Es algo paulatino que viene ocurriendo hace años. Comencé a notarlo durante el arco Majin. Creo que más que ser un bajón de calidad, es una evolución estilística del artista - en contraste con GogetaJr, que hacia el final estaba agotado, resultando en un dibujo claramente más descuidado. Asura empezó con un estilo tremendamente similar al del anime, y a lo largo de los años fue alejándose más y más de ello hasta que llegamos acá, donde claramente ya no intenta imitar el medio original sino que está satisfecho con tener su propio estilo distintivo. Personalmente prefiero el estilo inicial de Asura por lo ya dicho, pero es algo subjetivo.

Diría que las propiedades físicas de Buu hacen que sea especialmente susceptible a este tipo de ataque. De lo contrario, no veo por qué Vegetto y especialmente Bra no lo habrían utilizando en sus otras peleas serias. Otra explicación posible es que usarlo cueste una cantidad de energía demencial, y por tanto sea mucho más eficiente utilizar técnicas más convencionales a la hora de lidiar con seres que no estén hechos de chicle mágico.

This is the happiest, most enjoyable page of the chapter - by far. Welcome back, Cell! We were just about to start your canonization process.

I don't think this relates to Vegetto's entitlement much at all. I interpreted it something like this:
"After surrendering your sanity and soul to a paltry magician’s tactics the likes of which even Cell resisted, you dare? After murdering your family and friends with unprecedented cruelty and savagery, you dare? After confessing - in a bout of evil-induced honesty - to despise those weaker than you for needing protection, you dare? After discarding your moral compass in exchange for a shortcut to self-control, you dare? After everything you’ve said, everything you’ve done – you dare think yourself worthy of acting in self-defence!?”

The transformation might have been instinctual and unintentional on his daughter's part, but given the mental state he's in - and comprehensibly so, considering the events that have just transpired and to which he's been witness - it's understandable that he's acting on impulse and thinking in absolutes, and thus reading what could be a knee-jerk reaction as an ill-intentioned gesture of defiance.

Bra is a strong independent woman who don't need no Babidi! Slay, queen! A truly great start to the year, this page is. 1 Odpowiedzi

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First, she's most likely been told stories involving Cell in the past which, if detailed, must've described the workings of his nucleus and his eventual defeat. Bra used a blast that was, given her vast advantage in power, very much overkill against a fighter of Cell's caliber (in comparison to the one that killed him way back when). She shouldn't, therefore, have had any inclination to look for the nucleus if she went solely by the anecdotes she was told.

Secondly, it hasn't been shown what exactly went on with her before she came to Babidi's rescue. It would even appear as if the wizard didn't expect her to show up. She could've been kept dormant by a doubtful Babidi who didn't know whether the majinization was a risk he wanted to take until he ran out of options; or she - much like you imply - could've been kept behind the curtains, watching the act unfold, because the wizard has a liking for suspense and wanted to lull the heroes into thinking they had bested him.

I find that last proposition to be the least likely, but even if we take it as fact, she should still be clueless as to how exactly our bugman survived, given that not even Babidi himself (who was in 'control' of Cell and should therefore be the most percipient to his tricks) caught wind of his ruse.

She might as well not know the details of the events that transpired before her appearance on the stage, and so, might've concluded that Cell and company were colluding from the start to catch her off guard, which they very much did.

I find it very implausible that she would look for a surviving nucleus with such certainty and determination, as if she were completely, unequivocally certain that she'd find it. 1 Odpowiedzi

I was just theorizing about something that's as unlikely as it is contrived: what if the Junior managed to chomp down on the Senzu bean mid-blast - giving his body enough resistance to avoid total obliteration - and what Bra thinks was Cell's nucleus was actually the calcinated remains of his son?

Why yes, how did you notice I'm just reaching?

How did she know to look for the nucleus after obliterating him? Shouldn't she assume he'd be dead after a blast like that, much like he was after Gohan's kamehameha on Earth, some thirty years ago?

I truly do hope it's the Junior's nucleus like some others have said, because otherwise, I'm mightily incensed.

