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I made the dialogue a little better to the best of my abilities but the problem with it is that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, contextually.
I wrote down the errors in a txt file...so here...
— Errors with the dialogue -
So first of all, it feels compact, I can tell because it automatically skips their response to Vegeta claiming he is not needed.
That claim alone should have a reaction. Moving on from that, what Tien says also feels compact and rushed to move the plot along to the battle because it makes no sense for him to comment on Yamcha doing it along, it feels unnecessary, then he goes on to tell Chiaotzu and Krillin to stick together immediately after. That's a separate dialogue piece.
Realistically it should be more like...
"It's four against four! So it evens out to four fights!"
"You're joking right? You seriously think I'll stoop as low as fighting you insects? Ahahaha! The others will do the job just fine."
Yamcha gets a little annoyed at the claim, stating something along the lines of "The hell do you mean stoop as low? We're a lot stronger then we look."
There should be a quick but simple short & sweet conversation proceeding this where it ends in Tien saying to Yamcha "It's better this way, if we can make things easier on ourselves, there's no reason to take a risk that's unnecessary."
Then Yamcha decides to go after Raditz's brother.
The following natural dialogue should be Tien showing a bit of leadership.. "Chiaotzu, Krillin, stick together." then him stating who he's going to go after UNLESS Tien isn't revealing who he's fighting yet.
Also, Krillin's tense posture and face does not represent the dialogue. "You're underestimating us." If Krillin is this fearful of their power like last time, he should be fine with teaming up with chiaotzu.
So remove that and replace his dialogue with just. "In that case. We'll take care of the big one."
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that is true, he really isn't fat tbh. Thing is they dont know anything about Nappa, who would say he is a big oaf? I mean thats an assumption of a matter of knowing the character behind the appearance.
The easiest one to say he is "big" that's it. Because for all they could know, he could be wicked smart. So It's "better" but not the best.
Literally "big one" simplest is probably best tbh
Saigo no Son page 48
I made the dialogue a little better to the best of my abilities but the problem with it is that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, contextually.
I wrote down the errors in a txt file...so here...
— Errors with the dialogue -
So first of all, it feels compact, I can tell because it automatically skips their response to Vegeta claiming he is not needed.
That claim alone should have a reaction. Moving on from that, what Tien says also feels compact and rushed to move the plot along to the battle because it makes no sense for him to comment on Yamcha doing it along, it feels unnecessary, then he goes on to tell Chiaotzu and Krillin to stick together immediately after. That's a separate dialogue piece.
Realistically it should be more like...
"It's four against four! So it evens out to four fights!"
"You're joking right? You seriously think I'll stoop as low as fighting you insects? Ahahaha! The others will do the job just fine."
Yamcha gets a little annoyed at the claim, stating something along the lines of "The hell do you mean stoop as low? We're a lot stronger then we look."
There should be a quick but simple short & sweet conversation proceeding this where it ends in Tien saying to Yamcha "It's better this way, if we can make things easier on ourselves, there's no reason to take a risk that's unnecessary."
Then Yamcha decides to go after Raditz's brother.
The following natural dialogue should be Tien showing a bit of leadership.. "Chiaotzu, Krillin, stick together." then him stating who he's going to go after UNLESS Tien isn't revealing who he's fighting yet.
Also, Krillin's tense posture and face does not represent the dialogue. "You're underestimating us." If Krillin is this fearful of their power like last time, he should be fine with teaming up with chiaotzu.
So remove that and replace his dialogue with just. "In that case. We'll take care of the big one."
— --
mAc Chaos napisał:
goten-kun was saying: Actually, I don't want to say Nappa is idiot. Just "big" or "fat".
I think he is fat, yes. He is ripped yes, but, we can say he is fat.^^
Big oaf is better.
I think he is fat, yes. He is ripped yes, but, we can say he is fat.^^
Big oaf is better.
that is true, he really isn't fat tbh. Thing is they dont know anything about Nappa, who would say he is a big oaf? I mean thats an assumption of a matter of knowing the character behind the appearance.
The easiest one to say he is "big" that's it. Because for all they could know, he could be wicked smart. So It's "better" but not the best.
Literally "big one" simplest is probably best tbh
WongTing
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Bunga napisał:
Hello there!
Hope you're enjoying this chapter so far!
So, some notes I would like to add on this Perfect Cell design:
— I really like the original DBZ design, there's literally nothing I would change to him, but as you already mentioned, this one doesn't have Frost Demon's DNA so he needed to atleast look different.
— I tried to maintain his main features, because he is indeed is own being, so that I didn't change, his head, the wings, his anatomy (mainly), the spots, and so on.
— I removed the glass like shiny parts in his head, torso and legs, and instead it's an armoured type carcass let's say. The orange parts is to resemble the namekian pink muscles. He doesn't have any white skin, because that's clearly from the Frost Demons, and so he his all green. You don't see on this image, but he still has his long tail (I like him more with a long tail, it has nothing to do with absorption, just an artistic option)
— and finally, before you mention, this design and color scheme was decided waaaay before Dragon Ball Super Hero movie was even a thing
That's basically all, hope you like the final outcome me and Salagir came up with!
Fun fact: this page is the one Gast is reading on the cover of the chapter
See ya around !
Hope you're enjoying this chapter so far!
So, some notes I would like to add on this Perfect Cell design:
— I really like the original DBZ design, there's literally nothing I would change to him, but as you already mentioned, this one doesn't have Frost Demon's DNA so he needed to atleast look different.
— I tried to maintain his main features, because he is indeed is own being, so that I didn't change, his head, the wings, his anatomy (mainly), the spots, and so on.
— I removed the glass like shiny parts in his head, torso and legs, and instead it's an armoured type carcass let's say. The orange parts is to resemble the namekian pink muscles. He doesn't have any white skin, because that's clearly from the Frost Demons, and so he his all green. You don't see on this image, but he still has his long tail (I like him more with a long tail, it has nothing to do with absorption, just an artistic option)
— and finally, before you mention, this design and color scheme was decided waaaay before Dragon Ball Super Hero movie was even a thing
That's basically all, hope you like the final outcome me and Salagir came up with!
Fun fact: this page is the one Gast is reading on the cover of the chapter
See ya around !
What does Super Hero have to do with anything. 2 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
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Why does Go-...Nasu seem tense here? It makes no contextual sense for him to be tense.
Saigo no Son page 47
WongTing
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Brunom napisał:
Man, Gohan looks so good here, brings me back to his peak in character during the Android saga
You mean the peak they fucked up? The one that made zero sense.
Nah fam. That ain't it. That saga was an utter mess.
WongTing
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Dislpay name napisał:
The battle of the stunted, who will win? The earthlings with no divine training whatsoever or the saiyans that are still under the boot of Freeza.
I think it's obvious from a narrative perspective and not neccesarily a powerscaling perspective that the earthlings are inferior, why else add in that scene showing tension between Nasu and Vegeta? There's a weakness to exploit and there should be a reason to exploit the weakness meaning the fight will be a boring stomp without it.
Also Goten-kun's art has increased in quality drastically, this looks like a proper drawing unlike a couple years ago where it still looked like a child drew the pages.
I think it's obvious from a narrative perspective and not neccesarily a powerscaling perspective that the earthlings are inferior, why else add in that scene showing tension between Nasu and Vegeta? There's a weakness to exploit and there should be a reason to exploit the weakness meaning the fight will be a boring stomp without it.
Also Goten-kun's art has increased in quality drastically, this looks like a proper drawing unlike a couple years ago where it still looked like a child drew the pages.
Couldn't have said it better myself, this is exactly what I've been trying to say. Battle of the stunted indeed.
WongTing
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Pizzachu napisał:
TruzzieArt was saying: This is terrible lol it has to be a gag script
The story is inspired by Mexican shitposts from when Dragon Ball Super was airing
The story is inspired by Mexican shitposts from when Dragon Ball Super was airing
It's more than just inspired, it literally IS based off of those shitposts. This entire story was a gag.
WongTing
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Gunbuster napisał:
Either these androids are far weaker than #19 or Gohan is far stronger than Vegeta and Piccolo.
Especially since in this universe,Krillin and Gohan never got their Guru power up or warning to train by Trunks so they shouldn't be anywhere near the level they were at the start of the Android saga.
Even if Gohan spent the time between his suppossed death and now training in the gravity room at x500, I don't think he'd be at the level of Vegeta, especially since he'd only be able to lean on Krillin for training advice. Only Goku and Krillin remained post Namek on this universe and Goku died long before the androids showed up and there's no chance that ChiChi let him train with Goku as shown every chance they got.
Especially since in this universe,Krillin and Gohan never got their Guru power up or warning to train by Trunks so they shouldn't be anywhere near the level they were at the start of the Android saga.
Even if Gohan spent the time between his suppossed death and now training in the gravity room at x500, I don't think he'd be at the level of Vegeta, especially since he'd only be able to lean on Krillin for training advice. Only Goku and Krillin remained post Namek on this universe and Goku died long before the androids showed up and there's no chance that ChiChi let him train with Goku as shown every chance they got.
True that those events pushed them as far as they did but its that exact reason why the Androids are as weak as they are, and because of that exact reason, I also think they've been training since those events wondering "what if Vegeta or someone like him comes back" meaning, there's no way they just stopped training. Maybe they weren't as intensive of course, but I think Gero is actually much more underprepared then any of us realize.
To what extent is the real question. It's possible that Gero has 0 idea of Super Saiyan here as well, thus giving them a major upper hand, esp with Gast
WongTing
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Ellie napisał:
SpanishSebas was saying: Andy was saying: Chaozu dies first. He is about to get blasted by any of the four. Without Piccolo and Goku, the earthlings are dead meat.
Hahahaha, no. No matter what, Chiaotzu should at the very least, be able to destroy Raditz with little to no problems.
