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Está es la primera traducción con IA, por favor verifiquen que esté completo el texto y las imágenes estén todas presentes, cualquier corrección me la pueden reportar por aquí o el Discord, mañana leeré el texto, estoy publicando esto para que lo evalúen, vamos a tratar de poner la novela al día ^^

Los capitulos del 130 al 137 no tienen traducción.

Que IA usaste Saso? La verdad si puede mejorar mucho, algunas palabras como “ ¡Si lograba captar una de esas potencias, podría traer a todo el mundo en un instante!” cambiarlas a : ¡si lograba captar una de esas energias, podria teletransportar a todos de vuelta en un instante! Y como esa hay unas varias, tambien hay algunas partes que siguen en francés.

Si quieres puedo intentar con mi CHATGPT plus, tengo una conversación especifica donde hago cosas de dragon ball, alomejor ya conoce bien como expresarse:

Asi se traduce sin tener que modificarlo desde la novela en frances a español, es solo el primer parrafo:

Mientras tanto, en el otro extremo del universo.
Los participantes de los distintos universos que habían sido apartados por la magia de Babidi estaban haciendo todo lo posible por localizar la posición de la arena y acudir en ayuda de sus compañeros cuanto antes.
Son Goku se concentraba intensamente en detectar las energías más poderosas que pudieran estar presentes: Son Gohan, Son Bra, Cell, incluso Majin Buu… Si conseguía captar una de esas presencias, ¡podría llevar a todos de vuelta en un instante!
Pero el universo era increíblemente vasto, y tenía que explorar cada rincón del espacio, al límite de su capacidad de percepción.

Por su parte, Vegetto pensaba lo mismo. La tarea era extremadamente complicada, porque no sabía dónde se encontraban. Cuando salió del asteroide tras su derrota, pudo regresar porque conocía el destino y el camino. Pero ahora tenía que volver a usar la técnica del teletransporte clásico.
Nadie había notado su poder descomunal cuando se transformó en Super Saiyan 3 en el espacio, frente a Ginyu. ¿Cómo se suponía que iba a localizar los niveles de energía tan bajos de sus compañeros en una inmensidad así?
Solo Son Gohan y Son Bra podrían llamar su atención… y aún así, no era seguro. 2 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 20 Maj

Majin Wasabi escribió: Saso, alguna vez retomaran la Novela en español? En ingles acaba de continuar y es una perspectiva mucho mas completa se todo lo que va pasando en la historia.
Justamente ayer pregunté en el Discord pero nadie se ofreció, personalmente ya con todos los cómics que mantengo en español y ahora las correcciones de francés a inglés tengo de sobra, pero en efecto, yo la leí en francés hace días cuando salió, de hecho, si alguien tiene los capitulos del 146 al 166 traducidos y me guía a ellos, los puedo subir, creo recordar que Fran traujo algunos.
Edit:Se me ocurre algo, podría traducir todo con IA y luego en los comentarios cada persona va corrigiendo lo que vea mal y yo voy editando hasta que quede bien, la novela de todos.

Yo encantado de ayudar Saso solo dime como y donde :) , yo tambien hablo buen ingles para poder comparar la traduccion del IA, con la version inglesa, con la francesa que es la original ahi si no podria hacer mucho. 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 20 Maj

Saso, alguna vez retomaran la Novela en español? En ingles acaba de continuar y es una perspectiva mucho mas completa se todo lo que va pasando en la historia. 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 20 Maj

Finally! This makes me so happy.
“Vegeta might soon find himself unable to get rid of the immortal... who could quickly surpass him. He’d become a real threat, the Emperor had to scheme a means to rid himself of the clown for good.”
That explains why he accepted XXI offer so easily, he is getting worried about Kakarottos improvement and immorality.

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Majin Wasabi 20 Maj

juan escribió: Hay algo que no me cierra para nada. Por qué el XXI podría viajar entre universos si zen boo que en teoría tiene el poder de las esferas o superior no puede? No debería ser algo que supere sus poderes por consiguiente?
Probablemente el deseo sería que lo haga nativo del U1 para a continuación robarse o pedir integrar la tecnología de viaje entre universos en su cuerpo.

Tambien abre la pregunta: Y que evita a ZenBuu desear para si mismo ser nativo del u1

Majin Wasabi 18 Maj

He dont need to control nobody this villans are rotten to the core, they’ll gladly accept his request. Bringing evil villians to a multiversal tournament wasn’t the brightest idea. 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 18 Maj

“Satiafacernos”.
Tiene sentido, era de esperarse, eso de llevar villanos podridos del alma no era gran idea para un torneo multiversal 1 Replie(s)

Damian Qualshy was saying:

Majin Wasabi 17 Maj

Marduk was saying:

El salseo sobre forofgold está potente XDD, en fin

Hablando sobre el reclutamiento de XXI, quitando a Vegetto que siempre hay baiteo con lo que va a hacer que pierda su cabeza, los tops que tendría serian este vegeta U13, Coldnyu del u8 y posiblemente cell y sus cell jrs...de ahi en segunda linea kakarotto, freezer, cooler y A17 y A18...y si nappa tendra su powerup, puede que los soldados tochos del ejercito de los demonios del frio lo tendrán, aunque lo veria ya innecesario, teniendo a sus jefes le basta

De ahi pueden salir algunos versus interesantes dependiendo del aumento de poder

Si mal no recuerdo en las visiones de Bardock Goku se estaba aliando con 1 Cell Jr. entonces yo diria que Cell en todo caso, volveria a no dejarse manipular y estará del lado de los buenos (o del lado donde le convenga o no tenga que ser manipulado por nadie)

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Majin Wasabi 17 Maj

(immortality aside, Zamasu should be Buuhan level and he was never a real threat)

Zamasu in his Kai body? Saying he is Buuhan lvl is a lot. I think he es at best perfect cell lvl (not super perfect cell). And for a Kaioshin that’s actually impressive. 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 16 Maj

Reypirata was saying:

Yo Mismo Quien Si No escribió: Ya sabemos de donde sale el Cold de ojos negros de la paigna de Saso.

De favor si ponen esas imagenes escóndanlas como spoilers. En lo personal odio ver adelantos o spoilers de cualquier tipo, por eso no me regrese a ver la página que comentaron por que queria evitar ver algo que me diera algun tipo de spoiler. Me gusta leer e irme sorprendiendo.

Forocoches was saying:

Eh!!

existe la posibilidad de que el Vegetto que vemos en las visiones sea formado por Vegeta y Kakaroto, aunque es poco probable ya que aún asi lo fuera faltaría explicar su indumentaria

Dudo que lo sea ya que Bra se refiere a el como su Papá y tiene las ropas de Goku y Vegeta mezcladas.

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Majin Wasabi 16 Maj

Sigma57f was saying:

Oooh... Eso explica aquella página filtrada

juan was saying:

Increíble la pag filtrada todo cuadra

Se refieren a la de I’K’L? Si si explíquenme por que sigo sin entenderla yo jaja,
No entiendo como le convendria a XXI mostrarle sus recuerdos al Kaio del Sur 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 14 Maj

mitzu was saying:

no tiene sentido de que las esferas puedan conceder el viajar entre universos, si Zenbu no ha podido

Alomejor todo esta en como pida el deseo, tendremos que esperar a ver que pasa

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Majin Wasabi 11 Maj

Es lindo tenerte por aquí traduciendo los comentarios, gracias :), buenas teorías como siempre.

Gracias Saso, me gusta participar en ambos idiomas

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Majin Wasabi 11 Maj

Lo que no entiendo es:

— ¿Por qué el Kaio del Sur mataría al Kaio Shin anciano? Ese comportamiento me parece totalmente fuera de lugar. Como organizador, bien pudo simplemente pedir que lo regresaran a su universo, sin necesidad de actuar con tanta violencia.
— ¿Qué gana XXI mostrando esto a los saiyajin? Ya los había matado, y ellos no estaban haciendo nada al respecto. ¿Cuál es la necesidad de decirles ahora? Lo único que logró fue poner a Kakarotto en su contra, y posiblemente también a Vegeta, que seguramente no verá con buenos ojos que alguien más haga "justicia" por él.

