If this parody/cameo of Alex Kidd has the same Janken powers that his canon couterpart has, when Alex Kidd choses to use his Janken powers during a Janken match and also wins that Janken match then he can chose any of those 3 effects to happen to the opponent who lost to Alex Kidd: A) The opponent instantly dies. B) the opponent is stripped completely nude. C) An anvil falls on the opponent.

However if an opponent is stronger than Alex Kidd loses a Janken match against Alex Kidd, then Alex Kidd's opponent can force Alex Kidd to fight against them, with the loser of that fight experiencing the same fate that would have happened to them if they had lost a Janken match against Alex Kidd.

Thus I think that there is a chance that on the next page one of those 3 effects could happen to Vegeta Kong if Salagir remembers what Alex Kidd's Janken powers can do: A) Vegeta instantly dies. B) Vegeta is stripped completely nude. C) An anvil falls on Vegeta but he survives thanks to his strength and powerlevel.

However if Vegeta is strong enough to resist the Janken powers, then if Vegeta defeats Alex Kidd in a fight, one of those 3 aforementioned effects could happen to Alex Kidd instead.

I think that the surviving members of Bojack's gang probably used the augmentation machines again, but that time they did so while wearing a higher amount of augmentation jewels, via taking those augmentation jewels from the corpses of the deceased members of Bojack's gang.

The long-haired dude on the left has an angry and murderous facial expression (angry eyes with hidden pupils, showing angry mouth baring teeth) that is full of killing intent, while the other two dudes are happy and celebrating. Page 2666 also shows him being shocked and angry at Bojack using them as guinea pigs.

I think that the Jackyal scientist does not know that Bojack wants to genocide everyone on their universe via fighting everyone to the death on their universe.

I think that Yamoshi has made the dumb choice of wasting a wish to wish for getting an explanation of how Kanba became infected, instead of just wishing for something that is actually practical/useful such as: A) Wishing for the knowledge about how to cure the infected Saiyans. B) Wishing for Physalis to get resurrected and healed.

I think that it seems like that Yamoshi is not smart enough to realize/know that wishing to learn how Kanba became infected would be meaningless if Yamoshi forgets to include/mention in the wish wording to ask for the knowledge about how to cure the infected Saiyans.

I think that on this page Yamoshi's dumbness gives Goku vibes.

I think that is probably because Kanba already got what he wanted, which was to make Yamoshi fight as hard as Yamoshi could. 1 Replie(s)

I think that the point of divergence on the DBM version of Universe 5 is that U5 XXI absorbed Elder Kai, thus giving XXI stronger magical power and the option of summoning an absorbed Elder Kai to get the mystic power up and become stronger than he (XXI) did in other DBM universes, thus I think that there is not an Universe 5 version of the Z Sword, because otherwise XXI would have used the Z Sword against Gast and/or give the Z Sword to Janemba.

If I recall correctly I think that there are some DBM fans who believe in the theory that carbonite are XXI's pieces harvested from XXI's body on those universes where he was defeated.

Is XXI actually weak to weapons made of katchin such as the Z Sword as this page seems to imply or not at all? If what page 2616 shows is that XXI is weak to weapons made of katchin such as the Z Sword, why did U9 Elder Kai not give to anyone a weapon made of katchin to help them defeat U5 XXI?

Unless it is not the case on DBM continuity, Kaioshins can easily instantly create any object made of any material they want from nothing, so why did Elder Kai not create a weapon made of katchin to help Mystic Raditz defeat XXI? 1 Replie(s)

Is XXI's true form actually this huge when he is fully feed, or is his giant size on this page meant to be symbolic instead of literal?

Arale time travelled to several billions of years in the past on Dr. Slump, thus I think that Arale time travelling to several billions of years in the past could have contributed to XXI getting defeated in those universes, unless on DBM continuity only Universe 2 has an Arale.

If on DBM continuity only Universe 2 has an Arale, then I think that if Dabura and Elder Kai teamed up against XXI on the past that could be what defeated XXI in those universes.

I think that maybe Dabura's magical spit could be what could kill XXI's true form in most DBM universes, specially if Dabura and Elder Kai teamed up against XXI. But I wonder how fans would react if it turns out that petrifying XXI's body has the side effect of causing XXI's body to become carbonite.

I think that XXI can get a job as U16 Vegetto's senzu beans dispenser.

But XXI is not a living being with a soul, thus I think that if XXI is a primordial cosmic being instead of a created being, then I think that an U0 XXI could exist on the DBM version of Universe 0.

I think that Gero's Supercomputer (whether it is currently intact, or if it had created more bioandroids before it was destroyed) could have made another Cell, or failing that I think that it probably could be revealed that U7 Gero created several bioandroids, with Cell being just one of them.

U7 Perfect Cell has/retains the ability to absorb beings, as show and proven when he tried to absorb Gast. I wonder what would happen if this Cell somehow survived and then he absorbed the sealed Buu.

But I think that it could be the U7 versions of Androids 16 and 19. Even if Thorn could revert most of Gero's Androids back into normal humans, that would not work on completely mechanical Androids such as Androids 16 and 19.

If Gero did find Buu, I think that this Cell could have (or gain) Majin genes with the regeneration that comes with them, either from the start or via absorbing the sealed Buu's cocoon with Buu inside. Or I think that it could be revealed that Gero harvested Majin genes from the sealed sealed Buu's cocoon and then use those genes to create another Bioandroid.

I wonder how the comment section would react if it turns out that this Cell got Majin genes harvested from the sealed Buu's cocoon.

I wonder if Gero has back up bodies in other countries just in case, if he does then I think that Thorn would not know yet about those back up bodies, unless Thorn somehow has the ability to see what happens in far away lands/other countries.

Specially characters such as Krillin, Gohan, Hercule and Videl who like to join martial arts tournaments. U7 Hercule was never humbled by losing to Cell in front of a crowd, thus that Hercule probably still believes himself to be the strongest martial artist in the world.

I think that something has to happen on U7 for their Gohan to unlock his ssj2 form, if he ever unlocks ssj2 that is.

Unless Gast choses to stay on planet Earth. 1 Replie(s)

U7 Gero promised to Gast that he (Gero) was going to change his ways if Gast defeated Cell, but Gero being killed means that we are not going to know if Gero would actually follow his promise.

Indeed, I think that there has to be a good reason why the DBM tournament does not have any U7 spectators, thus I think that they either get killed by Cell or get killed by one of Gero's Androids self-destruct bomb or get killed by Babidi's minions or get killed by Majin Vegeta or get killed by Buu.

I think that the U7 versions of both Android 16 and Gero's Supercomputer are still intact. In addition, I think that the U7 versions of Androids 17 and 18 were not show yet.

I think that Gero's Supercomputer on his secret laboratory would be that backup, considering that Gero made that supercomputer as his backup plan on most of those DB universes where he made the Androids.

Even if that Cell is dead, I think that we were still not show the Z Fighters destroying Gero's Supercomputer on U7, thus I think that there is nothing stopping Gero's Supercomputer from making another Cell, if it had not already made another Cell just in case.

Or is it?

Friendly reminder that at least some of Gero's Androids can self-destruct, and one of those Gero's Androids who can self-destruct is Android 16, who was still not found by the Z Fighters of U7.

If I recall correctly U7 Videl is not a ki user yet, and her head was hit by an explosion/metal debris, thus if Videl survives this I hope that she is neither put on a coma nor crippled nor brain damaged.

Thorn choose to protect Bulma instead of protecting Videl. Poor Videl.

Gast is not ssj2 Gohan, thus I wonder if Gast would be ok by killing children (the Cell Juniors) if Cell creates Cell Juniors.

The first panel of page 2429 shows scientists using computers inside Bulma's bunker, which implies that Bulma's bunker has a security system or something similar. 1 Replie(s)

Or is it? XXI absorbed Universe 5, which I think would probably include absorbing the U5 versions of ancient beings such as Babidi, Bibidi, Janemba, Dabura and Elder Kai.

In addition, XXI's stomach was destroyed by Vegetto, which I think it may have released/summoned any plot relevant U5 beings that XXI had absorbed, thus I think that probably an U5 Babidi could appear to get killed by a Gohan in a similar way to how it was show in Bardock's vision.

If U1 Moori had died then the U1 Dragon Balls would be inert, however those Dragon Balls were show to actually not be inert on that Bardock's vision that shows a broken Dragon Ball.

I hope that after the DBM post-tournament events happen that either:
— A) Future Trunks asks the U18 Z Fighters about the coordinates/location of New Namek and then uses his (Future Trunk's) universe Porunga's powers to fix/save Future Trunks's universe.
— B) Future Trunks finds the planet where U12 Poran's creator (or his Namekian descendants) lives and then uses Poran's powers for carefully worded wishes to try to fix/save Universe 12. Even if it turned out that Poran could not resurrect the dead, I think that Poran probably could still cause Humans and Dragon Clan Namekians to be created/born on U12 Planet Earth.
— C) Both A) and B) happen.

I think that on DBM that U18 is the universe where the more heroic Z Fighters are from.

Thank you. 1 Replie(s)

I do not think so. I think that U7 is probably going to eventually have specials for the U7 versions of both the Buu Saga and an arc that is along the lines of "Gast eventually meeting U7 Lord Slug at some point while Gast was searching for Namekian survivors to help repopulate Planet Namek". 1 Replie(s)

I called it on the previous pages when I had assumed that this webcomic protagonist was protecting a plant.

