It's a longshot but I do have a theory. What if XXI actually sent Goku to the alternate dimension Uub is trapped in? Since there doesn't seem to be a way out of there and it would distract Goku for a while, it makes sense. That's assuming of course that XXI knows about the dimension, but he seems to be keeping track of basically everything going on, so it wouldn't surprise me. Again, I'm aware it's unlikely but would make for one hell of a plot twist.

King Kindred was saying: So instead of firing off the blast at the one who called you useless or the warrior in front of you, you fire a beam at the weakling bystanders. You just proved Vegeta right even more.

This feels forced. I expected Vegeta to attack Chi Chi after he saw Gohan considering changing sides, but Raditz blasting them here when he has an opponent in front of him is random.
???? you think raditz is going to fire at his boss? his boss that he's like 1/10th the strength of? hes not stupid

King Kindred was saying: So instead of firing off the blast at the one who called you useless or the warrior in front of you, you fire a beam at the weakling bystanders. You just proved Vegeta right even more.

This feels forced. I expected Vegeta to attack Chi Chi after he saw Gohan considering changing sides, but Raditz blasting them here when he has an opponent in front of him is random.

I agree. "I'm not strong enough to shut up Vegeta, not even strong enough to defeat YAMCHA, so I'll show them by attacking the weakest thing here!"

As for the second part I don't agree. Vegeta is loving the show. He won't interfere. And if Nasu switches sides... isn't that want he wants? An excuse to eliminate Nasu?

Is Chichi wearing a small turtle shell?

King Kindred was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: ZGrssd was saying: "Offensive Ultra Instinct"?
Definitely not. Besides, UI can already change into an offensive stance, once it's been mastered.

SaiyansLegend was saying: Oh... so he couldn't go ssj rage cuz he didn't master it until he's pushed in a fight


Mustard was saying: So he wasn't out of character after all. He just had to do it this way in order to stand a chance.
Exactly! I couldn't talk about this at all, before, due to the guidelines, so I'd instead suggested people wait and read to see what happens later.

But this suggests that he still should've transformed instantly unless it means that Goku Black had to be using his god ki in order for Trunks to transform.
It's happened before with DB characters where, after achieving a new transformation or something, they don't use it yet because they still haven't worked out some kinks or because of how new it still is atm. Due to either reasoning, there are risks involved until that fighter decides it's time to just unleash it for the sake of winning, later on. We saw something similar with why Goku didn't go SSJ3 against Majin Vegeta, because he's not totally used to the form yet, not just because he enjoys a good fight. Goku even admits when he first faced Majin Buu that he's not used to it yet, to explain why transforming took as long as it did, if I remember correctly.

ZGrssd was saying: "Offensive Ultra Instinct"?
Definitely not. Besides, UI can already change into an offensive stance, once it's been mastered.

SaiyansLegend was saying: Oh... so he couldn't go ssj rage cuz he didn't master it until he's pushed in a fight


Mustard was saying: So he wasn't out of character after all. He just had to do it this way in order to stand a chance.
Exactly! I couldn't talk about this at all, before, due to the guidelines, so I'd instead suggested people wait and read to see what happens later.

King Kindred was saying: RockyJoe was saying: Majin Wasabi was saying: Kami’s knowledge of ki and control was essential too. These masters matter.


It's funny because when Krillin, Yamcha, Tien and Chaotzu go to train at Kami's and feel they aren't getting enough out of their training they couldn't already do on their own, Kami just straight up tells them that he taught Goku nothing lol. Kami didn't do anything for him and Popo just merely gave him some slight guidance to get him pushed in the right direction.

Thank you! I've been trying to get this across that Kami's presence literally meant nothing for their training. If anything Popo was their teacher. Them being on the Lookout with Popo's millenias worth of wisdom and the resources of the Lookout is enough for them to be at the very least Ginyu Force Level in 10 years.

This powerscaling makes zero sense. It would've been fine if it was 5 years, but the Z-Fighters should not be dropping like flies or just standing around and letting each other die.