Edit: I'm dumb. If that had been Jr.'s nucleus, it would've been microscopic. Unless Cell pulls a Deus Ex Machina out of his derrière, he's as good as a tiger under water: dead. Tot. Mort. 1 Odpowiedzi

Fast forward to page 2072, where Gohan's demise at the hand of Son Bra seems inevitable...
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SWEET DAPPER JESUS OF THE GENTLEMEN'S CLUB. When I asked for Alien-like deaths, I did not have this in mind. Of all characters present here, the hapless namekian deserved this the least.

Oh brat, I hope Piccolo's last words foreshadow your doom - brought upon you by the use of magic beans. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

After all the remorseless carnage inflicted upon his loved ones, I expect Gohan to be biblically incensed; there's no anger like the grief-brought one.

To fight as one is the heroes' only option, no matter what history they may share. The half-saiyan will have to momentarily cast away all resentment towards his most hated opponent in order to quell his half-sister's path of destruction.

I was always one of those who opposed the idea of Kasperbot's immortality not from dismissal of the hints, but out of distaste for the character (in a non-meta way, unlike the general displeasure at U16!Bra). After reading past chapters several times, and examining the clues, I personally started to warm up to the prospect, even if reluctantly so.
Kudos to those who, despite all the opposition, vehemently defended the immortality theory. This page is an ode to your determination.

And to supplement the discussion, here's a quote from one of OUV's posts on the forum:

And on the subject of the forum: if you want high-quality discourse, ̶b̶l̶a̶c̶k̶j̶a̶c̶k̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶h̶o̶o̶k̶e̶r̶s, go there - I'm sure you'll be welcome!

A shame. I always liked the cut of Gohan's jib.

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No, el Gohan con la camisa larga es el del U18, es decir, el que está junto a Buu y Piccolo. El que está a punto de ser desmembrado por Bra, el del U16, es el que tiene la camisa de tirantes.


Por ahora, el destino de Gohan!U16 es ambiguo, pero esa espada cortatodo no es un buen augurio.

@Argelios

I, in light of this page, would like to point out how much of a stand-up guy Cell is.


Sure, he may have his own ulterior motives and sinister machinations, but right now, he's getting beat up and disemboweled of his own accord.
He could've chosen to be quiet and stay on the winning side. Had he just feigned death for longer, the heroes would be dead. Had he teamed up with Son Bra, the heroes would be cosmic ash - deader than dead. He could've swallowed his pride, not listened to his internal voice, and (as far as he knows) just kept being Babidi's lackey, living a life of conquest and destruction. He could've even rid himself of Bra by taking her off guard and swiftly dispatching her, later on. But that's just not the kind of cicada he is. This guy, against all odds, decides he's going to fancy his chances, punch his ticket, and tell the brat "Come at me if you're feeling tough" despite knowing that he's much, much weaker than her. It doesn't just take resolve to go one on one against an opponent that makes your strongest blows look like an infant's love taps in comparison - it takes balls, and apparently, Cell has those in spades.
He put his big-boy pants on and made his choice. Now, he's standing his ground, and facing the music.

He might not be the hero we deserve, but he's the one we needed, and he sure as hell has my respect for not going down the easy route and exterminating the good guys.

Ooh, kick incoming. Brace for it Cell; it's going to hurt either way. At least you managed to get that corrosive smile off the brat's face for a whole entire page! A+ for effort.

Cell has suffered the least out of all the defenders, and seems to be the only one up to this point who has had both the courage and the resilience to spar one on one with Bra. Nothing good can last forever, however, and I think his luck and charm have begun to run out.
I'm afraid you can't win a fight against a vastly stronger foe with just charisma and good intentions, Cell.

This might be where it all starts going downhill for our heroes: if Cell dies or is otherwise incapacitated, the placeholder Z fighters are in for a bad time.

It's possible for a martial arts-centered show to also have elements of science fiction. And by the end of the Buu saga, Dragon Ball was more about transformations, fusions, absorptions and energy blasts than about fighting moves. In fact, not much thought seemed to be given to the moves themselves, as oftentimes they extended to not much more than generic punches with a few kicks added in to create the illusion of variety. Dragon Ball might've been, strictly, a Martial Arts manga at first, but started to gain more and more sci-fi traits as it delved into the Saiyan arc and beyond.

