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Andy 12 сентября
Anthryrion was saying:
Selbst wenn Kakarott unsterblich ist, DAS dürfte weh tun wenn alle auf einmal angreifen würden^^


Dass ihn alle auf einmal aufhalten dürfte extrem an seinem Ego kratzen. Und dabei kommt er noch glimpflich davon
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Andy 12 сентября
HoCBo was saying:
Haha, endlich ist sie da! An dieser Seite habe ich ein paar Tage gearbeitet, um sie zu animieren. Mit dieser Seite habe ich viel über After Effects und die grundlegenden Animationen in Photoshop gelernt. Ich hoffe, sie gefällt euch :3



Die Animation sieht mega geil aus! Danke für eure unermüdliche Arbeit! Es würde mich nicht wundern, wenn wir irgendwann einen Anime mit einer Vertonung bekämen
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Andy 12 сентября
King Kindred was saying:
JustSaiyan called it on the last page.

It should've been U18 Goku instead of Vegeta though.

And interesting how U16 Gohan stepped in here, but didn't stop Bojack from breaking his Pan's neck preventing her from forfeiting. He was strong and fast enough to free her before her neck snapped. It wouldn't have mattered that she'd be disqualified due to interference since she was going to lose anyway.


How should U16 Gohan have saved his daugther? They are not allowed under the rules of the tournament to intervene in the fights and U16 Pan decided to fight to the death. U18' Pan forfeited und thus was no longer bound to the tournament. 1 Replie(s)
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Andy 12 сентября
Dandolos was saying:
Wahrscheinlich greift Vegeta ein, aber ein Gohan der plötlich vor ihm steht und ihn mit einem kleinen Finger aufhält hätte was extrem cooles.


Ich kann mir bei Son Gohan nicht vorstellen, dass er Kakarott mit einem kleinen Finger aufhält. Das ist eher etwas, was ein Gotenks oder Vegetto tun würde.

Son Gohan würde meiner Meinung nach eher reagieren wie Son Goku, als er Freezer auf die Knie gewzungen und ihm fast die Hand gebrochen hat.
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Andy 11 сентября
Spicka was saying:
Axadro sagte: Sieht so aus als hätte er gelernt die Magie wie eine art Hülle oder Aura anzuwenden für seine normalen Schläge.
Kann mir vorstellen das es den Vorteil hat das der Zauber für einige Zeit bestehen bleibt bis er ein Ziel trifft anstelle eines einmaligen Fernangriffes und als Ausgleich ist es halt jetzt ein Nahkampf-Move anstelle eines Fernkampf-Moves.


So schnell wie Uub sich bewegt könnte es doch auch die kaioken sein. :-)


Na ja, er ruft ja selber "Bonbon" beim Angriff und auf einmal hat der Tritt eine lila Aura. Sieht für mich klar danach aus, als wenn er seine Magie mit Kampftechniken kombiniert. Ich finde es auf jeden Fall eine coole Idee und vor allem sehr gefährlich für seine Gegner. Die dürfen in Zukunft Uub's Angriffe nicht mehr parieren, sondern könenn nur noch ausweichen, wenn sie nicht als Tafel Schokolade enden wollen.
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Andy 11 сентября
Jacobo was saying:
ZenBuu was saying: King Kindred was saying: This is the only change I don't like. He would've been disqualified here for trying to attack her after his victory was announced. It also retcons the whole, "She was able to calm down Kakarotto" line from Emperor Vegeta.
First, page 104. Kakarotto also tries to attack Kat, after she gave up, but Vegeta stops him. He didn't got disqualified there.

Second, this page didn't made much sense in the original. There Kakarotto didn't really got carried away, like Gohan says. Now it makes more sense.

As for those first two panels on page 615, there will be something new instead. Just wait until Sunday. :)

I’m sorry but I disagree with your second point. Kakarot did go on a maniacal fit when he was hit by Pans kamehameha. Gohans deal was for an “honorable duel” without “unnecessary violence”. Just because he didn’t violently beat her within an inch of her life, doesn’t mean he didn’t shake her violently while going on a maniacal tirade about genocide ending in an illusion to sexual assault. Gohan can argue the deal was breached and have a point.



Well yes, Gohan would have a point but the U13 saiyans are still in the right. The reason for the deal was to make sure that Pan survives the match and doesn't get harmed. In the end, that deal waas honored, even if Kakarott had his own ideas during the fight. He shook Pan like a maniac, he made a disturbing sexual comment and he would have abused Pan so hard as Spopovich did Videl. But in the end, the result is what matters.

I'm more curious how the others will stop Kakarot. I bet that U13 Vegeta will stop him again, although I'd wish for U18 Gohan to beat Kakarot to a bloody pulp.
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Andy 10 сентября
Oha, das riecht nach einer Menge Ärger für Kakarott und das U13.

Vegeta dürfte nicht erfreut darüber sein und alle anderen Universen haben jetzt eine Steilvorlage, um Kakarott endlich mal seinen Teil zukommen zu lassen
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Andy 10 сентября
Oh God no! I thought we were over this.

That's now a really interesting shift of events because Kakarot has no right to attack outside of a match. I hope the others give him a good beating for his behaviour, they now have an incentive to!
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Andy 9 сентября
I don't know about this one. Gohan is already weakened from his previous fight and Vegeta is on his full power 1 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 112
Andy 9 сентября
Ich wollte nur kurz etwas loswerden, was ich auch in den englischen Kommentaren geschrieben habe:

In den nächsten Tagen geht das Volk in Frankreich auf die Barrikaden und ich mache mir etwas Sorgen um Salagir und das Team. Wenn das hier jemand von den Admins liest, könnten Salagir und Co sich in den nächsten Tagen in den Kommentaren melden, damit wir wissen, ob es ihnen gut geht? 1 Replie(s)
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Andy 8 сентября
The animations make it much more intense. That last strike hurt just from looking at it.
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Andy 8 сентября
It's nice to see the contrast between Goku and Kakarott. On the one panel, you see a proud and emotional Grandpa Goku and on the next one you see the insanity in Kakarots face. The artists never fail to impress me here. Really nice!

Stevethebarbarian was saying:
This is another opportunity for me to mildly complain about the original story lol. Pan in her base form was able to mildly injure Kakarot! Obviously he’s holding back, but he’s not reducing his power anywhere near hers, he’s in Super Saiyan and intentionally stomping her. I feel like if Pan multiplied her power 50 times over, she probably should have been able to at least put up a good fight.


Pan just went SSJ for the first time and Kakarott has a ton of experience, not just with being Super Saiyan, but also in fighting. No matter if they fought in their base or in SSJ, Pan is vastly outclassed.

Edit: I also like how Pan is much cooler and collected here than in the original
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Andy 8 сентября
Sieht ziemlich cool aus. Ihr Blick ist der eines Saiyajinns und mit dem Stab auf dem Rücken erinnert sie ein bisschen an Kid Goku, wie er sich Oberteufel Piccolo stellt. Nur von einem anderen Blickwinkel aus betrachtet
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Andy 8 сентября
Teleported_Bread was saying:
I see she's still wearing that unnecessarily showy outfit.

Anyways, she probably didn't like the name he gave her.
I wonder if Uub will have his age reverted back to how he was before Zen Buu decided to teach him magic, assuming it's been that long for him.

iron leaf was saying: Juna (I assume that's her name here) says exactly the same thing here as on page 2084. Word for word, like a robot.