It's not just that. Reading between the lines of certain details during the Saiyan arc and what was acknowledged on Namek like Vegeta surpassing his father when he was just a child and admitting internally that the battle on Earth was the first time he had ever been forced to retreat, it suggests pretty strongly that his battles were generally of the more 'manageable'variety where the difficulty wasn't too bad. Naturally the Saiyans would grow stronger just from constant exposure to battles, but if it's nothing intensive then it would be modest.

Majin Wasabi was saying: Kami’s knowledge of ki and control was essential too. These masters matter.


It's funny because when Krillin, Yamcha, Tien and Chaotzu go to train at Kami's and feel they aren't getting enough out of their training they couldn't already do on their own, Kami just straight up tells them that he taught Goku nothing lol. Kami didn't do anything for him and Popo just merely gave him some slight guidance to get him pushed in the right direction.

King Kindred was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: Osha was saying: So we get an entire chapter of SSJ1 Trunks holding back for no reason, getting his shit wrecked, then one panel of happy slaps in SSJ2 only for him to FINALLY stop fucking around like he should be expected to. Author ain't cooking (nothing against the artist, he's just doing the panels and has nothing to do with the sloppy writing).
Trunks not going all out from the start IS a more obvious flaw, but I think we're being a bit too critical about it. It's not 'sloppy writing', especially if it's just this one problem.

Shabby was saying: What is that form?

"Super Saiyan Plothole"
One of many plotholes in the anime that can be potentially explained rather or at least considerably easily if you use your imagination (generally speaking, I'm not saying anything about you specifically, er, in case I at all sounded like that just now...)

Yeah. People were told/shown how Trunks obtained god ki to unlock Super Saiyan Rage but they still act like it's a plot hole or asspull. He became a Kai in training and trained/sparred with Vegeta while he was in Super Saiyan Blue. That's enough for him to unlock an unstable variant of Blue out of rage.
Trunks didn't obtain God Ki from training with the Supreme Kais, he unlocked his full potential by training with the Z-Sword. God Ki is only obtained, in this context, by training under higher deities with higher knowledge like Angels. But I do say what I said about plotholes in the DBS anime being potentially explained with ease because it's true. With SSJ Rage, there's clearly more to the form than 'a$$pull' and 'plot' right in front of us, and we can use it with what we have and know already rather than by rewriting things entirely. The aura alone holds that potential.

King Kindred was saying:

Except this is not DB Manga canon. This is Goten-Kun's own personal canon. The Mafuba was never stopped the way Nappa just did it and goes against everything we know about the technique from the source. If the Mafuba hits you, you're being sucked up into the vortex of magical energy. Whether you end up sealed after that is up to the user.

It could very well work against an opponent like Nappa but the opposite is also true. Both can be valid since neither outcome aren't contradicted by the manga (the mafuba has never been used against someone stronger than 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Piccolo).
Think of it like the Dragon Balls which are stated to grant ANY wish but got more and more limitations through the manga.
I prefer this version of Mafuba since it also explains why such a powerful technique hasn't been used after Piccolo.

Osha was saying: So we get an entire chapter of SSJ1 Trunks holding back for no reason, getting his shit wrecked, then one panel of happy slaps in SSJ2 only for him to FINALLY stop fucking around like he should be expected to. Author ain't cooking (nothing against the artist, he's just doing the panels and has nothing to do with the sloppy writing).
Trunks not going all out from the start IS a more obvious flaw, but I think we're being a bit too critical about it. It's not 'sloppy writing', especially if it's just this one problem.

Shabby was saying: What is that form?

"Super Saiyan Plothole"
One of many plotholes in the anime that can be potentially explained rather or at least considerably easily if you use your imagination (generally speaking, I'm not saying anything about you specifically, er, in case I at all sounded like that just now...)

goten-kun was saying: "Why don't they use Mafuba?"
Just as no one uses it in Dragon Ball after Tournament 23.
It's just that once you reach a certain power level, Mafuba becomes obsolete.