Mi teoría es que el Kaio del Sur no los mató, y en realidad está intentando manipular a estos saiyajin de alguna manera. Tal vez está contando con que el loco de Kakarotto reaccione con violencia y haga una estupidez, lo que obligaría a los organizadores a expulsar a todos los del universo 13, incluido Raditz, y así le quitaría otra herramienta al anciano Kaio Shin. 2 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 11 Maj

What I don’t understand is:

— Why would the South Kai kill the Old Kaioshin? That behavior seems completely out of character. As an organizer, he could’ve just requested that he be sent back to his universe — there was no need to act so violently.
— What does XXI gain by showing this to the Saiyans? He had already killed them, and they weren’t doing anything about it. What’s the point in telling them now? All he did was turn Kakarotto against him, and possibly Vegeta too, who likely won’t appreciate someone else delivering “justice” on his behalf.

My theory is that the South Kai didn’t actually kill them, and he’s trying to manipulate the Saiyans somehow. Maybe he’s counting on crazy Kakarotto to snap and do something reckless, forcing the organizers to send everyone from Universe 13 back — including Raditz — taking away yet another tool from the Old Kai.

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Majin Wasabi 5 Maj

Daiko was saying:

Majin Wasabi was saying: This isn’t the calm and emotionally balanced Vegetto people might expect from U18 — this is a fusion with a Vegeta who never had his moment of growth against Kid Buu.Vegeta still had growth and to pretend it was solely the Kid Buu moment is an overstatement since that only pertained to his relationship dynamic with Goku. Vegeta sacrificed his pride and threw away the hurt he felt from being thoroughly left behind when he heard how the people he cared about were absorbed or eaten by Buu. The extremes he went to just to gain enough power to equal SS2 Goku were significant but that was caused by his hurt ego and pride. That same ego and pride was thrown away because, ultimately, he chose to care for his family more than himself.

This all was in thanks to Goku who has been a great positive influence on him. Ultimately, DBM Vegetto forgets that influence entirely. It forgets how Vegeta slowly but surely was becoming his best self because of Goku and his family. Being fused with Goku shouldn't bring Goku's aspects down to ultimately create a worse person but uplift the better qualities of Vegeta because that's how their personalities played off of each other. Goku gained a sense of pride and respect for his heritage because of Vegeta and Vegeta, through attempting to catch up to Goku, started mimicking him(intentionally or not) by gaining a family and ultimately grew to care for them.

DBM says "Nah, what if he bad parent and evil doh?" Vegetto ultimately gained all the worst qualities of both of them and very little of the good despite the opposite being true in the manga. 10 years would only improve them, not degrade them. Vegetto entirely lacks any drive to self betterment with both his personality and his own prowess. Goku got stronger for the love of it. Vegeta wanted to be the strongest AND to surpass Goku, not JUST to surpass him.

Worse yet, DBM presents Bra in a sympathetic light by having everyone step in for her and praise her DESPITE the fact she's ACTUALLY murdered family and has only recently shown any remorse for her behavior yet somehow Vegetto keeps being presented as the bad guy on an inevitable path to corruption.

I know it's a matter of opinion but I do think it's kind of a disingenuous interpretation of Vegetto considering Vegeta was hours away at best from his full emotional growth. Being fused with Goku would hasten that if anything.

I get where you’re coming from, and I agree that Vegeta’s development in the original story is meaningful, especially his gradual growth through family bonds and Goku’s influence. But that’s exactly the point: in DBM, that growth was interrupted.

This Vegetto was born before Vegeta’s final moment of humility during the Kid Buu fight. That emotional closure never happened in this timeline. Vegetto inherited a version of Vegeta who still struggled with pride, control, and self-worth. Combine that with the pressure of being the strongest, having no true rival, carrying impossible expectations, and even the physical toll of being a fusion-born Saiyan, like his growing dependency on senzu beans just to function properly, and you get someone who slowly begins to fracture.

Early on, he did show signs of balance. He was playful, kind, even joyful. But over time, that faded. Not because the writing forgot who he is, but because we’ve had over ten years of real-world story development showing how the weight of perfection slowly broke him down. That’s not regression, it’s long-term deterioration under constant stress.

Fusion should elevate both parts, sure. But only if both parts were emotionally whole. This fusion wasn’t. One side never got closure, and the other wasn’t enough to keep it all together. And while Goku’s influence matters, it’s not some magic fix for years of internal conflict. And honestly, I feel like even Goku, if he had no rival and no one to push him, would eventually become bored, incomplete, maybe even lost in his own way.

As for Bra, it’s not that she’s excused. It’s just that Vegetto’s failures are magnified because he’s supposed to be better. That tension is part of what makes him interesting. He’s not just falling apart, he knows it, and that makes it hit harder.

In the end, it’s not “Vegetto bad lol.” It’s Vegetto crumbling under pressure he never really learned how to process…. Or thats just how I see it and how I imagine Salagir is writing it. 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 4 Maj

Uub empezó a entrenar tras su derrota ante Goku, en principio lleva una noche o un día entrenando.
No, no creo que llevará días entre Goku vs Uub y XXI vs Zen Buu, o si?

Recuerda que la dimension donde esta Uub el tiempo transcurre mas lento, entonces debe llevar ya muchisimo tiempo ahi metido.

Majin Wasabi 4 Maj

Joey21 was saying:

The only way I will enjoy it is if he isn't used as a pure puppet. Vegetto must have a genuine snap and not
get fully controlled, or absorbed. If that’s the case, then it’s clear this is just DB subversion like GoT did to John Snow, mixed in with the authors love for Bra. They have the potential to give him a good redemption arc, if they stick the landing.

I agree with you 100% I would absolute hate if Vegetto snaping isn’t really because of all this years of building his anger. I would feel like I wasted all these years reading for the moment it finally happened.

Majin Wasabi 4 Maj

Daiko was saying:

The guy was literally willing to risk it all in an attempt to save his friends and family on his debut but DBM just kind of made him a whiney brat who loses most of the time and thinks about killing his family just to get a rise out of Gohan.

Thats because he was just recently born in his fight with Buu, and was in full control.
This isn’t the calm and emotionally balanced Vegetto people might expect from U18 — this is a fusion with a Vegeta who never had his moment of growth against Kid Buu. He’s still full of pride and ego, and that shapes who Vegetto is in this universe. And yeah, some say he feels more like Vegeta than Goku, but early on he did show Goku’s traits too — he was playful, joking around while eating, and kind. But after 10+ years (for us readers) of constant pressure, frustration, and everything he’s been through (before and during the tournament), it’s the Vegeta side that’s finally exploding. Personally, I like it — and even if others don’t, it still makes sense. I want him to kick everyone’s ass really. 2 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 4 Maj

Si! Ya callate y pegale!

Fuera de broma, yo digo que aqui es cuando XXI le ofrece algo para curarse a Vegito, dudo mucho que lo controle, si no todos estos años de humillar a Vegito y acumulando su enojo siento que serán desperdiciados. 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 4 Maj

So XXI entered Vegetto’s room? I’m confident instead of fighting Vegetto hes going to offer some senzus or some kind recovery spell 2 Replie(s)

sebastapia134 was saying:

Majin Wasabi 3 Maj

Salagir was saying:

Whaaah. This page was extremely misunderstood. Maybe one of the most misunderstood pages in DBM.
It's obviously my fault for not telling it right, but I'm on my ass that it fell so FAR short of the mark.

This page contains two revelations.
1. it explains why Vegetto ignored Son Bra when she tried to talk to him. Speculation was rife on this page and it was great. Here comes the explanation, almost no reaction.
Probably my fault: just redoing the "hang on" panel wasn't enough, maybe I should have added a panel copying Vegetto walking towards the corridor, to add some context. My fault for wanting to make as few panels as possible.
2. The Old Kaioshin reveals, quite astonished himself, that Vegetto is suddenly weaker! He felt it while he was having this privileged telepathic contact. It's a surprise for him and the reader. No, he doesn't provoke it.
It's true that if you read the text out loud, depending on the tone, the last two bubbles could come across as roast, or as a surprising discovery. That's why you have to be careful about what you write on the Internet - you never know what tone it's going to be read in!
My mistake: the old man in the last panel may not look surprised enough, and the fact that he's clenching his teeth may show him to be aggressive. I should have thought of that and asked for changes.

Honestly, it really can be misinterpreted. Just a couple of sweat drops and some surprise lines would’ve better conveyed the reaction — and changing 'You’re weak!!!' to 'You’re weak?!' could still be done. A lot of readers don’t check the comments, and the next page probably won’t expand on this moment, so a small tweak like that could help avoid confusion for those who haven’t read it yet.

