And I love how the last panel basically confirms the content of the Hanasia novel here. Haha. Yeah, Snower is one of the few Frostdemons who came to power through skill and manipulation. The Rule of 2 is mentioned verbatim, which in DBM at least explains why the last Frostdemon family clans ultimately had only two children each (or got eliminated by not abiding to the rule). And it also explains why Frostdemons do occupy a privileged position in the universe, so to speak, among the deities. The powerful work together to maintain the status quo they have achieved. Let's rig the 'game' so newcomer cannot reach that same level. That's probably Snower's biggest achievement here.

You have nothing to base that on, in fact everything we do know points to the opposite. Cell is stronger than even Gohan, and we know Gohan has more potential than Goku and Vegeta, which means they will never surpass Gohan now that his potential (and beyond) has been unlocked by the ritual. So even if Goku and Vegeta got the mystic ritual themselves (which is in every way superior thing to nssj), they would still be weaker than Gohan.

So yes, Cell is stronger than Goku and Vegeta, even if they were to use nssj

ChrisOfChaos was saying:
He's just confirming his strat against Cell in the last panel, and comparing U13 to himself, pointing that he knows that he's weaker than him.

Plus I love these SSJ3 forms so much more than what we got in Daima

Lucas was saying: So a Kaioshin Goddess with her potential unlocked by Old Kaioshin, weilding the Z-Sword was strong enough to defeat XXI? Interesting.

Btw, at first I wondered why Old Kaioshin was still old if this was in ancient times... then I remembered he was probably sealed in the Z-Sword soon after this, thus remaining the same age in present times. Though I'm not sure who sealed him in DBM canon, since Beerus doesn't exist.

Old kai became old when he merged with the witch.

recall that he's a fusion of potara that got weaker, seemingly due to bad compatibility, or the black magic of the witch and his godly white magic abilities.

in any case, old kai got old from merging with an old woman

We weren't inside XXI's stomach, but his stomach was outside. This explains why the arena disappeared and everyone was dispersed so far apart.

I think it's pretty self-explanatory for anyone who has been reading carefully. C17 and C18 did not ultimately break Vegetto's frozen body in the Life Skip, as one might have expected, because Vegetto teleported to XXI before South Kaioshin activated the Life Skip.

In case anyone is confused about what happened here. On Page 2520, Vegetto anounced that he would kill XXI. The very next Comic-Panel shows us South Kaioshin anouncing that he will intervene. And the panel after that shows us a black screen, suggesting that Life-Skip has been activated. Today's Page 2585 explains in great detail what exactly happened between Panel 3 and Panel 4 of Page 2520. Gast and Vegetto still acted before South Kai actually activated Life-Skip.

if that smoke is the thing protecting them from the life skip, then why do 17 and 18 have it? they are immune, unless it has other benefits.

But why would Pan ask Piccolo and not Gohan? Or even U16 Videl?

Oh, then I can definitely recommend DB AF by Young Jijii, where we get an adult Gotenks who is serious and actually defeats an arc villain.

But WHY is it working??? It doesn't make any sense.

The one thing I never understood about U9 Krillin is why he's so old. They never explain it while everyone else looks their normal age. I know Yamcha's a Cyborg but human Trunks still looks like a teenager/young adult.

Lucas was saying: Hope Cell gets his time to shine during the upcoming conflict too. I dig his character in DBM.

Nemesis was saying: Cell : emits a far more powerful Ki that Bojack can detect. Effortlessly dodged the hit.

Bojack, an intellectual known for being smart and composed : Yargh, I'll attack that sprog from the front! He dodged? That basic Ki blast will definitely do the trick!

Wait, what? Since when has Bojack been an intellectual? Unless I've seen the movies so long ago that I forgot he was completely different as to how he is characterized in DBM, Bojack is anything but an intellectual. Just a punk/bully with enough power to force others to listen to his bs.

Unless that was sarcasm, then forget I said anything.

It was sarcasm and rather obvious sarcasm at that.

Nemesis was saying: Cell : emits a far more powerful Ki that Bojack can detect. Effortlessly dodged the hit.

Bojack, an intellectual known for being smart and composed : Yargh, I'll attack that sprog from the front! He dodged? That basic Ki blast will definitely do the trick!

The only thing Bojack can do is just forfeit. It's not like Bojack being a good fighter is gonna bridge the gap between him and Cell at this point.

Cell : emits a far more powerful Ki that Bojack can detect. Effortlessly dodged the hit.

Bojack, an intellectual known for being smart and composed : Yargh, I'll attack that sprog from the front! He dodged? That basic Ki blast will definitely do the trick!

I think DBM's version of Trunks where he's focused on rebuilding the world makes a lot more sense than the DBS version where he trained really hard every day for no reason

So, here we are again with a new chapter!

