Great chapter cover. It looks amazing. I love the Star Wars theme of Gast vs XXI with Jedi Ghast and Sith Lord Emperor XXI as if they were Luke Skywalker and Sith Lord Emperor Palpatine.



Any chance we can get this image not at the diagonal angle if a version like that exists or a full version of the image if a that one is just a portion of the original image?

This end wasn't clever at all. It was highly predictable and the only reason more people weren't Saiyan this is how it would end is because it just felt like this fight was going on for too long for it to be revealed to be just a vision.

It was a complete and utter waste of all the reader's time that was by far the worst special we got cuz it accomplished nothing, but padding out the weeks while I assume Asura needed a break &/or they wanted to get more ahead on pages so they wouldn't necessarily have to keep doing Special Chapters as often as they have been recently. It really pissed a lot of people off for no good reason to see that this Kakaditz was so weak compared to SSJ3 Vegeta and the fact that that would mean that Ultimate Raditz must be so much weaker than we expected him to be because it defintely wasn't Kakarotto that was making the fusion so weak.

That was completely unnecessary for them to frame this chapter that way if the big reveal was that it was just a vision. They should've revealed that before the vision started, so people wouldn't expect too much from Kakaditz and wouldn't be angered by Ultimate Raditz's power seemingly being so much lower than we'd expected. It also would've allowed people not interested in the fight to leave at anytime they want and return later once the main story resumed. It also didn't help that there was some uncertainty about whether or not the majority of the what turned out to be a vision was happening before or after the I'K'L temper-tantrum (yes I'm calling that a temper-tantrum because honestly that's really all it really was; a newborn with the mental capacity of a teenager throwing a tantrum thinking he was saving the Universes of all present at the tournament and also was gonna stop XXI).



Yeah it was a shame this turned out to be a vision. It also was poorly framed for being a vision that ultimately results in no real impact on the greater story. They should've just let us know it was a vision from the get-go so people wouldn't get so angry about how Kakaditz being as weak as he was really made it look like Ultimate Raditz was far weaker than he ultimately should've been (pun intended). If we knew it was a vision from the start, not only would people be less angry about this fight, but also people could choose to leave until the main story resumed at any point that they lost interest in this fight.

I also agree that it's a shame that Kakaditz will likely never make another appearance. On the bright side maybe, maybe just maybe we might get Radgeta instead when Old Kai has him fuse with someone for real this time around with it not just being another vision. I really think Radgeta would be the best option to create with the Potara if we're to fuse Ultimate Raditz with another person from U13 as it'd create the most balanced, stable, and powerful being that could be created outside maybe U13 Vegito (power-wise, not balanced-wise or stability-wise). Also I'd find it super hilarious and the well earned just desserts for both Raditz and Vegeta if Old Kai promised Raditz the fusion would be undone after the battle with XXI, but by the time the battle ended it ended up being revealed that the fusion was already stabilized and could no longer be undone. It'd be just desserts for Raditz because he had been plotting to kill Vegeta after unlocking his Ultimate Form and it'd be just desserts for Vegeta cuz Vegeta really does mistreat Raditz and Kakarotto (mostly Raditz, but still...). Also it'd be interesting to see the brilliant and powerful tactical fighting genius that was more well-tempered as a result of Raditz mellowing out Vegeta who is prone to angry outbursts when things don't go his way unlike Raditz who begrudgingly accepts it and figures out the next plan of action to try to rework things so they ultimately end up favorably for him. Also what would the dynamic between Radgeta and Kakarotto and Nappa be like AND also how would the Saiyan Empire improve probably for the better with Radgeta being the new Saiyan King.



People are complaining because they didn't need to unnecessarily piss people off by waiting until the end to reveal that this was all ultimately a pointless waste of the readers time and that Ultimate Raditz will likely not be as weak as this chapter's fights seemed to make him look. If they just revealed that this was a vision from the start, it would've allowed people to know this fight's outcome wasn't a reflection of Ultimate Raditz's true power and let people leave whenever they would like if they ever got fed up with the fight and decided they wanted to leave and return once the main story resumed. That is why people are complaining at least to the best of my knowledge based off how people in the English Forum's thread about this chapter were annoyed by this chapter and finally relieved once we got the reveal that it was just a vision after all.

TROLLAGIR STRIKES AGAIN!!!

He's really trolled us hard this time and unnecessarily pissed off too many people. He should've had the reveal that these events were a vision before the vision instead of afterwards. That way he wouldn't be pissing people off like he did this way and yes I know he didn't draft this chapter, but he could've requested the artist to have the reveal be before the vision instead of after it. If it was revealed before the vision, it would've let us know that this isn't actually happening so people wouldn't've responded to the events of the vision so badly or at least less people would have AND it also would've allowed people who didn't care about this fight to leave at any time of their choosing and return back later once the next chapter started. 1 Replie(s)

What a terrible day for rain. It's been raining ever since last night's news announcement of Toriyama's passing. RIP Toriyama; you'll be missed so much. You impacted my life more than anything else ever has. The Dragon Ball anime will always be my favorite anime even if I know there are ones that are better, but a favorite doesn't have to be the best.

I've spent countless hours discussing the series, watching the anime, RPing about it, and reading DBM. My RP character is my love letter to the series as Kor is a Saiyan that's been genetically engineered like Cell, just kept mostly Saiyan with a full on Saiyan appearance and the base genetic instincts and personality traits of one.

Over time the Internet gave me the nickname of Kor after how I used to both talk as myself and Kor in online conversations when I first became active online. As time progressed, I became so accustomed to it that I eventually decided to someday legally change my name to Kor D Saiyajinkami. I actually finally accomplished that goal around 1.5 months ago.

