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Bird Mountain
April 18th
le nuage was saying:
Royaken was saying: I see some people worrying this is the end... is it just me and I'm not seeing it? Because I see no indicators. Looks like your typical 100 page bonus like was done before.
The next page is the real 200th one and it will be the last.
The next page is the real 200th one and it will be the last.
The final joke got me — punchline me. Well, I guess my comment won't be as impactful now, and I will have to delete my account due to the shame of having posted my comment early. Don't expect a new comment next week. I have embarrassed myself enough for a lifetime.
Bird Mountain
April 17th
Noooooooo!!! It ended. We need the Synder cut of Chibi Bra. Where's the director's cut with weeks of extra footage? What about the encore? The sequel series? I will sign a petition?! No?
Hey, serious jokes aside, you did some excellent work here, and I, for one, really loved this comic. It was great week after week. I am sad to see it end and for you to move on from this comic. But at least we got what we got, and what we got was special. Thanks for all the good memories and funny moments. I hope you find another project that keeps your creative spirit alight.
Sincerely,
Me
Webpage dbm_chibi-son-bra_200.html
Hey, serious jokes aside, you did some excellent work here, and I, for one, really loved this comic. It was great week after week. I am sad to see it end and for you to move on from this comic. But at least we got what we got, and what we got was special. Thanks for all the good memories and funny moments. I hope you find another project that keeps your creative spirit alight.
Sincerely,
Me
Bird Mountain
February 11th
I would like to request the summary if we can't get more pages. I quite enjoy this comic, and I thought the art was amazing! I have to know what was going to happen.
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Bird Mountain
February 10th
If anyone on the next panel says Mitty, I will lose it. There will be tears and laughter and tears from laughter. If you know, you know. If you don't, watch Made in Abyss, and don't spoil it for yourself.
DBMultiverse Special OAV - Broly Final War page 65
Bird Mountain
February 10th
ZenBuu was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: Looks really cool, but I can't seem to keep continuity with Gogeta's SSJ state. It seems every page is a roulette wheel of Super Saiya-Jin.
SSJ3 to normal back to SSJ? was Ultra Instinct thrown in there? Who knows. Back to SSJ3. Next page, maybe he will be using Kai-Oh-Ken next page.
Or as monster suggests, he may split.
Funny how it takes multiple people (Gogeta is a fusion of two people) to make the Rainbow Rasengan like in Naruto. I guess it is a lore accurate reference.
Gogeta was a SSJ3 the whole time, except for page 58 (well until page 61), where Old Kai told him to power down to his base.
After that he went SSJ3 again. Look at the missing eyebrows. But to be fair, at first I also thought he's just in SSJ the last pages.
That being said, awesome page. Kinda wish I could've also colored something in this comic. :D
SSJ3 to normal back to SSJ? was Ultra Instinct thrown in there? Who knows. Back to SSJ3. Next page, maybe he will be using Kai-Oh-Ken next page.
Or as monster suggests, he may split.
Funny how it takes multiple people (Gogeta is a fusion of two people) to make the Rainbow Rasengan like in Naruto. I guess it is a lore accurate reference.
Gogeta was a SSJ3 the whole time, except for page 58 (well until page 61), where Old Kai told him to power down to his base.
After that he went SSJ3 again. Look at the missing eyebrows. But to be fair, at first I also thought he's just in SSJ the last pages.
That being said, awesome page. Kinda wish I could've also colored something in this comic. :D
Thanks for the correction. Even the great Toriyama has been known to make mistakes... I missed the eye brows because I was too focused on the hair. Wait, I guess I was focused on hair in the wrong spot. Wait... That's even worse sounding. I meant I was looking at his head. Not in that way... not that there's anything wrong with that... Geez. You know what I mean.
Bird Mountain
February 10th
Looks really cool, but I can't seem to keep continuity with Gogeta's SSJ state. It seems every page is a roulette wheel of Super Saiya-Jin.
SSJ3 to normal back to SSJ? was Ultra Instinct thrown in there? Who knows. Back to SSJ3. Next page, maybe he will be using Kai-Oh-Ken next page.
Or as monster suggests, he may split.
Funny how it takes multiple people (Gogeta is a fusion of two people) to make the Rainbow Rasengan like in Naruto. I guess it is a lore accurate reference. 1 Replie(s)
DBMultiverse Special OAV - Broly Final War page 65
SSJ3 to normal back to SSJ? was Ultra Instinct thrown in there? Who knows. Back to SSJ3. Next page, maybe he will be using Kai-Oh-Ken next page.
Or as monster suggests, he may split.
Funny how it takes multiple people (Gogeta is a fusion of two people) to make the Rainbow Rasengan like in Naruto. I guess it is a lore accurate reference. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
February 8th
BangBang was saying:
Yeah, amazing self control there.
Yep. Indeed it is. I can only hear Kronk saying, "I hope that does not come back to haunt me." Then, Majin Bra appears in foreshadowing shadow.
Let's try this parenting logic in other situations.
Scenario 1:
Bra is on a strict diet for a modeling gig. Vegetto leaves a Double-Powered Donut Pancake Surprise on the table. It’s oozing chocolate, glowing with divine energy, and humming the theme song of temptation itself. Bra watches an internet model, gets depressed, then devours the dessert in a single bite.
Vegetto: “I know you didn’t mean to eat that. You’ve passed the self-control test.”
Everyone: “…Vegetto, that’s not how self-control works.”
Bra now uses the new Ozempic called Majin to lose weight fast.
Scenario 2:
Bra, now motivated by Vegetto’s “wisdom,” decides to test herself further. She goes to a political rally for a party she despises. It’s a heated event, kind of like a tournament that has a lot of villains in it. Someone says something so absurd that it triggers her Saiyan instincts.
In an effort to “just slap them a little,” she punches them so hard they are killed and sent to the front of the line to meet King Yemma.
Vegetto: “I know you didn’t mean to vaporize them into quantum nothingness. You’ve passed the self-control test.”
Cops: “Blonde girl!!! Get down on the ground!!! Place your hands behind your back!!! You’re under arrest.”
Vegetto stands there with his thumbs up smiling as if in an 70/80’s TV show ending card with ending song playing. (This is of what Officer Barbrady in Chicken Lover was a parody. Police Squad used to do these in a hilarious way too. Both of those are old references.)
One can only hope that the jury is politically aligned with Bra and even then… Regardless, this is how you get genocides.
Scenario 3:
In Vegetto’s next masterclass in self-control, he takes Bra, a recovering drug addict, to a drug house.
Vegetto: “We’re training self-control. You got this!”
Bra: “Yeah, I got this.” Bra walks into the house alone. While walking alone, Bra remembers how she was alone for most of youth. Her father was always off fighting battles to save the universe, but he never had time for her. These thoughts bring up so many bad feelings buried beneath her false confidence and bravado. Despite her best efforts, Bra caves in and takes drugs.
Vegetto: “I know you didn’t mean to relapse. You’ve passed the self-control test.”
Judge: “Mr. Vegetto, I am going to throw the book at her as if Broly threw it. She’s on parole after killing her brother and an entire civilization. I told you after her parole she had better be a more model citizen than Mother Theresa. Doing drugs and killing people is not model citizen, Mr. Vegetto. You hear me, Ms. Bra. Any of this getting into your thick Saiyan skull? I am revoking your parole, Ms. Bra. Take her into custody, Officer Ghast. ”
Bra on trial:
Speaking of court can you imagine the trial of Son Bra?
Goten on the stand.
Goten (in an oddly refined British accent): “She murdered me.”
Defense Barrister (adjusting monocle): “She murdered you?”
Goten: “I got better.”
The defense barrister pounces:
“Your Honor, as my client’s alleged victim is standing here alive, the charge of murder is inappropriate! Murder must be permanent! Temporary death does not sustain the charge.”
Crown Prosecutor: “Murder is simply the unlawful act of rendering a person dead. If someone is at any point so unquestionably, scientifically, and morally dead that they stand in line to meet King Yemma or meet King Yemma himself, then the charge of murder is sustained—
(dramatic pause)
—regardless of divine resurrections, time-traveling medical interventions, or wish-granting dragons.”
Judge: “Hmm… Is it the case that murder assumes death is permanent? And because of that assumption, does the charge then become inappropriate?”
Crown Prosecutor: “Your Honor, the state religion acknowledges at least two persons for whom death was not permanent. It would be grossly inconsistent for the Crown to deny that possibility now!”
Judge: “Mr. Crown Prosecutor, you may proceed.”
Defense Barrister: ”Your honor, we do have an appeal on your decision to disallow a Sheron wish for the trial to end in not guilty for the Defense, and, as Your Honor remembers, we are waiting for the Dragon Balls to gather enough energy to grant wishes again after having wished Bra’s vi— friends back to life after an alleged incident. I would like to renew my motion to continue the trial until such decision is rendered as it may make the trial moot.”
Judge: “You have to have the trial in order to wish it ended a certain way. Let’s proceed.”
Bird Mountain
February 6th
happywarrior99 was saying:
Are you sure? On this page U5 XXI is show planning to something to U16 Bra. U5 XXI calling U16 Bra beautiful implies that he wants to posses her body.
Friendly reminder that the Bra show on Bardock's visions from page 418 has U18 Bra's svelte body type instead of having U16 Bra's muscles, and the Bra show on that vision has a ponytail, a ponytail that U16 Bra does not have anymore since her talk with U18 Bra.
Are you sure? On this page U5 XXI is show planning to something to U16 Bra. U5 XXI calling U16 Bra beautiful implies that he wants to posses her body.
Friendly reminder that the Bra show on Bardock's visions from page 418 has U18 Bra's svelte body type instead of having U16 Bra's muscles, and the Bra show on that vision has a ponytail, a ponytail that U16 Bra does not have anymore since her talk with U18 Bra.
I meant she will be okay if Vegetto takes a few minutes to do what Goten suggests is take a dump.
Regardless, I forgot how much I liked the ponytail; she looked cute with it. Thanks for reminder.
As far as Bardock's vision... I can only assume that Bra has been replaced by an evil multiverse twin... wait, she's the evil twin (joke). Maybe there is a shapeshifter or perhaps there was a wish on some Dragon Balls for more rubber bands. But I suppose, you're ultimately correct that I don't know if Bra will be okay, and even though I think she is a young lady who needs to mature, I hope she is okay in the end.
(I am just joking back with you. Don't take my response as serious advocacy of any position.) (edited to keep my message below)
Bird Mountain
February 6th
SuperKamiGuru was saying:
She is such a spoiled Brat.
Vegito didn't ignore her, he said "hang on". Obviously there's an emergency.
Vegito didn't ignore her, he said "hang on". Obviously there's an emergency.
I have to say that was my first thought too. You walk up to someone and start a conversation, and they say hang on in the first few syllables, you don't get to act all upset. You may have been interrupting them when you started talking. She can't place herself in the frame of mind of others. Please, Bra, have a little bit of patience; nothing you are about to say was so important that it can't wait (from the characters' perspectives) for a short time. You have a whole ceremony and an another battle before it becomes urgent. Plus, you kind of acted unilaterally without the rest of your universe's buy-in. If they needed to know so badly, perhaps they should have been told before you did what you did. Obviously, you thought they could wait to find out.
And it doesn't make it retroactively okay if she would have said something relevant in hindsight by future plot developments; what she knows is that there is no problem at the moment, and there is merely not urgent information to convey.
I know there is only a single panel, but she could have considered that they exist in a universe that has people who can sense things remotely that other's cannot. Maybe consider there are other things going on besides you.
"Hey daddy, I am your little girl, and I am entitled to be heard by you any time I have something to say regardless of what you have going on, or I will get upset and be so mad at you, Daddy. I will tell everyone how abusive you are, Daddy. I have the post to social media ready, Daddy! I just have to hit send. Next, your other children will go see King Kai for a few days if you don't turn around and listen to me right now, Daddy." I know she's not saying that exactly, but she can come off a little bit like that when she doesn't consider that there are more things going on in others' lives than what's going on in Bra's life.
Yeah, it is a normal response, but it is also not correct when people do it normally. If I walk up to my boss, and start talking and she says hang on because she had something important to take care of, I don't act a little bit hurt because my boss was ignoring me. That is a lot unprofessional, and if I were to complain, my coworkers would definitely tell me to stop. I go back to my boss, and I ask, "Hey,boss, is now a good time? You know that thing that I screwed up? Yeah, it is way worse than I thought." And that is how I became familiar with the unemployment laws in my state.
I don't think Bra is the devil, and I just chalk this up to being an immature teenager who is a little bit rude. She will be okay.
Also, Goten for the win for defusing the unnecessary situation by giving Vegetto the benefit of the doubt. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
February 4th
Damian Qualshy was saying:
Chibaku Tensei?
You thought no one would notice your joke/pun. But I did, and I thought it was a good one.
Master Krillen's face while riding the boat is priceless. Krillen improved Vegeta's life. I want to study under Master Krillen, he knows how to do big things with so little. He gets things way out of his league, and I am impressed. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
February 2nd
ZenBuu was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: What does victim blaming mean in this context? Also, what does getting reported for victim blaming mean?
I don't want to anger the mods and/or get unfairly or unjustly reported for having an opinion on Bra's culpability. Honestly, I don't know the limits and parameters of the rules at the moment because of the no victim blaming and getting reported if you victim blame thing. One can argue that everything Bra is and does is in some way caused by the precieved (and it is even unclear who is the one has to perceive) abuse, and every criticism of Bra is victim blaming. I am not trying to backseat mod; I am seeking clarity.
You know, I just realized that I am writing a comment to seek rules clarity on whether or not I can express a negative opinion on a fictional character, and that seems ridiculous to me.
I think the rules are pretty clear to understand for most people and we are sometimes even pretty relaxed about it and not so harsh, otherwise the comment section would be a lot more empty. So to be clear again, as long as you don't get rude and insult or trying to provoke other people here, you should be fine.
As for reporting, those reports do basically not much (I read all comments anyway), in the end it's still the moderators who decide if that report is justified or not and if we have to intervene. Actually, this can even backfire, if you abuse the report function. Just Saiyan. :D
I don't want to anger the mods and/or get unfairly or unjustly reported for having an opinion on Bra's culpability. Honestly, I don't know the limits and parameters of the rules at the moment because of the no victim blaming and getting reported if you victim blame thing. One can argue that everything Bra is and does is in some way caused by the precieved (and it is even unclear who is the one has to perceive) abuse, and every criticism of Bra is victim blaming. I am not trying to backseat mod; I am seeking clarity.
You know, I just realized that I am writing a comment to seek rules clarity on whether or not I can express a negative opinion on a fictional character, and that seems ridiculous to me.
I think the rules are pretty clear to understand for most people and we are sometimes even pretty relaxed about it and not so harsh, otherwise the comment section would be a lot more empty. So to be clear again, as long as you don't get rude and insult or trying to provoke other people here, you should be fine.
As for reporting, those reports do basically not much (I read all comments anyway), in the end it's still the moderators who decide if that report is justified or not and if we have to intervene. Actually, this can even backfire, if you abuse the report function. Just Saiyan. :D
Thanks, ZB. That does clear things up for me. I appreciate the the clarity.
Bird Mountain
February 2nd
What does victim blaming mean in this context? Also, what does getting reported for victim blaming mean?
I don't want to anger the mods and/or get unfairly or unjustly reported for having an opinion on Bra's culpability. Honestly, I don't know the limits and parameters of the rules at the moment because of the no victim blaming and getting reported if you victim blame thing. One can argue that everything Bra is and does is in some way caused by the precieved (and it is even unclear who is the one has to perceive) abuse, and every criticism of Bra is victim blaming. I am not trying to backseat mod; I am seeking clarity.
You know, I just realized that I am writing a comment to seek rules clarity on whether or not I can express a negative opinion on a fictional character, and that seems ridiculous to me. 1 Replie(s)
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I don't want to anger the mods and/or get unfairly or unjustly reported for having an opinion on Bra's culpability. Honestly, I don't know the limits and parameters of the rules at the moment because of the no victim blaming and getting reported if you victim blame thing. One can argue that everything Bra is and does is in some way caused by the precieved (and it is even unclear who is the one has to perceive) abuse, and every criticism of Bra is victim blaming. I am not trying to backseat mod; I am seeking clarity.
You know, I just realized that I am writing a comment to seek rules clarity on whether or not I can express a negative opinion on a fictional character, and that seems ridiculous to me. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
February 2nd
Super Gojita 3 was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: AberrantDesign was saying:
This reads like a reply, but I have absolutely no idea who you're talking to
I am not trying to respond to anyone in particular. If I did, I think it would cause more issues. I decided to make a general statement and hope for the best. Sorry for the confusion.
ANON was saying: Bird Mountain was saying:
My fellow Earthicans, this is a comic
Most triumphant!
@PrimeFighter,
doing my thing? What is my thing? Haha hahaha, and yes, I do appreciate being able to do my thing. (Referring to a comment that seems to gone the way of Zen Buu from the tournament).
Super Gojita 3 was saying:
Stuff about parents, fusion, and Bra's inability to fight Babidi's magic.
Maybe Bra couldn't fight the spell like Vegeta, but for me, this once again shows the irresponsibility of Vegetto and Gohan and Piccolo. Bra has clearly been unstable and having a Broly/Vegeta inability to control her more negative aspects. As has been pointed out, she committed genocide and fratricide, and she's on her way to being the most powerful being in her universe. Bringing Bra to a tournament where one MAY encounter Babidi is entirely reckless, especially as the tournament continued and they actually see Babidi. Bra should have been trained to resist such things and to limit the negative aspects of her personality so that she doesn't fall prey to such attacks. Vegetto, while perhaps susceptible to the spell as well, at least has a reasonable basis to believe that he is either immune (Gokou's nature) or completely resistant via Vegeta's experience. Even if Vegetto fell pray to it, I think it would be a mistake or unforeseen as opposed to Bra, who was completely predictable. Looking at the entirety of the situation and not just the microcosm of tournament, Bra is a grave threat to her universe. Vegetto may be unstable himself, but while he may be a strict father and a little bit more Vegeta in the Saiyan saga than Gokou fighting Devil Man, nothing I have seen makes him a likely intergalactic threat to the universe. Vegetto could fall prey to something that renders him under an evil being's control or exaggerates his worst traits, but Vegetto on his own with no external influence is not going to blow up the entire universe. Based on the history of the universe and the tournament, we can only hope that Bra does not lose control and blow up the universe. And, that's a stark difference between Bra and Vegetto that I hope is not glosssed over.
Furthermore, even if Bra couldn't resist the spell, it doesn't necessarily excuse her behavior. She did no (or little) reflection on her behavior after killing her brother and blowing up an entire civilization. She did no (or little) reflection on her behavior upon nearly killing her father. These were warning signs that she was heading for disaster, but she continued like she was the greatest thing since before hydrogen.
Let's analogize here for a minute to hopefully gain some insight into the morality of the situation — in hopes we can understand each other better. I liken Bra's situation to a repeated drunk driver. Bra has been busted by the cops multiple times driving drunk. She was told not to do it anymore, even threatened with extreme penalties. She continues to drink and drive. She even caused a major accident that cost peoples' lives, and due to a technical legal loophole (like there was an error on the warrant to draw her blood even though the results show she was many times over the limit), she did not go to jail when she should have. Wow, what luck! Maybe she will reflect now... Nope. After a few weeks, she's at it again. She's drunk and driving again. But this time, someone else ran a red light in front of her, and she swerved and killed several families in a few vehicles. You can say that it was the red light runner who ultimately caused everything, but regardless, Bra is going to jail, and for a lot more than just another simple drunk driving charge. Maybe in the final situation, her actions may have been the same even if she was sober, but she wasn't. She placed herself in the situation in which she knew she was impaired. And ultimately, we may never know how much her drunkenness contributed to the accident.
So, to me, and I suspect others, Bra fighting in the tournament is getting drunk behind the wheel again. Bra's genocide and fratricide are the equivalent of killing a family or two while being drunk (drunk is equivalent to SSJ2). She side-swipped another car while drunk by nearly killing Vegetto in space. She killed Zangya while drunk.
By allowing her in the tournament and to continue in the tournament, her father and brother and green dad handed her a beer and the keys and said remember to stay between the lines this time, kiddo. I do not accept the Babidi defense for the overall situation while I do agree that it is a mitigating factor, though a small mitigating factor, in the Majin arc. I know people will have differing mileage on this idea, but it is not insanity to view the Majin spell as a continuation of Bra's bad behavior even if she wasn't directly responsible for all the bad things that happened.