As human as she may seem, she is ultimately just a being created by ZenBuu to train Uub. I think the goal from the beginning was for Uub to use magic to turn her into an object, just like Grubuu and Female Majin. On the other hand, it was explicitly mentioned that she was smarter than the previous training partners. Very interesting.

I really hope Uub manages to defeat her without turning her into an object for good. I would be very happy if both of them returned to the DBM tournament arena.
Ever since she agreed to being given a name during the two pages after, I've always since believed Zen Buu also used Anju as a model for Uub's training partner to give him the confidence to ask the real Anju out. Am I the only one who thinks that'd be in character for Zen Buu to pull a secret wing-man stunt like that?


The thing is just a robot like C19 or C16. Also, let's not forget that ZenBuu intentionally made her sexy to mock Uub. So why would her shape change all of a sudden? It's ironic how she makes Uub sweat that much 1 Replie(s)
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Andy 7 сентября
siksteen was saying:
You can see Gohan and Goku on her face


Yean, her mimic is the same as Goku's when he tells Frieza that he's done with him.
DBMultiverse Colors page 408
Andy 6 сентября
Gohan probably snapped again because Tien reminded him on Nappa. But I don't think it will mean much besides pushing Gohan's morale again
Saigo no Son page 111
Andy 6 сентября
Homura was saying:
Ich finde es passt, da die SSJ Verwandlung die Persönlichkeit des Saiyajins gerne mal verändert und vor allem auch wütender macht.

Und nein da ist nichts mit Vergewaltigung Salagir hat schon bestätigt, dass es ums Töten ging. Außerdem hat Kakarotts versuchter Tritt bewiesen was er wirklich mit ihnen gemacht hat


Der Tritt beweist gar nichts, weil er in der Originalversion nicht vorkam und auch hier ohne Zusammenhang mit Kakarotts Bemerkung vorkommt. Außerdem hat die Moderation (z. B. ZenBuu) auch in den englischen Kommentaren klargestellt, dass sie die sexuelle Anspielung gerne rausgeschnitten gehabt hätten und das durch Salagir abgelehnt wurde.

In den französischen Kommentaren gibt es einen sehr guten Einwand eines Lesers zu dem Thema, den ich hier mal mit ChatGPT üversetzte habe:

"Es hätte weniger „pervers“ geklungen. Aber war es vielleicht Absicht? Vielleicht hat er sie wirklich vergewaltigt. Das würde gut zu zwei Dingen passen:
— Wenn man ein Barbarenvolk ist, behandelt man Frauen nicht gerade mit Respekt…
— Vegeta macht nach seinem ersten Kampf eine Anspielung (auf das Mädchen, das Pheromone ausstößt), indem er sagt, es sei ein Fehler gewesen, einen Wahnsinnigen wie Kakarott zu erregen.

Das passt und erklärt auch Pans Panik, als sie sich verwandelt. Denn ich habe mich immer gefragt, was sie so wütend gemacht hat. Ich meine, wir wissen ja schon, dass er Menschen getötet und ausgerottet hat. Dass er „kleine Mädchen“ sagt, sollte sie nicht weiter stören, es sei denn, wir reden von Vergewaltigung."
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Andy 5 сентября
iron leaf was saying:
Wunderschön, aber falsche Entscheidung (für Pan's Charakter) meiner Meinung nach.


Ich finde es genau richtig. Es war für mich selten so befriedigend wie hier, wenn ein Bösewicht eine reinkriegt. Es ist gut, dass Pan sich gegen jemanden behauptet, der ihr gerade angedeutet hat, dass er Mädchen wie sie vergewaltigt hat. 1 Replie(s)
DBMultiverse Colors page 407
Andy 5 сентября
That feels soooo satiysfying to look at! Great job you guys :)
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Andy 5 сентября
bigdeano89 was saying:
If Vegeta just straight up kills Tien here it would mirror Cell killing 16 and may tip Gohan over the edge to grant him ssj.


Gohan wouldn't give a damn if Tien or Yamcha died here. His mother is the only person he cares for
Saigo no Son page 110
Andy 4 сентября
Gohan better gets his act together quickly. I'm not sure how much time Vegeta will give them until he goes for him again
Saigo no Son page 110
Andy 4 сентября
This way of transformation feels much cooler than the original.

Pan literally has to stand up for herself and she will transform as she will push Kakarot away. Way better than just lying on the floor.
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Andy 4 сентября
HOOOLY Shit! What an amazing panel!
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Andy 2 сентября
ooh, come on Gohan! You can do this! Don't give up!
Saigo no Son page 109
Andy 1 сентября
Oooh, now we're going with Nappas way of execution!

Also, it's less creepy for us to actually see Kakarots face during that statement. Although his expression is still, well "concerning" to say the least.

DrewSaga was saying:
U13 Vegeta: "No! Not my chance of gaining great power! Damnit Kakarotto!"

U13 Vegeta is surprisingly emotionally invested.

CompactCoven was saying: Oooh, new page!! Great addition to highlight Kakarot's inability to control themselves
Also, whether it was the intention originally or not, I do like how this page paints it more as just "I killed little human girls"

Yeah, the implication otherwise is somehow even worse.


U13 is the leader of his group and takes responsibility for his minions. He made the deal with U18 Gohan and if Kakarot messes this up, this will look really bad on him.


KidTrunks was saying:
Is this Kakarotto a... a uhh... you know what?

Wouldn't be out of character for him and wouldn't be the first time in dragonball, that something like that happened. General Blue was a pedophile and his soldiers tried to rape Bulma.
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Andy 31 августа
aaaaw, that's cute. I didn't expect a flashback chapter that goes THAT far into the past. Will we see Uub returning to the multiverse eventually?
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Andy 31 августа
I like this version of the page because Kakarots memories make his past more severe. Also, it cuts the most creepiest and possibly darkest scene of the multiverse comic.

Although it is not confirmed what exactly he meant, the indication is disturbing enough. 2 Replie(s)
DBMultiverse Colors page 404
Andy 30 августа
Amazing!
Saigo no Son page 108
Andy 29 августа
These faces in the last panel are just priceless :)
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Andy 28 августа
I'm surprised that Vegeta finally gets down to business, but I won't complain.
I don't need another monologue of Vegeta's delusional trashtalk.
Saigo no Son page 107
Andy 26 августа
FishNChips was saying:
"I will take my pleasure in exterminating you"
But why...
Does he hate his own kind? :| I don't get The Prince (g'day your majesty!) sometimes.


Vegeta hates everything and everyone
Saigo no Son page 106
Andy 25 августа
Kongming5 was saying:
I could see Goku looking like the 2nd panel if you barred him from food for 3 days and nights....maybe even 1

Agreed. They nailed it with Kararots madness
DBMultiverse Colors page 401
Andy 22 августа
Maybe we see the fight between Gohan and Vegeta with constant flashbacks about the past. That would be the only explaination to this page.
Saigo no Son page 104
Andy 21 августа
SoyBear was saying:
Rey Vegeta was saying: Piccolo trained Gohan in the original timeline and earned Gohan's respect. Nappa trained Gohan in this timeline, no wonder why Gohan respects him

Also; Piccolo trained Gohan in the original and died defending him.

Nappa Trained Nasu in this timeline and died defending him (though more unintentionally)

Gohan is really good at bringing out the best in mass murderers.


Piccolo sacrified himself for Kid Gohan, which Nappa did not. Nasu/Gohan was not in an immediate life danger when Vegeta executed him. That was just Vegeta being Vegeta.

Tamamo-no-Bae was saying:
goten-kun was saying: Piccolo killed a lot of people. King Piccolo and Piccolo Junior are the same character. King Piccolo reincarnated himself into his son's body.

