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Finally fulfilling the vow he made when he saw Vegeta transform! Also I read that sound effect for the hug as the heavy hit noise from the anime and games.
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U16 Videl probably has had NO contact with Vegeta, which makes her apology even more sincere. I like that her and Gohan use reason instead of rage.
Also, Vegeta is right. They should call Bruce Springsteen and tell him to get a new nickname if Piccolo wants to be the Boss. (I will admit a lot of Bruce songs remind me of Vegeta)
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Also, Vegeta is right. They should call Bruce Springsteen and tell him to get a new nickname if Piccolo wants to be the Boss. (I will admit a lot of Bruce songs remind me of Vegeta)
I'm not committing to anything until Goku is truly atomized or something. Guy's got the life of a Kai, after all. Piccolo wrecked him worse and still lost.
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Not gonna imagine Krillin telling Gohan he was the chosen one...
Subtle reminder that the Saiyans all still have their tails. Think that's gonna come into play LARGE later.
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Subtle reminder that the Saiyans all still have their tails. Think that's gonna come into play LARGE later.
Loving how differently Cell and Gohan came out in this chapter (the parallels between them were strong in the original series, so this is a fun twist). Gast's universe has long been one of the more interesting yet Optimistic ones in concept, and it's turning into one of the series' highlights.
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I wanna see Cell wiped out by a combined Gast and Gohan energy wave of some sort. Unlikely, but would be cool.
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Well they, blew up the Chicken Man in Philly last night
And they blew up his house too.
Down by the boardwalk looks like they're ready for a fight
Gonna see what them Red Ribbon boys do...
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And they blew up his house too.
Down by the boardwalk looks like they're ready for a fight
Gonna see what them Red Ribbon boys do...
I'm gonna guess XXI vs Goku gets ruined here. XXI absorbs Gast, but Gast influences XXI enough from the inside for Goku to win in the end.
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Well, that answers most of our questions, but is still a total bummer.
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I'm gonna GUESS we get a buncha new Androids after a long back and fourth series of battles between Gero and Goku. The Z Fighters prolly lost, but not having Super Saiyan on this Earth might have meant Gero was in less of a panic to release 17 and 18, and just kept improving models as Goku got stronger.
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May not have been the Androids OR the heart virus.
In the last Gast special, we saw Vegeta become a Super Saiyan. I say odds are he came to Earth, and took his revenge on Goku. If I was EXTREMELY optimistic I'd say Vegeta helped train Goku, Gohan and Krillin to help fight Gast and the Androids won anyway. Either way, I hope this fleshes out Gast's timeline a little more. 2 Replie(s)
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In the last Gast special, we saw Vegeta become a Super Saiyan. I say odds are he came to Earth, and took his revenge on Goku. If I was EXTREMELY optimistic I'd say Vegeta helped train Goku, Gohan and Krillin to help fight Gast and the Androids won anyway. Either way, I hope this fleshes out Gast's timeline a little more. 2 Replie(s)
The Big Gete Star was saying:
Kakarot is gonna be the first to get obliterated lol
So that's the character arc, yeah? THIS Vegeta is so enraged he attacks Kakarotto (who is immortal) while ignoring Raditz, and gets defeated. It makes sense thematically. Only U18 Vegeta is happy.
I'm like 90% sure they're doing this.
It's been set up Old Kai dislikes these Saiyans. It's also been a theme Raditz and Kakarott have an odd couple thing going where one of them is one of the strongest, but immortal and insane while the other gets by on diplomacy and cunning. Making them one person to secure the future of U13 just makes sense.
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It's been set up Old Kai dislikes these Saiyans. It's also been a theme Raditz and Kakarott have an odd couple thing going where one of them is one of the strongest, but immortal and insane while the other gets by on diplomacy and cunning. Making them one person to secure the future of U13 just makes sense.
Of COURSE Goku doesn't have the best air defense. He only learned to fly at 18. Also nice nod to the series when Freeza asks him if he'd rather fight in the air or the ground. Goku KNOWS he's still learning this and is too nice to point out he's pinballed Vegeta in the air just moments ago.
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Anyone else ever play Mike Tyson's Punch Out, where the guy almost gets up, Mario holds the count, and then the guy flops over and the ref keeps going? I imagine that here. Vegeta tries one more time, but he just can't.
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Vegeta with the smirk. He's taken Goku as far as he can go, it was right to the edge, and he's happy. He's finally happy.
When he fought his double from another universe, he said he'd acheived inner peace on Earth. Then he killed Kakarot and buried those demons. Now he's fought Goku and they went to the limit together, with his children cheering him on.
There's a lot of character development going on here if you're paying attention. 1 Replie(s)
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When he fought his double from another universe, he said he'd acheived inner peace on Earth. Then he killed Kakarot and buried those demons. Now he's fought Goku and they went to the limit together, with his children cheering him on.
There's a lot of character development going on here if you're paying attention. 1 Replie(s)
Vegeta hits Goku so hard he gives him amnesia again, Vegeta wins the tournament and wishes Goku's memory restored so he can have his rival back.
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"Learn respect?" No, he'll kamehameha himself out and learn nothing. Which is funny, and its a fun twist vs U13. Without Goku, its still a gag manga at first. The superpowers and aliens will come later.
Also Roshi's face in the last panel reminds me of Terrance and Phillip, which made me laugh even harder.
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Also Roshi's face in the last panel reminds me of Terrance and Phillip, which made me laugh even harder.
The fanfic "Break Through The Limit" did this and the character's first thought is "DO NOT THINK ABOUT CHI CHI".
Like the design. Its kind of like Mystic Future Gohan, in the sense its still making Gohan closer to Goku.
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Like the design. Its kind of like Mystic Future Gohan, in the sense its still making Gohan closer to Goku.
Goku is absolutely DONE with this rivalry. You can see it in his face. This settles Goku and Vegeta finally. It's been about 30 years right? Nice way to end it.
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Last page reminded me of "You Spin Me Round" THIS one is just "Pinball Wizard". Gotta love how you can track exactly how Vegeta's getting battered around at the end there.