I truly hope Bra has completely changed and grown from Majinization, but as everyone has pointed out, it has only been a day. She needs more history and demonstrated growth to earn my trust that she is different now, and honestly, narratively, I may not want her to be all good now. I may want her to continue to struggle and struggle in a way to provide more growth to her arc and provide more drama for the other characters to deal with. I may want her to fail and force the other fighters to deal with her and struggle with what must be done. I can hate Bra, as a person, while also appreciating her role in the narrative and potential for good story.
I know this is not the response you are expecting because I am side-stepping the issue of whether Bra could or could not resist the spell. I honestly am not sure. Vegetto seems to think she could have or at least should have been able to. Bra and most of the rest of the cast thinks the best way to treat Bra's alcoholism is to give her better beer and drinking buddies. <--- that's a joke. They think she couldn't resist it. I think she should have been able to resist it, but I do think her own self-control issues prevented her from being able to resist it. Her inability to control her SSJ2 nature had already reduced her ability to exercise her will in that state, and the spell was another layer on top. Vegeta was not one to lose control of himself in Great Ape nor SSJ2 so he could focus his will much easier to resist Babidi. (to repeat the point though, if Bra could control herself in SSJ2 normally...)
(though I am harsh to Bra here. I am actually a huge proponent of jury nullification for prosecution overreach and overzealousness. I don't look to convict is my point.)
>(though I am harsh to Bra here. I am actually a huge proponent of jury nullification for prosecution overreach and overzealousness. I don't look to convict is my point.)
ok. on that note, I doubt being a biological heir to vegeta or vegetto matters, as kakarot who is goku, was unable to resist the majin seal either. and goku himself was immune.
I don't think biology is the issue or parents.
vegeta was immune because he deliberately made himself a target, braced for it, and was able to muster the mental fortitude despite babadis magic being too strong for 99% of the universes evil doers.
So it could very well be that bra is just not mentally fortified, and she was asleep when she was brain washed, didn't see it coming and so on. so of course she couldn't resist.
bra, on the contrary, she was ideal for being a brain washed servant.
she's not a pure good being, let alone pure evil, and that mental imbalance would corrupt more, imo.
she's also got control issues. think like rage mode gohan, but on steroids, and we did see this a bit with ssj goku and ssj2 gohan. later he did seem to control this, but gohan wanted to torture cell and make him suffer.
ssj2 bra is just a wild berserker, until recently that is.
This reads like a reply, but I have absolutely no idea who you're talking to
I am not trying to respond to anyone in particular. If I did, I think it would cause more issues. I decided to make a general statement and hope for the best. Sorry for the confusion.
ANON was saying: Bird Mountain was saying:
My fellow Earthicans, this is a comic
Most triumphant!
@PrimeFighter,
doing my thing? What is my thing? Haha hahaha, and yes, I do appreciate being able to do my thing. (Referring to a comment that seems to gone the way of Zen Buu from the tournament).
Super Gojita 3 was saying:
Stuff about parents, fusion, and Bra's inability to fight Babidi's magic.
Maybe Bra couldn't fight the spell like Vegeta, but for me, this once again shows the irresponsibility of Vegetto and Gohan and Piccolo. Bra has clearly been unstable and having a Broly/Vegeta inability to control her more negative aspects. As has been pointed out, she committed genocide and fratricide, and she's on her way to being the most powerful being in her universe. Bringing Bra to a tournament where one MAY encounter Babidi is entirely reckless, especially as the tournament continued and they actually see Babidi. Bra should have been trained to resist such things and to limit the negative aspects of her personality so that she doesn't fall prey to such attacks. Vegetto, while perhaps susceptible to the spell as well, at least has a reasonable basis to believe that he is either immune (Gokou's nature) or completely resistant via Vegeta's experience. Even if Vegetto fell pray to it, I think it would be a mistake or unforeseen as opposed to Bra, who was completely predictable. Looking at the entirety of the situation and not just the microcosm of tournament, Bra is a grave threat to her universe. Vegetto may be unstable himself, but while he may be a strict father and a little bit more Vegeta in the Saiyan saga than Gokou fighting Devil Man, nothing I have seen makes him a likely intergalactic threat to the universe. Vegetto could fall prey to something that renders him under an evil being's control or exaggerates his worst traits, but Vegetto on his own with no external influence is not going to blow up the entire universe. Based on the history of the universe and the tournament, we can only hope that Bra does not lose control and blow up the universe. And, that's a stark difference between Bra and Vegetto that I hope is not glosssed over.
Furthermore, even if Bra couldn't resist the spell, it doesn't necessarily excuse her behavior. She did no (or little) reflection on her behavior after killing her brother and blowing up an entire civilization. She did no (or little) reflection on her behavior upon nearly killing her father. These were warning signs that she was heading for disaster, but she continued like she was the greatest thing since before hydrogen.
Let's analogize here for a minute to hopefully gain some insight into the morality of the situation — in hopes we can understand each other better. I liken Bra's situation to a repeated drunk driver. Bra has been busted by the cops multiple times driving drunk. She was told not to do it anymore, even threatened with extreme penalties. She continues to drink and drive. She even caused a major accident that cost peoples' lives, and due to a technical legal loophole (like there was an error on the warrant to draw her blood even though the results show she was many times over the limit), she did not go to jail when she should have. Wow, what luck! Maybe she will reflect now... Nope. After a few weeks, she's at it again. She's drunk and driving again. But this time, someone else ran a red light in front of her, and she swerved and killed several families in a few vehicles. You can say that it was the red light runner who ultimately caused everything, but regardless, Bra is going to jail, and for a lot more than just another simple drunk driving charge. Maybe in the final situation, her actions may have been the same even if she was sober, but she wasn't. She placed herself in the situation in which she knew she was impaired. And ultimately, we may never know how much her drunkenness contributed to the accident.
So, to me, and I suspect others, Bra fighting in the tournament is getting drunk behind the wheel again. Bra's genocide and fratricide are the equivalent of killing a family or two while being drunk (drunk is equivalent to SSJ2). She side-swipped another car while drunk by nearly killing Vegetto in space. She killed Zangya while drunk.
By allowing her in the tournament and to continue in the tournament, her father and brother and green dad handed her a beer and the keys and said remember to stay between the lines this time, kiddo. I do not accept the Babidi defense for the overall situation while I do agree that it is a mitigating factor, though a small mitigating factor, in the Majin arc. I know people will have differing mileage on this idea, but it is not insanity to view the Majin spell as a continuation of Bra's bad behavior even if she wasn't directly responsible for all the bad things that happened.
I truly hope Bra has completely changed and grown from Majinization, but as everyone has pointed out, it has only been a day. She needs more history and demonstrated growth to earn my trust that she is different now, and honestly, narratively, I may not want her to be all good now. I may want her to continue to struggle and struggle in a way to provide more growth to her arc and provide more drama for the other characters to deal with. I may want her to fail and force the other fighters to deal with her and struggle with what must be done. I can hate Bra, as a person, while also appreciating her role in the narrative and potential for good story.
I know this is not the response you are expecting because I am side-stepping the issue of whether Bra could or could not resist the spell. I honestly am not sure. Vegetto seems to think she could have or at least should have been able to. Bra and most of the rest of the cast thinks the best way to treat Bra's alcoholism is to give her better beer and drinking buddies. <--- that's a joke. They think she couldn't resist it. I think she should have been able to resist it, but I do think her own self-control issues prevented her from being able to resist it. Her inability to control her SSJ2 nature had already reduced her ability to exercise her will in that state, and the spell was another layer on top. Vegeta was not one to lose control of himself in Great Ape nor SSJ2 so he could focus his will much easier to resist Babidi. (to repeat the point though, if Bra could control herself in SSJ2 normally...)
(though I am harsh to Bra here. I am actually a huge proponent of jury nullification for prosecution overreach and overzealousness. I don't look to convict is my point.)
>(though I am harsh to Bra here. I am actually a huge proponent of jury nullification for prosecution overreach and overzealousness. I don't look to convict is my point.)
ok. on that note, I doubt being a biological heir to vegeta or vegetto matters, as kakarot who is goku, was unable to resist the majin seal either. and goku himself was immune.
I don't think biology is the issue or parents.
vegeta was immune because he deliberately made himself a target, braced for it, and was able to muster the mental fortitude despite babadis magic being too strong for 99% of the universes evil doers.
So it could very well be that bra is just not mentally fortified, and she was asleep when she was brain washed, didn't see it coming and so on. so of course she couldn't resist.
bra, on the contrary, she was ideal for being a brain washed servant.
she's not a pure good being, let alone pure evil, and that mental imbalance would corrupt more, imo.
she's also got control issues. think like rage mode gohan, but on steroids, and we did see this a bit with ssj goku and ssj2 gohan. later he did seem to control this, but gohan wanted to torture cell and make him suffer.
ssj2 bra is just a wild berserker, until recently that is.
Yay! We have some agreement here. I agree she is like a berserker in SSJ2, until recently (hopefully no longer). I agree she has control issues like Gohan on steroids! And yeah, Gohan and Gokou get corrupted by SSJ forms, which is supposedly one of the reasons why Genki Dama can't be used in a SSJ form.
I can agree that Vegeta may have prepared himself some, but it was not a once and done type of thing. Vegeta had to exert himself until Babidi gave up trying to give him orders. Every time Babidi ordered him to kill KaiOhShin, Vegeta had to really exert himself. While some preparation may have helped initially, I don't think it is a total or even the greatest factor in Vegeta's ability to resist. This to me implies that Bra, if she was more mature and able to control herself in SSJ2 better, could have resisted each command and each action, even if she initially did not resist. This suggests to me that perhaps her berserker state has more to do with it than her initial reaction to being controlled.
I still believe Majin Bra was a great idea, and having her fail to resist is a great narrative idea. I am not trying to say that she should have resisted from a story perspective. I am saying from a moral culpability and why I don't like her as a person perspective to be clear.
Bird Mountain
February 2nd
AberrantDesign was saying:
This reads like a reply, but I have absolutely no idea who you're talking to
This reads like a reply, but I have absolutely no idea who you're talking to
I am not trying to respond to anyone in particular. If I did, I think it would cause more issues. I decided to make a general statement and hope for the best. Sorry for the confusion.
ANON was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying:
My fellow Earthicans, this is a comic
My fellow Earthicans, this is a comic
Most triumphant!
@PrimeFighter,
doing my thing? What is my thing? Haha hahaha, and yes, I do appreciate being able to do my thing. (Referring to a comment that seems to gone the way of Zen Buu from the tournament).
Super Gojita 3 was saying:
Stuff about parents, fusion, and Bra's inability to fight Babidi's magic.
Stuff about parents, fusion, and Bra's inability to fight Babidi's magic.
Maybe Bra couldn't fight the spell like Vegeta, but for me, this once again shows the irresponsibility of Vegetto and Gohan and Piccolo. Bra has clearly been unstable and having a Broly/Vegeta inability to control her more negative aspects. As has been pointed out, she committed genocide and fratricide, and she's on her way to being the most powerful being in her universe. Bringing Bra to a tournament where one MAY encounter Babidi is entirely reckless, especially as the tournament continued and they actually see Babidi. Bra should have been trained to resist such things and to limit the negative aspects of her personality so that she doesn't fall prey to such attacks. Vegetto, while perhaps susceptible to the spell as well, at least has a reasonable basis to believe that he is either immune (Gokou's nature) or completely resistant via Vegeta's experience. Even if Vegetto fell pray to it, I think it would be a mistake or unforeseen as opposed to Bra, who was completely predictable. Looking at the entirety of the situation and not just the microcosm of tournament, Bra is a grave threat to her universe. Vegetto may be unstable himself, but while he may be a strict father and a little bit more Vegeta in the Saiyan saga than Gokou fighting Devil Man, nothing I have seen makes him a likely intergalactic threat to the universe. Vegetto could fall prey to something that renders him under an evil being's control or exaggerates his worst traits, but Vegetto on his own with no external influence is not going to blow up the entire universe. Based on the history of the universe and the tournament, we can only hope that Bra does not lose control and blow up the universe. And, that's a stark difference between Bra and Vegetto that I hope is not glosssed over.
Furthermore, even if Bra couldn't resist the spell, it doesn't necessarily excuse her behavior. She did no (or little) reflection on her behavior after killing her brother and blowing up an entire civilization. She did no (or little) reflection on her behavior upon nearly killing her father. These were warning signs that she was heading for disaster, but she continued like she was the greatest thing since before hydrogen.
Let's analogize here for a minute to hopefully gain some insight into the morality of the situation — in hopes we can understand each other better. I liken Bra's situation to a repeated drunk driver. Bra has been busted by the cops multiple times driving drunk. She was told not to do it anymore, even threatened with extreme penalties. She continues to drink and drive. She even caused a major accident that cost peoples' lives, and due to a technical legal loophole (like there was an error on the warrant to draw her blood even though the results show she was many times over the limit), she did not go to jail when she should have. Wow, what luck! Maybe she will reflect now... Nope. After a few weeks, she's at it again. She's drunk and driving again. But this time, someone else ran a red light in front of her, and she swerved and killed several families in a few vehicles. You can say that it was the red light runner who ultimately caused everything, but regardless, Bra is going to jail, and for a lot more than just another simple drunk driving charge. Maybe in the final situation, her actions may have been the same even if she was sober, but she wasn't. She placed herself in the situation in which she knew she was impaired. And ultimately, we may never know how much her drunkenness contributed to the accident.
So, to me, and I suspect others, Bra fighting in the tournament is getting drunk behind the wheel again. Bra's genocide and fratricide are the equivalent of killing a family or two while being drunk (drunk is equivalent to SSJ2). She side-swipped another car while drunk by nearly killing Vegetto in space. She killed Zangya while drunk.
By allowing her in the tournament and to continue in the tournament, her father and brother and green dad handed her a beer and the keys and said remember to stay between the lines this time, kiddo. I do not accept the Babidi defense for the overall situation while I do agree that it is a mitigating factor, though a small mitigating factor, in the Majin arc. I know people will have differing mileage on this idea, but it is not insanity to view the Majin spell as a continuation of Bra's bad behavior even if she wasn't directly responsible for all the bad things that happened.
I truly hope Bra has completely changed and grown from Majinization, but as everyone has pointed out, it has only been a day. She needs more history and demonstrated growth to earn my trust that she is different now, and honestly, narratively, I may not want her to be all good now. I may want her to continue to struggle and struggle in a way to provide more growth to her arc and provide more drama for the other characters to deal with. I may want her to fail and force the other fighters to deal with her and struggle with what must be done. I can hate Bra, as a person, while also appreciating her role in the narrative and potential for good story.
I know this is not the response you are expecting because I am side-stepping the issue of whether Bra could or could not resist the spell. I honestly am not sure. Vegetto seems to think she could have or at least should have been able to. Bra and most of the rest of the cast thinks the best way to treat Bra's alcoholism is to give her better beer and drinking buddies. <--- that's a joke. They think she couldn't resist it. I think she should have been able to resist it, but I do think her own self-control issues prevented her from being able to resist it. Her inability to control her SSJ2 nature had already reduced her ability to exercise her will in that state, and the spell was another layer on top. Vegeta was not one to lose control of himself in Great Ape nor SSJ2 so he could focus his will much easier to resist Babidi. (to repeat the point though, if Bra could control herself in SSJ2 normally...)
(though I am harsh to Bra here. I am actually a huge proponent of jury nullification for prosecution overreach and overzealousness. I don't look to convict is my point.) 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
February 1st
Oh, everyone who disagrees with me about a character is very often, if not always, irrational. Also, let me list all the qualities of a character that may lead someone to have a different opinion than I do while I call them completely irrational.
My fellow Earthicans, this is a comic, and it is okay if someone rationally or irrationally hates or loves a character. Our pearls are not going anywhere. I may like octopus on pizza, and you may not. Whether you do or not doesn't change my enjoyment of pizza. I can read 100k comments that say octopus on pizza is awful, and I will still enjoy my pizza. Substitute Bra for pizza, and you get octopus on Bra. She would probably look cute with octopus on her.
I meant that it doesn't matter if all of you had a different opinion on her. It means you have different tastes and see things differently. It doesn't mean you are irrational necessarily; it provides no evidence either way on that question. I don't have to justify liking or disliking anyone. I have dated girls that I couldn't explain why I liked them (I am lying; I imagined dating...). She just had it going on, and even today years after going our separate ways, I just like her. I know she has flaws, and there are legit criticisms I have and others have of her (I did break up with her, and I would not date her again), but none of that changes how I feel no matter how well or unwell I defend my reasons for liking her. Sometimes feelings are just feelings and have justifications that even the feeler may not be aware of consciously. Many opinions do not have to refer to something objective. Liking or disliking do not refer to facts, unlike if I were to say it is my "opinion" that Bra is 48 years old. Therefore, in the liking case as opposed to the age "opinion", the liking opinion is inherently true because my opinion is my opinion. It is self-validating where age can be validated against external to the "opinion" information. (The age example is simple in order to communicate the idea. We can use different examples, but it may be less clear)
This is an insidious game that we play here. If I don't agree with your assessment of Bra, I can ask (or demand) an explanation of why you think differently. Graciously, you offer your explanation. I can always claim, even reasonably or logically, that your explanation is insufficient to justify your assessment. I can always claim that; obviously you do think it is sufficient because you hold that opinion. (This is the problem of sufficiency, and there is a great illustration of it in a book called What Achilles said to the Tortoise). I can also always reject the premise upon which you base your opinion too, but that's just opening another layer here. Basically, I can be rational in my rejection of your rationally based opinion. In other words two perfectly rational beings can rationally reject each other's arguments. This just means that unless all parties agree and engage with the same rules and limitations, communication (the transfer of one idea from one person to another) is impossible, even with a googolplexian of words.
Now, especially with media (culture) and politics (redundant I know), we have emotional and other interests in the outcome. Will something I love become something I don't love? Or will it remain something that I love? So, we will rely on the fallacy of popularity. If more people in comments agree with me, especially the mods who have authority, I am correct and rational while everyone else is irrational. But, that's a self-defeating take since it is fallacious and irrational. We have to rely on this popularity and authority take because there is no real objective test for liking or disliking a character or person. Our opinions are just as valid. Liking Bra is equally as valid as disliking her. There is no objective answer, and in this case, I think she is designed to cause controversy (if it is indeed intended I applaud the decision to do so, nothing gets the mind and passions going like controversy).
Instead of celebrating the diverse people who come to comment and share their perspectives, we must establish an orthodoxy, a correct opinion, a correct take, and the good guys vs the bad guys. You can't dislike Bra for being what she was (is) and doing what she did; that is insufficient justification and you did not express yourself in the manner and language in which I demand in order for me to validate your opinion. Sure, you can demand that I express my feelings and opinions in a certain manner, but I am not obligated to do so in order to have a true and valid opinion. My opinion in of itself is a true and valid opinion because I have it.
I understand the psychological and evolutionary biological and anthropological reasons that we are all engaged in this self-selection within the community over whether one should or should not like a character in a story, but I keep hoping to find a place (or make a place) that allows for these different opinions and allows for nuance. I bet if you asked Salagir, he would do things differently if he had the opportunity.
While I do express the above sentiments, the writers and artists are such brave and amazing people. I highly respect them for giving us a forum to discuss things, and they allow and engage with criticism (founded or unfounded). My criticisms where they are are small potatoes to the the respect I have for all who create and subject that creation to criticism. I may think we should have turned left at the last junction, but I am not driving the car...and that means something.
I have to go so I am posting unedited. I would have removed a lot if I didn't have to go. Sorry. (lightly edited for missing words and stuff) 2 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2449
My fellow Earthicans, this is a comic, and it is okay if someone rationally or irrationally hates or loves a character. Our pearls are not going anywhere. I may like octopus on pizza, and you may not. Whether you do or not doesn't change my enjoyment of pizza. I can read 100k comments that say octopus on pizza is awful, and I will still enjoy my pizza. Substitute Bra for pizza, and you get octopus on Bra. She would probably look cute with octopus on her.