Not exactly, King Piccolo was pure evil split from the Nameless Namekian.
Piccolo meanwhile is a new being who inherited the memories of King Piccolo, but he was never pure evil in the same way.
And his development with Gohan proved that.


King Piccolo spoke through Piccolo Junior to Goku at the last tournament and Juniour told the audience, that he is his father's reincarnation. Eating a bottle, shooting through Goku's chest and stomping into Goku's bleeding wound is definetly something, that King Piccolo would have done too. They are one being split onto several bodies, otherwiese Kami would have been dead when his evil half died.
Saigo no Son page 103
Andy 19 августа
That first panel really looks wholesome
Saigo no Son page 103
Andy 18 августа
CornBreadtm was saying:
It makes sense that Raditz is a bad instructor. Can't teach if you don't know anything. 1500 is his base and max. He can't even power up like Nappa and Vegeta.

Raditz is the only major villain that doesn't power up outside of Majin Buu and Buu is magic...

So Raditz training Gohan would be pointless since Gohan has hidden potential and needs to learn how to power up and bring that power out.


Radditz' training probably meant beating Gohan up. That's how Gohan looks like and that also appeals to the saiyan's way of life. They must have thought that Gohan would man up eventually, but he is still very cautious and afraid
Saigo no Son page 102
Andy 18 августа
YellNinja1600 was saying:
I still wonder how Kakarot managed to beat Mercenary Tao, Kami, or King Piccolo if he was freed. Without those additional power boosts from in story events like training under Roshi, Korin, and Ultra Divine Water what would compensate for Kakarot getting so much stronger ?


That would make an excellent story for U13 Kakarot. My guess would be that he would get constant Zenkais because people like Roshi, Korin and Grandpa Gohan would only knock him out but not kill him.

That Kakarot would also be stronger than Kid Goku for the most part because being on a murderous rampage is the only thing he does. Kid Goku lived in peace until Bulma showed up
DBMultiverse Colors page 396
Andy 17 августа
Wait, is that the same place as in Kakarott's memories? Does that mean, he helds Krilins skull in his hands? 2 Replie(s)
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Andy 16 августа
So Radditz is weak, failed to recruit Kakarot and even a bad instructor.

No wonder why he gets the least respect in the group. But I'm still curious how Nappa will do better.
Saigo no Son page 102
Andy 15 августа
Ayashi was saying:
Considering the Power levels of the three saiyans in canon i don't think Nappa is a good teacher.
Remember that saiyens can be born in a rather wide range of initial power, which imo reflects their natural talent. And.. well:
Raditz, born low class, 1'500ish PL
Vegeta, born high class, 18'000 PL
And of course Nappa himself, born a noble and being (probably) in the 5k range.

IMO it's clear that he coasted entirely on natural talent rather than any actual instruction.


Nappa's power level was 4'000 1 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 101
Andy 14 августа
lazypioneer was saying:
Gohan : I need an adult?

Nappa: I am an adult. 1 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 101
Andy 12 августа
Ooooh, flashback time. I like it
Saigo no Son page 100
Andy 7 августа
I assume that Gohan will need Yamcha's and Tien's help eventually. He's weakened from the battle and it would not make sence for the others to wait nearby. I hope that Yamcha will get some of the spotlight
Saigo no Son page 98
Andy 5 августа
Ammar was saying:
Andy was saying: This is the first time Vegeta feels out of character to me. He usually never threatens his opponents like this.
Huh?! That's literally his character in 3/4 of Z.


He is usually calm and collected before battle, even if he intimidates his enemies. He would only outburst if his opponents give him an incentive to.
Just like Goku did when he beat him up with 3x Kaioken or Perfect Cell taunting him. 1 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 97
Andy 5 августа
This is the first time Vegeta feels out of character to me. He usually never threatens his opponents like this. 2 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 97
Andy 5 августа
Anthryrion was saying:
Aber wenn Vegeta der letzte Saiyajin ist... über wen will er als Prinz der Saiyajin dann herrschen?


Vegeta führt den Titel "Prinz" nur aus Eitelkeit. Sein Volk ist ihm scheißegal.
Saigo no Son page 96
Andy 3 августа
Damian Qualshy was saying:
What the hell is Vegeta planning now? Does he WANT to become the last of the Saiyans?

Andy was saying: I wonder what some people expected here. They should be slightly stronger than in the saiyan saga so how should Gohan be able to go Super Saiyan?
Why would the power matter for him to be able to transform?


Because if emotions would be the only way, Kid Goku should have been able to go Super Saiyan against Tambourine or adult Goku against Nappa. 2 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 96
Andy 2 августа
I wonder what some people expected here. They should be slightly stronger than in the saiyan saga so how should Gohan be able to go Super Saiyan?

Vegeta killing Nappa had the same meaning as in the original show. To show us how much of a cold-hearted monster Vegeta is. 2 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 96
Andy 31 июля
Damn! I feel more bad for Gohan and Nappa than I should. Especially after how passionate Nappa spoke in Gohan's favor.

But it seems like Vegeta will always kill Nappa, even if he has better options. Seems to be the characters fate
Saigo no Son page 95
Andy 30 июля
Ich weiß nicht, welche Techniken unsere Helden noch gelernt haben. Ob 24 Stunden genung sind, jemandem die Kaioken oder die Genkidama beizubringen? Ich habe so meine Zweifel und wir wissen auch nicht, wie viel stärker unsere Helden geworden sind.

Aber Son Gohan müsste doch eigentlich wissen wie Vegeta kämpft und was gegen ihn hilft. Sofern Tenshinhan und er sich nicht verausgabt haben, könnten sie noch gewinnen
Saigo no Son page 94
Andy 30 июля
King Kindred was saying:
ZenBuu was saying: King Kindred was saying: He literally just got mad at Gohan for killing a fellow Saiyan, the weakest of the bunch who was mentally weaker for attacking defenseless spectators.

Nasu did their squad a favor by getting rid of the prideless Saiyan who couldn't kill a single Earthling.
As others have said, Vegeta doesn't care about the other saiyans. He killed Nappa for talking back to him, he knows that Nappa and Gohan are close (page 28). Gohan killed Raditz to protect Chichi, acting against Vegeta's orders. It's not the fact that Gohan killed Raditz that got Vegeta mad, it's that Gohan wasn't obeying to Vegeta. I don't see any hypocrisy here.

Vegeta didn't order for Chi Chi to be killed until after he believed Gohan killed Raditz to protect them. He was actually angry at Gohan for killing Raditz before he gave Nasu the direct order to finish them. (Page 91) It's just not in Vegeta's character to not even call out how weak Raditz was in that situation. It would've made more sense for Vegeta to kill Raditz for his weakness before Gohan would've gotten the chance, especially after he talked down on him on Page 27 for almost losing to Kakarot and being the reason they all had to go to Earth. He told him to essentially not be a weak joke and he failed at that. That's disobeying a direct order, but he didn't act on it or even say anything. Instead he just sat there watching him attack weaklings twice after failing to kill Yamcha. He hated Raditz. Looked at him as less than dirt. Nasu was doing them all a favor.

But to kill Nappa now makes no sense. Vegeta in the original had the Dragon Balls to rely on. He didn't care about being the last Saiyan because he was going to wish for immortality. That's not the case here and this is 9 years after the Saiyan Saga where Vegeta was wanting to rebel against Frieza. He knows he wouldn't be able to do anything to Frieza alone. So killing his loyal second in command for suggesting that they don't kill Nasu because he's still one of them makes no sense. Why not just kill Nasu himself the moment he betrayed instead of asking Nappa to do it when like you said, he already knows they're close?


