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Today, Akira Toriyama is 54 years old. Without him, we'd never get through this incredible adventure that is DB Multiverse... So please everyone, wish a happy birthday, Toriyama-San!!
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2009-04-08 18:38:47
newpage
Come on!
2009-04-08 19:38:38
Sly
After reading Salagir's post, I just want to say my own opinion on the sparks:
To me, SSJ2 always has sparks, they just don't always show when they're not powered up. With that I mean that if they just burst into it, but far from full power and that the sparks won't show. But if they charge at full power, that they will show.
(my opinion)
And otherwise, it's just not drawn because Toryama or the guys from the anime were to lazy to always draw the lightning and just let it away sometimes.
The electricity is something many people have argued about, but I know that SSJ2 & 3 contains electricity. And even when not shown, you can somehow see that they are SSJ2, or 3 (3 is easily spotted lol).
/opinion.
To me, SSJ2 always has sparks, they just don't always show when they're not powered up. With that I mean that if they just burst into it, but far from full power and that the sparks won't show. But if they charge at full power, that they will show.
(my opinion)
And otherwise, it's just not drawn because Toryama or the guys from the anime were to lazy to always draw the lightning and just let it away sometimes.
The electricity is something many people have argued about, but I know that SSJ2 & 3 contains electricity. And even when not shown, you can somehow see that they are SSJ2, or 3 (3 is easily spotted lol).
/opinion.
2009-04-08 21:08:21
Dude
@Salagir
If the lightning is missing on whole pages, it means it is not reliable for determining ssj2. The increased spikeyness of the hair, and the bangs are much more trustworthy.
The hair is the way to go.
My example of Goku fighting Yakon puts a hole in your theory Salagir, and counters it perfectly.(You may not like it, but there you have it, ssj2 with out lightning the whole time.)
I think I will stick with my BS.
Peace
My theory:
I believe the lightning is for show. If we had seen Gohan transform to fight Dabura, he probably would have had the electrical aura just like at the Tourney.
If the lightning is missing on whole pages, it means it is not reliable for determining ssj2. The increased spikeyness of the hair, and the bangs are much more trustworthy.
The hair is the way to go.
My example of Goku fighting Yakon puts a hole in your theory Salagir, and counters it perfectly.(You may not like it, but there you have it, ssj2 with out lightning the whole time.)
I think I will stick with my BS.
Peace
My theory:
I believe the lightning is for show. If we had seen Gohan transform to fight Dabura, he probably would have had the electrical aura just like at the Tourney.
2009-04-08 21:37:36
The Adder
@U
"for example, why wouldnt he fight seriously? he was sent to gather the energy for buu by killing gohan and the others. not fighting seriously would be the perfect opposite of his mission."
He was sent to gather energy by getting the fighters to use up a lot of their energy while inside the spaceship, not by killing them.
In addition to that, when Dabura stops the fight Gohan is exhausted, Dabura isn't.
"also, the fact that he wanted vegeta turned was because he realized vegeta was at least as strong as he, so he would be the best choice to fight the others."
He sensed evil in Vegeta's heart and decided he'd make a good servant for Babidi, how does that prove anything?
"also, gohan couldnt be ssj2, since vegeta said he will finish the fight, since he felt superior to what gohan did in that fight. since vegeta was only ssj1 at the time, this states more than enough that gohan was only ssj1."
1. No where does it say Vegeta can only go SSJ1 by this time. Evidence points to quite the opposite. Vegeta didn't become shocked when Goku went SSJ2.
2. Look at the hair. Gohan has his SSJ2 hair during the fight, not his SSJ1 hair.
"for example, why wouldnt he fight seriously? he was sent to gather the energy for buu by killing gohan and the others. not fighting seriously would be the perfect opposite of his mission."
He was sent to gather energy by getting the fighters to use up a lot of their energy while inside the spaceship, not by killing them.
In addition to that, when Dabura stops the fight Gohan is exhausted, Dabura isn't.
"also, the fact that he wanted vegeta turned was because he realized vegeta was at least as strong as he, so he would be the best choice to fight the others."
He sensed evil in Vegeta's heart and decided he'd make a good servant for Babidi, how does that prove anything?
"also, gohan couldnt be ssj2, since vegeta said he will finish the fight, since he felt superior to what gohan did in that fight. since vegeta was only ssj1 at the time, this states more than enough that gohan was only ssj1."