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Majin Wasabi 1 Maj

¿Soy el único que piensa que todo esto arruina un poco la historia? Ahora en el combate con Goku todos van a estar pendientes de lo que XXI va a hacer y cualquier cosa extraña que pase se sabrá que es él. En el combate con Gast todos estábamos en los comentarios teorizando qué iba a pasar si escuchaban lo que pasó dentro del humo, si algún personaje más se daría cuenta... era interesante ver como Yamcha, Zen Buu, Vegetto intuían por su propia inteligencia que algo iba mal con XXI pero ahora se los dijeron a todos y listo

La cosa es que XXI sigue siendo muy impredecible, peligroso y lo peor, muy inteligente. Entonces nunca sabes que va a hacer, entonces yo por mi parte no puedo esperar al combate y siendo honesto me siento preocupado por Goku, si se llega a ver en la situación que estuvo Gast, seria una imagen que me dejaria traumado de por vida.

Majin Wasabi 30 April

Naga was saying:

Increíble, unos años después se confirma la teoría del Varga malo, nunca pense que lo canonizarian

Ya se sabia! Es el mismo que Babidi manipulo…(Page 1104) 1 Replie(s)

happywarrior99 was saying:

Majin Wasabi 30 April

tThe screaming white eyed anthropomorphic canid from page 1104 means that U5 XXI (or someone else) already knew that spell or a similar spell during the events of the U18 Goku vs U8 Frieza fight.

I didn’t understand your comment I’m sorry, can you explain what you said?

Majin Wasabi 30 April

Soy yo o ese Varga tiene las sombras bajo los ojos que tienen los controlados por Babidi?
Que tal si el ultimo deseo de XXI es conocer el hechizo de Babidi para controlar a ese específico Varga y asi asegurar que despues de derrotar a Goku no lo puedan enviar de vuelta a su universo.
Eso o deseo el poder de I’K’L de detener el tiempo (Page 2383)

Majin Wasabi 30 April

Maybe his wish was to know Babidi’s Spell?
So he can control that specific Varga, that way he can make sure hes not send back to his universe

WadeeMeenie was saying:

Wow! I guess Vegito will want a power up, XXI in exchange will say "Prevent them from sending me back to my Universe" then Bardocks Vision will come true

I don’t think Vegetto would accept a power-up — it’d be out of character, not to mention he’d look like a complete hypocrite after that whole tirade and trying to kill Bra for doing the same thing. But I do think XXI might convince him to play along somehow. As always, you can't fully trust Saiyans — especially Goku or Vegeta — and even less a fusion of the two. That’s ego, pride, and stubbornness multiplied by two. 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 29 April

Eddboy was saying:

DrewSaga was saying: Eddboy was saying: …question.

Gast literally lost to XXI because XXI summoned Janemba. What would happen if XXI didn't have Janemba?

Gast literally lost because XXI was going to eat him and he forfeited. Honestly, idk why Janemba was even there. From their fight, Gast had no options once trapped. We don’t know enough about XXI to know why he’s relying on dragon balls, why he’s using different methods instead of his clearly superior power. Hopefully it makes sense in 5 years.

Why do you believe Janemba made no difference? XXI himself said he barely defeated Gast. Even though it looked like XXI ran through Gast, Janemba did drain his stamina and mana. Gast wasn’t even able to heal himself after beating Janemba — he needed a Namekian to help him recover a bit. He used up all his tricks against Janemba, including most (if not all) of his magical ones, which probably drained a good amount of his mana. I don’t think he can just spam his magic endlessly — there’s a reason he used ZenBuu’s Dark Lightning spell against Janemba but didn’t even try it on XXI.

Not saying Gast would have defeated XXI, but he would’ve made it a lot harder. Also, Gast was caught off guard by everything XXI did. If they fought again, Gast would be way more prepared (not saying he’d win, though). In the end, Janemba clearly played a key role in making Gast easier to beat — just like XXI himself said, he only won “easily” because of that.

Majin Wasabi 28 April

Majin Wasabi escribió: Saso escribió: Coincido en todo, incluso en lo de IKL, si, sirve para saber a qué hora exacta transcurre el flashback, pero poco más xD

Lo que me llama la atención es por qué Vellet piensa que Vegetto aceptaría sin rechistar, en su universo tuvo diferencias con el viejo Kaioshin y eso lo sabemos.
Tuvieron sus diferencias pero si son aliados, Vegito sabe que si el anciano lo dice debe ser cierto, pero no significa que vaya a hacerle caso e intentar ir a destruirlo sin antes preguntarle directamente a XXI si es verdad lo que dice.
Estoy seguro que Vegito mas que preocuparse se va a emocionar
Veremos esas reacciones pronto, ahora, acabo de comentar algo interesante en la sección inglesa.

Tal vez Gast, esté deprimido por haber perdido su deseo, o tal vez, sea tan complaciente con XXI porque este le ofreció uno de sus deseos, sin embargo, esto no es coherente, si Gast lograra descalificar o detener a XXI, automáticamente la final sería entre el y Goku, independientemente del resultado, el obtendría su deseo pues Goku solo tiene uso para uno de ellos (U19).

Por tanto, un escritor como Salagir que nos tiene acostumbrados a las mejores historias de DBM, probablemente de una explicación o flashback para esto, similar a lo que ocurrió con Cell y Phipsil en su día.

Creo que todos en todos los idiomas preferimos creer esto último, antes que un hueco argumental por el bien de la trama, sobre todo cuando tienes tantísimo margen para arreglarlo sobre la marcha incluso si lo era en un principio.

Me gusta tu teoria, si me parece muy rara la forma de actuar de Gast se vio muy raro cuando termino la pelea, no nos dieron ni una reflexion de Gast ni ninguna reacción a XXI, solo se cura se para y se va a descansar todo fue muy anti climático.

Majin Wasabi 28 April

Coincido en todo, incluso en lo de IKL, si, sirve para saber a qué hora exacta transcurre el flashback, pero poco más xD

Lo que me llama la atención es por qué Vellet piensa que Vegetto aceptaría sin rechistar, en su universo tuvo diferencias con el viejo Kaioshin y eso lo sabemos.

Tuvieron sus diferencias pero si son aliados, Vegito sabe que si el anciano lo dice debe ser cierto, pero no significa que vaya a hacerle caso e intentar ir a destruirlo sin antes preguntarle directamente a XXI si es verdad lo que dice.
Estoy seguro que Vegito mas que preocuparse se va a emocionar 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 27 April

Vellett escribió: Y ahora le pide ayuda a vegito y accede sin dudar
Majin Wasabi escribió: Mas que ayudar, siento que Vegito ira a preguntar directamente a XXI que le diga sus verdaderas intenciones, su curiosidad no aguantara las ganas de ir a encararlo directamente, la cosa es que le dira XXI dudo mucho que simplemente le cuente todo.
¿Qué los lleva a pensar eso?

por que Vegito estaba ignorando por completo a Bra, seguramente por que estaba escuchando al Kaio Shin Anciano, y siento que al final solo hablo con el (XXI) por que en la entrega de premios regreso a recibir su trofeo, dando a entender que no pasaron de una conversación

Algo que sigo sin entender es la primera pagina de este capitulo con I’K’L. 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 27 April

Mas que ayudar, siento que Vegito ira a preguntar directamente a XXI que le diga sus verdaderas intenciones, su curiosidad no aguantara las ganas de ir a encararlo directamente, la cosa es que le dira XXI dudo mucho que simplemente le cuente todo. 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 27 April

Raygwyn14 was saying:

Se echa de menos y mucho a zen bu hubiese actuado sin dudarlo contra XXI de alguna manera rara pero lo hubiese hecho

No lo se ZenBuu era muy impredecible, alomejor hubiera dejado que XXI haga su plan para ver que pasa y ya, pensando que despues puede solucionar todo, ademas el tambien era fiel creyente de que el torneo debía continuar pase lo que pase.
Edit: ademas recuerdo que el Gran Kaioshin gordo dijo que el ya sabia quien era, entonces por default Zen Buu tambien debio enterarse quien era despues de su pelea, si el gordo sabia Buu también, esos 2 se platicaban todo

Algo que no me cuadra es por que en el mini comic Goku menciona que XXI no parece ser mal tipo, cuando el Anciano Kaio ya le advirtió y el conoce al anciano deberia creerle aunque sea un poco 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 27 April

I knew it! Vegetto is going to be the only one curious enough to go straight up and ask XXI what his intentions are.

