We still need an official explanation why he is older than videl, not just about height but age, videl is at best 10 or 11, and this gohan is prolly looking older than his 11 yrs old age

I do bet on hyperbolic machine but it's not yet confirmed

ZenBuu was saying: Who says Janemba needs to be at the exact same powerlevel as he was in fusion reborn? This movie isn't canon to DBM, or let's say it never really happened like that in all the other universes. Where XXI got Janemba from, is still a mystery. Anyway... not to mention this story here isn't canon to DBM either.

So there is some leeway here to make Janemba stronger than in fusion reborn. Timeline wise, this here is also 13 years after the Buu Saga, which could've been enough time to accumulate more evil souls for the machine to gather, thus making this Janemba here stronger in the process.

earth1superman was saying: Everyone in the universe is dead at this point. This Janemba was made with a lot more evil than any other iteration to ever be seen.
Not everyone is dead yet in this universe. At least Namek still exists for example. Broly didn't had enough time to destroy the whole universe in just one year.

But yeah, you basically think the same as me! :)

No it wouldn't let "more souls accumulate" because the reason why Janemba was born in the first place is machine OVERLOAD. Meaning it has a LIMIT. You can make the argument about the power of those souls alone, but since all of them are just clouds and no bodies (so pretty weak) means this Janemba should be on the same level as movie Janemba. Doesn't even matter, because Broly should absolutely decimate him with that previous blast, and even this hit alone should send him into the Shadow Realm.

I chuckled when I saw Broly just change focus onto the demon, completely forgetting about Gogeta, so that's a point. Doesn't fix that Janemba is here and is that much durable and yada yada, but it's still funny.

Welp, considering this Gogeta’s strength and using ssj3, better do it in one in order to not defuse like the enhanced gotenks.

"You keep using that name. It seems you've mistaken me for someone else. So... Allow me to INTRODUCE MYSELF!!!"

Today was saying: Bra's "who decided that" sounded familiar... I thought about it, and I think it might be a parody from one of the later episodes of Baka Test (hilarious series) where Mutsulini takes on his teacher at the bathhouse (I know that sounds very random if you haven't seen it)
It's a reference to The Seven Deadly Sims' Escanor, I think!

DrewSaga was saying: That elbow swing at the beginning looks very much inefficient.


Yeah, a random upwards elbow out of nowhere with no setup for it?

Can't tell if it's from that cat meme or magical girl transformation from the Tournament of Power.

Interesting color scheme. I guess Chibi Phipsil says trans pride

Next page is Gast using his technique again and finding out it was always actually useless, calling it now.

The Grand Kaio was sending energy to the ball to release buu

Roid Kaioken definitely is no joke. I hope Goku pulls through.

Also, is that a Bleach reference?

SawnMC was saying: MultiKoopa was saying:
Hmm? Uub and Goku both got plenty of hits on each other in that first panel, we didn't see Goku's reaction to the kick in the 2nd panel...

Look closer, he dodged it. And yes Goku may have taken a solid punch to the face there, but Uub is, supposedly, at least until now, going all out and Goku seems unfazed, he tanked it like a champ. On the other hand, Uub is out of balance on his dodge in the last panel, indicating he's struggling to keep up the pace of speed. Now maybe he is either a bit outclassed, or he's just winded because of the Kaioken, that remains to be seen.
but again, we didn't see Goku's reaction to the kick
you're all seeing things that weren't shown :P

Hmm? Uub and Goku both got plenty of hits on each other in that first panel, we didn't see Goku's reaction to the kick in the 2nd panel...

SawnMC was saying: The same thing didn't happen to son Bra when she got hit by Gohan's kamehameha and the difference in power seems similar per se. Your arguement is full of flaws anyway, what you set as an example, isn't even the same thing, it was similar to vegeta's ssJ2 final atonement, than a charged energy attack, a complete release of all the ki you can possibly accumulate."The difference in power seems similar?" You actually think that ssj2 majin bra who effortlessly killed a Gohan (effectively) with a single punch to his back and did kill another Gohan with a single punch to the head is at all similar in power to uub and fat buu? Really?

I said my example was "relatable," not exact. My point stands. You cannot judge the damage a strong energy attack does to someone who takes it and somehow claim they are similar in power. Here's another example since you struggled with the last... when vegeta blasted a huge chunk out of perfect cell during the cell games. Are you going to try to claim that that shows they were at all similar in power? That's simply not how it works.