Nah it'd be amusing if Nasu took him out without a word setting the tone perfectly.
Hahahaha, no. No matter what, Chiaotzu should at the very least, be able to destroy Raditz with little to no problems.
Nah it'd be amusing if Nasu took him out without a word setting the tone perfectly.
I agree.
Cosmichero napisał:
Yeah I don't think any of the Saiyans got stronger over the years except for Gohan.
I disagree. Even if Gohan outright played by their rules, there's no way he didn't have any outbursts. I mean Gohan was known for being exceptionally powerful, It would be TRUE that yes most of his power he gained fast was due to the events in the original material that pushed him as quickly as he did, however I believe they must be somewhat mildly stronger here.
But I don't think any of them are close to Ginyu Force level. Far from it.
The Zfighters are toast here, goodbye Earth. Unless we see Baba bring Goku back down for a day as a shocking "twist" and then he comes to fight the Saiyans. I doubt Gohan will immediately recognize him but its definitely possible for his memory to eventually be jogged back.
WongTing
31 Marca
Your nickel napisał:
How was Gohan handling three Androids by himself in base on the last page? Unless he was made an Android himself, that is
I know his eyes were black in last page but what's confusing is his hair wasn't black last page. So maybe there was an error and they forgot something? Maybe somehow he was calm in SS form but just isn't as strong.
Something like "calm" in a form like SSJ doesn't necessarily mean you'll be ridiculous strong, just have good mastery over the form. That being said, I highly doubt it, it is confusing.
Maybe they were going easy cause they didn't think Go- Captain Chicken was any form of strength. Also remember, these androids aren't as strong as the original show, like not even close.
Edit: Just wanna point out, the facial features is clearly Gohan, I mean come on guys, look at em, compare em to Buu Saga Gohan. Here he has similar facial structure but some of it is only slightly different because of his age, you can tell what parts make him look younger but what resemble Buu Saga Gohan.
My final guess IS Gohan is alive and that's him. Is he an Android tho? No. I don't think so. That's my final guess...so if I turn out to be wrong...uh..feel free to gloat? Ig? Idk.
Royaken napisał:
Zol was saying: Guys, there is a possibility that Gohan is an Android, specifically the Android they defeated.
Gero may want to experiment on Gohan after breaking into his house, if Gohan became an Android it would explain why he became so much stronger
If Krillin managed to defeat him, perhaps bringing Gohan to their side through words, It would explain everything, so Krillin and Gohan faked their death, while Gohan pretends to be someone else through the chicken man.
Any training Gohan does after that wouldn't announce that he's alive, because he would be an android, no one can feel his ki, so so eventually he discovering the ssj with training being an android would be easy, Gero wouldn't know.
Gohan also wouldn't get weak over the years, because Bulma would be there to do the maintenance, in fact it's possible that he'll get stronger through Bulma.
Of course this is a theory, but if Gohan is an android a lot of things make sense, I'm not 100% sure about it, but I think it's a valid possibility.
Food for thought here, as this does beg the question: CAN a Saiyan converted to an Android even achieve super saiyan? Since it's a biological thing that has to do with a Saiyans genetic makeup, would it even still be possible after such a drastic change to their body/insides?
Hmm, hmm.
Gero may want to experiment on Gohan after breaking into his house, if Gohan became an Android it would explain why he became so much stronger
If Krillin managed to defeat him, perhaps bringing Gohan to their side through words, It would explain everything, so Krillin and Gohan faked their death, while Gohan pretends to be someone else through the chicken man.
Any training Gohan does after that wouldn't announce that he's alive, because he would be an android, no one can feel his ki, so so eventually he discovering the ssj with training being an android would be easy, Gero wouldn't know.
Gohan also wouldn't get weak over the years, because Bulma would be there to do the maintenance, in fact it's possible that he'll get stronger through Bulma.
Of course this is a theory, but if Gohan is an android a lot of things make sense, I'm not 100% sure about it, but I think it's a valid possibility.
Food for thought here, as this does beg the question: CAN a Saiyan converted to an Android even achieve super saiyan? Since it's a biological thing that has to do with a Saiyans genetic makeup, would it even still be possible after such a drastic change to their body/insides?
Hmm, hmm.
Well remember, 17 & 18 were actually Cyborgs, not Androids. Everyone has been assuming Gohan was converted, based off of NOTHING dare I say. There's no actual place to assume he was converted. "But the lie!" Yes ...that's it. They just lied, that Gohan was dead. Cyborg? MAYBE but we end up with the same issue we're having right now...
And what's that? You're assuming things. Assumptions are wrong, they cause rumors, and false information, false conclusions. Let's wait and see, we have little to no information to deduce anything, other than that this HAS to be Gohan...but again, still assumptions, just with evidence. 2 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
31 Marca
Okay, its about time, this was dragged on a little too much, a lot of dialogue going on, but nothing important actually happening or purposeful. Dialogue serves a purpose and when you use it to convey stuff that can easily be assumed based on Story indicators and action, its just a waste of time to do.
Last few pages could easily be summed up in a page. Dialogue needs to move WITH the story, not against it. 2 pages would've been more than enough for what we've had since page 38. I mean even Dragon Ball itself suffered from this problem, but it did usually let the dialogue play a purpose.
In the original events, there was at least a joke about Krillin "training to make up for his height." Which was, fine but it didn't overstay it's welcome.
Even reading this with all the pages together its still too much. Simply put, if you want them to have dialogue of "having caught up with each other." It should be simple, short, and sweet.
Regardless, glad we're finally getting to the battle now.
Of course? It's not Trunks? .-. Couldn't be, he exists only within Bulma and Vegetables.
Its a good name tho u are right, it doesn't feel too out of ordinary (for DB anyway) and rolls of the tongue pretty well. They've had ten years to get their relationship right this time, so it sounds like they did
Saigo no Son page 42
Last few pages could easily be summed up in a page. Dialogue needs to move WITH the story, not against it. 2 pages would've been more than enough for what we've had since page 38. I mean even Dragon Ball itself suffered from this problem, but it did usually let the dialogue play a purpose.
In the original events, there was at least a joke about Krillin "training to make up for his height." Which was, fine but it didn't overstay it's welcome.
Even reading this with all the pages together its still too much. Simply put, if you want them to have dialogue of "having caught up with each other." It should be simple, short, and sweet.
Regardless, glad we're finally getting to the battle now.
King Kindred napisał:
vnass412 was saying: Wow,so they weren't even training together? That's pretty poor strategy.
Only within the last year. They trained for as much as they could together but realized they still had to live their own lives.
Socks is a cool name for Yamcha and Bulma's kid to differentiate him from Trunks.
Only within the last year. They trained for as much as they could together but realized they still had to live their own lives.
Socks is a cool name for Yamcha and Bulma's kid to differentiate him from Trunks.
Of course? It's not Trunks? .-. Couldn't be, he exists only within Bulma and Vegetables.
Its a good name tho u are right, it doesn't feel too out of ordinary (for DB anyway) and rolls of the tongue pretty well. They've had ten years to get their relationship right this time, so it sounds like they did
WongTing
29 Marca
vparris0 napisał:
JetMalakai was saying: TypNiePokorny was saying: Can z fighters hide theyr's KI?
Sort of. They can suppress it but not hide it entirely, at least in canon. Waiting for Tien to clock 800 and then low diff Raditz.
I thought in the Namek Saga Krillin and Gohan were able to lower their power levels to the point they were able to hide from scouters. Could be wrong though.
Sort of. They can suppress it but not hide it entirely, at least in canon. Waiting for Tien to clock 800 and then low diff Raditz.
I thought in the Namek Saga Krillin and Gohan were able to lower their power levels to the point they were able to hide from scouters. Could be wrong though.
It was implied that was still a difficult feat to do so.
WongTing
29 Marca
EvilScots napisał:
There is another option in who this half-alien might just be. It could be a Goten, born much earlier than in the original timeline due to the change in events.
No he's clearly too old for that.
vnass412 napisał:
SSJ Your Nick was saying: Gohan makes the most sense, but he seems significantly older than Videl.
I guess if it is Gohan, he was hidden in the Time Chamber for a couple of years, making him 14-ish I guess.
The actual Gohan would be 15 in 772, even without the ROST.
I guess if it is Gohan, he was hidden in the Time Chamber for a couple of years, making him 14-ish I guess.
The actual Gohan would be 15 in 772, even without the ROST.
Wrong. 100% wrong. Gohan would be 16 in 774, this makes him 14, in 772.
beeruz napisał:
Ultron2099 was saying: Could it be Trunks?
How could it be trunks if Vegeta never retuerned to earth on this timeline (at least not right now) and Bulma married krillin who's oldest child should definitely not be near chicken mans age.
How could it be trunks if Vegeta never retuerned to earth on this timeline (at least not right now) and Bulma married krillin who's oldest child should definitely not be near chicken mans age.
True. You're right, Trunks is the child of Vegeta and Bulma, it isn't "a different trunks where Bulma married someone else" because there's no such thing as that. Trunks only exists as Vegeta and Bulma's child, if Bulma had children with someone else it would be an entirely different person.
So I didn't even think about that. Definitely not Trunks.
Michelrpg napisał:
How many canon Aliens did we have on earth before the Namek saga? We had Goku, Gohan, and Piccolo.
Piccolo died and wasnt revived. He is canonically dead here since no dragonballs exist at all anymore to revive him. Meaning Chiaotzu, Yamcha, and Tien are also dead.
Now they told us Goku died of the disease, and Gohan was killed. Thorn mentions -1- lie. So either Goku is alive (but he doesn't fit the physique), or Gohan is alive. Im banking on it being gohan. Though Im assuming he dyed his hair or is using a wig because theres no way he turned super saiyan here in this timeline.
