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2010-03-10 02:11:03
DBKHD
@ Geno
What's the point in posting the barely changed pages if the major scenes remains unaltered? Salagir said there are going to have the pages updated. All I see is the very, very small changes that all of us are barely able to notice.
What's the point in posting the barely changed pages if the major scenes remains unaltered? Salagir said there are going to have the pages updated. All I see is the very, very small changes that all of us are barely able to notice.
2010-03-10 02:47:02
Stick
It would be nice if it was a new page every 12 hours
2010-03-10 03:26:29
A.D.
The fact is alot of non-cannon characters such as Broli can't be messured in terms of power. Because anime's/manga's make certain fights last longer for dramatic effect. Example In Movie 10 videl of all people is hit by broli and she manages to live and attack after.
Another Example: 8th movie broli vs vegeta&Trunks (USSJ) Goku&gohan Full power SSJ and Piccolo.
to cut things short he kicks the crap out of them, it takes goku to get enerdy from the rest of the fighter to beat him.
Now in the 10th movie it's videl (was she really worth putting up? lol) Gohan, trunks and goten. Now we can safely say that goten and trunks are not on the same level of any of the people that battled broli in movie 8 and we already know from the Buu saga that gohan was become weaker during the 7year gap so if this is the case how on earth did they beat broli...unless where lead to belive that Spirt goku had the bulk of the power in the blast >_>
(would like 2 say more but jus tired maybe later lol)
Another Example: 8th movie broli vs vegeta&Trunks (USSJ) Goku&gohan Full power SSJ and Piccolo.
to cut things short he kicks the crap out of them, it takes goku to get enerdy from the rest of the fighter to beat him.
Now in the 10th movie it's videl (was she really worth putting up? lol) Gohan, trunks and goten. Now we can safely say that goten and trunks are not on the same level of any of the people that battled broli in movie 8 and we already know from the Buu saga that gohan was become weaker during the 7year gap so if this is the case how on earth did they beat broli...unless where lead to belive that Spirt goku had the bulk of the power in the blast >_>
(would like 2 say more but jus tired maybe later lol)
2010-03-10 03:49:47
nicklee
WHY ISN"T GOKU WEARING HIS "END OF Z" GI FROM THE LAST CHAPTER/EPISODE?YOU KNOW THE BLUE ONE.
2010-03-10 08:08:20
A-man
@I_Am_ThE_LiGhT
First and for most I will say you are right about some things that we do not know the power levels of the nameks that fused together. But we do know that no namek even 2 of them combined was not enough to defeat freeza. I was just making a trivial point with the Mr. Satan, but since you bring up my math skillz, yours are 100 times worse. This will be a math lesson and a fusion lesson for you. I don't mean to be mean. And on some points I could be wrong because they could have all fused all at once. But this never happens, every fusion is a fusion between 1 individual and the next. So doing this under the assumption that the only way people can fuse is 1 individual with the next individual and a group of people can’t fuse together at once. Because it has never happened before.
I was exaggerating when I said 10000, there were only 100 plus people on namek...and Piccolo and Nail would NOT be that strong otherwise they would have defeated Freeza by themselves. So we will go with 100 people fusing together with Goku.
Your math is terrible. You have to be consistent. You can't hold a fusion with Goku and 1000 Mr satans, and add all the Mr. Satans together then just multiple them by Goku's 10 million. What you did was basically add all of the Mr Satan's power together(1000x110..this is just 110, 1000 times) and then multiply it by Goku's power level. You have to be consistent with each fusion. You can't choose 1 way to do something now and another way to do the same thing later on. So there are 2 ways to do this. One of them I think is blatantly wrong. First we will start with the wrong way to do it.
When 2 people fuse together their powers are multiplied by each other. In which case:
P1xP2 = fusion power level...with maybe a multiplier for synergies and positive externalities maybe even negative synergies and externalities. So we would get: The multiple is greater than 1 for positive synergies and less than 1 but greater than 0 for negative:
P1xP2xM
If you look at it the way in which 2 people fuse and then 1 person then fuses with that fusion...which is always the case in DBZ. There was never a case where suddenly everyone fused together at once, at the same time. It was always between one individual and another. So the case where they all fuse together at the same time is worthless to talk about unless you bring up the case where we do not know how the Nameks actually fused together.
It would end up being more complicated for 101 people than for 2 people fusing together. You would have to make a loop or a series.
In better terms a CHAIN of some sort. This is not exactly a chain, but it Is close. Where the next fusion is ONLY directly dependent on the Fusion BEFORE it.
Where: X_n= (X_n -1 x new individual) x multiplier_n for all n. If you were fusing the same person over and over again(like we are doing with Mr. Satan) the synergies would decrease with each fusion resulting in the multiplier getting continuously smaller. The power would increase at a decreasing rate.
So we would get:
F1 = P1 x P2 x M1
F2 = P3 x F1 x M2...
all the way til you get to F100 = F99 X P101 X M100
another way to say this is the (product of All M_n for n 1 to 100) x (the product of all P_n for all n 1 to 101).
Where the M would never be exactly the same because of the different positve and negative synergies. Depending if the individual was a good fit. And if it was the same person it would just be P1^101.
This however is the WRONG way to fuse. P1xP2. Is WRONG in my opinion except for the patara earings(maybe).