I do like that extra motivation, Goku is getting to try his absolute hardest to win

Damian Qualshy was saying:

Majin Wasabi 25 April

My wild guess is that Old Kai will explain the situation to Vegetto, and that’s why he went to see XXI after Gast’s fight. I remember him ignoring Bra , maybe because he was talking telepathically with the Kai. 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 25 April

Darth-Hottie was saying:

Un momento. Esas salas interiores bloquean la detección de Ki. ¿Cómo puede el anciano Kaio Shin comunicarse telepáticamente buscando con quien comunicarse si no puede detectar su energía?

De la misma manera que babidi pudo controlar a todos desde su apartamento 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 24 April

solwitar was saying:

Majin Wasabi was saying: They should start getting serious, i dont think nappa ki dropped, he just lost an arm

Losing an arm and bleeding out in middle of battle seems pretty serious unless you are Namekian, Cell or Buu.

You might be right…

Oh my, Krillin missed! Even in fanmangas Kienzan is not useful!

It seem to me like he managed to deflect the attack with a swat, but still got his arm cut while doing it… so it kind of work? 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 24 April

Raygwyn14 was saying:

El krilin original tenía mejor puntería o nappa aquí sí se movió aunque vegeta no le haya dicho nada. Los guerreros Z estarán al nivel de nappa o por encima.

Dimaneitorcomics was saying:

Aquí me faltan viñetas... Se supone que en el manga original Nappa va a recibir la tecnica, Vegeta le avisa y Nappa lo esquiva en el último segundo.

¿Aqui iba a recibirlo pero Krilin es tan torpe que ha fallado? ¿Nappa a decidido por su cuenta en el ultimo momento esquivarlo y ha perdido un brazo?

Parece que logro desviar el ataque con un manotazo , pero logro cortarle el brazo mientras lo desviaba 2 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 24 April

They should start getting serious, i dont think nappa ki dropped, he just lost an arm 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 24 April

El viernes todas tus preguntas estarán respondidas.

Esto cuenta como spoiler? 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 20 April

Gohan tuvo un flashback de vietnam escuchando a Goku decir eso

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Majin Wasabi 19 April

Claro pero aquí vió el combate con Gast, teóricamente pudo medir su poder en base a que derrotó con facilidad a alguien muy superior a el(sin mencionar que invocó a Janemba, teóricamente superior a Goku aswell).

Si pero Goku no es Gast, el personaje de Goku es basicamente alguien que vulgarmente diciendolo se exita cuando sabe que alguien es mas fuerte que el, cada vez que conoce a alguien que es extremadamente fuerte, su primer pensamiento es pelear con el. Goku no es ningun cobarde

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Majin Wasabi 18 April

Si peleo con el y si intento ganarle por algo le revento la cara con kamehameha teletransportado ya despues se rindio

JawarBall was saying:

Majin Wasabi escribió: Sé que no es la versión oficial, pero la verdad no me imagino a Goku actuando así.es verdad que Goku no es mal perdedor como Vegeta ni se tomaría la derrota tan personal, pero Goku sigue siendo muuuy orgulloso y ridículamente competitivo. No lo imagino rindiéndose sin antes darlo todo.

No sé de qué Vegeta hablas, sin duda no es del Universo 18
Tremendo personaje, y brutal su desarrollo
No me lo imagino haciendo berrinche si hubiera perdido

Te parece que vegeta no odia perder? el del u18 alomejor no te la paso, tiene bastante desarrollo de personaje, pero el vegeta regular siempre hace berrinches cuando pierde 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 18 April

Bubbles was saying:

iron leaf was saying: Oh, and who still remembers the name of the U10 Saiyan without looking it up? ;)
Mahissu, Vegeta and Baddack.

That’s impressive

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Majin Wasabi 18 April

Sé que no es la versión oficial, pero la verdad no me imagino a Goku actuando así.es verdad que Goku no es mal perdedor como Vegeta ni se tomaría la derrota tan personal, pero Goku sigue siendo muuuy orgulloso y ridículamente competitivo. No lo imagino rindiéndose sin antes darlo todo. 2 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 18 April

Day 2 of asking for Princess Vegeta avatars

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Majin Wasabi 17 April

Did Trunks just snitch on his mother? Now she's on Black's top hit list

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Majin Wasabi 17 April

Para que llevo a Mai y luego decirle que corra y se esconda y además le cuenta todo a Black y le chismea que su mamá puede hacer máquinas del tiempo poniéndola en peligro… este Trunks es un bocón 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 16 April

It would be Gast’s strongest opponent so far, so he should be at least somewhat impressed that a mere human was able to create something that powerful.

Bunga, I’ve got to say. I really like how you draw these characters.

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Majin Wasabi 15 April

Trunks seriously needs to stop yapping.
don’t forget to mention your cool new transformation while you’re at it.

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Majin Wasabi 13 April

Thats a nice cover

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Majin Wasabi 12 April

That means Gohan(Nasu) vs Tien? That’ll be good

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Majin Wasabi 11 April

No importa el universo, Cell perfecto siempre sera guapo

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Majin Wasabi 11 April

Still a handsome boy

Bunga was saying:

Hello there!
Hope you're enjoying this chapter so far!

So, some notes I would like to add on this Perfect Cell design:

— I really like the original DBZ design, there's literally nothing I would change to him, but as you already mentioned, this one doesn't have Frost Demon's DNA so he needed to atleast look different.

— I tried to maintain his main features, because he is indeed is own being, so that I didn't change, his head, the wings, his anatomy (mainly), the spots, and so on.

— I removed the glass like shiny parts in his head, torso and legs, and instead it's an armoured type carcass let's say. The orange parts is to resemble the namekian pink muscles. He doesn't have any white skin, because that's clearly from the Frost Demons, and so he his all green. You don't see on this image, but he still has his long tail (I like him more with a long tail, it has nothing to do with absorption, just an artistic option)

— and finally, before you mention, this design and color scheme was decided waaaay before Dragon Ball Super Hero movie was even a thing

That's basically all, hope you like the final outcome me and Salagir came up with!

Fun fact: this page is the one Gast is reading on the cover of the chapter

See ya around !

I’ve always assumed that Cell’s more human like traits in his semi and perfect form came from absorbing #17 and #18, since his base form also has everyones DNA and he just looks like an namekian insect.

You didn’t take any risk with the design, but it was a solid move. Sometimes there’s no need to change what already works

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Majin Wasabi 10 April

Your nickel was saying:

iron leaf was saying: Oh, I had so wanted to see another page with Buu where the candy beam works on Broly. It's ironic how both Salagir's U20 special and Sayazur's spin-off didn't even mention it. Too bad.
I think I remember Salagir saying on a stream that magic wouldn't work on Broly if he gets too strong. Though even if it did, I imagine he'd just keep fighting like Vegito did

Well buu did said he was still stronger than Broly

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Majin Wasabi 10 April

That is 100% Cell, you can even see the spots on his leg. 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 10 April

DrewSaga was saying:

I wonder if any chance U4 Buu ever actually becomes a good person at some point down the line. But then again, something like that might take a very long time unless circumstances forces him to make that choice (maybe he is forced to make that choice when XXI becomes a multiversal threat).

I don’t think he’ll ever turn completely good. His god complex keeps his neutrality chaotic, and that’s what makes him so interesting. This page is more about him realizing he doesn’t have to be 100% evil or good. He doesn’t have to be anything at all — he can just be Buu.
At least thats the feeling I’m getting from this

Edit:
Thinking about it now, now that he's Zenbuu, he's more chaotic than ever. He plays with everyone's lives and doesn’t care what happens because he knows that, in the end, he can fix everything with just a snap of his fingers. So, he truly sees everyone as toys that he can break and rebuild at his will.

Fanfic u4, chapter 12

Majin Wasabi 9 April

ZenBuu was saying:

AberrantDesign was saying: I feel like the moderation needs to be a bit stricter on how criticism is delivered so this sort of thing just doesn't happen again
More harshness with the moderation? I got honestly a bit tired of endlessly trying to calm people a bit down in this comment section. Most people who get referenced with this page here just don't care. You also don't see how many comments we already had to delete. Someone even encouraged others to "bully" Sayazur for this comic, because "that should be the correct reaction from angry people, for having their time wasted with such a bullshit comic". Try to argue with people like this, good luck. Some people here went way overboard!

