I'd also assume that Goku couldn't just IT to another planet to recoup because Broly's destroyed any of the ones he'd consider/be able to get to.

The Thunderer was saying: BrutaleBent was saying: Soo, since Goku sensed that (possibly increadibly high) ki, why isn't he already IT to Vegeta, IT away, teach him fusion dance, IT back and end Broly?
Takes a while to learn the fusion dance, and it's never been Goku's first move. They might think they can stop it without fusing anyhow.

goku is stupid but he's not an absolute brainlet, if he was that concenred before even fighting I don't think he would screw around at all

Reisen Storm was saying: Kryslor was saying: Alphrant was saying:
Dude, it has been established in this canon that broly's power just rises with the passage of time, that's the nature of the LSSJ in DBM. If you have no idea what i am talking about check the FAQ.

But still, why you are surprised now about broly's power, like... did u miss the entire vegeto vs broly fight?

It was also established he was only invincible from physical damage (except carbonite because....reasons) while in legendary form. Are we supposed to assume he maintained the form for 10 straight years while flying through space without needing to breathe?
The more pressing matters are why didn't King Kai, Old Kai, or Kibito Kai forewarn the Z-fighters that Broly was alive? If we go by the novelization, Broly's in his LSSJ is mindless berserk destroying and killing everything in his path, with Goku, or "Kakarotto", being the only thing that will give him any sort of focus and that's only if he spots him in the first place. I also like to point out in the novel, Goku in his Super Saiyan 3 form, could at minimum, deal with Broly. With the information that's been given, Broly for all intents and purposes should have lost in Universe 20.


"Kakarotto!" Without wasting a second, Goku tightly clenched his fists and transformed into Super Saiyan 3. This was the minimum power he would need to cope up with Broly, who seemed be at least twice as strong as before! This change in physical appearance slightly surprised Broly. He had a moment of déjà vu... The slightly larger muscles, the long golden hair... -Dragon Ball Multiverse: The Novelization, Chapter 42,
well, most likely his unconsciousness while drifting through space, also kept him powering up. Remember, this is more than 10 years after the last time they fought broly, that is a long time to slowly power up while in Legendary.

Alphrant was saying:
Dude, it has been established in this canon that broly's power just rises with the passage of time, that's the nature of the LSSJ in DBM. If you have no idea what i am talking about check the FAQ.

But still, why you are surprised now about broly's power, like... did u miss the entire vegeto vs broly fight?

It was also established he was only invincible from physical damage (except carbonite because....reasons) while in legendary form. Are we supposed to assume he maintained the form for 10 straight years while flying through space without needing to breathe?

Reisen Storm was saying: e!

Füchsin was saying: MB_ was saying: I'm honestly pretty excited for the next special. Broly in the EOZ era is something original instead of a movie retelling, and the links to Rogeru's art are very promising.

I hope they shake up the typical Broly encounter formula a bit. People throwing attacks at him that he ignores until all combine their power for big finisher is something that we have seen often enough.
This is based on Universe 20. So Broly wins and kills the Z-fighters.

Yes I know. I still hope it's not just Broly bulldozing everything. He has to be the most boring DBZ villain ever. Even compared to the subpar ones from the other movies.

MB_ was saying: I'm honestly pretty excited for the next special. Broly in the EOZ era is something original instead of a movie retelling, and the links to Rogeru's art are very promising.

I hope they shake up the typical Broly encounter formula a bit. People throwing attacks at him that he ignores until all combine their power for big finisher is something that we have seen often enough.

So wait did the immortal kakarot die? why is he spooked by this occurrence? Other than that I like the after life joke. Also everyone sees the wonder woman in the top, but is the guy next to her just some guy or is that suppose to be her brother from that recent run of wonder woman or just a weird cosplay.

kiobruh was saying: So wait did the immortal kakarot die? why is he spooked by this occurrence? Other than that I like the after life joke. Also everyone sees the wonder woman in the top, but is the guy next to her just some guy or is that suppose to be her brother from that recent run of wonder woman or just a weird cosplay.