The fusion dance and the way most people fuse It is NOT 1 persons power level multiplied by the others.
In my opinion:
When you fuse, the power levels aren't multiplied. They are added together and then there is a multiplier involved...so
When 2 people fuse it would be (P1+P2) X Multiplier.
So basically it wouldn't be as simple as saying 100011010million, like you did before.
This is the RIGHT way to do it unless you count everyone fusing together at once. Which has never happened and I doubt happened to the namek. It was definitely individual fusing with individual.
Similarly as above:
X_n = (X_n-1 + new individual) x M_n for all n. If you were fusing the same person over and over again(like we are doing with Mr. Satan) the synergies would decrease resulting in the multiplier getting continuously smaller.
So For the fusion of 100 Mr. Satans and a base level goku of 10 million this is what it would be:
where:
F = Fusion
and the multiplier .
F1 = (P1 + P2) x M1
F2 = (P3 + F1) x M2...
all the way til you get to F100 = (F99 + P101) X M100
Here you can not say this the other way because of the properties of the arithmetic.
The Multipliers would decrease as the synergies for each fusion would decrease because you are just adding the same person. The power would increase at a decreasing rate. This is a very simple concept to understand.
So this is my opinion of how they would fuse together. I don’t think they powers are multiplied together. And I do not thing that all 100 nameks touched at once and decided LET’s FUSE NOW. I think it was a gradual process because there is no way that Freeza would allow that to happen. It being done gradually is much more realistic.
this argument is exactly the same for the namek.
I know this was a long post...sorry. I could have made a mistake in there.
First and for most I will say you are right about some things that we do not know the power levels of the nameks that fused together. But we do know that no namek even 2 of them combined was not enough to defeat freeza. I was just making a trivial point with the Mr. Satan, but since you bring up my math skillz, yours are 100 times worse. This will be a math lesson and a fusion lesson for you. I don't mean to be mean. And on some points I could be wrong because they could have all fused all at once. But this never happens, every fusion is a fusion between 1 individual and the next. So doing this under the assumption that the only way people can fuse is 1 individual with the next individual and a group of people can’t fuse together at once. Because it has never happened before.
I was exaggerating when I said 10000, there were only 100 plus people on namek...and Piccolo and Nail would NOT be that strong otherwise they would have defeated Freeza by themselves. So we will go with 100 people fusing together with Goku.
Your math is terrible. You have to be consistent. You can't hold a fusion with Goku and 1000 Mr satans, and add all the Mr. Satans together then just multiple them by Goku's 10 million. What you did was basically add all of the Mr Satan's power together(1000x110..this is just 110, 1000 times) and then multiply it by Goku's power level. You have to be consistent with each fusion. You can't choose 1 way to do something now and another way to do the same thing later on. So there are 2 ways to do this. One of them I think is blatantly wrong. First we will start with the wrong way to do it.
When 2 people fuse together their powers are multiplied by each other. In which case:
P1xP2 = fusion power level...with maybe a multiplier for synergies and positive externalities maybe even negative synergies and externalities. So we would get: The multiple is greater than 1 for positive synergies and less than 1 but greater than 0 for negative:
P1xP2xM
If you look at it the way in which 2 people fuse and then 1 person then fuses with that fusion...which is always the case in DBZ. There was never a case where suddenly everyone fused together at once, at the same time. It was always between one individual and another. So the case where they all fuse together at the same time is worthless to talk about unless you bring up the case where we do not know how the Nameks actually fused together.
It would end up being more complicated for 101 people than for 2 people fusing together. You would have to make a loop or a series.
In better terms a CHAIN of some sort. This is not exactly a chain, but it Is close. Where the next fusion is ONLY directly dependent on the Fusion BEFORE it.
Where: X_n= (X_n -1 x new individual) x multiplier_n for all n. If you were fusing the same person over and over again(like we are doing with Mr. Satan) the synergies would decrease with each fusion resulting in the multiplier getting continuously smaller. The power would increase at a decreasing rate.
So we would get:
F1 = P1 x P2 x M1
F2 = P3 x F1 x M2...
all the way til you get to F100 = F99 X P101 X M100
another way to say this is the (product of All M_n for n 1 to 100) x (the product of all P_n for all n 1 to 101).
Where the M would never be exactly the same because of the different positve and negative synergies. Depending if the individual was a good fit. And if it was the same person it would just be P1^101.
This however is the WRONG way to fuse. P1xP2. Is WRONG in my opinion except for the patara earings(maybe).
The fusion dance and the way most people fuse It is NOT 1 persons power level multiplied by the others.
In my opinion:
When you fuse, the power levels aren't multiplied. They are added together and then there is a multiplier involved...so
When 2 people fuse it would be (P1+P2) X Multiplier.
So basically it wouldn't be as simple as saying 100011010million, like you did before.
This is the RIGHT way to do it unless you count everyone fusing together at once. Which has never happened and I doubt happened to the namek. It was definitely individual fusing with individual.
Similarly as above:
X_n = (X_n-1 + new individual) x M_n for all n. If you were fusing the same person over and over again(like we are doing with Mr. Satan) the synergies would decrease resulting in the multiplier getting continuously smaller.
So For the fusion of 100 Mr. Satans and a base level goku of 10 million this is what it would be:
where:
F = Fusion
and the multiplier .
