@Mister Doctor
>Base Vegetto beating Buuhan

This never happened. Vegetto straight went into SSJ right after fusing and exchanging some words with Buuhan. Base Vegetto being weaker than Buuhan but stronger than Gohan is kinda right.

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Pretty sure this is at least manslaughter in legal terms. So if I'm beaten to deat, I pull out an UZI to off the aggressor, but I kill 30 innocent persons behind it I'm at no fault at all?

There's certainly guilt about it even if this wasn't a cold blooded premeditated murder.
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@Darius
Except that no one except U18 Bra has seen what cell's nucleus looks like (when he regenerated.)

— Goku did not see his nucleus since he only got aware Cell was not dead later when he was further away
— Gohan and Vegeta (thus Vegetto should not have any recollection either) only saw Cell fully regenerated and blasted him away entirely, so they saw no nucleus either.

Anyone there only knew of it by second hand (Cell told them) so even if Bra knew something it'd be a third hand account, not a direct witnessing.

Gast's fight is also not a reliable account since the appearance of the nucleus was never revealed either, only it's location (and it has been established Cell can move it around) and would be impossible to make it out from a distance. Bra somehow knew what it looked like and could pick it up inbetween lots of charred organs and meat. 1 Replie(s)

@MrPerson0
Even with South kai dead Beerus should still be fine. Remember Old Kai is still there in the sword in U1.

The first part of the fight was good. I can't say there was lots of organized teamwork as such, but every fighter (from weakest to strongest) were aware of their surroundings and taking good precautions. Both Gohans attacked simultaneously. U16 got most of the shaft, but U18 acted smartly by pretending to be knocked out and walked around the stadium (as to keep his energy low). While this was happening U16 kept fighting without doing much (despite being already spent by Cell) and Piccolos joined the fight. What the Piccolos did was stupid on first sight, but they managed to surprise Bra a bit by redirecting the SBC. Then they spammed her. Cell then took notice of it and dropped his own SBC in the middle. This was going to kill her but a milisecond delay due to the shield she made let her dodge a bit, and eventually just amputated her hand. In retrospective this was very bad. It gave us the idea/hope that the 'heroes' had some reasonable chances since an amputation is still no small feat. The senzus at this rate were no big issue since we would have expected Bra to do so, she had already done so with Kold/Ginyu and it was a nice callback if I might add.

Cell then was quickly overwhelmed after a few punches and was about to be blasted. Then Gohan appears at the right time to punch the shit out of Babidi. Bra takes notice and goes to stop him hastily. The blast she prepared prematurely detonated, damaging Gohan's arm a bit and destroying her remaining senzus. THIS WAS ALSO BAD FORESHADOWING IN RETROSPECTIVE, since without any further knowledge this was visibly a tactical win despite Gohan did not manage to kill Babidi. It fried her remaining senzus, so by reasonable means it should mean she shouldn't have been able to do this any longer. This told us the rest of the fight was not going to be dependent on senzus, at least not in the case of the big boss which was no means an underdog. This proved to be a very bad red herring later.

Bra gets angry and teleports Gohan. But Cell also proved to be aware of the situation and created Cell Jrs capable of teleport (3 of them! which would prove to be useless later but I'll get to this further below). One of them made a tactical mistake and teleported Gohan to Bra instead of Babidi, yet this still made a decent hit which partially blinded her due to blood clots. Bra started showing visible desperation on this, making us believe they still had a chance.

Then we get the Helios people and also Buu (which ultimately amounted to nothing) idiot balling since the beggining, since they didn't even manage to land a hit on Babidi despite he was a static target. We then get an awesome panel of all of them facing Bra stating that she can't be able to defeat them all (oh boy how wrong they were).

Next chapter everything turns worse and we start getting serious idiot balls. Bra teleports Babidi away. Senzus start to be wasted. U18 Gohan takes a senzu despite he wasn't that damaged, only to quickly get his spine broken, where he needed another senzu again. U16 had taken a senzu the chapter before but it was justified since he fought against Cell and got further damaged by Bra. He was quite out of the fight. Heroes are down to 3 senzus. They were already spotted by Bra when the other Cell Jr teleported him by the Piccolos, so they should have known they were moving targets. Cell manages to figure her teleports but gets caught by her technique. Cell just forgot he had IT too for the whole tournament and specially here, despite he created 3 Jrs just for that.

Now all goes wrong, everybody starts forgetting they have abilities. They stand and look and frown faces for entire pages while other people get killed without acting. No BS "she's too fast to see!" since they were able to witness it normally, and this didn't cause problems like this the previous chapter. They were able to intervene in time while she was busy with anyone else, unlike here. Piccolos instead of getting on guard, destroying the senzus and advising Buu to disperse himself in many parts and heal people (he is far more durable than them, and he has no healing limit unlike the senzus) start wondering if Bra was just acting. Nedwook trashtalks Bra instead of directly attacking, and somehow she figures his "weak point" (which wasn't foreshadowed anywhere). Idiot balls are already getting Jupiter heavy at this rate, but it's still "OK" since he still saved Cell (until now).