Mr. Satan/Hercule/Mark has heroic bravado, not narcissistic arrogance, there is a huge difference. Arrogant people look down on others, which is something that Mr. Satan never does outside of taunting opponents during fights.

Friendly reminder that on both the DBZ anime continuity and DB manga continuity Mr. Satan got shot when he risked his life against gun wielding thugs to save a dog from them.

On both the DBZ anime continuity and DB manga continuity Mr. Satan also taught Fat Buu benevolence, kindness, empathy and the value of life.

On both the DBZ anime continuity and DB manga continuity Mr. Satan cultivated, has and maintains both a martial artist reputation and a superhero reputation, because he is both a martial artist and a superhero, and he also raised Videl as a martial artist and as a crime fighter, which is why Videl is a martial artist and a crime fighter.

Captain America does not have a secret identity anymore, and he does not have superpowers but Captain America is still considered a superhero both in-universe and out-of-universe, because the word "superhero" usually refers to a crime fighter who fights against superpowered villains and/or protects/saves people from supernatural threats, which is something that Mr. Satan/Hercule/Mark actually does, like for example when he fought against ki using villains. 1 Replie(s)

That is actually what most DBM characters saw it happening in-universe, because XXI did not mention his own minions when he said his wish in the Namekian language, thus in-universe no one has proof of the DBM villains being affiliated with XXI.

Friendly reminder that in-universe what most DBM characters actually saw was Gast, Vegetto, U14 villains, U13 villains and U8 villains going on a rampage while XXI was making a wish, without giving the Kaioshins any explanation for why they were going on a rampage, which is why South Kaioshin stopped time, because in-universe the Vargas, U1 South Kaioshin and the other U1 Kaioshins unironically believe that XXI was denied his wish after he (XXI) won the DBM tournament without breaking the rules (as far as the Kaioshins know in-universe).

If I recall correctly Vegetto, Gast, U16 Z Fighters and U18 Z Fighters are so far the only good guys that in-universe know about (or have suspicions about) that the villains are affiliated with XXI, thus the Kaioshins still do not know that the DBM villains are affiliated with XXI.

South Kaioshin and the other Kaioshins do not know the Namekian language, meaning that they still do not know about what XXI wished for, thus if I recall correctly in-universe out of all of the DBM tournament organizers only Discus and U1 Mori know about what XXI wished for, because the other DBM tournament organizers do not know the Namekian language, however I think that Discus and Mori probably could not counter the time stop hax, because they probably do not have that ability to counter the time stop hax that Piccolo Junior and Cell have; and even if Discus and Mori could counter the time stop hax, they (Discus and Mori) still do not know that the DBM villains are affiliated with XXI, and even if they knew about that they do not have yet any proof of those DBM villains being affiliated with XXI, because XXI did not mention any of the villains when he (XXI) said the wish in the Namekian language.

The Piccolos know about what XXI wished for, however the Piccolos are not DBM tournament organizers, thus the DBM tournament organizers are not obligated to believe the Piccolos about what they (the Piccolos) may said about XXI, specially after the DBM tournament organizers saw Gast and Vegetto going on a rampage during the wish granting ceremony. Gast and Vegetto going on a rampage during the wish granting ceremony does not help the Piccolos's case as far as the Kaioshins's opinions about the Piccolos are concerned.

As for Gast, for some reason Gast so far had refused to tell to the other DBM characters (specially the Z Fighters and DBM tournament organizers) important information about XXI's powers, abilities and true nature, thus if Gast suddenly decides to tell the DBM tournament organizers information about XXI's powers, abilities and true nature, I think that there is a high chance that the DBM tournament organizers may actually distrust Gast for not only attacking XXI outside of a tournament match but also for withholding important information about XXI's powers, abilities and true nature for so long, thus I think that the DBM tournament organizers could even go as far as accusing Gast of being XXI's accomplice for withholding important information about XXI's powers, abilities and true nature for so long.

I wonder why you are giving South Kaioshin too much credit, considering that South Kaioshin is not a wise, smart and cunning genius who knows the Namekian language, thus South Kaioshin does not know about what XXI wished for.

Yes, but I think that there is a chance that more DBM characters may be revealed to have been killed by the spikes and/or the shockwave of XXI's stomach explosion.

I think that was caused by the shockwave of XXI's stomach explosion that was strong enough to push Gast away.

A Videl appeared, which means one of the Videls somehow survived.

I think that South Kaioshin used the time stop to protect/save XXI from Vegetto, thus I would like to see a plot twist "where South Kaioshin/the organizers make it so that XXI actually gets his wishes granted without interruptions no matter what those wishes are, and then U16 Vegetto protests and tries to kill XXI again but the other Z Fighters try to stop Vegetto, thus causing the "Vegetto going on a rampage" vision to happen" happen.

I think that XXI had double crossed his minions.

I think that you are giving U1 South Kaioshin too much credit. I would not be surprised if South Kaioshin never realizes that XXI is evil.

I think that despite South Kaioshin seeing XXI and his minions going on a rampage, he (South Kaioshin) still used his time stop powers to rescue/save XXI from Vegetto anyway.

I think that after what South Kaioshin already did on DBM that it would be a plot twist if South Kaioshing is not anymore on XXI's side. 1 Replie(s)

If it turns out that this webcomic protagonist was not protecting a plant, then I wonder why in the previous page he chose to sit in a fetal position waiting to get beat up instead of just running away.

I concur.

I think that this webcomic protagonist is show again protecting what looks like a plant. That plant (or whatever it is) looks like the same plant show on the previous page that he was covering up. A red arrow was add to this image to point out that plant (or whatever it is) location.
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I think that on page 1104 it was implied that XXI (or someone else) used what looked like a variant (that lacks the letter "M" on the target's forehead) of Babidi's Majin Enslavement Spell on a Delphox (Dapuffster's OC), to mind control that Delphox from a remote distance without putting XXI's smoke on that Delphox's body. That Delphox was grabbing his own head in pain and there was not any XXI's smoke on that Delphox's body, thus I think that mind control power looks like a variant (that lacks the letter "M" on the target's forehead) of Babidi's Majin Enslavement Spell.

I think that on DBM each universe has it is own version of Poran, thus I think that U19, U17, U15, U14, U13, U12, U11, U8 and U7 could be potentially eventually saved/fixed/get wishes granted if XXI (or one of those XXI's minions who saw XXI's memories on page 2492) or I'K'L (who read XXI's mind) reveals to the Z Fighters the location/coordinates of the planet where XXI found those Dragon Balls that can summon Poran.

While Poran's powers may be more limited/weaker than the powers of Shenron and Porunga, I think that if carefully worded wishes are used creatively to get around Poran's limitations, I think that maybe at least some of those aforementioned universes could be eventually saved/fixed at least partially, like for example wishing for a Dragon Clan Namekian to be born or created, wishing that someone is transformed into a Dragon Clan Namekian, wishing that newly created Dragon Clan Namekian is granted the position of Kami, wishing that newly created Dragon Clan Namekian is granted the position of Grand Elder Namekian, wishing to learn a resurrection spell; and then after making such wishes ask that newly created Dragon Clan Namekian to create Dragon Balls and have children, then that newly created Dragon Clan Namekian can fuse (using the newly created Dragon Clan Namekian's body as the base body of the fusion) with his own children to increase his own powerlevel, thus increasing the powerlevel of the wishes that the newly created Dragon Clan Namekian's wish granting Dragon could grant.

I think that Universe 1 has it is own versions of Shenron and Poran, thus I think that the U1 versions of those Eternal Dragons could be used to grant wishes if U1 Porunga cannot be summoned again until the start of the next year in-universe. 1 Replie(s)

U8 Jeice has the ability to be aware of the fourth wall.

"Poran" means "prana" in the Hindi language. Prana is a synonym for ki.

I wonder who granted Jeice the power to be aware of the 4th wall. Did XXI grant Jeice that power?

In case someone is curious about what that joke means, I'm going to explain what that joke means: For some reason when Google Translate is configured to translate Hindi language to English language, it translates "poran" as "porn". At least that is what happened today when I wrote "poran" on Google Translate out of curiosity while it was configured to translate Hindi language to English language.

I think that maybe Uuv is probably an U5 Varga who was absorbed by XXI at some point in the past before the DBM tournament started. I think that maybe XXI probably secretly murdered U1 Uuv and then secretly made U5 Uuv secretly impersonate his U1 counterpart.

I think that would not have made any difference on XXI's fate on the current arc, because even if Izy could repair the Vargas spaceships, it would probably still take several hours to repair those spaceships.

I think that on DBM continuity probably an evil Varga (probably Uuv) is probably responsible for that directly or indirectly.

I think that Maqua (the magic water cube that trapped Vegetto during the U16 special) being suspiciously show on both Universe 0 and Universe 16 is the result of an evil Varga travelling the multiverse to accomplish their goals.

Maqua meet Vegetto during an U16 special. However despite Universe 0 being supposedly an universe (that probably did not have any Jaykals native to it) without any sapient lifeforms before the Vargas found it, page 2565 shows that Maqua is somehow currently on Universe 0, which means that either: A) An evil Varga created both U0 Maqua and U16 Maqua. B) An evil Varga used a Varga spaceship to send Maqua to Universe 16. C) Maqua is native to Universe 1 and can travel to other universes on it is own.