F1 = (P1 + P2) x M1
F2 = (P3 + F1) x M2...
all the way til you get to F100 = (F99 + P101) X M100
Here you can not say this the other way because of the properties of the arithmetic.
The Multipliers would decrease as the synergies for each fusion would decrease because you are just adding the same person. The power would increase at a decreasing rate. This is a very simple concept to understand.
So this is my opinion of how they would fuse together. I don’t think they powers are multiplied together. And I do not thing that all 100 nameks touched at once and decided LET’s FUSE NOW. I think it was a gradual process because there is no way that Freeza would allow that to happen. It being done gradually is much more realistic.
this argument is exactly the same for the namek.
I know this was a long post...sorry. I could have made a mistake in there.
2010-03-10 04:37:26
jesse
Geno. He also said that there was an infinite number of universes. "MULTIVERSE"
So with infinite universes theyre would be atleast 1 universe where buu absorbed vegitto, 1 where he didnt, 1 where he reabsorbed fat buu, 1 were he absorbed the super namek.
with infinite universes ANYTHING & EVERYTHING can happen and they didnt specify the universe. "Strongest in the universe" could include Zen Buu.
and to whoever mentioned it. when i was talking about gohan. i ment the power he had when he fought super buu. idk what to call him."Ultimate Gokan" i guess.
Super buu was stronger than Kid buu.
Kid buu was about equal to ssj3 Goku
ssj3 Gotenks was stronger than ssj3 Goku
Ultimate Gohan was stronger than Super buu with ssj3 Gotenks & Picollo absorbed.
Now if you are smart enough to follow that then you would know Ultimate Gohan is about 2-3 times as strong as ssj3 Goku.
Goku fusing with Gohan would make him about twice as strong as vegitto.
and yes i even added the rivalry boost for vegitto.
So with infinite universes theyre would be atleast 1 universe where buu absorbed vegitto, 1 where he didnt, 1 where he reabsorbed fat buu, 1 were he absorbed the super namek.
with infinite universes ANYTHING & EVERYTHING can happen and they didnt specify the universe. "Strongest in the universe" could include Zen Buu.
and to whoever mentioned it. when i was talking about gohan. i ment the power he had when he fought super buu. idk what to call him."Ultimate Gokan" i guess.
Super buu was stronger than Kid buu.
Kid buu was about equal to ssj3 Goku
ssj3 Gotenks was stronger than ssj3 Goku
Ultimate Gohan was stronger than Super buu with ssj3 Gotenks & Picollo absorbed.
Now if you are smart enough to follow that then you would know Ultimate Gohan is about 2-3 times as strong as ssj3 Goku.
Goku fusing with Gohan would make him about twice as strong as vegitto.
and yes i even added the rivalry boost for vegitto.
2010-03-10 04:46:52
Dave
@ Jesse
No, Ultimate Gohan was not stronger than Buutenks seeing as he didn't land a punch on him in the manga.
No, Ultimate Gohan was not stronger than Buutenks seeing as he didn't land a punch on him in the manga.
2010-03-10 04:54:22
jesse
I already posted this but i want to end a dumb argument.
In movie 8 Broly SAID he had too much power and he released it.
LSSJ can NOT have an infinite amout of power. His body would not be able to handle it.
Like Goku using a koekan x50, he would tear his body apart because koekan multiplys your power.
Goku has to transform to a SSJ to have the power.
Since SSJ is a x50 to your power level and so is koekan x50, but his NORMAL self cant handle it. So again HE TRANSFORMS.
Broly couldnt hold all the power he was getting, but if he TRANSFORMED to a LSSJ2 NOT A SSJ2. He could use the energy and continue to gain more power because of the LEGENDARY status, but again his body would have a limit, So he would again have to transform to a LSSJ3 and even 4.
sorry if i confused anyone. and I think Broly is already at a LSSJ2 because Vegitto said his power doubled and had to go SSJ2 to keep up with him.
or maybe Broly still has a LSSJ2 still in his bag of tricks
In movie 8 Broly SAID he had too much power and he released it.
LSSJ can NOT have an infinite amout of power. His body would not be able to handle it.
Like Goku using a koekan x50, he would tear his body apart because koekan multiplys your power.
Goku has to transform to a SSJ to have the power.
Since SSJ is a x50 to your power level and so is koekan x50, but his NORMAL self cant handle it. So again HE TRANSFORMS.
Broly couldnt hold all the power he was getting, but if he TRANSFORMED to a LSSJ2 NOT A SSJ2. He could use the energy and continue to gain more power because of the LEGENDARY status, but again his body would have a limit, So he would again have to transform to a LSSJ3 and even 4.
sorry if i confused anyone. and I think Broly is already at a LSSJ2 because Vegitto said his power doubled and had to go SSJ2 to keep up with him.
or maybe Broly still has a LSSJ2 still in his bag of tricks
2010-03-10 05:01:02
jesse
@DAVE
The manga is the best to go by but personally go by all sources put together Manga & Anima. If the CREATOR didnt like the idea of Gohan being stronger than buutenks. he would have done something about it. Maybe it was his way of CORRECTING an ERROR he had in the original.