I hate how this is presented as though canonically factual to the series. At no point is the Mafbua "obsolete" because of the target's power - only ever because of the user's lack of energy or life force, and never have we seen someone negate the Mafuba - only ever reflected back or redirected to another target so long as the move is anticipated by the target. Piccolo is seen reflecting it - presumably due to knowledge of the move and his link to Kami, and Frost (if you want to include DBS into the discussion) redirecting it after having witnessed the move a couple of times.

The Mafuba only ever fails because the move is anticipated or seen before, the user doesn't have the strength to use it on their target, there is no container or the container is broken, or because the technique was a success but no seal was used on the container (or the seal is removed).

In this instance, I think Nappa SHOULD have been hit by the Mafuba (trying to stop it with his mouth beam, ultimately failing and confusing himself ontop of his new fear of the Mafuba), but Chaozu should have failed in hitting his target due to not having enough strength to hold Nappa long enough for sealing. Vegeta sees this, scolds Nappa on his negligent broken state, and kills him ultimately shocking some sense into Gohan.

ap2007 was saying: He must have done it wrong, vegeta ssb was captured by roshis in the tournament of power
This is still NOT DBS, why do people keep bringing this up all the time?

Goten-Kun only follows the DB manga canon, no DBS or anime filler. Which is a very good thing, if you ask me.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: I am curious what the power levels are according to goten kun.
I never liked the power levels in Dragon Ball. It was cool at first but this leads to inconsistencies.



Fussgaenger was saying: Yes, but the Earthlings had here an absolute Emergency (without Goku, Piccolo, nor Dragon Balls), so they should seek for special Training. I would like to know, for Example, why didn't they use the Ultra Divine Water for unlocking they hidden Potential? They knew, that an Enemy will come to Earth (in an unknown Time) and will be a very big Danger.
The Earthlings didn't train with Kaio, they didn't have any powers revealed on Namek, they didn't train in the Room of Spirit and Time. They progressed, but much less than in Dragon Ball.
Neither does divine water, just like they didn't use it until the saiyans or androids came in DB.

happywarrior99 was saying: If that is the case then U9 did not break the rules for giving medical attention to U9 Elder Kai and U13 Raditz, yet U1 South Kaioshin send all U9 characters back to Universe 9 despite only U9 Elder Kai doing anything that would be considered close to rule breaking.

A person giving medical attention to a criminal does not make them an accomplice.
He's not sending them home for giving medical attention, he's sending them home because they very clearly knew about the plan to kill XXI and are part of it

King Kindred was saying: Ammar was saying: King Kindred was saying: XXI has been breaking the rules the entire tournament by using his own set of Dragon Balls to cheat and he's now infecting other universes.
That's not against the rules nor it's cheating.

Outside help is both against the rules and cheating. Not using your own power to gain victory in a tournament is cheating. Not sure why you think it isn't.
Outside Help refers only to help given DURING the match, like throwing a tool or attack into the ring. All XXI has done with the Dragon Balls is learn a technique (not against the rules), get some information (only against the rules if given during the match), and get a remote (having equipment isn't against the rules, the Ultras use entire warsuits)

I would like to remind everyone:

NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM MATCH NAPPA'S POWER.

Goku's base power by the time Nappa and gang showed up a YEAR LATER was 8,001. Not even Gohan's worst outburst surpassed this. Goku won on pure endurance and numbers.

The humans have NO chance of victory. Sure, Krillin could try to spam Kienzans but remember, this is a new technique on an Earthing BARELY capable of withstanding Raditz, which is to say it takes a moment to prepare and shoot off. These Saiyans are not only more cohesive (despite how it looks), but have Nasu on their side, Goku's BEEN dead, and Piccolo (and therefore Kami) are all gone too. There is no way for them to gain enough strength to handle a dead-serious Raditz 1-on-1, nevermind that these Saiyans have done MORE combat than original between Raditz's visit and their arrival, and are therefore stronger than their previous levels (Except for Vegeta maybe, since he has rarely faced anyone who could damage him enough to get Zenkai'd anyways, being triple Nappa's original 5k~ power level) and may be anywhere from 2-7k stronger in units than before.

