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Jade
23 Dezembro 2020
Xyllas estava dizendo:
But our Goku is still our Goku he wont stand idle, knowing him he will most likely try and stop Vegetto himself but get overpowered, only for him and Vegeta do fusion dance to create Gogeta, People needs to remember that Vegetto and Gogeta are quite diffrent beings, Vegetto have more Vegeta in himself, he's dominant one there. While Gogeta (like in GT or even Broly movie) is clearly more Goku. Goku is better fighter then Vegeta and if thats come to the clash between those two i think Gogeta might stand a chance, regardless things wont end nicely.
At least it's what i think might happen it's what Buu hopes for to see action and drama happen after all.
But our Goku is still our Goku he wont stand idle, knowing him he will most likely try and stop Vegetto himself but get overpowered, only for him and Vegeta do fusion dance to create Gogeta, People needs to remember that Vegetto and Gogeta are quite diffrent beings, Vegetto have more Vegeta in himself, he's dominant one there. While Gogeta (like in GT or even Broly movie) is clearly more Goku. Goku is better fighter then Vegeta and if thats come to the clash between those two i think Gogeta might stand a chance, regardless things wont end nicely.
At least it's what i think might happen it's what Buu hopes for to see action and drama happen after all.
Well, in the previous chapters, it was stated to both Goku and Vegeta that even if they fused into Gogeta or became Vegetto, they wouldn't be able to match him in power. Obviously, this is because Vegetto himself isn't just Goku and Vegeta sharing the same headspace. The man is, quite literally, the combination of both Goku and Vegeta as a whole to form a new being. As such, I imagine that the only way they're beating Vegetto is if they somehow manage to either break the Potara's or form SSJ4God Vegetto. That's probably the only way to soundly beat the guy.
Jade
23 Dezembro 2020
Jotaro Kujo estava dizendo:
Jade was saying: If Vegetto really gets stopped from straight-up killing Bra, this'll be confirmation that Salagir really is trying to protect Bra from punishment. She kills all of those people, including her own half-brother, with no remorse and the most she gets is a swift kick to the stomach? C'mon now. She needs to be held accountable for her crap! If Salagir isn't going to show that what Bra did isn't excusable and there is no justification for it, they may as well just remove Bra from the comic altogether. Vegeta, when he originally became a Majin, didn't make excuses for himself and didn't allow anyone else to make excuses for him. He knew what he did and he completely accepted his fate, but not only that, he screwed Babidi in the process too without shifting all the blame over to the wizard.
You have to give Bra the same treatment, since doing otherwise only shows viewers that it's okay to do bad things if you just look innocent enough. Bra needs to face the consequences of her actions, and that won't just be getting alienated by her family, but also likely resulting in her life being taken by her father who warned her once that if she lost control again he would absolutely take care of her. Vegetto knew that he and Bra were both unstable in certain ways and Vegetto tried to help her, but was ultimately unsuccessful because of his nature. As a result, he now has to kill his only surviving child after everything that happened because she let herself be controlled by Babidi.
P.S.: Both U16 & 18 Pans should've been the first ones to lash out at Bra, even if she's about a few degrees stronger than them both. I'd have totally bought it if U16 snaps, goes SSJ2, then flies at Bra with the full expectation of killing her. Of course, Goku would try to step in, only to have one of the other people who lost someone basically just knock him aside. It'd only add to the chaos and show how Bra's actions haven't just hurt her, but a lot of people who have no reason to help her, much less make an effort to keep her alive.
question tho, who do you think didn't help her get through these in her younger years, vegito.
who abandoned her on a piece of floating rock during a supernova, that sure she caused, but unintentionally because she just unlocked a new form she couldn't control, vegito
who was the one who treated her like a threat to everyone, making her fear her own power, allowing more vulnerabilities for babidi to slip in, vegito
who treated her like sub-human garbage and worsened her self-confidence, allowing babidi to take control even further, vegito
if vegito actually acted like a good father and helped to teach and train bra, she wouldn't have done all that, vegito is the one at fault here
also, vegito didn't help bra at all, as we saw a long few chapters back, he left GOHAN to do it, and even then because of how busy he was he couldn't do it. vegito is not only an irresponsible father, but a terrible mentor and trainer
you can't blame bra for not being taught how to control herself, do you expect every single fighter with unimaginable power to suddenly have a grasp on every inch of power they possess? hell no, even then after bra broke free from babidi, she can now control her power, and you wanna know the first thing she does? she blocks a punch, nothing else, doesn't try to fight back, doesn't show any malice, she's just trying to protect herself from her own, insane father trying to murder her for actions she felt immensely guilty for, and your saying that BRA is the one at god-damn fault here?!