I think that Cell probably cares about XXI cheating during the DBM tournament, because I think that so far it seems like that Cell refused to join XXI's side/faction. 1 Replie(s)

5. The first panel of the previous page shows that those two bullies are standing on grass and other plants.
6. This page showing this webcomic protagonist saying "just go a little further!" implies that he would be actually ok with them fighting if they fought at another part of the dojo.
7. The fourth panel of this page showing this webcomic protagonist covering up something that resembles a plant.

The fourth panel of this page shows him covering up something that looks like a plant, I had add a red arrow to the image that points to the location of that aforementioned plant.


The first panel of the previous page shows two bullies, grass and other plants on the same panel, which implies that those bullies are standing on the grass and other plants.


And that park ranger version of Android 17.

XXI was affected by Vegetto punching XXI's old man host in the stomach, but XXI was unaffected by getting his old man host disintegrated by Zen Buu, I think that this implies that XXI absorption has limits.

I think that it is probably more likely that XXI's ability to absorb energy and attacks has a limit when it comes to how much XXI could absorb at once, and I think that limit is probably around a weakened Gast tier powerlevel, which if true I think that it would probably explain why XXI used Janemba to weaken Gast during their fight.

After Vegetto got a L several times on DBM, DBM threw Vegetto a bone, at least partially.

If XXI could absorb a Vegetto tier opponent's energy and attacks, then how much XXI could absorb at once would probably not have limits.

I think that it seems like that what Gast had in mind was to both refuse to listen to Elder Kai's warnings about XXI, refuse to tell anyone about XXI's powers/abilities and refuse to tell anyone about XXI cheating via attacking an opponent who had forfeited.

I think that an actually remorseless irredeemable villain would not selflessly do good deeds without expecting anything in return like XXI did.

XXI selflessly did good deeds without expecting anything in return. XXI offered to restore Universe 19 without asking for anything in return. XXI also helped U16 Vegetto in satiating his (Vegetto's) hunger without asking for anything in return.

If XXI wanted, he (XXI) could have just used the villains to attack during the wishing ceremony at the end of the DBM tournament without bothering to grant a wish to U19. Had XXI attacked during the wishing ceremony at the end of the DBM tournament without bothering first to grant a wish to U19, XXI would have already won instead of still staying on Universe 0, however XXI willingly chose to risk failing to accomplish his own goals for the sake of selflessly doing a good deed for the save of saving U19.

Would a remorseless irredeemable villain actually chose to risk failing to accomplish their goals for the sake of selflessly doing a good deed? Most villains would not take that risk, however XXI chose to take that risk, thus showing that XXI has the potential to be a better person.

That XXI is probably going to double cross and/absorb from the inside of their bodies once XXI has no use for them anymore, because XXI put pieces of himself inside of their bodies.

XXI did not chose to become hungry.

What torture? If I recall correctly XXI actually tried to defeat/kill/absorb Gast as fast as possible after Gast defeated Janemba. As for the "mock his opponent" part, the "mockery" was more XXI cheating (via attacking Gast after he forfeit) and boasting about getting away with it than actual sadism, if it was sadism at all.

If XXI lacked moral ambiguity, he would not have done good deeds for free, with no strings attached.

I wonder if the rampaging Vegetto vision is Ginyu using Vegetto's body.

I think that if Vegetto is frozen by the time stop, then there is nothing stopping Ginyu from switching bodies with Vegetto. 1 Replie(s)

Is XXI talking to Gohan or talking to the villains or talking to the readers?

I think that XXI is still on Universe 0, and if that is the case I think that means that XXI's wish for multiversal travel access was interrupted by South Kaioshin's time stop hax, because I think that Porunga and the other Eternal Dragons are living beings whose respective lifeforce are partially linked to their respective creators's lifeforce respectively.

If that is the case, does XXI's 'stomach' innately have an "always on" version of I'K'L's time stop hax?

I'K'L's time stop hax only works on living beings with souls, XXI said to Gast that he (XXI) is not a living being with a soul, thus XXI is immune to I'K'L's time stop hax.

I think that seems to be the case, because I think that otherwise there is no reason for XXI to summon that stuff on Universe 0 while there is a time stop active there.

The 3rd panel of page 2583 is showing a lot of gum or something that looks like gum, is that U5 Majin Buu? I think Majin Buu's regeneration could have helped him survive inside XXI.

If that Dojo (or it is martial arts instructor/sensei/sifu/master) is named "Satan" or "Hercule", I think that would increase the chances of this webcomic protagonist being a teen Mark.

The previous page has show that this webcomic protagonist is a dirt poor homeless person who is starving and too poor to afford a gym membership.

Mark accomplished most of his on-panel/on-screen feats via using his wits/cunning/smarts/trickery, with the exception of the Pre-Majin Spopovich fight and anime filler feats. He is too cunning to qualify as slow witted.

The reason Mark is called "Mr. Satan" by his in-universe fans is because he was named after the Satan Castle Dojo where he learned martial arts. In the censored English translation version he is named "Hercule" because he learned martial arts at the Hercule Castle Dojo.

As for Master Roshi, he usually would only agree to train someone if they bribe him with lewd stuff.

This page is showing that this webcomic protagonist is a dirt poor homeless person who is starving and sleeping on the streets on an area where there are rocks close to his body, thus he is scrawny and physically weak because of poor nutrition and homelessness hardships. This webcomic protagonist is too poor to be able to afford food and a gym membership; he tried to compensate for that via trying to join martial arts dojos but they rejected him.

Why did Piccoshi's parents not appear on this chapter cover, and why were Piccoshi's mother and Piccoshi father yellow skinned and light blue skinned respectively, while the other Kemans show on this page are green skinned?

Are Piccoshi's parents dead? If Piccoshi's parents are dead, does that mean that light blue skinned Keman lying on the floor show on the 188th page of Super Dragon Bros. Z, and that decapitated yellow skinned Keman's head on a spike show on the 188th page of this webcomic are the corpses of Piccoshi's parents?

And Obelix, Waldo, a Birdo Egg (carried on a baby cart), and Yoshi's Island characters (Poochy and Smiley Flower).

I called it on page 2505 when I said that Cell is immune to the time stop hax. I think that Cell faked getting frozen in time by I'K'L's time stop.

For some reason U18 Piccolo believes that having Namekian cells would be enough to give someone immunity to the time stop despite Gast and U16 Piccolo not having appeared on this DBM chapter yet.

I think that Perfect Cell has the same cybernetic implants that Androids 17 and 18 have since he (Cell) absorbed them, thus I think that Perfect Cell being immune to time stop is not surprising.

I think that Cell is not show vibrating on any of the panels from this DBM page. 3 Replie(s)

When Bee was in danger, Mr. Satan used against Van Zant those techniques: Afterimage Technique, Fearful Fist, Hercule's Rage/High Tension and Hercule Ultra Dynamite.

If this webcomic protagonist uses at least one of Mr. Satan's techniques to save the girl, I think that would increase this webcomic protagonist's chances of being a teen Mr. Satan. 1 Replie(s)

I wonder how XXI and his minions damaged those forcefields that protect the spectators.

If I recall correctly it was show that only someone who is at least as strong as ghost lssj Broly tier (I think he was stronger than Gast based on his feats) could damage those arena forcefields that protect the spectators, but I think that powerlevel is beyond the capabilities of XXI (I think he is around Gast tier) and his minions (I think that their powerlevels are most likely not on the level of that aforementioned lssj Broly tier).

Friendly reminder that according to page 2567 the time stop hax technique that I'K'L, XXI and current South Kaioshin can use could only affects living beings, thus I think that it cannot affect those arena forcefields that protect the spectators.

As for the teleportation, I think that the arena forcefields block any attacks, techniques and magic that are weaker than that aforementioned lssj Broly tier. 1 Replie(s)

I hope that U1 South Kaioshin is eventually harshly punished by Vegeta for this.

I think that it was South Kaioshin's time stop hax what caused the deaths of Vegeta's children. I think that had South Kaioshin not stopped time, U18 Trunks and U18 Bra would still be alive.

That technique was not show to exist on DBM.

I think that one of the ways that U18 Vegeta could save them would be for Vegeta to attack South Kaioshin to punish him for his (South Kaioshin's) time stop hax causing the deaths of Trunks and Bra, steal the potara earrings from South Kaioshin, and then Vegeta using the potara earrings to fuse with U18 Goku to create U18 Vegetto.

I think that those are the Piccolo's forcefield sparks that were show on this DBM chapter previous pages too.

I think that both this webcomic protagonist and Mr. Satan have big eyes that are similarly colored on black and white drawings.

However, I think that this webcomic protagonist probably could be a preteen Yamcha, because both Yamcha and this webcomic protagonist have big eyes, well that and early Dragon Ball Yamcha was a self taught martial artist instead of a formally trained one, at least at first.

If that is the case then I think that this webcomic time frame would be from around 400 to 350 years ago when Mutaito was young, but if that is the case why would the 2nd page of this webcomic show a modern age setting?

Out of all the characters you mentioned, I think that only Mr. Satan would be young enough to be from the generation of the modern age setting show on the 2nd page of this webcomic.

In addition, out of all the characters you mentioned, only Mr. Satan has big eyes that are as big as this webcomic protagonist's eyes. Mutaito, Kame Senin, Grandfather Gohan and Shen have eyes that are smaller than this webcomic protagonist's eyes.

Early Dragon Ball flashbacks that show a teen Roshi and teen Shen without their sunglasses depicted them as having smaller eyes than this webcomic protagonist's eyes.

Page 732 said that Piccolo's will is keeping Bra alive, however it seems like that Piccolo's will failed to save her.