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"All I know is that to me, you look like you're lots of fun, open up your lovin' arms, watch out here I come! (Aaaaand Chorus)" Never thought this song related to Goku vs Vegeta but here we are. Thanks, DBM!
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I can't help but go back and re-watch the opening to the Final Bout video game just to fill in the gaps. Both looking like they're still in base and about the same ages as this fight. Great use of the website to do more than just a static page, too.
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Wait, if Mysterion's in the audience, and the audience has been wiped out during the Majin fight...
Oh my GOD, THEY KILLED KENNY!!
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Oh my GOD, THEY KILLED KENNY!!
Buu continues to transcend the comic itself. Oddly fun.
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Much as it would ultimately result in another "villains win" timeline (probably u11) I like the idea of Trunks being an unstoppable monster trying to hunt down Dr. Gero. Another twist on his Terminator-inspired storyline.
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Bra looks like she's had some gains since the Majin rebellion. I like her with her hair down too. Getting combo of Cell Era Gohan and Trunks from her design which is not a bad thing.
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Excellent image but who is who?
Imma guess:
Uub = Ray (mystic knowledge and general curiousity)
Pan = Egon (more science-based curiousity)
Bra = Venkmann (ego and self-serving additude)
Phipsil = Winston (mostly just 'cause its a job). 1 Replie(s)
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Imma guess:
Uub = Ray (mystic knowledge and general curiousity)
Pan = Egon (more science-based curiousity)
Bra = Venkmann (ego and self-serving additude)
Phipsil = Winston (mostly just 'cause its a job). 1 Replie(s)
I love fighting games, I love Dragonball Z, I love this joke.
Uub, of COURSE it worked. ZenBuu is a troll but he's trying to TRAIN you.
I wanna see the command input for Kaioken Transcended, for the record.
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Uub, of COURSE it worked. ZenBuu is a troll but he's trying to TRAIN you.
I wanna see the command input for Kaioken Transcended, for the record.
This could actually be fun. Kakarotto's still immortal, so Buu can't just KILL him. Buu COULD use magic to remove that but why would he WANT to? They could conceivably both go on for quite awhile. Maybe Buu would draw it out until Kakarotto does SS2 Oozaru or SS3?
Also I don't THINK Saiyans have a concept of Democracy. Nappa being outvoted is funny for that reason alone.
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Also I don't THINK Saiyans have a concept of Democracy. Nappa being outvoted is funny for that reason alone.
Anyone else thinking of the Lonely Island if this works?
"A boombox can change the world
You gotta know your limits with a boombox
This was a cautionary tale,
A boombox is NOT A TOY!"
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"A boombox can change the world
You gotta know your limits with a boombox
This was a cautionary tale,
A boombox is NOT A TOY!"
You do that, Raditz. I'LL be responsible for the security of the Yuenglings. chugs
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According to page 1477, Raditz has been to Namek, so he'll probably recognize Kami, though nobody knew how significant the Dragonballs were.
Also, on page 414, Bardock of this Universe claimed Raditz died at the first opportunity, and I think this might be it. Particularly if Kami and Piccolo fuse with the Saiyans still on the planet (also possibly why the Saiyans stop with Earth, unless they end up too busy with Raichi to care about it). 2 Replie(s)
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Also, on page 414, Bardock of this Universe claimed Raditz died at the first opportunity, and I think this might be it. Particularly if Kami and Piccolo fuse with the Saiyans still on the planet (also possibly why the Saiyans stop with Earth, unless they end up too busy with Raichi to care about it). 2 Replie(s)
He's disqualified because nobody said "Match, Begin!". Cue Vegito absolutely livid.
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The U18 Special by Arcady already addressed that Goku and Vegeta were looking to go stronger since Buu. Goku has said in the novel that he and Vegeta have passed Gohan.
Think either of them went Mystic? I can see Vegeta going to the old Kaioshin if he was SERIOUSLY looking to surpass SS3.
Also gotta point out the obvious: Vegeta's matches are tailor made for highlighting his own personal growth. Vs another him (The KING), Trunks, evil Kakarotto and now the being who only won so many times because U17 Vegeta was dumb(er than in U18). Kinda funny for the guy who said "It's the randomness of the rounds" on page 106, he seems to be getting most of the benefits. 1 Replie(s)
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Think either of them went Mystic? I can see Vegeta going to the old Kaioshin if he was SERIOUSLY looking to surpass SS3.
Also gotta point out the obvious: Vegeta's matches are tailor made for highlighting his own personal growth. Vs another him (The KING), Trunks, evil Kakarotto and now the being who only won so many times because U17 Vegeta was dumb(er than in U18). Kinda funny for the guy who said "It's the randomness of the rounds" on page 106, he seems to be getting most of the benefits. 1 Replie(s)
To be honest I'm more impressed the Kaioken didn't just make Uub look like the last guy to kidnap Kenshiro's girlfriend (her name is Julia, I know).
I LOVE the DB callback, especially since Goku losing that fight to HIS mentor is what set the stage for the next generation to step up. Uub may not realize it but even if he loses he's truly following in his master's footsteps in that regard.
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I LOVE the DB callback, especially since Goku losing that fight to HIS mentor is what set the stage for the next generation to step up. Uub may not realize it but even if he loses he's truly following in his master's footsteps in that regard.
Huh. And I thought it was that the Vargas would be up to no good (there is that vaguely-evil looking one WAAAAAAY back on page 0). Kinda interesting where this is headed.
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Open palm. Uub still respects and likes Goku, he clearly doesn't want to hurt him. That one move has so.much character in it. I'm thinking when his Kaioken expires he'll just quit and hope Goku was proud or something.
Love this fight. 1 Replie(s)
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Love this fight. 1 Replie(s)
Cut off his hair, and he'd sort of look like Jiren.
I'm still guessing this ends up with base Uub and Goku after they exhaust their too-short powerups. Still a great fight so far, and the art's awesome.
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I'm still guessing this ends up with base Uub and Goku after they exhaust their too-short powerups. Still a great fight so far, and the art's awesome.
Ha! Goku believes it. And why WOULDN'T he? At one bookenends of his career is a guy who turns people into carrots and a guy who turns people into candy. Uub is trolling his master. Goku for his part is "Can he even DO THAT? I dunno let's not risk it". And that's great!