Secondly, we should not base the direction of our discourse on the basis of whether or not the authors of a certain work care about the subject being discussed. Any opinion they might have about our discussion is as relevant to the latter as the latter is to their writing.

Oh, absolutely. Dragon Ball has always put Rule of Cool and practicality over realism and consistency. However, even though I think 90% of all discussions that have stemmed from this series come from Toribot's laxness when writing, and that most inconsistencies could be explained with "Well, the author just forgot that's how that worked", I prefer to strive for an in-universe explanation (as do most fans).

It's why, after Cell's post-loss-of-capita regeneration, we concluded that he can move his nucleus, even though the most likely explanation is that Toriyama simply forgot how the bio-android's healing worked.
Despite the latter proposition's probability, it is still what happened in-universe, and is therefore canon, because it happened in the manga. The reason why it's on the paper does not matter; the fact that it is on the paper does.

The same concept applies to Cooler's trip to ye olde Sol. While I concur with you that they most likely went for the practical instead of the realistic, and that they possibly didn't even consider that their interpretation of the storyboard depicted the attack as being FTL, it still is what happened on-screen, and in the case that concerns us, it is still what happened on the special's page. It even tells us that we "already know how this fight ends" implying that scene happened exactly as in the movie.


While I don't want to barge in and cause a ruckus all anew, I would like to say that in my humble opinion, you're either not quite understanding what Xeno is trying to convey, or you're not understanding what the page itself is saying. Maybe a re-read of previous comments to better process eachother's thoughts?
All in good faith, of course.

And regarding my opinion on the subject, I agree with VoidSlayer, sort of. I think the author can decide, with total liberty, what effects (if any) going faster than light have on reality.

While I tend to agree with a former commentator's approach, which more or less went along the lines of "let's assume X has a plausible explanation that obeys all laws of Y, until such time as it has proven itself to break them all" we have reiterated examples of them going FTL, and so, while in reality that should not be possible for a physical object to achieve, it may simply be that that's not how it works in the DB universe, and that it is plausible for a being with high enough power to go faster than the fastest thing. How would that work, biologically? I have no idea. Your brain would need to process infortmation faster than the speed of light, for starters, as would your eyes. Goku would be able to solve any logical problem in less than a second, which'd be ridiculous.
But hey! Rule of Cool. Don't think about it too much.

Lest we forget that Super Saiyan Gotenks was able to fly around the Earth "a few dozen times" in the span of 29 minutes (or possibly even less, if we are to believe he did in fact take a nap). I'm no mathematician, but I wager that's quite significant.


Additionally, Goku was able to push Kooler to the Sun in a matter of seconds. Compare that to the eight minutes it takes light from the Sun to reach us here on Earth, and as early as the beginning of the Android Saga, our Super Saiyan friend laughed at light's puny velocity.

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Me extraña el hecho de que estés tan ensañado con Cell al mismo tiempo que simpatizas tanto con Bra.
Ahora, el inconsistente núcleo en cuestión: si le dan a este, ¿Cell muere? ¿Simplemente pierde la capacidad de regeneración? ¿Podrá él crecer nuevos núcleos dado el suficiente espacio de tiempo? Preguntas interesantes, que posiblemente ningunos de nosotros pueda responder.

Por último y a mi vista, Cell siempre se asemejó más a una cigarra que al blatodeo que tú propones.

NOTA: el gif viene gratis, no es necesario que me des las gracias.
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Wo-hoho, what a pleasure to my eyes. I'm sure this page would be delightful to all four other senses, were it possible to perceive it with them.

These pages have only solidified my already long-lasting love affair with the green cicada. Truly the people's villain... or should I say hero? Even though this rebellion has proven to be an interesting turning point for some characters' archs (Bra's dark side, for example) I'm more inclined to believe the former proposition is still the case: he is, still, an evildoer.
Oh Cell, you obdurant chitin-covered dog, what concoction of mischievous plans have you in mind?