Somethin i always do when REWRITTING.
not trying to argue. its just my personal beliefs.
besides even IF Gohan wasn't as strong as buutenks he was still def stronger than ssj3 Goku and if no one can see that they are blind
The manga is the best to go by but personally go by all sources put together Manga & Anima. If the CREATOR didnt like the idea of Gohan being stronger than buutenks. he would have done something about it. Maybe it was his way of CORRECTING an ERROR he had in the original.
Somethin i always do when REWRITTING.
not trying to argue. its just my personal beliefs.
besides even IF Gohan wasn't as strong as buutenks he was still def stronger than ssj3 Goku and if no one can see that they are blind
2010-03-10 05:50:02
Super Gojita 3
didn't like the super exciting guide or daizex or something state that nail fusing ith piccolo was a 100x multiplier?
piccolo vs frieza was like
Piccolo 1,800,000
Freeza 2nd form 1,000,000
3rd form ??? 2,000,000 ???
4th form ??? 120,000,000 max power
I think piccolo was at like 18,000 when he landed on namek.
I'm not sure...
IGNORE ME!
piccolo vs frieza was like
Piccolo 1,800,000
Freeza 2nd form 1,000,000
3rd form ??? 2,000,000 ???
4th form ??? 120,000,000 max power
I think piccolo was at like 18,000 when he landed on namek.
I'm not sure...
IGNORE ME!
2010-03-10 05:39:06
jesse
Also
sayajins "sorry" get stronger after each fight and after this fight Vegitto should be redicously stronger. im guessing atleast 10% stronger. plus he still has SSJ3 plus all the fights inbetween this and the finals. so i think Vegitto could get on par with zen buu. who may already have the super namik from his universe absorbed.
and to everyone who says it cant be possible.
goku is in more than 1 universe adviously so y not super namik
and why is it NOT a possibility that in buus universe he just so happen to absorb him =)
sayajins "sorry" get stronger after each fight and after this fight Vegitto should be redicously stronger. im guessing atleast 10% stronger. plus he still has SSJ3 plus all the fights inbetween this and the finals. so i think Vegitto could get on par with zen buu. who may already have the super namik from his universe absorbed.
and to everyone who says it cant be possible.
goku is in more than 1 universe adviously so y not super namik
and why is it NOT a possibility that in buus universe he just so happen to absorb him =)
2010-03-10 07:47:32
Dave
@ jesse
I know MG > any ssj3
But in manga or even going by the anime Gohan got severely outclassed by buutenks.
Also i don't think that the super buu and the super namek have met but maybe we don't know for sure but if no one can stop broly they'll have to step in.Maybe we'll see that very situation, zen buu absorbing uber namek to stop indestructible Broli. That would be cool.
I know MG > any ssj3
But in manga or even going by the anime Gohan got severely outclassed by buutenks.
Also i don't think that the super buu and the super namek have met but maybe we don't know for sure but if no one can stop broly they'll have to step in.Maybe we'll see that very situation, zen buu absorbing uber namek to stop indestructible Broli. That would be cool.
2010-03-10 07:58:05
Mr. Satan
@jesse realy needed to make several posts after each other? looks like spamming to me.
and kid buu wasn't equal to ssj3, he far outclassed goku (goku even had to use instant transmission to dodge a ki blast that kid buu trew in a lazy way)
but before you, and others forget again. DROP THE BUU DEBATE, salagir said for everyone to stop with debating which buu is stronger.
and kid buu wasn't equal to ssj3, he far outclassed goku (goku even had to use instant transmission to dodge a ki blast that kid buu trew in a lazy way)
but before you, and others forget again. DROP THE BUU DEBATE, salagir said for everyone to stop with debating which buu is stronger.
2010-03-10 08:50:03
gogeta son
O_o lazy way what????
2010-03-10 08:54:07
Geno
@ DBKHD-
>What's the point in posting the barely changed pages if the major scenes remains unaltered?
What's the point in complaining about it if it's not going to change their minds? Just wait it out.
@ nicklee-
>WHY ISN"T GOKU WEARING HIS "END OF Z" GI FROM THE LAST CHAPTER/EPISODE?YOU KNOW THE BLUE ONE.
Cause wearing a different outfit once doesn't mean he has to wear it from that point on.
@ jesse-
>So with infinite universes theyre would be atleast 1 universe where buu absorbed vegitto, 1 where he didnt, 1 where he reabsorbed fat buu, 1 were he absorbed the super namek.
There can't be one where he absorbed the super namek because the super namek is it's own major alteration. Your other three options would be an either/or kind of thing where he does one or another, but most likely not all of them.
>with infinite universes ANYTHING & EVERYTHING can happen and they didnt specify the universe. "Strongest in the universe" could include Zen Buu.
Salagir stated that the different universes in the multiverse each have only one major change to them. This means that there wouldn't be two major changes, just smaller changes that happen naturally as a result of the major one. Also, of course "strongest in the universe" includes Zen Buu. He has his own universe booth, doesn't he? That means he's the strongest in HIS universe. That doesn't mean he's the strongest one at the multiverse tournament, though.
>Super buu was stronger than Kid buu.
This is something that you are no longer allowed to argue about, as it has no definite end. I would suggest that you drop it here and now.
>Ultimate Gohan was stronger than Super buu with ssj3 Gotenks & Picollo absorbed.
Kinda funny that Gohan allowed himself to be beaten up by that form of Buu if he was stronger than him, isn't it?