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Okay, that's pretty fun. Cooler and Freeza being like "It's been almost 30 years, fine, we just want extra planets of our own" is totally in-character, and them admitting Ginyu is more effective is a solid W for Ginyu. Kinda wanna see what Jeice, Burter and Reacoom think of this. "YEAH, THE CAPTAIN'S IN CHARGE! FREE PROMOTIONS AND ICE CREAM! IN YOUR FACE, COOLER SQUAD!!"
As for Majin Vegeta vs SS2 Goku: Vegeta himself said after sucker-punching Goku that their fight still wasn't settled. If he won't consider that a win, why should anyone else?
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As for Majin Vegeta vs SS2 Goku: Vegeta himself said after sucker-punching Goku that their fight still wasn't settled. If he won't consider that a win, why should anyone else?
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Then Broly went on to destroy the Universe, then got abducted by the Vargas (against his will, which says something bad is up with the Vargas), then went berserk again only to get beaten by Vegetto, then used as a prop in an excuse to show off Bra at SS2, and then kicked out of the narrative over a decade ago.
This would have been an amazing special of it gave us SOMETHING of Broly's character. I get that some of the appeal is he's the only way to do a "Man vs Nature" story in Dragon Ball but the point remains the only reason to bring him back is to maybe tell things from his perspective. Why he's so mad, why he's so ready to attack a Vegetto that is comically obviously not Kakarotto in the tournament, some reason to bring him back after he was written out in the first round.
Even that last panel. Broly has no idea what happened. Give him a thought bubble. "Kakarotto and Vegeta failed again! I'm still not dead, and if I have to wipe this universe clean to drive them out, I'll find them!"
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This would have been an amazing special of it gave us SOMETHING of Broly's character. I get that some of the appeal is he's the only way to do a "Man vs Nature" story in Dragon Ball but the point remains the only reason to bring him back is to maybe tell things from his perspective. Why he's so mad, why he's so ready to attack a Vegetto that is comically obviously not Kakarotto in the tournament, some reason to bring him back after he was written out in the first round.
Even that last panel. Broly has no idea what happened. Give him a thought bubble. "Kakarotto and Vegeta failed again! I'm still not dead, and if I have to wipe this universe clean to drive them out, I'll find them!"
The Big Gete Star was saying:
Sodapopinski was saying: This isn't any more ridiculous than canon DB/DBZ/DBGT/DBS.
Dunno why peeps are expecting a fanfic to be superior to the writing that it's based off of.
Because usually this fanfic IS superior to the writing that it's based off of? Idk if that's an inflammatory or hot take, but I'd say DBM is pretty consistently better than any of the official Dragon Ball series.
Dunno why peeps are expecting a fanfic to be superior to the writing that it's based off of.
Because usually this fanfic IS superior to the writing that it's based off of? Idk if that's an inflammatory or hot take, but I'd say DBM is pretty consistently better than any of the official Dragon Ball series.
In some cases, it is. What DBM has done in particular with Pan, Bra, Uub, Raditz and ZenBuu is to be commended. I am not denying that.
What I said in a previous comment still holds true: we NEED more of why Broli. He's out of the narrative and has been for years. This story has no new insight to his character other than "I killed them all! Muahhaha!" Which was a mini-comic made years ago.
I like DBM, the art in this chapter is great, but after things like U18 Pan not understanding why her counterpart's dad won't violate tournament rules to save his daughter's life in an earlier special, this kind of story I think gives people Bojack Special flashbacks. DBM has PROVEN they can give us more and logically we come to expect that.
Contrast this special to the ZenBuu fanfic. ZenBuu doesn't just kill the heroes, he explains his motives and writes a classic "Little sh---" song about how much he hates Gotenks. Which pays off later in the comic when he powers them up just to humiliate them again.
And so far, loathe as I am to admit it, DBS did SOMETHING with Broli as a character. DBM had a similar chance here which I think is wasted.
What COULD make this chapter more interesting is some sort of inner monologue for Broli. Yeah, he's a mute berserker (except for "Kakarott!!") but give SOMETHING of Broli's character like in the ZenBuu fanfic.
Maybe something about still holding a grudge against Kakarott because they befriend Vegeta and Buu while Broli just gets thrown into the sun? Maybe him acting to make Paragus proud in their vengeance (capped off once the Universe is destroyed by Broli, freezing and alone, asking if his father is proud of for being the ultimate revenge), shades of Gohan and Cell carrying out their fathers' wishes beyond their deaths.
Broli is out of the series anyway by this point, why not give him a mini-arc or setup for his Vegetto fight here? 1 Replie(s)
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Maybe something about still holding a grudge against Kakarott because they befriend Vegeta and Buu while Broli just gets thrown into the sun? Maybe him acting to make Paragus proud in their vengeance (capped off once the Universe is destroyed by Broli, freezing and alone, asking if his father is proud of for being the ultimate revenge), shades of Gohan and Cell carrying out their fathers' wishes beyond their deaths.
Broli is out of the series anyway by this point, why not give him a mini-arc or setup for his Vegetto fight here? 1 Replie(s)
Broli's without his biggest trigger here: There's no Kakarotto.
In EVERY instance we've seen him in this comic, he's triggered by Kakarotto. From the adaptation of the movies (okay it was Goku's kid who looks just like him once) to the tournament. Dumb luck he drew Vegetto (who started the fight by saying he WAS Kakarotto) as his first opponent. If Broly drew, say, ZenBuu, maybe he'd act more reasonably?
I see Broli here as the ultimate nihilist: The thing that made me mad once is gone, now EVERYTHING must go. Also shades of that thing dads say: "I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed".
It would make sense. God knows we haven't been able to see Broli's character at all (kinda sad actually). 2 Replie(s)
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In EVERY instance we've seen him in this comic, he's triggered by Kakarotto. From the adaptation of the movies (okay it was Goku's kid who looks just like him once) to the tournament. Dumb luck he drew Vegetto (who started the fight by saying he WAS Kakarotto) as his first opponent. If Broly drew, say, ZenBuu, maybe he'd act more reasonably?
