Seems Grand Kaioshin became Zenbuu's biggest simp ever.

I bet he'd buy Zenbuu's bathwater and jarred farts.

By trapping him via the even more God like XXI

And then Buu got sent back with Babidi and Dabura to their own Universe after the Majin Takeover, no Fat Buu, no free food. 1 Replie(s)

Side of the neck =/= throat. So long she didn't hit the main artery he'll be fine.

"My boss, who is the strongest guy I know is getting his ass whooped, surely this must mean I am capable of beating three of them on my own, because that's how logic works." - Zangya. 2 Replie(s)

This would never have happened to the true Bojack

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People here questioning how she's capable of punching Bojack or doing damage to him, I'm sitting here wondering how the heck she sent him flying backwards when she punched downwards to him, from behind!

By all logic, she should have smacked him right down into the ground, not sent him flying backwards. 1 Replie(s)

Cover shows him clearly not being transformed, and as stated, when he is transformed his skin is white to signify the difference.

Ahh, my bad then, I was under the impression this was before their imprisonment within King Kai's planet.

So uh...where's the rest of Bojack's crew? Were they always just three here? 2 Replie(s)

If that's from the game's trailers then it's probably just Note, as if Bra would ever be a fighter in Heroes. 1 Replie(s)

Man, all these comments about this being out of character for Vegeta and that he'd never do this, yadda yadda, only ever read that one bit Cell Arc it seems. Cause the guy who allowed himself to be boosted by Babidi certainly would never use a dirty trick to win, nope, not at all. Vegeta's such an honorable fighter, he'd never use such dirty tricks, except when he does, and he's done it plenty of times. He's the very example of hypocrisy on that note.

If it is his regular Super Saiyan Form, he could have it Perfected/Full Power, in the manga when Goku and Gohan were in their Super Saiyan forms when they came out of the Room of Spirit and Time, Vegeta notes that he can't sense their ki and that they basically feel like their base forms. It wouldn't be unimaginable to think that Vegeta perfected his original Super Saiyan Form as well.

That's not actually teleporting, that's just super speed.
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I'd believe that, were it not for the fact that Goku explicitly states that Vegeta never lost control over the ki balls, meaning that he had them chase himself.



See, that's what I was saying, how the heck are those Vegeta's ki blasts when they are Cell's, that's a major mess up there.
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Errr...weren't they Cell's ki balls? Both Cells overwhelmed Vegeta's attack with their own and had their attack follow Vegeta, how the heck were they still Vegeta's? 2 Replie(s)

Because the shocked one is the clone and got subsequently killed from the blast he was shocked about.

Two Perfect Cells in the ring, two Perfect Cells.
He takes one down, blood all around, only one Perfect Cell in the ring.

"Uub. That was amazing."

Yeah Uub, so great that you chose to completely wreck your body and nearly kill yourself because you couldn't accept defeat in a friendly tournament. Worthy of praise I tell ya. Thank god for those healers huh? 4 Replie(s)

Double K.O!

This universe must suck if the Kaioshins are the strongest here then. 4 Replie(s)

I've been getting that Ducktales feeling since the two preview panels. I swear the ones in the right one looks like Glumgold and Scrooge

So....the blood on his mouth, chin and shoulder are just for show then? Goku's definitely wounded.
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Uub is gonna be in a pretty bad shape after this, he wasn't bleeding from his nose before using Kaioken Transcended (It literally started when he shouted Transcended as few pages back) and it seems to be getting worse.

Uub: Aight, I'm beaten, hurting and outmatched in this fight that isn't life or death. Lemme just stroke my ego and unleash this new and even more self-destructing version of an already potentially self destructing technique just so I can impress senpai and maybe die while trying.

Glad I am not the only one seeing this as Uub taking this waaaay too serious, it be an entirely different story if Uub had been with the crowd left behind at the Stadium during the Majin takeover and say...pulled this out against Bra. But in a standard fighting match like this? Eesh.

I don't see how Gotenks could possibly influence Buu so much. Buutenks was hardly like this due to Piccolo, adding in Gohan, Goku and Vegeta....Buu should have been a lot more serious. This feels horribly convenient just to have Broly flip out.

Reminder that the Sun got damaged and is about to go Supernova (page 1794), Vegetto pretty much left her to die.