I wonder if that Bardock's vision "Piccolo saved Bra's life" event somehow was actually prevented from happening.

According to that aforementioned Bardock's vision that I mentioned above, it seems like that Piccolo is somehow going to save Bra's life, unless the events show on that Bardock's vision happen after the current arc or U16 Bra change her hairstyle to match U18 Bra's hairstyle or both.

But did he fail to save Bra? Page 732 implies that Piccolo somehow saved her life.

Did I confuse one Bra for the other Bra? If the answer to that question is yes, then if she is the other Bra, why is she with U18 Vegeta?

I hope you are correct. 4 Replie(s)

I wonder how many more things are going to happen off-panel during this DBM chapter instead of being show on panel.

I think that stuff like that happening off-panel makes it harder for it to have an emotional impact.

I think that off-screen deaths of named characters are usually not well received by the vocal part of a fandom.

I think that this webcomic protagonist probably could be a pre-teen Yamcha, because Yamcha was a self-taught martial artist who lived alone in the desert as a bandit until he meet Goku, which implies that Yamcha was rejected/outcasted from society and/or dojos.

Mutaito's generation was from around 3 centuries ago when King Piccolo was sealed, back then Mutaito was an elderly man when Roshi was a teenager, the same Roshi who is an over 300 years old elderly man when he trained Goku. The 2nd page of this webcomic shows that this webcomic story takes place on a modern age setting with modern age houses and a teenager wearing modern age clothes, thus I think that probably this webcomic protagonist is neither Mutaito nor Roshi nor Shen.

I hope that XXI and his minions going on a rampage during XXI's wish is eventually show on panel in every detail from start to finish either on a main DBM chapter or a DBM flashback chapter.

If I recall correctly XXI say to Gast that he (XXI) is not a living being with a soul.

I wonder why Gast was not show using the protective bubble technique that Piccolo is using.

I hope that Juna survives.

I think that this seems to be what DBM is implying about the "real Anju" considering that Juna has significantly much more plot relevance than the "real Anju" has, and that suspiciously the "real Anju" never appeared on this DBM chapter flashbacks about Uuu's past.

For some reason Anju and Juna have different eye colors. Anju has green eyes, while Juna has brown eyes that are a lighter shade of brown compared to Uub's brown eyes.

Does Kakodaiman have the power to be both inherently naturally bulletproof and inherently naturally laserproof, or is he wearing laserproof/bulletproof armor?

But how was the bug-person going to know that Kakodaiman is bulletproof and laserproof? Friendly reminder that two pages ago Kakodaiman dodged the lasers instead of tanking them. 1 Replie(s)

Friendly reminder that mainstream society/most people usually are not fans of seeing a good-looking female character die even if her species is not human.

In addition, at first Juna had glowing red eyes, tried to murder Uub and repeatedly said the word "kill", however later Juna is capable of speaking in full sentences normally, her eyes colors are not red anymore, and she does not want to kill Uub anymore, which I think that heavily implies that Juna is growing beyond her programing.

Because Goku exploited Raditz's weakness to getting grabbed from the tail.

Kaioken multiplies all of the user's beneficial ki-based stuff including ki-enhanced speed. 1 Replie(s)

I'm the only who does not want Juna to get permanently killed?

RIP Juna.

Salagir and HoCbo, if you are reading this please do not permanently kill Juna.

And maybe she does. 2 Replie(s)

I think that Uub could chose to try one or more of those reckless options:
— Giving up his own humanity/try to somehow regain/unlock his Kid Buu's memories in the hopes of getting a boost in his magic and/or power and/or fighting skills, but risk causing changes to his own personality.
— Try to use a Kaioken multiplier that is even higher than Transcendent Kaioken.
— Shooting his strongest ki blast at the ground to see if he could destroy the pocket dimension in that way but risk killing himself in the process.
— Try to cast his healing spell on Juna to test what would happen if he casts a healing spell on Juna.
— Try to disguise the Candy Beam as a healing spell and then try to cast the disguised Candy Beam on Juna.
— Try to test if he could try to seal Juna in the same way that Bibidi sealed Majin Buu.
— Use his magic to try to teleport/summon one or more of the U18 Z Fighters inside the pocket dimension.
— Try to use telepathy to try to communicate with one or more of those fighters who are outside the pocket dimension.

Why does Yamoshi still trust Nasu after Nasu tried to murder him with a poisoned apple, he hear Nasu said that she wished him dead, and he saw Nasu trying to murder him again?

I think that Nasu is evil or Nasu was already infected when Kanba was infected or both, specially considering that:
— Nasu was spying on Yamoshi according to what page-9 said.
— On page-10 Nasu tried to murder Yamoshi via trying to trick him into eating a poisoned apple.
— Nasu has an evil eyes expression and evil smile on page-10 when she is giving the poisoned apple to Yamoshi, which means that Nasu actually knows that apple is poisoned.
— On page-11 Nasu said that she wished Yamoshi dead; Nasu said that immediately after Nasu got angry at Yamoshi for failing to murder him with the aforementioned poisoned apple.
— On page-54 to page-62 Nasu tried to murder Yamoshi and Physalis.

I wonder why Yamoshi still trusts Nasu after he (Yamoshi) saw Nasu's evil actions on page-9, page-10, page-11 and page-54 to page-62. 1 Replie(s)

I have a theory about why Zen Buu made Juna so strong: "Uub and Zen Buu have each an alternate universe version of the same soul, thus I think that Uub has Zen Buu's potential when it comes to raw magic power and raw powerlevel, with the difference being that Zen Buu took a shortcut to unlock his (Zen Buu's) potential via absorptions, while Uub would have to unlock his (Uub's) potential via training."

So Uub is going to try to get out of Zen Buu's dimension without defeating Juna first? If Uub actually gets out of Zen Buu's dimension but did not kill Juna, it would result in Juna getting out of Zen Buu's dimension to follow Uub and fight Uub again, and if they fight outside of Zen Buu's dimension then the Vargas would probably send Uub and all other U18 characters back to Universe 18.

I think that it is as if the story/plot seems to want Juna to actually survive long enough to get out of Zen Buu's dimension to see and meet characters from other universes, I think that maybe it is probably because that way U16 Bra would see Uub with Juna, thus giving Bra an excuse to get jealous, snap and transform into her ssj3 form and go on a rampage again, which would probably give the Vargas an excuse to send the U16 characters back to Universe 16. If I recall correctly DBM implied that U16 Bra had feelings for Uub, but even if she does not, Uub fighting Juna outside of Zen Buu's dimension risks getting the Vargas's attention.

But if Juna survives and/or gets out of Zen Buu's dimension then Juna risks:
— Drawing suspicion from the other characters including the Vargas, because she is one of Zen Buu's creations, and probably both Gast and XXI would probably notice the properties of Zen Buu's magic on Juna's body.
— The U14 Androids trying to recruit Juna to their cause.
— Both XXI and South Kaioshin noticing that Juna is an artificial being who is going to be immune to their time stop hax, thus they would probably consider Juna a threat.
— Juna getting possesed by XXI, because Juna is an artificial being from another dimension who neither has DBM tournament participant status nor has DBM tournament spectator status, thus XXI can possess Juna's body as a host/vessel without breaking the DBM tournament rules.
— U16 Vegetto wanting to fight Juna, which he can do without breaking the DBM tournament rules, because Juna does not have the rules protection that DBM participants and spectators have.
— U17 Cell wanting to fight Juna or even trying to test if he could absorb Juna, which he can do without breaking the DBM tournament rules, because of the reasons mentioned above.
— Since Juna was created by Zen Buu's magic, and the Instant Transmission technique is teleportation based on teleporting the user to any place of their choice where there is at least a trace of their energy, I think that Zen Buu could probably use Juna as an anchor to return to the DBM tournament, specially if Zen Buu left pieces of himself hidden inside the Vargas ships, and even if it does not work I think that at least Zen Buu would be smart enough to at least try to IT back to the DBM tournament.

Or is it? Based on how the Instant Transmission technique works, I think that Zen Buu could use IT to try to teleport to any place that has at least a trace of his own energy, and since Juna was created by Zen Buu's magic, I think that maybe Zen Buu could try to use those traces of his own energy to try to teleport back to the DBM tournament, or failing that try to use Uub's energy as an anchor to try to teleport back to the DBM tournament.

I wonder why Juna would do that. 2 Replie(s)

On this page and the previous page, what powers did Kakodaiman use to rip that bug's arm out, was it electrokinesis, a modified joy buzzer, super strength or another power? 1 Replie(s)

The first panel of this page shows Kenta Kuraaku getting electrocuted when Tsukutsun Tsun is grabbing his hand, because Tsukutsun Tsun's hand has a joy buzzer, I think that this is probably a reference to Tsukutsun Tsun's allergy to making physical contact with people.

Tsukutsun Tsun is a Weretiger (or whatever his species is named) whose transformations are allergy-based, with his transformations happening when his body has an allergic reaction to making physical contact with people. When Tsukutsun Tsun makes physical contact with a female, his allergy causes him to transform into an Anthropomorphic Tiger form, however when Tsukutsun Tsun makes physical contact with a male, his allergy causes him to transform into a Human form.