I see Broli here as the ultimate nihilist: The thing that made me mad once is gone, now EVERYTHING must go. Also shades of that thing dads say: "I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed".
It would make sense. God knows we haven't been able to see Broli's character at all (kinda sad actually). 2 Replie(s)
Buu of all people calling Gotenks a "great hero" and asking for his help is... oddly touching, considering in canon they started off fighting each other as proxies for Babidi and Goku. You get a real feeling that the childishness of Buu and Gotenks SHOULD make them good friends.
Edited to say: Buu having a combination of Piccolo's and Gotenks' stances with the ones from that first iconic Goku vs Vegeta duel is a nice, understated touch.
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Edited to say: Buu having a combination of Piccolo's and Gotenks' stances with the ones from that first iconic Goku vs Vegeta duel is a nice, understated touch.
Maybe Buu with everyone still isn't enough because unlike ZenBuu it's still a childlike mind, one that isn't as compatible with Piccolo's when it comes to using the magic?
Maybe SSJ3 and fusions inside wear off, weakening Buu?
Maybe Broly fires him into the sun? Or gets so mad he punches the Goku out of Buu a la Gohan vs Cell?
Its nice to see them coming up with a unique plan. Really keeps the feel of the show even if we know they're gonna lose (some of the better video game what ifs do this too).
And Goku's face as he's about to be absorbed is a lotta fun.
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Maybe SSJ3 and fusions inside wear off, weakening Buu?
Maybe Broly fires him into the sun? Or gets so mad he punches the Goku out of Buu a la Gohan vs Cell?
Its nice to see them coming up with a unique plan. Really keeps the feel of the show even if we know they're gonna lose (some of the better video game what ifs do this too).
And Goku's face as he's about to be absorbed is a lotta fun.
ZFQFMIB was saying:
Galvanic was saying: Not a fan of this universe. Every other "the villains win" universe has an actual reason they lost. Some strategic blunder or plain failure on the part of the heroes, or smart play by the villains. Here the heroes fought tooth and nail for every victory and achieved everything the living heroes did but because Gohan or Vegeta angled their beams weirdly or Goku teleported too far to the right, they got slaughtered by their own sloppy third's.
Well I mean, Cell's triumph was just him being lucky really, in that universe he was just that bit stronger or Gohan not so resolute, it was hardly tactical genius.
Well I mean, Cell's triumph was just him being lucky really, in that universe he was just that bit stronger or Gohan not so resolute, it was hardly tactical genius.
In Cell's universe it is actually stated that the reason Cell won was because Vegeta decided not to shoot at Cell during the beam struggle. In Bojack's it's because Goku didn't teleport to save Gohan. And here it's just a stroke of luck that Broli missed the sun (I mean, somebody coulda checked up on that but this is Dragonball).
This is one of the things I hope the comic addresses about U18 Goku. "Man, how'd those other "me"s screw up? LETTING Krillin kill Vegeta? Haha that's crazy!" Or somesuch.
Maybe Goku isn't sensing Broli's ki, but King Kai just told him "Dude Broli just blew up New Namek" or something?
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Beat-kun was saying:
MonYoshu was saying: Okay, so in the Budokai Tenkaichi (or Sparking!) they did a what-if story where Buu won, he destroyed the universe, and was all alone.
Is that what we're getting here but with Broli? Where the Universe just gets sent to the afterlife, and Broli's all that's left?
Because if SO, it means something potentially HUGE for DBM: The Vargas can't access the afterlife. Otherwise they'd have more guys.
But U18 Goku CAN teleport back and fourth, and has done so at least TWICE in DBM canon (vs Bojack and Broli). Maybe THAT'S how U18 Goku beats XXI? Just a thought.
this is u20 Broly.
Is that what we're getting here but with Broli? Where the Universe just gets sent to the afterlife, and Broli's all that's left?
Because if SO, it means something potentially HUGE for DBM: The Vargas can't access the afterlife. Otherwise they'd have more guys.
But U18 Goku CAN teleport back and fourth, and has done so at least TWICE in DBM canon (vs Bojack and Broli). Maybe THAT'S how U18 Goku beats XXI? Just a thought.
this is u20 Broly.
I'm aware. Point still stands. Maybe Broly is the only thing LEFT in U20. Heck for all we know Goku and Vegeta were ready to teleport back for revenge just before the Vargas found him. I'm still thinking the story is eventually going to go to "All the Universes get some sort of happy end".
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Okay, so in the Budokai Tenkaichi (or Sparking!) they did a what-if story where Buu won, he destroyed the universe, and was all alone.
Is that what we're getting here but with Broli? Where the Universe just gets sent to the afterlife, and Broli's all that's left?
Because if SO, it means something potentially HUGE for DBM: The Vargas can't access the afterlife. Otherwise they'd have more guys.
But U18 Goku CAN teleport back and fourth, and has done so at least TWICE in DBM canon (vs Bojack and Broli). Maybe THAT'S how U18 Goku beats XXI? Just a thought. 1 Replie(s)
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Is that what we're getting here but with Broli? Where the Universe just gets sent to the afterlife, and Broli's all that's left?
Because if SO, it means something potentially HUGE for DBM: The Vargas can't access the afterlife. Otherwise they'd have more guys.
But U18 Goku CAN teleport back and fourth, and has done so at least TWICE in DBM canon (vs Bojack and Broli). Maybe THAT'S how U18 Goku beats XXI? Just a thought. 1 Replie(s)
Does Dabra keep him as a statue? "People of Universe 11! I have eliminated Babidi and his reign! Now I'm going home to my beloved Demon Realm and my lovely wife who is IMMUNE TO MY SPIT by the way. Peace!... Buu let's go eat candy." Or something?
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BoomParadox was saying:
SupaHera was saying: Not that this page isn’t exciting to see, but why is he called “Dabra”? Is his name not Dabura or is this simply a matter of a name having a different spelling when translated to another language?
His original name is Dabra. I grew up knowing him as Dabura, like most people here by the looks of it, but in my copies of the manga he is called Dabra. He's always been called Dabra in DBM as well, as far as I remember.