I meant that it doesn't matter if all of you had a different opinion on her. It means you have different tastes and see things differently. It doesn't mean you are irrational necessarily; it provides no evidence either way on that question. I don't have to justify liking or disliking anyone. I have dated girls that I couldn't explain why I liked them (I am lying; I imagined dating...). She just had it going on, and even today years after going our separate ways, I just like her. I know she has flaws, and there are legit criticisms I have and others have of her (I did break up with her, and I would not date her again), but none of that changes how I feel no matter how well or unwell I defend my reasons for liking her. Sometimes feelings are just feelings and have justifications that even the feeler may not be aware of consciously. Many opinions do not have to refer to something objective. Liking or disliking do not refer to facts, unlike if I were to say it is my "opinion" that Bra is 48 years old. Therefore, in the liking case as opposed to the age "opinion", the liking opinion is inherently true because my opinion is my opinion. It is self-validating where age can be validated against external to the "opinion" information. (The age example is simple in order to communicate the idea. We can use different examples, but it may be less clear)
This is an insidious game that we play here. If I don't agree with your assessment of Bra, I can ask (or demand) an explanation of why you think differently. Graciously, you offer your explanation. I can always claim, even reasonably or logically, that your explanation is insufficient to justify your assessment. I can always claim that; obviously you do think it is sufficient because you hold that opinion. (This is the problem of sufficiency, and there is a great illustration of it in a book called What Achilles said to the Tortoise). I can also always reject the premise upon which you base your opinion too, but that's just opening another layer here. Basically, I can be rational in my rejection of your rationally based opinion. In other words two perfectly rational beings can rationally reject each other's arguments. This just means that unless all parties agree and engage with the same rules and limitations, communication (the transfer of one idea from one person to another) is impossible, even with a googolplexian of words.
Now, especially with media (culture) and politics (redundant I know), we have emotional and other interests in the outcome. Will something I love become something I don't love? Or will it remain something that I love? So, we will rely on the fallacy of popularity. If more people in comments agree with me, especially the mods who have authority, I am correct and rational while everyone else is irrational. But, that's a self-defeating take since it is fallacious and irrational. We have to rely on this popularity and authority take because there is no real objective test for liking or disliking a character or person. Our opinions are just as valid. Liking Bra is equally as valid as disliking her. There is no objective answer, and in this case, I think she is designed to cause controversy (if it is indeed intended I applaud the decision to do so, nothing gets the mind and passions going like controversy).
Instead of celebrating the diverse people who come to comment and share their perspectives, we must establish an orthodoxy, a correct opinion, a correct take, and the good guys vs the bad guys. You can't dislike Bra for being what she was (is) and doing what she did; that is insufficient justification and you did not express yourself in the manner and language in which I demand in order for me to validate your opinion. Sure, you can demand that I express my feelings and opinions in a certain manner, but I am not obligated to do so in order to have a true and valid opinion. My opinion in of itself is a true and valid opinion because I have it.
I understand the psychological and evolutionary biological and anthropological reasons that we are all engaged in this self-selection within the community over whether one should or should not like a character in a story, but I keep hoping to find a place (or make a place) that allows for these different opinions and allows for nuance. I bet if you asked Salagir, he would do things differently if he had the opportunity.
While I do express the above sentiments, the writers and artists are such brave and amazing people. I highly respect them for giving us a forum to discuss things, and they allow and engage with criticism (founded or unfounded). My criticisms where they are are small potatoes to the the respect I have for all who create and subject that creation to criticism. I may think we should have turned left at the last junction, but I am not driving the car...and that means something.
I have to go so I am posting unedited. I would have removed a lot if I didn't have to go. Sorry. (lightly edited for missing words and stuff) 2 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
February 1st
Ah yay!!! A Son Bra poop show!!!! I gotta get in on this.
I didn't like Bra pre-Majin. She's a precious scamp who was a little too full of herself despite her very concerning history of failures, and frankly, her lack of reflection on some of her acts makes her bravado worse. That being said, she was just a character that I didn't like because the story suggested that I should not like her. She's not a hero, nor anyone to look up to. She seemed like the kind of character you were meant to hope she would get her comeuppance down the road. Standard fare.
When Majinization happened, I thought it was a great idea! Give that teenage beast of a little lady a bit of humility and growth! Love it. Sadly, it ended with passive (groaaaaannnnnn), and mostly, I ended up not liking nearly all of the supposed good guys because of their recklessness in excusing Bra's objectively atrocious behavior (anyone watched Half-baked? The scene where the guy quits but says one person is cool. That's me with everyone with the cool Vegetto.). And I think this is the crux of the Bra issue for me. It isn't Bra herself; it is that Bra negatively affects my opinion of the other characters. She forces me to confront the failures of the other characters in dealing with the universal threat she is. Maybe, she has grown in the last day, but to continue to have the implicit and unchecked trust of the rest of the cast is incredibly irresponsible, and they bear a lot of responsibility for her actions. Gohan, Piccolo, Vegetto (though he wants to do something about it), Gast, Etc. Etc. Vegetto isn't immortal yet; who is going to rein her in? She goes berserk again, and she's now Broly with boobs and a limited power curve.
Anyways, what was I saying? I got distracted talking about Bra's threat. Oh, right..
Okay... So the Majin Arc while a great idea ended a little poorly. Hopefully, Bra has an active improvement and is no longer passive in her rehabilitation. I am ready to set aside for the moment the problems that I had with passive and accept that is where the story is at the moment. The Gast thing was a little bit of growth I suppose. But man, I feel a little bit teased. Okay, let's see where this goes. Gast fights the smoke monster. Cool. Now, Bra unilaterally comes up with this assessment of Gokou and XXI, and she decided on her own to barter a wish. Now, as some of you point out, Bra doesn't know everything about XXI, but we do. And We see where this is going, and when I saw this page, I immediately thought, "well, that's not going to get people to like Bra more. One screw up after another. Oof." She didn't distrust her own judgment (which has been definitively shown to be subpar) enough to see if it was a good idea with her much wiser family and support group. At least, at that point, the responsibility of what's to come would be greatly diminished (or rather more distributed among the rest of the cast).
I don't know exactly where this story is going right now, as it can branch in many directions easily. I am willing to give the story and Bra a chance at this point, but I do not think it is unreasonable for those who think Bra is an immature and irresponsible overly-powerful killer that has had insufficient character growth to expect that she is going to do something immature and reckless without sufficient consideration of the consequences that ends up putting people's lives in danger because she has a history of doing such things. And even if she doesn't know, we the audience can reasonably foresee how her actions can (and likely will) go wrong. Maybe she needs a break from controversy.
Of course of course, some people hate too much and some people defend too blindly. Yes, yes, I know. Reasonable people can disagree, and as I stated recently, part of the controversy for me is that there is such a diverse way of interpreting Bra's actions in the comments, while there seems to be too much agreement among the cast of DBM. That feels artificial to me. This is not the worst thing in the world, but I see the world from my perspective as it is the only perspective to which I have sufficient access.
Hopefully, this is an acceptable contribution to the Bra poop show.
DB Multiverse page 2449
I didn't like Bra pre-Majin. She's a precious scamp who was a little too full of herself despite her very concerning history of failures, and frankly, her lack of reflection on some of her acts makes her bravado worse. That being said, she was just a character that I didn't like because the story suggested that I should not like her. She's not a hero, nor anyone to look up to. She seemed like the kind of character you were meant to hope she would get her comeuppance down the road. Standard fare.
When Majinization happened, I thought it was a great idea! Give that teenage beast of a little lady a bit of humility and growth! Love it. Sadly, it ended with passive (groaaaaannnnnn), and mostly, I ended up not liking nearly all of the supposed good guys because of their recklessness in excusing Bra's objectively atrocious behavior (anyone watched Half-baked? The scene where the guy quits but says one person is cool. That's me with everyone with the cool Vegetto.). And I think this is the crux of the Bra issue for me. It isn't Bra herself; it is that Bra negatively affects my opinion of the other characters. She forces me to confront the failures of the other characters in dealing with the universal threat she is. Maybe, she has grown in the last day, but to continue to have the implicit and unchecked trust of the rest of the cast is incredibly irresponsible, and they bear a lot of responsibility for her actions. Gohan, Piccolo, Vegetto (though he wants to do something about it), Gast, Etc. Etc. Vegetto isn't immortal yet; who is going to rein her in? She goes berserk again, and she's now Broly with boobs and a limited power curve.
Anyways, what was I saying? I got distracted talking about Bra's threat. Oh, right..
Okay... So the Majin Arc while a great idea ended a little poorly. Hopefully, Bra has an active improvement and is no longer passive in her rehabilitation. I am ready to set aside for the moment the problems that I had with passive and accept that is where the story is at the moment. The Gast thing was a little bit of growth I suppose. But man, I feel a little bit teased. Okay, let's see where this goes. Gast fights the smoke monster. Cool. Now, Bra unilaterally comes up with this assessment of Gokou and XXI, and she decided on her own to barter a wish. Now, as some of you point out, Bra doesn't know everything about XXI, but we do. And We see where this is going, and when I saw this page, I immediately thought, "well, that's not going to get people to like Bra more. One screw up after another. Oof." She didn't distrust her own judgment (which has been definitively shown to be subpar) enough to see if it was a good idea with her much wiser family and support group. At least, at that point, the responsibility of what's to come would be greatly diminished (or rather more distributed among the rest of the cast).
I don't know exactly where this story is going right now, as it can branch in many directions easily. I am willing to give the story and Bra a chance at this point, but I do not think it is unreasonable for those who think Bra is an immature and irresponsible overly-powerful killer that has had insufficient character growth to expect that she is going to do something immature and reckless without sufficient consideration of the consequences that ends up putting people's lives in danger because she has a history of doing such things. And even if she doesn't know, we the audience can reasonably foresee how her actions can (and likely will) go wrong. Maybe she needs a break from controversy.
Of course of course, some people hate too much and some people defend too blindly. Yes, yes, I know. Reasonable people can disagree, and as I stated recently, part of the controversy for me is that there is such a diverse way of interpreting Bra's actions in the comments, while there seems to be too much agreement among the cast of DBM. That feels artificial to me. This is not the worst thing in the world, but I see the world from my perspective as it is the only perspective to which I have sufficient access.
Hopefully, this is an acceptable contribution to the Bra poop show.
Bird Mountain
January 30th
Damian Qualshy was saying:
Sayazur was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: Man what happened to Yamcha
He died X)
Dying gives you a bad haircut?
He died X)
Dying gives you a bad haircut?
Yamcha must have gotten a shave by some sharp ice as he passed through the interdimensional ice wall.
Bird Mountain
January 30th
happywarrior99 was saying:
Even
Gast is probably depressed after losing his wish.
Because Gast is probably depressed after losing his wish and wanting to cry himself to sleep to cope with his depression.
Namekian depression.
Gast is probably depressed after losing his wish.
Because Gast is probably depressed after losing his wish and wanting to cry himself to sleep to cope with his depression.
Namekian depression.
You're saying Gast is blue? How can Gast be blue when he was flashing so much green? I personally think he is mostly green.
(yes, I know in some cultures the distinction between green and blue is not as stark as it is in the west, but it is also less funny in context.)
In other news, I am a little bit concerned with Bra. I think Vegetto needs to get her more mental health assistance. She's all over the map. They say everyone is trying to find themselves in the world, and when Bra found herself, she called herself passive. This has caused her to have a tenuous grip on reality. She's too powerful and unstable to be left unchecked. Gast is so weak for fighting Janema; this is reminiscent of Gohan watching Cell and Gokou exploring each other's bodies (aka fighting). Gohan was using his own power as a basis for comparison, and it seems like Bra was too. Now, she learned she was passive so that means she is much much weaker than before? Her self-esteem has diminished... Some may say passively? Would she have passively let Janemba have his way with her? I am appreciative of character growth. However, I prefer that growth to be strongly and actively (as opposed to passively) connected to the plot via logic and narrative necessity. I am not sure this is it.
I am sorry for using the P-word (passive) so much. Hopefully, none of you reading my comment have a sudden personality change and no longer have a consistent view on your reading comprehension and or writing skills.
As far as Gast, I am not sure if Gast is going to talk or not yet. Let's give him a chance. My mans probably needs to literally sleep. He might have a raging headache after all he's been through. I have to take a shower and sleep when I get headaches like that.
Also, he may be a freak and might need a few minutes after being naked in front of everyone. I am not judging or shaming. Just because you can't reproduce doesn’t mean the instinct is not there.
Bird Mountain
January 28th
jbame was saying:
ZidaneTribal was saying: — Vegetto depowers for whatever reason
— Broly attacks Janemba
— somehow Vegetto sustains the damage but Buu, who has not done anything, protects him and needs a rest now
The paneling is confusing.
Gogeta was told to detransform, presumably because they needed to keep his timer going for longer, because Old Kai is about to do something, then Broly does a surprise full power attack. This is literally just the last two pages, read.
— Broly attacks Janemba
— somehow Vegetto sustains the damage but Buu, who has not done anything, protects him and needs a rest now
The paneling is confusing.
Gogeta was told to detransform, presumably because they needed to keep his timer going for longer, because Old Kai is about to do something, then Broly does a surprise full power attack. This is literally just the last two pages, read.
Yare yare. ZidaneTribal, cool name, seems to have an accurate summary to me. I would guess (s)he did read the last few pages, and I read paneling to mean the structure of panels of the comic rather than story contained in the panels.
The last few pages have caused me to stop presuming any character other than Broly is actually going to do something. I suppose part of this is the premise of the story in that no one is able to do anything against Broly because he is invincible. So, the characters have to make mistakes and waste all their opportunities. However, it is very frustrating to have tons of setup with no payoff.
Chekhov's gun keeps misfiring rather than Chekhov's gun firing successfully and having Broly still emerge victorious — at times with some effort despite being invincible to make things interesting. Instead, we have setup with little payoff or immediate reversal making all the setup completely redundant and meaningless and a waste of time for the characters and the audience.
Janemba, Gogeta, Super Dee Duper Buu, the afterlife in general.
Maybe Buu exhausted himself absorbing people, and he used the last of his infinite stamina to block Gogeta (who has only attacked once) from the blast from the infinitely powerful Broly, or maybe making himself sparkle takes a lot more stamina than we estimate. Who knows? But I don't think ZidaneTribal needs to engage in remedial reading of the last few pages.
Also, isn't it funny that Buu can tank a "full" power explosion from Broly, but Gogeta can't? Does this not imply that Buu is strong enough to challenge Broly, especially assuming he is assisted (in the actual fight not from the sidelines) by Gogeta? Wait wait wait. I forgot, "Enjoy the spectacle not use what is between the spectacles." (brain is between the eye glasses to explain the comment)
Bird Mountain
January 27th
I always suspected that his rivalry with Gokou had an element of lust and desire to it. He wants Gokou to recognize and submit to him. This comic makes it a reality. Vegetto (read their kid along with his brother Gogeta) would have ended up a different character had Gokou been born a woman... I am kinda sad that this comic doesn't exist.
Also, that sack in panel three explains why everyone hits Vegeta in the sack/shaft.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 189
Also, that sack in panel three explains why everyone hits Vegeta in the sack/shaft.
Bird Mountain
January 27th
Bird Mountain
January 27th
Is Buu sparkling or is that ice/snow falling?
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DBMultiverse Special OAV - Broly Final War page 61
Bird Mountain
January 26th
Dislpay name was saying:
I don't like how defined they made Bra's or Vegeto's ass, i had to double check if it was like that in the original and it wasn't.
Bird Mountain was saying: Daiko was saying: Man, I remember this. People were already hating on Bra already at this point but they got really pissed when Vegetto forgave her for giving in to her anger and going against his orders.
Everyone forgives Bra. She murders her brother? Forgiven. She murders her other brother? Forgiven. We're not talking about years or decades later. We're talking about seconds to hours later, maybe a day if she was really bad. She does incredibly terrible things by anyone's standards, and she faces no consequences. This is feels artificial and inauthentic. I can only speak for myself, but I think it is terrible policy in practice and very very unrealistic for people who do terrible things (again, we are talking about this on the scale of murder not she sometimes says insensitive things) are forgiven immediately with no consequences. I mean not even OJ was forgiven immediately for his murders. People, who were literally defending themselves, still spend time in jail before trial. Even clear self-defense is controversial and some people don't forgive even after the trial. It's not that a few characters always forgive Bra; it is everyone does, which in fictional work is a miracle of God, the author.
Yeah, it makes me roll my eyes and express comments of dislike when it happens.
Not that i'm a Bra fanboy but Vegeta did way worse things and the Zfighters just let him stay around, normal people would have a big problem with Bra but these guys have more patience than entire planets so i don't personally have a problem with her on that regard (or at least not as much as i have for vegeta.)
Bird Mountain was saying: Daiko was saying: Man, I remember this. People were already hating on Bra already at this point but they got really pissed when Vegetto forgave her for giving in to her anger and going against his orders.
Everyone forgives Bra. She murders her brother? Forgiven. She murders her other brother? Forgiven. We're not talking about years or decades later. We're talking about seconds to hours later, maybe a day if she was really bad. She does incredibly terrible things by anyone's standards, and she faces no consequences. This is feels artificial and inauthentic. I can only speak for myself, but I think it is terrible policy in practice and very very unrealistic for people who do terrible things (again, we are talking about this on the scale of murder not she sometimes says insensitive things) are forgiven immediately with no consequences. I mean not even OJ was forgiven immediately for his murders. People, who were literally defending themselves, still spend time in jail before trial. Even clear self-defense is controversial and some people don't forgive even after the trial. It's not that a few characters always forgive Bra; it is everyone does, which in fictional work is a miracle of God, the author.
Yeah, it makes me roll my eyes and express comments of dislike when it happens.
Not that i'm a Bra fanboy but Vegeta did way worse things and the Zfighters just let him stay around, normal people would have a big problem with Bra but these guys have more patience than entire planets so i don't personally have a problem with her on that regard (or at least not as much as i have for vegeta.)
I recall that Vegeta did not get a free pass. Vegeta on Namek was an ally of necessity, not an ally by choice. Moreover, Vegeta was not universally loved. He was feared and not trusted, except for Bulma who just likes to live dangerously. Vegeta was largely on his own for much of the series training, and it took years before people stopped seeing him as a threat to prideful and unstable ally. It wasn't really until post-Cell, which was 3 years of training for the Androids + a year for Goku to return from Namek.
While the severity of the crimes are a factor, they are not the determining factor. For me, the ease and speed with which the cast grows to trust and forgive Bra is the largest issue.
We aren't talking about Bra and Vegeta having a different degree of the crimes (both murder as opposed to a situation like one did a hundred instances of jay-walking while the other committed two armed robberies), but Vegeta just has a higher kill count. Arguably, Vegeta has more of a justification for his actions since he was raised in the Saiyan culture with Saiyan morality at the unaccountable top level of that system too. Don't forget that his race was under the rule of Freeza too. None of that excuses Vegeta completely, but it does give a different context to Vegeta that isn't there with Bra.
While both are equally guilty of the same crimes (Vegeta has a higher number no doubt), I still think it is a reasonable position to have that Bra is more untrustworthy than Vegeta. The fact that reasonable people can differ is the issue. Why isn't there someone who thinks like this? Yes, Pan did have some fear of Bra, but this hasn't really been a factor in the Bra story. So, it feels like the hand of the author is forcing characters to think a certain way rather than characters naturally thinking a certain way because of their different perspectives. As the dude says, this is like my opinion, but look at the mixed perspectives on Bra in the comments. That should be reflected in the cast because that is real, and the lack of it is one of the reasons that it rings fake.
(You can see the same thing if you talk about Tuvix in the Star Trek Fandom. I don't think this is necessarily a Bra specific thing, but it is a Bra focused thing.)
Oh, I appreciate your perspective and point and you tanking the time to reply. Really, no sarcasm on that one. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
January 26th
Sayazur was saying:
ANON was saying: OK, this comic is too silly for me. I'm out.
Bye ^^
Bye ^^
Hello!!!
"You say, 'Goodbye' and I say, 'Hello, hello, hello'
I don't know why you say, 'Goodbye' , I say, 'Hello, hello, hello'
I don't know why you say, 'Goodbye', I say, 'Hello'" — Some British guys
Thanks for creating the comics! Also, thanks for being brave enough to come here and read the comments. That says a lot about you as a person.
I couldn't draw a comic. I would get killed by the comments here. I would put out pages and actively avoid reading the comments while pretending that I am good at what I do. This may explain why I always get yelled to at work. I try to tune out what they are saying — something about your machines and software could get someone killed one day. I just know they haven't killed anyone yet, which automatically makes me really good at what I do.