So no, the Humans are NOT winning this. Short of Vegeta deciding to betray Freeza (and we all know how that'll go) none of them can prevent Earth's downfall.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

King Kindred was saying: XXI has been breaking the rules the entire tournament by using his own set of Dragon Balls to cheat and he's now infecting other universes.
That's not against the rules nor it's cheating.

King Kindred was saying: mAc Chaos was saying: Royaken was saying: Yes, quality of training is important. But the only training they all did in that one year was against each other. Yet Krillin still became 5x stronger in that one year.
Don't forget. They were training under Kami, which was new for them. In this story, there is no Kami since Piccolo died. So there's that.

That is a non-factor and again, we have Popo here who knows everything Kami knows plus more from his long life.
Popo is not the same at all or Kami would never need to be the one to train anyone. It's true that Popo is another one of the masters in a way though, so that's at least some new training.

I do think training with a goal should make a difference though. Krillin got how strong on the way to Namek just image training with Gohan?

Royaken was saying: Yes, quality of training is important. But the only training they all did in that one year was against each other. Yet Krillin still became 5x stronger in that one year.
Don't forget. They were training under Kami, which was new for them. In this story, there is no Kami since Piccolo died. So there's that.

mAc Chaos was saying: Between DB and Z, there was five years of Goku training. His power level only went up about 100. Same with Piccolo.
Indeed. Time and time again, DBZ has established that it's the QUALITY of the training that matters, not the time spent or the location. Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, and Trunks all noticed a plateau after a certain amount of time in the HBTC, after which they felt returning for another day inside would be pointless. Yet, as we all know, their strength continued to rise again by magnitudes with the right opponents

King Kindred was saying: This better be a trap by Krillin and Chiatzou where he holds Nappa's arm in place so someone can attack him from behind.

Unless he's trapping Nappa's arm INSIDE him, i think not. There's blood and fabric flying out Krillan's back.

Nappa reattached his arm?

Cryptic_Saiyajin was saying: the earthlings may have had 10 years of training but what training did they do? the only masters they had access to at the time are Roshi, Korin, and Mr Popo and themselves. Unlike Saiyans the humans are also susceptible to diminishing returns. If anything they plateaued what they could improve under their own power. If they had access to King Kai's training in that ten year span, they absolutely could have improved enough to take out the saiyans, assuming that the saiyans didn't under go any improvements themselves from getting Gohan up to speed. Kaioken would have worked wonders, but i don't see them beating vegeta and Gohan without killing themselves with Kaiokenx4. The HTC exists but since Goku couldn't handle it Popo probably thought it would be a waste of time (haha)
you reminded me, since piccolos dead they dont even have access to kami as a trainer here, theyre even worse off than the normal timeline

Teleported_Bread was saying: kcheeb was saying: Form he should've used in page 24 to annihilate black without even giving him chance to react or power I up

Real canon trunks would take zero risk or give enemty any opportunity. This fanfic destroyed trunks character
'Destroyed' is a bit dramatic, just because his approach to combat was confused.

It's completely out of character is what's important. Even anime Trunks immediately went to Rage against Black when he had the chance instead of going slowly through forms.

Ironically, the Farmer with the Shotgun could easily kill Raditz now.

How long did Tien last again in DBZ with a severed arm in the fight against Nappa? Maybe this Nappa's situation is meant to mimic that in a way.


Thiln was saying: Ten years of continuous training and this is the result. The humans managed to surpass Raditz in less than one during the Saiyan arc. It feels like they're being short-changed. Couldn't Chaozu at least paralyse Nappa here? Psychic powers seem to allow the user to punch above their weight class by a good amount.

Anyway, maybe Yamcha shows up to intercept Nappa? He seems to be in the best position right now out of all the humans.I have to think of the Android Arc from DBZ. They spent 3 years preparing for the arrival of the Androids and for the most part couldn't make an impact. Then they spend an extra year in HTC, and suddenly they can all one-shot #18.

