Zen Buu...

Why am I getting the feeling that Babidi actually was failing to Majinize Bra and Zen Buu either gave a "push" to let it happen or Zen Buu is the one actually in control of Bra?

Eitherway the Heroes will lose and Zen Buu will "free" Bra of the Majinization just as Vegito arrives.

This will push Vegito into a state of power and rage that Zen Buu has longed for. Vegito at full power is his only truly worthy adversary.

I think worthless is an attribute, they gave themselves. If fighting is literally the only thing you are able to do, but there are others, that are better than you, then what is your purpose in life? I don't see saiyans training in dojos, so the only way for them to become stronger than the tsufuls are real fights, which the tsufuls would tend to keep from happening, because that would mean severe damage to their civilisation.

Kor Saiyajinkami was saying: I seriously don't like the way this makes the Tsufuls out to be tyrannical oppressors of the Saiyans, which therefore makes it seem like the Saiyans were at least partially justified in wiping them out. It honestly just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.

I much prefer the way the anime shows them at the point before the war broke out. They were two species very much separated from each other by mutual design and the Saiyans ended up coming together under presumably King Vegeta to ruthlessly slaughter them.

I mean where exactly does it imply the Tsufuls to be tyrannical oppressors? It says they live as outcasts or servants, which considering that this story considers King Vegeta to be one of the few "Intelligent" Saiyans? That means most of them are acting like savages that only want to flaunt their power.

Would you really see ruthless fighters that show no empathy or attempt at living as your equals as someone you wouldn't shun or push away? You don't need to hire them as mercenaries because you have equipment that is far stronger than theirs, but considering "Servants" they probably pay them in food and potentially shelter to help them with grunt work. They were called servants not slaves, Servants are employees, slaves are property.

The ones that are not willing to be servants or learn how to live in society like the Tsufuls where they utilize they technology and act civilized and not like barbarians? They become outcasts/beggars that struggle to survive.

That's like calling us tyrannical oppressors because there are homeless people in our very city.

Phenom was saying: It's been some years since I called bullshit on this series, but Slug wasn't so strong to go as far to one-shot Vegeta. I would admit Base Slug is slightly stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta since he gave Goku a much harder fight, but this is ridiculous.
Your power scailing is off. Slug is north of ginyu when healthy and young. Half of that power (so slug via old age) is more then enough to defeat a sayain saga vegeta.

GodofWar was saying: Kakarots not going to talk, he’s going to let Slug beat his ass, He’s going to use his immortality to regenerate, and then he’s going to win

I don't think Kakarot needs to talk, nor does Slug expect him to. He's gonna scan his mind and look through his memories. Plus, immortality doesn't mean he can regenerate or that he's indestructable, just that he can't die from damage/bleeding out. If Slug were to say, obliterate his head, Kakarot might still be able to control his body, but he won't get his head back

Bubbles was saying: So it's confirmed: Slug's minions are weaker than Saiyan Saga Vegeta!
A Slug minion is weak enough to be creamed by Veggy, at least initially.

I always figured the two Orange guys were the stupidest and weakest of the henchmen.

kkk was saying: So I was right about Kakarotto's immortality theory being either proved or debunked on this page, but was wrong about it being debunked already by Gohan.

It's really weird Kakarotto isn't doing anything during Bra's fight if he's still alive. I blame this for my misjudgment.
Kakarot isn't immortal by then. DBM is playing a slick game. They are going to play to both sides of the controversy. Quite clever really, but it's obvious now. They can't get passed what they have written in the novel.

newhinhin was saying: King 4 was saying: Does anyone find it odd how he’s calls Gohan, “big brother”. That reverence in title to an older sibling is kinda a little archaic in America at least.
It's very normal in the East to say "big brother/sister" instead of their names, calling family members that's older than yourself by name is considered a very rude action, with a few exceptions ofc.
Imagine calling your mom and dad by their names if you're from the West, it's exactly the same concept. In the east they just expand this "rule" to all family members instead of just mom and dad. We don't even call our uncles/aunties added with their names at the end, instead, we will say the number of their age rank in their family, and then add "uncle" at the end. Like: "Hello Big(the oldest one) uncle!" or "Hello second aunty" or "Hello little(the youngest one) uncle". I'm from asia and but I grow up in the west, so I understand how it sounds weird to both sides. But that's how the culture different is :)

Yeah but usually people only say that out of respect, you really think Bra has any sense of respect at this point for her big brother? My big brother IRL is a goof ball but I don't go severing his spinal cord. Bra has no regard for Gohan's life now that she is Babidi's slave.

Also, I would expect the "real" Gohan to say this, but he's still trying while the one that trained and knows Bra just gived up? That seems kinda ooc for Gohan. He is right, but it's still ooc.

@MrPerson0

He was 11

Raditz invasion: 4
Saiyan invasion:5
Namek saga:5 (which is several months long to reach Namek)
Goku's return: 6,5
Androids saga: 9,5
Leaving the time chamber: 10
Celebrating birthday in the ten days before Cell games:11
Post timeskip:18
Which would make him 28 by the end of Z and 38 by the start of DBM

And they lireally call it "his elevneth birthday" in the anime.

And for the first point, that's some skewed priorities there mate, let's give Cell a senzu bean so Gohan stands no chance against him and HAS to go ssj2, instead of leaving him weaker so Gohan stands a chance in his ssj form.

@Dr. Raichi
>after giving him a senzu bean to "make the fight fair"

I mean, do you think Gohan could have obtained SSJ2 is Cell was weaker to the point where he couldn't beat Gohan around or summon Cell Jr.s to take care of everyone?

Also, Gohan was nine years old.

I still NEED to know how he powered up enough to defeat Roshi. That is the most important piece of info to me. The training he did with Gohan still seems insufficient since I'm pretty sure Roshi was stronger than Gohan.

@GodofWar

Rival? The guy blew up the moon as an alternative to killing Goku. Roshi was WAY stronger.
Hell Roshi was still stronger than Tien 3 years later. When Tien stated Roshi was "holding back" against him.
In my opinion Roshi was only surpassed the moment Goku drank the mystic water. As Roshi opted to seal Piccolo instead of fighting him and Roshi's death meant the heroes where on their own and Roshi couldn't save them.

Poor old Gohan, Kakarot will mercilessly kill him in the coming pages. But I have always been curious about this...at this point who was stronger....Mas­ter Roshi or Grandpa Gohan??

GodofWar was saying: Igyzone was saying: Stouty22 was saying: Females was saying: Is it just me or does anyone else see that strange line through the second panel? Looks like its another image in it

No I see it too. It's weird to say the least.

It's actually the same image if you look closely, about an inch above the line. Probably some kind of error when rendering or something...

Or it could be to represent the fact that this is when the timeline splits between Trunks timeline and the main timeline

Not likely, since the timeline split when Trunks arrived, not this late in the timeline.

Stouty22 was saying: Females was saying: Is it just me or does anyone else see that strange line through the second panel? Looks like its another image in it

No I see it too. It's weird to say the least.

It's actually the same image if you look closely, about an inch above the line. Probably some kind of error when rendering or something...