I'm thinking either Cell after reading the comments or who I thought it maybe just maybe could be Zen Buu who found a way back or was never fully gone in the first place. I know it's probably not but a guy can dream, right?

They didn't plan it. They just had the same thought and Gohan just knows Roshi well enough to know they both had the same reason for doing it. The following is just mere speculation on my part, but Roshi may have done the same thing back when he had first taken on Gohan and Ox King as pupils.

Thank you all for making this a reality.

If you compare them on the surface and don't look deeper like the Vargas are doing here, it would be very easy to make that mistake and think they are too similar.

OH DAYUMN that Vegeta rushing forward at the bottom looks AMAZING!!! Great work as always Asura.

Damn Goku looks happy despite being bloody and beaten. Amazing work from Asura as always. I just hope we get a flashback to what we missed.

WOW!!! Just "WOW!!!" This page is amazing. I don't know what else to really say.

The power of Buu is amazing. He guessed where I live to the exact city.

In DBM, both were already stopped by Future Gohan before he died.

I don't think Ammar's explanation is wrong. The Z-Fighters with exception of Trunks are killed by C17 & C18. Future Trunks dies to Imperfect Cell. Imperfect Cell leaves to the past to never return. This allows for I'K'L to be the ultimate warrior of U15.

Great art, but the characters look a little bit to stiff to me almost like they were action figures. Most so with Perfect Cell, but him looking action figure levels of stiff does make me at least notice the other looks the same, but maybe to a lesser extent. 1 Replie(s)

I don't know if you got it, but I'm pretty sure that line was a snide remark towards DBS and their low quality animation. Ya know good ol' DBS episode 5 Goku.

Damn shirtless Trunks rushing forward is HOT! No homo.



This is in Age 794, which is after Trunks defeats the C17, C18, and Imperfect Cell. To be more specific, it's 9 years after he killed C17 & C18 AND 6 years after he killed Imperfect Cell. In DBM this would be 20 years after Babidi and Dabura were killed by Future Gohan in Age 774, so that's definitely not possible.

In Age 774 after Future Gohan found Future Babidi's ship, Future Majin Buu had been attempted to be awoken early by Future Babidi and such a thing resulted seemingly in failure as Buu didn't appear and Future Gohan said the opened Buu ball smelled like rotten food and candy. Maybe just maybe, Buu didn't die as a result of this or Future Gohan blowing up the ship with a Kamehameha, BUT as a result of the premature release it took much longer to take his physical form. If this is the case, then maybe Future Majin Buu could be an enemy in this double special if we have an enemy that is. 1 Replie(s)

This Earth is quite different from U9's Earth. First off there is no Guardian of Earth, so they couldn't just go to Kami's Lookout. Secondly there is a much smaller population as a result of C17 & C18 killing off most of Earth's population before Future Trunks killed them. So it makes sense that they'd have to do something a bit more flashy to get the attention of the warriors they're looking for.

Actually it makes a lot of sense. Bulma historically has been attracted to strong men. One could say that maybe she also has a thing for bad boys seeing as both Yamcha and Vegeta were such. Yamcha being a former desert bandit and well we all know what Vegeta used to be.

I zoomed in on the image to see what you were talking about and it's not a new threat. That's the Vargas ship arriving to invite Trunks and 16 to the tournament. It looks pretty much identical to the one we see sent to invite U18 to the tournament as seen on pages 12 and 13. 1 Replie(s)

God fucking dammit. So the mind battles were a replacement for an actual fight it seems. Why Salagir, why?!!! T-T

LMAO That's fricken hilarious. Not sure why but I imagined that line by Bra's-mind's Gast in the voice of Goofy.

Interesting. If these weren't just mental simulations of the fight, Gast might've rushed forward into a barrage of Ki Blasts from Bra and that might've resulted quickly in his downfall.

I'm now only slightly interested in seeing the rest of Bra's mental fight simulation AND I really would like to see how the fight actually ends up starting. I feel like Bra's only has importance to show how this fight could've played out if they each took their first actions of their respective mental simulations. 1 Replie(s)

29 seconds to regenerate and super-speed to behind Raichi for someone of Gast's power would be child's play and with the smokescreen caused by Vegeta's "killing" move and Broly's rampage it isn't too hard to believe that he could do so unnoticed in such a time frame. 1 Replie(s)

A16 wasn't brought back because there was no soul to resurrect. C18 was just turned off by the on/off switch that XXI wished to be made with his set of Dragon Balls. If XXI's Eternal Dragon can create an on/off switch, it's only logical that turning C18 back on should be within the reach of Porunga. 1 Replie(s)

First the boombox plan and then "heal our machine". Damn this Vargas girl is pretty stupid. There's no way that would work. The machine isn't alive.

I feel like this event was made part of the story by Salagir to add some much needed comedy, some amazing badass action with everyone here, and to allow Asura to have the chance to draw just about every reactionary expression he could ever imagine Zen Buu having.

There's no way this is the end. This feels too easy a win for Vegito and the others. Zen Buu's gotta have something up his sleeve as it's obvious he already knew about the technique's existence based off how he was giving Gotenks instructions on how to do it. 1 Replie(s)

LOL, but I'm pretty sure that's technically actual cheating unlike the Senzu Bean incident in the main comic, since she's technically receiving help from the audience in this case.

Nice page.

I wish the English version had the Official English names for certain characters. It's cool to learn the original Jap translated names, but it's also weird too especially when they are too different from the English versions.