SawnMC was saying: a fair assumption for UUb's "maximun Kaioken" would be ssJ3 Goku or Ultimate Gohan at Buu's saga. Purely judging from his fight with the fat majin buu and how he obliterated him, resulting in buu needing to use one of his seeds laying around to get back.A charged up energy attack against an opponent who takes the full blast will always do a disproportionate amount of damage and shouldn't be used as a fair comparison of power levels.

As a relatable example, super buu + Vegeta claims that had goku used his giant internal blast against him when he wasn't shrunk it would have completely destroyed him. Once again, that's super buu + vegeta which is far and away stronger than fat... presumably just below mystic level. In no way was ssj3 goku that strong and can't reasonably be compared to him just because he can do a ton of damage to an unsuspecting opponent.

Vegito my hero! I love you!
And before people say this is out of character: Goku and Vegeta would have done the same to their children jf they killed innocent people!

Prof.Ripper PhD was saying: Where the fuck did Uub just go?!?!?

He’s lending his energy to a weakened Goku in an alternate universe.



dont hate me please

It would be badass to see Ultimate Gohan see Pan's panic and jump in and easily stop the fight. He's probably still more powerful, especially ignoring how GT and Super gimp him.

Can't wait for Gohan to embarrass both of them in front of Uub and Pan in the HTC.

As everyone has said thefirst panel is amasing!
And meh, I don't care about power levels. What I care is how irresponsable U16 is. Vegito knows he doesn't have the patience to educate Bra, he knows someday she is going to become more powerful than him, he knows if Bra goes wild EVERYONE will be in danger, he knows that since she turned SSJ1. Yet he kept training her, teaching her all of his techniques that put everyone at a bigger disadvantage, just look at her fight in her Majin form, she relied too much on IT, and kept everyone and could help him to stop her in the dark, especially Gohan, the only one that cares enough to deal with Bra.
WHY?!
Also Vegito knows he is in danger of losing his shit because he is in need of a good fight, Why does he do what he does? He should be telling everyone Bra's bloodlust, a thing that shouldn't be a secret to anyone that spends two seconds with her, and his own bloodlust. Everyone and their dog should be at high alert, training and keeping their two power houses in 24/7 watch.

Jubjub was saying: She never "struggled" against Gohan and the others. They all ganged up on her and pulled dirty tricks. They showed in the beginning just how vast her strength was compared to Gohan.
Any damage she took all stemmed from sucker punches and cheap shots. I'm not knocking them. I'm just saying she never "struggled" (ie. Had to strain herself against them in a clear cut fight)
I've said this before but, would you consider the chance of SSJ1 Vegetto needing senzus against Buuhan? Buuhan tried all the tricks he could think of, not a scratch. Here the difference is higher, and yet. Buuut this is really an old debate, I don't want to repeat it. It's just this kinda confirms those guys made "SSJ1 Vegetto" struggle, for whatever reason.

SawnMC was saying: All these endless debates about Bra's level... Cheesus... Has anyone of you ever read the novel? it is stated clearly that bra was stronger than Gohan as ssJ2 and NOT before, as ssJ, in the fight with super Buu in outer space.
1. Ugh, that attitude.
2. Novel? No thanks. It's been proven extremely wrong many times and they've already said Salagir just overcheks it a bit. It's basically Toei's DBM, they can say whatever.

Xeno was saying: This confirms they always meant SSJ1 Bra when they talked about... well, everything about her PL. Gohan, Vegetto... All that was SSJ1 Bra. Which actually makes 2 troubles. 1, she's actually way closer to Vegetto than it looks, as Ginyu said, and if she unlocks SSJ3 for whatever reason, well...

And 2, for the love of everything I can't believe she slightly struggled agains Gohan, Cell and co. She's obviously over Vegetto SSJ1 tier, how can she...


Vegetto SSJ1 tier? No, she is not at level of Vegetto in SSJ. She is between Mystic and SSJ1 Vegetto in her SSJ. I also disagree with those that say that in SSJ2 she is equal to Base Vegetto.

"She's a brick... HOUSE! She's the one, the only one, built like an Amazon..."

Seriously though if, like Bojack, her skin gets green when she transforms, she'd kinda look like the She-Hulk right now. Which is pretty cool.

SawnMC was saying: u18 Bra going ssj is all but certain at this point, yet that won't be THE main factor of u16 bra's defeat I think. I'm suspecting we will get to see a glimpse of Goku and Vegeta's secrets soon...

I really hope you are right! Time for our boys to shine! What do you think their secret could be? Using full power SSJ3 in a state which doesnt consume too much ki maybe?