.

Therefore, I believe they could have made use of either an orbiting body around their planet (remember, they have a moon, but how many I don't know) and hit it with a ki blast meant to purposely shine bright and it's light meant to scatter like natural moonlight. It would dissipate and diffuse in the atmosphere on its way down and act as natural moonlight, causing the transformation.

Hate me for this, but I loved this. It's pretty cool to see Elder Kaioshin using his age and experiences to try to solve this issue.

Definitely a dope thing to see he isn't just some pervy old man.

Say what you want, that's a smart way of showing he isn't on the level of Saiyans past. 1 Replie(s)

Should've sung the US Grand Tour theme for DBGT 1 Replie(s)

where is his EYE

Bruh

Justified beat down incoming.

Would love to see how old Saiyans fight.

Shallot! :D

I disagree about humans giving up when facing a superior power, that might be many or even most but not all and I don't think that's the reason for Gohan losing hope neither persay (though it is a large contributing factor since he can't stop the Cyborgs as he is).[/quote]

I did indeed mean generally. Humans aren't all unstoppable willpower and determination - many of us would rather avoid having to take or lose a life to make any real difference.

Of course, there are humans who would give their lives to make someone smile. But the ratio is too great to be calculated. Too many zeroes.

But generally, isn't everyone like this at some point?

>Goku accepted his death against Vegeta, even if it meant his world would perish. He was just so strong. (Before Gohan and Krillin hopped in)

>Against Freeza, Vegeta just...gave up. Several times, actually. Hell, Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, all of them had given up.

>Even Goku had given up some times in his life, least of all against Beerus.

Everyone of the cast has given up against impossible odds. The only difference is, they had something to fight for.

Humans are like this too. Without something to fight for, or something depending on us, we can't win once we're outmatched. But give us humans a real reason, someone that depends on us, or something to fight for - humans become borderline unstoppable, even unkillable at times. History proves this, even if/when we die, we still fight. Sometimes maybe we'll even win.

But mostly, we'd give up. We're Human. Life is precious to a lot of us. And if we see no way to survive, what are we to do? We're not all Captain America. We don't all have crazy strength or willpower.

That was my point. And it still stands here.

Gohan has nothing to fight for, no strength to change fate and no way to save anyone. He just can't win. It's understandable he'd give up so easily, especially considering HE NEVER WANTED THIS FIGHT.

People never liked Gohan. They just wanted that "Kill 'em all" fight. They don't want him happy. And they never will.

I feel like everyone forgets so much about Gohan because all they see is the image they made up in their heads off of like 3 moments they liked and NOTHING ELSE.

Gohan was NEVER a fighter.

Gohan NEVER enjoyed fighting.

Gohan was ALWAYS terrified of violence when he was younger.

Gohan was USUALLY fairly quick to give up.

Gohan was NEVER going to be as good as Goku, nor as stubborn as Vegeta, nor as mentally sound as Piccolo, nor as patient as Roshi, nor as determined as Trunks would later be forced to be.

GOHAN. IS NOT. A SAIYAN. He is a Saiyan HYBRID of a Human.

Humans give up when facing a superior power. Hell, humans will do ANYTHING to live, even if it means hiding and living like trash.

But Humans will even fight on if it's meaningless, for no other reason than because they HAD to.

Gohan isn't this "I'll save the world!" Superman-esqe being y'all made up. He's just a scared child trying to make sense of a world full of violence he never wanted nor can do anything about. He doesn't have Goku's drive nor Vegeta's pride. He doesn't have Chichi's fury nor does he have her determination.

The reason Gohan fought for so long is literally ONLY BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE COULD. The human side of him won't let Trunks and Bulma try to handle things while he leaves to train - and this means fighting as hard for as long as possible and hoping he can one day defeat them before they kill everyone. He doesn't have Piccolo, Roshi, Vegeta, Krillin, Goku or even Yamcha or Tien to guide and help him. He has no one, no way to see the future and no way to win.

Do you wanna know why he fought in the past?