Some of you already noticed that I love drop references and Easter Eggs on my drawings (the cover page is full of them) but this one I particularly asked Salagir if we could change the last panel to be exactly like this one scene:
https://youtu.be/aOQhQa8c2T0?si=g363ialeR3byRyHO
(Skip to 1:50)

And since we are on the topic, I hope you also enjoy Cell's other forms from this Universe 7 version!

I'll see you around the comment section, and thanks for all the positive feedback we've been getting from this special chapters, it means a lot !

Lucas was saying: It will be nice to see this fight in color. Also, another difference with the source material is that Future Trunks never got SSJ2 in DBM. Would've been cool, I guess.

Dbm is following before trunks came back in the black arc with ssj2 if I'm not mistaken

Hello Operator was saying: In the last panel, his wish was "Bring the Warriors to me."
That was XXI's wish? That's new to me... If you refer to that one comment from the previous page, that was nonsense. I don't know why "Rodriog" wrote that, but it's definitely incorrect. There is a more proper translation for the wish from Saso in the comments, using Minicomic 105.

I'm going to repost it here again:

can 18 damage Vegetto if The World is activated while he's in ssj

New page on my version of Goku vs XXI

Lucas was saying: Wait, this means that if XXI asks for something devious, then the Namekians could just refuse to translate it to the dragon, right?
Well, correct... But let's not forget that XXI can also speak Namekian (page 2461).

I asked if Goku wouldn’t have time to do something before XXI since he’s so fast and pointed out he spoke a few words without a hole in his chest. (The image said: “But he has to break out in less than 0.08 seconds! I calculated it.”) Ve-Gui-To! said again it was for dramatic effect and that it throws people off, but it’s normal manga rules.

BangBang was saying: Oh, the irony...

Definitely. Goku had to transform here, mind you. His own one-shot loss was done using a technique, albeit after the first try failed.

It does make me wonder if Goku could defeat #17 using just the Kaioken at this point, though.

I'm sorry that you went into the fight with different expectations. However, did you really expect something climactic with XXI? That's one of the consistent character portrayals about XXI. That he wants to win his fights as quickly and effectively as possible. No distractions, just straight to the point.

You unfortunately came in with the expectations that the finale with XXI and Goku should be comparable to XXI's semi-final fight with Gast. But XXI was never intending to have a spectacular fight. It was only because he couldn't exploit any obvious weaknesses in the Namekian to take Gast by surprise like he could with Vegetto, or #18 or Zenbuu. When XXI came up with an idea on how to easily defeat Goku, it's pretty logical that it would happen the same way as before. As quickly and effectively as possible.

You just have to accept that DBM has basically applied the My Hero Academia principle here. The finale is not the most important or even the most spectacular fight. And don't worry, we will certainly find out soon enough how XXI and his allies will act later on. If the Bardock visions all happen at some point, then the effects of the recruitment from the flashback chapter will happen too.

And don't forget. The old wizard is not XXI, but merely a shell for the smoke monster, which is actually XXI. ZenBuu immediately destroyed the old wizard's body and XXI still found a way to seal Buu. What should Goku have done? It's perfectly logical (by Dragonball standards) that Goku would try to tempt XXI into dropping information that could help him out. It's not atypical for Goku. Elder Kaioshin has issued a warning about XXI. Still, Goku would give anyone the benefit of the doubt. The way Goku acted in the fights with Vegeta, Freeza, Cell or Buu, this is absolutely fine.

XXI ultimately gave Goku a false sense of security by fooling everyone into thinking he had no new tricks up his sleeve. That's a good tactic.

He was just asking if you're okay or not! >:( Seriously, the Ginyu Force has every right to turn on Freeza after everything. They just don't have the balls to do so. xD

I'm surprised this didn't send King Cold into a rage.

U18 Goku is not more of a "genius when it comes to battling" than U16 Vegetto is.

0.08 seconds? so as soon as he got sent in, he should have broken out immediately then. Like as soon as Trunks said it.

Lucas was saying: Really cool cover, I love it!

I'm intrigued as to why Master Roshi and the DB versions of Piccolo and Tien are there though. I wonder if it will do something similar to Super's manga, where UI was kind of a culmination of those basic teachings. Would be an interesting why to dive deeper into NSSJ.

It's the tournament finalists that Goku has fought

kingworld was saying: This has me wonder: what's the limit on the "cloth beam" of Piccolo? Could he materialize a 10^1000 tons cloth on someone, possibly squashing even the Vegetto?
Maybe such a massive cloth that turns into a black hole, thus killing anyone but U20 Broly?
Could he create a poisonous cloth that instantly kills the wearer, or an antimatter one, that annihilates the opponent?
If he could do that, he would've tried that against Majin Son Bra.