>What's the point in posting the barely changed pages if the major scenes remains unaltered?
What's the point in complaining about it if it's not going to change their minds? Just wait it out.
@ nicklee-
>WHY ISN"T GOKU WEARING HIS "END OF Z" GI FROM THE LAST CHAPTER/EPISODE?YOU KNOW THE BLUE ONE.
Cause wearing a different outfit once doesn't mean he has to wear it from that point on.
@ jesse-
>So with infinite universes theyre would be atleast 1 universe where buu absorbed vegitto, 1 where he didnt, 1 where he reabsorbed fat buu, 1 were he absorbed the super namek.
There can't be one where he absorbed the super namek because the super namek is it's own major alteration. Your other three options would be an either/or kind of thing where he does one or another, but most likely not all of them.
>with infinite universes ANYTHING & EVERYTHING can happen and they didnt specify the universe. "Strongest in the universe" could include Zen Buu.
Salagir stated that the different universes in the multiverse each have only one major change to them. This means that there wouldn't be two major changes, just smaller changes that happen naturally as a result of the major one. Also, of course "strongest in the universe" includes Zen Buu. He has his own universe booth, doesn't he? That means he's the strongest in HIS universe. That doesn't mean he's the strongest one at the multiverse tournament, though.
>Super buu was stronger than Kid buu.
This is something that you are no longer allowed to argue about, as it has no definite end. I would suggest that you drop it here and now.
>Ultimate Gohan was stronger than Super buu with ssj3 Gotenks & Picollo absorbed.
Kinda funny that Gohan allowed himself to be beaten up by that form of Buu if he was stronger than him, isn't it?
2010-03-10 12:13:42
gi
cooler's face is differnt
2010-03-10 13:36:58
TElombre
Bravo ! ♣
2010-03-10 14:16:53
Mr. Satan
Mr. Popo > MR.satan > everything else
2010-03-10 15:10:55
Gold Fighter
given an infinite universe with an infinite time everything will happen. i dont know i just had to tell... :P
2010-03-10 15:36:08
Roketto
This page & its comments makes my head hurt. =__=o
It is too fricking early in the morning for me to coherently comment on this, so all I have to say is, "Oooh, pretty colored page...Yay Frieza is still there...Okay I'm done".
EDIT: Someone, please explain to me what "Pokopen" is. For some reason I'm unfamiliar with this term.
It is too fricking early in the morning for me to coherently comment on this, so all I have to say is, "Oooh, pretty colored page...Yay Frieza is still there...Okay I'm done".
EDIT: Someone, please explain to me what "Pokopen" is. For some reason I'm unfamiliar with this term.
2010-03-10 16:42:09
Vegerot
@ Roketto
I think it was the move King Piccolo used to make new fighters like tambourine, by spitting them out as an egg, but I'm not sure if this is correct:)
I think it was the move King Piccolo used to make new fighters like tambourine, by spitting them out as an egg, but I'm not sure if this is correct:)
2010-03-10 17:50:58
Bart Simpson rules!!
@ LivingxxGod
Um, way up in the posts you had a lot of text as italic. How did you do that? Did you put / around every word?
@ Syrias
ODS!
So many numbers =D
Um, way up in the posts you had a lot of text as italic. How did you do that? Did you put / around every word?
@ Syrias
ODS!
So many numbers =D
2010-03-10 17:28:57
DBKHD
Vegetto: Ahhhhh!!!! This is Super Vegetto!
In your face, Buu!
Ha!
In your face, Buu!
Ha!
2010-03-10 17:32:17
Roketto
Oh, okay, Pokopen is when Nameks create sub-Nameks that are not physically like the normal ones (e.g. the "demons" Piccolo Daimaou created).
I always wondered how/why Daimaou did that. Didn't realize other Nameks could too, but it would make sense. They're kind of like golem or homunculi, in the traditional sense, in that they could be used to carry out tasks & such, but probably could be disposable, unlike a fellow Namek.
I always wondered how/why Daimaou did that. Didn't realize other Nameks could too, but it would make sense. They're kind of like golem or homunculi, in the traditional sense, in that they could be used to carry out tasks & such, but probably could be disposable, unlike a fellow Namek.
2010-03-10 17:53:15
LivingxxGod
jesse
"sayajins "sorry" get stronger after each fight and after this fight Vegitto should be redicously stronger. im guessing atleast 10% stronger."
Doubt it, the Saiyans were no longer shown to receive zenkai boosts post Frieza, only Cell did. Each and everytime it was shown was due to a warranted plot device. Here, I doubt that would occur, I don't see a plot device needing Vegetto to receive a zenkai.
"plus he still has SSJ3"
Doubt it, Vegetto apparently never fought all out or trained to raise his own strength post the Buu saga. It seems that he spent his time sparring, but in a way of training Pan and Bra rather than bettering himself. Different philosophy from the Universe 18 guys.
I see this due to Vegetto stating that this would be the first time he ever used his true power - his SS2. You know this is his very first time due to him saying "for the first time since my fusion." Thus, not only do I doubt he has mastered the SS3 yet, he probably doesn't have it at all just yet.
"Ultimate Gohan was stronger than Super buu with ssj3 Gotenks & Picollo absorbed."