Gohan from U16 rages and fires a homing kame hame ha (knowing he wasn't going to be able to hit her). Phipsil comes to the rescue and manages to break Bra's hand Gohan's kamehameha lands. It seems to do a bit of damage to her, but nothing incapacitating. Yet this served only to cloud everyone's vision so Bra could kill a Piccolo and steal two senzus. This is very very bad in-story considering there was some sort of indication she was already out of senzus, depriving the fight of them on her side. Cell Jr fails again by teleporting Gohan 3 meters away from Bra, which made him fail to intercept her munching. This was stupid because this same Cell Jr was able to teleport Gohan the previous chapter right besides Bra to land a perfectly aimed punch to her temple. Another unjustified idiot ball.

U16 Gohan is now morally defeated and starts to almost cry. Now what happens? Bra comes to shiv him and the Cell Jr just randomly decides to move away just so he's right in the path of Bra's spirit shiv to shank Gohan. Another idiot ball, dumb mofo should have teleported him and Phipsil somewhere else.

At this rate it's obvious why this fight is pissing us off so much. We have been constantly blue balled only to get this fight reset'd to 0. Not even regenerating opponents like Cell or Buu were this annoying back then. Most of what has been moving this fight is heroes failing because senzus, despite a Gohan previously managed to deprive her of this supply. At least 50% of the developments (or undevelopments) on this fight have been because of senzus, either wasted, stolen, or misused.

Next chapter begins. Piccolo gives a senzu slowly to another Cell Jr and he witnesses Piccolo getting exploded. He still teleports 2 meters away from Cell (still full of bukkake) and tells him to eat it, DESPITE KNOWING BRA IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO PREVENT IT. He gets blasted to death together with Cell. But don't worry! Cell still has a strong nucleus. YET BRA SOMEHOW DISCOVERS HOW IT LOOKS LIKE (despite she has never witnessed it, nor nobody who fought Cell in her universe or any other actually saw what the damn nucleus looked like, only U18 Bra who saw him directly regenerating from it). She sings while looking for it YET NOBODY jumps in to intervene. At this rate the idiot balls are to heavy to even weight. Not only that but Bra is also getting "plot brilliance" moments as well, by knowing things she should not know).

Phipsil does a clever tactic which ultimately does nothing. Bra somehow notices the carbonite before it touches her skin and blasts it impulsively. But all it does it destroy her boot and bruise her a little. Can she feel through her boot? If she felt it at last moment then she should have forcibly have to amputate her leg or burn it beyond recognition. More "plot enlightment" moments for her.

Only Buu, Gohan and his Jr remain. Buu has not done anything despite he was very well able to heal people, divide himself (like he did with Uub) and copy techniques on first sight. Gohan devices a plan which ultimately fails. Buu was only meant as a decoy but it was shown he was able to distract Bra enough (as much as Cell and the Piccolos did before) so Gohan tells the Cell Jr to prepare. Cell Jr's fails in his aim again, despite he was able to aim very precisely at a much smaller target before, from a far longer distance. Bra stops Gohan's shiv and punches him and the Cell Jr dies from the shockwave.

Then, after none of what they did is worth anything, U18 Bra comes and intimidates the shit out of her by calling her passive which triggers and internal breakdown in U16 Bra, something not even killing her brother did (she treated it as "that goes 3!" a simple number). The overall feel of this battle is that the guys carried a lot of unnecessary idiot balls or blatantly forgot their powers while Bra received plot insight (like Cell's nucleus or Heloite armor weakness) she shouldn't realistically have.

This was not some sort of UPHILL fight like Shoot, Knuckle, Meleoron, Morel, Killua vs. Youpi in Hunter x Hunter were. There the characters did their best and stuck to their plan only to fail due to hesitance to sacrifice valuable team-mates, which led to good character moments and despite losing physically, Youpi was more or less defeated ideologically since he considered them trash and they somehow proved their efforts were worth. Bra did not win because she was stronger, given that if weren't by senzus she may have very well been defeated. Bra won because the heroes just did not do their best and forgot they can do stuff due to plot contrivances and she was granted some deus ex machina knowledge and plot devices.

Lots of Engrish in this page, but I don't mind the use of "passive" that much.

Active vs. Passive Bra is both meme and hentai material.

@Lord Rime
Bro, have you thought about just leaving? That may just be the solution to all your problems.

Since all you've posted since a few months are snarky complaints that are not constructive at all other than expressing impatience and entitlement, would not it be better to just stop reading and stop posting if this story is clearly not up to your standards? Your constant complaining is not influencing the story in any feasible manner, and it sure as hell isn't making the release any faster.

That may solve your issue at once. Seriously, it's becoming painful and boring to read you, far more than the apparently painstakingly low release of this does.