His original name is Dabra. I grew up knowing him as Dabura, like most people here by the looks of it, but in my copies of the manga he is called Dabra. He's always been called Dabra in DBM as well, as far as I remember.
In the US Viz Manga the other henchman was called Pocus just to hammer home the "Magic Words" name convention. 1 Replie(s)
This is actually something I've assumed we'd see at some point, the Multiverse Tournament somehow being the catlyst to setting things right in Universes that "went bad".
So now we have Dabra and Buu as maybe less awful then Babidi, the girls vs Bojack, possibly Raditz overthrowing Vegeta. That's not considering what happens to Vegetto or Freeza (Ginyu could be a threat or just wish Goku back). Precedent for VERY interesting story possibilities here. Were the Vargas up to this all along?
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So now we have Dabra and Buu as maybe less awful then Babidi, the girls vs Bojack, possibly Raditz overthrowing Vegeta. That's not considering what happens to Vegetto or Freeza (Ginyu could be a threat or just wish Goku back). Precedent for VERY interesting story possibilities here. Were the Vargas up to this all along?
I think I see what (U16) Bra is getting at.
It's not the raw strength she craves anymore. She'd been stood up to by (U18) Bra. Righteously. And found wanting.
U18 Bra risked her own life to talk down a super-maniac because, power levels or no, she was RIGHT. And it's only because our Universe 18 HAS a Goku and redeemed Vegeta that Bra took the chance. YES, U16 Bra should've listened to Gohan. YES, it's a flaw she didn't get it until another version of herself called her out. But it's still a great moment for U18, our canon universe, and I for one am liking where this is going.
Props to the authors, because the U16 Bra and then the U18 Pan specials highlight this. 1 Replie(s)
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It's not the raw strength she craves anymore. She'd been stood up to by (U18) Bra. Righteously. And found wanting.
U18 Bra risked her own life to talk down a super-maniac because, power levels or no, she was RIGHT. And it's only because our Universe 18 HAS a Goku and redeemed Vegeta that Bra took the chance. YES, U16 Bra should've listened to Gohan. YES, it's a flaw she didn't get it until another version of herself called her out. But it's still a great moment for U18, our canon universe, and I for one am liking where this is going.
Props to the authors, because the U16 Bra and then the U18 Pan specials highlight this. 1 Replie(s)
@Turbocharger
I didn't know Vegeta not knowing SS2 was a fan debate. I read the Viz translation, where after Goku beats Yakon Vegeta muses "Kakarott mastered SS2 as well" or somesuch.
I could be mistaken. It STILL begs the question of how Bra is different from U18 Vegeta or how U11 Vegeta beat Babidi.
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I didn't know Vegeta not knowing SS2 was a fan debate. I read the Viz translation, where after Goku beats Yakon Vegeta muses "Kakarott mastered SS2 as well" or somesuch.
I could be mistaken. It STILL begs the question of how Bra is different from U18 Vegeta or how U11 Vegeta beat Babidi.
Vegeta in canon (Universe 18) murders an entire stadium full of people, breaks Babidi's control, and still has the M on his forehead when he sacrifices himself. From then on he's SS2 with no explanation, so it IS possible.
Actually makes one wonder how things went down in U11. Apparently Vegeta there did the same thing with no SS2 (or maybe just SS2 but no 3 or fusion doomed them vs Buu). 2 Replie(s)
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Actually makes one wonder how things went down in U11. Apparently Vegeta there did the same thing with no SS2 (or maybe just SS2 but no 3 or fusion doomed them vs Buu). 2 Replie(s)
Buu being fun. I mean, a little Saiyan girl massacred a lot of dudes, but here's Buu of all things being light-hearted (the Sharpie on Babidi's face is just WIN) and just having a laugh. Good to be back to the main tournament, it's been 3 years since Babidi's Trap.
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Dr Raichi was saying:
And I would love a shot of immortal Kakarotto's severed, talking head.
U13 Kakarotto plus Talking Heads made me think of Sean Schemmel's angry voice singing "Same As It Ever Was" or "People Like Us". I giggled like a schoolchild for about 10 minutes, thank you.
Yeah it makes sense we'd get something like this (I was expecting U13 Kakarotto, but the point is the same). Makes Vegeta's rant on page578 and page579 even more heartwarming, somehow.
On the one hand I'm mad that I got that, on the other hand I'm like "Wow really? I gotta look into unlocking him".
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SupremeFusionGogito was saying:
Why isn't Gohan saving her? Because Boujack has:
"Ki +3 and ATK & DEF +180%; launches an additional attack that has a medium chance of becoming a Super Attack; plus an additional ATK +30% and DEF +15% when attacking with 3 or more Ki Spheres obtained, plus an additional ATK +30% and DEF +15% when attacking with 6 or more Ki Spheres obtained"
"Ki +3 and ATK & DEF +180%; launches an additional attack that has a medium chance of becoming a Super Attack; plus an additional ATK +30% and DEF +15% when attacking with 3 or more Ki Spheres obtained, plus an additional ATK +30% and DEF +15% when attacking with 6 or more Ki Spheres obtained"
On the one hand I'm mad that I got that, on the other hand I'm like "Wow really? I gotta look into unlocking him".
Nothing from Vegeta. No usual "The PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS FEARS NOTHING" or somesuch. Just "Yeah. Okay."
This is a LONG way from Vegeta talking down Gohan since well, forever (even during Cell he calls him "The brat" or"shrimp", depending on the translation). Its a nice, understated way of showing his respect. No "You're #1!" Speech this time. 1 Replie(s)
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This is a LONG way from Vegeta talking down Gohan since well, forever (even during Cell he calls him "The brat" or"shrimp", depending on the translation). Its a nice, understated way of showing his respect. No "You're #1!" Speech this time. 1 Replie(s)
Gohan goes from a big, lovable guy (getting slight Masamune Shirow vibes in that 3rd panel) and then the GLARE.
I imagine his voice getting a little deeper, his form getting noticably less casual. "This looks like a job...for SAIYAMAN."
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I imagine his voice getting a little deeper, his form getting noticably less casual. "This looks like a job...for SAIYAMAN."