I see your point that Vegeta despises Radditz for being weak and I think we can agree at least on one thing, that Vegeta values strength over everything.
But you don't consider the whole situation. You forget about the Saiyans pride and the fact, that they are literally soldiers in an army.

From all that we've seen, it would have been uncalled for to interrupt or team up in a death match. The fight between Yamcha and Radditz wasn't over and Vegeta was certainly curious to see who would come out on top. Apart from the betrayal, Gohan had no right to kill Radditz.

Besides, if you are a soldier, loyality and competence are essential for your group's success or failure. That's why Vegeta has little tolerance for disobedience or incompetence. What Vegeta values, are manly virtues that make a good soldier.

Radditz was still not defeated in his own battle and loyal to his group. Nappa didn't follow Vegetas orders. I don't see Vegeta being out of character. 1 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 94
Andy 30 июля
King Kindred was saying:
Sheesh, Vegeta. Hypocrite much? If you still plan on killing Gohan you're now the only Saiyan left. Congratulations on your soon to be short life under Frieza, if you even last that long.


He did the exact same thing in the original timeline. He doesn't care about being the last saiyan. If he did, he would have intended to ressurect his people or wish for a new planet with the namekian dragonballs.

Instead, he aimed for immortality so he could rule the universe. He cares about strength and power, not about his companions. 1 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 94
Andy 28 июля
Philsdesign was saying:
CornBreadtm was saying: Philsdesign was saying:
It's not like they cared when he died in the original timeline. They literally said reviving him was a waste of a wish (it's not like any limits were given) and then repeatedly mocked him and called him a weakling while fighting the humans

Vegeta also didn't exactly care about his planet being wrecked or hearing Frieza killed his father. Heck, he even killed Nappa solely because Goku broke Nappa's spine and he had no use for a cripple (his literal words). There's also him being outraged Gohan saved him from Recoome instead of attacking Recoome

Simply put, saiyans don't exactly put a lot of value on the lives of comrades and if one dies it just means he was a weakling. They were literally joking the only one the humans would kill is Radditz a few pages back. This Vegeta seems to care even less since also let Nappa get hit by a kienzan

When Gohan saves Vegeta from Recoome, Vegeta gets mad at him for wasting his energy and not attacking Recoome. Vegeta is just like that. He doesn't care if the weak are destroyed, even if the weakling is him. He's more upset when time is wasted on weaklings instead of fighting.

I think that's exclusively Vegeta though. Raditz and Nappa don't really mock their opponents for having each others backs. I think it's more realistic to say that Raditz and Nappa likely worked as a team more often than not. I doubt Vegeta ever needed to team up with any one. He never does. First time is what? The Cooler movie! He is "1v1" or bust, he'd rather just sit on the sidelines other wise. Vegeta doesn't actively work as a team with anyone in Dragon Ball.

He does actually show signs of "teamwork".
He warns Nappa before the Kienzan decapitates him, he also wants to quickly kill off everyone before Goku arrives after reading his power and he had no problem killing Guldo mid battle with someone else and deliberately killing blows to the beaten Recoome and Burter



Vegeta was pragmatic there. On Namek, he only attacked those who he judged weaker than himself. Slowly but constantly, he took down one opponent after another. Also on earth, he only wanted to kill everyone after reading Gokus power level. It's because he was concerned that his power could mean a problem.

As long as Nappa was still useful for him and undeafeated in battle, there is no reason for him to let him down. If Krillin had decapited Nappa, it would have been only due to Nappas arrogance and misjudgement and thus, a completely unnecessary loss for Vegeta
Saigo no Son page 93
Andy 27 июля
Gakshin was saying:
Remember that time Gohan insulted his mother and Nappa got all upset? I can see him sympathise with Nasu protecting him own mom.


Nappa and Vegeta probably don't even know that Chichi is Gohan's mom. To them, she's just a random earthling. I'm pretty sure they faced similar situations on other plantes too and they didn't mind killing others in front of their family members.

Also, the scene where Kid Gohan insults Nappas mom is different in other languages. Gohan does insult Nappa's mom in the german version, but in english he doesn't. Nappa is just incredibly loyal to his comrades. He wanted to ressurect Radditz at first, he still didn't forget Vegetas betrayal in DBGT and here, he argues in Gohan's favor although Gohan just killed one of theirs.
Saigo no Son page 93
Andy 26 июля
Hoerrinho was saying:
coolschweiz sagte: Verstehe Vegeta irgennt wie nicht
Er wusste das Gohan ihn verraten könnte, aber seine eigene Fehleinschätzung muss jetzt Nappa für ihn ausbaden
Nappa will nicht und somit muss er jetzt durch Vegeta sterben

Als ob gohan jetzt einfach stirbt. Erstmal stirbt Nappa, egal ob er sich weigert, durch gohan oder weil er gohan nicht besiegen kann und dann durch vegeta


Wahrscheinlich durch Vegeta. Son Gohan und Nappa scheinen eine Verbindung zu haben und Vegeta hat eine ziemlich kurze Hutschnur wenn es um Illoyalität und Inkompetenz geht.
Saigo no Son page 93
Andy 26 июля
You are going to be eliminated first Nappa if you keep going like this
Saigo no Son page 93
Andy 25 июля
"Game Over" pretty much continues where the main story ended. Nice reference
DB Multiverse page 2521
Andy 25 июля
Ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass Nappa noch versucht zu argumentieren. "Nasu sei kein Idiot. Du bist einer von uns!"

Aber da er nicht der Hellste ist, dürfte das eh nichts ändern. Spätestens mit seiner Befehlunsverweigerung hat Son Gohan die rote Linie endgültig überschritten
Saigo no Son page 92
Andy 25 июля
Philsdesign was saying:
Cosmichero was saying: 仅是剑客 was saying: The Gohan's character is weird, like he didn't know conquer Earth meant he would have to fight against his mother.

I think Gohan blocked out the memories he had on Earth, as a defense mechanism so he could survive in a world where he needed to commit atrocities or die.

He knew where he came from, but his feeling and memories only came back when he heard his mother.

That still doesn't make sense

Gohan couldn't stand his mom (literally asked if he could live with Bulma post Namek) and barely had any bond with his father (by the age of 16 Goku was absent for over 10 years). Both barely knew or cared for Gohan, Chichi was the definition of a tiger mom who made him study 24/7 without caring what he actually wanted and Goku a deadbeat who viewed Gohan as a mini him and again didn't care about his interests (the only actual time they ever spent together was training)

The true parental figure was Piccolo. In every adaptation this is shown and he is the one that effectively raised Gohan to be who he grew into

That never happened here, Nappa took that role and raised him to be a bloodthirsty killer, empathy and emotions are weak and so on.

Nasu doing a 180 like this makes no sense unless he either says he'll do it faster, plans to steal leadership from Vegeta (so be a true saiyan) or just goes full Omniman and says Earth isn't theirs to conquer


Are you actually serious? What 4-years-old does NOT love his parents and looks for their affection and recognition? Gohan was literally kidnapped at the age of 4 by his abusive uncle and saw his father got brutally beaten up.

It's perfectly normal for a teenage boy, who was seperated from his parents by force, to act exactly like Gohan does in this scenario.
Saigo no Son page 92
Andy 25 июля
Herp Derp was saying:
Wonder where this is going to put Nappa, his loyalty is 100% split here. I wonder if he'll have a Piccolo moment if Vegeta decides to kill Nasu.