Anyways I know we all have down days, but you have created something. That is pretty amazing, and you finished it! That is also an accomplishment. There are so many people who never finish anything. Comments can point out mistakes or flaws, but hopefully, you only let the valid criticism in so that you can grow and make your future work better (again, a thing that sets you apart from so many people by being a doer and creator). Invalid criticism by people who do not know what it is actually like, doesn’t really matter. You're likely to never meet any of us in real life. We're basically AI that fill in blanks on the screen. It is great to have your work praised, but also, in the end, we don't matter much in your normal life. We don't know the conditions under which you toil.
Plus, it takes a certain type of person to blaze a new path. I can't say that I am a fan of the ice barrier idea, but I respect the fortitude it took to try that idea instead of going with the boring predictable. In order to get to the really good new stuff, sometimes we have to try different combinations of things that turn out to be not so good. So, I am grateful regardless of how I feel about the ice barrier idea that you did it.
Bird Mountain
January 25th
Daiko was saying:
Man, I remember this. People were already hating on Bra already at this point but they got really pissed when Vegetto forgave her for giving in to her anger and going against his orders.
Everyone forgives Bra. She murders her brother? Forgiven. She murders her other brother? Forgiven. We're not talking about years or decades later. We're talking about seconds to hours later, maybe a day if she was really bad. She does incredibly terrible things by anyone's standards, and she faces no consequences. This is feels artificial and inauthentic. I can only speak for myself, but I think it is terrible policy in practice and very very unrealistic for people who do terrible things (again, we are talking about this on the scale of murder not she sometimes says insensitive things) are forgiven immediately with no consequences. I mean not even OJ was forgiven immediately for his murders. People, who were literally defending themselves, still spend time in jail before trial. Even clear self-defense is controversial and some people don't forgive even after the trial. It's not that a few characters always forgive Bra; it is everyone does, which in fictional work is a miracle of God, the author.
Yeah, it makes me roll my eyes and express comments of dislike when it happens. 2 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
January 24th
Hmmm there are some extra cracks in the color version that weren't there in the original drawing. It really draws the gaze.
DBMultiverse Colors page 284
Bird Mountain
January 23rd
Gogetto was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: We were warned for decades about the thin ice in our universe, but we did not listen. We were told to replace the ice with something stronger like graphite or steel, but our political class (Gods, Kais, and Kai Oh Shin) said it was too expensive. How many times have we see avalanches happen because someone yelled; it's a trope because it happens so frequently. It was only a matter of time before someone yelled loud enough to cause the whole universal ice to slide off the physical plane like an avalanche and cover everything in ice. Way to go political class.
I blame you, Old (read former) Kai Oh Shin, in particular. During your term as Kai Oh Shin, how many times did you refuse to take action? This current plan is par for the type of Kai Oh Shin you were. Let's prevent Broly from destroying everything by moving him into the afterlife to only send him back to fragile mortal realm again. We only have ice holding us together, you geezer. And you know Broly has some lungs on him. We should have recalled and disqualified you when we had the chance.
(no, this is not a reference to any real politician. I don't like discussing politicians at all.)
Make snake way great again!
I blame you, Old (read former) Kai Oh Shin, in particular. During your term as Kai Oh Shin, how many times did you refuse to take action? This current plan is par for the type of Kai Oh Shin you were. Let's prevent Broly from destroying everything by moving him into the afterlife to only send him back to fragile mortal realm again. We only have ice holding us together, you geezer. And you know Broly has some lungs on him. We should have recalled and disqualified you when we had the chance.
(no, this is not a reference to any real politician. I don't like discussing politicians at all.)
Make snake way great again!
I don't like discussing politicians, but I do appreciate punny puns, especially politically neutral ones. Good one!
ap2007 was saying:
Ice wall is breaking just like in the real world ????
Yeah, you aren't aware of the ice wall that is Antarctica? It is the ice wall, guarded by the UN, that protects the oceans from flowing off the flat disc that is our planet. If we lose those walls, we lose our oceans. Didn't you learn about this in school or more likely on the internet conspiracy theory websites -- the source of all things true in the world? Totally is consistent with our real world. Why would the author have to explain the obvious physics of the ice wall breaking but on a universal scale? /s
Bird Mountain
January 23rd
Hmmm... Remember ladies when you fight men, if you wear less, it reduces the amount of blood available for muscle output in your male opponents; it is proven to weaken your opponents. Even if you don't believe those studies and conclusions, we can conduct more studies starting now. If you go this route, science thanks you.
Yamoshi Story page 56
Bird Mountain
January 23rd
We were warned for decades about the thin ice in our universe, but we did not listen. We were told to replace the ice with something stronger like graphite or steel, but our political class (Gods, Kais, and Kai Oh Shin) said it was too expensive. How many times have we see avalanches happen because someone yelled; it's a trope because it happens so frequently. It was only a matter of time before someone yelled loud enough to cause the whole universal ice to slide off the physical plane like an avalanche and cover everything in ice. Way to go political class.
I blame you, Old (read former) Kai Oh Shin, in particular. During your term as Kai Oh Shin, how many times did you refuse to take action? This current plan is par for the type of Kai Oh Shin you were. Let's prevent Broly from destroying everything by moving him into the afterlife to only send him back to fragile mortal realm again. We only have ice holding us together, you geezer. And you know Broly has some lungs on him. We should have recalled and disqualified you when we had the chance.
(no, this is not a reference to any real politician. I don't like discussing politicians at all.) 1 Replie(s)
DBMultiverse Special OAV - Broly Final War page 60
I blame you, Old (read former) Kai Oh Shin, in particular. During your term as Kai Oh Shin, how many times did you refuse to take action? This current plan is par for the type of Kai Oh Shin you were. Let's prevent Broly from destroying everything by moving him into the afterlife to only send him back to fragile mortal realm again. We only have ice holding us together, you geezer. And you know Broly has some lungs on him. We should have recalled and disqualified you when we had the chance.
(no, this is not a reference to any real politician. I don't like discussing politicians at all.) 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
January 21st
Super Gojita 3 was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: King Kindred was saying: Fortuys was saying: DestroyerOfVegetards was saying: There is still a pair of Gast's legs that Janemba cut of earlier in the fight. I wonder if Gast can make use of those old legs.
Gast is not Cell or Buu, he doesn't have a regeneration core that he can move around his body, or the ability to regenerate from any part of his body, his regeneration is sourced from his brain.
Cell got his regeneration from Piccolo and even he was unaware of his own limits. Gast is the culmination of Namek's Hope and people. His regeneration is a lot stronger than what we've seen from Namekians. He could very well have that ability to create clones using his disembodied parts.
Are we also sure that we don't have Gast Jr. running around the ring at this point? Maybe he off-screened shot an egg, à la Piccolo Daima Oh (Piccolo is what his friends call him but all his girlfriends just call him Mr. Oh or Oh My God... Technically correct), that matured. Gast could definitely mature a Gast Jr. in an accelerated time, but admittedly this would be a stretch. However, Gast is good at stretching.
Dbm canon asserts warrior types like nail and piccolo (gast as well, since his base was nail) do not reproduce. at all.
gasts wish is to either become a dragon type and be able to do so, or split back up into nail, and the rest.
Salagir basically has used the guide book data on that by coincidence, not by design because he usually ignores that.
exceptions apply, with some details from the anime are included as fan service, like king vegetas design since he wasn't in the OG manga (dbs not withstanding)
So no gast jr running about.
Gast is not Cell or Buu, he doesn't have a regeneration core that he can move around his body, or the ability to regenerate from any part of his body, his regeneration is sourced from his brain.
Cell got his regeneration from Piccolo and even he was unaware of his own limits. Gast is the culmination of Namek's Hope and people. His regeneration is a lot stronger than what we've seen from Namekians. He could very well have that ability to create clones using his disembodied parts.
Are we also sure that we don't have Gast Jr. running around the ring at this point? Maybe he off-screened shot an egg, à la Piccolo Daima Oh (Piccolo is what his friends call him but all his girlfriends just call him Mr. Oh or Oh My God... Technically correct), that matured. Gast could definitely mature a Gast Jr. in an accelerated time, but admittedly this would be a stretch. However, Gast is good at stretching.
Dbm canon asserts warrior types like nail and piccolo (gast as well, since his base was nail) do not reproduce. at all.
gasts wish is to either become a dragon type and be able to do so, or split back up into nail, and the rest.
Salagir basically has used the guide book data on that by coincidence, not by design because he usually ignores that.
exceptions apply, with some details from the anime are included as fan service, like king vegetas design since he wasn't in the OG manga (dbs not withstanding)
So no gast jr running about.
Well, that is stinky. How does that square with Daddy Piccolo Daima Oh giving birth to MAJunior (Piccolo the second)? Or is that one of those exceptions? Or was Daddy Piccolo not a warrior type? Or did Piccolo become sterile when he merged with Nail? Not questioning the cannon, but I am trying to understand the limits of the cannon.
Oh, and how rude of me not to wish Asura a happy birthday... 2 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
January 21st
Piccolo, where are you putting those hands?
Nappa doesn't snap; he naps. Snapping is for those with more hair. Also, since Nappa already has a tail, is already a furry and thus immune to furrification?
Yamcha, I feel your pain. Now, they get it?
Also, I am leaving this here without context:
Hashire sori yo
Kaze no you ni
Tsukimihara wo
Padoru Padoru
Christmas Phipsil, I am so glad we unlocked you,
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 188
Nappa doesn't snap; he naps. Snapping is for those with more hair. Also, since Nappa already has a tail, is already a furry and thus immune to furrification?
Yamcha, I feel your pain. Now, they get it?
Also, I am leaving this here without context:
Hashire sori yo
Kaze no you ni
Tsukimihara wo
Padoru Padoru
Christmas Phipsil, I am so glad we unlocked you,
Bird Mountain
January 20th
King Kindred was saying:
Fortuys was saying: DestroyerOfVegetards was saying: There is still a pair of Gast's legs that Janemba cut of earlier in the fight. I wonder if Gast can make use of those old legs.
Gast is not Cell or Buu, he doesn't have a regeneration core that he can move around his body, or the ability to regenerate from any part of his body, his regeneration is sourced from his brain.
Cell got his regeneration from Piccolo and even he was unaware of his own limits. Gast is the culmination of Namek's Hope and people. His regeneration is a lot stronger than what we've seen from Namekians. He could very well have that ability to create clones using his disembodied parts.
Gast is not Cell or Buu, he doesn't have a regeneration core that he can move around his body, or the ability to regenerate from any part of his body, his regeneration is sourced from his brain.
Cell got his regeneration from Piccolo and even he was unaware of his own limits. Gast is the culmination of Namek's Hope and people. His regeneration is a lot stronger than what we've seen from Namekians. He could very well have that ability to create clones using his disembodied parts.
Are we also sure that we don't have Gast Jr. running around the ring at this point? Maybe he off-screened shot an egg, à la Piccolo Daima Oh (Piccolo is what his friends call him but all his girlfriends just call him Mr. Oh or Oh My God... Technically correct), that matured. Gast could definitely mature a Gast Jr. in an accelerated time, but admittedly this would be a stretch. However, Gast is good at stretching. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
January 20th
DhangerShanger was saying:
Aha! There they are! Both the spell, and a risk for disqualification.
Bird Mountain was saying: Cool. Smoke Monster. I watched Lost so I remember the Smoke Monster. Nothing too scary here.
What I can't believe is anyone is surprised to see a smoke monster. Doesn't every marital arts tournament have a smoke monster? I think a smoke monster was UFC champion a few years ago. Nothing says martial arts like Smoke Monster, except maybe Star Wars technology.
This is the real reason why XXI always hid his true form. He's simply too embarassed to show people he's just a plain old smoke monster, see. Dude can't help but feel ashamed of his own appearance... :( Poor guy!!!
Bird Mountain was saying: Cool. Smoke Monster. I watched Lost so I remember the Smoke Monster. Nothing too scary here.
What I can't believe is anyone is surprised to see a smoke monster. Doesn't every marital arts tournament have a smoke monster? I think a smoke monster was UFC champion a few years ago. Nothing says martial arts like Smoke Monster, except maybe Star Wars technology.
This is the real reason why XXI always hid his true form. He's simply too embarassed to show people he's just a plain old smoke monster, see. Dude can't help but feel ashamed of his own appearance... :( Poor guy!!!
You know, I hadn't thought about how difficult it must be for Smoke Monsters everywhere. I can see how XXI felt the need to hide his appearance. I now feel sorry for him. I hope he wins now. I can only guess Gokou doesn't have any techniques that can affect the unalive, except maybe the Mafuba which I am not sure Gokou knows. What do you think Smoke Monster will wish for? Do you think he will wish to be a real boy?
(I loved your comment, and I felt I had to respond with more than a hahahaha and a love it! so you got a little more.) 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
January 20th
Cool. Smoke Monster. I watched Lost so I remember the Smoke Monster. Nothing too scary here.
What I can't believe is anyone is surprised to see a smoke monster. Doesn't every marital arts tournament have a smoke monster? I think a smoke monster was UFC champion a few years ago. Nothing says martial arts like Smoke Monster, except maybe Star Wars technology. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2444
What I can't believe is anyone is surprised to see a smoke monster. Doesn't every marital arts tournament have a smoke monster? I think a smoke monster was UFC champion a few years ago. Nothing says martial arts like Smoke Monster, except maybe Star Wars technology. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
January 18th
PrimeFighter was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: PrimeFighter was saying: Sayazur was saying: PrimeFighter was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: Oh? Is that the plan now? But the whole point was to put Broly away from Namekians which he was flying towards at the very beginning (no idea why even)
Yeah none of this story makes any sense anymore, frankly. How was it their fault Janemba was created? We JUST saw Demon Kid blow up the purification machine through his negligence. How did Janemba survive even a single blast from this story's version of Broly who's on the level of SSJ3 Gogeta when SSJ Gogeta obliterated Janemba already? Also this Janemba is actually WEAKER than the Fusion Reborn version because all the powerful evil souls that would've contributed to Janemba's formation got put into their bodies again and absorbed by Buu. ALSO why hasn't SSJ3 Gogeta been absorbed yet by Buu? There is no reason why they wouldn't here. They gain nothing from splitting their power and NOT obliterating Broly in one go, especially after already failing their friends,familiy, and Earth to do so once already as a Buu without the absorbed fusion. At the very least, I expected Buu vs Janemba and SSJ3 Gogeta vs Broly, but idk what is happening anymore now...
— The impact between Broly and Gogeta created a shockwave that caused the soul purification machine to overload.
— Gogeta never killed Janemba; the Fusion Reborn movie never happened in DBM.
— Therefore, this Janemba is not the one from the movies.
— If I had made Buu absorb Gogeta, people would have complained because they wouldn't have seen Gogeta. I don't do it, and they still complain. So, I don't care.
— You need to stop thinking that specific souls influence Janemba's strength. He's not strong because he has the souls of certain characters but simply because he's purely evil. Frieza's soul without his body is no stronger than the soul of the farmer killed by Raditz.
— (1.) That fact wasn't portrayed clearly then in that page where the alert was.
— (2.) The movie doesn't have to happen for the fact SSJ Gogeta obliterates Janemba to be true
— (3.) I think I specifically said "this Janemba" to make that distinction, and even still, what's the explanation of the difference between THIS Janemba and Fusion Reborn Janemba
— (4.) You shouldn't have to worry about how we complain about the story. Write it as you wish, but you should worry about making things consistent and line up or reference with already existing continuity so that your story makes sense.
— (5.) Yeah, sure let's go with what you just said here for argument sake. So, what makes this Janemba stronger than Fusion Reborn Janemba to withstand a blast from a Broly who's on level with SSJ3 Gogeta?
— (6.) Lastly, this is just a blunt critique. I think I brought up some glaring points imo. If you don't care as you say, then whatever. Your story dude.
I numbered the points made above in the quote so that we can reference them easier. Also, prepare for heavy sarcasm and jokes with no intention of being mean to anyone. All points should be read as an attempt to make someone smile.
— 1. Regarding the blast from Broly and Gogeta. Clearly, you have never seen anime or read manga before. Strong winds do not just blow then something suddenly deforms and/or blows up. Other than the 10 times that I am certain you can cite as example with little thinking, it never happens. Plus, of those 10 examples, how many blow towards the ominous thing before something bad happens;I bet it is only four or five. So, even without clear connection between Broly and Gogeta and the scrubber machine, you should have been able to associate the wind with the Broly fight. I mean what other events have been depicted for you to associate? Wind (especially that strong) doesn't suddenly blow in DBM for no reason. Therefore, it is on you for not following along. Checkmate, "critic".
— 2. Since the Fusion Reborn movie did not happen in this universe, this is a completely new character, and any resemblance to another character who definitely doesn't exist is entirely your fault for associating what you think you know of this non-existant character with this clearly nearly original character. This character, who happens to share passing resemblances to the character Janemba from that movie that doesn't exist, is clearly just a demon, and not actually named Janemba (who has said his name yet? No one that is who). Please stop being in a rush, projecting preconceived notions onto the character, and let this character develop into the unique entity that he will be. Everyone knows that if you are quiet and just let it happen, you always have a great time.
— 3. THIS Janemba as opposed to THAT Janemba. First, we do not even know the character in this story's name. Just because he said Janemba doesn't mean that is his name. Also, clearly that Fusion Reborn movie doesn't exist in DBM, therefore, this character is 100% original and not characterized by said non-existent movie. Once again, "critic", do not bring outside sources of knowledge and project them onto the characters in this story. Plus, the distinction between THIS and THAT version is confusing, and it is a product of bad comment writing. Physician, heal thyself.
— 4. Where do you find these outside rules for writing? Your suggestions on what the author should care about have no basis in real art, and it shows that you are probably not a creative yourself. Creation is not limited by consistency and internal logic. Lewis Caroll wrote a very famous work that has been adapted many times in the genre of literary nonsense. I am sure you have heard of Alice in Wonderland. Moreover, in the last few years or so, pretty much every best picture and best writer Oscar went to a movie whose plot made no sense. This is clearly a winning formula, and you're right that an artist should not listen to the rambling and rabbling of the common person who demands logical consistency and literary structure. Art is meant to be experienced. You are the experiencer; you experience what the artist intends. Not all art should make you feel comfortable or enjoyment. And clearly through your own limitations, you fail to see the brilliance of the artist.
— 5. You're experiencing a subversion of your own expectations. You expect that the unnamed original character who you call Janemba should be damaged or destroyed by the Broly blast, but the author is showing you through feats the power level of the unnamed original character. You ask for his power level while the author is showing you his power level. Please you must remove your blinders to see what the artist/author is showing you. You look but do not see. You who demand story logic, but you ask the impossible. Who in the story world can compare an original character to a character from a non-existant work? Characters do not just talk to themselves about power levels. Does Gogeta need to explain to Buu how powerful the unnamed original character is? No! He can feel his ki himself. How do you show power level? Through action, and this is what you are getting. Checkmate, "critic" !
— 6. My comment is just sarcastic and completely not serious criticism of your criticism. Now, by rules of the internet, you have to be intensely incensed and respond angrily to my comment and we become hated enemies until we find something upon which we agree which will cool the fire wall — no, it will warm the icy wall — between us.
I appreciate your perspective, but what audience expects anything from the artist? Audience is supposed to be silent during the the show and just consume. For your own well-being, do not try to understand the story, merely try to experience the story. Bringing outside baggage to the story just brings more confusion. Speaking of baggage, at the airport, they tell you to label your bags because many bags look alike. So too is it the case with characters in a story. Just because it looks similar, and has a similar backstory and similar powers, doesn't mean it is the same character. Give the story a chance to breath and exist in its own world and tell its tale.
With that, I bid you adieu.
What? Surely you can't be serious that artists, who strive to be original, use characters the audience is already familiar with in different ways than from where they are taken, and it causes confusion in the audience to the point that the audience can no longer experience the art? Surely, you jest.
(Looks back)
Mr., Ms., or Mrs. PrimeFighter, I apologize. I now agree with your perspective. I have but one remaining question, how does one fight prime numbers? They can only be defeated by themselves and one. Oh, I see your genius yet again; you are the one.
Once again, adieu.
davysprocket was saying: Why is Gogeta bruised and cut up? Dude got hit like once at most and I'm pretty sure it wasn't even a clean hit,
My totally not serious head cannon is that Ssj3 brings forth all the potential in a Saiya-Jin's blood, right? Maybe as it is pulling the potential, it grabs the toxins in the blood too. Those can reduce potential output. Gokou eats just about anything, and he probably has a lot of things building up. Secondly, other world probably has a lot of artificial foods or probably has dead food mixed with alive food. In other world, alive and dead are identical. Eating broccoli that was born in other world is probably different than hero broccoli that died and went to other world. I would not be surprised if Hell would occasionally accidentally on purpose mix the two.