Excluding the fact that Goku said that Buu is now too strong and that Gohan will be killed... I thought you followed the manga?
"and yes i even added the rivalry boost for vegitto."
There is no such thing as a rivalry boost. Elder Kaioshin notes that it doesn't hurt that both live to outdo each other. What that implies is that because of this their power is so great to begin with. What the English dub anime says doesn't count.
"Now if you are smart enough to follow that then you would know Ultimate Gohan is about 2-3 times as strong as ssj3 Goku."
What is if you're smart enough to follow supposed to mean? That's just a guess, and at a norm the probability of your guess being wrong is high.
Dave
"I know MG > any ssj3"
No he is not. Mystic Gohan is just Gohan with some additional power, if he doesn't train, even a base Saiyan could theoretically get more powerful than him. Elder Kaioshin even noted that the Super Saiyan transformation is basically gimmicks anyways - it's not needed to have such power - thus why Gohan retained his black hair. An SS3 is a transformation multiplying the power of the base Saiyan whom has infinite potential for power - thus ever growing. Mystic Gohan was destined to be surpassed in power due to his choice of direction in life - and he was surpassed in power. So like I said, no, MG is not > any SS3.
It's like saying SS2 or 3 > ANY SS when Vegetto clearly shows that an SS can be stronger than another's SS3. Even another fusions SS3, it's just a multiple, not a static range of energy.
That is also why people's belief that someone merely having the ability to go SS and reaching a certain level of chi with automatically hit SS3 is absurd. SS3 is a transformation that builds chi upon the previous - it isn't a transformation as a result of having chi.
Bart Simpson rules
"Um, way up in the posts you had a lot of text as italic. How did you do that? Did you put a slash around every word?"
Just put a slash around whatever you want to quote. Reslash each large segment that is seperated by the return key(enter) and look at for certain characters that don't allow to be italicized. For instance, see how I editted your post slightly so it could be italicized? I removed the "/" in your post and literally wrote out "a slash" in its place. I also had to remove the 2 exclamation points from your name in order to bold it. It's pretty simple, if you have anymore questions just ask...
Syrias
"so, since nobody actually put up anything challenging my idea on the namek fusion and on what that would mean for the super namek... i now call the super namek to be strongest warrior of the actual tournament."
I haven't read any of these posts on this Super Namek fusion because it's all complete and utter guess work. You may claim he is the strongest here but he may not be. I wouldn't care either way, but I'd like it if he weren't and to become the most powerful he merged into our Piccolo to go toe to toe with the "main evil" as Salagir likes to call it.
"sayajins "sorry" get stronger after each fight and after this fight Vegitto should be redicously stronger. im guessing atleast 10% stronger."
Doubt it, the Saiyans were no longer shown to receive zenkai boosts post Frieza, only Cell did. Each and everytime it was shown was due to a warranted plot device. Here, I doubt that would occur, I don't see a plot device needing Vegetto to receive a zenkai.
"plus he still has SSJ3"
Doubt it, Vegetto apparently never fought all out or trained to raise his own strength post the Buu saga. It seems that he spent his time sparring, but in a way of training Pan and Bra rather than bettering himself. Different philosophy from the Universe 18 guys.
I see this due to Vegetto stating that this would be the first time he ever used his true power - his SS2. You know this is his very first time due to him saying "for the first time since my fusion." Thus, not only do I doubt he has mastered the SS3 yet, he probably doesn't have it at all just yet.
"Ultimate Gohan was stronger than Super buu with ssj3 Gotenks & Picollo absorbed."
Excluding the fact that Goku said that Buu is now too strong and that Gohan will be killed... I thought you followed the manga?
"and yes i even added the rivalry boost for vegitto."
There is no such thing as a rivalry boost. Elder Kaioshin notes that it doesn't hurt that both live to outdo each other. What that implies is that because of this their power is so great to begin with. What the English dub anime says doesn't count.
"Now if you are smart enough to follow that then you would know Ultimate Gohan is about 2-3 times as strong as ssj3 Goku."
What is if you're smart enough to follow supposed to mean? That's just a guess, and at a norm the probability of your guess being wrong is high.
Dave
"I know MG > any ssj3"
No he is not. Mystic Gohan is just Gohan with some additional power, if he doesn't train, even a base Saiyan could theoretically get more powerful than him. Elder Kaioshin even noted that the Super Saiyan transformation is basically gimmicks anyways - it's not needed to have such power - thus why Gohan retained his black hair. An SS3 is a transformation multiplying the power of the base Saiyan whom has infinite potential for power - thus ever growing. Mystic Gohan was destined to be surpassed in power due to his choice of direction in life - and he was surpassed in power. So like I said, no, MG is not > any SS3.
It's like saying SS2 or 3 > ANY SS when Vegetto clearly shows that an SS can be stronger than another's SS3. Even another fusions SS3, it's just a multiple, not a static range of energy.
That is also why people's belief that someone merely having the ability to go SS and reaching a certain level of chi with automatically hit SS3 is absurd. SS3 is a transformation that builds chi upon the previous - it isn't a transformation as a result of having chi.
Bart Simpson rules
"Um, way up in the posts you had a lot of text as italic. How did you do that? Did you put a slash around every word?"