The 2nd panel of this page has Dr. Slump characters's cameos:
— "Arale-chan's Birth" design version of Tori (the fully organic counterpart version of Toribot) wearing Kenta Kuraaku's glasses and wearing a cap. However I do not know who is the owner of that cap.
— A man who is either Dr. Slump/Senbei Norimaki or Kazuhiko Torishima (late Dr. Slump design version) or Dr. Mashirito.
— Kenta Kuraaku (Sourman/Suppaman's secret identity) without his glasses. Kenta Kuraaku is crying, I think that this is probably because his glasses were stolen by Tori or because he was electrocuted with Tsukutsun Tsun's joy buzzer or both.
— Tsukutsun Tsun (Doctor Slump Remake design version) from Dr. Slump Remake, he is wearing Pero's hat for some reason.
— Pero (from Wonderful World of Puss 'n Boots OVA, and also Dr. Slump Arale-chan anime) is not show on this page, however Tsukutsun Tsun is show wearing Pero's hat.

I think that he is Tsukutsun Tsun (Doctor Slump Remake design version) from Dr. Slump Remake, not Gohan.

She has been called "Juna" and "Anju" on this website comments section. Is her canonical name Anju or Juna?

I have a theory about Zen Buu: "I think that there is nothing stopping Zen Buu from having hidden pieces of himself inside each of the Vargas spaceships, to have send pieces of himself to other universes."

I have a theory about this Juna/Anju: "I think that this Anju is actually the real Anju from Universe 18 after she was somehow given a power up by Zen Buu. For all we know Anju could be retconned to have been one of the U18 spectators all along."

Well, to be fair Zen Buu was send back to Universe 4 less than a hour after Zen Buu started teaching the basics of magic to Uub.

Did Shallot and Giblet teleport to safety or were they killed by Zahha?

I have some theories:
#1: Cell's Saiyan nature makes him remember/realize that he (Cell) has not yet searched for worthy fighters on planet Earth, which gives Cell the idea to start the U7 version of the Cell Games.

#2: Cell tries to absorb Gast.

#3: The surviving good guys appear and then they try to distract/stall Cell to save Gast.

#4: If Gast knows about both U7 Gohan being alive and Gohan's hidden potential, I think that maybe Gast probably may chose to tell Cell about Gohan's power/strength/powerlevel/potential, which somehow convinces Cell to wait long enough for Gohan to heal so that Cell could fight Gohan, and that would give Gast enough time to recover and then have a rematch with Cell before Cell fights Gohan.

#5: Gast tries to reason with Cell.

#6: U7 Doctor Gero either created more than one Cell, or Cell is not the only Bioandroid that this Doctor Gero created.

#7: Gast used an after image/ki construct to troll Cell.

#8: That shadow show on this page is Vegeta, and then Vegeta fights against Cell.

I wonder if the android kill switch (or a variant version of it) would work on Cell. I think that U7 Gero is probably going to try that out to test if it works on Cell.

Tardigrades/Water Bears can survive unprotected in the vacuum of space indefinitely. Thus I hope that Gero was smart enough to have collected Tardigrade/Water Bear genes for Cell's genetic composition.

I think probably because main timeline Cell was raised by a computer on auto pilot, while U7 Cell was raised by Dr. Gero himself in person, thus I think this Cell is probably going to at least see Dr. Gero as a friend.

I think that if this Cell tries to self-destruct then Gast could try to fuse with Cell to stop Cell's self-destruction from happening.

I think that this Cell still having his tail could be a plot point, thus I think that he can probably absorb people to become stronger.

For some reason Gohan's cells genetic contribution to this Cell is understimated here.

I think that this Cell being able to use Kikoho is foreshadowing that this Cell has certain tricks/hax that his canon counterpart lacks.

U7 Lord Slug and U7 Cell.

So far U7 Cell was not show doing anything evil outside of wanting to fight Gast, thus I think that there is a chance that U7 Cell may eventually get redeemed and eventually fuse with Gast, because all of the U7 evil (or formerly evil) warriors (U7 Piccolo Jr. and U7 Vegeta) that U7 Cell has genes from have the potential to get redeemed.

In addition, U7 Cell has U7 Gohan's genes according to what Gast said about U7 Cell's genes/ki signature on page 2479, which I think may result in U7 Cell being less evil than U18 Cell.

I think that it was not explained yet where Gast got a craving for fighting from, because it was not explained yet which U7 Namekian is the U7 Namekian that had add to Gast's personality a craving for fighting, specially considering that Guru, Nail, Dende, Mori and Guru's other sons do not have any craving for fighting.

Cell, Lord Slug, King Piccolo, Piccolo Jr. and King Piccolo's other sons are so far the only Namekians who were show to have a craving for fighting. However U7 King Piccolo, U7 Piccolo Jr. and U7 King Piccolo's other sons are dead and did not fuse with Gast.

Did Gast fuse with U7 Lord Slug off-screen/off-panel at some point? If the answer to that question is "yes", it would explain where Gast got a craving for fighting from. 1 Replie(s)

I have some theories:
— I think that Nappa is eventually going to get redeemed and resurrected.
— If I recall correctly Bros Goku was trained by Tori-Sama without getting charged any money for it, thus I think that "the master" that the SDBZ heroes are going to meet is probably not going to be Tori-Sama.
— I think that so far Miya-Sama has not show any ki technique, hax technique or power that could defeat Piccoshi, thus I think that Miya-Sama is eventually either going to get defeated by Piccoshi or fuse with Piccoshi or both, if they could fuse at all.
— I think that Doctor Goku (is that his name?) is eventually going to meet Bros Goku again, specially if the "Goku gets the heart virus" event happens to Bros Goku.
— Nappa still has his tail, thus I think that he is eventually going to transform.

U7 Cell has the genes of several species native to planet Earth, however most non-human species native to planet Earth are vulnerable to chocolate poisoning. So, can U7 Cell eat chocolate without getting chocolate poisoning?

Imagine if they made a DBM minicomic where Gast tricks U7 Cell into eating chocolate, and then Cell gets a painful belly ache from chocolate poisoning that is so painful that Cell surrenders to Gast.

If U7 Cell has Gohan's genes as Gast said on page 2479, well, Gohan's genes have higher potential for powerlevel grow than U7 Frieza's genes do.

Did Gast at the time knew that Cell has Namekian genes? I think that Gast never meet U7 Piccolo, because that version of Piccolo was not resurrected. While on page 2479 Gast said "it's familiar", he could be referring to U7 Goku's Saiyan genes and ki signature being similar to U7 Vegeta's.

For some reason Vegeta is show ridding a motorcycle on the upper right corner of this page.

The 2nd panel of this page has those characters:
— Doge from Doge meme.
— Toribot's soul/ghost has a halo.
— The monk bullies from the Orin Temple/Krillin's monastery.
— The World Tournament Chairman (the anthropomorphic dog), but he is wearing a monk robe for some reason.
— Krillin (with hair) is on the background behind everyone else.
— The white sphinx cat is probably meant as a parody of Beerus.
— Akai Tomato (without her hat) from Tomato, Girl Detective.
— Slump from Tomato, Girl Detective. He is holding Akai Tomato's hand. Please do not confuse that Slump for Doctor Slump/Senbei Norimaki.
— Colonel Violet is looking at a fruit box.
— The unnamed martial artist that Tien defeated during a previous World Martial Arts Tournament, the one from "Tien's Atonement" episode of early Dragon Ball anime. He is behind Akai Tomato but in front of Krillin.
— Van Zant (or a Van Zant's lookalike) is dressed like a cop.
— The Mint's Village Elder is the shopkeeper talking with Van Zant (or a Van Zant's lookalike).
— Dr. Brief's head is show on this page but he is wearing sunglasses.
— Lotta Cash is on this page talking with the monk bullies from the Orin Temple/Krillin's monastery, but she is not wearing sunglasses. Were her sunglasses taken/borrowed/stolen by Dr. Brief?
— The "baby" that Lotta Cash is carrying is a Scourgette from Dragon Quest IX, but this Scourgette is wearing clothes and is not sticking out it is tongue. That "baby"'s face is a Scourgette face, not a human face.

However I do not know yet who this elderly man is:


Because they were show from the back, which is why I did not recognize them at first.

If I recall correctly I think that what is show on this page and the next page was not mentioned on this site news section, it was not mentioned on the announcements section of the DBM forum, thus I do not know about what the context of this is. That, and well, new readers probably do not know about what the context of this is.

If they please, I hope that Salagir and/or the other authors explain to us if this is going to be a comic, a novel, a minicomic or an art gallery.

Edit: I saw that this page has "Read this manga from Right to Left." but "Read this manga from Left to Right." is mentioned on the DBM minicomics, thus I do not know enough about the context of this page is.

I concur.

Salagir and Bunga, I wonder if at some point DBM (or a DBM minicomic) is going to reveal the official names of all U7 Androids.

As for this DBM page, well, I think that page 2524 confirms that at least some of those U7 Androids are strong enough to kill the average super saiyan 1.

U7 Videl spend 14 years living all day every day living inside the same mansion/laboratory/base/bunker (that is somewhere in a warzone) where U7 Bulma lives, and never going outside, never going to school and so on.

U7 Videl never meet any other (older than a toddler) woman besides U7 Bulma, with U7 Bulma being the only female role model/mother figure/big sister figure that U7 Videl has, because U7 Bulma is the only woman (older than a toddler) that U7 Videl meet, with the result being that U7 Videl's personality was influenced by U7 Bulma for 14 years, thus explaining why U7 Videl is much more feminine than U16 Videl and U18 Videl, because U7 Videl never meet any tomboys or any other (older than a toddler) women for that matter.