1. No where does it say Vegeta can only go SSJ1 by this time. Evidence points to quite the opposite. Vegeta didn't become shocked when Goku went SSJ2.
2. Look at the hair. Gohan has his SSJ2 hair during the fight, not his SSJ1 hair.
2009-04-09 05:10:34
Geno
@ unknown sayian- Yeah? The first few pages also feature Cooler and not Trunks, but as we all saw Trunks beat Cooler. The first few pages only tells us who "survives" to that point, not who wins or loses.
@ u- Dabura not being there later could mean that he was killed eventually, but what T'Lani is saying is that Dabura not being there doesn't mean he lost to Cell. For all we know, Dabura beats Cell and then Dabura gets killed later on while Cell gets to stay and watch after losing. Using the early on pages to determine who will win or lose is not very relyable since we all saw Cooler in them and no Trunks, and we don't see Kakarot or our Vegeta either (wouldn't it be funny if later on our Vegeta and Kakarot double K.O.? XD).
@ u- Dabura not being there later could mean that he was killed eventually, but what T'Lani is saying is that Dabura not being there doesn't mean he lost to Cell. For all we know, Dabura beats Cell and then Dabura gets killed later on while Cell gets to stay and watch after losing. Using the early on pages to determine who will win or lose is not very relyable since we all saw Cooler in them and no Trunks, and we don't see Kakarot or our Vegeta either (wouldn't it be funny if later on our Vegeta and Kakarot double K.O.? XD).
2009-04-09 16:23:22
u
>He was sent to gather energy by getting the fighters to use up a lot of their energy while inside the spaceship, not by killing them.
babidis reaction to daburas fight with gohan:"what are you doing, dabura, youre not causing enough DAMAGE. "
does this sound like he's pleased with what dabura is doing? not at all. also,damage. he wants him to do damage to them. what greater damage could be done if not killing them? which he wasnt capable of.
>he sensed evil in Vegeta's heart and decided he'd make a good servant for Babidi
why would he want to add another servant to babidis army, if boo is the ultimate servant? and dabura is mindcontrolled. his only ambition is to do what his master says. so kill gohan and the others. but gohan was stronger than what he thought. as ive seen it they were equal in power. but i do agree that dabra was a better fighter. but not stronger.
>when Dabura stops the fight Gohan is exhausted, Dabura isn't.
not really, but youre allowed to see that so.
only thing im really sure of is that everyone will keep his or her own opinion. therefore let this topic die.
babidis reaction to daburas fight with gohan:"what are you doing, dabura, youre not causing enough DAMAGE. "
does this sound like he's pleased with what dabura is doing? not at all. also,damage. he wants him to do damage to them. what greater damage could be done if not killing them? which he wasnt capable of.
>he sensed evil in Vegeta's heart and decided he'd make a good servant for Babidi
why would he want to add another servant to babidis army, if boo is the ultimate servant? and dabura is mindcontrolled. his only ambition is to do what his master says. so kill gohan and the others. but gohan was stronger than what he thought. as ive seen it they were equal in power. but i do agree that dabra was a better fighter. but not stronger.
>when Dabura stops the fight Gohan is exhausted, Dabura isn't.
not really, but youre allowed to see that so.
only thing im really sure of is that everyone will keep his or her own opinion. therefore let this topic die.
2009-04-09 18:10:43
me
PLEEASE MAKE KAT COMPLETELY NUDE FOR ME THEN MAKE HER COME TO LIFE AND OBEY MY EVERY COMMAND
2009-04-10 06:21:52
yo
happy birthday
2009-04-10 23:14:40
ArmandtheWise
I am totally rooting for perfect cell! GO CELL GO!
2009-04-11 17:45:08
omar
happ b-day
2009-04-12 09:53:00
crackpot
You guys DO know that mangaka make decisions based on time and ease, right? Lightning is an element of 2 and 3, but that doesn't mean because it's not ALWAYS used somehow makes not not said tansformation.
For christ's sake, he admits he names all this characters after objects for ease of use reasons. The guy forgets his own characters, to boot. The logic based on something that's not real-life video is flawed.
For christ's sake, he admits he names all this characters after objects for ease of use reasons. The guy forgets his own characters, to boot. The logic based on something that's not real-life video is flawed.
2009-04-12 10:42:34
ssj4synfulvegeta
Happy belated b'day Toriyama-sensei!