Arcady Picardi is DEFINITELY drawing on a Frank Quietly "All Star Superman" influence here. It's a great fit for Gohan, mild-mannered schlub until things get serious and then he looks and acts the ultimate hero.
A lot of artists (Toriyama included) just change the facial expressions and hairstyle, but to see where the changes occur in Gohan's body language and demeanor is a treat.
The page as a whole NAILS Gohan's entire character. 1 Replie(s)
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A lot of artists (Toriyama included) just change the facial expressions and hairstyle, but to see where the changes occur in Gohan's body language and demeanor is a treat.
The page as a whole NAILS Gohan's entire character. 1 Replie(s)
"YOU'RE CRAZY!"
YES, Gohan. You've known this man since you were five years old. You've seen him try to destroy the Earth, get killed by Freeza, let Cell power up and obliterate a stadium. Hell there's even a dark future where YOU raised his kid. You ought to know this.
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YES, Gohan. You've known this man since you were five years old. You've seen him try to destroy the Earth, get killed by Freeza, let Cell power up and obliterate a stadium. Hell there's even a dark future where YOU raised his kid. You ought to know this.
I've liked this art style since the Gast special, the final page especially, and I love this too. The body language is spot on (shades of how Goku and Vegeta interact to close the Buu arc).
That third panel is hilarious. Goku is finally tired after 20 years of Vegeta whining about being one step behind. "Just get there, man! Geez!" Which leads into Goku in the last panel with that "Here he goes again..." expression. Great stuff.
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That third panel is hilarious. Goku is finally tired after 20 years of Vegeta whining about being one step behind. "Just get there, man! Geez!" Which leads into Goku in the last panel with that "Here he goes again..." expression. Great stuff.
That green in Vegeta's eye says so much.
Also the faces are so well done. Goku looks like he spends a lot of time smiling or eating, Vegeta has an almost permanent scowl. The character detail in that is astounding.
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Also the faces are so well done. Goku looks like he spends a lot of time smiling or eating, Vegeta has an almost permanent scowl. The character detail in that is astounding.
Vegeta's gonna rant about SS3 next aint he?
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That fifth panel, just thinking Goku saying it belonged to someone very special and maybe she can give it to a grandchild of her own...
Right in the feels, man. One panel of why Universe 18 is the best.
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Right in the feels, man. One panel of why Universe 18 is the best.
Was gonna say this before (when the U16 vs U18 talk was going on last chapter), but since this chapter has made U18 the focus I'll put it here.
The main reason, from a writing standpoint, U18 has been left a little adrift in this manga is that we KNOW most of the characters. Vegeta's character arc is wrapped up after Buu (a fact he even comments on during his fights), and Goku and Piccolo have arguably been the same character-wise since Cell.
Pan, Uub, Gohan and Bra are the U18 characters that can grow a little. Contrast with U16 or U13 or even U9 that we know little about (whatever happened to that Other Trunks?), necessitating the writers to tell us about THEM.
I'm happy to see Pan's perspective demonstrated a little more. U16 Pan never met a Goku. U18 has seen a grandfather who doted on her, who was kind and gentle, and now seeing him fight, she is scared. Then in the tournament she meets the evil Kakarott and, well, you know the rest (this actually should be its own special: what exactly IS going through poor Pan's head when she transforms?).
Hopefully this'll come up later in the tournament.
TLDR: Pan's perspective is something DBM needs more of (and seriously, what DID happen to U9 Trunks?).
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The main reason, from a writing standpoint, U18 has been left a little adrift in this manga is that we KNOW most of the characters. Vegeta's character arc is wrapped up after Buu (a fact he even comments on during his fights), and Goku and Piccolo have arguably been the same character-wise since Cell.
Pan, Uub, Gohan and Bra are the U18 characters that can grow a little. Contrast with U16 or U13 or even U9 that we know little about (whatever happened to that Other Trunks?), necessitating the writers to tell us about THEM.
I'm happy to see Pan's perspective demonstrated a little more. U16 Pan never met a Goku. U18 has seen a grandfather who doted on her, who was kind and gentle, and now seeing him fight, she is scared. Then in the tournament she meets the evil Kakarott and, well, you know the rest (this actually should be its own special: what exactly IS going through poor Pan's head when she transforms?).
Hopefully this'll come up later in the tournament.
TLDR: Pan's perspective is something DBM needs more of (and seriously, what DID happen to U9 Trunks?).
Love the subtleties in the art.
Uub is taken aback, Gohan is calmly analytical, Pan is terribly innocent (stuffed rabbit is a great touch). Heck, the fact that Goku and Vegeta are fighting exactly the same way as they did in the Buu series highlights their Saiyan stubbornness. I'm digging this.
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Uub is taken aback, Gohan is calmly analytical, Pan is terribly innocent (stuffed rabbit is a great touch). Heck, the fact that Goku and Vegeta are fighting exactly the same way as they did in the Buu series highlights their Saiyan stubbornness. I'm digging this.
Is that Super Saiyan Goku in the gi from the end of Z? Haven't seen THAT since Final Bout! Also I'm old.
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I read that last panel with the voice of the guy from Futurama's "Scary Door".
Bra's right but for the wrong reasons. Not "It's personally unfair to ME" moreso "It's kinda a raw deal to be given this much power as a child". Not how she meant it, but an interesting phrase in my opinion.
Also this makes page364 and page881 REALLY good insights into Vegeto and Bra. Especially Bra saying "Wishes. We make them all the time back home." It's a cliche that the DragonBalls make it so stuff like this has no consequence, but its fun to see that dealt with.
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Bra's right but for the wrong reasons. Not "It's personally unfair to ME" moreso "It's kinda a raw deal to be given this much power as a child". Not how she meant it, but an interesting phrase in my opinion.
Also this makes page364 and page881 REALLY good insights into Vegeto and Bra. Especially Bra saying "Wishes. We make them all the time back home." It's a cliche that the DragonBalls make it so stuff like this has no consequence, but its fun to see that dealt with.
XisBack was saying:
Overreaction? O V E R R E A C T I O N ???
The kid just killed his half-brother (and someone Vegetto could feel like his son as well) and five billions of people, pulling out a complete Freeza, and laughing about it.