U1 Porunga was already summoned, thus I think that it would be too late for Gohan to try to prevent XXI's wish. The only way Gohan could prevent XXI's wish is if Gohan murders U1 Mori, but it would be out of character for Gohan to murder Mori.

Besides, what in-universe reason would Gohan currently have to destroy a Dragon Ball when Gohan does not know yet that XXI is evil?

Gast did not tell Gohan any information about XXI. Old Kai did not tell Gohan any information about XXI, thus Gohan does not know enough about XXI besides that XXI is a spellcaster who can use hax powers and whose true form looks like a living shadow. Gohan does not know yet that XXI has evil minions.

I think that the wish that Gohan is going to prevent is probably someone else's wish, not XXI's wish. 1 Replie(s)

XXI had made the mistake of not allowing the Heloites their wish, thus giving them and the Z Fighters access to carbonite, something that XXI does not know if he is immune to. I think that even if it turns out that XXI would be immune to carbonite, his minions are probably not immune to carbonite.

Had XXI waited to interrupt the tournament ceremony until after the wish to save U19 was made, his enemies would not have been able to have any chance to try to use carbonite against XXI.

But for some reason XXI chose to take the risk of refusing to wish to destroy the U19 carbonite, which is something that may or may not be able to affect XXI.

But on the previous page the Heloites did not know yet about the villains's plans to sabotage the tournament ceremony. 1 Replie(s)

Why are the Heliotes not happy about getting their wish granted for free?

Maybe carbonite is an non-issue by our standards, however carbonite was show to exist on the DBM versions of other universes and that it can be used as a weapon that can bypass lssj Broly's durability, thus I think that XXI and Kaioshins may have their own respective reasons to consider carbonite a threat to their own respective plans.

I think that we were not show yet if XXI is immune to carbonite or not immune to carbonite, if XXI is not immune to carbonite, that would make carbonite a weapon that people could use to defeat XXI.

I think that XXI would be smart enough to know that wishing to split Gast would give the Z Fighters and U7 Namekians easier access to Dragon Balls, which they could then use to make the sort of specific wishes that could potentially ruin XXI's plans, like for example wishing that XXI gains his own soul and/or wishing that XXI's old man body becomes his true body, which would make it easier to defeat XXI via making XXI a living being with a soul that could then be affected by certain hax techniques such as U8 Ginyu's Bodychange technique, U1 South Kaioshin using I'K'L's Za Warudo/Time Stop technique and so on.

Even if U1 Porunga would look the same as his alternate universe counterparts, I think that it still does not explain why page 2517 shows U1 Grand Elder Mori instead of another U1 Grand Elder Namekian when (I think) that U1 would probably have the U1 Kaioshins probably intervene to stop the Namekian world war/cataclism from happening on U1 Planet Namek, thus I think that U1 Planet Namek would probably have a higher amount of Dragon Clan Namekian Elders candidates than most alternate universe counterparts of Planet Namek do.

Or XXI could try to word that wish in a more subtle way such as "I wish to become an Universe 1 being version of myself" or "I wish to have a self-substaining self-repairing time machine that works like U12 Trunks's time machine does" or "I wish that both I and my possessions are send to Universe 1" or "I wish that I could easily make, understand, know, replicate, reverse engineer and use any and all of the U1 Vargas technology even if I'm not an U1 Varga". 1 Replie(s)

- U18 Goku had already completed his hero journey since he trained U18 Uub.
— The current DBM arc is about U5 XXI's shenanigans/schemes, not Goku's journey.
— U18 Goku getting a rematch against XXI is meaningless/changes nothing unless this DBM chapter anticlimax is a fake out, because this DBM chapter anticlimax had already show us that Goku's normal super saiyan form is not enough to give Goku the means required to defeat XXI's old man form, much less XXI's true form.

A Dragon Balls set cannot grant wishes that are more powerful than their creator's raw power.

So far DBM has not explained yet why Uuv seems to be evil.

I have some theories about why Uuv seems to be evil:
— Theory: U1 Uuv is U1 Ginyu.
— Theory: I think that probably eventually at least one of the U1 Vargas would probably want to use their own technology to conquer other universes.
— Theory: U1 Uuv is U1 XXI. I think that it is suspicious that so far U1 Elder Kai's fate was not show, and that so far we have not seem him with the other U1 Kaioshins.

This DBM chapter fight is different from those fights.

During early Dragon Ball usually all Kid Goku had to do to win a fight or win a rematch was to train to get stronger. However, this DBM chapter fight has already show us that U18 Goku's normal super saiyan form did not give him the means required to defeat XXI's old man form, much less XXI's true form.

Even if U18 Goku continues training for several decades after he unlocked his normal super saiyan form, his normal super saiyan form would still not give him the means to kill XXI's true form via punching, kicking or shooting ki blasts. Gast tried the punching, kicking and shooting ki blasts against XXI's true form but it did not work.

How is U18 Goku going to get his revenge against XXI? Even if U18 Goku continues training for several decades after he unlocked his normal super saiyan form, his normal super saiyan form would still not give him the means to kill XXI's true form via punching, kicking or shooting ki blasts. Gast tried the punching, kicking and shooting ki blasts against XXI's true form but it did not work.

I actually meant "I think that if this becomes a fake out that is probably the only thing that could make the readers stop being angry at this DBM chapter anticlimax."

Did Goku knew about I'K'L's time stop hax before fighting XXI? If the answer to that question is "yes", then Goku could have just asked U18 Vegeta and U18 Gohan how they defeated Guldo.

I have a theory: What if the wish that they are trying to prevent from happening is actually not XXI's wish?

I have a theory: What if it was actually XXI who granted I'K'L's time stop power to South Kaioshin?

I think that this being a fake out is probably the only thing that could make the readers stop being angry at this DBM chapter anticlimax.

I think that even if the second part of this DBM chapter is somehow the best DBM pages ever it is still probably not going to be enough to make the fans stop being angry at this DBM chapter anticlimax.

I think that even if the second part of this DBM chapter is somehow the best DBM pages ever it is still probably not going to be enough to make the fans stop being angry at this DBM chapter anticlimax. 3 Replie(s)

I'm going to point out the elephant in the room: Discus appearing to heal Goku implies that Goku is still alive, also Goku did not give up, the Vargas did not said the 30 seconds count while Goku is laying on the ground, thus I think that hopefully if Goku is lucky he (Goku) could potentially get up to have a comeback to try to continue fighting XXI, if Goku gets up before Discus heals him.

Or is it? Discus appearing to heal Goku implies that Goku is still alive, thus let's hope that Goku can potentially get up to have a comeback to try to continue fighting XXI.

Hopefully maybe Goku if he could get up to continue fighting XXI.

Imagine if Goku gets up to have a comeback to continue fighting XXI, if that happens I think that it would make this fight better. After all, Saiyans can and have survived fatal injuries before.

I hope that despite Goku's injuries, Goku has the determination to get up to continue fighting XXI for at least long enough to at least destroy XXI's old man form, to show us that Goku at least gave his all before he lost to XXI.

I concur. I hope that Goku choses to tell Discus to not heal him, and then Goku choses to get up to continue fighting XXI despite his injuries.

And yet Guldo lost to Vegeta, thus I think that there is probably a way for a fighting genius like Goku to figure out a way to counter I'K'L's time stop hax. 1 Replie(s)

Piccolo is angry instead of shocked, as if Goku having a hole in the chest reminded Piccolo about that Goku's death from the Raditz Saga.

That was an accidental typo, a mistake. I apologize.

It had become an habit of mine at some point but I do not remember why I started doing that.

Ok, I will try to not do that again.

I said what I knew as I knew it at the time I said that, if my knowledge/what I said was wrong I apologize, because they were my mistakes that did not have any malice on them as far as I know. 1 Replie(s)

I think that U18 Goku being suddenly wounded like that is probably either U16 Vegetto's doing or U1 South Kaioshin using I'K'L's powers or U5 XXI summoning U5 Spike the Devilman, because otherwise there is not reason for the U18 characters to be so shocked when they already saw several times how U5 XXI defeated most of his opponents so quickly.

I think that this could be a callback to XXI touched Goku's chest while they were laughting on the 135 page of the DBM minicomic.

Maybe U15 XXI did that to U18 Goku.

U5 XXI's Eternal Dragon said that he cannot grant Zen Buu's abilities to U5 XXI.

And it is also on the DBM webcomic. The DBM webcomic showed U5 XXI trading physical blows with Gast and destroying that Zen Buu's piece.

Or U5 Spike the Devilman. Goku is canonically only pure of heart if/when Goku is on his base form, thus U18 Normal SSJ Goku could be actually killed by U5 Spike the Devilman's Devilmite Beam no matter how high Goku's powerlevel is on Goku's transformed state.

I think that it is not pointless to show that U5 XXI is competent, wise, smart, clever and cunning enough to have contingency plans just in case.

I think that it is not pointless if U5 XXI wants to make more than 3 wishes, specially because I think that U5 XXI wishing for multiversal travel by itself probably would not be enough to help him defeat the strongest warriors of the multiverse.

I think that it is not pointless if the U1 Kaioshins would refuse to allow U5 XXI to wish for multiversal travel.

U5 XXI heard what Uuv said about I'K'L's powers, thus giving U5 XXI ideas about what to wish for. 2 Replie(s)

Friendly reminder that what U5 XXI did to those DBM villains's bodies is something that he (U5 XXI) did to them without their consent, thus U5 XXI does not need consent to put pieces of himself inside someone's body, and we saw that Gast was partially absorbed by U5 XXI, thus U5 XXI probably had put pieces of himself inside Gast's body, which would explain Gast's suspicious behavior. Thus there is nothing stopping U5 XXI from putting a piece of himself inside U18 Goku's body outside of U18 Normal SSJ Goku's speed.