It does not explain how Gast did not sense Gohan at all though if it IS him.
Bad Omen was saying: Can he be Trunks???? I mean he was born around the time Friza came to Earth.
1) trunks was born a year AFTER Freeza came to earth
2) who would the father be? Gohan would be too young and Goku was dead at that point. And Vegeta would not make sense in the slightest in this particular scenario either.
*edit
Unless for some dumb reason vegeta went back to live on Earth which would not make any sort of remote sense in the slightest since he never allied with gohan or krillin, and he was still an evil villain by this point.
Piccolo died and wasnt revived. He is canonically dead here since no dragonballs exist at all anymore to revive him. Meaning Chiaotzu, Yamcha, and Tien are also dead.
Now they told us Goku died of the disease, and Gohan was killed. Thorn mentions -1- lie. So either Goku is alive (but he doesn't fit the physique), or Gohan is alive. Im banking on it being gohan. Though Im assuming he dyed his hair or is using a wig because theres no way he turned super saiyan here in this timeline.
It does not explain how Gast did not sense Gohan at all though if it IS him.
Bad Omen was saying: Can he be Trunks???? I mean he was born around the time Friza came to Earth.
1) trunks was born a year AFTER Freeza came to earth
2) who would the father be? Gohan would be too young and Goku was dead at that point. And Vegeta would not make sense in the slightest in this particular scenario either.
*edit
Unless for some dumb reason vegeta went back to live on Earth which would not make any sort of remote sense in the slightest since he never allied with gohan or krillin, and he was still an evil villain by this point.
Who would be the father? No one. Trunks does not exist without Vegeta and Bulma. Again, we are the children of our parents, if our parents never met, we would not be children of other people.
Its a simple concept really. If your parents met other people instead of each other, you would never exist, for you are the creation of them two, not two other people.
So I think its safe to say Trunks does not exist here... unless there's reason that Vegeta actually came back? I doubt it.
Zol napisał:
Guys it still makes sense to be Gohan
If we were to look at the height difference between Chicken Man and Videl, they don't even have that many different heights, he doesn't need the time chamber to be taller than her.
iron leaf was saying: This alternate reality is set in Age 772, about 12 years before we first see Captain Chicken in the main continuity in the tournament with Uub. In that time span, the guy has enough time to build up the striking body we saw in the anime. But what surprises me is that Chaptain Chicken does have something to do with aliens. Why do I have to think of Toriyama's comment who just turned Tien into an alien out of nowhere without ever backing it up in his work. .... ;) .... xD
Zensubean was saying: Super Chicken is the hero great saya man dreams of beingThose are wise words.
Let's take the date Gohan was born, searching on Google, it says 757
This special takes place in 772, so 772-757 = 15 years, Gohan would be fucking 15 years old, this height is completely justified, Videl is just short
If you doubt it, look at the difference in height between the two in the Buu saga:
Gohan is stupidly taller than Videl even in the Buu saga, if anything, this height difference makes a lot of sense
If we were to look at the height difference between Chicken Man and Videl, they don't even have that many different heights, he doesn't need the time chamber to be taller than her.
iron leaf was saying: This alternate reality is set in Age 772, about 12 years before we first see Captain Chicken in the main continuity in the tournament with Uub. In that time span, the guy has enough time to build up the striking body we saw in the anime. But what surprises me is that Chaptain Chicken does have something to do with aliens. Why do I have to think of Toriyama's comment who just turned Tien into an alien out of nowhere without ever backing it up in his work. .... ;) .... xD
Zensubean was saying: Super Chicken is the hero great saya man dreams of beingThose are wise words.
Let's take the date Gohan was born, searching on Google, it says 757
This special takes place in 772, so 772-757 = 15 years, Gohan would be fucking 15 years old, this height is completely justified, Videl is just short
If you doubt it, look at the difference in height between the two in the Buu saga:
Gohan is stupidly taller than Videl even in the Buu saga, if anything, this height difference makes a lot of sense
Agreed, you've made the most logical thought process here. Also no Gohan is 14 here.
"Let's take the date Gohan was born, searching on Google, it says 757"
This is inaccurate, Google and the DB Wiki has it wrong. In the Buu Saga, on the manga as well as the anime, it introduces Gohan as "The now 16 year old" Go look for it.
In addition, you can do the math very easily.
Gohan was 4 at the start of the series, 1 year time skip, he's 5. Ten days before they left to Namek, 34 Days to arrive there, 6 more days til Goku got there, 1 year til Trunks arrives and kills Frieza and Cold, 3 years, the Androids arrive.
so thats, 4 + 1 = 5, 5 + 0.136986 (about 50 days), + 1 year 6.136986 when Trunks arrives, + 3 years, 9.136986, + 1 year in RoSaT, 10 years old physically, 9. whatever chronologically-...Wait..
No they didn't spend the full year in there. So it would be safe to assume that he's TEN at best, on the day of Cell Games. 7 Years pass, he's 17 physically but 16 chronologically. The manga states "16" tho to keep things simple.
772 is 2 years before Buu saga. He's 14 here, there's no evidence of RoSat in this scenario...as far as we know. Safe to assume he isn't physically older. 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
13 Marca
hetap napisał:
So, I think this confirms that the lie Thorn was talking about was that Gero did not kill Gohan. He turned him into an android. Before people thought the lie was that they were able to kill a cyborg, but Krillin confirms here that he did indeed kill one (somehow lol, guessing Kienzan).
Gonna have to agree. Occam's razor would say since we haven't actually seen Gohan's death and there's a lie here.
That the simplest answer is that he isn't dead until it's shown on screen. 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
11 Marca
Delphince napisał:
WongTing was saying: Pay attention. It's not a years later conversation.
Its obviously recently after Goku and Piccolo died and Raditz left.
I am paying attention. Comic etiquette dictates announcing a drastic change in story chronology; it's not to be left to the audience guessing. If this is years before the previous set of panels, you narrate the time difference.
Its obviously recently after Goku and Piccolo died and Raditz left.
I am paying attention. Comic etiquette dictates announcing a drastic change in story chronology; it's not to be left to the audience guessing. If this is years before the previous set of panels, you narrate the time difference.
Actually excellent Storytelling doesn't insult its readers by stating the obvious. It uses implications and hints through usage of action and dialogue.
You're asking the Author to insult you for something that can be clarified from later pages. Is that what you want? Or would you rather be treated as you should, An audience who wants to be entertained?
The rule of thumb is ALWAYS Show Don't Tell.
WongTing
9 Marca
Delphince napisał:
So, what, is this a flashback? Are they having a postmortem conversation years later like it just happened?
These secondary stories...
These secondary stories...
Pay attention. It's not a years later conversation.
Its obviously recently after Goku and Piccolo died and Raditz left. 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
7 Marca
Nan-chan napisał:
FishNChips was saying: I take it this page is a flashback of sorts, happening right after Gohan's been abducted.
This page exists for people who tried predicting goku's resurrection
This page exists for people who tried predicting goku's resurrection
That explains why the page feels so...hmm how do I put this...
Unneeded. Cause it kind of states the obvious and in a way that feels a bit generic too.
Assuming he never did write this page, people would figure it out by the time the rest of the pages came out.
No need to state what can be shown.
Dialogue is actually done really well beyond all that though, it sounds like something Roshi would say in a way he would say it
WongTing
5 Marca
FishNChips napisał:
Wow... they're not kidding here, Gohan... erm, Nasu's going all out on his former friends.
They weren't his friends. They didn't becomes his friends til after the Saiyan Saga. Since that never happened here, the only one Gohan might even recognize is Krillin.
Damian Qualshy napisał:
Kongming5 was saying: Chaotzu can keep blowing himself over and over again and end the threat, anyway, 10 years later and the cover speaks for itself, gero did not take over
@Goten-Kun are Vegeta and co strong as Ginyu force or anyone of note after 10 years, or does freeza just not let them train knowing they get stronger and just makes them go ape to win without damage and growth?
Saiyans get stronger by fighting alone as well, not just training.
@Goten-Kun are Vegeta and co strong as Ginyu force or anyone of note after 10 years, or does freeza just not let them train knowing they get stronger and just makes them go ape to win without damage and growth?
Saiyans get stronger by fighting alone as well, not just training.
Right but it's assumed Vegeta was one of the strongest fighters in the universe, while we have seen rare exceptions, it's hard to believe there is someone who could actually put him down the way Goku did.
The best assumption we can make even though we shouldn't cause assumptions are wrong...
Is that Goha- Nasu has gotten close to Vegeta's level and has possibly had outbursts that took the wind out of Vegeta.
But that's a seriously lucky assumption because its made clear by this point in time that Gohan has serious loyalty to the others so any possible outbursts would've had to been done years ago when he was a lot weaker.
It still wouldn't be too farfetched though cause if we remember Gohan was leagues weaker than 2nd Form Frieza and still managed to beat the dhit out of him in 3rd form.
So it's very well possible when he wasn't fully loyal to the Saiyans he had an outburst strong enough.
BUT AGAIN that's all assumption, we don't know if Gohan even fought against them that long.
For all we know his rebellion lasted very short because he was too young, it's possible he easily became loyal to them because he was a lost and scared cub is one way of putting it
So exactly why you can't assume that they're that much stronger than before. Still it has been quite some years, I doubt they've stagnated too much, there had to have been some progress.
Kongming5 napisał:
JetMalakai was saying: Kongming5 was saying: Chaotzu can keep blowing himself over and over again and end the threat, anyway, 10 years later and the cover speaks for itself, gero did not take over
@Goten-Kun are Vegeta and co strong as Ginyu force or anyone of note after 10 years, or does freeza just not let them train knowing they get stronger and just makes them go ape to win without damage and growth?