And a punch and a threat are the overreaction?
If she wasn't her daughter he would have incinerated her on the spot. And probably, for the safety of the universe, he should have done that anyway.
Anyway, with all the retcons happening, and with Bra still being annoyingly the protagonist, at least Salagir didn't ruin Vegetto, I give him that at least.
Overreaction? O V E R R E A C T I O N ???
The kid just killed his half-brother (and someone Vegetto could feel like his son as well) and five billions of people, pulling out a complete Freeza, and laughing about it.
And a punch and a threat are the overreaction?
If she wasn't her daughter he would have incinerated her on the spot. And probably, for the safety of the universe, he should have done that anyway.
Anyway, with all the retcons happening, and with Bra still being annoyingly the protagonist, at least Salagir didn't ruin Vegetto, I give him that at least.
Yes its an overreaction.
Vegetto could have said "It's okay, we'll wish them back with the Dragonballs and work on your rage." Or "Do this again and I'll send you to King Kai forever." Instead he just goes with "Before you become more powerful than me I'll kill you." That's an overraction in my book.
Bra needs guidance more than anything else. Their relationship seems better later (before Bra kills Zangya) but the emotional scarring is still there, at least for Bra (Vegetto probably thought it wouldn't amount to much, which is in character for him).
Keep in mind Vegetto wanted to send newborn Bra and Pan into the time chamber on page297. To train them and make them stronger. As I said before, some of this is Vegetto's own fault. 1 Replie(s)
They might do the thing with SS2 Bra the manga used to do with kid Gohan. Lose your mind, beat the bad guy, forget it in two seconds. In that sense, Bra has NO IDEA what she's just done. Which makes Vegetto's overraction more damaging to her.
I've compared Bra to Dark Phoenix as a joke before but I actually mean it. When Chris Claremont was asked why so much power corrupted Jean Grey and not someone like Dr. Strange or Thor Claremont said it was because Jean just GOT IT whereas Strange or Thor had to work and train for it.
Same thing we're seeing here. Bra is following in the footsteps of Freeza, Brolly or Cell as a creature BORN uber powerful with no sense of having EARNED IT. Jean Grey as Dark Phoenix with Gohan's origin story and Brolly's murderous rage.
Actually quite interesting. Could go on and on about Bra (as deconstruction of what most fans wanted for Gotenks AND this all being Vegetto's fault) but the core of her character, to me anyway, is Dragonball Dark Phoenix. 3 Replie(s)
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I've compared Bra to Dark Phoenix as a joke before but I actually mean it. When Chris Claremont was asked why so much power corrupted Jean Grey and not someone like Dr. Strange or Thor Claremont said it was because Jean just GOT IT whereas Strange or Thor had to work and train for it.
Same thing we're seeing here. Bra is following in the footsteps of Freeza, Brolly or Cell as a creature BORN uber powerful with no sense of having EARNED IT. Jean Grey as Dark Phoenix with Gohan's origin story and Brolly's murderous rage.
Actually quite interesting. Could go on and on about Bra (as deconstruction of what most fans wanted for Gotenks AND this all being Vegetto's fault) but the core of her character, to me anyway, is Dragonball Dark Phoenix. 3 Replie(s)
Son Bra is very convincing as Jean Grey in her school's production of Uncanny X-Men #135.
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MysticVegito was saying:
Hahahaha, this is exactly like MonYoshu mentioned in previous page, this is literally Vegeta's "Farewell to the worthless!" move. :D
Btw, Goten's dead. Safe to say that Vegito's death threat to Bulla is now more than justified.
Btw, Goten's dead. Safe to say that Vegito's death threat to Bulla is now more than justified.
Thanks for spotting that, mate! Kindly remember this and not all the (Vegeta meme) times I've been wrong.
Interesting about possible Goten death. I thought the same thing (also justifies Bra's rage at Trunks and Goten still being goofballs).
Liking this chapter a lot, but looking very much forward to the new special. Picardi's artwork is that sort of "Dragonball in a different art style" we frankly don't get enough of. The fact that it's more like my beloved American comics makes me biased, I know.
MysticVegito was saying:
This is worse than Teen Gohan SSJ2. He at least had some form of self control, this right here is straight up Broly's murderous madness :D
This is worse than Teen Gohan SSJ2. He at least had some form of self control, this right here is straight up Broly's murderous madness :D
Keep in mind SSJ2 Gohan's first action was to obliterate multiple Cell Jrs in pretty gruesome fashion, then punch Cell so hard he coughed up a cute girl. I don't think Bra is quite there yet. 2 Replie(s)
Shades of U13 Vegeta's "Farewell to the worthless!" from page 899 (wow, that long ago?).
Also, BRUTAL work by Bra. That arm break in panel 1 is almost tangible.
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Also, BRUTAL work by Bra. That arm break in panel 1 is almost tangible.
Gohan did the same thing. We're looking at that Bojack special if Cell didn't happen.
I'm kinda liking Bra more and more as this goes on. Cute kid, in over her head, more power than she knows how to deal with... actually a pretty good character.
EDIT: First victim of SS2 Bra is her head band. RIP, scrunchie!
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I'm kinda liking Bra more and more as this goes on. Cute kid, in over her head, more power than she knows how to deal with... actually a pretty good character.
EDIT: First victim of SS2 Bra is her head band. RIP, scrunchie!
"She's a brick... HOUSE! She's the one, the only one, built like an Amazon..."
Seriously though if, like Bojack, her skin gets green when she transforms, she'd kinda look like the She-Hulk right now. Which is pretty cool. 1 Replie(s)
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Seriously though if, like Bojack, her skin gets green when she transforms, she'd kinda look like the She-Hulk right now. Which is pretty cool. 1 Replie(s)
Goten's thing in GT was he was into the ladies, and I think DBM had him trying to escape by going to his girlfriend. It's always been, to me, a way to differentiate him from the fighters, businessmen, and scholars the rest of the Saiyans are.
I also like that the second panel his eyes might be going exactly where you expect.
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I also like that the second panel his eyes might be going exactly where you expect.