Lol...she completely ignored everything he said, including Goten's death whom is her half brother and only focused on the fact that she's stronger than Gohan. 1 Replie(s)

Okay, that 4th panel is pretty damn great. 1 Replie(s)

Gohan was an idiot, he waited until the moment that Bra freed herself from being engulfed by Majin Buu. He should just have stabbed Buu and Bra both at the same time.

I am delighted that Bra literally pulled off the "teleports behind u" meme.

Daizenshuu 6 states that Lord Slug takes place shortly after Goku's arrival on Namek in the main timeline, so the mooks are probly around Ginyu Force levels, minus Ginyu himself

The Lord Slug movie was Toei's shot at showing Super Saiyan before it even happened in the manga, since the movie came out just before Goku slams Frieza with the Spirit Bomb in the manga, but since they got the colors wrong, it was turned into False/Pseudo Super Saiyan. Anime wise, the movie came out during the Frieza/Piccolo fight

The timeline is weird yeah, it's like they basically rip the power levels from the anime and slap them on the movie versions of the characters to make sure the characters don't seem weaker than their main anime counterparts. It gets even weirder when Shonen Jump claims that Goku used a Kaioken x100 to penetrate through Slug, that's twice as strong as Super Saiyan lol.
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Man....Senzu Beans are an even bigger crutch here than that they are in the main series.

Well sure, that's assuming that the spacepod would continue it's journey and be found, but I find this to be a tad unlikely as once Goku left his pod it served no purpose anymore and I kinda doubt it would be given any kind of attention after this entire fight, least of all to have it's coordinates noted down.

And then there's the fact that Trunks knew Goku would land there, meaning he was told that Goku landed there, not that his deserted spacepod landed there.


Oh no, you're completely spot on with that one as well. Bra having an answer for everything and countering everything is also very boring and, personally said, one of the reasons I dislike her character. Cold is, sadly, rapidly falling into that same catagory.

I had to reread Volume 12 for myself, but yes you're right. Trunks only mentioned that Goku is meant to beat them but nothing else really. And while yes, in DBM Trunks states that he would have had a hard time with Cold if he transformed into this form. And Piccolo even mentions about Cold's final form being close to Android 17 and 16, but we'll also have to keep in mind, that's Ginyu and we learned that Ginyu trained in that body...so we don't exactly know how much different the power level of the real Cold and Ginyu Cold is at that point.


Yeah, it's not so much the power gap that bothers me, but more that Cold seems to have an answer or counter for just about everything. He tanks Goku's punch and beats him down, he effortlessly kicks away Vegeta's attack, he instantly notices Piccolo charging an attack. It's very...well, I dare say..Mary Sueish right now.

As for the whole "Trunks said..." thing, yeah aside from my earlier comment within this post, there's also just other stuff that's kinda...weird about Trunks during Volume 12 that makes no sense.

See, we know Frieza and cold arrived on Earth first, being 3 hours ahead of Goku, and we always assumed that Goku was going to use Instant Transmission to get to Earth quickly (as shown in this special chapter), but there's a major issue with that....Trunks follows up on the coordinates given to him which pinpoint where Goku's spacepod will land like it did in the Main Timeline, and was completely surprised by Goku's comment about Instant Transmission. Meaning, Goku could never have used Instant Transmission in Trunks' timeline because Goku landed in his spacepod, which Trunks has coordinates off.

How can he have coordinates of the spacepod's landing spot if Goku used Instant Transmission, unless Goku never used it and landed 3 hours after Frieza. Neither of which makes any sense and no way how I try to spin it, there is no explanation for that and I will have to come to the conclusion that Toriyama had a brainfart when he came up with this all, because it's impossible.

I mean sure, but it's getting to a point where it becomes harder and harder to believe that the heroes can win.


Nah, that's his Final Form that he can't control, which isn't this form.


Don't see in how or why, it's a virus that originates on Earth and affects more people than just Goku, enough that they made a cure to it. Not to mention that Goku doesn't get/die from said heart virus up until a half year before the Androids arrive, that's about two and a half years after this even.