With the power of I'K'L and his corrupted mind, South is now independent of Elder Kaoshin and the XXI, his own party here. But it was so clear that it must have nothing to do with XXI, but with I'K'L, why South is acting so strange. The very first page of the chapter (page 2482) was actually enough of a clue.

Goku and Vegeta aren't stronger than Gohan

The reason why the observers were surprised by their power is because none of them knew what was going on, all they saw was base form Goku and Vegeta and so expected them to fight on a base form level, not SSJ3 level which is how strong their max are.

I have a sinking feeling that a lot of people have completely forgotten about page 2482. South is clearly not fully himself at this moment. Something with I'K'L or maybe XXI kind of influenced him. Magic, special ability, simple manipulation? Hard to say. Still, it fits South's character. He's one of the few who's been a stickler for the rules. Every time, it's even made fun of at his expense. So much so that undermining South's authority is one of the longest running gags in DBM.

What's more, with the appointment of North as the new Grand Supreme Kai, the Kaioshin of the 4 who was most likely to speak out in favor of continuing the tournament was chosen. (Dai Kaioshin may have chosen North on purpose so that the tournament would continue). Then comes the scene with I'K'L and Yamcha. And later XXI's comment on page 2450.

It's perfectly understandable that South has finally had enough. All it takes is one 'manipulation' as a spark, and the Kaioshin falls like a domino.

I’m a bit disappointed by Kakarot’s reaction to Raditz’s death. You’d expect something more intense, a moment where he truly grasps the loss of his brother, but instead, it feels like it doesn’t matter to him at all.

Lucas was saying: LegendaryArte was saying: Lucas was saying: Dislpay name was saying: Ayashi was saying: Doesn't Oozaru come with a x10 multiplier while SSJ is a x50?

there are a lot more variables at play here than just the multipliers and those the multipliers are not cannon to DBM. The current canon (as far as i'm aware) is that normal Oozaru's have a 2 times multiplier and ssj has a 10 times multiplier.

Ozaru is 10 times stronger, Vegeta says that in the Saiyan saga. Doubt DBM would randomly retcon that.

That said, we don't know how strong Raditz and Bardock are in their base forms here. We only know Raditz's base form is way stronger than Ginyu. So with Ozaru he's 10 times stronger than that. Meanwhile SSJ is definitely a bigger boost from base form, but we don't know how strong Bardock is at this point.

I'm not sure if the specials made that a bit more clear, I've read them but I don't remember if there's something there that might help power scale DBM Bardock. Guess that's what happens when you read a comic slowly over the years, you tend to forget stuff.

DBM did retcon Oozaru. It’s been stated that in DBM Oozaru form only multiplies by two fold.

Where? I've read the whole comic and don't recall anyone ever saying that Ozaru only doubles the base power level.

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Lucas was saying: Dislpay name was saying: Ayashi was saying: Doesn't Oozaru come with a x10 multiplier while SSJ is a x50?

there are a lot more variables at play here than just the multipliers and those the multipliers are not cannon to DBM. The current canon (as far as i'm aware) is that normal Oozaru's have a 2 times multiplier and ssj has a 10 times multiplier.

Ozaru is 10 times stronger, Vegeta says that in the Saiyan saga. Doubt DBM would randomly retcon that.

That said, we don't know how strong Raditz and Bardock are in their base forms here. We only know Raditz's base form is way stronger than Ginyu. So with Ozaru he's 10 times stronger than that. Meanwhile SSJ is definitely a bigger boost from base form, but we don't know how strong Bardock is at this point.

I'm not sure if the specials made that a bit more clear, I've read them but I don't remember if there's something there that might help power scale DBM Bardock. Guess that's what happens when you read a comic slowly over the years, you tend to forget stuff.

DBM did retcon Oozaru. It’s been stated that in DBM Oozaru form only multiplies by two fold.

Ayashi was saying: Doesn't Oozaru come with a x10 multiplier while SSJ is a x50?

there are a lot more variables at play here than just the multipliers and those the multipliers are not cannon to DBM. The current canon (as far as i'm aware) is that normal Oozaru's have a 2 times multiplier and ssj has a 10 times multiplier.

Beni-Kujaku was saying: Qmil was saying: Do you think he meant she outmatches their new form as well?
She's about the same level. We saw in space that she was around the level of Gohan.

And Gohan is definitely stronger than either of them.

jonathan_vik was saying: Don't you just love it when an OC completely outclasses your favorite canon character?

I personally love it more when our MCs get a new transformation and put the OCs in their place. Like the new Ultimate forms. I doubt bra would win easily the same why now than back at this point.

Lucas was saying: How does Krillin know Gast again? I've read everything but I guess I forgot that part...
Krillin, Gohan and Bulma went to Namek like in U18. The Namekians have already fused into Gast and defeated Freeza at that time. Gast sensed their arrival and went to them, then they exchanged their stories.