I guess also the arua makes everything brighter and more white. I think that and the fact that background is white is why it is not visible while Ssj3.
You took my remaining braincells before work and I'll never forgive you
Yeah none of this story makes any sense anymore, frankly. How was it their fault Janemba was created? We JUST saw Demon Kid blow up the purification machine through his negligence. How did Janemba survive even a single blast from this story's version of Broly who's on the level of SSJ3 Gogeta when SSJ Gogeta obliterated Janemba already? Also this Janemba is actually WEAKER than the Fusion Reborn version because all the powerful evil souls that would've contributed to Janemba's formation got put into their bodies again and absorbed by Buu. ALSO why hasn't SSJ3 Gogeta been absorbed yet by Buu? There is no reason why they wouldn't here. They gain nothing from splitting their power and NOT obliterating Broly in one go, especially after already failing their friends,familiy, and Earth to do so once already as a Buu without the absorbed fusion. At the very least, I expected Buu vs Janemba and SSJ3 Gogeta vs Broly, but idk what is happening anymore now...
— The impact between Broly and Gogeta created a shockwave that caused the soul purification machine to overload.
— Gogeta never killed Janemba; the Fusion Reborn movie never happened in DBM.
— Therefore, this Janemba is not the one from the movies.
— If I had made Buu absorb Gogeta, people would have complained because they wouldn't have seen Gogeta. I don't do it, and they still complain. So, I don't care.
— You need to stop thinking that specific souls influence Janemba's strength. He's not strong because he has the souls of certain characters but simply because he's purely evil. Frieza's soul without his body is no stronger than the soul of the farmer killed by Raditz.
— (1.) That fact wasn't portrayed clearly then in that page where the alert was.
— (2.) The movie doesn't have to happen for the fact SSJ Gogeta obliterates Janemba to be true
— (3.) I think I specifically said "this Janemba" to make that distinction, and even still, what's the explanation of the difference between THIS Janemba and Fusion Reborn Janemba
— (4.) You shouldn't have to worry about how we complain about the story. Write it as you wish, but you should worry about making things consistent and line up or reference with already existing continuity so that your story makes sense.
— (5.) Yeah, sure let's go with what you just said here for argument sake. So, what makes this Janemba stronger than Fusion Reborn Janemba to withstand a blast from a Broly who's on level with SSJ3 Gogeta?
— (6.) Lastly, this is just a blunt critique. I think I brought up some glaring points imo. If you don't care as you say, then whatever. Your story dude.
I numbered the points made above in the quote so that we can reference them easier. Also, prepare for heavy sarcasm and jokes with no intention of being mean to anyone. All points should be read as an attempt to make someone smile.
— 1. Regarding the blast from Broly and Gogeta. Clearly, you have never seen anime or read manga before. Strong winds do not just blow then something suddenly deforms and/or blows up. Other than the 10 times that I am certain you can cite as example with little thinking, it never happens. Plus, of those 10 examples, how many blow towards the ominous thing before something bad happens;I bet it is only four or five. So, even without clear connection between Broly and Gogeta and the scrubber machine, you should have been able to associate the wind with the Broly fight. I mean what other events have been depicted for you to associate? Wind (especially that strong) doesn't suddenly blow in DBM for no reason. Therefore, it is on you for not following along. Checkmate, "critic".
— 2. Since the Fusion Reborn movie did not happen in this universe, this is a completely new character, and any resemblance to another character who definitely doesn't exist is entirely your fault for associating what you think you know of this non-existant character with this clearly nearly original character. This character, who happens to share passing resemblances to the character Janemba from that movie that doesn't exist, is clearly just a demon, and not actually named Janemba (who has said his name yet? No one that is who). Please stop being in a rush, projecting preconceived notions onto the character, and let this character develop into the unique entity that he will be. Everyone knows that if you are quiet and just let it happen, you always have a great time.
— 3. THIS Janemba as opposed to THAT Janemba. First, we do not even know the character in this story's name. Just because he said Janemba doesn't mean that is his name. Also, clearly that Fusion Reborn movie doesn't exist in DBM, therefore, this character is 100% original and not characterized by said non-existent movie. Once again, "critic", do not bring outside sources of knowledge and project them onto the characters in this story. Plus, the distinction between THIS and THAT version is confusing, and it is a product of bad comment writing. Physician, heal thyself.
— 4. Where do you find these outside rules for writing? Your suggestions on what the author should care about have no basis in real art, and it shows that you are probably not a creative yourself. Creation is not limited by consistency and internal logic. Lewis Caroll wrote a very famous work that has been adapted many times in the genre of literary nonsense. I am sure you have heard of Alice in Wonderland. Moreover, in the last few years or so, pretty much every best picture and best writer Oscar went to a movie whose plot made no sense. This is clearly a winning formula, and you're right that an artist should not listen to the rambling and rabbling of the common person who demands logical consistency and literary structure. Art is meant to be experienced. You are the experiencer; you experience what the artist intends. Not all art should make you feel comfortable or enjoyment. And clearly through your own limitations, you fail to see the brilliance of the artist.
— 5. You're experiencing a subversion of your own expectations. You expect that the unnamed original character who you call Janemba should be damaged or destroyed by the Broly blast, but the author is showing you through feats the power level of the unnamed original character. You ask for his power level while the author is showing you his power level. Please you must remove your blinders to see what the artist/author is showing you. You look but do not see. You who demand story logic, but you ask the impossible. Who in the story world can compare an original character to a character from a non-existant work? Characters do not just talk to themselves about power levels. Does Gogeta need to explain to Buu how powerful the unnamed original character is? No! He can feel his ki himself. How do you show power level? Through action, and this is what you are getting. Checkmate, "critic" !
— 6. My comment is just sarcastic and completely not serious criticism of your criticism. Now, by rules of the internet, you have to be intensely incensed and respond angrily to my comment and we become hated enemies until we find something upon which we agree which will cool the fire wall — no, it will warm the icy wall — between us.
I appreciate your perspective, but what audience expects anything from the artist? Audience is supposed to be silent during the the show and just consume. For your own well-being, do not try to understand the story, merely try to experience the story. Bringing outside baggage to the story just brings more confusion. Speaking of baggage, at the airport, they tell you to label your bags because many bags look alike. So too is it the case with characters in a story. Just because it looks similar, and has a similar backstory and similar powers, doesn't mean it is the same character. Give the story a chance to breath and exist in its own world and tell its tale.
With that, I bid you adieu.
What? Surely you can't be serious that artists, who strive to be original, use characters the audience is already familiar with in different ways than from where they are taken, and it causes confusion in the audience to the point that the audience can no longer experience the art? Surely, you jest.
(Looks back)
Mr., Ms., or Mrs. PrimeFighter, I apologize. I now agree with your perspective. I have but one remaining question, how does one fight prime numbers? They can only be defeated by themselves and one. Oh, I see your genius yet again; you are the one.
Once again, adieu.
davysprocket was saying: Why is Gogeta bruised and cut up? Dude got hit like once at most and I'm pretty sure it wasn't even a clean hit,
My totally not serious head cannon is that Ssj3 brings forth all the potential in a Saiya-Jin's blood, right? Maybe as it is pulling the potential, it grabs the toxins in the blood too. Those can reduce potential output. Gokou eats just about anything, and he probably has a lot of things building up. Secondly, other world probably has a lot of artificial foods or probably has dead food mixed with alive food. In other world, alive and dead are identical. Eating broccoli that was born in other world is probably different than hero broccoli that died and went to other world. I would not be surprised if Hell would occasionally accidentally on purpose mix the two.
I guess also the arua makes everything brighter and more white. I think that and the fact that background is white is why it is not visible while Ssj3.
You took my remaining braincells before work and I'll never forgive you
Love it!! Glad to meet you new worst enemy. Yeah, I can see how reading all that might be a little bit much in the morning. I hope you had a great day at work.
Bird Mountain
January 17th
PrimeFighter was saying:
Sayazur was saying: PrimeFighter was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: Oh? Is that the plan now? But the whole point was to put Broly away from Namekians which he was flying towards at the very beginning (no idea why even)
Yeah none of this story makes any sense anymore, frankly. How was it their fault Janemba was created? We JUST saw Demon Kid blow up the purification machine through his negligence. How did Janemba survive even a single blast from this story's version of Broly who's on the level of SSJ3 Gogeta when SSJ Gogeta obliterated Janemba already? Also this Janemba is actually WEAKER than the Fusion Reborn version because all the powerful evil souls that would've contributed to Janemba's formation got put into their bodies again and absorbed by Buu. ALSO why hasn't SSJ3 Gogeta been absorbed yet by Buu? There is no reason why they wouldn't here. They gain nothing from splitting their power and NOT obliterating Broly in one go, especially after already failing their friends,familiy, and Earth to do so once already as a Buu without the absorbed fusion. At the very least, I expected Buu vs Janemba and SSJ3 Gogeta vs Broly, but idk what is happening anymore now...
— The impact between Broly and Gogeta created a shockwave that caused the soul purification machine to overload.
— Gogeta never killed Janemba; the Fusion Reborn movie never happened in DBM.
— Therefore, this Janemba is not the one from the movies.
— If I had made Buu absorb Gogeta, people would have complained because they wouldn't have seen Gogeta. I don't do it, and they still complain. So, I don't care.
— You need to stop thinking that specific souls influence Janemba's strength. He's not strong because he has the souls of certain characters but simply because he's purely evil. Frieza's soul without his body is no stronger than the soul of the farmer killed by Raditz.
— (1.) That fact wasn't portrayed clearly then in that page where the alert was.
— (2.) The movie doesn't have to happen for the fact SSJ Gogeta obliterates Janemba to be true
— (3.) I think I specifically said "this Janemba" to make that distinction, and even still, what's the explanation of the difference between THIS Janemba and Fusion Reborn Janemba
— (4.) You shouldn't have to worry about how we complain about the story. Write it as you wish, but you should worry about making things consistent and line up or reference with already existing continuity so that your story makes sense.
— (5.) Yeah, sure let's go with what you just said here for argument sake. So, what makes this Janemba stronger than Fusion Reborn Janemba to withstand a blast from a Broly who's on level with SSJ3 Gogeta?
— (6.) Lastly, this is just a blunt critique. I think I brought up some glaring points imo. If you don't care as you say, then whatever. Your story dude.
Yeah none of this story makes any sense anymore, frankly. How was it their fault Janemba was created? We JUST saw Demon Kid blow up the purification machine through his negligence. How did Janemba survive even a single blast from this story's version of Broly who's on the level of SSJ3 Gogeta when SSJ Gogeta obliterated Janemba already? Also this Janemba is actually WEAKER than the Fusion Reborn version because all the powerful evil souls that would've contributed to Janemba's formation got put into their bodies again and absorbed by Buu. ALSO why hasn't SSJ3 Gogeta been absorbed yet by Buu? There is no reason why they wouldn't here. They gain nothing from splitting their power and NOT obliterating Broly in one go, especially after already failing their friends,familiy, and Earth to do so once already as a Buu without the absorbed fusion. At the very least, I expected Buu vs Janemba and SSJ3 Gogeta vs Broly, but idk what is happening anymore now...
— The impact between Broly and Gogeta created a shockwave that caused the soul purification machine to overload.
— Gogeta never killed Janemba; the Fusion Reborn movie never happened in DBM.
— Therefore, this Janemba is not the one from the movies.
— If I had made Buu absorb Gogeta, people would have complained because they wouldn't have seen Gogeta. I don't do it, and they still complain. So, I don't care.
— You need to stop thinking that specific souls influence Janemba's strength. He's not strong because he has the souls of certain characters but simply because he's purely evil. Frieza's soul without his body is no stronger than the soul of the farmer killed by Raditz.
— (1.) That fact wasn't portrayed clearly then in that page where the alert was.
— (2.) The movie doesn't have to happen for the fact SSJ Gogeta obliterates Janemba to be true
— (3.) I think I specifically said "this Janemba" to make that distinction, and even still, what's the explanation of the difference between THIS Janemba and Fusion Reborn Janemba
— (4.) You shouldn't have to worry about how we complain about the story. Write it as you wish, but you should worry about making things consistent and line up or reference with already existing continuity so that your story makes sense.
— (5.) Yeah, sure let's go with what you just said here for argument sake. So, what makes this Janemba stronger than Fusion Reborn Janemba to withstand a blast from a Broly who's on level with SSJ3 Gogeta?
— (6.) Lastly, this is just a blunt critique. I think I brought up some glaring points imo. If you don't care as you say, then whatever. Your story dude.
I numbered the points made above in the quote so that we can reference them easier. Also, prepare for heavy sarcasm and jokes with no intention of being mean to anyone. All points should be read as an attempt to make someone smile.
— 1. Regarding the blast from Broly and Gogeta. Clearly, you have never seen anime or read manga before. Strong winds do not just blow then something suddenly deforms and/or blows up. Other than the 10 times that I am certain you can cite as example with little thinking, it never happens. Plus, of those 10 examples, how many blow towards the ominous thing before something bad happens;I bet it is only four or five. So, even without clear connection between Broly and Gogeta and the scrubber machine, you should have been able to associate the wind with the Broly fight. I mean what other events have been depicted for you to associate? Wind (especially that strong) doesn't suddenly blow in DBM for no reason. Therefore, it is on you for not following along. Checkmate, "critic".
— 2. Since the Fusion Reborn movie did not happen in this universe, this is a completely new character, and any resemblance to another character who definitely doesn't exist is entirely your fault for associating what you think you know of this non-existant character with this clearly nearly original character. This character, who happens to share passing resemblances to the character Janemba from that movie that doesn't exist, is clearly just a demon, and not actually named Janemba (who has said his name yet? No one that is who). Please stop being in a rush, projecting preconceived notions onto the character, and let this character develop into the unique entity that he will be. Everyone knows that if you are quiet and just let it happen, you always have a great time.
— 3. THIS Janemba as opposed to THAT Janemba. First, we do not even know the character in this story's name. Just because he said Janemba doesn't mean that is his name. Also, clearly that Fusion Reborn movie doesn't exist in DBM, therefore, this character is 100% original and not characterized by said non-existent movie. Once again, "critic", do not bring outside sources of knowledge and project them onto the characters in this story. Plus, the distinction between THIS and THAT version is confusing, and it is a product of bad comment writing. Physician, heal thyself.
— 4. Where do you find these outside rules for writing? Your suggestions on what the author should care about have no basis in real art, and it shows that you are probably not a creative yourself. Creation is not limited by consistency and internal logic. Lewis Caroll wrote a very famous work that has been adapted many times in the genre of literary nonsense. I am sure you have heard of Alice in Wonderland. Moreover, in the last few years or so, pretty much every best picture and best writer Oscar went to a movie whose plot made no sense. This is clearly a winning formula, and you're right that an artist should not listen to the rambling and rabbling of the common person who demands logical consistency and literary structure. Art is meant to be experienced. You are the experiencer; you experience what the artist intends. Not all art should make you feel comfortable or enjoyment. And clearly through your own limitations, you fail to see the brilliance of the artist.
— 5. You're experiencing a subversion of your own expectations. You expect that the unnamed original character who you call Janemba should be damaged or destroyed by the Broly blast, but the author is showing you through feats the power level of the unnamed original character. You ask for his power level while the author is showing you his power level. Please you must remove your blinders to see what the artist/author is showing you. You look but do not see. You who demand story logic, but you ask the impossible. Who in the story world can compare an original character to a character from a non-existant work? Characters do not just talk to themselves about power levels. Does Gogeta need to explain to Buu how powerful the unnamed original character is? No! He can feel his ki himself. How do you show power level? Through action, and this is what you are getting. Checkmate, "critic" !
— 6. My comment is just sarcastic and completely not serious criticism of your criticism. Now, by rules of the internet, you have to be intensely incensed and respond angrily to my comment and we become hated enemies until we find something upon which we agree which will cool the fire wall — no, it will warm the icy wall — between us.
I appreciate your perspective, but what audience expects anything from the artist? Audience is supposed to be silent during the the show and just consume. For your own well-being, do not try to understand the story, merely try to experience the story. Bringing outside baggage to the story just brings more confusion. Speaking of baggage, at the airport, they tell you to label your bags because many bags look alike. So too is it the case with characters in a story. Just because it looks similar, and has a similar backstory and similar powers, doesn't mean it is the same character. Give the story a chance to breath and exist in its own world and tell its tale.
With that, I bid you adieu.
What? Surely you can't be serious that artists, who strive to be original, use characters the audience is already familiar with in different ways than from where they are taken, and it causes confusion in the audience to the point that the audience can no longer experience the art? Surely, you jest.
(Looks back)
Mr., Ms., or Mrs. PrimeFighter, I apologize. I now agree with your perspective. I have but one remaining question, how does one fight prime numbers? They can only be defeated by themselves and one. Oh, I see your genius yet again; you are the one.
Once again, adieu.
davysprocket was saying:
Why is Gogeta bruised and cut up? Dude got hit like once at most and I'm pretty sure it wasn't even a clean hit,
My totally not serious head cannon is that Ssj3 brings forth all the potential in a Saiya-Jin's blood, right? Maybe as it is pulling the potential, it grabs the toxins in the blood too. Those can reduce potential output. Gokou eats just about anything, and he probably has a lot of things building up. Secondly, other world probably has a lot of artificial foods or probably has dead food mixed with alive food. In other world, alive and dead are identical. Eating broccoli that was born in other world is probably different than hero broccoli that died and went to other world. I would not be surprised if Hell would occasionally accidentally on purpose mix the two.
I guess also the arua makes everything brighter and more white. I think that and the fact that background is white is why it is not visible while Ssj3. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
January 14th
Totally should have drawn Kakarotto with flat nips in panel 5 then given him the third dimension in panel 6. That would have added to the smile and rewarded those who were paying attention.
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Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 187
Bird Mountain
January 13th
Broly can't take damage from his own attacks. He is stronger when he gets hit than he was when he fired it. Broly is constantly getting stronger and that makes him more durable by the second. We know that he has gotten exponentially stronger in mere seconds based on previous feats. He's probably the equivalent of a Super Saiya-Jin 532 after the blast while he was probably a Super Saiya-Jin 275 before the blast. I mean why not? Broly has no limits except those that the author artificially put on him.
What is his infinite growth rate? When does it occur? How frequently? Broly is the DBM equivalent of playing a game of I win. It doesn't matter what you do, I win. You can only delay me winning. Broly's power is always high enough to cause drama, but always low enough to not wash and runaway completely with the main character(s). Needless to say, I am not a Broly fan.
I vote invincible to his own attacks, and only Gogeta can damage him...for now. 1 Replie(s)
DBMultiverse Special OAV - Broly Final War page 57
What is his infinite growth rate? When does it occur? How frequently? Broly is the DBM equivalent of playing a game of I win. It doesn't matter what you do, I win. You can only delay me winning. Broly's power is always high enough to cause drama, but always low enough to not wash and runaway completely with the main character(s). Needless to say, I am not a Broly fan.
I vote invincible to his own attacks, and only Gogeta can damage him...for now. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
January 10th
ZenBuu was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: But what you're doing is filling in the gaps for the author. We all do it for works with which we are invested. And in DBZA Zarbon's voice, "Not that there is anything wrong with that." But, it is really no response to those who point out the characterization inconsistency. I suspect that you would be a good author, but as commentors, we can only work with what we have. Speculation about what the author could but hasn't done is just as valuable as speculation about what year the one after the next extinction level meteor will hit Earth. Sure, maybe it could happen, but until it materializes into something tangible with more than speculation, it is at best of little value.
Insert transition to a general comment here not really at anyone.
If you use a character from previously existing source material with which you can expect your audience is familiar without any in-story (meaning in your derivative work, derivative not in pejorative sense but that your work or parts of your work are dependent on the existence of other works) characterization, the audience can only rely on their knowledge of the character from previously existing work. If the author relies on changes to source material in a derived work in order for their story to make narrative and logical sense, (s)he must inform the audience of these changes in the story or it will confuse the audience. The audience in general will want to know these differences as soon as possible to avoid confusion setting in and to better and more easily understand the plot. If you delay, you get arguments like isn't Janemba a little bit stronger than his only appearance.