Somehow they managed to do a lot more in one year than they did in the 3 years before. Maybe the type of training is important. Perhaps it is also relevant whether the threat is close at hand versus a hypothetical threat that is a long way off.

King Kindred was saying: Joey21 was saying: King Kindred was saying: Joey21 was saying: Ngl not a fan of the Vegeta nerfing. He’s been one of the most consistent/well written characters in the story. They could even give him his own redemption arc. For him to just get passed by Raditz sucks.

The other glaring point is how was Raditz not able to affect South Kai who’s clearly possessed. XXI obviously has extremely sinister magic.

How does this nerf Vegeta? That's like saying Gohan getting the Mystic Form nerfed Goku. And U13's Vegeta isn't redeemable. He had plenty of opportunity to change his ways after defeating Frieza.
Vegeta has been done well this whole tourney. Solid fan service. To suddenly upend his SS3 moment at the behest of Raditz is dumb. It just goes back to the old adage of never letting Vegeta get one.

As far as redemption, he’s been watching himself in an alternate reality and how his life may have turned out. He also didn’t fall under Babidis magic and they teased him for having potential good within.

I would argue that yes, mystic gohans powerup nerfed Goku too. And by nerf I just mean downplaying.

Yeah, this is just you placing your personal feelings as a Vegeta fan onto the story. As a fellow Vegeta fan, I understand, but you're wrong.

Raditz has been bottom of the barrel the entire tournament because of DBM's characterization of him. Years later and with Frieza gone his base is Ginyu Level. It's ridiculous to believe and accept that Raditz would be so low in a universe where his squad continued to train and grow. He was probably kept that low because he and Kakarot would've killed Vegeta otherwise. All the Mystic Form did was bring out his power that was there all along.

Vegeta was not an option for Babidi. He didn't want to risk any form of Vegeta resisting control and go against him. It had nothing to do with him being a redeemable character.

But overall Raditz Mystic PowerUp does not downplay Vegeta's, especially considering the limitations of it. Mind you, the whole situation has been in development since Elder Kai was freed. This was always going to lead to a fight between Raditz and Vegeta and you're just going off Elder Kai's words when we haven't seen his actual power yet.
I mean yeah, the whole story draws off emotional ties to every character from the original manga. It may be a reach to suggest he’s going to be redeemed, but it’s not a stretch.

Raditz being the butt of every joke is exactly the point why his power up negates Vegeta’s. It would be far more fitting to have Elder Kai give Goku the boost and play on them being rivals in every Universe, as they’re naturally closer in power. I guess Nappa is dormant Kai tier now too while we’re at it.

King Kindred was saying: Joey21 was saying: Ngl not a fan of the Vegeta nerfing. He’s been one of the most consistent/well written characters in the story. They could even give him his own redemption arc. For him to just get passed by Raditz sucks.

The other glaring point is how was Raditz not able to affect South Kai who’s clearly possessed. XXI obviously has extremely sinister magic.

How does this nerf Vegeta? That's like saying Gohan getting the Mystic Form nerfed Goku. And U13's Vegeta isn't redeemable. He had plenty of opportunity to change his ways after defeating Frieza.
Vegeta has been done well this whole tourney. Solid fan service. To suddenly upend his SS3 moment at the behest of Raditz is dumb. It just goes back to the old adage of never letting Vegeta get one.

As far as redemption, he’s been watching himself in an alternate reality and how his life may have turned out. He also didn’t fall under Babidis magic and they teased him for having potential good within.

I would argue that yes, mystic gohans powerup nerfed Goku too. And by nerf I just mean downplaying.

Ngl not a fan of the Vegeta nerfing. He’s been one of the most consistent/well written characters in the story. They could even give him his own redemption arc. For him to just get passed by Raditz sucks.

The other glaring point is how was Raditz not able to affect South Kai who’s clearly possessed. XXI obviously has extremely sinister magic.