Frankly, I'm glad this comic is almost over now... because I got really tired of moderating here. Additionally, since this page says "we see you like this", I would like to distance myself from this page.

I think moderation should go both ways, at least you can tell Sayazur to not put WE on his insults.
if a page like this is about to come out… i mean what kind of reaction do you guys expect? Maybe just say nah this would only make me have moderate again and as you say it only leaves behind conflict and a bad taste.… for my part I was done with this comic until I saw this page 2 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 8 April

Goddamn Gohan, chill bro your Vegeta is showing

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Majin Wasabi 8 April

Coincido, nunca entenderé por qué tanto hate a un comic chorra, los que se quejan de que Salagir abrió espacio a un artista en su página cuando pudo abrir espacio a artistas mejores, deberían preguntarse si estos últimos en primer lugar quisieran publicar en DBM, estoy seguro que a él le encantaría.

Estoy seguro que a varios artistas de DB les encantaria publicar alguna historia aqui para darse a conocer. Esta pagina es la mas o de las mas populares en el mundo de fan-mangas de dragon ball entonces cualquier artista que venga y haga un buen trabajo, puede captar atencion para que busquemos de su trabajo…. Si este comic era en chorra, les falto anunciarlo al principio, aunque yo no me la creo, si pienso que Sayazur realmente intento hacer algo serio y al final agrego estas paginas como bonus de un pesimo trabajo…. Y con su actitud ante las críticas estoy seguro que es su ultimo trabajo aquí y a nadie le interesara conocer mas de su trabajo fuera de esta plataforma

Majin Wasabi 7 April

Majin Wasabi escribió: Saso escribió: Este comic fue lo mejor que he visto en años, solamente opacado por el arco de Majin Bra.
Lo malo es que no se si estas siendo sarcastico o no lol….. te mande saludos en la pagina en ingles pero borraron mi comentario :( asi que te saludo por aqui…. Hola :)
Yo lo he dicho varias veces, como comic chorra este comic es toptier, de hecho, si te pasas por Discord te puedo enviar contenido nunca antes visto más hilarante aún.

Te borraron el comentario por comentar en español en ingles XD saludos

Este Broly es incoherente por Salagir.

No comparto tu opinión de que este comic sea bueno, de hecho opino que es lo peor que ha publicado esta plataforma, pero la respeto.

Supuse que por eso lo borraron jajaja pero ya luego no se a veces borran solo porq no les gusta la opinion de otros, especialmente en los comentarios en ingles, se fijan en todo 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 7 April

Este comic fue lo mejor que he visto en años, solamente opacado por el arco de Majin Bra.

Lo malo es que no se si estas siendo sarcastico o no lol….. te mande saludos en la pagina en ingles pero borraron mi comentario :( asi que te saludo por aqui…. Hola :) 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 7 April

Sure bro we’re the problem, keep telling yourself that 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 6 April

Teleported_Bread was saying:

Majin Wasabi escribió: Nosotros nosotros nosotros nosotros
Jajaja, voy a modificarlo un poco, hay un diálogo donde "los nuestros" no cabía por tema de espacio, pero puedo añadir un "contra nuestra" o "los nuestros" por allí.

Te quedo mejor asi! senti que si se veía extraño, pero de cualquier forma entiendo que como quiera estaba correcta la oracion 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 5 April

iron leaf was saying: Oh we all know Future Trunks is known for his rage boosts.
...
In DBS of course, not DBZ.
You do realize that he went through some of his biggest traumatic moments during DBS, right? Goku Black's massacre on Earth, alone, pales in comparison to Buu's and the Cyborgs. The Cyborgs did it for sport and the fun of the game, Buu did it as the embodiment of evil and destruction. Goku Black claims it's divine justice and sadistically takes his time. Trunks lost his mother after all she survived and they'd been through, and as far as he was concerned he lost his girlfriend, too. Earth's populace continued to plummet while he continued to struggle and fail against Goku Black's overwhelming strength, and fail to save more and more people. He almost died escaping to the past. And then after everything, and all the sacrifices, later, him and Zamasu, who have committed genocide on a cosmic level, spit venom and blame on Trunks for their doings and more. So yeah, of course Trunks would get a few rage boosts here and there. He's losing everything and worse.

I think the boost “rage ssj” he got was too much…. I liked more the manga version, weaker but better scaling, and I thought it was cool he got some divine techniques (Healing). 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 5 April

Nosotros nosotros nosotros nosotros 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 4 April

Its not Goten, in the instagram page of DBM they confirm its Gohan, anyway it doesn’t make sense age wise to be Goten

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Majin Wasabi 3 April

Trunks…. You killed her yourself by bringing her to the battle 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 30 Mars

I always wondered, where does those mountains came from? Because I don’t remember the ring having them and in the fight of Vegeta vs Cell, I remember there being an invisible wall that prevent the fighters from flying outside the ring. 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 30 Mars

Gohan could’ve achieved it trough intense training and the anger of the androids killing everyone, half saiyans do achieve ssj rather easily (trunks and goten are good examples) and Gohan have insane potential. The only weird thing is how the androids didn’t detect him training or while achieving it.

Also the art is really good!

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Majin Wasabi 29 Mars

Death-Carioca escribió: "tío" es un poco barriobajero aquí.

Algo así como "Tenemos a otro alienígena, chicos" creo que tendría más sentido para un soldado (como mínimo debería haber una coma entre "tíos" y "que"). En vez de "mitad alienígena" creo que pegaría más "medio... alienígena". Como cuando alguien de aquí dice que es medio americano o medio filipino... o medio español: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s3b4dY_diI
Todo listo don Carioca.

holajose escribió: Saso escribió: Zucard escribió: No es ser mala onda, pero hasta ahora me parece uno de los peores especiales.
A qué se debe señor Zucard? Que podría modificar en el mismo para que sea mejor? Personalmente los especiales del U7 me encantan :(

El especial en su no está mal, pero el problema viene siendo que se siente que es demasiado de relleno, es disfrutable hasta cierto punto pero relleno puro y duro, es básicamente un especial de gast sin gast (?)

El mayor problema que le veo es quizás su ubicación, ubicar un especial así después del hype que dejó la trama de xxi es... Anticlimatico (?)
Claro, pero así ha sido DBM toda la vida, yo prefiero que metan """relleno""" y que así Asura nos pueda dar un capitulo increíble después.

Yo tambien, ya me acostumbre

Majin Wasabi 28 Mars

It has to be Gohan, if he says he is half alien, and it fits the lie, i though maybe another son of Bulma but Vegeta never came back to earth

Majin Wasabi 28 Mars

Esa fue la mentira?! Gohan no esta muerto…. No me esperaba eso.. buen plot twist

Majin Wasabi 28 Mars

Wow, nice plot twist! I was not expecting that

AberrantDesign was saying:

Majin Wasabi 27 Mars

Ehy does Mai even need to be here. Also why even explain who he is

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Majin Wasabi 25 Mars

Didn't Frieza say that he had sent a team before? What happened to them?

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Majin Wasabi 24 Mars

ZenBuu was saying:

Zen Kuu was saying: ZenBuu was saying: Zen Kuu was saying: It looks like false ssj transformation, still cool tho
Not really. This looks the same to you?

Have you never seen Goku's first SSJ transformation on Namek? ;D
Not exactly the same, but it looks similar. I get what you were going for, and it looks good. But Pan and Goku were transforming for the first time, so that kind of scene fits them better. After that, Saiyans usually just transform instantly.
Do you mean U16 Pan against Bojack? That wasn't her first SSJ transformation.

U18 Pan transformed for the first time into a SSJ against Kakarotto.

And as I said above, we thought it didn't gave Bardock enough credit, to show his transformation in such a small panel like in the original. That's why we made this transition. So this panel from the original will be the next page, that gets released tomorrow!

Regardless, nice to read that you still like it anyway.

Thats why I edited my comment…..