Now, it could be that we are premature, and the author intends to inform the audience of Janemba's increased power levels as compared to the original material. Or, it could be that the author intend his comment on this page to suffice. I would submit that the comment in the comments page is not a great plan.
I am of the opinion that the writing style suggests an "and this happens and this happens" style, which some works I enjoy do use too. This style suggests to me that we are going to have to just roll with it. We should turn off our analytical machines and our attention to story details, and do or do not enjoy the spectacle. Coherence with source materials or even internal consistency is not something at which even Toriyama—sensei was particularly strong.
Well, I actually agree with everything you said, especially with the part about explaining any changes in the comment section, which should be shown in the comic itself, to avoid further confusion. You make some really good points!
Sometimes I do tend to overanalyze things too here and there, but this story is probably really one of those, where you maybe shouldn't do that. For me personally, that's mostly because of Broly. Especially DBM Broly. I just don't like how extremely broken he is and he has like zero character. The only pleasant surprise was actually U3 Broly. But that's just my opinion. I'm sure there are a lot of people who still like this Broly, and that's totally fine of course.
Though one thing that actually bothered me most, was that Cell got killed immediately off screen, before we even saw the start of the fight. Especially since Cell is one of my favorite characters. Not that it would've made a huge difference later on, but I wanted to see him fight a little bit at least.
Insert transition to a general comment here not really at anyone.
If you use a character from previously existing source material with which you can expect your audience is familiar without any in-story (meaning in your derivative work, derivative not in pejorative sense but that your work or parts of your work are dependent on the existence of other works) characterization, the audience can only rely on their knowledge of the character from previously existing work. If the author relies on changes to source material in a derived work in order for their story to make narrative and logical sense, (s)he must inform the audience of these changes in the story or it will confuse the audience. The audience in general will want to know these differences as soon as possible to avoid confusion setting in and to better and more easily understand the plot. If you delay, you get arguments like isn't Janemba a little bit stronger than his only appearance.
Now, it could be that we are premature, and the author intends to inform the audience of Janemba's increased power levels as compared to the original material. Or, it could be that the author intend his comment on this page to suffice. I would submit that the comment in the comments page is not a great plan.
I am of the opinion that the writing style suggests an "and this happens and this happens" style, which some works I enjoy do use too. This style suggests to me that we are going to have to just roll with it. We should turn off our analytical machines and our attention to story details, and do or do not enjoy the spectacle. Coherence with source materials or even internal consistency is not something at which even Toriyama—sensei was particularly strong.
Well, I actually agree with everything you said, especially with the part about explaining any changes in the comment section, which should be shown in the comic itself, to avoid further confusion. You make some really good points!
Sometimes I do tend to overanalyze things too here and there, but this story is probably really one of those, where you maybe shouldn't do that. For me personally, that's mostly because of Broly. Especially DBM Broly. I just don't like how extremely broken he is and he has like zero character. The only pleasant surprise was actually U3 Broly. But that's just my opinion. I'm sure there are a lot of people who still like this Broly, and that's totally fine of course.
Though one thing that actually bothered me most, was that Cell got killed immediately off screen, before we even saw the start of the fight. Especially since Cell is one of my favorite characters. Not that it would've made a huge difference later on, but I wanted to see him fight a little bit at least.
Well, actually I agree with everything you said in your comment too. Are we now friends or something? Lol!
I am 100% on board with your Broly comment. Broly was my favorite DBZ movie, but he's become one of my least favorite stand-ins for a character. And, I am not a fan of the DBM version either. Not that I blame DBM for going the Broly route.
Actually, I know we discourage Super talk here, but this just for compare and contrast. I actually like Super Broly until he loses his mind. I get that berserker is part of his character, but I prefer the fights that have spectacle and emotional/moral/narrative weight to them. I will gladly sacrifice some spectacle (I keep using that word today. I must have a bias today. Maybe I need glasses and this is my subconscious telling me.) for some more punch in the e/m/n (see previous sentence) department. So when you get a berserker, I find it lacks the e/m/n and in order wow the fans, it has to up the spectacle to 11. Many times 11 is to the point where you don't even know what is happening, but it looks like something cool happened. I suppose that's enough for most, but I am sadly not among you. I really wish I could consume media like I did as a teen, but unfortunately time has won a few rounds on me. (I am still going for a KO in round 6 or 7)
I am also a big Cell fan. He's always been one of my favorite villains and characters. When I was a kid and moved to Japan, Cell was the big bad. Cell was everywhere. And my goodness, he was so cool looking. When my friends and I were pretending to be DBZ characters, I was always Cell and kicking the crap out of the other kids. True story — minus the friends part, I did not have friends (kidding). I have a huge soft spot for the big green menace. It was such a good idea too for the next challenge the legendary Super Saiya-Jin would face considering they were supposed to be the best warriors in the galaxy. They would have to face themselves. Brilliant! Much better than androids. Now, that I am older, I see so much wasted potential in Cell. I do not want to see Cell at the max because that was just gross, but I would have liked to see Cell reach a little more of his potential with perhaps more internal conflict based on the varying genetics and instincts that make him up.
Regardless, there is so much agreement happening that this surely cannot be the comment section of DBM. /joke
Bird Mountain
January 10th
ZenBuu was saying:
Damian Qualshy was saying: ZenBuu was saying: Who says Janemba needs to be at the exact same powerlevel as he was in fusion reborn? This movie isn't canon to DBM, or let's say it never really happened like that in all the other universes. Where XXI got Janemba from, is still a mystery. Anyway... not to mention this story here isn't canon to DBM either.
So there is some leeway here to make Janemba stronger than in fusion reborn. Timeline wise, this here is also 13 years after the Buu Saga, which could've been enough time to accumulate more evil souls for the machine to gather, thus making this Janemba here stronger in the process.
earth1superman was saying: Everyone in the universe is dead at this point. This Janemba was made with a lot more evil than any other iteration to ever be seen.
Not everyone is dead yet in this universe. At least Namek still exists for example. Broly didn't had enough time to destroy the whole universe in just one year.
But yeah, you basically think the same as me! :)
No it wouldn't let "more souls accumulate" because the reason why Janemba was born in the first place is machine OVERLOAD. Meaning it has a LIMIT. You can make the argument about the power of those souls alone, but since all of them are just clouds and no bodies (so pretty weak) means this Janemba should be on the same level as movie Janemba. Doesn't even matter, because Broly should absolutely decimate him with that previous blast, and even this hit alone should send him into the Shadow Realm.
I chuckled when I saw Broly just change focus onto the demon, completely forgetting about Gogeta, so that's a point. Doesn't fix that Janemba is here and is that much durable and yada yada, but it's still funny.
Then I would like to hear your explanation, why Janemba just appeared now and not 13 years earlier, like in fusion reborn? Broly killed a lot of people in the meantime including everyone on earth... so going by this logic, this Janemba can definitely be stronger than the one we know.
And again... Since this isn't canon to DBM, things can be changed. Same like Salagir changed Coola's revenge or the first 2 Broly movies to fit into the continuity. Which clearly seems to be the case here, otherwise Janemba would've already appeared earlier during the Buu Saga. That "limit" you are talking about, can also be higher for all we know.
Additionally, the other users here make some good arguments too.
So there is some leeway here to make Janemba stronger than in fusion reborn. Timeline wise, this here is also 13 years after the Buu Saga, which could've been enough time to accumulate more evil souls for the machine to gather, thus making this Janemba here stronger in the process.
earth1superman was saying: Everyone in the universe is dead at this point. This Janemba was made with a lot more evil than any other iteration to ever be seen.
Not everyone is dead yet in this universe. At least Namek still exists for example. Broly didn't had enough time to destroy the whole universe in just one year.
But yeah, you basically think the same as me! :)
No it wouldn't let "more souls accumulate" because the reason why Janemba was born in the first place is machine OVERLOAD. Meaning it has a LIMIT. You can make the argument about the power of those souls alone, but since all of them are just clouds and no bodies (so pretty weak) means this Janemba should be on the same level as movie Janemba. Doesn't even matter, because Broly should absolutely decimate him with that previous blast, and even this hit alone should send him into the Shadow Realm.
I chuckled when I saw Broly just change focus onto the demon, completely forgetting about Gogeta, so that's a point. Doesn't fix that Janemba is here and is that much durable and yada yada, but it's still funny.
Then I would like to hear your explanation, why Janemba just appeared now and not 13 years earlier, like in fusion reborn? Broly killed a lot of people in the meantime including everyone on earth... so going by this logic, this Janemba can definitely be stronger than the one we know.
And again... Since this isn't canon to DBM, things can be changed. Same like Salagir changed Coola's revenge or the first 2 Broly movies to fit into the continuity. Which clearly seems to be the case here, otherwise Janemba would've already appeared earlier during the Buu Saga. That "limit" you are talking about, can also be higher for all we know.
Additionally, the other users here make some good arguments too.
But what you're doing is filling in the gaps for the author. We all do it for works with which we are invested. And in DBZA Zarbon's voice, "Not that there is anything wrong with that." But, it is really no response to those who point out the characterization inconsistency. I suspect that you would be a good author, but as commentors, we can only work with what we have. Speculation about what the author could but hasn't done is just as valuable as speculation about what year the one after the next extinction level meteor will hit Earth. Sure, maybe it could happen, but until it materializes into something tangible with more than speculation, it is at best of little value.
Insert transition to a general comment here not really at anyone.
If you use a character from previously existing source material with which you can expect your audience is familiar without any in-story (meaning in your derivative work, derivative not in pejorative sense but that your work or parts of your work are dependent on the existence of other works) characterization, the audience can only rely on their knowledge of the character from previously existing work. If the author relies on changes to source material in a derived work in order for their story to make narrative and logical sense, (s)he must inform the audience of these changes in the story or it will confuse the audience. The audience in general will want to know these differences as soon as possible to avoid confusion setting in and to better and more easily understand the plot. If you delay, you get arguments like isn't Janemba a little bit stronger than his only appearance.
Now, it could be that we are premature, and the author intends to inform the audience of Janemba's increased power levels as compared to the original material. Or, it could be that the author intend his comment on this page to suffice. I would submit that the comment in the comments page is not a great plan.
I am of the opinion that the writing style suggests an "and this happens and this happens" style, which some works I enjoy do use too. This style suggests to me that we are going to have to just roll with it. We should turn off our analytical machines and our attention to story details, and do or do not enjoy the spectacle. Coherence with source materials or even internal consistency is not something at which even Toriyama—sensei was particularly strong. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
December 29th
Damian Qualshy was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: somethings silly that should be read by no one.
Maybe she got the M-word pass from TFS, who knows
Maybe she got the M-word pass from TFS, who knows
I suppose, like the number of licks it takes to get to the center of the Tootsie Roll Pop, the world may never know.
Bird Mountain
December 27th
I am just grateful Bra did not fuse with a character with a name that ends in less -- then she might end up being Braless and very terrifying.
Also moral question: since Chibi Bio Bra is 1/2 does she get a n-word pass? She's half green but all mortal. Though I bet if asked, she would identify as godly. Does that count? Can she use nin-gen? Or can only mortals use it since it is our word for ourselves and she's good regardless? 1 Replie(s)
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Also moral question: since Chibi Bio Bra is 1/2 does she get a n-word pass? She's half green but all mortal. Though I bet if asked, she would identify as godly. Does that count? Can she use nin-gen? Or can only mortals use it since it is our word for ourselves and she's good regardless? 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
December 17th
Yo, Vegetto, my man, I know your wife normally appreciates your tongue action, but if you keep talking like you're doing in the second row first panel, you're going to get your tongue sunburned or worse caught in an elevator door. Why are you using so much tongue in words that require you to flick down and pull back? Why are you putting so much emphasis on the H?
Also, until I get a more definitive reference, I can't help but hear Cartman's mocking and repeating voice when I read gnagnagna. I am pretty sure that is not the reference, but it is where the crazy train upon which my mind is but a passenger has taken us today.
P.S.
ZGrssd, you're totally right. I forgot that was a Lego Movie reference. Look at you being awesome. You're a person of good culture.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 183
Also, until I get a more definitive reference, I can't help but hear Cartman's mocking and repeating voice when I read gnagnagna. I am pretty sure that is not the reference, but it is where the crazy train upon which my mind is but a passenger has taken us today.
P.S.
ZGrssd, you're totally right. I forgot that was a Lego Movie reference. Look at you being awesome. You're a person of good culture.
Bird Mountain
November 12th
le nuage was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: happywarrior99 was saying:
Yes, the Doctor Slump remake showed Arale transforming into her super saiyan form.
Man, did they have a Super Saiya-Jin bargin sale or something? Even a little robot girl can develop S-cells and get a tingling in the back? Oh, the Saiyan-ity.
On other topics, I did not mean to sound sarcastic before. I was just trying to be funny. I do appreciate the trivia and cannon information genuinely.
Nah, it's just the yellow mexican isekai filter.
Yes, the Doctor Slump remake showed Arale transforming into her super saiyan form.
Man, did they have a Super Saiya-Jin bargin sale or something? Even a little robot girl can develop S-cells and get a tingling in the back? Oh, the Saiyan-ity.
On other topics, I did not mean to sound sarcastic before. I was just trying to be funny. I do appreciate the trivia and cannon information genuinely.
Nah, it's just the yellow mexican isekai filter.
HAHAHAHAHA! I did not expect Bra's Isekai to be Mexico. That reminds me of that South Park episode where Kenny goes to Mexico and they think it is hell by mistake. Does Bra's Super Saiyan 3 form involve a poncho in this Isekai? Regardless if she went to Isekai Mexico, I was talking about Dr. Slump and Arale being Super Saiyan according to the esteemed happywarror99. I haven't read Dr. Slump so I can't verify for sure. Yellow Mexican Isekai filter really tickled me for some reason. I don't know why. Thanks for making my day a little better.
Bird Mountain
November 12th
happywarrior99 was saying:
Yes, the Doctor Slump remake showed Arale transforming into her super saiyan form.
Yes, the Doctor Slump remake showed Arale transforming into her super saiyan form.
Man, did they have a Super Saiya-Jin bargin sale or something? Even a little robot girl can develop S-cells and get a tingling in the back? Oh, the Saiyan-ity.
On other topics, I did not mean to sound sarcastic before. I was just trying to be funny. I do appreciate the trivia and cannon information genuinely. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
November 12th
happywarrior99 was saying:
U2 Mary Sue is neither a goddess nor a demigoddess. The Vargas did not mention any deity when they mentioned what species U2 Mary Sue is a hybrid of.
I don't need to know that woman's genetics or background to see that she is a goddess. Thanks for the information. I'll try to keep it in mind next time I enter a discussion regarding genetics.
Quick question for you: Do you think Arale would still give Mary Sue a massive L even in her...ehem...Lssj-Popo-Capable form? I mean she did ride out the Popo, but I am not ure even she can overcome the gag character. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
November 11th
Dang, Mr. Popo. Nice!!! Of course it would take a goddess with those abs to be able to last through the event with Mr. Popo.
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Bird Mountain
November 5th
What will she get kicked out of the Isekai for?
Will she defeat (or become) the demon lord in seconds?
Will the New Worlders complete a reverse summoning?
Will Truck-Kun declare defeat and return her?
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 177
Will she defeat (or become) the demon lord in seconds?
Will the New Worlders complete a reverse summoning?
Will Truck-Kun declare defeat and return her?
Bird Mountain
October 29th
Why do all of Freezer's friends prefer his older brother?
Because he is Cooler.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 176
Because he is Cooler.
Bird Mountain
October 21st
Wait, isn't Chibi-Bra Nega-duck... I meant Bra?
Her demonic doubles are generosity, laughter, kindness, loyalty, honesty, magic, and harmony?
Actually, this checks out. But how will the fusion defeat her? Oh, I get it. They are going to defeat her from the inside while she is fighting her better parts outside...
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 175
Her demonic doubles are generosity, laughter, kindness, loyalty, honesty, magic, and harmony?
Actually, this checks out. But how will the fusion defeat her? Oh, I get it. They are going to defeat her from the inside while she is fighting her better parts outside...
Bird Mountain
October 15th
Ha! I will take those characters for Mortal Kombat... I meant Dragon Ball Sparking Zero — though Chibi-Bra's plot armor Blast 1 ability may be too overpowered. I am going to go ahead and ask the devs to please nerf now.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 174
Bird Mountain
October 8th
Man, what a reference. I had never even heard of that show until now despite being like a fine wine myself (read aged).
Also, am I the only person who kept thinking about Trunks this whole strip? That drip should have had the likeness of The Drink, formerly known as the Juice Box, also known as Trunks. Then next week, The Cup, aka Vegeta, could catch the Drink drip.
For those asking why Trunks is called the Drink, you can look it up on YouTube by a creator named kobyshinobi. Warning: Strong language. It's a rap song, but a funny weird one. I am not sure if I can post the link. 1 Replie(s)
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 173
Also, am I the only person who kept thinking about Trunks this whole strip? That drip should have had the likeness of The Drink, formerly known as the Juice Box, also known as Trunks. Then next week, The Cup, aka Vegeta, could catch the Drink drip.
For those asking why Trunks is called the Drink, you can look it up on YouTube by a creator named kobyshinobi. Warning: Strong language. It's a rap song, but a funny weird one. I am not sure if I can post the link. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
September 30th
Okay... best page yet or at least one of the better pages so far. Made me laugh.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 172
Bird Mountain
September 28th
Evenmoardakka was saying:
Hey, I was just pointing out some obscure trivia!
I was kidding to be clear. I was just trying to find a way to use the word rule in a sentence with 34 to signal while I am not a man of culture, I am aware of that aspect of online culture. I am like the Captain America meme where he says I get that reference.
Bird Mountain
September 26th
Evenmoardakka was saying:
DrewSaga was saying: Bird Mountain was saying: Is that chemical XXX in the fourth panel?
Nah, it's Chemical XXI.
Chemical XXX is on Universe 34.
Nah, it's Chemical XXI.
Chemical XXX is on Universe 34.
Hey, isn't that against the rules or at least distasteful to mention in mixed company, you naughty dirty minded commenter? (/s)
Bird Mountain
September 26th
I don't know. All I know is if this page had Cold's first son in the last panel, it would be cooler.
DBMultiverse Special OAV - Broly Final War page 26
Bird Mountain
September 24th
Is that chemical XXX in the fourth panel?
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Bird Mountain
September 22nd
iron leaf was saying:
“Who can, does. Who can't, complains.”
“Who can, does. Who can't, complains.”
Well, complaining is a skill — some of us just choose to master it! Don't interrupt others' training please. They are in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber (aka DBM) training for the big leagues of complaining on YouTube or Twitter or whatever. Maybe there will be a Tournament of Complaining arc in the near future. Wait wait wait, tournaments are overdone in DB and probably in anime as a whole. Yeah, the first few times I loved them. But, after about 30 of them, they start to lose their pizazz. I mean I get why creators keep going back to tried and true formulas, but I mean don't you want to see things evolve beyond tournaments sometimes. (I am not talking about DBM's tournament to be clear)
Bird Mountain
September 22nd
Yeah, I have fallen into the category of people who have continued to follow something they once loved years after the love has turned into something akin to hate. I hate read Bleach for years during the 1000 year blood war arc. Am I crazy? Maybe, but not for that. Is it unhealthy? Maybe, but not really as I hope you will come to agree.
They say that hate is not the opposite of love, and I agree with that, especially in media. The things that I continued to follow for years after I started to hate them were things that I loved or at least really liked at one point. Things took a change or lost some of the appeal. I stood by them for a while believing that things will change back for the better. However, things did not, and they got worse. Because I developed a habit of reading or watching the thing that I once loved and now hate, I continued to check for new media. I wanted to know how it would end too as maybe some sort of off-shoot or derivative of the sunk-cost fallacy, and then after some time, I guess I wanted to see how bad bad could get.
What's even worse though is when that media does something that gives you hope that you might start to love it again. This just sets you up for more disappointment which will enhance your negative reaction when the media returns to the slide (in your opinion). The question is where does that disappointment come from? If I completely think something is trash and has no value, why am I disappointed?
What I hope you are reading between the lines here is that hate reading or watching in some cases is not all hate. It can be an expression of love for a work. Granted a love of the work at an earlier time, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It means that the work has impacted someone at some time in a positive way.
I know some fans hate to read constant negative messages about their beloved works, but that's a necessary consequence of living in a world where we share things with and among each other. I am not among you who believe that even my most favorite works are beyond criticism, even repeated by the same person for the same aspect, though criticism is not an excuse to be a jerk to be clear.