TheSloppaSituation was saying:
Also, am I supposed to believe that this silly mental block works on those who are "good" but are being used by evil for the sake of doing evil against their knowledge/control?
What, does this mean that Raditz couldn't hurt Majin Bra?
Who decides what is good? Who decides what is bad? Raditz? Old Kai? Some magical enchantment that rates people on a black and white karmic scale?
What is good for some may not be good for others.


There's a magical cloud in DB that lets you ride it depending if you're good or bad. It isn't exactly uncharted territory for the series.
I can see the old Kai magic working in the same way.

King Kindred was saying: Thank God they're still alive. But it's official South Kai is under XXI's control. It's weird though since we didn't actually see him give him anything or infect him with his aura. Just told him to check out their room.

And it seems Raditz doesn't feel the effects of his awakening so we haven't seen his power yet.

I don't see any concrete evidence to suggest he is under control. If he were, it would make more sense that he would have killed them.

Tengu was saying: South Kai is so out of character here, he is not Zamasu!Are you sure?

U1 Kaioshins are not neutral observers, as usual. They actively participate in world events .... well ... events that affect their entire universe. Their behavior since the beginning of the U0 tournament seems rather ooc to them. What South has just done here is more in line with their past experience.

South not listening to Elder Kaioshin in any way seems suspicious. I admit that. But beating up Raditz wordlessly with just one hand. After the Saiyan tried to attack him with the supposed knowledge that he could defeat South. That does fit with U1 South.


King Kindred was saying: Thank God they're still alive. But it's official South Kai is under XXI's control. It's weird though since we didn't actually see him give him anything or infect him with his aura. Just told him to check out their room.But maybe it has something to do with page 2482, who knows? Definitely a peculiar page that no one else has mentioned since the chapter started.


Jack Bz was saying: Wow, so the reason Raditz is so weak is because the potential unlock didn't work?? Did XXI block it?Or someone else has blocked it, who knows ;)


Crow was saying: Isn't the South Supreme Kai supposed to be around SSJ3 Goku's level? Raditz would need to have Gohan-tier potential to put up a fight against him, so I don't know why Elder Kai thought he could "easily" beat South.If Raditz were Mystic-Gohan Power Level Tier, then Raditz could kill South with a single hit.
Mystic-Gohan is (at least) a whole tier stronger than Buu-Arc SSJ3 Goku.

We can assume this. If all Saiyans had their potential unlocked via Mystic Ritual, then all of them would be at least SSJ3 power level tier. Gohan, however, is something special, and thus in a hypothetical comparison of all Mystic Saiyans, the strongest and a whole power level tier stronger.


jdfree was saying: Somehow getting punched in the face once causes a pool of blood centered around his lower back.Just a small inconsistency on the part of the artist. Nothing else.


zero logic was saying: Tengu was saying: South Kai is so out of character here, he is not Zamasu!

You could say that about a lot of characters here...You could say that everyone except U18 has had different experiences, adventures and lives than their iterations from DB/Z.


Pizzachu was saying: I think finding out that Dai Kaioshin was working with Buu broke South Kaioshin's brainHaha, somehow it is. A picture is worth a thousand words.

Females was saying: So wait, they weren't looking at the open door as if someone was entering? That's what I assumed was going on in the last page.

IIRC, doesn't the open door mean that energies can be felt from within? Perhaps the door remaining open will alert other fighters to what is going on and lead to some sort of confrontation

King Kindred was saying: Lmaoo poor Chiatzou. That didn't do a thing but annoy Nappa.

I was thinking Chiatzou was going to freeze Nappa with his telekinesis so Krillin could finish him with the kienzan.
The attack didn't happen yet.

Raditz... No...

Not like this.



King Kindred was saying: Well, it looks like Raditz is dead. I know Vegeta can't sense ki yet, but he wouldn't have that look if he wasn't certain it was strong enough to kill Raditz.
That's Raditz.

Krilltoad is the kind of guy that sees Wile E. Coyote's plans and somehow thinks "good idea".