1. Kakarot-a pervert? Lol, that's interesting. Who would've thought of it that way. But I do want to know more about this Kat, even if she IS a JOKE CHARACTER. Hope Salagir and the gang could emphasize more on this. I have this feeling Kakarot isn't going to let her go that easily~ =3=
2. I hope Cell wins and kick Dabura's sorry bum.
1. Kakarot-a pervert? Lol, that's interesting. Who would've thought of it that way. But I do want to know more about this Kat, even if she IS a JOKE CHARACTER. Hope Salagir and the gang could emphasize more on this. I have this feeling Kakarot isn't going to let her go that easily~ =3=
2. I hope Cell wins and kick Dabura's sorry bum.
2009-04-20 23:23:00
Tomius The legendary Sayian
Happy Birthday Toriyama-San!!
2009-04-27 22:38:12
UMMX
Akira is an bull? and I thought her boobs would pop out.
2009-06-04 16:05:57
unknown-92
Happy birthday,Akira!I like your anime DBZ
2009-06-19 11:00:07
You
Kat needs her own Hentai doujin.
2009-06-28 20:32:31
DBZ guy
Is Kat a fan made character? She's so Hot
2009-07-01 18:34:20
My Nick
Sigh I wish Kat's boobs were shown
2009-07-28 23:53:21
ratchet c999
my nick nice one and get a real jo-i mean name!
btw awesome comic salagir =)
btw awesome comic salagir =)
2009-08-17 19:10:47
trillionpacks
happy birthday Akira Toriyama and thanks for all u have done for us
2009-09-07 17:36:11
Larry
Thank a LOT master Toriyama!
2009-09-30 03:42:30
Flik
Kat should thank Salagir that DBM isn't Hentai. She would be raped, literaly :D
2009-10-19 01:48:18
mel
dragon ball z is one of the best mangas out there. CHECK OUT zeq2.com/lite TO PLAY THE NEW DBZ GAME FOR PC, TRUST ME YOU WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED, GO NOW!!!!!
2009-11-05 07:40:40
POOHEAD189
IDK guys...she looks a little too..."used" to me
2009-12-04 21:30:08
gogi
happy birthday toriyama sensei
2010-01-30 08:49:16
PerfectCell
Perfect!
2010-03-16 20:52:32
cek d. ark
long life for Akira Toriyama Sensei and thanks for Dragon Ball you create A legend...
2010-04-03 12:40:39
nasty nappa
lol hes just like master roshi
he must have some bits of granpa gohan in him
he must have some bits of granpa gohan in him
2010-04-05 19:34:53
Stig_007
That's weird, I thought it didnt matter if they killed their oppenent?
2010-04-11 15:28:43
Multiversefan7
I had a feeling This Kakarott was perverted. He must haved fused with master roshi in his universe.
2010-05-18 10:51:20
CellPerfectForm
I coundn't say it better my self, Cell!
2010-06-15 13:53:23
pakple
happy bornday Mr. Toriyama..
2010-06-22 14:59:28
RFyleDBZSSJ4
Happy birthday Akira Toriyama.
2010-07-09 18:27:30
FINALVEGETA100
me: hapy birth day toriyama-san!!!
salagir: hapy birth day toryama-an!!!!
gogeta jr: hapy birth day toryama-san!
salagair: * trows kamehameha from master sword*
gogeta jr: trows big bang kamehameha!
me: wait wathch your aim first!!
me: * get hit by both ataks *
slagir: sorry
gogeta jr: sorry
me: its ok! fals to the flor geehehehehe.....
salagir: hapy birth day toryama-an!!!!
gogeta jr: hapy birth day toryama-san!
salagair: * trows kamehameha from master sword*
gogeta jr: trows big bang kamehameha!
me: wait wathch your aim first!!
me: * get hit by both ataks *
slagir: sorry
gogeta jr: sorry
me: its ok! fals to the flor geehehehehe.....
2010-07-11 22:19:21
FINALVEGETA100
JEJEJE
2010-07-17 02:49:49
Jon
Well of course Happy birthday Akira Toriyama!
2010-07-30 21:14:27
Vegeta Jr.
Happy birthday Akira Toriyama!
2010-08-01 19:05:57
Ultimate Kai
LOL @ Vegeta calling Kat a pervert..
2010-08-05 05:12:03
Frank :D
happy bday Akira Toriyama! we all appreciate the entertainment u have given us :)
2010-08-24 21:21:43
Kalitta
Happy bday akira
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