Good page.

But if so, then why did Mirai Trunks go back in time? I thought it was kind of a point that they would be dangerous and violent and as far as I can remember, when he wanted to destroy Android before they were activated, no one was like "But they still haven't done anything wrong, so is not fair to kill them"? And if they did, then why did they destroy Cell's larval form if that Cell hadn't done anything either?


And I understand that there was no need to punish the Androids of the present, but what I think is strange is that they just stopped being violent and dangerous. What happened in the future of Trunks for them to be psychotic while those in the main timeline, they basically became well adjusted?







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But why does Vegeta (assuming he is "you know who") have to be the one to be forgiven even if he blew up entire planets? On the other hand, Fat Buu also destroyed the planet and ran away with "I was buried from my evil part because Mr. Satan gave me a dog and from now on I am good". Furthermore, Bra was just a kid when she lost control when she became SSJ and had no real intention of blowing up that planet. This is different from grown adults who laugh at an exploding planet and compare it to fireworks.


Kakarotto was strangling Goten Uni 18 while Nappa was strangling Bra uni 18. They hadn't killed anyone at that time, but why would Gohan wait to see that? Furthermore, Badorck was practically an accident since Gohan wanted to hit Babidi and not because he thinks Badorck deserves to be punished or something.


Cell is an extremely powerful and intelligent artificial creature, so he does not have the unstable mind of an explosive teenager who has resentments for not being allowed to be destructive. In other words, Bra is much more immature than Cell, who is simply evil, but has more self-control.


Edit: Another thing I remembered is that in the last special, Gohan threatened to kill Vegeta if he put Pan at risk. It makes me think that if Bra had killed Pan or Videl (or both), then Gohan would most likely want to slaughter Bra just as he did with Kakarotto uni 13.

In fact, it makes sense that Gohan uni 16 be parthenalistic with Bra from his universe, but why would Gohan uni 18 have that? If he can kill his father's alternative version, then why would he hold on to a Bra from another universe?

But forgiving Bra after getting rid of the majin is not so difficult since he didn't even do anything with Kakarotto and just knocked out Nappa (and Bra was already kicked).

Well, I not entered the DBZ fandom much and I didn't know that there were many people who had a problem with Goku's attitude, so excuse me my ignorance. But even so, the narrative seems to imply that Goku's mentality is right since many of the villains who are easily forgiven help a lot (although Picolo helps a lot more than Vegeta, who gets in the way more often). Anyway, I think I should reread the manga because I think I forgot some things.


I'm not saying that Androids deserve to die for the actions they would still do in the future, but wasn't Mirai Trunks' goal from the beginning to destroy them before they were activated? Also, I don't understand why Androids didn't have the same destructive personality that they had in Trunks' future if they are the same Androids. Okay they are tolerated for not doing the same damage, but what exactly caused them to be relatively behaved? Just because Cell absorbed them?


For some reason, I think Bra will still cause more problems and suffer a lot of problems similar to what happened with Vegeta throughout the series instead of the protagonists directly punishing Bra. Do you remember the visions of Bardock, where Picolo seems to berate Vegeta and Bra? That's exactly why.

And another idea to restrict Bra is that Bulma could have created a device similar to what Paragus did with Broly for control he. Bulma can literally create a time machine, but for some reason she doesn't even show up in her daughter's life and use her intelligence to do something. Seriously, what does Salagir have against Bulma?






Thinking about the Androids, I think it's stupid that they didn't revive Android 16 since it was good and decent, but back to the point ...

I don't know if you're just kidding, but in the context of the story, Bra is easily forgiven due to family connections, although their attitude seems a little confused. Gohan and Gotenks seem to be the type to give a second chance anyway, but does it make sense for Vegetto to act so aggressive? Where's the part of Goku who easily forgave villains much worse than brainwashed Bra? And why does uni 18 seem to pay more attention to Bra uni 16 than to their Bra?

On the other hand, Gast is so OP and confident (in some way, he even neutralized Vegetto SSJ 3) that I can see why he doesn't care about Bra's outbursts. In fact, violence and death are so cheap in this franchise that the remorse and disappointment look in Pan seems to have more impact than Vegetto SSJ3 repeatedly beating Bra.


Well, in my case, I don't like Bra just because of the cool design, but she give something original that hadn't yet appeared in the franchise: A female sayan that can reach the SSJ. Sure, Pan did it first, but Bra also incorporated warlike elements that sayan are known for.

But since then, I've read that there are other sayan females arriving at SSJ in Super ("an SSJ sale" as Vegeta would say), so Bra may not look very interesting and looks more like a female Broly.