Nah, Nappa is Vegetas lapdog 1 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 92
Andy 24 июля
Vegeta wird nach dieser offenen Meuterei eingreifen und es kommt zum epischen Kampf um das Schicksal der Erde. Wäre geil, wenn er ähnlich intensiv wird wie zwischen Son Goku und Vegeta.

Bislang ein ziemlich cooler Comic.
Saigo no Son page 92
Andy 24 июля
That's not something I would have expected from Vegeta. But it still something that fits his character. Good job
Saigo no Son page 92
Andy 23 июля
Ich bin mir sicher, dass das hier das Ende des Kapitels ist. Das wäre aus Sicht der Autoren ein super Moment für einen Cliffhanger.

Fragen über Fragen... Ich dachte zuerst, dass mit der Finsternis XXI gemeint ist. Er hat seinen Wunsch erfüllt bekommen und mampft die ganze Arena in Bruchteilen einer Sekunde auf.

Aber es gibt zu viele Dinge, die noch zu klären wären, zum Beispiel die Theorie des Zeitstopps durch Süd. In dem Fall wären C17 und C18 ja nicht davon betroffen und Vegetto würde erneut auf die gleiche Weise massakriert wie IKL. Zwei mal dasselbe fände ich ein bisschen lame um ehrlich zu sein.

Und wurde XXI sein Wunsch überhaupt erfüllt oder sehen wir nur den Schock von Gast über dessen Wunsch? Als Namekianer müsste er diesen ja verstanden und gehört haben. Die haben ja so gute Ohren.

Und wen will Süd eigentlich nach Hause schicken? Freezer und seiner Handlanger? C17 und C18? Vegetto?
DB Multiverse page 2520
Andy 23 июля
Kururun was saying:
Majin Wasabi was saying: He was waiting for an excuse to fight XXI he is still salty that XXI beat him so cheaply

Why did he refuse to kill XXI for old Kaioshin and chose to eat XXI's hell senzu instead?


Because he was hungry and doesn't seem to bother. XXI tried to corrupt him but Vegetto just ate the senzu and decided to kill him anyways. That's pretty dark for a "hero".

I wonder what that darkness means. My first thought was, that XXI got his wish granted and now he's about to "blitz-devour" everything and all that he can.
We'll see...
DB Multiverse page 2520
Andy 23 июля
Wow, that escalated quickly!
DB Multiverse page 2520
Andy 23 июля
Picoz was saying:
Vegetas Reaktion hier ist out of character. Ich denke realistischer wäre gewesen, dass Radditz's Tod ihn relativ kalt lässt. Er hat ja schließlich in der original timeline eigenhändig Nappa getötet nur weil der sich nicht gegen Goku durchsetzen konnte.


Vegeta hat Nappa aus einem anderen Grund getötet. Er hat ihm einen klaren Befehl gegeben, sich aus dem Kampf zurückzuziehen. Nappa hat den Befehl ignoriert und es war auch nicht das erste mal, dass Vegeta sich bei Nappa wiederholen musste, wie zum Beispiel das Einhalten der 3-stündigen Waffenruhe.

Selbst als Nappa's Wirbelsäule gebrochen wurde, hätte Vegeta einfach eine der beiden Raumkapseln rufen können und Nappa auf einen Planten mit Heiltsnk schicken können.

Er hat Nappa für seinen Ungehorsam und seine Inkompetenz getötet. Auch wenn Radditz von seinen eigenen Leuten als Schwächling gehänselt wurde, war er dennoch loyal gegenüber der Truppe und hat sich nützlich gemacht. Also macht es durchaus Sinn, dass Vegeta wütend ist.
Saigo no Son page 91
Andy 23 июля
Philsdesign was saying:
SoyBear was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: Rey Vegeta was saying: Gohan/Nasu had several reasons to kill Raditz. Do not forget page 20

To be fair Raditz might be the only reason Gohan survived.

Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but there's something off about Vegeta's reaction. Like he's more shocked than angry..?

This is a Vegeta who would kill his comrades as well if they're losing badly (like Nappa). If Nasu/Gohan really wanted I bet he could pass this off as killing the weakest of their group and Vegeta would be okay.

He killed Nappa because Goku broke his back and in response Vegeta just killed him and said he had no use for a crippled saiyan

Basically a weak Saiyan is a useless one in their eyes. So all Nasu has to do is shove Chichi aside and say he thought they no longer needed a saiyan so weak he was losing to humans and then threw a tantrum and instead attacked a weaker group (which for a Gohan that never met Piccolo and spent a decade wiping out planets makes infinitely more sense then suddenly siding with Chichi, who in canon he wanted nothing to do with around the saiyan saga, which are Nasu's last memories of her)


Vegeta could've gotten Nappa into his spacebod and having him sent to one of Friezas planets for a healing tank.

He didn't kill Nappa for being paralyzed, at least, that wasn't his only motivation. The same Vegeta killed a saibaman for failing against Tien and he threatened the others to do the same to them. It was incompetence and disobedience that Vegeta wouldn't tolerate.

There was no reason for Vegeta to get rid of Radditz. He wasn't the most competent of the group, but he was disciplined (obedient) and still useful.
Gohan/Nasu however literally just killed one of his own kind, at least in Vegetas and Nappas Eyes. So of course he's furious.
Saigo no Son page 91
Andy 22 июля
Oh boy, this isn't ging to end well. No matter what Gohan says, there is no way that Vegeta will accept it 1 Replie(s)
Saigo no Son page 91
Andy 22 июля
kcheeb was saying:
happywarrior99 was saying: felfury88 was saying: Guys!! Gohan is going to destroy a dragon ball to prevent it from being used!!U1 Porunga was already summoned, thus I think that it would be too late for Gohan to try to prevent XXI's wish. The only way Gohan could prevent XXI's wish is if Gohan murders U1 Mori, but it would be out of character for Gohan to murder Mori.

Besides, what in-universe reason would Gohan currently have to destroy a Dragon Ball when Gohan does not know yet that XXI is evil?

Gast did not tell Gohan any information about XXI. Old Kai did not tell Gohan any information about XXI, thus Gohan does not know enough about XXI besides that XXI is a spellcaster who can use hax powers and whose true form looks like a living shadow. Gohan does not know yet that XXI has evil minions.

I think that the wish that Gohan is going to prevent is probably someone else's wish, not XXI's wish.
Maybe Gohan can kill porunga like piccolo daimao killed shenron


It would still be out of character for Gohan to kill Porunga. Apart from Vegetto, I can't think of anyone else that woud do such a thing. Besides, we don't even know exactly what Bardock's Vision means. It could be someone else destroying the dragonballs and Gohan later picking one of them up.

Also, Piccolo will eventually state that the entire multiverse is in danger. XXI will probably get his wish and then vanish all of s sudden. That's the smart thing for him to do and would fit his character.
DB Multiverse page 2519
Andy 21 июля
Saso was saying:
Hi, i was asked to post my attempt at decrypting this thing :D

From Minicomic 105 we get this words, they have the same third context character, and both words are in plural, we can assume that without it they would be "my/mine" and "person" respectively.
XXI starts his wish with the "our" characters without the last one, so in this context its probably "My" then comes the "will to" character and a mix between all realms(probably multiverse?) and then some OC characters.

It could be written "My wish is that the multiverse XXX XXXX" too.

At the end the blank characters i guess mean something like "to be+accessible" but it's literally impossible to know without another minicomic or Salagir comment on it lol

What do you guys think?