Seriously, heed the advice. It will be better for you to quell this clearly destructive addiction that isn't bringing you any joy, and it will prevent the rest of us from constantly facepalming at your repetitive comments. Other people have stopped visiting or reading for far less than this. Why can't you? Do you seriously believe there is any point or purpose in what you're doing?

Just stop posting - this will be good for the rest of us.
Better yet: just stop reading - this will be good for us, but more importantly good for you too.

You're like an overweight person complaining about being fat but still chomping 30 hamburgers a day despite knowing it's no good for him.

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@Arctika

Vous avez manqué le chien. Cela aurait pu être une bonne occasion d'explorer la psyché de Buu.

@happywarrior99

But Piccolos are gone as well and they also appear. Bardock is also likely gone, and in DBM he has never had visions after his death (unlike the original special). 1 Replie(s)

Saying Bra is like Vegeta is having very poor understanding of both characters, given their character history basically goes into diametrically opposite directions.

Bra was born into a loving family, surrounded by morally upright people (except Vegetto maybe) in a very peaceful environment. Despite that she somehow still managed to be a POS that killed 2 family members and indirectly got Pan killed. She is the first person of the Z gang to descend into villainry (when it always has been the opposite).

Vegeta was born into a barbaric society, surrounded by amoral or outright evil people in a wartorn environment. Despite all of this, after a long time he still managed to evolve into an OK person protective of his own family (which he showed even as a majin in his emotional scene with Trunks). He is the last person that has gone from being evil into a morally upright person in the Z gang (not counting Buu since Fat Buu was always kinda innocent).

She's as similar to Vegeta as Gon is to Meruem. 2 Replie(s)

@Arctika

Merci, allons-nous avoir un double chapitre la prochaine fois? :D

Je n'étais pas trop content de voir que nous n'avions pas pu lire un chapitre le mois précédent. 1 Replie(s)

Remember Gohan intended this punch for Babidi's shield and not Bra. It was by the mistake of the Mini-JR that it landed on Bra on the first place, so that attack was never really meant to actually land on her. So Gohan likely didn't literally do his "strongest punch".

He can. Every one of the possessed participants was in the apartments or their own ships (in the case of U8) during possession.

Kakarotto was with Nappa in his room searching Raditz. King Piccolo was having a monologue with Kami. Cell was going to take a shower. Ginyu was unconscious. Freeza and Coola were just slapped by Vegeto in their own ship before possession. Some others like Bardock or A17 were not shown but it's likely they were possessed outside sight too.

Only the teleportation spell couldn't reach outside/hidden places. 1 Replie(s)

They're literally this far away. I made some maths in the forum a long time ago while calculating RL distance between Namek and Earth

73 million miles per second * 86,400 seconds = 6.3072 trillion miles per day



6.3072 trillion miles per day * 34 days = 214.4448 trillion miles



Approximately 214.4448 trillion miles from Earth to Old Namek



73 million miles per second is 391.8 times the speed of light



34 day length x 391.8 light speed multiplier / 365 days in a year = about 36.5 years traveling at the speed of light



214.4448 trillion miles is about 36.5 light years





Astronomers just discovered the closest possible Earth-like planet outside our solar system. It orbits our closest neighboring star, Proxima Centauri. The planet is warm enough for liquid water, is almost certainly rocky and terrestrial, and could even have an atmosphere. At just 4.2 light years away, scientists are even wondering if this may be the closest home for life outside our solar system.





Well, I was off. It seems Old Namek is around 9 times the amount of distance the closest planet in Proxima Centauri is from Earth. This is still a very limited range though, not even close to Galaxy jumping-level stuff. This means Old Namek was at best 5-6 solar systems away. Our real-life Milky Way approximately spans around 100,000 light years (33,000 parsecs). Likely all the DBZ universe we saw, and all its teleportations only happened in a very close range of at most 90-150 light years away. Only exceptions to this rule are the Otherworld.



A couple billion parsecs, ex: 4 billion parsecs would be: 13,046,255,108 lightyears away. This is around the equivalent span of 130,462 Milky ways stacked together.



The Milky way is around 2777 times the span of DBZ Earth to Old Namek. Knowing the previous numbers... 130,462 * 2777.. They are about 362,292,974 times the distance of DBZ Earth to Old Namek now. They are unfathomably fucking lost.





Oh, and with all of this, I am wrongly portraying the universe as a jumbo sized pizza for the sake of simplicity. Real universe is some spread out fractal in every direction (and DBM universe likely is too) which would be better calculated by an sphere as opposed to a flat circle. So, not only they are lost within a range of 4 billion parsecs on every direction on 2D, but also a 3D plane.
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@Noirium1

Freeza is weaker than Coola in every one of his forms, as well as a less competent fighter. The clear example of it is how during the Majin Rebellion Freeza in 5th form was turned to cheese while Cooler only lost an arm and part of his tail during Piccolo's attack.

Bruv he just stomped a SSJ out of his transformation and you thought your attack was gonna hurt him my guy?

This all seems to work ok. I'm going to try some formatting stuffz.