This chapter is the perfect blend of comedy and action and I love it for that. I really do hope this event isn't the setup to Zen Buu's exit from the story like some people think it is. I'd rather this just be more trying to reinvigorate the readers who dislike Zen Buu &/or think his gimmick as a character has gotten stale. I can't say if it's working though because Zen Buu is my favorite DBM character and I have not been disillusioned by him yet.

OMFG, it's Gohan²!!! ^fanboy screaming^

Wow U18 Frieza's fear and PTSD of Super Saiyan Goku is so great that U8-C's Frieza is feeling it from both beyond U18 Frieza's grave and in a whole other Universe entirely.

Indeed. It may not work even with the magic. Him breaking out of it when XXI did it could've been the catalyst to him being able to make himself immune to it. And since we know he's capable of thought acceleration due to GSK's reveal of millions of years of conversation over the span of days, then who knows how much time he's had to perfect an immunity to it? Probably far more than plenty enough though.

This page is fantastic. Not much to say about it as it's just all action, which is good, not bad. Of course it's another masterpiece by Asura. 12/10

(I might have more to say later cuz I'm technically still waking up right now and on top of that I'm blown away by how well this page is drawn by Asura.)

If you're asking about the next page, it will be Sunday (tomorrow) 8PM in the French Timezone. DBM pages are released on Sunday, Wednesday, and Friday at the same time of 8PM in the French Timezone.

If you are wondering when the Buu vs Everyone part of the story will be over, nobody knows, but it probably won't end for a while seeing as it just started. If I had to guess, it'd last at least a year since this story segment seems similar to the Majin Bra vs Everyone segment which lasted a year including Specials that happened in between main story chapters.

This is so obvious that I can't believe I've never considered this. That seems exactly like something Zen Buu would do. Though knowing what we know about him granting wishes from the 2nd U4 Special Chapter, I can see him not doing it for everyone. Only for those that he likes OR in the case of it being proven he can now access the Multiverse freely, then it being for those he thinks the outcome would be entertaining to him to see what results come of it.

So yes, I called it that Zen Buu was just taking precautions against Gast and what he still has up his sleeve, not that he was scared of Gast sealing him up again.

Also I love how Zen Buu is just playing Vegito like a fiddle. He knew claiming Gast was the only threat would work to rile up Vegito.

I don't think that he's gonna dominate Vegito. Remember he is at the DBM tournament to have fun and he wants to test Vegito's raw power against his own, which means it's very likely he's not gonna use his magic against Vegito unless it looks like has no other choice but to start using magic. And when I say magic, I mean the magical abilities that aren't already native to him of course, so his magic-based regenerative abilities, candy beam, and being able to split into multiples are still all on the table as abilities.

Knowing Chibi Bra, Femme Frieza going hippie dippie love is all you need WASN'T a threat at all. She just didn't like it, so she put a stop to it before it could happen in this new timeline.

And lemme guess, the terrible future is her losing to Gast in her fight, because yet again that definitely is something I'd see Chibi Bra doing.

I'm sure he could have done that, but he didn't want to do that. He wanted to get revenge against Gast for sealing him away, which lead to the situation where he had to pretend to be sealed away by GSKd from there on afterwards. This humiliation is something Zen Buu would see as absolutely needing to be paid back a thousand fold, which is what he's done here. Also him killing Gast in this over-the-top manner doubles as a means of him showing how powerful he is as a start to proving GSK's words about him being an omnipotent God. And by omnipotent, not necessarily actually omnipotent, but just so much more powerful than everyone else that he for all intents and purposes is.

I imagine he's gonna fight Vegito without magic because Vegito is someone he's been itching to fight mono e mono to see who is stronger when it comes to power alone. Though when I say magic, I mean any magic he's obtained through absorbing others since Buu Saga, so any magic native to his being is fair game. As for Bra, who knows, because he's definitely than stronger than her when it comes to power alone. And XXI, I honestly think will probably do nothing just like he always seems to do when it comes to fights outside the tournament though it is possible that XXI could very well side with Zen Buu to help if it looks like Buu might lose since as far as he'd know the tournament is to be canceled if Buu loses.

This page is super cool. Also is that Future Trunks in the last panel? If so awesome, been a while since we saw him on a page.

EDIT: And as someone who plays Yu-Gi-Oh, I love the reference to Dark Worlds with one of Zen Buu's spells being called "Dark World Lightning", which happens to be a Spell Card in the Dark World archetype.




I agree wholeheartedly. Nothing wrong with strategizing. 1 Replie(s)

I see what you did there Le Nuage. Sneakily implying that Son Bra is the Uub of U16 or at least in the Chibi Bra version of U16. XD

It's still possible that he ends up being swayed that way after he and Zen Buu are done fighting. Hell for all we know he might already be that way, but realize this is his only chance to fight Zen Buu as it's possible Zen Buu might lose here and that serious face we see could be just a result of him really getting into the fight OR maybe he Zen Buu did something to anger him to force a fight and afterwards Zen Buu reveals that he just wanted a fight and that whatever it was he did was just a means to an end and he never really intended to follow thru with his threat.

I think it's important to realize that a glimpse of a single panel without the context of previous &/or following content can be used sometimes to trick readers into getting a false impression. Now I'm not Saiyan that that is always the case, but it can be sometimes, so it's best not to read too far into such teasers and it's better to maintain an open mind about what might come up.

Maybe the first one, but the others I'd say no to those being involved. Zen Buu is using magic and those last two things you've mentioned aren't magic. The first one is the only one you can argue might be magic.