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Majin Wasabi 22 Mars

RIP Yamcha, acaba de hacer la pose de super vegeta 1 Replie(s)

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Majin Wasabi 22 Mars

Oh no, yamcha just did the finger pose

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Majin Wasabi 21 Mars

My guess is Thorn helped Bulma to reprogram this Android, thats why they haven’t used her before

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Majin Wasabi 21 Mars

Majin Wasabi was saying: bYep, all those “mistakes” are within character, them just being retarded because “they had to lose” isn’t
This situation isn't too far away from what happens normally

Frieza - A galactic tyrant with strength far above Goku's own (Impossible to fight head on)
Androids - A pair of Androids with infinite stamina, with the goal of wearing down their opponent in a direct fight (Not a good idea to fight head on)
Hit - An assassin with the ability to stop/skip time, making it impossible to block his attacks or reliably hit him (Impossible to fight head on)
DBBW Broly - A legendary Saiyan who's invincible and grows in power over time (Impossible to fight head on)

DBZ Goku - Gonna get more powerful and try to hit him like. Really hard (Super Saiyan)
Piccolo - Gonna get more powerful and try to hit them like. Really hard (Kami Fusion)
DBS Goku - Gonna get more powerful and try to hit him like. Really hard (Blue Kaioken)
DBBW Goku - Gonna get more powerful and try to hit him like. Really hard (Years of training)

DBZ Outcome - Turns out the legendary form gives enough big strong guy energy to beat Frieza
DBZ Outcome - Fought 17 in a battle of attrition, but was interrupted, although somehow it was working
DBS Outcome - Somehow, as it turns out with no prior foreshadowing, being really really strong makes you immune to timeskip
DBBW Outcome - Turns out hitting something really really hard doesn't work when their skillset makes them immune to being hit really really hard

The only difference is they lost here, really. "Hitting someone really really hard" is really their only plan.
In any case, any plan that's just "Let's hit him really really hard" is in character for Goku, since really all he cares about is getting a good fight, no matter the risk. I wouldn't consider it out of character for Goku to let Broly live here anyway and try to teach him to control the form so he can get another good fight later, frankly. It's more out of character for him to make any sort of plan at all

Y’all are missing my point. I would be okay with it if Goku, Vegeta, Gogeta, or anyone showed signs of wanting to have a good fight or showed that they were enjoying themselves. All the examples you mentioned show the fighters with some level of confidence, enjoyment in the battle or wanting to improve.

But in the Broly comic, the characters are portrayed as completely serious and desperate to kill Broly by any means necessary. We're told that they spent a whole year planning the easiest and most “cheap” way to just end him.

Toriyama always makes sure to show Goku's, Vegeta's, or even Gohan's pride and enjoyment when they do something reckless or "stupid." That pride is part of who they are—but this comic completely ignores that, and still delivers a terrible plan. That’s the point.

Also, all what you mention, Goku had confidence in him winning by first going head on and then adapting and winning, he IS a battle GENIUS and that’s what makes fighting exiting for him—but this time, they knew it wouldn’t work with Broly (at least this version of him) he is invunerable and every second wasted he becomes more and more dangerous. Vegetto from the tournament knew it, Zen Buu knew it, Gohan and Piccolo knew it. But somehow everyone in u20 forgot after just being killed by him and having fought him several times before?

Gogeta was as serious as he could possibly be. He started the fight in SSJ3 and never showed any signs of enjoying himself or just messing around. He can be a prideful hardhead, sure—but when it’s time to get serious, he’s as reliable as they come (just look at the DBS Broly movie or the Janemba movie). 1 Replie(s)

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Matrixkid was saying:

Honestly, I don't think Goku or the others were all that dumb with their planning earlier. Goku and Vegeta's plan to beat someone tougher than them has always been "Out muscle them and overpower them", and even when that was never an option... Their plan's always been "Out muscle them and overpower them". Them wanting to outmuscle an outmuscleable opponent isn't out of character for them, and I would even go so far as to say the plans they DID come up with was smarter than anything they did in DBZ/DBS.
If anything, them midmaxing like this to try and oneshot Broly seems out of character, we'd never EVER see this in any official series.

Exactly! When the characters believe they have a chance to win, they act a certain way… but this comic made it very clear that their only goal was to kill Broly, and that everyone gathered together for a whole year to seriously plan a strategy to defeat him including Gohan, Picollo, the kaioshins and kaiosama they are very smart and they’re not hard heads like Goku and Vegeta…. This wasn’t like other situations where Goku or Vegeta just trusted in their own power or someone else's (like when Goku believed Gohan could beat Cell, or when he thought he could take on Kid Buu in a 1v1 using SSJ3).

Here, it’s explicitly stated that they all gathered to think of the best possible way to kill Broly, including Buu and Gogeta in the plan, setting their pride aside. And yet, during the actual fight, Gogeta never comes off as cocky or like he's having fun. He’s portrayed as serious and determined… but still does absolutely nothing effective.

That’s the main criticism: if the story tells us they spent a whole year coming up with a solid strategy, then what we actually see (a ridiculous and senseless plan) completely contradicts that premise. That’s why it feels like a story with no logic, and with characters acting in ways that don’t match what we were told.

And yes, we have seen it, in movies like when Gogeta himself wasted no time in killing Janemba or Broly in DBS. And it doesn’t matter if is not on official series, because DBM uses movies as well

Majin Wasabi 20 Mars

beeruz was saying:

Majin Wasabi was saying: iron leaf was saying: Majin Wasabi was saying: iron leaf was saying: The Z-Fighters have been incredibly stupid so many times. For example, Vegeta and Goku knew how they could easily beat Buu as Vegetto, yet they broke the Potara, twice! Doesn't sound very smart, especially after seeing Kid Buu kill the unconscious Goten, Trunks, Gohan and Piccolo. Both knew the seriousness of the situation and yet they chose one of the stupidest routes to defeat Kid Buu.

So let's not pretend that Dragonball plots were logical. I think the skits in the bonus chapter are meant to show what would be possible if you actually utilized the full potential of all the possibilities (Dabura's stone spit, for example). Because let's be honest. The only truly pragmatic Z-Fighter who did everything he could to defeat his opponents as quickly and effectively as possible was Future Trunks.Them leaving hell before checking broly was dead makes 0 sense as well when Goku literally checked to see if cell was in hell after his explosion.

True but they thought they could beat kid buu individualy…. Here they knew they had no chance to beat Broly and the comic itself told us that they spend a whole YEAR thinking and planning the best way to beat him so yeah…. Don’t tell us thatSimilarly with the arrival of Future Trunks. The Z-Fighters have completely believed the time traveler's prophecy and decided the best possible solution would be to simply train for a YEAR ... Wait, 3 years. Only to ultimately come up with the brilliant idea of simply attacking the Androids head on. Of course, the twins immediately wiped the floor with them. They knew what was coming, and yet they 'only' trained 'as usual'.

Needless to say, 'Broly Final War' has enormous weaknesses (in regard of plot/storyboard). None of it is (fundamentally) uncharacteristic of Dragonball, though. I claim. If you read a DB story, you have to facepalm because of the stupidity of the heroes (and villains), otherwise it's not really Toriyama's Dragonball in spirit.
Again, true, BUT Goku and Vegeta didn’t actually know how strong the androids were or what their abilities were (like infinite energy or energy absorption). They had never fought them before, so their pride gave them the right to fight and try to win without any "cowardly" strategy. That doesn’t apply here because they supposedly spent a whole year planning a strategy to kill Broly after already being defeated by him and knowing exactly how strong he is and what his abilities are.

Basically, they had prep time against Broly, knowing everything about him, but not against the androids the only thing they could do is train. The idea of them defeating them before the 3 years was explored and quickly turned down by Vegeta because he wanted to fight them in a fair fight. Here they didn’t care about fairness they just wanted to win.

To prove your point even further in the manga while he states he doesn't go after the androids because he wants to fight them he also says that Dr gero hasn't made the androids yet anyways so that's why they don't attack him.The special is just eh because they've been planning for a year but still made mistakes.Would've been better if they just defused as gogeta quickly due to time limit or smth and then broly kill them.

Yep, all those “mistakes” are within character, them just being retarded because “they had to lose” isn’t 2 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 20 Mars

Is Yamcha making an entrance?! His confidence will be shattered quickly lol

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Majin Wasabi 20 Mars

iron leaf was saying:

Majin Wasabi was saying: iron leaf was saying: The Z-Fighters have been incredibly stupid so many times. For example, Vegeta and Goku knew how they could easily beat Buu as Vegetto, yet they broke the Potara, twice! Doesn't sound very smart, especially after seeing Kid Buu kill the unconscious Goten, Trunks, Gohan and Piccolo. Both knew the seriousness of the situation and yet they chose one of the stupidest routes to defeat Kid Buu.