Yes was saying: Alright, Popo/Roshi you may need to go to Baba and ask her to revive Goku for a day to take care of this mess...


Interesting, Tien said it will only be more complicated rather than saying there is no chance basically like in the original story. Think it is time for Tien to go full power and take care of this Gohan imposter... Be funny if Yamcha and Krillin obliterate Nappa and Raditz and all focus on Nasu here. Vegeta will likely just sit back and watch.

I'm pretty sure Goku has been ''dead dead'' this whole time. Though it WOULD be a funny twist if they brought him back, only to be immediately killed again like Dick Hallorann, or something.

Trunks' face is missing!

Is that Kai Kai, clones or Afterimage?

King Kindred was saying: Trunks should not be struggling with Black. Nor should he be holding back against someone who destroyed everything he held dear. He's not Goku.
There are reasons why somebody doesn't throw everything they have at their opponent from the get go besides 'cause Goku does it'.

Can you guys just please read the story? I can't answer and put your complaints to rest without breaking any DBM site guidelines.

The peeps from last page and inevitably this one complaining about Vegetto "character assassination" def got a different take on his DBZ showing than I did.

He was always this arrogant, and this careless. I don't think a coupla losses would change that... The Vegeta side of him never handled those well.

Basically all fusions were arrogant assholes, with this one prob topping the list.

SoyBear was saying: I feel like they haven't really tried as hard as they think they have on Gohan. These are Strangers to him, why would he join them? He knows they weren't there for Goku when he died, while the sayains were strong enough to Kill Goku and (for the most part) have accepted him.

You know what I think would help turn him?

If Vegeta...well if he "Vegetas" Nappa lol. That or if the Ox King, or Chichi were there. Though it's hard to imagine how Chichi kept going after what happened to her son and husband.

I was thinking of that actually. Maybe not so much Ox King, but maybe Chichi. I think I read a fanfic like that once.

Basically Chichi trains and then ends up going to space with some of the Dragon Team (Krillin, Yamcha, and Bulma I think) to search out Gohan. They build a ship using Goku's or Raditz's pod (I forget if Gohan never broke Raditz's pod or not.

Eventually everyone (Humans, Saiyans, and Frieza) find out about Namek and there is effectively a war there. Gohan is brainwashed against the humans so he fights them at first. Chichi eventually breaks through to Gohan, but then Frieza kills Chichi and Gohan goes SSJ.

Frieza gets defeated. And that's the end basically.

Damian Qualshy was saying: thebritwriter was saying: Truth be told I’m more distracted by the out of the nowhere dragon passing by.

This looks like a solid start but I’m guessing this will equate to a ‘is that all’ from black.

I mean, it's just for suspense. Showcase the surroundings in complete silence.


The suspense was a key aim that I liked, I think the author wanted to add bit of toriyama (the dragon) in the mix I’m not saying it’s a bad thing just unexpected with pages previously showing a somewhat grounded setting, then there’s a dragon flying by during the standoff. It does add a reminder that this world still has its ‘fantasy’ from the original dragon ball days.

Dantas1996 was saying: XXI continues to attack Gast even after he surrenders, according to the rules that Gast cited he should be disqualified MATTIA IL DIVINO was saying: Dantas1996 was saying: XXI continues to attack Gast even after he surrenders, according to the rules that Gast cited he should be disqualified
Just thought the same, either the authors forgot or Gast turned so dumb to ignore such a fact.Maybe XXI literally stopped attacking Gast when the U1 Namekian decided the fight was over. And all of the injuries that Gast suffered in the end literally occurred before Gast uttered the words, “I forfeit!”.


SSJMoltenbud was saying: As everyone else says, Gast could have told the organisers that XXI was intending on knowingly killing and consuming him after he had forfeited. Maybe because he was unable to finish the job, due to the Namekian in the control centre and their stupid strange hearing abilities, he technically didn't kill his opponent after forfeiture, loopholing him into the clear despite intent. I wonder if the Namekian heard XXI's words too, or was it at least in part Namekian telepathy.It is indeed strange behavior from Gast since his fight. And considering how he was acting on page 1985, immediately interfering in the events, he was almost out of character here. I suspect there must be something behind this, perhaps another subplot that will only be revealed later.