What's to say that it would work a second time? Gast has other advanced magic at his disposal, so it's likely Zen Buu is sealing him as a precautionary measure against other magic that Gast could use that he hasn't shown off yet.

I love this. Nice to see Zen Buu using some offensive magic in combat. As for those that may think that this confirms that Zen Buu hasn't developed a means of countering Gast's Sealing Spell, I think this doesn't confirm that. I think it's more that Zen Buu is aware that Gast is a potential legitimate threat capable of highly advanced magic and doesn't wish to risk letting him interfere or threaten him with some magic that he's currently unaware of Gast having access to. It's a precautionary measure in my opinion, not confirmation of Zen Buu being powerless to stop Gast's Sealing Spell. Also if you were to stop and think, Gast himself said way back when he initially used it that he had no intention of using it long term, which probably means it's not necessarily viable long term as it likely could drain his mana (yes, I think magic users have a mana pool just like Ki users have a pool of Ki; it just makes sense).

Probably that person thought Bra was 14 having either not realized she's older due to time in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber or having forgotten about such. 2 Replie(s)

Ah I see. Makes sense. I was wondering why she didn't use the Konami Code instead. Honestly might've been better if Le Nuage had used the Konami Code for this page instead as it's the most recognizable cheat code in existence.

It's the muscles that cause the confusion. That bartender outfit looks like it's about to burst at the seems, so I've mistaken that for his muscles and as for Gast's size difference, I guess I forgot about that somehow.

Actually I'm pretty certain that that is Gast. You can tell because of how the bartended is pretty buff and the serious expression on his face is like Gast too. Not Saiyan that Piccolo doesn't have a serious face sometimes, but this serious expression is more serious than Piccolo's.

As for why Gast is the bartender, he probably got pressured into being the bartender and is doing so begrudgingly.



Yes her hair is orange, but due to the lighting it appears to be more on the yellow side. One could say it's a yellow-orange or a yellowish orange. 2 Replie(s)

Great chapter cover. I love it. Nice to see both Phipsil and Bra enjoying themselves together after the Majin Rebellion and Phipsil not having any hard feelings towards Bra since she knows that it wasn't Bra's fault for being brainwashed by Babidi.

I'm accepting this page as being canonical to the story even if most chapter covers aren't. And I'd love to hear from Salagir or Asura if this is ones that legitimately can be counted as canonical. Though even without such a confirmation, I'm gonna accept it as canon.


An effect of the lighting of the bar most likely.



Drinking age in France is 16 except for hard liquor which is allowed starting at 18. Remember DBM is authored/drawn by Salagir and Asura who are both from France. ALSO who is to say what the legal drinking age is in the Dragon World if there is one at all. ALSO ALSO they are in U0, which is a lifeless Universe with no laws except what would be established for the rules of the tournament.

I swear Kumpin reminds me of the ugly bastard character trope in hentai.

Chibi Majin Bra eats Chibi Buu.
Chibi Buu (insider her): "You thought you could eat Buu!"
Chibi Buu starts absorbing Bra from inside her.
Chibi Super Buubs is born.

Okay that was funny that Goku did that to Raditz. Makes sense. After all, Raditz does have the physique of a male, but long hair like a female so Goku might've been confused about whether or not Raditz was a boy or a girl. Unfortunately for Goku, Raditz apparently must've thought him to be mentally challenged or something and I could see how Saiyan-kind would find that worthy of death because a Saiyan who can't fight is just as good as a dead Saiyan.

Since there is no strikeout option, I'll be using a Spoiler for that purpose instead:

Above Spoiler text is what I originally said before I realized I misunderstood the tagline AND also noticed there was no Strikeout text format option, so pretend that's text that has been striken out.

So I think we both misunderstood the tagline at the top. It's saying that in the original story they were always a little bit stronger when they arrived, not in the events of this story though, so Raditz will still be massively stronger than our heroes here. 1 Replie(s)

I gotta say I'd be down for this secondary tournament. Also with the SSK cancelling the tournament and Vegito's reaction to that, I wonder if we're about to get Vegito snapping, because he's actually on Zen Buu's side in this situation and against the Supreme Kais who want to end the tournament and send everyone home. 1 Replie(s)

Actually it's not a role that they exist to play. In the majority of other Universes they don't take action until a threat comes of existence that threatens to be the end of the Universe. U1 & U10's Supreme Kais were the only ones who chose to exceed their role and take out potential threats in advance just because they were evil and had the potential to cause great harm in the future. 1 Replie(s)

Cool if power is everything like you seem to think it is, how come XXI's spell was able to transport Vegito to another dimension in the first place? Also how did Babidi's spell transport Vegito along with everyone else billion of lightyears away from the arena? Maybe you can somehow argue that XXI has some sorta massive amount of raw power that we just don't know about yet, but you can't do the same with Babidi. After all Babidi is so weak that Piccolo from the Buu Saga far outclassed him and nearly killed him. Babidi was just extremely lucky that he could survive a fatal injury long enough for Buu to heal him. 2 Replie(s)

I don't think this would've played out differently enough to be significant to the story if GSK didn't tell his side of the story. Let's imagine the Vargas tech girl immediately tried to send him back without listening to any of GSK's story. Her tech would've still failed, so the next step is manually returning him to U4. Do you think the Namekian would've been able to lift the Buu cocoon, load it on a ship outside the arena, take the Buu cocoon to U4, and then have the ship return to U0 all before Buu escaped from the cocoon? The amount of time GSK was telling his side of the story probably took place in less than the time it would've taken to carry the Buu cocoon to a ship outside the arena. So Buu escapes the cocoon en route to a ship to take him back to U4. He'd still be in U0. Nothing would've changed that makes any significant difference to how events are currently unfolding. 1 Replie(s)