That's a good take and I see that the first and last symbol of the red marked text are the same. It's also used by Piccolo in the first panel of https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/strip-105.html "I see ... I know who you are". That circle with the diagonale could translate to "I" or "me/my", depending on the context.

Adding this, I think XXI's wish would be "I want the multiverse to be accessible to ME and all MY remnants. Can YOU do that?" The last "you" could be adressed to Porunga directly 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2519
Andy 21 июля
ZenBuu was saying:
Xeno Gogeta Jr. sagte: ZidaneTribal sagte: Kann jemand übersetzen?
Ich hab’s versucht. Ich komme bei „Steige empor, Porunga und …“ raus. Ab da gibt es leider unbekannte Symbole :/
Ich frage mich, wie du darauf jetzt genau kommst? Polunga wurde längst beschwören...

Einige Leute im englischen Bereich haben sich mal die Mühe gemacht das irgendwie, Mithilfe von diesem Minicomic, richtig zu übersetzen (nur auf Englisch).



Sprich, der Wunsch lautet ungefähr:

Ich will das Multiversum ..... .....!

Die Struktur des Satzes mag sich später eventuell noch ändern, schauen wir mal. Aber das sollte als grobe Übersetzung vorerst passen. So wie der Wunsch aber jetzt gerade strukturiert ist, klingt es nicht so, als würde XXI seine "Verbündeten" mit einbeziehen. In diesem Falle scheint er nur über sich selbst zu sprechen.

Optilux sagte: Bin schon lange nicht mehr hier gewesen.:-)

Tolle Seite! Ich hab so das Gefühl dass er sich was anderes gewünscht hat als dass was er den Anderen gesagt hat...
Hallo Optilux!

Schau mal bei den gemeldeten Kommentaren rein. Da sind einige auf französisch die gemeldet wurden, wo ich mich aber nicht einmischen möchte. :P


Ok ich wusste nicht, dass es einen Minicomic mit namekianischer Übersetzung gibt :D
Ich habe mir den mal angeschaut und noch was entdeckt. Leider bin ich nicht der Hellste wenn es um Technik geht. Ich versuche es mal zu umschreiben.

Der rote Bereich beginnt und endet mit dem gleichen Symbol, nämlich dem Kreis mit der Diagonale. Das gleiche Symbol wird im Minicomic bei der Konversation zwischen Piccolo und Kami genutzt "Ich verstehe... Ich weiß wer Du bist"

Das könnte "Ich" heißen, aber auch für "Mir/Meine/Mich" bedeuten, je nach Kontext. Und das "You" am Schluss würde ich als persönliche Anrede an den Drachen interpretieren.

Frei übersetzt könnte der Wunsch also lauten:

"Ich will, dass das Multiversum mir und all meinen Fragmenten zugänglich wird. Kannst Du das?"
DB Multiverse page 2519
Andy 20 июля
ZidaneTribal was saying:
Kann jemand übersetzen?

"Eine Mädchenunterhose"
DB Multiverse page 2519
Andy 20 июля
I knew that Gast and Vegetto would handle it!

But I wonder what South is about to do. Sending everyone home before things get heated?
Anyways, XXI will have his wish granted and judiging the namekinas face, it's something horrible.
DB Multiverse page 2519
Andy 19 июля
Oh weh, das wird Konsequenzen haben. Aber immherin ist Son Goku jetzt gerächt.
Saigo no Son page 90
Andy 19 июля
FishNChips was saying:
If he really is back to his old self, Vegeta still has a joker up his sleeve - create an artificial moon, make Gohan go ape and destroy everything, then erase his memories (somehow).

Also RIP Raditz, you can't just get by without someone breaking through you in any universe :>


Gohan should have been a great ape multiple times now and know how to control that form.
Herp Derp was saying:
It's going to be interesting to see what Nappa does here, despite Nasu/Gohan killing Raditz he probably doesn’t want to attack him.

Wonder if he dies protecting a now returned Gohan.

I think Nappa and Gohan still have a connection, but Vegeta will consider this a treason. He doubted Gohan/Nasu before and when he visited earth in the OTL, he killed Nappa for far less.
Saigo no Son page 90
Andy 18 июля
Ok, damit hat sich meine Frage von der letzten Seite erledigt. XXI wünscht sich was, während seine Handlanger für Chaos sorgen.

Aber allzu viel Zeit haben die nicht. Vegetto und Gast können die mit einer Attacke erledigen und Süd wird alles und jeden nach hause schicken wollen.
DB Multiverse page 2518
Andy 18 июля
PMC was saying:
Unless Vegetto is involved with XXI in this rebellion, he could easily sneeze & squash these low level insects. He already used air pressure to swat Frieza & Coola during the Bra/Cold-yu fiasco. Even in his weakened state, He might only need SSJ1 to handle U13 Vegeta in SSJ3.


I don't think that Vegetto is much weaker than usual. The dark senzu restored a good amount of his power and he just had the opportunity for a feast like never before. And in the only panel of his rampage, he was a SSJ2 who just killed (Ultimate) Gohan.

It's more questionable which side he and Son Bra pick. XXI stated earlier, that he corrupted everyone he could and he intended to use them both.
He probably thinks he got them by being super nice to them (giving Vegetto the dark senzu and granting Son Bra's request for a wish on U19).
DB Multiverse page 2518
Andy 17 июля
Ich frage mich was passiert, wenn die Namekianer von XXI's Wunsch erfahren. Im Moment sieht das Preozedere ja wie folgt aus: XXI äußerst seinen Wunsch laut auf deutsch, dann übersetzen die Namekianer und äußern ihn gegenüber dem Drachen.

Sobald XXI seinen Wunsch äußert, müsste es eigentlich Chaos geben.
DB Multiverse page 2517
Andy 16 июля
I love the oolong reference! I know that he broke through the 4th dimension in the manga as well with the exact same face. It was back when the heros were in Pilaf's prison if I remember correctly. It's also a nice thing that the audience pretty much represents the readers of this comic. Nice job.

supersaiyan2kakarot was saying:
So XXI is keeping his word about granting a wish for universe 19, I really thought he was gonna screw them over here. Guess it doesn't affect his plans in the long run anyway.


Well, all he needs is one wish "Give me the ability to travel through the entire multiverse".

Things are about to get heated 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2517
Andy 16 июля
King Kindred was saying:
Beni-Kujaku was saying: Dicax was saying: "He stopped time to kill me? That sounds like him."

...and is also an ability I, Goku, who is a consummate fighter, recently encountered, and would have spend every moment possible thinking of ways to counter if I actually were Goku instead of a Lt. Worf surrogate.

That's the problem here. The edgelord subverting expectations with the final is one thing (a bad one), but Goku witnessing a technique that destroyed Vegetto and not coming up with even the beginning of a counter isn't Dragon Ball. Hell, the first part of this fight was exactly that. So Goku saw Vegetto lose to one thing and thought "I must be prepared for that" and then saw Vegetto lose to another and was like "I'm going to break from my character entirely and not even attempt to learn anything this time". Buuu.

The difference is Goku didn't see the spell happen (instantaneous, no actual spell or movement by XXI...), and didn't know XXI could do that. There's a difference between being prepared for an ability of your opponent, and being prepared for every single ability one has encountered in one's life at any given moment, and there is a difference between having two days to prepare against a technique you know everything about and having a few hours to prepare against a technique you don't know basically anything about.

Except that Piccolo literally says that he felt the same wave that he felt when I'K'L used it, meaning that the time stop isn't instantaneous and moves like a wave. Super Saiyan 0 Goku, after already experiencing once, would've also sensed the wave before it touched him and reacted accordingly.