Vegeta's leap in power after his defeat on Earth was because he got his ass absolutely handed to him. Given his reaction to that, it was a rare occurrence. If anything, Vegeta is likely not much stronger than he was in canon on Earth, but he's getting edgy because the power gap between him and his minions is shrinking. Or none of them are losing fights, and they're all just marginally stronger.
Still, show me how the heck a bunch of humans handle an 18,000+ power level without having ever been to King Kai. They don't even know who King Kai is, and likely have no idea what a Saiyan is.
Well if its 10 years without time chamber meaning Gohan is 14, how strong was tien and krilin in the android saga let alone buu saga since tien trains more. He could annoy semi perfect cell, who knows maybe the earthlings will body nappa and raditz and Nasu will go ape and team up against vegeta and they will all train preparing for freeza, something will happen emotionally im sure, or maybe its a dark universe where everyone dies, also sorry for using both names, its instinct, maybe even "Ultra Instinct?"
@Goten-Kun are Vegeta and co strong as Ginyu force or anyone of note after 10 years, or does freeza just not let them train knowing they get stronger and just makes them go ape to win without damage and growth?
Vegeta's leap in power after his defeat on Earth was because he got his ass absolutely handed to him. Given his reaction to that, it was a rare occurrence. If anything, Vegeta is likely not much stronger than he was in canon on Earth, but he's getting edgy because the power gap between him and his minions is shrinking. Or none of them are losing fights, and they're all just marginally stronger.
Still, show me how the heck a bunch of humans handle an 18,000+ power level without having ever been to King Kai. They don't even know who King Kai is, and likely have no idea what a Saiyan is.
Well if its 10 years without time chamber meaning Gohan is 14, how strong was tien and krilin in the android saga let alone buu saga since tien trains more. He could annoy semi perfect cell, who knows maybe the earthlings will body nappa and raditz and Nasu will go ape and team up against vegeta and they will all train preparing for freeza, something will happen emotionally im sure, or maybe its a dark universe where everyone dies, also sorry for using both names, its instinct, maybe even "Ultra Instinct?"
No. The only reason the Earthlings got as strong as they did was because of the original plot. Because that no longer exists, there is nothing to push them.
Its possible they thought Goku dead forever and was never able to bring him back.
If it's been this long even if they never stopped trying to somehow find Gohan, (I think the Dragon Balls wouldn't have work), they probably assumed him "dead" in a metaphorical sense.
Sure they probably knew he was alive but again the Dragon cannot force people STRONGER then him to go where they don't wanna go.
And by the time they gathered the Dragon Balls, it was probably too late. Collecting the Dragon Balls was never a quick thing til after the Saiyan Saga.
During the Saiyan Saga it took them most of that year to find them all.
One year is all the Saiyans need to corrupt Gohan enough and make him somewhat of a warrior.
Safe to assume, there's even a grave for both Goku and Gohan. Sad but true.
Now I'm sure the Earthlings trained all this time but at some point without all the other plot points which pushed them far beyond the Saiyan's strength, they probably didn't get very strong.
Definitely stronger than when Raditz first landed tho. That isn't much of a milestone especially since they managed that in a single year.
But stronger then Nappa or Vegeta? Doubt it.
WongTing
13 Lutego
I'm not going to lie to you. That guy's hair color is a little too similar to Super Saiyan hair color scheme.
DBMultiverse Colors page 291
WongTing
13 Lutego
Are you guys sure you don't need a better translator, what Raditz says in the first panel makes 0 sense.
It should be more like...
"No problem? Easy for you to say"
followed by a scoff. "Their army targeted me! Not you!"
Please. They are tons of people whod be willing to proofread/edit this for you guys. Some of us don't have lives and have plenty of time to do it immediately.
Also "At least Frieza will be happy with us" while may be a proper translation, doesn't sound as natural as dialogue should be.
"Well.. at least Lord Frieza will be pleased."
Is much simpler and rolls of the tongue. 2 Odpowiedzi
Saigo no Son page 23
It should be more like...
"No problem? Easy for you to say"
followed by a scoff. "Their army targeted me! Not you!"
Please. They are tons of people whod be willing to proofread/edit this for you guys. Some of us don't have lives and have plenty of time to do it immediately.
Also "At least Frieza will be happy with us" while may be a proper translation, doesn't sound as natural as dialogue should be.
"Well.. at least Lord Frieza will be pleased."
Is much simpler and rolls of the tongue. 2 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
8 Lutego
Damian Qualshy napisał:
WongTing was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: WongTing was saying: Why did he say Mom...twice?
And the last chapter.."insupportable" is not a word. The word you are looking for is "insufferable" i believe or "unsupportable", but I'm pretty sure insufferable fits the context better.
Ah this is how usually most Raditz successes kidnapping starts, with him losing it to Gohan's crying and then beating the shit out of him...
Actually wait now that I think about it, that's kind of concerning how many people made these scenes up.
The text should be fixed, and why wouldn't he say it twice?
Why? Cause I'm wondering why he's saying it in the first place. Is he supposed to be crying for his mother? Cause if so, shouldn't it be "Mommy" then?
The panel really is confusing. Gohan's own expression is just confused, he literally has an eyebrow raised here. If the expression was meant to be him crying for Mom, it needs to be adjusted because there's no shaking, there's nothing other then the tear out of his eyes, and his lips frowning.
But beyond that it doesn't look like he's scared. The expressions are flat out confusing.
Also maybe it's not updated on my end but the text still shows insupportable.
Saying "Mom" instead of "Mommy" doesn't change anything.
And he's literally beat up, of course his face won't look right. Not to mention four years old and definitely confused.
You're way too picky about it.
And the last chapter.."insupportable" is not a word. The word you are looking for is "insufferable" i believe or "unsupportable", but I'm pretty sure insufferable fits the context better.
Ah this is how usually most Raditz successes kidnapping starts, with him losing it to Gohan's crying and then beating the shit out of him...
Actually wait now that I think about it, that's kind of concerning how many people made these scenes up.
The text should be fixed, and why wouldn't he say it twice?
Why? Cause I'm wondering why he's saying it in the first place. Is he supposed to be crying for his mother? Cause if so, shouldn't it be "Mommy" then?
The panel really is confusing. Gohan's own expression is just confused, he literally has an eyebrow raised here. If the expression was meant to be him crying for Mom, it needs to be adjusted because there's no shaking, there's nothing other then the tear out of his eyes, and his lips frowning.
But beyond that it doesn't look like he's scared. The expressions are flat out confusing.
Also maybe it's not updated on my end but the text still shows insupportable.
Saying "Mom" instead of "Mommy" doesn't change anything.
And he's literally beat up, of course his face won't look right. Not to mention four years old and definitely confused.
You're way too picky about it.
I'm not being picky about it all. I'm making completely valid points. The point of Storytelling is to convince readers.
There's nothing wrong with what I said. And it actually changes a lot, because it puts things into perspective here.
If this were any other Japanese whatever content it would make sense. They don't really use that word "Mommy" that's more American or European.
But Gohan was different and done so purposely.
Also. You didn't read what I said. I wasn't saying his face looked wrong cause his face was beat up, I was saying it looked wrong because the expressions are in fact wrong here.
Read again please. I do not like having to repeat myself.
The Last panel looks and feels rushed. He has a confused facial expression, not a scared one, which contradicts the tear in his eye.
There's no implication of movement, when there should be. He should be scared, which means some form of tremble or shaking even if light.
In this moment, a person, even four years of age, does not make a confused facial expression. They make a scared one.
It does matter, and frankly my feedback wasn't for you. It was for the artist who would actually get what I'm talking about instead of trying to start arguments and being hostile.
Quit shutting people down just because you don't agree with them. That's some seriously toxic behavior bro 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
7 Lutego
Damian Qualshy napisał:
WongTing was saying: Why did he say Mom...twice?
And the last chapter.."insupportable" is not a word. The word you are looking for is "insufferable" i believe or "unsupportable", but I'm pretty sure insufferable fits the context better.
Ah this is how usually most Raditz successes kidnapping starts, with him losing it to Gohan's crying and then beating the shit out of him...
Actually wait now that I think about it, that's kind of concerning how many people made these scenes up.
The text should be fixed, and why wouldn't he say it twice?
And the last chapter.."insupportable" is not a word. The word you are looking for is "insufferable" i believe or "unsupportable", but I'm pretty sure insufferable fits the context better.
Ah this is how usually most Raditz successes kidnapping starts, with him losing it to Gohan's crying and then beating the shit out of him...
Actually wait now that I think about it, that's kind of concerning how many people made these scenes up.
The text should be fixed, and why wouldn't he say it twice?
Why? Cause I'm wondering why he's saying it in the first place. Is he supposed to be crying for his mother? Cause if so, shouldn't it be "Mommy" then?
The panel really is confusing. Gohan's own expression is just confused, he literally has an eyebrow raised here. If the expression was meant to be him crying for Mom, it needs to be adjusted because there's no shaking, there's nothing other then the tear out of his eyes, and his lips frowning.
But beyond that it doesn't look like he's scared. The expressions are flat out confusing.
Also maybe it's not updated on my end but the text still shows insupportable. 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
7 Lutego
Why did he say Mom...twice?
And the last chapter.."insupportable" is not a word. The word you are looking for is "insufferable" i believe or "unsupportable", but I'm pretty sure insufferable fits the context better.
Ah this is how usually most Raditz successes kidnapping starts, with him losing it to Gohan's crying and then beating the shit out of him...
Actually wait now that I think about it, that's kind of concerning how many people made these scenes up. 1 Odpowiedzi
Saigo no Son page 20
And the last chapter.."insupportable" is not a word. The word you are looking for is "insufferable" i believe or "unsupportable", but I'm pretty sure insufferable fits the context better.
Ah this is how usually most Raditz successes kidnapping starts, with him losing it to Gohan's crying and then beating the shit out of him...