When he flipped out against Raditz, all he wanted was to help his dad so he could go home from this scary situation. He had his dad with him and seeing him hurt broke his temper so bad it caused his power to explode for the first time.

When he fought against the Saiyans, he knew Goku would arrive some time that day. For him, all he had to do was help buy time for Goku to come back - he never once intended to fight Nappa and Vegeta, nevermind the Saibamen that sprouted up unexpectedly. All of those losses hurt him pretty badly, and his snapping at Nappa was just a childish outburst, expected when the only "family" you've had for nearly a year, your friends and father's friends are falling left and right. He had Goku to rely on for hope - if he stayed long enough, his dad would come, and all would be well again. That was his hope.

When he fought on Namek, he only did so because he saw a way to help his dad and bring back those who had died. I'm gonna break down the Namek time because it's actually pretty cool but still nothing like Gohan's true self:

>Against the aliens (Freeza Force), he wanted to slip by, get the Dragon Balls, wish everyone back, and leave. No intention of Red Ribbon-ing the Freeza Force, because eventually, his dad would come.

>Against Dodoria, who could stand idly by and let some innocent child be slain again? Remember, he's still a child - but he's also Human. Familial bonds are very strong with Humans. You yourself wouldn't let some bully attack a child while you could stop it, right? In this case, this one was all Gohan - though what followed was pretty standard for Gohan. I don't think he could've won against Dodoria (at that time) - though I could honestly be wrong. Regardless, the aim is the same - stall for time, get the Dragonballs, resurrect everyone, wait for daddy.

>Against the Ginyu Force, he KNEW Goku was on his way. Things happened too fast, so Gohan of course had to fight. His thinking was that if he somehow survived here, his dad would come, everyone would come back and all would be well. Here we see Gohan's own personal pride come out for the first time, though to be brutally honest even this isn't Gohan's will to fight here, moreso a will to stand against everything going against him. He's still part human, very stubborn, and his friend and Vegeta are down. (To be honest, that was a little too close. I think this is where the Saiyaman would eventually be born from.) Also, seeing his dad's body being stolen and losing his shit, yeah, THAT one was pure Gohan. Please don't steal his dad's body - Gohan is a terrified child, but he's also a terified Saiyan child with lots of repressed trauma. You can't afford that bill.

>Against Freeza himself, well, this again stems from his hope in his father. Hold out long enough for Goku to recover and let his dad take care of things (though to be honest he'd probably have pitched in because by now he's aware he can at least help, at least until Freeza started transforming, and then things just went off a cliff). In this, he had hope in his father (and later fear because his father had NEVER been this angry before in Gohan's entire life, but to be fair, who wouldn't be scared??).

>The fight against Vegeta afterwards is sorta a mix between a tantrum, outrage, fear for his father and outright peak anger boiling over. I kinda wish Gohan had won tbh - Vegeta needs to be down a few million pegs.

>Against Freeza and Cold, he was ABSOLUTELY ready to fight. The reason? His dad was on his way. That, and he'd grown a lot. But he still HATED violence, HATED fighting and HATED having to harm others. He's still a child, after all.

>Against the Androids, well.....yeah. Awkward. But he still had hope. Well, had hope. Until Vegeta (and then Krillin) literally fumbled the nuclear footballs. Though honestly, I don't blame Krillin as much as I genuinely despised Vegeta for what he did. The fuck, man.

>Against Cell, well, he was hoping his dad was kidding about Gohan being stronger than him and that his dad would eventually win. Allow me to remind you he is still a child, it's okay to be naive. Things went....uh, wow. What a train wreck. Firstly, Goku GIVES UP (WHAT), then nominates Gohan (wait WHAT), and then just as Gohan has decided to wear him down so he can deliver a decisive strike, Cell, suddenly....uh, loses all fatigue (and won't have to eat for like 10 days) (GOKU???????). And then, just as Gohan is forced to try and find the will to fight, an Android of all things tries to talk some sense into Gohan, and is promptly killed trying to lift his spirits. Right. So....Gohan, having FINALLY fucking had enough people die in front of him, loses his shit, and then loses his literal senses, commits infanticide, and damn near commits fratricide several times over, pulls a Vegeta and then also loses his arm to save Vegeta (of all people) (Wow Vegeta is doing a lot of damage, goddamn). Somehow, SOMEHOW he managed to pull through (only because again, his dad LITERALLY spoke to him from beyond to motivate him). He only succeeded because his dad helped him to.