The whole point of him being in SS0 was so he wouldn't get caught off guard by XXI.


It wouldn't have made a difference. Even if Goku would have senced the the same waves as Piccolo, he would have been affected by the time stop eventually. We haven't seen a downside to this technique. Instead, IKL seemed to have all the time and power in the world during his time stop. So Goku would have lost to this ability anyways.




DhangerShanger was saying:
Why didn't Goku recognize the wave, anyway? I get that you probably couldn't do anything about it, since the time when it hits you is, you know, presumably also the point when you become frozen, which would render you unable to do anything about it as soon as you get the opportunity to perceive it, but regardless, why didn't he realize what it was after time resumed, like Piccolo? Did he just forget...?

siksteen was saying: ZenBuu was saying:
Because of what was said on page 2061.

I still hope we get some kind of explanation to this though.
I don't think that makes the DBs special, only the Varga tech that operates the inter-universal travel. It's kind of a way to prevent other universes from ever finding out how to do it. That's how they handled U4 Buu, right?
We see on page 1917 where they make that point (the whole chapter actually).

Not sure how that works along XII's plan, but I guess we'll see.
It's not the tech itself, as Buu was able to copy it perfectly on an atomic level, yet he is still completely incapable of operating it; it is specifically when an entity from U1 interacts with universe hopping technology that it will, like magic, suddenly just work. It seems to be a property of universe 1 itself, and those that lack this property simply have no way of initiating multiversal travel by themselves, for whatever reason that may be.

...Well, besides time travel, which is an actual, real exception to this apparent rule, though we still know practically nothing about this whole subject.


No one has seen this coming and XXI literally hold his hands folded in his cloak. Unlike IKL, how had to perfom a bis gesture, XXI probably put his thumbs together. He takes no risks after all.
DB Multiverse page 2516
Andy 15 июля
Mugetsu was saying:
Hoerrinho sagte: Ich verstehe mugetsu.
Dass er gestorben ist nimmt er zwar sportlich, aber dadurch dass er über xxi aufgeklärt wurde hätte er anders reagieren müssen, weil der Schurke dadurch gewonnen und sein Ziel erreicht hat.

ABer wurde er wirklich aufgeklärt? Oder nur gewarnt dass er gefährlich ist? Denn auch vor dem Kampf war er dafür viel zu freundlich finde ich, als dass er ihn als Schurke wahr nimmt.

Ich glaube er hat ihn nur als Trickreichen Gegner gesehen, der schwer zu besiegen ist, wahr genommen, aber nicht als Bösewicht

@Andy

Danke für euer Feedback.

Das ist ne gute Frage. Ich denke aber Der alte kaioshin hat alle Helden aufgeklärt aber ich weiß die Seiten nicht mehr. Es war die Rückblende. Er hatte auch Gast informiert doch der war auch eher gelassen „weil sich XXI an die Regeln hält“ lol


Ich finde deinen Hinweis auf Gast sehr gut. Denn gerade er, der XXI's wahre Gestalt am eigenen Leib erfahren hat und sonst so stoisch und rechtsschaffend ist, ist meiner Meinung nach viel zu passiv. Seine Rolle in diesem Spiel ist mehr out of character als jeder andere.
DB Multiverse page 2516
Andy 14 июля
Mugetsu was saying:
Andy sagte: Mugetsu sagte: Ok..Son Gokus Reaktion lässt auch zu wünschen übrig..

4 Dragon Ball Sets? Wurde mal erwähnt dass es 4 sind? Dann lässt sich ja der Wunsch von jedem Teilnehmer erfüllen xD

Wie hätte Son Goku sonst reagieren sollen? Als er gegen Radditz und Cell getötet wurde, hat er das ziemlich sportlich genommen. Gegen Cell sogar viel zu sportlich wenn man bedenkt, dass er Meister Kaio mit in den Tod gerissen hat.


Schlechter Vergleich und ein komplett anderer Kontext. Beide Male agierte er durchdacht und mit Aufopferung.

Son Goku mag naiv sein aber wenn andere in Gefahr sind erkennt er den Ernst der Lage an. Der Alte Kaioshin hat ihn über XXI aufgeklärt und dennoch nimmt er die Niederlage mit Leichtigkeit hin.

Es geht also nicht darum dass er gestorben ist, sondern weil er wissen sollte was auf dem Spiel steht. Und deswegen ist seine Reaktion (also gar keine zu seiner Niederlage) out of character.

Das ist ein unsinniger Charakterbruch nur um den Plot dahin zu lenken wo Salagir ihn will bzw. braucht.


Ok, Du hast Recht damit, dass die anderen Tode von Son Goku einen ganz anderen Kontext hatten. Aber dennoch: Wie hättest Du Dir seine Reaktion vorgestellt? Wir haben Son Goku nicht oft verlieren oder gar sterben sehen. Mir fällt außer seinem Versagen gegen Majin Vegeta keine andere Situation ein, die hierzu passen würde. Und da wurde er "nur" K.O geschlagen und nicht getötet.
DB Multiverse page 2516
Andy 14 июля
Mugetsu was saying:
Ok..Son Gokus Reaktion lässt auch zu wünschen übrig..

4 Dragon Ball Sets? Wurde mal erwähnt dass es 4 sind? Dann lässt sich ja der Wunsch von jedem Teilnehmer erfüllen xD


Wie hätte Son Goku sonst reagieren sollen? Als er gegen Radditz und Cell getötet wurde, hat er das ziemlich sportlich genommen. Gegen Cell sogar viel zu sportlich wenn man bedenkt, dass er Meister Kaio mit in den Tod gerissen hat. 3 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2516
Andy 13 июля
It is really important to me to see Goku's reaction to all of this and I cannot think of another way that he would have reacted on that. At least that part of the final went smooth. I hope I'm not the only one who sees it that way
DB Multiverse page 2516
Andy 12 июля
Autschmenno was saying:
Was wenn XXI jetzt anfängt namekianisch zu sprechen? Müsste er ja können.


Du hast einen guten Punkt getroffen! Ich gehe nicht davon aus, dass er das kann. Wenn XXI den Namekianern seinen Wunsch mitteilt, Zugriff auf alle Multiversen zu bekommen, könnten die Namekianer bedenken äußern. Das würden dann alle mitbekommen und es könnte leicht ein Streit ausbrechen, während Polunga in der Arena chillt.

Es gibt immer noch die Vision von Son Gohan, wo er einen kaputten Dragonball hält. Vielleicht bekommen wir das demnächst zu sehen.
DB Multiverse page 2515
Andy 11 июля
I like this page. It builds up tension and it makes me wonder, which Universe Gast is suspicious of. U13, 14 & 8 are the ones corrupted by XXI.

But XXI also intended to use Vegetto and Son Bra to his advantage. Could it be U16? 2 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2515
Andy 9 июля
Ok, wenn XXI für seinen Wunsch ein neues Set Dragonball bekommt, was wird dann der dritte Wunsch?

Zuerst wird U19 gerettet, dann bekommt XXI Zutritt zu allen Universen. Und was ist mit dem dritten Wunsch?
DB Multiverse page 2514
Andy 9 июля
iron leaf was saying:
Albatross was saying: Alrighty then, I guess we're doing this now.

I know I'm asking, begging for the TFS Frieza treatment, but with yet another "cheap" trick, and XXI and him seeming to be buds... is it finally time for Vegito Rampage..?