Out all DBZ villains the only ones who are old enough to have been absorbed by U5 XXI during ancient times are U5 Janemba, U5 Dabura, U5 Kid Buu, U5 Majin Ozotto the Super Monster and U5 Hirudegarn (original body, not the animated statue body).

Yes, I think it is about time for Salagir to finally actually explain to the readers which one is canonically stronger, Mystic Saiyan form or Normal Super Saiyan form.

Maybe for now but what if at some point U5 XXI summons U5 Ozotto? 2 Replie(s)

Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn showed that Janemba was capable of asexual reproduction via parthenogenesis, so U5 Janemba can have children that U5 XXI can absorb, thus making it possible for U5 XXI to have access to several U5 Janembas that he (U5 XXI) could summon.

I never said that Majin Ozotto is canon on Dragon Ball manga.

What I did said was that advert for an arcade video game found on Dragon Ball manga does makes Majin Ozotto canon on DBM continuity even if he is not canon on DB manga, because Salagir said that everything from Dragon Ball manga is canon on DBM, thus by that logic Majin Ozotto is canon on DBM even if he is not canon on DB manga. 1 Replie(s)

Friendly reminder that U5 XXI could summon U13 Vegeta, U13 Nappa, U13 Kakaroto, U14 Android 17, U14 Android 18, U8 Frieza, U8 Cooler and U8 Ginyu, because we saw them becoming extensions of U5 XXI when he put pieces of himself inside their bodies. Page 2446 shows that a portion of U7 Gast's body was absorbed by U5 XXI, thus explaining U7 Gast's suspicious behavior.

Page 2446 shows that a portion of U7 Gast's body was absorbed by U5 XXI, which explains U7 Gast's suspicious behavior, thus there is a chance that U5 XXI could summon U7 Gast and make him fight U18 Goku.

Salagir said that everything that everything from the original DB manga is canon on DBM unless Salagir says otherwise; Majin Ozotto the Super Monster appeared on one page of the original DB manga, thus U5 XXI could summon U5 Majin Ozotto the Super Monster without contradicting Salagir's previous comments.

It took 45 million years for U5 XXI to devour the DBM version of Universe 5, thus any U5 character 45 million years old or older was absorbed by U5 XXI and could be summoned by U5 XXI too.

45 million years old (or older) U5 characters from the original DB manga that U5 XXI could potentially summon:
— U5 Arale via time travel: She time traveled 75 years to the past during the events of Dr. Slum. And unlike Bulma's time machine, Senbei Norimaki's time machine can and has actually been used for actual time travel instead of sending someone to a "past universe".
— U5 Kid Buu.
— U5 Majin Ozotto the Super Monster.
— U5 Dabura.
— U5 Elder Kai, and those U5 Elder Kai's generation U5 Kaioshins.
— U5 Grand Kai, U5 King Kai and other U5 Kais.
— U5 King Yemma.
— U5 Toribot.
— U5 Mr. Popo.
— U5 pre-cataclism ancient Namekians. They could potentially be a threat to U18 Goku if U5 XXI summons them, because ancient Namekians from the time before the cataclism happened on planet Namek were siginificantly much more stronger and technologically advanced than Namek Saga Namekians, to the point that a pre-cataclism Namekian such as the pre-split Nameless Namekian (who was stronger than Namek Saga Frieza according to what Guru said) was significantly stronger than all Namek Saga Warrior Clan Namekians despite the pre-split Nameless Namekian being a Dragon Clan Namekian. This means that ancient Namekians from 45 millions years ago are each at least stronger than Namek Saga Warrior Clan Namekians.

Those other DBM characters that U5 XXI could summon, because U5 XXI could summon anyone that he has absorbed.

Friendly reminder that U5 XXI could summon U13 Vegeta, U13 Nappa, U13 Kakaroto, U14 Android 17, U14 Android 18, U8 Frieza, U8 Cooler and U8 Ginyu, because we saw them becoming extensions of U5 XXI when he put pieces of himself inside their bodies.

Page 2446 shows that a portion of U7 Gast's body was absorbed by U5 XXI, which explains U7 Gast's suspicious behavior, thus there is a chance that U5 XXI could summon U7 Gast and make him fight U18 Goku.

U5 XXI could just summon another fighter from Universe 5. For example, U5 XXI could summon U5 Toribot, and use U5 Toribot's powers to do things to U18 Goku.

Because page 2453 shows that U5 Janemba is still controlled by U5 XXI.

Dragon Ball franchise has not revealed yet if post-purification Janemba retains his powers or was depowered. Salagir could chose for the U5 purified Janemba to actually retain his powers.

U5 XXI could summon anything that he has absorbed, thus U5 XXI could summon those DBM villains's bodies that had he put pieces of himself inside of, and maybe U5 XXI could also summon U7 Gast too for the same reason. 1 Replie(s)

Against an opponent such as U5 XXI who is made of a magical smoke and can cover the arena with that magical smoke, not being able to locate his ki signature makes him dangerous. 1 Replie(s)

I'm going to point out the elephant in the room: U5 XXI is not a living being with a soul, thus U18 Goku would not be able to detect U5 XXI's artificial ki signature.

On Dragon Ball franchise most teleportation techniques are based on the user being able to detect and locate the target's ki signature to be able to teleport them, Android 18's artificial ki signature cannot be detected by most ki users from DBM continuity, except for Cell, Cell Juniors, Android 16, other exceptions and maybe Majin Buu, thus U5 XXI probably cannot sense Android 18's artificial ki signature, which would prevent him from teleporting her.

However someone having an artificial ki signature is not enough to hide their ki signature from ki users from other franchises. The reason why I mention other franchises is because the DBM version of Universe 2 has characters from other franchises, for example Spekkio from Chrono Trigger was able to sense and detect Robo's artificial ki signature, thus XXI, Arale, Android 16, Android 17, Android 18, I'K'L and other artificial beings would not able to hide their artificial ki signatures from those Chrono Trigger characters who can sense ki.

U18 Goku is not more of a "genius when it comes to battling" than U16 Vegetto is.

How? Does U18 Goku even have the means to defeat U5 XXI's true form?

Friendly reminder that U5 XXI can voluntarily absorb ki, matter and energy when he wants to, unless it is a spell that was specifically designed to prevent an energy absorber from absorbing it such as what U4 Zen Buu used against U5 XXI, however U18 Goku is not a master spellcaster.

Gast's hax, magic and tricks were not enough to defeat U5 XXI's true form.

Spirit Bomb and Majin Punisher are ki based techniques that U5 XXI probably could just absorb.

And before someone mentions the posibility of Goku using Mafuba, the whole "Goku can use Mafuba" is neither mentioned on the original DB manga nor mentioned on DBZ. 2 Replie(s)

Arale canonically time traveled 75 million years to the past on Dr. Slump, and that time machine actually time travels to the past of the same universe unlike that time machine made by Future Timeline Bulma, thus XXI could meet Arale at some point 75 millions years ago on every DBM universe if Salagir knows/remembers about Arale time traveling 75 million years to the past.

I think that Elder Kai most likely probably does not have the hax abilities/means required to kill XXI's true form even if 75 million years ago XXI's powerlevel at the time was "only" as strong as Namek Saga Final Form Frieza, because otherwise U9 Elder Kai would have already killed U5 XXI's true form, thus someone would have to have had helped Elder Kai defeat XXI 75 million years ago on those DBM universes where XXI was defeated.

So far it seems like that Normal Super Saiyan form gives a bigger speed boost than Ultimate form/Mystic Saiyan form does. However I wonder if Salagir said anything about whether Normal Super Saiyan form is stronger than Ultimate form/Mystic Saiyan form or equal to it or weaker than it.

It is suspicious that Cell is missing on this chapter cover.

Since 2018 Dragon Ball Super retconned Goku's eyes as looking a little derpy. Thus page 2506 depicting U18 Goku having a little derpy eyes is canonically accurate.

All? Cell is missing on this chapter cover.

It seems like that Cell and his tournament match against Goku is not fondly remember on this site.

I hope that DBM webcomic and/or DBM novel someday has that parallel tournament mentioned on page 1992 and page 1993 happen in-universe. 2 Replie(s)

I think that it seems like that whether U1 South Kaioshin is possessed by U15 I'K'L or not possessed by U15 I'K'L, U1 South Kaioshin is probably still going to become one of the most hated DBM characters anyway.

U17 Cell is an artificial being who after becoming Perfect Cell also has all of the same cybernetic implants that those two Androids he absorbed have, thus it is obvious that U17 Cell faked getting frozen in time by U15 I'K'L.

Yes. The "latest page" button is gone at the home page for some reason. 1 Replie(s)

Others and I had called it when we said that U1 South Kaioshin is possessed, it just happens that U1 South Kaioshin is actually possessed by U15 I'K'L instead of U5 XXI.

On several works of fiction when a character is possessed and/or mind controlled they have spirals on their eyes; the last panel of page 2505 shows U1 South Kaioshin's eyes having spirals, thus U1 South Kaioshin is possessed by U15 I'K'L.