So let's not pretend that Dragonball plots were logical. I think the skits in the bonus chapter are meant to show what would be possible if you actually utilized the full potential of all the possibilities (Dabura's stone spit, for example). Because let's be honest. The only truly pragmatic Z-Fighter who did everything he could to defeat his opponents as quickly and effectively as possible was Future Trunks.

True but they thought they could beat kid buu individualy…. Here they knew they had no chance to beat Broly and the comic itself told us that they spend a whole YEAR thinking and planning the best way to beat him so yeah…. Don’t tell us thatSimilarly with the arrival of Future Trunks. The Z-Fighters have completely believed the time traveler's prophecy and decided the best possible solution would be to simply train for a YEAR ... Wait, 3 years. Only to ultimately come up with the brilliant idea of simply attacking the Androids head on. Of course, the twins immediately wiped the floor with them. They knew what was coming, and yet they 'only' trained 'as usual'.

Needless to say, 'Broly Final War' has enormous weaknesses (in regard of plot/storyboard). None of it is (fundamentally) uncharacteristic of Dragonball, though. I claim. If you read a DB story, you have to facepalm because of the stupidity of the heroes (and villains), otherwise it's not really Toriyama's Dragonball in spirit.

Again, true, BUT Goku and Vegeta didn’t actually know how strong the androids were or what their abilities were (like infinite energy or energy absorption). They had never fought them before, so their pride gave them the right to fight and try to win without any "cowardly" strategy. That doesn’t apply here because they supposedly spent a whole year planning a strategy to kill Broly after already being defeated by him and knowing exactly how strong he is and what his abilities are.

Basically, they had prep time against Broly, knowing everything about him, but not against the androids the only thing they could do is train. The idea of them defeating them before the 3 years was explored and quickly turned down by Vegeta because he wanted to fight them in a fair fight. Here they didn’t care about fairness they just wanted to win. 1 Replie(s)

Majin Wasabi 20 Mars

iron leaf was saying:

The Z-Fighters have been incredibly stupid so many times. For example, Vegeta and Goku knew how they could easily beat Buu as Vegetto, yet they broke the Potara, twice! Doesn't sound very smart, especially after seeing Kid Buu kill the unconscious Goten, Trunks, Gohan and Piccolo. Both knew the seriousness of the situation and yet they chose one of the stupidest routes to defeat Kid Buu.

So let's not pretend that Dragonball plots were logical. I think the skits in the bonus chapter are meant to show what would be possible if you actually utilized the full potential of all the possibilities (Dabura's stone spit, for example). Because let's be honest. The only truly pragmatic Z-Fighter who did everything he could to defeat his opponents as quickly and effectively as possible was Future Trunks.

True but they thought they could beat kid buu individualy…. Here they knew they had no chance to beat Broly and the comic itself told us that they spend a whole YEAR thinking and planning the best way to beat him so yeah…. Don’t tell us that 1 Replie(s)

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Mustard was saying:

So we're literally just pointing out how contrived this whole thing needs to be to work.

Granted, this doesn't work because he'd die and then just gain infinite power in Hell since this is filler hell...

If you’re turned into stone you don’t die, you just stay a statue until someone kill dabura.

Awesome plan, could’ve tried it in the original comic, and have Broly rush/blast Dabura before turning completely into stone.

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Death-Carioca escribió: ¿Qué es esta censura al estilo doblaje latino? ¿En francés dice 'imbécil' y aquí dice 'tonto' como si fuera un niño (en inglés dice "fool" que en español de España seria algo así como 'necio')? ¿Qué hay de malo con que el villano diga "imbécil"? xD
Hola señor Carioca, en efecto, ya está corregido, a veces se traduce directo del ingles y pasan esas cosas, de hecho justamente ayer Salagir me habilitó a leer la versión francesa en el panel de traducción(hice la solicitud precisamente para evitar este tipo de errores, con nociones de francés).

Adicionalmente, estaría interesado en ayudarnos en el proyecto exportador de DBM? Sería muy útil con sus comentarios en las paginas pendientes a ser exportadas e incluso páginas exportadas con errores, simplemente debe releer DBM desde abril de 2024 aproximadamente(cuando arrancó el declive en las traducciones) e ir dejando sus correcciones en la página correspondiente, cuando el equipo las esté exportando, tomara en cuenta las correcciones pertinentes.

Pierot escribió: adalid escribió: raulsaxofon escribió: Momento de un Kienzan?
Krilin escapandonde otros androides y el kienzan de Yajirobe seria muy debil contra los androides aunque estos sean mas debiles que 17 y 18
Pues para que Giran los haya podido detener su chicle, estos androides seguro son hasta más débiles que el Rey Piccolo
Corrígeme si me equivoco, pero el chicle de Giran actúa contra la fuerza del que lo tiene encima, es como los juguetes chinos atrapa dedos, a más tiras, más te atrapa.

Vi hace muchos años Dragon Ball clasico, pero no era la goma de Giran un ataque que se endurecía al atrapar a alguien? Este se ve como una variante de ese mismo ataque pero que se hace como pegajoso.

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jonathan_vik was saying:

What the heck can the bonus chapter even be about? Everyone is dead!

Then Broly comes back from the tournament to u20 and destroys nothingness and survives because he destroyed nothingness from the middle

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Majin Wasabi escribió: Saso escribió: Sigo sin entender por qué hay gente que comenta en esto como si fuera DBM-canon.

Igualmente, el comic no ha terminado, se viene mi parte favorita después de la absorción de Raditz por parte de Buu :)
El problema es ese, que DBM le esta dando plataforma y habla de un Universo dentro del canon, es un comic lleno de hoyos argumentales, dandole retraso mental a todos los personajes para justificar la victoria de Broly, aun cuando estos mismos personajes en el torneo sin tener que planear un año entero una estrategia, sabian perfectamente que para vencer a Broly no sirve una estrategia de una pelea alargada y sin dar ningun golpe definitivo. Por ejemplo los comics de Goten-Kun , que me parecen muy buenos, el de 321Y si es malo no importa mucho ( que me parecio bueno ) por que habla de un universo totalmente inventado por Goten-kun. Aqui a Sayazur le dieron todas las herramientas para tener un comic que todos quieran ver (Un universo del canon, Gogeta SSJ3, Ultra Buu, Janemba, Cell, Freezer) y no hizo nada con ninguno de estos personajes. Gogeta se la paso perdiendo el tiempo contra Broly e intento acabarlo con un ataque definitivo cuando sus amigos tuvieron que sacrificar su vida para hacerlo, por que no intentarlo antes? Antes de eso puro golpesito y patadas, Buu no hizo nada en toda la pelea mas que al final y lo unico que hizo fue salvar Broly, Janemba aparecio para la siguiente pagina desaparecer, Cell igual lo metieron al comic para no hacer absolutamente nada con el. En resumen se sintio como si el autor no supo ni que hacer con tanto personaje.

Se que no es parte del Canon pero si alguien que no sabe entra a la pagina y ve el comic sin saber se puede llevar una imagen equivocada de DBM y su manera de redactar historias y esto es culpa de que DBM le de plataforma a esto.
Como llevarias tu un guión donde FORZOSAMENTE los personajes tienen que perder y Broly tiene que quedar solo si o si en el hielo? Es complicado, este es el universo 20, para universos donde los personajes no actuaron como idiotas tenemos varios como el 2001 2002 2003 2004, etc incluyendo el canonico donde se lo comió un agujero negro, estaría interesante que los resucitaran con las esferas de Namek, por cierto.

La respuesta es sencilla: dejó morir la historia con el final del agujero negro.

Pero ya que preguntas, otra cosa sencilla es no incluir en tu historia a Ultra Buu + Gogeta SSJ3 en combo (es imposible que pierdan), o no decir que estuvieron un año completo planeando una estrategia para vencer a Broly y luego escribir la peor estrategia de todos los tiempos.

¿Qué pudo hacer? Que Broly los sorprenda llegando al Otro Mundo, tal vez. Justificar que el alma de Majin Buu realmente está dentro de Uub y por eso, al morir, este no puede irse al Otro Mundo (así solucionas el problema de qué hacer con Buu).