Actually wait now that I think about it, that's kind of concerning how many people made these scenes up. 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
29 Stycznia
PrimeFighter napisał:
仅是剑客 was saying: Wasn't Bra believe Janemba was weak? https://w...393.html#h_read
She really has became a clown as her father now.
Goku is better to learn from Gast and Uub instead of listening to her.
Her statement makes no sense. She's on the level of SSJ2 Vegito. How would she not be able to handle Janemba there? I just try to ignore Bra as a character in DBM cuz everything else for the most part is enjoyable
Edit: Knowing Goku, whatever advice Gast has, Goku will reject it for a good fight UNLESS he doesn't have the DBS down syndrome stigma the show likes to exercise to a disgusting degree
She really has became a clown as her father now.
Goku is better to learn from Gast and Uub instead of listening to her.
Her statement makes no sense. She's on the level of SSJ2 Vegito. How would she not be able to handle Janemba there? I just try to ignore Bra as a character in DBM cuz everything else for the most part is enjoyable
Edit: Knowing Goku, whatever advice Gast has, Goku will reject it for a good fight UNLESS he doesn't have the DBS down syndrome stigma the show likes to exercise to a disgusting degree
Well said.
The issue is she's being forced too much in all this shit to a point it makes no sense. What purpose did her thoughts provide here to the Story?
Nothing. A simple gesture would've said everything. It's expodumping at its finest. Can't stand that shit
Her statement also contradicts her earlier statement. It just feels so forced and self inserted these past few chapters.
DDDDD napisał:
My personal guess is that XXI's powers have severely diminished in the last few million years, perhaps from getting hungry after he consumed his entire universe, and he only had a very limited stockpile of magical energy left going into this tournament. Hence why he has relied mainly upon cheap tricks thus far; he needed to win each fight with almost no energy consumption. He had enough for a single all-out assault against a weakened Gast, but was relying upon eating him to refuel for his fight with Goku. Now he's been deprived of his meal, he has almost nothing left to fight Goku with.
This makes sense.
WongTing
29 Stycznia
Okay. A timeskip, I didn't expect that. Question is, how long. Judging from foot si- ok jk idk wtf I'm talking about.
Regardless can't wait to see exactly what's gonna happen.
It wouldn't. Goku was totally okay with killing until Eighter said no and then later saw Krillin die in the Piccolo Saga of DB.
Realistically. Gohan could easily forget most things before he was kidnapped and just like that is now their evil subject or something a little more even.
I imagine the only form of morality if he sustained any post being kidnapped was short lived and came more from his Mother then his Father.
Saigo no Son page 16
Regardless can't wait to see exactly what's gonna happen.
mx1mum napisał:
BangBang was saying: Guess turning him evil was easier than expected.
If you think about it, he’s only four. In real life it wouldn’t be a stretch for them to brainwash a four year old into being evil.
If you think about it, he’s only four. In real life it wouldn’t be a stretch for them to brainwash a four year old into being evil.
It wouldn't. Goku was totally okay with killing until Eighter said no and then later saw Krillin die in the Piccolo Saga of DB.
Realistically. Gohan could easily forget most things before he was kidnapped and just like that is now their evil subject or something a little more even.
I imagine the only form of morality if he sustained any post being kidnapped was short lived and came more from his Mother then his Father.
WongTing
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Triz napisał:
So in this story, the saiyans don’t learn about the dragon balls? Excited to see how this plays out. I’m almost certain it won’t end well for the people of Earth.
Its safe to say, the People of Earth are moot from what story lies beyond.
Meaning their fate is sealed, kaput, doomed. 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
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Damian Qualshy napisał:
Thing is, why would Vegeta come back here? As far as they know, the only fighters on the planet are dead, so it's worthless. They don't even know about Dragon Balls (I think), so even less reason.
They don't know about the Dragon Balls. The only logical reason for coming back is if Raditz tells them that the planet could sell well.
And for that they might do it, but then it would just end in the death of all Earthlings.
There's no preparation, no hope for Earth. They're gone and lost.
WongTing
23 Stycznia
UltraExtream napisał:
so Piccolo is dead meaning Kami is dead. No Earth Dragon Balls. I guess Popo will be the one that will spill the beans about Namek. They could go to Namek.
However they'd be at a huge disadvantage since Goku is dead and not in a hospital. Each of the power levels are in the low hundreds and friezas guards are in the mid hundreds to 1000s.
It would be a blood bath. Unless they can get to guru to unlock their power.
Maybe I'm over analyzing.
However they'd be at a huge disadvantage since Goku is dead and not in a hospital. Each of the power levels are in the low hundreds and friezas guards are in the mid hundreds to 1000s.
It would be a blood bath. Unless they can get to guru to unlock their power.
Maybe I'm over analyzing.
Wrong. Mr. Popo doesn't know anything about Namek. He was shocked when Kami too learned of his origins.
Go back and watch it. He only knew where the ship was because Kami told him
WongTing
22 Stycznia
goten-kun napisał:
ZenBuu was saying: Poor Gohan... he has a rough time, doesn't matter which universe. :'(
But didn't he destroy Raditz' ship?
Yes, it's Goku's ship. I should make a Page about that.^^
But didn't he destroy Raditz' ship?
Yes, it's Goku's ship. I should make a Page about that.^^
I actually think it'd be more powerful if you didn't. People would figure it out in a couple of pages from now.
WongTing
19 Stycznia
goten-kun napisał:
WongTing was saying:
Wait what? This comic was finished a year ago? Or am I misunderstanding?
Yes, that's right. I was waiting for 321Y to end before the beginning of Saigo no Son here.
Wait what? This comic was finished a year ago? Or am I misunderstanding?
Yes, that's right. I was waiting for 321Y to end before the beginning of Saigo no Son here.
Oh so it was all prepped ahead of time. Thats pretty badass.
Captain Obvious napisał:
— "Killing Gohan"? Sounds to me like a quite silly idea (although consistent with the cannon story).
— "Training him instead"?.. Already a little bit "less silly" in my opinion (though a bit "risky", as in the future, Gohan could kill Raditz); however, isn't there a much more "Logical"/"Obvious" option?
I mean, imagine that you are a warrior from an almost extinct race (or rather "species"); in fact, there are literally no more females in your species, only a couple of males remaining, so the species is going to get extinct no matter what... Then you find your brother on another (fully populated) planet, and you notice he's got a SON (with one of the billion females in that planet)... Besides, that son is somehow incredibly strong, apparently much stronger than the average kid from your own "warrior race", although the people of this planet are so ridiculously weak and easy to dominate...
> What do you choose to do?
> a) Kill your brother, kill his son, and destroy the planet.
> b) Kill your brother, train his son, and destroy the planet.
> c) Bring back with you your brother and his son (although not much space in the pod), and destroy the planet.
> d) HEY!? WAIT A SECOND?? "SON"??? How did?.. Billions of fem...?!? O_O [=> Save the Sayan species, recreate "Planet Vegeta 2.0" (or even "Planet Raditz") :D]
Note: years ago, I had thought of such a scenario where the Sayans would be "a bit smarter" (but I confess it quickly becomes somewhat "boring" as then ["Spoiler"] Vegeta gets the Dragon Balls, and not being sure how "immortality" would work [and not having any guarantee it would actually work at all] asks -instead- to become "Omniscient": with his new "infinite knowledge", he then easily finds a path [techniques, boosts, powers, DragonBalls, technology etc] to become invincible and reign over the entire Universe [like some kind of "Zen Buu, but perfectly optimized in every aspect" :D... OK I'm such a "Vegeta fanboy", forgive me! xD])
["Anyone interested in drawing that fanfic"? (LOL)]
— "Training him instead"?.. Already a little bit "less silly" in my opinion (though a bit "risky", as in the future, Gohan could kill Raditz); however, isn't there a much more "Logical"/"Obvious" option?
I mean, imagine that you are a warrior from an almost extinct race (or rather "species"); in fact, there are literally no more females in your species, only a couple of males remaining, so the species is going to get extinct no matter what... Then you find your brother on another (fully populated) planet, and you notice he's got a SON (with one of the billion females in that planet)... Besides, that son is somehow incredibly strong, apparently much stronger than the average kid from your own "warrior race", although the people of this planet are so ridiculously weak and easy to dominate...
> What do you choose to do?
> a) Kill your brother, kill his son, and destroy the planet.
> b) Kill your brother, train his son, and destroy the planet.
> c) Bring back with you your brother and his son (although not much space in the pod), and destroy the planet.
> d) HEY!? WAIT A SECOND?? "SON"??? How did?.. Billions of fem...?!? O_O [=> Save the Sayan species, recreate "Planet Vegeta 2.0" (or even "Planet Raditz") :D]
Note: years ago, I had thought of such a scenario where the Sayans would be "a bit smarter" (but I confess it quickly becomes somewhat "boring" as then ["Spoiler"] Vegeta gets the Dragon Balls, and not being sure how "immortality" would work [and not having any guarantee it would actually work at all] asks -instead- to become "Omniscient": with his new "infinite knowledge", he then easily finds a path [techniques, boosts, powers, DragonBalls, technology etc] to become invincible and reign over the entire Universe [like some kind of "Zen Buu, but perfectly optimized in every aspect" :D... OK I'm such a "Vegeta fanboy", forgive me! xD])
["Anyone interested in drawing that fanfic"? (LOL)]
I hope not. It sounds like stuff you just threw out.
Creativity isn't the absence of Logic, it's when Logic has fun. What you did here is too logical and devoid of actually going "through the motions" as one might say, figuratively speaking.
If Raditz successfully killed Goku and Piccolo, what happens next is up in the air.
You were right to assume that multiple options have to be explored. But the idea that Vegeta would choose to breed with females of Earth over the options is actually less logical.
Reason being is he shutdown that idea himself almost immediately.