He was healed, as stated by Zen Buu "every one is back and healed"

In Vegito's defense, he DID believe in Bra. For years. Obviously, Gast has no way of knowing that.

1. Why can Bra control SS2 now? Why should Majinization have anything to do with that? Majinization didn’t cure Kakarot’s madness. Babidi’s controlling people, not giving out therapy! Why should succumbing to someone else’s control grant personal control? If anything, doesn’t Bra getting taken over by Babidi show a lack of the sort of willpower needed to control herself?

2. How should U18 Bra know if U16 Bra can control SS2? She’s never trained a day in her life! She doesn’t even have SS1! So not only do we have another instance of someone who shouldn’t really be talking speaking up to defend Bra (and knowing something they shouldn’t know), but this confirms Bra has gotten only permanent positives from Majinization and killing everyone. Lacking the “willpower” to resist Babidi (which I dispute Bra lacks) is explicitly better morally than resisting him like Vegeta did.
Consider: in DBM’s eyes, it’s better to kill a billion people unintentionally (Bra), than killing a hundred intentionally (Majin Vegeta). Personally, I’d rather 999,999,900 more people lived.She was dark enough to be controlled, and now she’s permanently better off for it (for no reason: see #1) without facing any kind of repercussions. Her main potential consequence just got Deus Ex Machina’d and told to shut up for even thinking about it.

3. U18 Bra says U16 Bra broke Babidi’s control “on her own.” Not only is her happy smile a complete 180 from spitting contempt at U16 Bra earlier, but now the story has given the credit of U16 Bra breaking free to exclusively U16 Bra. Not only does this trivialize U18 Bra’s one relevant moment in the story, but if Bra alone overcame Babidi according to the story, that only supports what people have argued for pages: U16 Bra could’ve broken free at any time, and only did so when her strength was threatened, NOT because she felt killing everyone was wrong. It was being called weak and “passive” that got to her, not murdering her brother.

4. Vegito’s actions are labelled as murder, explicitly stating he’s wrong. He is wrong to prioritize the safety of the entire universe over his daughter’s life! How much more Bra-centric morally can you get? And even if Bra can control SS2 now, Vegito didn’t know that when he made his decision to kill her!

5. "You really think that low of me?" Girl, he didn't think you'd be Majinized at all, remember? He thought you and Gohan could handle it!

In conclusion: Bra good, Vegito bad, and have a free power upgrade.

Reisen Storm was saying: Can't wait to see how Vegetto handles this defeat. Good lord knows, he can't handle magical bullshit whenever he's trounced.
We're going to see a mental breakdown on par with Vegeta on namek.

Controversial statement, but I don't blame Goku for trying to diffuse the situation here. He probably doesn't want anymore bloodshed after everything that has happened.

No child should ever have to hear their father tell them that, and yet she did just kill billions. So thank Kami for the Dragon Balls lmao. As an aside though, maybe Vegetto should've sent Bra off to get trained spiritually with the Namekians on New Namek like how Goku got raised and trained by Kami? If I'm recalling correctly, Goku actually was more reluctant to kill his opponents after doing that. Maybe that would help her with her issues!

Super Gojita 3 was saying:
But this special would also have had to have been better at helping her case too, it doesn't. The little detail of her "not remembering" what she did and not caring, but remembering she won.

At this point, it's also not optimal, but the negative character arc into villainy would at least be more interesting imo.

Vegeta! Your power level! It's over 9 thousaaaand!
King 4 was saying: Is there is a reason why nappa is so strong? In the manga, he was only 5k at max!
I'm a bit too lazy to look up the manga, but I do remember lots about ol Nappa. The 4k power many have stated was clearly false since Piccolo was ofc 3.5k and got easily killed. Remember Nappa powered up at some point and I doubt it was just by 1k. Not sure where the original source is but when he powered up, he was at 8k. That's why he was shocked with the ol' "over 8 thousand" meme and also considering Goku using Kaioken to completely beat him, makes perfect sense.