Well at least Vegetto will have his belly full. Besides, he still got some of his power restored by eating XXI's Senzu. So he'll be close to full power when he kills Gohan and hopefully a good amount of the others.
DB Multiverse page 2514
Andy 8 июля
SoyBear was saying:
obserwator was saying: Didn't he already make a decision?

Maybe, maybe not. Yeah he killed Raditz but he might be telling everyone, himself included, that it was because Raditz was weak and making a fool of the Sayains.

It's not like Vegeta killed Nappa in the original timeline because he was defending Earth. At least not the first time.


I think it is pretty obvious that he protected his mother and Vegeta will consider this nothing more than treason. I mean c'mon, he's been a literal soldier for almost a decade and he just killed one of his years-long comrades. Even if he will excuse that action as something that he did on instinct, it's pretty obvious what just happened.

I wonder how the eartlings are about to confront Vegeta. Gohan, Tien and Yamcha are exhausted and Nappas wound did not prevent him from taking out 2 of them.
Saigo no Son page 85
Andy 7 июля
Ryu was saying:
Warum hat XXI diese Fähigkeit nicht schon gegen Gast benutzt? Das hätte deutlich weniger Mühe gekostet, selbst wenn er Gast unbedingt „fressen“ wollte, er hätte die Zeit einfach wieder laufen lassen, sobald er Gast komplett in seine Finsternis gehüllt hat… mir fällt grade ein, warum schickt er Goku erst in eine andere Dimension und macht den Zeitstopp nicht sobald er den Ring berührt? Er kann genauso wenig wissen wann Goku wieder erscheint wie er wissen kann wann er angreift… mal ganz davon ab, wer wäre jetzt so unsagbar dämlich die Dragonballs rauszuholen, wenn er weiß dass jemand die Zeit mal eben anhalten kann?


Ich schätze mal, dass XXI sehr methodisch vorgeht und nur so viel von seinen Fähigkeiten preisgibt, wie er muss. Überleg' mal: Wenn der gleiche Trick wie bei Vegetto auch bei Son Goku funktioniert hätte, dann hätte er sich IKL's Trick sparen können und niermand hätte gewusst, dass er das kann.

Und wenn ich den Comic richtig in Erinnerung habe, dann ist XXI erst nach seinem Kampf gegen gast auf die Idee gekommen, IKL's Technik zu kopieren.

Ich frage mich nur, ob es eine Rolle spielt, in welcher Reihenfolge die Wünsche geäußert werden. Zuerst müsste deoch Son Goku wiederbelebt werden, dann U19 gerettet und zum Schluss XXI's Wunsch. Oder vertue ich mich da? Die Reihenfolge könnte eine Rolle dabei spielen, ob unser Held im Endkampf gegen XXI lebt oder nicht. 1 Replie(s)
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Andy 5 июля
Wow, that escalated quickly!
Saigo no Son page 84
Andy 4 июля
Ich hätte einen epischen Kampf erwartet, der dem Finale eines großen Turniers würdig ist. Nicht zu vergessen, dass wir bereits viele geile Kämpfe in DBM gesehen haben. Dieses Ende ist einfach derbe unbefriedigend.

Aber ich frage michtrotzdem, was im Kopf des Süd Kaioshins vor sich geht. Kommt er darauf, dass XXI diese Fähigkeit nur durch den Einsatz anderer Dragonballs erlangen konnte? Und wenn ja, dann verstößt es doch nicht gegen die Regeln des Turniers. Irgendwie passt das alles nicht.
DB Multiverse page 2512
Andy 2 июля
RetroOVER9000 was saying:
GOKUUUUUUUU


Krillin, if his sorry ass bothered coming.

But seriously, this could literally be Tien's multiform technique or an advanced form of Bra's crystal cheat code. I doubt Goku just got one shot. He's freakin' Goku.


To me, it looks like our hero is done for. The trembling, the surprise, the shock on his face...

Not to mention that despite the lack of logic in dbz, wounds like that have always been fatal.

Goku lived only a few minutes after being impaled during his fight with Radditz. Vegeta lived only a few minutes after Frieza literally shot a death bram through his heart.

And knowing XXI, he probably isn't messing around. If he somehow inflicted a wound like that to our hero, he'll make sure that it kills instantly.
DB Multiverse page 2511
Andy 2 июля
Der erinnert mich ein wenig an die Verletzung, die Son Goku im Kampf gegen Piccolo davon getragen hat. Da hatte er auch ein Loch im Körper.

Aber damals hatte Piccolo immerhin alle lebenswichtigen Organe verfehlt. XXI hat seinen Rauch oder was auch immer aus Son Goku austritt direkt ins Herz gepflanzt. Das war's dann wohl mit ihm. 1 Replie(s)
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Andy 2 июля
Wow, that's surprising! I expected a long drawn out fight, just like Gast vs XXI.

But I wonder what exactly that wound is. It looks a bit like XXI's smoke coming out of Goku's chest. Is he somehow infected with whatever XXI consists of? 1 Replie(s)
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Andy 1 июля
Damn! That must be so heart felt memories. I'm really getting more and more into this comic
Saigo no Son page 82
Andy 30 июня
XXI's Shenlong war der Meinung, Son Goku habe keine Schwachstelle. Aber was ist, wenn XXI sich etwas gewünscht hat, das Son Goku eine Schwachstelle geben könnte?

Vielleicht nutzt XXI die gleiche Technik, die Gast benutzt hat, um ZenBuu zu kontrollieren oder Vegetto seiner Kraft zu berauben. Beide waren unaufmerksam für den Moment und das hat Gast ausgenutzt.

Insofern könnte das Einsperren in eine andere Dimension nur dazu da gewesen sein, um Son Goku irgendwie zu beschäftigen

Ryu was saying:
Im letzten Panel sieht Goku endlich mal wieder aus wie Goku, nichts gegen den Zeichenstil, vor allem dem Zeichner, aber in letzter Zeit habe ich es echt vermisst dass Goku und Vegeta einfach nicht so aussehen wie man es gewohnt ist


Ich weiß nicht, ob Son Goku und Vegeta in ihrer "Ultimate" Form nicht so oder etwas anders ausgesehen haben.
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Andy 27 июня
I worry about another thing here. Sure, Goku knows this trick, but Vegetto needed a powerful Kiai that matches his full Super Saiyan energy, to crack the walls.

I wonder whether Goku's aura would be strong enough to do the same. Maybe XXI wished for something like "the same trap tthat Vegetto fell for, but with much stronger barriers so that there es no escape"

But I still assume, that our hero will make it back in time
DB Multiverse page 2509
Andy 24 июня
Oh dear! I thought that something like this would happen. This will be the first peak of this series!
Saigo no Son page 79
Andy 24 июня
Hoerrinho was saying:
Mal unabhängig von allen Theorien:

Goku und vegeta waren doch so schnell im Kampf, dass viele gar nichts mitbekommen haben.

Eigentlich muss er doch jetzt direkt nach dem Boden berühren ihn einfach raustreten, so schnell kann der doch gar keine zauberformel oder so aufsagen.

Aber ich weiß selbst dass das nicht passieren wird, wäre zu kurz :D


Es gibt keine Turnierregel die besagt, dass ein Kämpfer durch verlassen des Rings disqualifiziert wird. Vegeta hat dies in seinem Kampf gegen Call zu seinem Vorteil genutzt. Außerdem hat ZenBuu den Kampf gegen XXI auch verloren, obwohl er sofort angegriffen hat.

Wir wissen außerdem immer noch nicht, was sich XXI von seinem "Dark Shenlong" gewünscht hat
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