First we need to breakdown why Raditz came to Earth in the first place. They needed help, because the planet they were going to purge was gonna be tough for the three of them.
Raditz remembered his brother and went for Earth.
Now his brother is dead and he doesn't want to go home empty handed, right? Well let's say he took Gohan, issue with that is Gohan can't really help them.
What're they gonna do? Let Gohan rampage as OOK OOK ME MONKEY mode? No because it was made clear that most planets they purged must be done in a certain manner to fetch the best price possible.
Again, Raditz has little options. He could however become an asset in the future if he does learn to fight but The Saiyans are kept a watchful eye and were heavily implied to be very busy.
They wouldn't have time to babysit a brat. So the most logical option is NONE of them because we are basing it on something with little to no information.
Its pure speculation. This means you have to think what would make the best story going forward, and HOW you do whatever option you choose matters more.
DracoDeVis napisał:
At least the namekians are relatively safe, since neither Vegeta nor Frieza has learned about the dragon balls.
The only positive result on this battle. Vegeta and Nappa knew that Piccolo was a Namekian but they aren't here.
Raditz is and Raditz doesn't know, so all anyone would know is that Raditz fought his little brother and some Green Earthling.
It'd end there. They wouldn't know anything about Earth, so they'd assume green Earthlings is normal.
So GGs for the Namekians I guess? I guess the best thing you could make up is that "by chance they happened to be near this part of the galaxy when shit goes wrong they crash landed here on Namek and stole the Dragon Balls"
Only way it could happen and that's plot convenience to the extreme lol 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
18 Stycznia
goten-kun napisał:
obserwator was saying: Was this comic drawed after previous two? I think author improved.
Yes, I drew it after Namekseijin Densetsu and 321Y. I ended it a year ago.
Thank you all!^^
Yes, I drew it after Namekseijin Densetsu and 321Y. I ended it a year ago.
Thank you all!^^
Wait what? This comic was finished a year ago? Or am I misunderstanding? 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
18 Stycznia
obserwator napisał:
Was this comic drawed after previous two? I think author improved.
Drawn* and yes sir.
VegetaJr napisał:
Zen Kuu was saying: It’s badass to think of Gohan being trained by Raditz and Vegeta, but maybe knowing Vegeta he would get a little jealous of Gohans potential
I don't think Vegeta would be jealous. If i remember correctly, their plan was to make more hybrids after they learned of Gohans potential.
I don't think Vegeta would be jealous. If i remember correctly, their plan was to make more hybrids after they learned of Gohans potential.
That was more just thrown out ideas. Vegeta appeared to have done that a lot back in early dbz sagas before scraping those ideas himself.
That being said. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have done it though but I'm just saying it should be kept in mind.
mx1mum napisał:
This really is an awesome story line. @Goten-kun is a great writer and his art is getting better each panel. Can’t wait to see what’s to come !
I had to double take. Holy art, what changed from this page and the last several? It's so much better, so much more refined.
Did he get help? Either way it's awesome compared to before.
Too early to take some guess what's going to happen moving forward but surely can't wait
WongTing
17 Stycznia
I'm going to give my guess. It's a story where Raditz successfully kidnaps Gohan.
Oh gee what a shocker!
No duh obviously. But the real question is how will this be going forward.
My hope is that this will be more original and not try to rehash elements of DBZ as this Alternate World is now about to take a trajectory that is so vastly different that naturally speaking elements of dbz shouldn't be rehashed at all.
I assume the Earth will be destroyed and thus no longer exist. So Gohan is stuck living with the last of his kind who'll probably annoy the hell out of him and force him to conform to their ways.
Anyway that's getting ahead of ourselves.
What game was that? 1 Odpowiedzi
Saigo no Son page 11
Oh gee what a shocker!
No duh obviously. But the real question is how will this be going forward.
My hope is that this will be more original and not try to rehash elements of DBZ as this Alternate World is now about to take a trajectory that is so vastly different that naturally speaking elements of dbz shouldn't be rehashed at all.
I assume the Earth will be destroyed and thus no longer exist. So Gohan is stuck living with the last of his kind who'll probably annoy the hell out of him and force him to conform to their ways.
Anyway that's getting ahead of ourselves.
Herp Derp napisał:
Reminds me of an SNES DBZ game where you accidently kill Goku with Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon.
Gohan will rage out, kill Piccolo and the scenario ends with Vegeta, Nappa, Raditz and Gohan laying waste to a city.
Gohan will rage out, kill Piccolo and the scenario ends with Vegeta, Nappa, Raditz and Gohan laying waste to a city.
What game was that? 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
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goten-kun napisał:
WongTing was saying: Normally entire page panels are made to give us a special detailed piece of art.
In this case it looks rushed. Goku's jaw line is all wrong and his eyes are too close together.
You have great art, Goten, but this is not one of your finer moments. Hopefully in the future you'll have time to correct this.
The ears are wack as well and it looks like his face is scrunched up.
To be faire, I wanted to redraw this panel, but missing time, I didn't. ^^
In this case it looks rushed. Goku's jaw line is all wrong and his eyes are too close together.
You have great art, Goten, but this is not one of your finer moments. Hopefully in the future you'll have time to correct this.
The ears are wack as well and it looks like his face is scrunched up.
To be faire, I wanted to redraw this panel, but missing time, I didn't. ^^
Ah, honesty, an artist and writer's most powerful asset if they use it. Good on you for being honest. Not a lot of people would do that.
ZenBuu napisał:
Damian Qualshy was saying: obserwator was saying: Did you all missed previous two comics from goten-kun? He loves onepanel pages, it's almost signature here on dbm.
These guys never read a comic in their lives I guess??? Like come on, it's really not an issue.
I've also noticed it a lot over the years, that people keep complaining about this. Sometimes it really leaves the impression, that those people don't really read (any) manga, and probably only have seen the DB anime... ^^
Because this is a common thing, not only in Goten-Kun's comics. DBM did it a lot too for example. And in the end those comments always feel like it's only a complaint about the "too slow" release rhythm. If you read this in one go, it obviously flows much better and you even appreciate such one panel pages.
These guys never read a comic in their lives I guess??? Like come on, it's really not an issue.
I've also noticed it a lot over the years, that people keep complaining about this. Sometimes it really leaves the impression, that those people don't really read (any) manga, and probably only have seen the DB anime... ^^
Because this is a common thing, not only in Goten-Kun's comics. DBM did it a lot too for example. And in the end those comments always feel like it's only a complaint about the "too slow" release rhythm. If you read this in one go, it obviously flows much better and you even appreciate such one panel pages.
Reading it in one go. I keep saying that but nobody listens, also not every thing is a complaint, all forms of feedback are valid.
But in this case it is a complaint.
If people read DBM in one go, the pacing is actually excellent. And I'm not saying that out of love for the comic.
Because it has seriously had it's downs, and ups. But rather because objectively, the pacing if anything is a bit fast if u ask me
WongTing
15 Stycznia
Normally entire page panels are made to give us a special detailed piece of art.
In this case it looks rushed. Goku's jaw line is all wrong and his eyes are too close together.
You have great art, Goten, but this is not one of your finer moments. Hopefully in the future you'll have time to correct this.
The ears are wack as well and it looks like his face is scrunched up. 1 Odpowiedzi
Saigo no Son page 10
In this case it looks rushed. Goku's jaw line is all wrong and his eyes are too close together.
You have great art, Goten, but this is not one of your finer moments. Hopefully in the future you'll have time to correct this.
The ears are wack as well and it looks like his face is scrunched up. 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
11 Stycznia
hetap napisał:
I feel like every comic here has a goal to make Gohans life as awful as possible lol
Ofc. He's spiderman...wait..
siksteen napisał:
Yep he ded. Does Raditz capture Goku and Gohan and take them to space? Or just kills him?
Last Son. Not Sons.
WongTing
5 Stycznia
ZenBuu napisał:
SOME FANSERVICE! :O
Some may feel like this is a bit out of place and I won't blame them. But hey, back in the Majin rebellion arc, we had Bra almost without a Bra. ^^
So I don't think this here is too bad. Even if her top was hanging on like 2 only threads at the end, it's probably more durable than the steel door from Gero's lab or Katchin.
Jokes aside, yes, this is an old drawing from Homola Gábor. We had a bit time pressure out of lack from artists who draw a cover for free. So if someone wants to volunteer, here is your chance! Write me here and I'll contact you per e-mail. Or you can write me on discord, just go to the official DBM Server. We can really need some help, since we have enough to do with coloring. We have many ideas for extra pages too!
Why did we pick this specific old drawing? Simply because it still kinda fits with the focus on Son Bra in this chapter where she fights Zangya and lacks control over her anger. Obviously she won't get injured like that in the fight. The alternative would've been some drawing of Zangya from Asura. But since the focus is clearly on Bra, we decided to use this. So I wonder if some of you would've preferred that? :)
The original idea for this cover was this:
Sun Wukong (DBM) and Kid Goku meditating on their Nyoi-bōs on Mount Paozu at sunset.
Yet, this is still a nice drawing from Gábor. :)
Some may feel like this is a bit out of place and I won't blame them. But hey, back in the Majin rebellion arc, we had Bra almost without a Bra. ^^
So I don't think this here is too bad. Even if her top was hanging on like 2 only threads at the end, it's probably more durable than the steel door from Gero's lab or Katchin.
Jokes aside, yes, this is an old drawing from Homola Gábor. We had a bit time pressure out of lack from artists who draw a cover for free. So if someone wants to volunteer, here is your chance! Write me here and I'll contact you per e-mail. Or you can write me on discord, just go to the official DBM Server. We can really need some help, since we have enough to do with coloring. We have many ideas for extra pages too!