Just put a slash around whatever you want to quote. Reslash each large segment that is seperated by the return key(enter) and look at for certain characters that don't allow to be italicized. For instance, see how I editted your post slightly so it could be italicized? I removed the "/" in your post and literally wrote out "a slash" in its place. I also had to remove the 2 exclamation points from your name in order to bold it. It's pretty simple, if you have anymore questions just ask...
Syrias
"so, since nobody actually put up anything challenging my idea on the namek fusion and on what that would mean for the super namek... i now call the super namek to be strongest warrior of the actual tournament."
I haven't read any of these posts on this Super Namek fusion because it's all complete and utter guess work. You may claim he is the strongest here but he may not be. I wouldn't care either way, but I'd like it if he weren't and to become the most powerful he merged into our Piccolo to go toe to toe with the "main evil" as Salagir likes to call it.
2010-03-10 17:47:03
Syrias
so, since nobody actually put up anything challenging my idea on the namek fusion and on what that would mean for the super namek... i now call the super namek to be strongest warrior of the actual tournament.
2010-03-10 17:55:31
Dr. Killjoy
depends if he is holding back
as it looks now, both broly and vegetto are more powerfull then him.
i think he is equal or abit weaker then zen buu
as it looks now, both broly and vegetto are more powerfull then him.
i think he is equal or abit weaker then zen buu
2010-03-10 18:04:00
Bart Simpson rules!!
2010-03-10 18:08:06
Geno
@ Syrias-
>i now call the super namek to be strongest warrior of the actual tournament.
Bull crap, you will. We both know the real reasons nobody is challanging your idea. Some people don't care and others know it's all guessing with numbers and doesn't have to work that way at all. Personally, I'm one of the people who just didn't care to read it. Of course, I think I've shifted to the other side now. =P
@ Guest017- (Below)
>That doesn't meant that we all have to say that we like it, though. :P
Of course not. I personally don't prefer this either. But, knowing that complaining about it won't change it, I am waiting it out and am curious to see how they change the pages, as are you, I assume. Too many people tend to complain about things just because they don't like them, you know?
>i now call the super namek to be strongest warrior of the actual tournament.
Bull crap, you will. We both know the real reasons nobody is challanging your idea. Some people don't care and others know it's all guessing with numbers and doesn't have to work that way at all. Personally, I'm one of the people who just didn't care to read it. Of course, I think I've shifted to the other side now. =P
@ Guest017- (Below)
>That doesn't meant that we all have to say that we like it, though. :P
Of course not. I personally don't prefer this either. But, knowing that complaining about it won't change it, I am waiting it out and am curious to see how they change the pages, as are you, I assume. Too many people tend to complain about things just because they don't like them, you know?
2010-03-10 18:03:31
Guest017
This seems even more pointless than Broly's backstory...at least we're getting something, I guess. That doesn't meant that we all have to say that we like it, though. :P
2010-03-10 18:12:02
Syrias
@Dr. Killjoy
so you assume the namek fusion for some weird reason does not work the same on everybody OR think piccolo actually gained (at kaios place, in just 6 days) about 100 times his strength from when fighting nappa and then fused with a vastly weaker nail to end up about 1 million in power in order to rival second form freeza? or what?
i say piccolo was still somewhere around the power he had when facing nappa, slightly stronger through kaios training he learned from. then he fused with a dying nail to come out of it with a power of around 1 million. that proposal actually fits in with piccolos reaction after the fusion. he was blown away at how much power he gained. so it cant have been a small increase.
further i see no reason why the same multiplier should not be used for every two nameks fusing. if you then take the "the super namek is ALL nameks fused up into one" you get the multiplier each time two nameks fuse. the resulting super namek would so much about every single one present in the DBM tournament that even zen buu could not rival him at all. even if there were fluctuations in the fusions multiplier due to most of the nameks being non warriors... still the power would be unbelievably high.
salagir should either retcon the super namek into "piccolo jr. decided to go home to namek instead of staying on earth for revenge" with piccolo and nail being the base for the supernamek who is now around zen buu and vegetto in power (but below the final broly, i guess) or just opt to not speak about the backstory at all.
there certainly is a multiplier in the namek fusion. a multiplier just to high if you have hundreds of nameks fusing.
IF all nameks fused, super namek HAS to be strongest around, unless there are plot points that grant other participants enormous ammounts of power.
@Geno
thats okay. i know its just guessing around. but still. an obvious multiplier is present in namek fusions in the two cases we see. so my point still stands and actually is a bit more than just wild guessing for the heck of it. at least in my opinion. :D
so you assume the namek fusion for some weird reason does not work the same on everybody OR think piccolo actually gained (at kaios place, in just 6 days) about 100 times his strength from when fighting nappa and then fused with a vastly weaker nail to end up about 1 million in power in order to rival second form freeza? or what?
i say piccolo was still somewhere around the power he had when facing nappa, slightly stronger through kaios training he learned from. then he fused with a dying nail to come out of it with a power of around 1 million. that proposal actually fits in with piccolos reaction after the fusion. he was blown away at how much power he gained. so it cant have been a small increase.
further i see no reason why the same multiplier should not be used for every two nameks fusing. if you then take the "the super namek is ALL nameks fused up into one" you get the multiplier each time two nameks fuse. the resulting super namek would so much about every single one present in the DBM tournament that even zen buu could not rival him at all. even if there were fluctuations in the fusions multiplier due to most of the nameks being non warriors... still the power would be unbelievably high.
salagir should either retcon the super namek into "piccolo jr. decided to go home to namek instead of staying on earth for revenge" with piccolo and nail being the base for the supernamek who is now around zen buu and vegetto in power (but below the final broly, i guess) or just opt to not speak about the backstory at all.
there certainly is a multiplier in the namek fusion. a multiplier just to high if you have hundreds of nameks fusing.