Finally, let us a gander at the scene Asura possibly drew inspiration from to produce such an electrifying last panel!

Ah shucks. I've never read any of the fanfiction other than bits and pieces of the novel, but I do recall the topic of Vegetto's struggle with Potara fusion being discussed down here plenty of times.

Other than that, I'm hoping to see the cover's depiction of Cell become a reality. The prospect of him using the Kikoho (and perhaps even the Final Flash) that makes me giddy with excitement. It's as if he got so impressed by those weaker warriors' ability to conjure techniques that could put him on the spot despite the vast difference in power, that he just couldn't go on without at least attempting to replicate them. That, or Cell just has some of Tien's cells, much like in the anime.
I feel the former is more humbling. I'm going to go with that one.

They have the obese God's earrings; they could just put them on and be done with this whole kerfuffle! Of course, there'd be the issue of "together forever", but I trust that that, much like most of the other necessary (and unnecessary) evils brought upon the tournament directly and indirectly by the little scrotum-wizard's revolt, could be easily undone with one of the many sets of dragon balls in the Vargas' possession. 2 Odpowiedzi

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This is my final reply on the subject. I leave it up to the creatures from above to decide whether or not it's gotten too far. Moderator discretion is advised.

Olvidazo garrafal de mi parte: mi mente omitió completamente el hecho de que los Arcosianos no pueden sentir energías. 1 Odpowiedzi

Como se dijo arriba, muy bueno. Llegaría a decir que bastante más plausible que el especial que nos dieron.

Generalmente las historias alternativas ideadas por nosotros, los lectores, suelen ser más rebuscadas que la historia principal, porque se nos va la mano y tratamos de poner chispas de chocolate, mazapán y Nutella juntas, creando una abominación que pondría a un diabético dos metros bajo tierra.
Pero me agrada decir que no: a opinión mía, lo que tú has escrito fluye con mejor ritmo que este resumen (con todo respeto a Omaruindustries, que se curró el mejor especial en un buen rato, gracias en mayor parte a su talento artístico), e incluso mejor que la novela.



El problema es que no deberían ser capaces de pillarle por sorpresa de esa manera: un Goku en Namek, con una ventaja de poder mucho menor a la que tiene Kold frente a Piccolo y Vegeta, pudo moverse lo suficientemente rápido para esquivar a Jeice y Burter que ninguno de los dos pudo verle moviéndose. Ole, que sí, podrías decir que eso fue porque Goku estaba con la guardia alta, pero yo te pregunto: ¿si tiene la coordinación suficiente para moverse a tal velocidad, cómo no tiene la coordinación suficiente para reaccionar a tal velocidad? 1 Odpowiedzi

I think most would agree that it's an anatomy thing, not an art style thing. It's something that's well-defined in canon. By your standards, one could say that a Super Saiyan's hair color is not set in stone, but is merely headcanon, and subject to change.

There's a reason why Asura, Gogeta Jr. and most artists on DBM draw Piccolo with four fingers: not because they're particularly fond of tetradactylous characters (I assume) but because it's how he was portrayed in the manga, and they're trying (for the most part) to keep DBM as canon-compliant as possible, with a few surgical changes here and there, since it's advertised as a fanmade continuation of canon.

In any case, it was a minor nitpick, a minuscule criticism. I actually am quite surprised that was the specific part that you decided to reply to from the whole comment, but what can I say: I'm a servant of the people, so if you ask, I will answer.

EDIT: Well, it doesn't seem like we'll come to an agreement, so I'll just leave it here. Good day. 2 Odpowiedzi

How is that headcanon? There is a clear distinction, in the manga and the anime, between those that do and do not have pupils.
Members of Frieza's race don't have pupils, pure-blooded Saiyans don't (or if they do, their irises are naturally much darker, making the pupil harder to set apart), Cell's last two forms do, Super Buu and Kid Buu do, and Trunks has pupils when he's in his base form, but doesn't have them once he transforms.




(Aw, this one makes me all nostalgic for the days of Temple O' Trunks...)