Why did we pick this specific old drawing? Simply because it still kinda fits with the focus on Son Bra in this chapter where she fights Zangya and lacks control over her anger. Obviously she won't get injured like that in the fight. The alternative would've been some drawing of Zangya from Asura. But since the focus is clearly on Bra, we decided to use this. So I wonder if some of you would've preferred that? :)
The original idea for this cover was this:
Sun Wukong (DBM) and Kid Goku meditating on their Nyoi-bōs on Mount Paozu at sunset.
Yet, this is still a nice drawing from Gábor. :)
Isn't she 16 yo? This is creepy and wrong on all levels.
Mustard napisał:
Rodriog was saying: Mustard was saying: Ew. Isn't she like 16?
Bulma was in OG dragon ball and....well..
DestroyerOfVegetards was saying: Mustard was saying: Ew. Isn't she like 16?
ahem...Kid Bulma.. *cough cough...Kid ChiChi's outfit when she first appeared...
What makes you think that changes anything?
Bulma was in OG dragon ball and....well..
DestroyerOfVegetards was saying: Mustard was saying: Ew. Isn't she like 16?
ahem...Kid Bulma.. *cough cough...Kid ChiChi's outfit when she first appeared...
What makes you think that changes anything?
Yeah it doesn't change anything, that was still disgusting and messed up.
Toriyama got away with it cause Japan's laws concerning those areas were very immoral at the time. And compared to most in Japan, Toriyama was mild, very mild. 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
5 Stycznia
Super Gojita 3 napisał:
Kururun was saying: I don't think it's very accurate to just say Goku got sidelined in Z. It's more like Z doesn't really write arcs like it did before Z with the bad guy being defeated in a straight 1v1 fight to spice things up, with the exception of Freeza (Super Saiyan buildup) and Cell (Father Son and hidden potential buildup). Besides that, Goku is very much at the forefront and takes a lot of the screentime, is a direct cause of every win. You can't really say Goku was a "support character" because he doesn't always 1v1 the main bad guy, because only 2 bad guys got 1v1'd (one by Goku) and the remaining 2 were a team effort with Goku being the obvious lead.
I was mostly paraphrasing, but yeah.
for people to say goku always beats the main villain is not quite accurate. thats a toei-ism mostly. at least in dbz.
manga goku didn't really get involved much in the final combat outside of team work and strategy.
his best work was support mostly, fighting cell to show gohan his strategies and powers, and later when he used vegetas idea to make a genki dama, and event hen it didn't work, relying on the db's to heal goku mid battle.
he 1v1'd 1 main villain in the dbz era canon, and the rest were team victories.
so if sal made goku lose to the main villain (again) it'd be in line with the dbz era of goku losing to the main villain, only to win later on with team work, or someone else doing it, ala gohan/cell.
goku was really indirectly involved with the cell final battle. all he did was support gohan with inspiration, it was gohan doing 99% of the work there.
WongTing was saying: thebritwriter was saying: Jesus! And I thought the infamous ‘frieza defeated’ episode title lacked subtlety!
Well, let’s see what happens.
Poetic word expression is a rare commodity these days. But who knows maybe this was intentional.
With that out of the way.
Why do people complain so much here about pacing? If DBM was finished, and 100% released...nobody would complain about the pacing.
They're releasing 3 pages a week, but that doesn't mean they should speed the pacing of the story because it's going to and HAS taken a long time to get it out there.
The pacing is actually extremely fast if you read it as a "full" thing. I haven't agreed with their direction in some areas but regardless that doesn't mean the pacing is bad.
Yeah you waited over ten years to finally see Ghast fight. Why? Because it took them that long to draw it, not because the pacing of the story is that slow xD.
For a lack of better and sugarcoating phrasing...
It's a lack of common sense to think because they're only releasing a set amount of pages per week that the pace should be increased. Patience is a virtue.
Super Gojita 3 was saying: Hick was saying: Vault756 was saying:
More people who I can only assume forgot who was the main character of this series.
I know Goku will win, but there are many different ways he could achieve victory. For instance, he might save the day, or he could defeat Gast in a match after the previous champion, XXI, loses the title for being completely insane. In my theory, XXI is declared the winner for a time, but once everything is resolved, Goku ultimately takes the belt home.
this makes sense. goku winning the day by himself 1v1 is mostly a toei invention. goku has only defeated a main villain on his own once in dbz, not counting og db. and that was freeza.
the rest were team effort victories, with gohan killing cell with aid from vegeta, the dragon team beating vegeta, and the earth, vegeta, fat buu, satan, gohan, and the rest all contributing genki to beat kid buu.
he lost to vegeta, lost to cell and lost to buu 1v1
and you could argue vs freeza it was a team effort too, at least before he went ssj.
after he went ssj, in the manga goku dominated that fight and then embarrassed freeza by not only clobbering him, but he also spared him some energy, and quit the fight like 2 times.
so defeating xxi might be yet another team effort win.
But I wouldn't be upset if sal wrote the scenario more like a toei style movie, with goku winning.
that would be fine.
>on the subject of goku and beating "main villains"
I realize goku defeated a lot of villains in db, but by Z the story evolved to where goku was not the main focus in the fighting. so while he was present, he was mostly a support character who allowed the rest of the cast to win the fights, with his influence.
goku was sidelined most of dbz, and only beat 1 main villain on his own.
I agree with most of this except. Goku was not sidelined most of DBZ, in fact id go as far as to argue that DBZ was all about Goku as a martial artist.
Everything there was to set the tone and stage for Goku developing as a character.
The Saiyan Saga was all about Goku learning his origins. The Namek Saga only sidelined Goku to give viewers to learn more about Piccolo, Namek, and our new enemies up until Goku goes to fight Frieza where it was ALL about Goku.
Here he embraces his Saiyan Heritage. The android Saga and Cell Saga was a mess nuff said.
I actually rewatched it a bit back and was pointing stuff out to a Friend that I never noticed, when it got to Cell's introduction HOLY mackerel was that a expodump contradicting mess.
He literally contradicts himself in the same episode while talking to Piccolo.
The reason this happened was to make Goku think he needed to find a successor so that in Buu Saga he could realize he was wrong and that there is no successor.
thats fair, I was mostly paraphrasing any way.
goku doesn't win against most main villains because he was trainign gohan, teaching fusion, being dead and returning to otherworld etc etc.
>The reason this happened was to make Goku think he needed to find a successor so that in Buu Saga he could realize he was wrong and that there is no successor.
nah, I'd say he goes with uub as his successor, and outside of GT, he is never found wanting.
mostly goku trains others to surpass him, like with gohan teaching fusion to the kids. he was mostly about the future generation in the buu saga.
I was mostly paraphrasing, but yeah.
for people to say goku always beats the main villain is not quite accurate. thats a toei-ism mostly. at least in dbz.
manga goku didn't really get involved much in the final combat outside of team work and strategy.
his best work was support mostly, fighting cell to show gohan his strategies and powers, and later when he used vegetas idea to make a genki dama, and event hen it didn't work, relying on the db's to heal goku mid battle.
he 1v1'd 1 main villain in the dbz era canon, and the rest were team victories.
so if sal made goku lose to the main villain (again) it'd be in line with the dbz era of goku losing to the main villain, only to win later on with team work, or someone else doing it, ala gohan/cell.
goku was really indirectly involved with the cell final battle. all he did was support gohan with inspiration, it was gohan doing 99% of the work there.
WongTing was saying: thebritwriter was saying: Jesus! And I thought the infamous ‘frieza defeated’ episode title lacked subtlety!
Well, let’s see what happens.
Poetic word expression is a rare commodity these days. But who knows maybe this was intentional.
With that out of the way.
Why do people complain so much here about pacing? If DBM was finished, and 100% released...nobody would complain about the pacing.
They're releasing 3 pages a week, but that doesn't mean they should speed the pacing of the story because it's going to and HAS taken a long time to get it out there.
The pacing is actually extremely fast if you read it as a "full" thing. I haven't agreed with their direction in some areas but regardless that doesn't mean the pacing is bad.
Yeah you waited over ten years to finally see Ghast fight. Why? Because it took them that long to draw it, not because the pacing of the story is that slow xD.
For a lack of better and sugarcoating phrasing...
It's a lack of common sense to think because they're only releasing a set amount of pages per week that the pace should be increased. Patience is a virtue.
Super Gojita 3 was saying: Hick was saying: Vault756 was saying:
More people who I can only assume forgot who was the main character of this series.
I know Goku will win, but there are many different ways he could achieve victory. For instance, he might save the day, or he could defeat Gast in a match after the previous champion, XXI, loses the title for being completely insane. In my theory, XXI is declared the winner for a time, but once everything is resolved, Goku ultimately takes the belt home.
this makes sense. goku winning the day by himself 1v1 is mostly a toei invention. goku has only defeated a main villain on his own once in dbz, not counting og db. and that was freeza.
the rest were team effort victories, with gohan killing cell with aid from vegeta, the dragon team beating vegeta, and the earth, vegeta, fat buu, satan, gohan, and the rest all contributing genki to beat kid buu.
he lost to vegeta, lost to cell and lost to buu 1v1
and you could argue vs freeza it was a team effort too, at least before he went ssj.
after he went ssj, in the manga goku dominated that fight and then embarrassed freeza by not only clobbering him, but he also spared him some energy, and quit the fight like 2 times.
so defeating xxi might be yet another team effort win.
But I wouldn't be upset if sal wrote the scenario more like a toei style movie, with goku winning.
that would be fine.
>on the subject of goku and beating "main villains"
I realize goku defeated a lot of villains in db, but by Z the story evolved to where goku was not the main focus in the fighting. so while he was present, he was mostly a support character who allowed the rest of the cast to win the fights, with his influence.
goku was sidelined most of dbz, and only beat 1 main villain on his own.
I agree with most of this except. Goku was not sidelined most of DBZ, in fact id go as far as to argue that DBZ was all about Goku as a martial artist.