In fact, I already thought that Bra could have had some potential wasted by the time that GT was shown, but GT ... It was GT. So when I saw Pan and Bra in DBM being warriors as they should be, I was really interested in the idea.

But one thing that bothers me is that Bra uni 18, the one that should represent the original Bra that appeared at the end of the Buu Arc, is very neglected. Her biggest scene was just now to scold Bra uni 16 and even now there is a lot more focus on Bra uni 16. It is even funny to think that the "Bra" that everyone refers to should be an alternative version as Vegeta uni 13 is for Vegeta uni 18, but everyone is careful to differentiate the Vegeta.


In fact, the same can be said of the entire 18. They are the original version and should be the main characters, but it seems more as if the main characters were uni 16, Gast, Zen Buu, occasionally uni 13, Helios and ... Uni 18 as special guests.


And in the meantime, what happened to uni 9? So Radtiz (uni 13, but he was uni 9) apparently was not controlled by Babidi, but what did the others do?


Sorry by long post.

Well, while it makes sense that heroes are expected to have good qualities while villains are expected to be evil, there is a lot of example and gray context. For example, in Harry Potter, Snape (an unpleasant "hero") is much more liked than Umbridge (a villain really evil) because the latter is an unbearable villain.


But what confuses me is that what’s happening to Bra is no different than what we’ve seen in Dragon Ball and it’s such a prevalent narrative that I don’t know why it bothers people so much less that they’ve always had a problem with it in series.

For example, why did Goku want to spare Vegeta after the first fight? It was never explained beyond Goku seeing him as a rival. Yes, he was beaten up by Frieza later, but that does not justify Gohan and Bulma acting all friendly with him and allowing him to live in luxury on earth. Later, Vegeta threatens to kill everyone (including Bulma) if they get in the way of activating the Androids and only Bulma gets mad about it and then they... Make a baby and live happily together in that luxury Capsule mansion. (Of course, he is beaten later, but still.)


So do you see the pattern? Vegeta is never formally punished by the protagonists and whenever he suffers it is only due to their actions and in the hands of other villains.

But Android 18 and Android 17 take the cake. They were considered dangerous and sociopathic in the future of Mirai Trunks, but Cell stole the spot, Android 18 is rescued while Android 17 is revived (note that no one thought to rebuild Android 16), but then what happened to them? Were they punished for their crimes? Absolutely nothing happened except Android 18 to make a baby and Android 17 to be remembered only when the plot wants it. But to be fair, I read that they were reworked in Dragon Ball Super, so maybe they received adequate developments?


And talking about the villains who ended up turning to dust, even they had a chance of redemption. Goku wanted to spare Radtiz because they were brothers, he knocked out Ginyu Forces (and Vegeta killed them anyway), would spare Frieza while Mirai Trunks and Gohan tried to talk Cell about his villainy, but the ones they did (maybe with exception of Ginyu Force who were unconscious)? They insisted and fought out of control and were killed by the heroes in self-defense.

And it makes me think that Bra is only being spared because she stopped attacking, but Gotenks made it clear that he would kill if she had remained out of control. In fact, when did Dragon Ball's protagonists ("heroes", not Vegeta in Namek) kill a vulnerable enemy? Only the most violent ones turn to dust while the others are left to walk the world, make babies and adopt a dog (Fat Buu) just because they stopped hitting the heroes.


And in my view, Bra uni 16 and Vegetto look like they were built to be more like villains, while Uni 18 should become the real heroic protagonists, but Salagir needs to focus more on Uni 18.


Sorry if I'm looking rude or anything. I had a lot of problems right at the beginning of DBM, when people hated Bra for every little thing (for example, senzu during the fight against Cold was not against rules, but some think it violated some sacred law or something), so I am not going to continue the conversation (yes, Bra is not innocent, but some of the things she does are quite disposable).


But I appreciate commenting constructive comments because I'm just sharing thoughts and I don't want to cause any fights or controversy.



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At least art good.

It is ironic how there are a lot of people idolizing Dabura, while they hate Bra. Bra felt remorseful for her actions, while her own family promises that they will kill him if she is a threat.

But Dabura not only does not regret his evil actions, but he has no redeeming qualities and is simply evil. Now he will rule an entire universe with his demonic family oppressing, massacring and committing heinous crimes against innocent people.

And now we will have a Broly special, which is very similar to Bra. Both are unstable, violent and careless with their own security especially when they become SSJ. But at least Bra has redeeming qualities that Broly doesn't.But for some reason, Bra is the only one who must be harshly judged on the morality of real life and has to be a better person while idolizing Kakatto and Vegeta uni 13, because they are violent and uncontrolled sayans.


Sorry if I'm looking rude, but it's a lot of hypocrisy. I think I won't be coming back here for a long time, even more.


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