I agree we're gonna have to end this debate here. Though I do "love" (sarcasm) how you make it appear as I'm the one who is doing what it is that you're actually doing IN ORDER to create the illusion that you're the winner of a competition that didn't exist and only existed in your own mind. Please don't respond to what I say on future pages, because I'm won't be taking the bait to enter into one of your delusional competitive discussions. 1 Replie(s)

NO, NO, NO, it is you who doesn't get the point. Yeah, sure Zen Buu can just snap people back into existence willy nilly as if it were no big deal, BUT the only reason Salagir had Zen Buu do that was because it was far more convenient to do so than to have to summon Porunga possibly more than once. The Dragon Balls were always an option, but since he had already established that a character exists who is more powerful than them, it was simply a better solution that would take up the least amount of pages possible just to have Zen Buu do it instead.

Zen Buu's existence doesn't invalidate the narrative tension of the story. I don't think you understand Zen Buu and what type of character he is to the story. Zen Buu is basically "the all powerful" self-insert character, but if said type of character was actually written well. Salagir has already established with the Majin Revolt that Zen Buu won't interfere and INSTA-STOP a major threat because Zen Buu wants to have fun and doing so would instantly end the entertainment. Zen Buu won't do anything that BREAKS the story because he like the reader wouldn't entertained if he did that.



Again, I never said he was omnipotent or even anywhere close. You completely ignored me. For all intents and purposes omnipotent doesn't need to be close to omnipotent. As I stated before, things can affect him, but he's so powerful that they won't last long enough to matter to him in the grand scheme of things. As for characters like Vegito and Broly, he's impressed by them for having raw power that is comparable to his own, but that doesn't matter because if it really came down to it, he could use his insanely OP magic too, which he didn't do when he fought against Vegito, Bra, and Gohan. As for being surprised and caught off-guard, now you're switching omnipotence out for omniscience. I never said Zen Buu was all knowing, so don't try to act like I did. 1 Replie(s)

Yes he is for all intents and purposes ominipotent. That means while there are things that can affect him in various way, they don't last for long enough to matter in the grand scheme of things. Sure, he's sealed away and yeah he lost his fight, BUT it doesn't matter outside him not continuing to the next round because it's been shown that he is in the process of quickly breaking out of being sealed away. The same thing applied to the situation with Gast sealing him away since for the sake of this discussion we're working under the assumption that the GSK's words aren't a deception. When Gast sealed him away, it didn't result in him being sent back to his own Universe, but instead he with help from GSK deceptively worked his way into a situation of remaining in the tournament at the cost of his fake imprisonment.

As for him being afraid of XXI, no you misunderstood why he was afraid. He was afraid of being sealed away. Now the reason wasn't because he would be truly imprisoned until someone released him, but instead because he has memories of the traumatic experience of being sealed away when he was too weak to break out of it on his own.





Do you not even realize what franchise this fan comic is a fan work of? Dragon Ball, a story that has literal wish granting orbs that can do pretty much the same thing, but just not to the same extent that Zen Buu can, but that's only because DBM has made Zen Buu be a character that is so powerful that his power far exceeds that of the Dragon Balls. If you want a story that has lasting permanent consequences, Dragon Ball and any fan work based off Dragon Ball is not for you my guy. 1 Replie(s)

Ugh, this potentially is gonna be a pain, but here I go... <--- my inner thoughts

Of course he is not truly omnipotent, but I think this is more a matter of phraseology. It's not that the GSK truly believes him to be some deity that has infinite power, but more so that he knows Zen Buu has so much power that for the sake of simplicity in phrasing it, it's far easier to say he's omnipotent because for all intents and purposes he is. And well when discussing such things, it's easy for someone discussing it to do the same thing that GSK is doing and use what's easier to say for the sake of simplicity.


As for him being able to do the Santa Buu thing if he had been truly free without having to pretend to be imprisoned, sure yeah of course he could have, BUT he couldn't have done it with a seemingly foolproof alibi that proves he didn't do it. 1 Replie(s)

I'm talking about you making an assumption based off the information GSK is giving in this current chapter. If there is no deception in GSK's words and Zen Buu is omnipotent, then I am likely correct in my assumption that Zen Buu could've escaped if he wanted to do so, but instead manipulated events with the help of GSK to pretend to be sealed in order to return to the previous status quo. If there is deception in GSK's words then you are correct. Now normally you should take what is being said at face value until proven otherwise, but this is a situation where we know there could be benefit to GSK lying to protect himself from arrest and if he's really completely hoodwinked by Zen Buu then there's benefit in both lying about Zen Buu potential and stalling for time for Zen Buu to escape. That is why I'm not yet saying that I'm correct based off what GSK has said about Zen Buu being omnipotent. This truly is a situation where we shall have to wait and see how the rest of current events unfold before we can determine which of us is correct in our assumptions. 1 Replie(s)

Aren't you also working off an assumption? Said assumption being that there is some amount of deception in GSK's words. Sure your claims are right if your assumption that he's being deceptive is correct. If there is deception in GSK's words then yeah if he didn't intervene and didn't let Zen Buu free, they could've either went back to U1 for replacement parts to fix the machine so he could've been sent back OR just manually returned him back to his own Universe. If there is no deception in GSK's words then Zen Buu wouldn't've been able to be sent back and he probably did plan to be fake sealed by GSK to return to the previous status quo. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. 1 Replie(s)

I agree with you there. Also when the artist includes characters that are similar to other characters like this, they're paying homage to a character they like and people shouldn't hate on that because that's actually a good thing. It's a shame that people take something good like that and twist it into something so terrible.