Pupils have always been consistent throughout Dragon Ball. Yes, one could say it's headcanon, but after all, it's Toribot's headcanon. 1 Odpowiedzi

Huh. Hm. I do suppose one could figure that this was only made possible thanks to the efforts of Piccolo and his attack, and that it wouldn't have happened had it not been for Kold's injuries. Still a hard pill to swallow, but damn if we haven't downed bigger ones before.

Oh well, at least we're getting back to the main story in... twelve? is it twelve? Twelve days!
Hm. Unless we return to Babidi's revolt before the start of the minicomic strip, that's going to be one mighty long wrap-up-- UNLESS KOLD'S EYE IS PICKED UP BY THE BIG GETE STAR AND SUBSEQUENTLY ALLOWED TO CHEAT DEATH!

Lastly, I'd like to point out, like the prick-on-wheels that I am, that Arcosians don't have pupils: their iris lacks it, just like a Super Saiyan's.
Other than that, and as I'm sure many above and below me have and will say: wonderful job, Omaruindustries. Best special we've had in a while, and your art sure makes up for most of that merit.



Oh yes, Vegeta is known for being ruthless and pragmatic when it comes to dealing with his foes... until it matters, that is.

— He let Frieza transform, leading to the deaths of Dende, Krillin and himself.

— He let Cell absorb 18, leading to the deaths of his son, Goku, King Kai, Bubbles, and that filler cricket whose name I can't remember.

— He let Babidi majinize him, delaying any progress towards stopping the wizard, and contributing energy to Majin Buu's cocoon, thus leading to the deaths of his wife, his son, his parents in law, Gohan, Goten, Chi Chi, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Chiaotzu, Piccolo, all humans on Earth except for Mister Satan, and himself.

This is a first for Vegeta: he finally killed his opponent when it would've have been a pivotally disastrous decision to do otherwise.

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Well, even if it is a stretch, I can't deny myself the joy of drooling over the fantastic art that's being showcased in the last panel: absolute Namekian-Arcosian eye candy.

Much like some already have, I theorize that Kold will not die from this, but rather will be gravely injured. Perhaps he tries to use his remaining strenght to destroy the Earth, but someone stops him? If not, he simply is put down like an old dog who can't be trusted not to bite Timmy.
Hm, whoever that executioner might be, here's hoping they give Ridley Scott's creation the good old "You died just like your son because you held the Idiot Ball with the same iron grip. Let that sink in" shpiel. However you look at it, he's brought this upon himself.

°looks at the recommended fanfic underneath the page°

Now, the dance of Joy.

La diferencia es que Bra era, a lo sumo, nueve o diez veces más fuerte que Cell (multiplicador de DBM para el SJ2, al garete con la lógica), mientras que aquí Piccolo es cien o doscientas veces más débil que Kold. El makankosappo no debería ni rasguñar al octavo pasajero.

Y antes de que lo digan, dejadme recordaros que el Rayo Mortal (el ataque perforador de Frieza; mucho más fino y puntiagudo que el taladro del Namekiano) apenas magulló a un Goku que era sólo dos veces más fuerte que él. Esto es canon, directo del manga:



EDIT: Casi olvido que aquí mismo, en DBM, se da un ejemplo de lo que le pasa a la técnica cuando impacta contra un enemigo tan superior al usuario. Sí, se podría argumentar que el ataque, al ser cargado, aumenta mucho el poder del que lo utiliza, pero ¿Doscientas veces? No sé.



Pero ojo y cuidado: este especial es uno de los mejorcillos en un buen tiempo y si Dragon Ball siempre hubiera ido por el camino de la lógica y la consistencia, no tendríamos historia. 1 Odpowiedzi

Ah, of course! I do, too, remember that time Raditz went Super Saiyan two, and Piccolo managed to kill him with the makankosappo, while being a hundred times weaker than him!

Jokes aside, this isn't too bad. At least we didn't get rage boosts or mid-battle zenkais. It's a nice plot device to have the overconfident big bad be taken out by weaker yet more organized good guys.

Also, I think it's a universally satisfying thing to see Piccolo kick ass, no matter the circumstances. You go, Big Green!