MysticVegito was saying:
But to make a Yamcha out of Goten is something that irritates me over and over.
That's been happening to Goten since 1996. I have a card of him from the GT era and he's in the Wolf Fang Fist pose. Make his hair not blonde and yeah, he's Yamcha.
Odd if the authors say they thought of it independently. Not angry, just amused.
Y'know, this actually shows a lot about Bra and Gohan's characters.
Gohan, again, because he obviously didn't like to talk about Bojack.
Bra because she's dealt with these people before. Bojack killing Pan (her best friend) can be looked at in a different light now that she's faced these people. If it were, say, Bojack killing Krillin or Videl we'd be okay with Goku or Gohan losing their minds. Much as some hate to hear it, Bra's character is making more and more sense as these things go on.
Page 364 is much different since this has been revealed. Bra has fought these guys before, and also Vegetto threatened her life. Look at that scene again more closely given this information.
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Gohan, again, because he obviously didn't like to talk about Bojack.
Bra because she's dealt with these people before. Bojack killing Pan (her best friend) can be looked at in a different light now that she's faced these people. If it were, say, Bojack killing Krillin or Videl we'd be okay with Goku or Gohan losing their minds. Much as some hate to hear it, Bra's character is making more and more sense as these things go on.
Page 364 is much different since this has been revealed. Bra has fought these guys before, and also Vegetto threatened her life. Look at that scene again more closely given this information.
Ouroboros was saying:
I have read it yes and what does it show? A single oddity that everyone is afraid to fight, so they suck up.
And despite that ambassadors are hurt by them.
Just because the old kai calls groups banded together in fear as evil, doesn't make it true.
There is no proof the medieval world was evil and the orginal bojack project wasn't evil *and if Bojack killed the frostking before his banning he could be labbeled a hero as time went on.
we don't see the full picture, media can lie.
I have read it yes and what does it show? A single oddity that everyone is afraid to fight, so they suck up.
And despite that ambassadors are hurt by them.
Just because the old kai calls groups banded together in fear as evil, doesn't make it true.
There is no proof the medieval world was evil and the orginal bojack project wasn't evil *and if Bojack killed the frostking before his banning he could be labbeled a hero as time went on.
we don't see the full picture, media can lie.
That's a good point, actually. THESE guys seem to see Bojack as a great warrior dealt a bad hand, WE (and most of the heroes) know he's a violent, child-killing lunatic. Maybe they've been lied to about their predecessor? That could be why Goten and Bra are fighting them whereas a Kaioshin or Gohan would be like "No, he was insane and NEEDED to be stopped." 1 Replie(s)
Goten's snark is great and all, but this also reveals something about Gohan. He obviously didn't want to talk about the time he went to a fun tournament with his (dad's) friends just to almost get crushed to death by an alien space pirate he had to punch through. That's why his own little brother has never heard the story.
In fact, reading page 126 is a little harder now.
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In fact, reading page 126 is a little harder now.
DrewSaga was saying:
What's stopping them from being created to take down Goku though after defeating Majin Buu? Sure, Goku had some help and he is no where near as powerful as Vegetto but wouldn't they be concerned about Goku's presence for whatever reason as well? What about Vegeta? Did they both stay on Earth the whole time?
What's stopping them from being created to take down Goku though after defeating Majin Buu? Sure, Goku had some help and he is no where near as powerful as Vegetto but wouldn't they be concerned about Goku's presence for whatever reason as well? What about Vegeta? Did they both stay on Earth the whole time?
Possibly related to the Potara? That old plot point about the Potara being blasphemous or something since its only meant for Kaioshins. That could explain why these guys never bothered with any of the other universes (could also explain a LOT about these U16 specials and why that never happens anywhere else).
Of course you've never heard of him, Goten, your mom was pregnant with you at the time. You were a zygote, Goten. Zygoten.
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I've always loved the DBM design for Goten. Just the right mix of the End of Z/ GT to look familiar, but still his own. He actually looks like a distinct character, instead of too much like Goku or Gohan.
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I don't know if this line was in there to clear up confusion for readers, but Goten calling Vegetto by name is sorta sad when you think about it. U16 Goten only knew his real dad for like, a day.
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Beat-kun was saying:
um, pikkon doesn't exist in this manga I think. cause that was anime filler.
um, pikkon doesn't exist in this manga I think. cause that was anime filler.
Maybe not, but I never expected to see Lord Slug either. Pikkon's the best-known Other world competitor.
'Unbound' of course brings to mind the Bojack movie. No chance on the Kaios sealing Bra away.
Waitaminute... did King Kai ever meet Vegetto? That'd be a sort of fun scene. "Hey East, tell your Pikkon he's a loser. Look what I MADE!" 1 Replie(s)
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Waitaminute... did King Kai ever meet Vegetto? That'd be a sort of fun scene. "Hey East, tell your Pikkon he's a loser. Look what I MADE!" 1 Replie(s)
Cue the soundtrack. Heart to heart you'll win.
If you survive... the warrior.
Shootin at the walls of heartache bang bang.
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If you survive... the warrior.
Shootin at the walls of heartache bang bang.
Uub? Super Saiyan 4 Goku? The FighterZ development staff for not including him (SSGSS Vegetto isnt THIS one)? The possibilities are fun to think about.
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Yeah Bra. You're a failed hero. It's okay, it worked for Wolverine for years and you've got dragon balls. All the damage can be erased and its a learning experience.
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Bra dropping some truth bombs. This is U18's overall strength and I'm happy to see it developed. I didnt expect it from BRA of all characters. It's a nice touch. Feels more like canon Dragonball (like Tien coming out of nowhere to challenge Cell) than most fanworks are used to.
Panel composition is PERFECT.
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Panel composition is PERFECT.
Tressler was saying:
Feels like iv seen this before.
Oh right.
Oh right.
Makes Multiverse fun! I almost pointed this out myself. Good on ya!
"I'm on top, fatass!"
Well, I'll be imagining this being dialogue in fanfics in my nightmares forever.
On topic: U18 Bra has got this.
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Well, I'll be imagining this being dialogue in fanfics in my nightmares forever.
On topic: U18 Bra has got this.
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