I guess it's good that you're not Saiyan that cuz if you were, you'd basically be Saiyan that Salagir is worse than himself and that would just be silly. XD LOL

Except he had control of the machine when sealed by Gast too. Remember they had issues sending Zen Buu back during both his rampage and there was still issues after he was sealed by Gast. Gast sealing Zen Buu didn't make the machine start working again. West Supreme Kai was even contemplating manually returning Zen Buu to U4 just like the Vargas tech girl is doing on this page, but then we got the whole thing with Zen Buu begging for a second chance and GSK deciding to take over Gast's sealing technique and only to let him out for his matches.

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This part moving on is only a theory, but knowing what we know, something tells me that Zen Buu could've broken free from Gast's sealing spell too in a very similar fashion to what he's doing now with Bibidi's sealing spell. It has since been revealed that Gast is nowhere near the tiers of power of Zen Buu, Vegito, or even Bra. That therefore makes it very suspect that said technique would've lasted all too long. Also we now know that Zen Buu can think and communicate in an extremely accelerated fashion when he wants to do so, though I imagine there probably might be some prerequisites for doing so like being calm so one can keep their thoughts organized and maintain control of said ability (not something I'd imagine can be done while enraged). That means Zen Buu probably had a very long time to think about what should be done in order for him to remain in the tournament after being sealed and whether or not breaking free and controlling the tournament in a tyrannical fashion was something he actually wanted to do. That's probably when he realized that it wouldn't be fun to control the tournament in a tyrannical fashion and that the only way to return to the previous status quo with him remaining was to apologize and for the GSK to pretend to keep him sealed except when it was his turn to fight. Also with everyone thinking he wasn't free to do what he wanted except during his matches it opened up the possibility for him to sneak around and do things like being Santa Buu, which to him is fun. 1 Replie(s)

I agree. I wish more discussions online could be more civilized.




I hope/want there to be something more to this, but sadly I also have my doubts the outcome of the fight will be overturned or altered as Vegito has no evidence at the moment to prove XXI cheated and even if Zen Buu escapes he probably won't be able to argue that the fight technically shouldn't've been declared over with some sorta explanation as to why the rules for the fight ending weren't actually satisfied as it appeared they had been.

I just hope that whatever happens next makes up for the disappointment of this fight ending almost as quickly as all the other XXI fights. As for what that might be, I also see some high chances of there being some sorta rampage happening soon whether it's from Vegito, Zen Buu, or in a surprise twist maybe both of them.

As for what I don't wanna see next, it's Zen Buu being sent back unless it's followed up by him returning by his own power. Zen Buu is too interesting a character to be removed from the story completely. I really do hope he breaks free soon and is able to stop them from sending him back, GSK ups his argument game and manages to convince them that Zen Buu shouldn't be sent back, OR he can come back on his own in the scenario that he does get sent back.

You make a good point with C18 example; it had been so long since I last read that fight that I hadn't remembered that. Not so sure about your Sun Wukong example as I feel that one could be more openly interpreted as him lying about being unconscious, BUT then again you don't need to prove yourself with two examples as one is sufficient enough. So I guess movement really is an issue here. He'd not only have to prove himself having been conscious, but actually moving, in which case I doubt he'd be able to prove both sufficiently enough to get the fight's outcome overturned, so yeah the only saving grace would be if Vegito could prove that XXI wasn't the one who spoke the incantation to seal Zen Buu and therefore XXI cheated by receiving outside help.

Prior to you providing the precedent of movement being necessary, I was just going by the rules established on the Chapter 4 cover page. Thanks for providing that example. I have no issue with being proven wrong and also it really does show that that page isn't all that helpful in providing the rules of the tournament. They really should provide a more updated/detailed explanation of the rules in a mini-comic and probably also on the Tournament Help page.

Oh and sorry about you having to reply to 2 of my comments. I overlooked your first comment and didn't notice it until I started scrolling up to look for one of your responses to someone else that I thought might be relevant to me responding to you. 1 Replie(s)

You'd be right if that was the issue here. It isn't though. Zen Buu isn't being hidden somewhere; the cocoon is Zen Buu. He wasn't declared to have lost because the referee's determined he'd left their sight for more than 30 seconds. They declared him to have lost because XXI argued he had been unconscious for more than 30 seconds. That means if he were to escape being sealed and transform back into himself then he could contest he wasn't unconscious and as evidence he could claim the dial moving proved he was consciously fighting against being sealed in that form. 1 Replie(s)

Actually the deciding factor of whether he'd be able to continue the fight would not be whether or not he was still moving, but would be whether or not he was still conscious. After all, he was declared the loser of the fight because XXI claimed he was no longer conscious and had been so for at least 30 seconds. If Zen Buu wanted to the continue the fight, he'd need to prove that the dial moving proved he wasn't unconscious and to be honest that argument might be pretty easy to make as he could say the dial moving was proof of him actively consciously fighting against being sealed. 2 Replie(s)

I'm pretty sure DBM has already done enough to show that his alignment has changed. Just look at his actions in both the U4 Special Chapters and the main chapters of the DBM tournament.