You have to give Bra the same treatment, since doing otherwise only shows viewers that it's okay to do bad things if you just look innocent enough. Bra needs to face the consequences of her actions, and that won't just be getting alienated by her family, but also likely resulting in her life being taken by her father who warned her once that if she lost control again he would absolutely take care of her. Vegetto knew that he and Bra were both unstable in certain ways and Vegetto tried to help her, but was ultimately unsuccessful because of his nature. As a result, he now has to kill his only surviving child after everything that happened because she let herself be controlled by Babidi.
P.S.: Both U16 & 18 Pans should've been the first ones to lash out at Bra, even if she's about a few degrees stronger than them both. I'd have totally bought it if U16 snaps, goes SSJ2, then flies at Bra with the full expectation of killing her. Of course, Goku would try to step in, only to have one of the other people who lost someone basically just knock him aside. It'd only add to the chaos and show how Bra's actions haven't just hurt her, but a lot of people who have no reason to help her, much less make an effort to keep her alive.
question tho, who do you think didn't help her get through these in her younger years, vegito.
who abandoned her on a piece of floating rock during a supernova, that sure she caused, but unintentionally because she just unlocked a new form she couldn't control, vegito
who was the one who treated her like a threat to everyone, making her fear her own power, allowing more vulnerabilities for babidi to slip in, vegito
who treated her like sub-human garbage and worsened her self-confidence, allowing babidi to take control even further, vegito
if vegito actually acted like a good father and helped to teach and train bra, she wouldn't have done all that, vegito is the one at fault here
also, vegito didn't help bra at all, as we saw a long few chapters back, he left GOHAN to do it, and even then because of how busy he was he couldn't do it. vegito is not only an irresponsible father, but a terrible mentor and trainer
you can't blame bra for not being taught how to control herself, do you expect every single fighter with unimaginable power to suddenly have a grasp on every inch of power they possess? hell no, even then after bra broke free from babidi, she can now control her power, and you wanna know the first thing she does? she blocks a punch, nothing else, doesn't try to fight back, doesn't show any malice, she's just trying to protect herself from her own, insane father trying to murder her for actions she felt immensely guilty for, and your saying that BRA is the one at god-damn fault here?!
First off, Vegetto did try to help her get control of her powers and for a long time, as indicated by the time he spent with her in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Did he fail? Yes. Did he give up and let Gohan take over? Yes. However, that doesn't excuse Bra of any of the actions that she committed, which is exactly what you're doing by saying that she was "just out of control". You say that Bra did cause a supernova, but in that same breath, you say it's because she did so unintentionally. When, if you read that portion of the comic again, you can see that the supernova happens after getting she gets her ass beat and loses her shit over it. That, in and of itself, is indicative of the fact that Bra has problems and it's on her to deal with them. You can't blame lay the blame solely on Vegetto for the massacre that literally just happened, as that robs Bra of any responsibilty for her actions. It's simply not realistic, considering that she was the one who did it, regardless of what demons she has in her life. She is the one that killed both Gohans, not Vegetto. She killed numerous Piccolo's and not only that, but everyone else while she was drunk on power and didn't regret a single moment of it. She willingly let Babidi control her, which she admits to, and yet you're still making it seem as though Bra is somehow innocent in all of this. None of it makes a lick of actual sense when you consider the context.
Edit: I should also point out that you're gunning for this whole insane, abusive father angle, but Vegetto did make it clear that another outburst like this wouldn't stand. Bra destroyed an entire solar system after letting loose with her anger, causing an immense loss of life that included her own half-brother, Goten. As such, it makes perfect sense that he'd take on the role of the arbiter of punishment after having witnessed first-hand the destruction she was capable of. The fact that she stopped his advance with her hand is, very obviously, seen as her resisting her punishment in his eyes. The guy is very clearly angry and stupidly pissed off since his son was killed TWICE in the same day, not to mention that most of the major damage was caused by Bra going absolutely insane and decimating everyone in her path. So, with that being said, Vegetto's reaction makes perfect sense in a world where a man has a daughter that has wiped out an entire solar system after having a temper tantrum after being beat by a stronger opponent.