Welp, so much for that idea....kinda getting bored of this now, Trunks said Goku handled Frieza and Cold on his own, yet this special is making it look as Cold is going to be the big winner here with a response to everything they throw at him. 3 Replie(s)

...Again this feels disjointed, the last panel we saw Cold in, he was not even facing towards Goku or Piccolo and more looked like he was giving chase to Vegeta. Yet now he's suddenly charging over to Goku from out of nowhere?

I really love the art on these pages, but sometimes the actions really feels disjointed.

That's Ginyu Cold, he actually trained to get stronger, Ginyu Cold is much stronger than regular Cold, so that isn't really accurate. Not to mention you got the wrong page, you meant 412 most likely and Piccolo there is specifically referring to Cold's power in his final form.

Mm, as far as I know, the only form he couldn't keep control of was his 4th/true form, which he is not in right now.

Cold's reaction after effortlessly kicking away Vegeta's attacks seems very...uncharacteristic to me, it's a whole sudden mood change. Also, while I like the page overall, the first two panels are....eh, Cold looks weird in the first panel, and then it suddenly jumps to him gutpunching Vegeta in the second panel as if he was already there. Kinda disjointed that. 2 Replie(s)

Why is this hard to believe for people? Did everyone forget that Vegeta was literally going to blow up the planet back in the Saiyan Saga which resulted in the Kamehameha vs Galic Gun clash? This is the same exact deal honestly, don't know why this even surprises people. 2 Replie(s)

I think it's more of a "Why waste energy on a bunch of weaklings" rather than actually holding back or anything.

Also, Puar is already dead and Oolong was never around during this event.

I'm not sure why people are even thinking this fight will have anything to do with Goku's heart virus, I mean c'mon guys. Trunks stated that Goku dies from the heart virus about a half year before the Androids even arrive. That's 2 and half years after this fight, literally nothing from this fight has anything to do with Goku's heart virus.

Also...
@Michelrpg
There are real life diseases that don't claim lives until years down the line, think of stuff like cancer due to asbestos. So it's not unheard of to contract a virus that doesn't trigger until later.

@ the comments down below in the regular comment section

— Kaioken, why are people thinking he's going to use this? It's been well established that Goku could not handle the strain of both SSJ and KK so why would that be any different now?

— Kaioken leading into his heart problems, whut? Goku suffered from a heart virus and doesn't get it until much later, he dies about 6 months before the Androids popped up. Kaioken has literally nothing to do with that.

— Piccolo missing a finger, he's not actually. Manga Piccolo always had four fingers, Anime Piccolo has five fingers.

— Goku's missing hand, it's hidden by the ripped piece of shirt he's holding, if you look close, you can see wrist band still.

@Darius
It's not like Cold cares that much, he was even less fight happy when he faced Trunks.

@FLStyle
Frieza honestly did not increase height that much between his 2nd and 3rd form, so it's unlikely Cold got that much bigger.

Saiyan Warriors were hardly honorable or noble, they went by the survival of the fittest. Vegeta didn't care about Raditz's death cause he was a weakling, and with Nappa, he offed him because Nappa had lost and was thus weak in his eyes, not befitting the Elite Warrior that he was. He didn't care about the other Saiyans cause they were dead and he was alive, the elite Saiyan that survived. His pride was a twisted one, but it was still pride.

Besides, Saiyan Pride isn't anything honorable or noble, it's about surviving and being the strongest, which is also where the whole Zenkai deal comes from, surviving and growing stronger. And sure, there's a substantial bit of arrogance and hypocrisy there, but that's also part of being a Saiyan honestly, they were never portrayed as honorable or noble warriors. I mean heck, their whole casting system shows that, if you were low class you were nothing, only Elites were something which is what Vegeta was and practically bled out.

@Michelrpg
Errr...Vegeta always gave a crap about Saiyan Pride, it's like...the majority of his entire character.

Seems Goku learned from his mistakes on Namek and went to one-shot Frieza before he could do his "Five Minutes" spiel again.

@Moth
Not that surprising honestly, he caught Frieza completely off guard. Same like when Piccolo kicked him in the head when Goku was charging the Spirit Bomb.

@Beat-kun
While true, Gohan should be larger here, this is 4 year old tiny, he's more than half Frieza's height. This is more of a height difference between Gohan and 2nd Form Frieza.

Is it me or is Gohan looking rather...tiny here? I know he was small back in the Frieza arc but he looks too small here IMO.