En cuanto a Gogeta, es complicado, porque estamos hablando de que Vegetto SSJ1 le dio pelea a Broly. Entonces, poner a Gogeta SSJ3 y hacerlo perder es completamente imposible. La solución, aunque cliché, es simple:
• Mostrar a Gogeta dominando a Broly en SSJ1.
• Luego, Broly lo alcanza en poder, así que Gogeta sube a SSJ2 y sigue jugando con él.
• Eventualmente, Broly lo alcanza en fuerza otra vez.
• Gogeta, al sentir que ya jugó demasiado con Broly y sabiendo que eventualmente lo va a superar, se transforma en SSJ3.
• Justo cuando está a punto de lanzar su ataque definitivo, le pasa lo mismo que a Vegetto contra Zamasu: a pesar de que todavía le quedaba tiempo, no contó con que la energía era demasiada y su fusión se rompe de golpe.
• Broly, al sentir que estuvo cerca de morir y aterrado por ello, hace una autoexplosión al estilo de Majin Vegeta, matando a Goku y Vegeta y rompiendo la barrera de hielo.
• Queda inconsciente y flotando congelado solo por el universo.

Así nos das un fan service de una pelea entre Gogeta y Broly sin hacer que Gogeta parezca un novato sin idea de cómo matar a Broly. Además, tiene más lógica el nivel de poder de Broly al llegar al torneo.

A lo mejor no es la mejor opción (no soy ni creo ser escritor), pero al menos tiene un poco más de sentido, y los personajes perderían por lo mismo de siempre: ser demasiado confiados y descuidarse en el último segundo. 1 Replie(s)

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Shabby was saying:

@Zen Kuu, Good points about U18/16 taking the Broly fight immediately serious.

Vegito understood that nobody there stood a chance, so he immediately saved Goku by distracting Broly.

I miss Hero Vegito

This is the page I’m talking about:
https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-192.html

Vegito was even playing with Broly, lol, because he knew that he was way stronger than him in ssj3 and can finish the fight whenever he wanted… but a dead, stronger versions of goku and vegeta, bloodlust Gogeta in SSJ3 couldn’t harm a way weaker Broly at all…

thebritwriter was saying: I’ll just be a broken record if I bring up points must comment se toon have done. So I’ll break it to a few points:

Even though it’s a concept no one asked for, it did have some promise but was ruined not just by poor use of characters with some existing just so they can have a one liner at a rival but some of the pages were frankly, terrible. Unfinished, poor scaling and using refrences do apprent the fact they show first thing on google images gives an idea how rushed this was.

Blame can’t be on sayazur for ruining his own work, it should had been rejected by salagir till there was some quality to it. Even if some if the artists could not do any better, the pages that had just flat colouring and no shading even was bad.

There are about four websites and three discord servers that have Dbm as a topic, all of them can’t agree on if the main story of Dbm is good but all do agree that this was a very poor story that has bruised the credibility of its main artist and leads but it also could had been prevented if they tried to revise the work and story and not rush it for what is a non-canon explanation to Dbm broly.
I'd like to add something I haven't seen mentioned as much, it seems like Sayazur has been using the mirror tool for drawing a LOT. Obviously an artist should use whatever tools they have at their disposal, but once you take note of it, it becomes apparent just how many of the non-traced character poses during dialogue are just characters directly facing the camera with symmetrical arms so it takes less effort to draw. There are scenes when that's a good idea, but...

They keep staring at the camera

The image of Goku wasting time meditating while Broly was killing everyone makes me laugh and frustrates me at the same time… What kind of strategy is that? xD

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Sigo sin entender por qué hay gente que comenta en esto como si fuera DBM-canon.

Igualmente, el comic no ha terminado, se viene mi parte favorita después de la absorción de Raditz por parte de Buu :)

El problema es ese, que DBM le esta dando plataforma y habla de un Universo dentro del canon, es un comic lleno de hoyos argumentales, dandole retraso mental a todos los personajes para justificar la victoria de Broly, aun cuando estos mismos personajes en el torneo sin tener que planear un año entero una estrategia, sabian perfectamente que para vencer a Broly no sirve una estrategia de una pelea alargada y sin dar ningun golpe definitivo. Por ejemplo los comics de Goten-Kun , que me parecen muy buenos, el de 321Y si es malo no importa mucho ( que me parecio bueno ) por que habla de un universo totalmente inventado por Goten-kun. Aqui a Sayazur le dieron todas las herramientas para tener un comic que todos quieran ver (Un universo del canon, Gogeta SSJ3, Ultra Buu, Janemba, Cell, Freezer) y no hizo nada con ninguno de estos personajes. Gogeta se la paso perdiendo el tiempo contra Broly e intento acabarlo con un ataque definitivo cuando sus amigos tuvieron que sacrificar su vida para hacerlo, por que no intentarlo antes? Antes de eso puro golpesito y patadas, Buu no hizo nada en toda la pelea mas que al final y lo unico que hizo fue salvar Broly, Janemba aparecio para la siguiente pagina desaparecer, Cell igual lo metieron al comic para no hacer absolutamente nada con el. En resumen se sintio como si el autor no supo ni que hacer con tanto personaje.

Se que no es parte del Canon pero si alguien que no sabe entra a la pagina y ve el comic sin saber se puede llevar una imagen equivocada de DBM y su manera de redactar historias y esto es culpa de que DBM le de plataforma a esto. 1 Replie(s)

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Darth-Hottie escribió: Idea random, ¿No se le podría haber encerrado con un Mafuba o eso se explicó anteriormente?

No sé, pero dejando a un lado la calidad de dibujo, que fue algo irregular (y en ocasiones la historia incoherente), lo que realmente me da la sensación es que hemos estado viendo 73 páginas llenas de fanservice de transformaciones, cameos, tácticas y estrategias que no sirvieron para nada.

A lo que me refiero es que no es lo mismo un comic de 15 páginas donde un villano gana y se establece que Broly es una amenaza invencible (el propósito del especial), a lo que hemos visto. ¿De qué sirve, como lector, involucrarse en la planificación de la batalla tan detallada y variada y con giros constantes y pasar semanas viendo cómo se desarrollan acciones inútiles, solo para que al final toda la realidad deje de existir? No es un "bad ending", es literalmente lo peor que podría pasar en el universo. Para un resultado así, pues se puede resumir en pocas páginas en lugar de cerca de la centena.

Supongo que la sensación que te deja es subjetiva, pero así es como me siento yo tras haberlo leído y por el tono de cachondeo en plan "fuck it" de los demás, veo que la cosa es generalizada.

Zen Kuu escribió: Darth-Hottie escribió: Idea random, ¿No se le podría haber encerrado con un Mafuba o eso se explicó anteriormente?

No sé, pero dejando a un lado la calidad de dibujo, que fue algo irregular (y en ocasiones la historia incoherente), lo que realmente me da la sensación es que hemos estado viendo 73 páginas llenas de tácticas y estrategias que no sirvieron para nada.

A lo que me refiero es que no es lo mismo un comic de 15 páginas donde un villano gana y se establece que Broly es una amenaza invencible (el propósito del especial), a lo que hemos visto. ¿De qué sirve, como lector, involucrarse en la planificación de la batalla tan detallada y variada y con giros constantes y pasar semanas viendo cómo se desarrollan acciones inútiles, solo para que al final toda la realidad deje de existir? No es un "bad ending", es literalmente lo peor que podría pasar en el universo. Para un resultado así, pues se puede resumir en pocas páginas en lugar de cerca de la centena.

Supongo que la sensación que te deja es subjetiva, pero así es como me siento yo tras haberlo leído y por el tono de cachondeo en plan "fuck it" de los demás, veo que la cosa es generalizada.
Siendo realistas pudieron intentar 1,000 cosas diferentes para vencer a Broly y no intentaron nada. Ni rayo de chocolate, ni puño del dragón, ni un kamehameha a todo poder, o el ataque de gogeta solamente a broly sin ser absorbido, a ultra buu atacando y regenerando… lo que sea, solo usaron golpes y patadas contra Broly de todos los oponentes… y lo peor es que nos quieren vender la idea de que tuvieron 1 año completo para llegar a esa estrategia… y estamos hablando de que la planearon entre Gohan, Vegeta, Picoro, Goku, Kaiosama, El viejo Kaioshin, hasta Cell…en resumen Broly ganó por que todos los supuestos genios de los combates tienen un IQ negativo…

Están seguros de eso? Este comic aún no termina, se vienen cositas.

Espero tengas razon, este comic no me ha gustado (soy ZenKuu desde mi cuenta principal)

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