IF all nameks fused, super namek HAS to be strongest around, unless there are plot points that grant other participants enormous ammounts of power.
@Geno
thats okay. i know its just guessing around. but still. an obvious multiplier is present in namek fusions in the two cases we see. so my point still stands and actually is a bit more than just wild guessing for the heck of it. at least in my opinion. :D
2010-03-10 23:19:25
Gokumun
@ Rocketto
>Oh, okay, Pokopen is when Nameks create sub-Nameks that are not physically like the normal ones (e.g. the "demons" Piccolo Daimaou created).
>I always wondered how/why Daimaou did that. Didn't realize other Nameks could too, but it would make sense. They're kind of like golem or homunculi, in the traditional sense, in that they could be used to carry out tasks & such, but probably could be disposable, unlike a fellow Namek.
No, the Pokopen is not used to create SUB-Namekians, it is used to create ALL Namekians. Piccolo Daimao is the only one SEEN using it, but Saichourou, or "Guru", also used it to repopulate the Planet Namek after the cataclysm. It is a trait of the Ryuuzoku, Dragon Clan.
It would seem all Namekians are able to choose what their children will look like before birth, picking their physical traits during the Pokopen. The only reason that Daimao's children didn't resemble normal Namekians is because is considered to be of the Mazoku, Demon Clan, and unaware of his Namekian roots. He chose his sons to look like they did for specific reasons (ex. A dragon to track down Dragon Balls).
All of this is covered in the 7th Daizenshuu. Only in Dragon Ball Online are they like grunts to do work, but that's just for game mechanics and not exclusively canon.
>Oh, okay, Pokopen is when Nameks create sub-Nameks that are not physically like the normal ones (e.g. the "demons" Piccolo Daimaou created).
>I always wondered how/why Daimaou did that. Didn't realize other Nameks could too, but it would make sense. They're kind of like golem or homunculi, in the traditional sense, in that they could be used to carry out tasks & such, but probably could be disposable, unlike a fellow Namek.
No, the Pokopen is not used to create SUB-Namekians, it is used to create ALL Namekians. Piccolo Daimao is the only one SEEN using it, but Saichourou, or "Guru", also used it to repopulate the Planet Namek after the cataclysm. It is a trait of the Ryuuzoku, Dragon Clan.
It would seem all Namekians are able to choose what their children will look like before birth, picking their physical traits during the Pokopen. The only reason that Daimao's children didn't resemble normal Namekians is because is considered to be of the Mazoku, Demon Clan, and unaware of his Namekian roots. He chose his sons to look like they did for specific reasons (ex. A dragon to track down Dragon Balls).
All of this is covered in the 7th Daizenshuu. Only in Dragon Ball Online are they like grunts to do work, but that's just for game mechanics and not exclusively canon.
2010-03-10 18:56:32
MyNickHere
Next one should be significantly different, SSJ2 Vegito instead of the original.
2010-03-10 19:08:28
Dave
@ livingxxgod
Alright MG> any ssj3 that we have seen.
But it really goes Mr.Popo> dirt>worms in the dirt> everyone else. LOL
Alright MG> any ssj3 that we have seen.
But it really goes Mr.Popo> dirt>worms in the dirt> everyone else. LOL
2010-03-10 20:01:28
I_Am_ThE_LiGhT
@Syrias I agree people are so sprung on Brolly and saiyans that they refuse to believe anyone could be stronger then them lmao is a comic book lol.. I've heard some crazy theories on how Krillian can't be that strong or how this cant happen it's funny. It's Different Universes like what was stated at the beginning some places are different like night and day maybe there is a "Super Human" form just no human needed to reach it in the normal universe because they had saiyan help. That was the one problem with the series Focuses to much on the saiayans really. They could have killed off everyone else and left the saiyans and show could have went on
2010-03-10 23:18:35
jesse
wow
2010-03-11 19:12:55
jesse
did page 207 disappear?
2010-03-31 06:39:48
Inyoface
losers read this gosh!!!!
2010-04-03 03:46:22
info
first of all broly (in this comic only) is stronger than zen buu because on an earlier page buu was very suprised at both vegito and broly's power and looked scared in the intro. second super buu is only stronger than kid buu when he absorbs gotenks after that he isn't because goku said he could beat super buu when he was mostly piccolo or he wouldn't have to absorb gohan and just pwn them both. plus gohan is strongest only before the ten year peace then goku becomes stronger then both mystic and gotenks ss3 (around uub fight)also the super namek can't be the strongest if he was suprised at mystic gohans power. overal at this tournament goku would pwn gohan and gotenks at what ever level because he trained and they didn't but if i had to say whole tournament then of course broly or vegito
2010-04-03 10:31:17
nasty nappa
the cold family are in disbelief of how powerfull broly is
imagen if he went lssj3
imagen if he went lssj3
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