Edit#2: If it's not clear, both Vegetto and Bra are at fault for this being the end result, though the bulk of the blame lies more on Bra's shoulder's than Vegetto's.
Edit#3: I say that she "didn't regret a single moment of it" when I meant to say that she didn't hesitate to do any of the things that she did to her friends and family. Which, when you think about it, is actually a lot more messed up than what any of the other Majinized villains and spectators did to everyone else that was around.
Jade
23 Dezembro 2020
If Vegetto really gets stopped from straight-up killing Bra, this'll be confirmation that Salagir really is trying to protect Bra from punishment. She kills all of those people, including her own half-brother, with no remorse and the most she gets is a swift kick to the stomach? C'mon now. She needs to be held accountable for her crap! If Salagir isn't going to show that what Bra did isn't excusable and there is no justification for it, they may as well just remove Bra from the comic altogether. Vegeta, when he originally became a Majin, didn't make excuses for himself and didn't allow anyone else to make excuses for him. He knew what he did and he completely accepted his fate, but not only that, he screwed Babidi in the process too without shifting all the blame over to the wizard.
You have to give Bra the same treatment, since doing otherwise only shows viewers that it's okay to do bad things if you just look innocent enough. Bra needs to face the consequences of her actions, and that won't just be getting alienated by her family, but also likely resulting in her life being taken by her father who warned her once that if she lost control again he would absolutely take care of her. Vegetto knew that he and Bra were both unstable in certain ways and Vegetto tried to help her, but was ultimately unsuccessful because of his nature. As a result, he now has to kill his only surviving child after everything that happened because she let herself be controlled by Babidi.
P.S.: Both U16 & 18 Pans should've been the first ones to lash out at Bra, even if she's about a few degrees stronger than them both. I'd have totally bought it if U16 snaps, goes SSJ2, then flies at Bra with the full expectation of killing her. Of course, Goku would try to step in, only to have one of the other people who lost someone basically just knock him aside. It'd only add to the chaos and show how Bra's actions haven't just hurt her, but a lot of people who have no reason to help her, much less make an effort to keep her alive.
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You have to give Bra the same treatment, since doing otherwise only shows viewers that it's okay to do bad things if you just look innocent enough. Bra needs to face the consequences of her actions, and that won't just be getting alienated by her family, but also likely resulting in her life being taken by her father who warned her once that if she lost control again he would absolutely take care of her. Vegetto knew that he and Bra were both unstable in certain ways and Vegetto tried to help her, but was ultimately unsuccessful because of his nature. As a result, he now has to kill his only surviving child after everything that happened because she let herself be controlled by Babidi.
P.S.: Both U16 & 18 Pans should've been the first ones to lash out at Bra, even if she's about a few degrees stronger than them both. I'd have totally bought it if U16 snaps, goes SSJ2, then flies at Bra with the full expectation of killing her. Of course, Goku would try to step in, only to have one of the other people who lost someone basically just knock him aside. It'd only add to the chaos and show how Bra's actions haven't just hurt her, but a lot of people who have no reason to help her, much less make an effort to keep her alive.
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If anyone wants to defend Bra, at least do so in good faith and consider all of the objective facts of the story. It's clear that even with mind control, it likely would've been a matter of time until Bra flew off the handle when she transformed to SSJ2 or even SSJ3. Especially so when you consider how she reacted to getting her ass beat when she and the rest of her family went out to protect the cosmos, which ultimately ended in Goten's death. A death that, need I remind you, she didn't show much remorse or regret about. As a matter of fact, I find it odd that in this fan-based parody of DBZ, Goten isn't more distrusting or angry at Bra for having murdered him when she went SSJ2. But I suppose we can just chalk that up to Salagir's god-awful writing.
In any case, I'm pretty sure that Bra isn't going to face any consequences nor is she going to really feel remorse for what she did if the whole "how low is your opinion of me" thing is any indication. I mean, for fuck's sake...the girl literally bisects the one person that thought there was hope for her and she doesn't seem to understand why her father would see her as a literal monster. I mean, even Vegeta never went as far as to act as though he was entirely blameless in the things he did when he was Majinized or when he was with Frieza. So, I really don't get why Salagir bothered to make it seem as though that Vegito's comments are super mean.