In the U4 Specials: Remember after absorbing Goku, he told Dende to revive everyone with the Dragon Balls. He also absorbed Kibito Kai and then Bulma (after she was revived by the DBs along with everyone else) showing that he hadn't exactly gone good. Years after those events, it was shown that he continually rejected Videls wish requests to him to bring back Gohan, but when Hoi came to free Tapion (but actually for the purposes of free Hirudegarn), he had no issue doing so despite knowing Hoi's intent and the chaos it would cause because it would be fun.

During the DBM tournament: He's rampaged when he didn't get his way for something like getting an XXI vs Vegito rematch. He's given people power-ups in-between rounds. He chose to do nothing during the Majin Rebellion because it was more fun to watch it unfold than to intervene to stop it, but when it was over had no issue completely undoing the damage caused by it. Good or bad, he will do either as long as it's benefits his interests.

Those things aren't everything he's done, but it's enough to establish what kinda character he is. He's definitely chaotic neutral.

Who exactly has been making these kinda comments? Nobody has done so on this page at least. As for him not having a countermeasure, I'd argue that he does seeing as the dial is moving and has done so quite a bit since he was sealed and nobody is outputting a ton of energy for it to do so like it should. This would indicate he's so powerful magically that he brute forcing his way out OR maybe within his confinement is chanting a counter-spell.

I'm pretty sure Zen Buu has manipulated GSK here into thinking they're friends. He's admitted that Zen Buu is extremely intelligent and if you pair that with the fact that Zen Buu has GSK as part of himself and therefore knows GSK inside and out then it wouldn't be all that hard for Zen Buu to say all the right things to get GSK on his side. It lines up perfectly with what he said when he started his rampage back on page 735 if you think about it.



If he's been manipulating the GSK from the start and just playing with his mind then it makes perfect sense that he saw himself in control from the very beginning since GSK is the head of those in control of the tournament. 1 Replie(s)

I hope Vegito's inquiry here leads to something like the victory of XXI being overturned or something like that because this just seems too anti-climactic to be true. Sure I know XXI has won all his fights so quickly, but Zen Buu is supposed to be so much better than all XXI's previous opponents that this seems like it happened too easily this time. Something is definitely fishy here! 1 Replie(s)

Finally!!! It feels like it's been a century in the waiting for this fight to happen.

Dayumn that new Uub outfit is Korbadical. I love it!!!

Sorry, but you're wrong. Cliffhangers always don't have to be resolved immediately. There are plenty a work of fiction that will leave you on a cliffhanger and then cover something else that either happened at the same time OR just something else entirely. It's called building up suspense and while a weekly anime/manga can get away with it working the way you described it supposedly correctly working, a series that releases a page every two or three days can't. Also if you paid attn to the comments section at all, you'd know that the main story will be continuing I believe on August 6th according to what Salagir said in response to someone asking on the last page.

As weekly anime/manga go, that's basically a cliffhanger that is followed by a week break and then picked back immediately in the next chapter/episode, so just sit back, relax, and enjoy the Vargas backstory OR do what others do and leave and return when the main story picks up. Also I'm glad that you've been a long term reader and don't mean what you've said in a mean/unconstructive manner, but that doesn't mean you are right about your constructive criticism either.

I guess, but it's also called a cliffhanger and when you release 3 pages a week, a good cliffhanger with a small special inbetween the cliffhanger and the reveal isn't a bad way at all to keep people on the edge of their seats. Remember this one is a very short special after all, so we probably won't have to wait all that long until the reveal is... well... ...REVEALED!

Okay gotta say that I'm loving this cover page. Those space racers are pretty Korbadical (an amalgam of my creation; it's the combination of Kor, badass, and radical).

Gotcha. Well I had heard from some members of the DBM Forums/Discord that may or may no longer be mods that all the DBM STAFF got at least 2 pages in advance and translators got more as needed. Though even if that's the case, I didn't think you'd abuse such a privilege anyways. I'm pretty sure I even said so in the quoted comment.

As for the rest of the comment, what do you think of my idea about Uub winning, but dying after he's been declared victor before the U1 Namekians have a chance to heal him?

Unless you're using some mod knowledge that I don't have (I don't think you'd abuse that authority), I have a feeling that this fight is gonna be Uub's victory, but he might die from his injuries before the Namekians can heal him. At least I hope he dies if he wins cuz I feel like that would just add more to his victory that he was willing to die until he was brought back in between rounds just so he could prove to Goku that he was ready to take on the mantle of Earth's champion and he would do everything in his power to defend Earth including dying if it was what it took. Also that would be a cool thing for them to have happen at least once in this tournament. After all if you get revived in between rounds, then you could die to win (win then die from your battle dmg ofc) and still continue on for the next round. 1 Replie(s)

Nothing against DSP27, but that Special looks like just about the most filler special we've ever gotten if those preview images are anything to go by and seeing as preview images at least give us some idea about what's going on in the Special, I'm gonna have to assume that it's super filler. Well at least it's super short apparently.

As for this page, holy shit, looks like Goku is about to lose though if he does I hope that Uub dies shortly after he is declared the winner, but before the Namekians have a chance to heal him. Nothing against Uub, but that seemed to be what his plan was all along and honestly I feel like it would cheapen his victory to have him not die afterwards. It's a heroic sacrifice that he seems to be aiming towards to show how dedicated he'd be to defending Earth and anyways the DBs can just revive him afterwards, so no harm no foul and that is why I think he's willing to go that far to win.



As the britwriter said, it's not Goku's style to do such a cheap thing to win a fight that has no stakes in regards to the Earth being threatened. Also even if he wanted to do that, where would he go that isn't technically out of bounds? Remember he has to lock onto an energy signature to use Instant Transmission unlike Vegito and the Kaioshin that can just teleport anywhere they can imagine.