Everything there was to set the tone and stage for Goku developing as a character.
The Saiyan Saga was all about Goku learning his origins. The Namek Saga only sidelined Goku to give viewers to learn more about Piccolo, Namek, and our new enemies up until Goku goes to fight Frieza where it was ALL about Goku.
Here he embraces his Saiyan Heritage. The android Saga and Cell Saga was a mess nuff said.
I actually rewatched it a bit back and was pointing stuff out to a Friend that I never noticed, when it got to Cell's introduction HOLY mackerel was that a expodump contradicting mess.
He literally contradicts himself in the same episode while talking to Piccolo.
The reason this happened was to make Goku think he needed to find a successor so that in Buu Saga he could realize he was wrong and that there is no successor.
thats fair, I was mostly paraphrasing any way.
goku doesn't win against most main villains because he was trainign gohan, teaching fusion, being dead and returning to otherworld etc etc.
>The reason this happened was to make Goku think he needed to find a successor so that in Buu Saga he could realize he was wrong and that there is no successor.
nah, I'd say he goes with uub as his successor, and outside of GT, he is never found wanting.
mostly goku trains others to surpass him, like with gohan teaching fusion to the kids. he was mostly about the future generation in the buu saga.
Right. Sorry I 4got end of Z is Canon to DBM. Therefore you're correct about the Uub thing. 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
5 Stycznia
thebritwriter napisał:
Jesus! And I thought the infamous ‘frieza defeated’ episode title lacked subtlety!
Well, let’s see what happens.
Well, let’s see what happens.
Poetic word expression is a rare commodity these days. But who knows maybe this was intentional.
With that out of the way.
Why do people complain so much here about pacing? If DBM was finished, and 100% released...nobody would complain about the pacing.
They're releasing 3 pages a week, but that doesn't mean they should speed the pacing of the story because it's going to and HAS taken a long time to get it out there.
The pacing is actually extremely fast if you read it as a "full" thing. I haven't agreed with their direction in some areas but regardless that doesn't mean the pacing is bad.
Yeah you waited over ten years to finally see Ghast fight. Why? Because it took them that long to draw it, not because the pacing of the story is that slow xD.
For a lack of better and sugarcoating phrasing...
It's a lack of common sense to think because they're only releasing a set amount of pages per week that the pace should be increased. Patience is a virtue.
Super Gojita 3 napisał:
Hick was saying: Vault756 was saying:
More people who I can only assume forgot who was the main character of this series.
I know Goku will win, but there are many different ways he could achieve victory. For instance, he might save the day, or he could defeat Gast in a match after the previous champion, XXI, loses the title for being completely insane. In my theory, XXI is declared the winner for a time, but once everything is resolved, Goku ultimately takes the belt home.
this makes sense. goku winning the day by himself 1v1 is mostly a toei invention. goku has only defeated a main villain on his own once in dbz, not counting og db. and that was freeza.
the rest were team effort victories, with gohan killing cell with aid from vegeta, the dragon team beating vegeta, and the earth, vegeta, fat buu, satan, gohan, and the rest all contributing genki to beat kid buu.
he lost to vegeta, lost to cell and lost to buu 1v1
and you could argue vs freeza it was a team effort too, at least before he went ssj.
after he went ssj, in the manga goku dominated that fight and then embarrassed freeza by not only clobbering him, but he also spared him some energy, and quit the fight like 2 times.
so defeating xxi might be yet another team effort win.
But I wouldn't be upset if sal wrote the scenario more like a toei style movie, with goku winning.
that would be fine.
>on the subject of goku and beating "main villains"
I realize goku defeated a lot of villains in db, but by Z the story evolved to where goku was not the main focus in the fighting. so while he was present, he was mostly a support character who allowed the rest of the cast to win the fights, with his influence.
goku was sidelined most of dbz, and only beat 1 main villain on his own.
More people who I can only assume forgot who was the main character of this series.
I know Goku will win, but there are many different ways he could achieve victory. For instance, he might save the day, or he could defeat Gast in a match after the previous champion, XXI, loses the title for being completely insane. In my theory, XXI is declared the winner for a time, but once everything is resolved, Goku ultimately takes the belt home.
this makes sense. goku winning the day by himself 1v1 is mostly a toei invention. goku has only defeated a main villain on his own once in dbz, not counting og db. and that was freeza.
the rest were team effort victories, with gohan killing cell with aid from vegeta, the dragon team beating vegeta, and the earth, vegeta, fat buu, satan, gohan, and the rest all contributing genki to beat kid buu.
he lost to vegeta, lost to cell and lost to buu 1v1
and you could argue vs freeza it was a team effort too, at least before he went ssj.
after he went ssj, in the manga goku dominated that fight and then embarrassed freeza by not only clobbering him, but he also spared him some energy, and quit the fight like 2 times.
so defeating xxi might be yet another team effort win.
But I wouldn't be upset if sal wrote the scenario more like a toei style movie, with goku winning.
that would be fine.
>on the subject of goku and beating "main villains"
I realize goku defeated a lot of villains in db, but by Z the story evolved to where goku was not the main focus in the fighting. so while he was present, he was mostly a support character who allowed the rest of the cast to win the fights, with his influence.
goku was sidelined most of dbz, and only beat 1 main villain on his own.
I agree with most of this except. Goku was not sidelined most of DBZ, in fact id go as far as to argue that DBZ was all about Goku as a martial artist.
Everything there was to set the tone and stage for Goku developing as a character.
The Saiyan Saga was all about Goku learning his origins. The Namek Saga only sidelined Goku to give viewers to learn more about Piccolo, Namek, and our new enemies up until Goku goes to fight Frieza where it was ALL about Goku.
Here he embraces his Saiyan Heritage. The android Saga and Cell Saga was a mess nuff said.
I actually rewatched it a bit back and was pointing stuff out to a Friend that I never noticed, when it got to Cell's introduction HOLY mackerel was that a expodump contradicting mess.
He literally contradicts himself in the same episode while talking to Piccolo.
The reason this happened was to make Goku think he needed to find a successor so that in Buu Saga he could realize he was wrong and that there is no successor. 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
5 Stycznia
ZenBuu napisał:
Bubbles was saying: iron leaf was saying: Kururun was saying: ...Videl is not 10 years old.
Correct, she is actually 14.
While she does look a little small, she was fairly short too during Buu saga.
That is also incorrect lol
Videl should be 16 here (born in age 756), even though I also think she looks a bit younger here than that. She was 18 at the start of the Buu Saga (age 774) and this story is placed 2 years before that (age 772).
Correct, she is actually 14.
While she does look a little small, she was fairly short too during Buu saga.
That is also incorrect lol
Videl should be 16 here (born in age 756), even though I also think she looks a bit younger here than that. She was 18 at the start of the Buu Saga (age 774) and this story is placed 2 years before that (age 772).
That's objectively false. Videl was 16 in age 774. Your math is wrong, she's the same age as Gohan and they literally state Gohan's age at the beginning of the Buu Saga.
She should be 14 here but does appear a bit young.
https://imgur.com/a/tRoudIu
It says it in Kai too which Toriyama has accepted more Canon to his Story then his own Manga, which can be argued as a scan as well.
Additionally you can do the math yourself like I said.
Gohan is 4 at the start of the series.
1 year timeskip. Hes 5.
Ten days they leave to Namek, 34 days it takes to get there. 6 more days til Goku arrives.
Then one full year passes when Trunks arrives. He's now 6.
3 years. He's 9 (physically 10 due to the rotc) and finally 7 years later. 16, physically 17. 1 Odpowiedzi
WongTing
5 Stycznia
YellNinja1600 napisał:
This reminds me of sparkling zero story what ifs where early in game goku doesn’t die against raditz and instead he moves from blast before hit. And trains Gohan with Piccolo. They end up losing because goku never learns Kaio Ken.
The very 1st page clues in on that Piccolo and Goku are gonna die. That definitely isn't it.
It's called "The Last Son" basically. Come on
goten-kun napisał:
Xill was saying: So it is another universe where Raditz wins with Goku and Piccolo. Is it connected to the DBM Multiverse plot?
No, it's not connected to DBM.
No, it's not connected to DBM.
Doesn't that get tiresome to repeat? You've said three times now and people still don't pay attention.
Regardless, I wanted to compliment you on the art here. It's a big improvement from your other comic which personally was hard to read as the art was much rougher and the story didn't make too much sense.
Here the art is much more refined and structured. I'm not expecting a 1 to 1 ratio on the style, I actually prefer the way you draw it but there's some things that could still be improved.
Piccolo's head is a little too elongated here for example. It makes his head too big and if you cut it down a bit. It'd look much better
Goku's face is done exceptionally well compared to most faces in the past you've drawn but his chest is just a bit puffed out too much, I get the angle you're going for, but we should be able to see an tiny bit of his neck.
Otherwise Great Job. I don't know your process, if it's all prepared ahead of time and released on the respective days until the time comes you need to draw more again
Or if you draw each page as the time is coming. Either or, it's a well done job.
Language
That actually doesn't prove anything. Your claim is unsubstantiated. If the androids were AT all made here, chances are they are far, FAR, far, far, far weaker than they were in main timeline, which means nothing.
The only reason characters got as strong as they did before was because the plot pushed them to do so. Here we have a ten year timeskip, the only people we can safely assume is at least more powerful than before is Raditz, UNLESS the Author does some more flashbacks here soon, showing what everyone (both sides) have been up to.
Then we can find out why they are strong as they are and this battle "may" be wild and unpredictable.
However, that is a mere assumption and therefor...incorrect. The way things are now, the Human fighters dont stand a chance.
I want krillin to die in this one.
The randomness in this comment was already a bit funny, but the fact that you have an 18 PFP makes it that much funnier.