I think the purest form of love is love that acknowledges the truth of what that thing (or person) is — flaws and all, and loves that thing as it is knowing the truth of what something is. You love it not necessarily because of the flaws but loves the flaws too. I think that sets you up in a better position to accept that at times annoying (to you) ad nauseam repeated or constant criticism. I believe a blind to the truth fan is just as bad as a hater who has never even seen or read the work. Neither of them see the truth of the work, and that's annoying to me at least. (This is not to say that a fan must agree with any and all criticism)
Lastly, we are different people. Art is experienced in an individual way. Life's circumstances and experiences are unique for each person, and how art hits them must be taken in under their circumstances. Even a consensus of a large group of people or a commentary section is no proof that opinions are wrong. If you love or have had that love turn to hate, it doesn't matter how many people say the opposite. It doesn't suddenly make it any difference for you. Now, rightly, you may ask why debate and complain if it may not change anyone's opinion, but like art itself is a form of self-expression and an expression of individuality, so too is expressing love and criticism an expression of those things.
ZenBuu alludes to the "constructive" criticism can, "constructive" criticism is a form of gatekeeping criticism, and it is a form of silencing dissent by making the dissenter dissent in a way acceptable by those with whom they disagree. It should be seen as attempting to gain an unfair advantage in a discussion. What's "constructive" praise after all? And as far as I know, it is not a requirement for all comments to be "constructive".
DB Multiverse page 2394
They say that hate is not the opposite of love, and I agree with that, especially in media. The things that I continued to follow for years after I started to hate them were things that I loved or at least really liked at one point. Things took a change or lost some of the appeal. I stood by them for a while believing that things will change back for the better. However, things did not, and they got worse. Because I developed a habit of reading or watching the thing that I once loved and now hate, I continued to check for new media. I wanted to know how it would end too as maybe some sort of off-shoot or derivative of the sunk-cost fallacy, and then after some time, I guess I wanted to see how bad bad could get.
What's even worse though is when that media does something that gives you hope that you might start to love it again. This just sets you up for more disappointment which will enhance your negative reaction when the media returns to the slide (in your opinion). The question is where does that disappointment come from? If I completely think something is trash and has no value, why am I disappointed?
What I hope you are reading between the lines here is that hate reading or watching in some cases is not all hate. It can be an expression of love for a work. Granted a love of the work at an earlier time, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It means that the work has impacted someone at some time in a positive way.
I know some fans hate to read constant negative messages about their beloved works, but that's a necessary consequence of living in a world where we share things with and among each other. I am not among you who believe that even my most favorite works are beyond criticism, even repeated by the same person for the same aspect, though criticism is not an excuse to be a jerk to be clear.
I think the purest form of love is love that acknowledges the truth of what that thing (or person) is — flaws and all, and loves that thing as it is knowing the truth of what something is. You love it not necessarily because of the flaws but loves the flaws too. I think that sets you up in a better position to accept that at times annoying (to you) ad nauseam repeated or constant criticism. I believe a blind to the truth fan is just as bad as a hater who has never even seen or read the work. Neither of them see the truth of the work, and that's annoying to me at least. (This is not to say that a fan must agree with any and all criticism)
Lastly, we are different people. Art is experienced in an individual way. Life's circumstances and experiences are unique for each person, and how art hits them must be taken in under their circumstances. Even a consensus of a large group of people or a commentary section is no proof that opinions are wrong. If you love or have had that love turn to hate, it doesn't matter how many people say the opposite. It doesn't suddenly make it any difference for you. Now, rightly, you may ask why debate and complain if it may not change anyone's opinion, but like art itself is a form of self-expression and an expression of individuality, so too is expressing love and criticism an expression of those things.
ZenBuu alludes to the "constructive" criticism can, "constructive" criticism is a form of gatekeeping criticism, and it is a form of silencing dissent by making the dissenter dissent in a way acceptable by those with whom they disagree. It should be seen as attempting to gain an unfair advantage in a discussion. What's "constructive" praise after all? And as far as I know, it is not a requirement for all comments to be "constructive".
Bird Mountain
August 7th
thebritwriter was saying:
All that’s missing to maximise cringe factor is to throw in Public Service Announcements for kids which end with everyone showing one big happy grin.
SSJ2 Bra laughing manically while floating away from the destroyed planet with her brother bumps into Vegetto, and the surprise knocks her out of SSJ2.
Bra: Mr. Vegetto, what happened?
Vegetto: Bra, you lost control as a SSJ2.
Bra: Sorry, Mr. Vegetto, I was just seeing how high I could raise my power level. I did not think anything bad would happen.
Vegetto: Remember never go Super Saiyan 2 without proper supervision of a parent or guardian.
Bra: Thanks, now I know.
Vegetto: And knowing is half of the battle.
~Dragon Ball~ (sung to the tune of G.I. Joe of the 80s)
Wow, the PSA practically writes itself. Too bad the other half of the battle is the actually doing part, and Bra isn't too successful in that part of the battle.
P.S. Is it bad that I did not recognize the English translation of the DB opening song? No, it is the children who are wrong.
Bird Mountain
July 30th 2024
Cringe-Dama does indeed fit the bill re: comment last week.
The numbers this week are all over the place. She is the only one, and she says there are two weaknesses while holding up three of four fingers. So, there is a 1, 2, 3, 4 pattern that my brain is going to obsess over now.
Also, I am not sure where the 18+ stuff gets inserted but apparently it is much much larger than we can handle. Is that 18 times greater than or is that 18+ years of age or is that universe 18+? Oh my. I am not sure my body is ready for that level, but I suppose someone is going to enjoy themselves no matter the answer while being completely legal.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 163
The numbers this week are all over the place. She is the only one, and she says there are two weaknesses while holding up three of four fingers. So, there is a 1, 2, 3, 4 pattern that my brain is going to obsess over now.
Also, I am not sure where the 18+ stuff gets inserted but apparently it is much much larger than we can handle. Is that 18 times greater than or is that 18+ years of age or is that universe 18+? Oh my. I am not sure my body is ready for that level, but I suppose someone is going to enjoy themselves no matter the answer while being completely legal.
Bird Mountain
July 23rd 2024
le nuage was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: It would be awesome if her next attack was something like cruel dama (genki dama, but cruel energy);
Well, have you noticed the spheres accumulating at the bottom of the page ?
Well, have you noticed the spheres accumulating at the bottom of the page ?
I tend to ignore balls, especially those hanging low. Kidding! I feel like I am getting ready to be amazed. I think you are even going to get Garfield to look forward to Mondays.
Bird Mountain
July 23rd 2024
Bra flexing like Sir Flexanor aka Escanor is great. It would be awesome if her next attack was something like cruel dama (genki dama, but cruel energy); I am just spitballing here so cut me some slack — unlike what Chibi-Bra is going to do to Kawaii-Bra.
Also, comment section, I enjoyed reading your comments. Very funny. I am firmly in the camp that Son Bra simps don't actually exist; they merely think they do. Those "simps" are just Bra's PR team trying to make her seem more loved and relevant than she actually is. Chibi-Bra on the other hand, I non-pedo and not-sexually simp her for in real life, and I am definitely not a Bra PR AI bot. At least that's what a not PR AI bot would say, right? 2 Replie(s)
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Also, comment section, I enjoyed reading your comments. Very funny. I am firmly in the camp that Son Bra simps don't actually exist; they merely think they do. Those "simps" are just Bra's PR team trying to make her seem more loved and relevant than she actually is. Chibi-Bra on the other hand, I non-pedo and not-sexually simp her for in real life, and I am definitely not a Bra PR AI bot. At least that's what a not PR AI bot would say, right? 2 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
July 10th 2024
8x Makkanko-Dodonpa because she has 4 fingers on each hand? That's brilliant. She's pointing all her fingers at the enemy like Dodonpa!!! So funny. I love it!
Also, I did not know the furries produce too much milk. I never thought of that problem before. I suppose it would be a problem. Mental Mr. Blue Popo is a wise mentor, and hilarious.
Excellent page; it really made me laugh.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 160
Also, I did not know the furries produce too much milk. I never thought of that problem before. I suppose it would be a problem. Mental Mr. Blue Popo is a wise mentor, and hilarious.
Excellent page; it really made me laugh.
Bird Mountain
June 6th 2024
Good refs, but I can't believe that everyone is glassing over the fact that we just learned that Son Bra stuffs her bra. The questions you should be asking are two-fold:
1. How does Bra mean that she stuffs her bra? She could have been referring to herself in the third person. Bra stuffs bra, or bra stuffs Bra or bra stuffs bra or, most scandalous, Bra stuffs Bra. I mean in early Dragon Ball the dragon balls were small enough that they could be accurately described as beads... You're welcome, friends. You won't be able to get that thought out of your head now
2. How will Bra live down the shame that everyone will know that she is underdeveloped compared to the other female students of her age? Will she still be the asthetic queen? Or will she even be the leader with this sad admission going forward? Hopefully, her power and willingness to murder the occasional family member will keep her on top of the social hierarchy.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 155
1. How does Bra mean that she stuffs her bra? She could have been referring to herself in the third person. Bra stuffs bra, or bra stuffs Bra or bra stuffs bra or, most scandalous, Bra stuffs Bra. I mean in early Dragon Ball the dragon balls were small enough that they could be accurately described as beads... You're welcome, friends. You won't be able to get that thought out of your head now
2. How will Bra live down the shame that everyone will know that she is underdeveloped compared to the other female students of her age? Will she still be the asthetic queen? Or will she even be the leader with this sad admission going forward? Hopefully, her power and willingness to murder the occasional family member will keep her on top of the social hierarchy.
Bird Mountain
May 16th 2024
We all know that calling someone passive results in a massive personality change, and renders you suddenly docile and easily suggestible. I thought this was supposed to be a parody not reality.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 152
Bird Mountain
March 26th 2024
le nuage was saying:
Rodriog was saying: papupata was saying: She's come to kick bubble gum and chew ass
I thought the same missed opportunity
If you think that, it means you missed the ref :(
FishNChips was saying: I sooo want that free hat!
Let's free hat McCullough !
I thought the same missed opportunity
If you think that, it means you missed the ref :(
FishNChips was saying: I sooo want that free hat!
Let's free hat McCullough !
Hat McMullough acted in the self-defense. That many babies together can be like piranha.
Also, "Rowdy" Roddy Piper too. Man, I am beginning to think the author of this strip is older than I would have imaged.
That being said, I think Frosties has point.
Great comic. I don't comment every week, but I read every week. I look more forward to this comic than I do the main DBM one. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
June 5th 2023
"Far much faster," is this a ref?
I know Bra told them to hold hands, but Vegeta should have put up more resistance. Maybe they miss being inside each other, and that is why Vegeta went along with it with minimal resistance. Besides, it seems like Goku always gets what he wants out of Vegeta.
Also, why would you want to die faster without being stronger at least? Who knew Bra could kill them so easily.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 102
I know Bra told them to hold hands, but Vegeta should have put up more resistance. Maybe they miss being inside each other, and that is why Vegeta went along with it with minimal resistance. Besides, it seems like Goku always gets what he wants out of Vegeta.
Also, why would you want to die faster without being stronger at least? Who knew Bra could kill them so easily.
Bird Mountain
May 30th 2023
What are some other things that Bra will never say?
Hmmm. Oh!
"It's my fault."
"I promise to not murder again."
"I love my brothers."
"Vegetto is the best dad."
"Philpsil does not fill out those pants."
"You're right, Gohan, and I was wrong."
"I can understand why you don't like me."
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 101
Hmmm. Oh!
"It's my fault."
"I promise to not murder again."
"I love my brothers."
"Vegetto is the best dad."
"Philpsil does not fill out those pants."
"You're right, Gohan, and I was wrong."
"I can understand why you don't like me."
Bird Mountain
May 2nd 2023
Wow! I am having flashbacks to my ex-gf. She didn't like advice either; she finally listened to her friend's advice though and broke up... I meant that I totally broke up with her. Maybe Bra will finally take some advice and be happier... I meant miserable. Yeah, that's what I meant. These tears are tears of joy; I mean Chibi-Bra makes me happy.
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Bird Mountain
April 24th 2023
Someone tell Bra that she is still green when it comes to fighting despite having been blue in color. Of course leg length matters; that's why you got taken to Linkin Park!! You're better than that Bra.
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Bird Mountain
April 11th 2023
Vegeta's cells just refuse to be short again.
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Bird Mountain
April 3rd 2023
Oh my!!! I thought for a second there something other than her hair was going to grow larger. Boobs. I was talking about her boobs.
In other news, I was not expecting the Android 13 power up. What a clever twist. Too bad it won't be enough against worst dad in the universe because he doesn't want his daughter to go on an universe level murder spree... like she's some sort of troubled teen. Hmmmm... that's a weird similarity. I mean I could see Bra going to Orange Star High School with a couple of ki blasts ready.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 94
In other news, I was not expecting the Android 13 power up. What a clever twist. Too bad it won't be enough against worst dad in the universe because he doesn't want his daughter to go on an universe level murder spree... like she's some sort of troubled teen. Hmmmm... that's a weird similarity. I mean I could see Bra going to Orange Star High School with a couple of ki blasts ready.
Bird Mountain
March 12th 2023
MrPerson0 was saying:
Xeno was saying: Sorry to disappoint you (and many, I guess), but it's officialy confirmed (by Asura and co in yesterday's stream) they're nowhere near Bra SSJ2. They didn't literally spell out "they are exactly between A and B", but they were pretty blunt about them not being in Bra/Vegetto tiers.
Really hope Salagir goes back on this. I always found it silly to think Goku and Vegeta couldn't get much stronger in 20 years after the Buu Saga.
Really hope Salagir goes back on this. I always found it silly to think Goku and Vegeta couldn't get much stronger in 20 years after the Buu Saga.
I mean have you met Bra. The very universe that she exists in even acknowledges her superiority. Goku and Vegeta are still characters in a universe. SSJ2 Bra is not limited by such nonsense. Even the people she kills love her instantly. No amount of training can help you reach that level. Ironically, she proves Vegeta right from his first fight with Goku. There are levels of power that no amount of training or character development can reach.
Bird Mountain
March 12th 2023
Okay, that was pretty cool. Hopefully, we will get the Krillen vs Jackie Chun slow-motion replay. It seems like Goku wins the rock-paper-scissor battle this time. Vegeta should have chosen wisely-er.
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Bird Mountain
February 28th 2023
Dang!!! If I was capable of feeling more than one feeling at a time, I might have felt something like sympathy for Bra. Good thing having a limited emotional bandwidth has saved me once again.
Meanwhile, Kakarot is thinking at least you met your dad and not fired off into space because your whole society judged you to be garbage from birth. Vegeta is thinking at least you weren't sent off to murder a bunch of innocent people... wait a minute. I guess Bra is still more Vegeta's kid even in this universe.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 89
Meanwhile, Kakarot is thinking at least you met your dad and not fired off into space because your whole society judged you to be garbage from birth. Vegeta is thinking at least you weren't sent off to murder a bunch of innocent people... wait a minute. I guess Bra is still more Vegeta's kid even in this universe.
Bird Mountain
February 23rd 2023
This is cool, except Buu failed to Psycho Mantis me and my location accurately. Take that Buu. Can I get a wish? Can can we get some consequences for Bra? Oh, that's beyond even your power? Rats!
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Bird Mountain
February 23rd 2023
So what are the odds of them doing image fighting at the edge of the ring before one of them concedes to defeat? Personally, I hope that happens. I will love it. It was so intense and suspenseful and the stakes can't be higher. Wow! Goku and Vegeta doing that will raise it to the next level.
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Bird Mountain
February 7th 2023
Vegetto always answers destiny's call. Somebody tell Bulma that Vegetto has a new lady in his life, Destiny. Bulma, baby, there's three people in this marriage, me, you, and Destiny. She doesn't always return your phone call or show up when you want, but when she does, Vegetto is raring to go.
Do you think the amount of TP that Vegetto is using is proportional to the poop in his life? I don't think he is actually pooping with his pants on... so there has to another mess that he has to be cleaning up and oh man, it looks like it is a large mess.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 86
Do you think the amount of TP that Vegetto is using is proportional to the poop in his life? I don't think he is actually pooping with his pants on... so there has to another mess that he has to be cleaning up and oh man, it looks like it is a large mess.
Bird Mountain
January 9th 2023
PrinceOfTheHood was saying:
Can You or someone else Please explain what "Android 21" is saying there ? I think it's ... ... "spanish" ... ... ??
Can You or someone else Please explain what "Android 21" is saying there ? I think it's ... ... "spanish" ... ... ??
It's a Steins;Gate reference. Great Anime. Android 21 could be an Okabe in the DB universe for sure.
Bird Mountain
January 3rd 2023
The condom couldn't withstand SSJ3, but somehow I think it could withstand SSJ Blue......... balls.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 81
Bird Mountain
December 27th 2022
I love the balls in the first panel before you realize that they are femboys. This is Christopher Nolan Memento style of putting you in the mind of the characters. You think that you are seeing a hot female waitress' panties, but instead you are getting a look at the ball sack of a waitor.
Once Trunks started screaming, I realized that I was had too. I share your pain Trunks. It is too soon for me too.
Also, I didn't know a little bit of Trunk's angst was a latent attraction to Android 17. Oh my!!! Android 17's rejection here is what caused him to go on the genocide run.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 80
Once Trunks started screaming, I realized that I was had too. I share your pain Trunks. It is too soon for me too.
Also, I didn't know a little bit of Trunk's angst was a latent attraction to Android 17. Oh my!!! Android 17's rejection here is what caused him to go on the genocide run.
Bird Mountain
December 20th 2022
Well, it is official that Vegetto sperm is merged Kakarot and Vegeta sperm. I wasn't sure if one testicle produced mostly Vegeta DNA while the other produced mostly Gokou DNA, or if every other one was produced respective to the original.
Also, Look Who's Talking? How old are you? God, I have not even thought of those movies since early 1990 - something. Talk about your blast from the past. Well, I guess this whole page is about getting a load off, and remembering the past can help you do that.
We also learned that Bra is a never nudist. It is not her fault though (just like everything else), she was just born that way.
P.S. I just remembered that Kirstie Alley died recently. That's probably why that movie was on the brain...and possibly you have other things on the mind. We'll know what happened if in 9 months you have to take a break.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 79
Also, Look Who's Talking? How old are you? God, I have not even thought of those movies since early 1990 - something. Talk about your blast from the past. Well, I guess this whole page is about getting a load off, and remembering the past can help you do that.
We also learned that Bra is a never nudist. It is not her fault though (just like everything else), she was just born that way.
P.S. I just remembered that Kirstie Alley died recently. That's probably why that movie was on the brain...and possibly you have other things on the mind. We'll know what happened if in 9 months you have to take a break.
Bird Mountain
December 13th 2022
I know this is a low effort comment from me, but I love this page!!! Gohan split in two? Genius, farmer, genius.
This page sums up my feelings about the situation perfectly! Nuage needs his pay doubled yesterday (yes, I know. Don't at me).
Gohan tossed her a little bit too hard while having a weak stomach, but even that can't keep him from being happy for Bra. Nothing in the universe makes the cast not happy for Bra. Shenron when a wish is made to make someone not happy with Bra says, "This I cannot do; it is beyond my powers."
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 78
This page sums up my feelings about the situation perfectly! Nuage needs his pay doubled yesterday (yes, I know. Don't at me).
Igyzone was saying:
Gohan was so happy that he detached his own body.
Gohan tossed her a little bit too hard while having a weak stomach, but even that can't keep him from being happy for Bra. Nothing in the universe makes the cast not happy for Bra. Shenron when a wish is made to make someone not happy with Bra says, "This I cannot do; it is beyond my powers."
Bird Mountain
December 5th 2022
Stevethebarbarian was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: She's totally a dominatrix with Phipsil. I wonder what their safe word would be?
“Passive.”
“Passive.”
Too good! Too Good! I wish I would have thought of that one. Well-done!!! hahahahahaha
Bird Mountain
December 5th 2022
Oh burn... Your fanfic sucks, Bra.
However, Gast's feeling in the last panel is what I felt reading the "mental battle." I was like, I can't wait to get to the actual fight. ZZZZzZZzzz! Little did I know that it was going to be like that time my dad went out for beer and smokes and to pick up a cake for my birthday.