Close enough! It should've been "the upper hand" instead of "high ground hand".

Also, Uncle Nappa is real!

That's for Tien!

But I was hoping for more accuracy throw and death.

mAc Chaos was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: Okay but why? Like, he's clearly not a berserk right now, he thinks straight. Why go to war?
I think it just changed their mindsets.

Maybe? I can understand all of the other infected Saiyans, but not Cumber. At the beginning he simply didn't recognize Yamoshi, as if he's a different person.

kkk was saying: Stop explaining stuff to your enemy, Trunks!

So this timeline is the result of Beerus erasing Zamazu? It was a bit ambiguous when Whis explained it in Chapter 1. Still, I don't understand how erasing the Zamasu who would eventually become Goku Black can lead to a Goku Black existing in the future. My bet is that something else happened (in addition to Beerus erasing Zamasu) causing a Goku Black to still exist, and arrive earlier than in the original future.

It can't be the timeline where zamasu was eliminated by beet us. That happened in main timeline

I don't think authkr knows what he's doing

No Frost Demon DNA, but MF is cocky as hell still...
Vegeta's genes carrying I guess, even tho the superiority talk of this kind is more so Frieza's thing

SoyBear was saying: I do think there is something sweet in how proud the Sayains, but especially Nappa, seems to be of Nasu. Probably something there about the older Sayain General being happy he got to see a new generation sprout up at least one more time.

I recall in the manga Nappa's immediate reaction to hearing about Gohan was to enthusiastically suggest cross breeding with the Earthlings to recreate the saiyan race.

Vegeta shot it down because of how much stronger Gohan was than Goku during the Raditz fight "Would you want a bunch of brats stronger than us running round before they even hit puberty?" or something like that.

Though that idea might make a funny (horrifying) harem anime.

Nice page, but in my opinion the English translation could use a little work. It's a bit awkward and too literal. Here's what I would suggest:

Panel 1
Krillin: "It's as I thought! There's four of them!
Vegeta: "Bravo, you can count." (I think putting it this way comes across as Vegeta insulting Krillin, which fits his Saiyan Saga personality better)

Panel 2
Yamcha: "Then the young one must be Goku's son?"

Panel 3
Vegeta: "That's right, Nasu is the son of Kakarotto. We made him into a true Saiyan, free from Earthling weaknesses. (there's no 'true' in the original French, but it feels like something Vegeta would say)

Panel 4
Nappa: "Oh yeah, and don't even think about trying to turn him to your side. Nasu is one of us now. He spent way more time with us than with you."

Panel 5
No notes, this one's fine.

I think this sounds more natural and flows better. Feel free to disagree, of course.

King Kindred was saying: Gohan looks sick. I'm glad he's alive, but I was wishing he was with Gero.

I don't understand why the humans would lie to Gast about Gohan being alive.
Bc Goheezy was the only threat to Gero’s power and the only chance the humans had at survival. If Gero knew Gohan was alive, the humans would have been relentlessly targeted by Gero. Instead, Gero focused on expanding its empire with ease of mind

Sooo bullets hardly scratched kid Goku's skin when he was first introduced.....and now Goku black, who is millions or even billions times stronger than start-kid-Goku is bleeding from a shotgun bullet.....sure a shotgun bullet has more impact than the pistol Bulma used at the start of Dragon Ball....and the bullet could even be enhanced to do more damage....but did I mention yet that Goku black is millions or even billions times stonger than start-kid-Goku?

Oh and please don't mention Goku and Krillin getting hurt by bullets in Dragon Ball Super because that's just as odd to me...I cut those clips out of those episodes.

Yes I know, power scaling is BS and bla bla bla....and maybe my opinion is not popular, but I don't think Goku black would bleed because of any type of gun bullet.

Wow,so they weren't even training together? That's pretty poor strategy.