I'm figuring that Uub doesn't care if this kills him as long as he can survive long enough to win the fight. He might be thinking about this as a means to show Goku the lengths he'd go to protect Earth after he graduates and Goku retires as Earth's champion. After all, he knows he'll be revived by the Dragon Balls before the next round, so he doesn't have to worry about death since death isn't permanent in this situation as long as the DBM tournament organizers have multiple sets of DBs.

I agree. Despite being a fan of her, I think against Gast is just the right time for her to lose especially now that we see her still emotionally traumatized from being Majinized. I feel like they could continue on with that and have her be too afraid to use her full power due to suffering PTSD from being brainwashed and that could lead to a victory for Gast. Then afterwards he could do his whole Dr Phil schtick once the fight is over and provide her with some therapy to help her try to get over it if only just a little.



I also concur. It definitely still is anyone's game. Uub is definitely showing he can strut his stuff and is worthy of being Goku's successor and U18 Earth's next champion.

Except this isn't exclusive to Buu. All the Z Fighters can do this. The anime doesn't give it a name as far as I'm aware, but the Wiki calls it Mimicry and I'm assuming it's probably because that i what one or more of the video games calls the ability.
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Even with Uub being the reincarnation of Kid Buu, I think that kinda passive magic is too far beyond him since while he still may have the soul of Kid Buu, he's still got a human body at the end of the day after all. Now maybe if he merged with Fat Buu like he did in GT then that would be a different story. And yes I know I just brought up GT, but honestly I think that little twist in GT wasn't bad and makes sense since Uub is a still a Buu after all even if it is one in a human form.

Fair enough. As for me if I need a Dragon Ball related laugh, I just play some video games with my best friend and eventually at some point he'll bust out the DBZA voices cuz they're great and work well in certain situations especially Mr Popo and Super Kami Guru during situations where we're destroying some monsters in Monster Hunter World.

Well if they're aware that there is debris flying towards them they could technically just create a Ki barrier around themselves or use their Ki to exert enough pressure around themselves that anything flying towards them would disintegrate before it even hit them. Or they could do any other number of things before the debris even reached their face like dodging, fire ki at it, etc.
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Damn great work as always Asura. Any chance we could get the original full-size image for that bottom part? Would be nice to see how it looks without the zoom-in of the attack covering the top part of it and maybe without the onomatopoeia too.

Is it just me or is it kinda cool to have my birthday sandwiched between 2 new page days? It's almost like a present from the DBM team even tho I know it isn't. Still kinda cool anyways. YAY me!!!

^hums Happy Birthday song to himself^

Damn great page and a simple one to boot. Man gotta love Asura's art. Good job with this page Asura and can't wait to see what you got in store for us comin' up! Keep up the good work!

With that look on Bra's face and knowing how Gast likes to play Dr Phil, I wouldn't be too surprised if Bra loses the fight against Gast cuz she's too scared of losing control. Though it could also just as well go the opposite if Gast plays Dr. Phil and gives her the much needed verbal bitchslapping she needs/deserves. I guess it all depends on how much Gast really wants to win the fight probably. If he really wants to win at all costs, it would be smarter for him to just let her stew in her self-pity and take the win. After all he could always play Dr Phil after the fight is over if he really wants to play Dr Phil. 1 Replie(s)

Here's my obligatory Abridged Popo edit. I saw the scene had elements fitting for it, so of course I was obligated to do it. Also sorry in advance for my terrible editing skills. I did the best I could especially considering I was only using MS Paint.

Again I don't think Ammar was Saiyan what he (she?) was Saiyan to shit on Bra. Maybe he doesn't like Bra as a character all that much, but that doesn't mean he still can't make a fair comparison between Bra and another character without it being a means to shit on Bra.

Also you call people stupid and petty for that, yet you straight up assume everything somebody says bad about Bra means they are trying to restart the Bra flame war. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It's no wonder many people prefer the English Forums and the English Forums Discord over the comments because at least there is some greater level of human decency in those places and rules that dictate that quality comes before quantity and other such rules that create a better environment to not only talk DBM in, but all subjects DB/DBGT/Super/etc and even other stuff too, but mostly DBM and DB-related stuff.

EDIT: Sorry mods if this violates the rules for mentioning the Forums and I guess also the rule you just addressed, but I felt this needed to be said. Please don't delete this. I think this needed to be said and also it's not all that bad. Hell back in the King4 days we included some of the mods straight up trolled King4 just to make a point about how shitty a user he was. If that was allowed to exist at least for some time, I feel like this which isn't anywhere close to that bad should be allowed to stay at least long enough for him to read it and maybe some others who should read it too. 2 Replie(s)

Awesome. I like this page a lot. It covers a lot, but it also doesn't feel rushed. Good job Salagir and friends.

Glad we're back to the main story. I had set an alarm to alert me to the return of the main story assuming the last chapter was as long as an average chapter (24 pages), but I accidentally overwrote it with something else, so I just checked today since I felt like it had been long enough and well lo-and-behold it has.

Great cover page, but I do gotta say that I'm a bit disappointed that we're getting a double special after only a single main story chapter that was preceded by 3 special chapters. I know that Salagir and Asura are busy making the main story and need to be ahead by a certain amount and all that, but still I really want to get back to the main story. Also I'm not all that invested in this U20 story, so it's making me all that more impatient to get back to the main story. Honestly I'm not the type to usually complain about these things, but I just felt like putting my thoughts on this matter in a comment this time. Also also I've never actually done this before with DBM, but I think I might come back in 2 months after this special is over.