Oh, and I guess I should point out that Bra's inflatable doll is probably what some of you jokers were imagining when Bra mentioned imagining what to do with a 16 year old girl. I wonder if Bra is into a kink. She's totally a dominatrix with Phipsil. I wonder what their safe word would be? 1 Replie(s)
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 77
However, Gast's feeling in the last panel is what I felt reading the "mental battle." I was like, I can't wait to get to the actual fight. ZZZZzZZzzz! Little did I know that it was going to be like that time my dad went out for beer and smokes and to pick up a cake for my birthday.
Oh, and I guess I should point out that Bra's inflatable doll is probably what some of you jokers were imagining when Bra mentioned imagining what to do with a 16 year old girl. I wonder if Bra is into a kink. She's totally a dominatrix with Phipsil. I wonder what their safe word would be? 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
November 24th 2022
Beni-Kujaku was saying:
Bird Mountain was saying: Pan, not you too! Say it isn't so! Say it isn't so. I thought you were the only one to have a sane reaction, but you are able to realize that she is a different person because she decides not to kill everyone this time? Pan, I am sorry that you have been abused so much that you jump to praise an abuser because they didn't abuse you this one time. I hope that emotional high gets you through at least the next two abuse cycles. Yeah, yeah... Mind controlled because she was evil, but even if we ignore the majin thing, she's also murdered before. She will murder again, but we have to praise her because she didn't murder this time. I feel for all those around her who have their mental health affected by being under constant threat.
"Jump to praise an abuser because they didn't abuse you this one time"? That's basically the exact opposite that is happening here. She's never seen Bra as an abuser, just as a cool aunt/sister with whom she played her whole childhood. That's who she's remembering in the first panel. Bra turned SSJ2 and berserk literally twice in her life before the Babidi debacle, once in the special with the Jaykals, and once against Broly during the Multiverse tournament. Pan didn't see either one of these occurences. Majin Bra traumatized her, because she never saw Bra that way. Now she's basically asking herself if she should judge her aunt on this one event or on what she has always known of her. Son Bra was just a normal girl (or as normal as a super powered alien could be), loving to her family, with her temper and impulsive, but not much more than any other teenager. She has always been cocky, with reasons. After all, she's the number 2 of the universe. It's the same cockiness as Goku telling to Freeza he's boring. When she's not an 8 year old child anymore, she understands that what she did as a SSJ2 is bad, almost traumatizingly so, which is why she just bursts into tears after going SSJ2 in space against Buu. It's just something she thought she left behind her 10 years ago, and she realized that her control didn't improve in SSJ2.
Pan here is wondering if she could put 16 years of good in Bra before one hour of mind-controlled absolute evil.
Seeing Bra as an all-time abuser is very much a flawed vision, based on the fact that most of the times we see Bra in flashbacks is when she has to fight and shows her lack of control. This page tries to show that these were singular events happening scarcely along years of calm.
"Jump to praise an abuser because they didn't abuse you this one time"? That's basically the exact opposite that is happening here. She's never seen Bra as an abuser, just as a cool aunt/sister with whom she played her whole childhood. That's who she's remembering in the first panel. Bra turned SSJ2 and berserk literally twice in her life before the Babidi debacle, once in the special with the Jaykals, and once against Broly during the Multiverse tournament. Pan didn't see either one of these occurences. Majin Bra traumatized her, because she never saw Bra that way. Now she's basically asking herself if she should judge her aunt on this one event or on what she has always known of her. Son Bra was just a normal girl (or as normal as a super powered alien could be), loving to her family, with her temper and impulsive, but not much more than any other teenager. She has always been cocky, with reasons. After all, she's the number 2 of the universe. It's the same cockiness as Goku telling to Freeza he's boring. When she's not an 8 year old child anymore, she understands that what she did as a SSJ2 is bad, almost traumatizingly so, which is why she just bursts into tears after going SSJ2 in space against Buu. It's just something she thought she left behind her 10 years ago, and she realized that her control didn't improve in SSJ2.
Pan here is wondering if she could put 16 years of good in Bra before one hour of mind-controlled absolute evil.
Seeing Bra as an all-time abuser is very much a flawed vision, based on the fact that most of the times we see Bra in flashbacks is when she has to fight and shows her lack of control. This page tries to show that these were singular events happening scarcely along years of calm.
Wow, thanks for your response. I see that you are using mainly the events seen in panels to justify your response rather than thinking about the world as if it is an actual world. Do you think the story of Bra blowing up her brother or a whole planet didn't reach Pan, and even hearing that story isn't trauma? Do you think that does not frighten Pan? I find it highly unlikely that the murder of a family does not get spread around when in most families, gossip spreads faster than haters of Bra can type a comment. I think there are behaviors and interactions that happen between the panels. Bra is probably a precocious little brat, arrogant, threatening, etc. in similar but less dramatic ways. Not all abuse is dramatic, and abusers often use the good times to help you forget and forgive the bad times. Abuse does not require all-time abuse, and in this case, Bra has shown multiple instances of abuse. So, I doubt Bra was a perfect angel for 16 years, except a few limited exceptions, but I think she was Bra, with an evil heart, the entire time.
But hey, that's just me and like... my opinion. You do you, man, and if you want to see Bra as a hero or not even a heel turned face, by all means do so.
I understand the writers may be thinking the same thing as you, and they may even attempt to make that the cannon interpretation. That's cool, and I will continue to think that it is a little too unrelatable since that makes the world too fiction to realistically sympathize with Bra. It doesn't congeale with human nature (Saiyan are human analogs, and we understand them as being human with specific differences that have been outlined) as I understand it. While some abusers do change, it is generally with a lot of work and effort. What's more common in my experience is that an abuser makes an attempt to be better, is praised by their victims, then the abuser abuses again. Hence the abuse cycle. Abuse is not always done directly. That is why I thought it was a clever, and I thought slightly humorous way of expressing my disappointment in Pan's unwise choice to start to trust an abuser for not abusing this one time. Cause you know, if my sister dated a guy who got angry (justified or not), beats her once or twice, then she called me and said that she was proud of her bf for getting really mad and not beating her, I still tell her that she should leave. If her daughter, who despite not being beat herself, said something similar,I would definitely tell her that she should watch out and get out.
However like in the real world, we can find an excuse or justification for any behavior we want to justify, but we can also find any behavior as being insufficient. I can justify my sister's bf beating her by saying that she should not have done this or that, if his work hadn't done this, if his parents were better, if society was more fair..etc. But at the end of the day, he is responsible for his actions, even if he were a 15 year old... a 15 year old should know not to beat his girlfriend, and a 15 year old should know not to kill her brother — not even the Majin episode.
I appreciate your thinking on the matter, and I can appreciate your position. While it does not convince me to change my feelings/thinking, I can see that you are a reasonable person making your thoughts known.
I just want to express my opinion and tell jokes and hope one of folks laughs at a comment I make.
Bird Mountain
November 24th 2022
Pan, not you too! Say it isn't so! Say it isn't so. I thought you were the only one to have a sane reaction, but you are able to realize that she is a different person because she decides not to kill everyone this time? Pan, I am sorry that you have been abused so much that you jump to praise an abuser because they didn't abuse you this one time. I hope that emotional high gets you through at least the next two abuse cycles. Yeah, yeah... Mind controlled because she was evil, but even if we ignore the majin thing, she's also murdered before. She will murder again, but we have to praise her because she didn't murder this time. I feel for all those around her who have their mental health affected by being under constant threat.
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Bird Mountain
November 22nd 2022
Of Course Bra can do it. There isn't anything she can't do, except fight Gast in actual combat and avoid "accidentally" a family member. Also thanks for explaining the Lavate la manos, I wouldn't have gotten it.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 75
Bird Mountain
November 21st 2022
Stouty22 was saying:
Friend made this.
Tell your friend that this is hilarious and I will be showing it to my friends.
Bird Mountain
November 20th 2022
Majin is mind control with extra steps. If Bra wasn't a precocious... what's the word?no, not that... I am sure it will come to me... probably next Tuesday; I am busy on Mondays. So if she wasn't such a word that I will figure out some time next Tuesday, she would not have been able to be mind controlled. Worse, even if she was able to Majin'ed like yesterday's Dabura, she lacked the pride and other guard measures to resist that control. So the Goku 60% of Vegetto (let's face it, Goku is bigger) would be disappointed in her for being mind controlled in the first place, and remaining Vegeta 40% would be disappointed in her for actually listening to the voices in her head. 100% of me is disappointed in her lack of consequences. Though after all this time, I think I am ready to just let her just take her place as the most loved Z-Fighter and proclaim she has had extremely good character growth because she did a bad thing that everyone in her life laughed off because consequences are for good characters...I meant for other stories.
I tried to resist you, Bra, but I guess in the end, you outlasted my hate.
But then I read this page, and I remember that she didn't even try. Goku and Vegeta would have at least tried. Goku would have just shut down his mind and acted on instinct (what's that music I hear? Stop it. Stop it! That's not allowed here.), and he would have seen what he could have figured out in battle. The same is true for Vegeta. Even when Goku resigned from the Cell Games sponsored by Hetap, he was going to take a senzu and try to fight his way to victory against Cell if he needed to. Vegeta would have too; though it may take him awhile to get over big muscle guys with no irises. (He has a soft spot for guys with tails apparently. Maybe it is a fetish or something. Not that there is anything wrong with that.) So, I am torn by my desire to just let this go, and the embers of my hate being fed a little disrespect for her lack of effort. But, I am happy to see character growth even if came in a slightly rage inducing way.
Okay, I have decided that Bra has indeed beaten me down. Despite all my rage I am not going to be a rat in a cage but I guess I will just have to let this go. It pains me to do this, but I know it will get easier over time: Good job, Bra!!!!! For not killing everyone in sight!
DB Multiverse page 2108
I tried to resist you, Bra, but I guess in the end, you outlasted my hate.
But then I read this page, and I remember that she didn't even try. Goku and Vegeta would have at least tried. Goku would have just shut down his mind and acted on instinct (what's that music I hear? Stop it. Stop it! That's not allowed here.), and he would have seen what he could have figured out in battle. The same is true for Vegeta. Even when Goku resigned from the Cell Games sponsored by Hetap, he was going to take a senzu and try to fight his way to victory against Cell if he needed to. Vegeta would have too; though it may take him awhile to get over big muscle guys with no irises. (He has a soft spot for guys with tails apparently. Maybe it is a fetish or something. Not that there is anything wrong with that.) So, I am torn by my desire to just let this go, and the embers of my hate being fed a little disrespect for her lack of effort. But, I am happy to see character growth even if came in a slightly rage inducing way.
Okay, I have decided that Bra has indeed beaten me down. Despite all my rage I am not going to be a rat in a cage but I guess I will just have to let this go. It pains me to do this, but I know it will get easier over time: Good job, Bra!!!!! For not killing everyone in sight!
Bird Mountain
November 15th 2022
Poor other world. How many Bras do they have running around? Poor King Enma must be sick of seeing her come through his door. The Z fighters coming in and out using the dragon balls means there is only instance. One comes in; one comes out. This clone method of resurrection means many go in; none come out.
I wonder if she becomes the ruler of HIFL when she gets older. Naw...she's too good for that — although there was all the murder in her later years. Naw, she'll be fine.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 74
I wonder if she becomes the ruler of HIFL when she gets older. Naw...she's too good for that — although there was all the murder in her later years. Naw, she'll be fine.
Bird Mountain
November 9th 2022
Lolz!!!
"He had to spend the whole day gathering the dragon balls." Good one!
Wait! Can you imagine the grounding?
Bra: "Dad, I am going to Goten's party."
Vegetto: "I told you are grounded, young lady, for murdering your brother...again."
Bra: "I will just teleport to the party."
Vegetto: "Maybe you need to spend some time grounded in other world. I will gen you bark after your grounding is over."
Vegetto proceeds to kill Bra.
She misses the party.
Hahahahahahaha Then Vegetto would be father of year. 1 Replie(s)
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"He had to spend the whole day gathering the dragon balls." Good one!
Wait! Can you imagine the grounding?
Bra: "Dad, I am going to Goten's party."
Vegetto: "I told you are grounded, young lady, for murdering your brother...again."
Bra: "I will just teleport to the party."
Vegetto: "Maybe you need to spend some time grounded in other world. I will gen you bark after your grounding is over."
Vegetto proceeds to kill Bra.
She misses the party.
Hahahahahahaha Then Vegetto would be father of year. 1 Replie(s)
Bird Mountain
October 25th 2022
Ma-Oh (Demon King) Bra in a school uniform.... love it!
I wonder who is going to be Isekai'd to stop her. Truck-kun take me. I am ready to take her down!
(Yeah, I know she would be a Ma-JyoO, Demon Queen, but... I don't want her to slay, especially if we are talking about Isekai)
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 71
I wonder who is going to be Isekai'd to stop her. Truck-kun take me. I am ready to take her down!
(Yeah, I know she would be a Ma-JyoO, Demon Queen, but... I don't want her to slay, especially if we are talking about Isekai)
Bird Mountain
October 21st 2022
I didn't read everyone's comments because I am a terrible and lazy commenter. So, if I repeat a joke, I swear that it was derived independently.
That all being said, I have to agree with the comments that I did read that are happy that Bra, murderer before the M and after the M, has someone calling her out on her BS. Pan is the only character to see her for what she is. I applaud Pan for putting her life on the line to call that beast of a human out. Hopefully, they stick the landing by not having the universe bend over, like Zarbon, to make Pan suddenly realize that Bra is the bestest ever. I will be suddenly disappointed to see Pan and Bra making out in a few panels. Scratch that, I won't be disappointed; I will be getting what I expected.
I still think the Majin Bra idea was an excellent idea, and I hope she can actually grow in an earned way rather than an unearned way. Let's hope the writers have taken the "I love Bra no matter what glasses" that the rest of the characters have on, and love Bra as a writer should love her by giving her obstacles and growth from failing or succeeding in overcoming those obstacles. Personally, I think Bra has the most potential as a character, which makes it sad when, like my own potential in life, it is wasted. I don't want her potential to be sitting next to my potential at a bar wondering if this is the best you can do... She's better than that. And if she doesn't reach her potential, my wasted potential is better than that. So, we will all be further disappointed.
In closing, "Ganbare, Bra! you can be a good character. I believe in you."
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That all being said, I have to agree with the comments that I did read that are happy that Bra, murderer before the M and after the M, has someone calling her out on her BS. Pan is the only character to see her for what she is. I applaud Pan for putting her life on the line to call that beast of a human out. Hopefully, they stick the landing by not having the universe bend over, like Zarbon, to make Pan suddenly realize that Bra is the bestest ever. I will be suddenly disappointed to see Pan and Bra making out in a few panels. Scratch that, I won't be disappointed; I will be getting what I expected.
I still think the Majin Bra idea was an excellent idea, and I hope she can actually grow in an earned way rather than an unearned way. Let's hope the writers have taken the "I love Bra no matter what glasses" that the rest of the characters have on, and love Bra as a writer should love her by giving her obstacles and growth from failing or succeeding in overcoming those obstacles. Personally, I think Bra has the most potential as a character, which makes it sad when, like my own potential in life, it is wasted. I don't want her potential to be sitting next to my potential at a bar wondering if this is the best you can do... She's better than that. And if she doesn't reach her potential, my wasted potential is better than that. So, we will all be further disappointed.
In closing, "Ganbare, Bra! you can be a good character. I believe in you."
Bird Mountain
September 4th 2022
le nuage was saying:
Bird Mountain -> I like your point of view :D
Thanks! I like your point of view and comic too.
(Sorry to interrupt your normal internet with this moment of agreement. I return you to your regularly scheduled internet with disagreements already in progress.)
Bird Mountain
September 2nd 2022
Hey, man, if you disagree or do not like something that I do or have done, it is obviously only because you have corrupted motivations or are simply a bad person. The only reason!
Now that that's said. After the Freeza Saga, perhaps Vegeta realized that he had some pent up feelings for Kakarotto. That explains the animosity; there was a little bit of pent up love and sexual energy. Vegeta kept mentioning that he was the Saiyan prince because that is what he thought to himself when he was trying to repress his feelings for the Carrot Man. The Saiyan Prince can't have feelings for a lower-class. The Saiyan Prince can't be dominated by a lower-class. Oh my!
However, during the Buu saga, Vegeta embraced his feelings for Goku, and we know this because he called him number one. Number one — in his heart. After accepting this part of himself, I think he is now a little more open to reading yaoi fics about himself and his number one (bae). This may also explain Vegeta's reluctance to fuse, and why it infuriates him that Goku is so willing. "He doesn't have feelings for me and is not worried that I will find out," is no doubt running through the Prince's mind in a small way at least.
I can't imagine what Bulma would say if Vegeta confessed his feelings. ("I kinda get it" with a Shocked Pikachu face reaction from Vegeta) Yaoi is probably the only outlet for his love. Poor repressed Saiyan prince. Maybe he feels the same way as you do, but what if he doesn't — that's why you can never saying anything except through yaoi.
I never knew Vegeta was so tortured. I hope he gets a regular supply of yaoi... He's been through enough.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 62
Now that that's said. After the Freeza Saga, perhaps Vegeta realized that he had some pent up feelings for Kakarotto. That explains the animosity; there was a little bit of pent up love and sexual energy. Vegeta kept mentioning that he was the Saiyan prince because that is what he thought to himself when he was trying to repress his feelings for the Carrot Man. The Saiyan Prince can't have feelings for a lower-class. The Saiyan Prince can't be dominated by a lower-class. Oh my!
However, during the Buu saga, Vegeta embraced his feelings for Goku, and we know this because he called him number one. Number one — in his heart. After accepting this part of himself, I think he is now a little more open to reading yaoi fics about himself and his number one (bae). This may also explain Vegeta's reluctance to fuse, and why it infuriates him that Goku is so willing. "He doesn't have feelings for me and is not worried that I will find out," is no doubt running through the Prince's mind in a small way at least.
I can't imagine what Bulma would say if Vegeta confessed his feelings. ("I kinda get it" with a Shocked Pikachu face reaction from Vegeta) Yaoi is probably the only outlet for his love. Poor repressed Saiyan prince. Maybe he feels the same way as you do, but what if he doesn't — that's why you can never saying anything except through yaoi.
I never knew Vegeta was so tortured. I hope he gets a regular supply of yaoi... He's been through enough.
Bird Mountain
August 30th 2022
hahahahahahahahaha Yes! Great Work. I didn't think I needed this series before it was here but now that it is here, I am loving it, more than McD's.
Chibi Son Bra did her best! page 61
Bird Mountain
August 26th 2022
le nuage was saying:
When you organize something, always promise free stuff, even if it's fake.
Like... "Free hat", for example :D
Like... "Free hat", for example :D
Free Hat McCullough? The guy who was wrongly convicted for murdering all those babies? (South Park reference for those who don't get it.)
Language
I am sorry. I blamed you for all the acts of evil and ignorance that you committed over the comic. I had assumed that you had some adult supervision and guidance that you disregarded. While the comics clearly show that to have been the case at some points in your life, it is clear that you have been raised, in part at least, by the stupidest man in the universe. He just ate an objectively bad bean.
Everyone who has been to Central America knows the potential explosive consequences of eating the bad beans. The results are very stinky and covers everything in the worst substance. Your father, a man who literally has entered the body of another male (oh my), knows the damage that can be inflicted from the inside. He even had Buu enter him through his mouth to make Vegetto explode (also scandalous). Your father was able to take all of Buu in his mouth, but it came... With consequences. One of those consequences was Buu forcing Vegetto to hit himself many times, which meant that Vegetto had to damage himself to damage Buu. Vegetto was lucky having this man inside him did not leave any lasting medical issues, but after it was over, he was spewing pink goo for awhile as Buu reassembled himself.
I recount your father's history not to tell stories out of school, but in order to tell you that he should have known better than to put strange objects inside himself. While he has been lucky in the past and he has a God complex, in your universe, Gods are not all that great and are still subject to mortal dangers. It just illustrates that perhaps he is so reckless and idiotic that I judged you too harshly given your parenting and role-models. Perhaps, Vegetto wasn't a good dad and that lead you down the path of arrogance, carelessness, and evil disregard for your's and others' safety.
In sum, I am so sorry, Son Bra. I thought you were the one failing to listen and use common sense, but it turns that it was me who was failing to listen and use common sense. I did not see Vegetto for who he really was. I hope you will forgive me for my harshness. I can never be in your universe, but I hope my trans-universal apology reaches you well.
Sincerely,
Your future Number One fan,
Bird Mountain