>Against Bojack, I think that one still counts. His dad helped, sure, a lot actually, but once he realized he HAD the means to stopping them, there went Bojack's chance of stopping Gohan. To be honest, Goku could probably have fought Bojack and won. But Gohan (when fully determined to fight) is pretty much Goku's opposite - good luck, you should've fucking left long ago, because now you die. Don't touch his friends/family/world. (no really, please don't, he has Chichi's temper.)

>Against Buu, well....He felt he had no choice but to fight. After all, his father wouldn't go down without doing nothing. Surely, Son Goku's son could stop Buu before things got worse, right? That was his sole hope - stop it before the situation gets Vegeta'd. Fate is cruel for no reason.

>Against Buu, well....I mean, he WAS him. He was apparently also Vegeta because he not only lost his intelligence but also lost his sense of self. The rest is, uh...pretty self-explanatory. It all blew up in his face. Literally. It actually killed him this time.

[End of Z]

[Start of Super]

Against Freeza, well, he had to buy time. His dad would come, and so would Vegeta, so surely he could survive that long, right?...Right?

Against his Dad, he just...Actually, I think this one was literally just a refresher. And then his other half of him (his Saiyan half) woke up and he wanted the smoke. And I won't lie, that fight was fun to watch. It REALLY makes a difference how good his fights are when he's not forced to shoulder the burden of the entire solar system, huh?

Against Lavender, uh...yeah, pretty much every fight from here on out was just Gohan being Gohan - hyper intelligent and nearly impossible to break hope-wise. I mean, look what he did to Golden Freeza and later Dyspo (especially Dyspo, damn) once he had the chance to fight back. Good lord.

Even in the manga, he wasn't fighting to buy time, he fought to save the world (and the future) on his own. Though honestly he still holds hope, now just he includes himself in that hope too.

Even in GT he still fought for hope of a better future and he had people to rely on and help him.

But here, he has NO ONE. His last friend in this world that he could count on for reinforcement (and teaching) has died.

>His dad is dead to a virus no one saw coming nor could treat.

>Vegeta, someone Gohan really doesn't like, is dead.

>Krillin, Goku's oldest friend, is gone.

>Yamcha, his oldest rival, is gone.

>Piccolo, his only real teacher, is gone.

>And now Roshi, his true only teacher and beacon of wisdom, is dead.

He's too weak to save anyone.

He's too young to know what to do.

He's too unprepared to learn anything.

He's too scared to fight still. (He's still a child)

He's too dependent on everyone to go alone.

What could he possibly do now?

Who could he possibly ask for help?

Where could he possibly go?

When could he possibly train?

Why was he the only one left?

Why him?

There's no one left.

And soon (at this rate), there'll be no one left.

Gohan, a terrified child, forced to fight nearly all his life against odds he frankly never really had a chance against nor fully understood to begin with. Friends he really only knew through his dad, a Saiyan who he only really associates with because his father saw something with him that Gohan could never have seen, and a Namekian he only really looks up to because he has so little of his own life to pull from.

Gohan, with all of this, now alone because anything remotely close to him is now gone.

There's no hope for a child who never wanted a fight.

What could he possibly reasonably do?

And before you answer that, don't look at it through the BS lens of "a world made of cardboard". Look at it through the lens of a child finally realizing what his father's had to deal with and is unable to handle it anymore. Of all those connections gone for...well, nothing.

Of course Gohan would feel hopeless.

Not even Freeza was this bad.

This is who Gohan truly is. Given what's happening, can you even blame him? 3 Replie(s)