U15 I'K'L possessing U1 South Kaioshin's body means that U15 I'K'L can possess U16 Vegetto's body too, which if true it would explain why on page 418 U16 Vegetto said "I'll kill you all if I have to!!", because U15 I'K'L is an omnicidal psychopath. The page 418 "I'll kill you all if I have to!!" is something that an in-character U15 I'K'L would say.

Even if U16 Vegetto is part Vegeta, U16 Vegetto was still stupid enough to eat that corrupted "senzu bean" that U5 XXI created, which probably would make U16 Vegetto more vulnerable to getting possessed by U15 I'K'L.

I called it on my comment posted on page 2496 when I said that U15 I'K'L is even more evil and untrustworthy than U5 XXI. U15 I'K'L chose to genocide almost the entire multiverse except for Universe 15, while U5 XXI did not chose to be hungry. U15 I'K'L is giving really a lot of Zamasu vibes, which is not surprising, because "I'K'L" is short for "I kill all".

Of course, the "some Kaioshins are extremists" plot was done first by DBM several years before DBS/Toriyama/Toyotaro created Zamasu, thus DBS/Toriyama/Toyotaro copied some Salagir's ideas.

Because U1 South Kaioshin is possessed by U15 I'K'L. On several works of fiction when a character is possessed and/or mind controlled they have spirals on their eyes; the last panel of page 2505 shows U1 South Kaioshin's eyes having spirals, thus U1 South Kaioshin is possessed by U15 I'K'L.

U1 South Kaioshin being possessed by U15 I'K'L does not make U1 South Kaioshin evil.

There is a type of possession know as Symbiotic Possession, where the host can at-will willingly chose/toggle which consciousness is currently controlling their body, thus explaining why U1 South Kaioshin does not have access to I'K'L's knowledge and memories, specially considering that Symbiotic Possession does not always grant the host the ability to telepathically talk with their possessor.

On several works of fiction when a character is possessed and/or mind controlled they have spirals on their eyes; the last panel of page 2505 shows U1 South Kaioshin's eyes having spirals, thus U1 South Kaioshin is possessed by U15 I'K'L.

And probably there is nothing preventing U15 I'K'L from trying to possess U16 Vegetto's body.

Even if U16 Vegetto is part Vegeta, U16 Vegetto was still stupid enough to eat that corrupted "senzu bean" that U5 XXI created, which probably would make U16 Vegetto more vulnerable to getting possessed by U15 I'K'L.

If U15 I'K'L retains his powers after possessing U1 South Kaioshin's body, then if U1 South Kaioshin's body is killed U15 I'K'L can possess another body, and that body could potentially be U16 Vegetto's body.

If U15 I'K'L retains his powers after possessing U1 South Kaioshin's body, then if U1 South Kaioshin's body is killed U15 I'K'L can possess another body, and that body could potentially be U16 Vegetto's body.

That specific panel of page 2505 showing heroes also shows those 3 villains: U3 Raichi, U16 Bra and post-corruption (via Zen Buu) U1 Grand Kaioshin.

Some people on this site comments section have said that U16 Bra was only a villain while she was majinized, however U1 South Kaioshin and U15 I'K'L refused to accept "U16 Bra was majinized at the time" as an excuse for her actions.

Because U1 South Kaioshin and U15 I'K'L refused to accept "U16 Bra was majinized at the time" as an excuse for her actions, thus U1 South Kaioshin and U15 I'K'L believe that U16 Bra is a former heroine who became a villainess.

However so far the DBM plot/story presented U9 Yamcha as being justified for disagreeing with that extremist philosophy when U9 Yamcha oppossed U15 I'K'L acting like Zamasu.

Before the DBM tournament started the U1 Kaioshins did not get any retribution for their actions, because so far no one native to Universe 1 was show to be strong enough to be able to defeat the U1 Kaioshins. After the DBM tournament started the U1 Kaioshins did not get any retribution for their actions, because if the U1 Kaioshins got any retribution for their actions, the DBM tournament would get cancelled.

Yes. I think that U15 I'K'L empowering/enhancing/possessing U1 South Kaioshin's body probably means that U13 Mystic Raditz probably would have still lost to the U1 empowered/enhanced/possessed South Kaioshin even if U13 Mystic Raditz lacked the mental blocks.

Well, "I'K'L" is short for "I kill all". 3 Replie(s)

U17 Super Perfect Cell is currently not stronger than U16 Vegetto, however U17 Super Perfect Cell's ability to be able to continue to get zenkais no matter how strong he is means that U17 Super Perfect Cell has infinite potential for powerlevel grow, thus a hypothetical U17 Mystic Super Perfect Cell would be significantly much more stronger than a hypothetical U16 Mystic Vegetto.

U5 XXI has eaten/absorbed all of the DBM version of Universe 5 presumably including U5 Elder Kai, thus U5 XXI can summon and control U5 Elder Kai and use him (U5 Elder Kai) to give to U17 Super Perfect Cell the mystic power up.

Does the U18 real Anju actually exist in-universe? So far the only times we saw U18 Anju on DBM are as U4 Zen Buu's astral projection in disguise appearing on U18 Uub's dream and then U18 Anju appears again inside U4 Zen Buu's pocket dimension.

U5 XXI canonically can use telepathy, as show and proven on page 2488 when U5 XXI was telepathically talking with U9 Elder Kai.

U5 XXI could just talk to U17 Super Perfect Cell telepathically, however U5 XXI needed to meet U17 Super Perfect Cell in person to do to U17 Super Perfect Cell the same thing that he (U5 XXI) did to the other DBM villains: put pieces of himself inside their bodies.

Excuse me, on which DBM page was U5 XXI show hearing what U9 Elder Kai said from several universes away?

If I recall correctly we were not show U5 XXI hearing what U9 Elder Kai said after U9 Elder Kai was send back to Universe 9. 1 Replie(s)

Those U9 kids are lucky that U9 Videl's motorcycle did not explode despite it being covered in flames.

I think that it is because it seems like that the only characters show on those Bardock's visions whose events have not happened yet are U16 characters and U18 characters, which heavily implies that U18 characters and U16 characters are the only characters that are still going to continue to stay on Universe 0 during the rampaging Vegetto arc/multiversal threat arc, which is as depressing/anticlimatic as it sounds.

If I recall correctly U5 XXI never said that he wants to consume other universes. While U5 XXI did said that he wants to travel to other universes, he never said why he wants to travel to other universes.

If U5 XXI tries to eat an universe where an alternate universe version of XXI already won, that is a high risk for U5 XXI, because that alternate universe version of XXI would we strong enough to defeat U5 XXI. If U5 XXI tries to eat an universe where an alternate universe version of XXI already lost, that is a high risk for U5 XXI too, because those universes have their own versions of both Elder Kai and whoever it was that defeated the XXIs from those universes, thus they have the means to defeat a XXI again. Thus U5 XXI is probably smart enough to already know that it is a high risk for U5 XXI to try to eat other universes if U5 XXI does not become more powerful than all of his alternate universe counterparts, because if U5 XXI does not become more powerful than all of his alternate universe counterparts then U5 XXI would be unlikely to succeed at eating other universes even if U5 XXI gets his wish to travel the multiverse, which is something that U5 XXI is probably smart enough to already know, because U5 XXI dislikes taking high risks.

Therefore while one of U5 XXI's wishes is probably going to wish to travel to other universes, I think that U5 XXI's 2nd wish is probably going to be to either permanently remove both his hunger and those alternate universes XXIs's hunger, or wish for complete immortality to ensure that the heroes and XXIs from other universes could not defeat him.

Even those DBM's most hardcore fans who had defended how U16 Bra, U16 Vegetto and U1 South Kaioshin were written despite the controversies still complained on the DBM comments section about the DBM plot making the U9 characters exit the story. The DBM plot making the U9 characters exit the story was much more negatively received by the grand majority of DBM fans than the other choices Salagir made for the DBM plot/story. Thus I think that Salagir did not realize how making the U9 characters exit the story was going to get so very negatively received by the grand majority of DBM fans. 2 Replie(s)

It is suspicious that U13 Kakarotto got over so quickly about U13 Raditz getting "killed" by U1 South Kaioshin, thus there is a chance that U13 Kakarotto wished for immortality for all of his surviving family members, not just himself.

It is suspicious that U13 Raditz had survived so many fights for so long in his life despite being relatively weak.

It is suspicious that so far we were never show U13 Raditz getting fatally injured or "killed" to show us if he has immortality or lacks immortality.

U13 Mystic Raditz's mental blocks made him immune to getting majinized by U11 Babidi during the Majin Rebelion arc, thus U13 Mystic Raditz's mental blocks have protected him against mind affecting spells and effects. 1 Replie(s)

Time to mention the elephant in the room: Page 2489 shows that when U16 Vegetto is bitting that shadowy "senzu bean" his left eye color has changed to the same gray color that Uuv's eyes have when Uuv is evil/mind controlled/possessed, which means that U16 Vegetto is mind controlled/possessed by U5 XXI. Yes, on page 418 when U16 Vegetto says "I'll kill you all if I have to!!" his (U16 Vegetto)'s eyes colors have the same gray color that Uuv's eyes have when Uuv is evil/mind controlled/possessed.
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Mirror link.

U1 South Kaioshin's eyes colors changed to gray colors since the U5 XXI's magical smoke had entered U1 South Kaioshin's mind on page 2482, which means that U5 XXI's magical smoke actually did something to U1 South Kaioshin's mind on page 2482.

If you please, please take a look at Bardock's vision on page 418 where when U16 Vegetto says "I'll kill you all if I have to!!" his (U16 Vegetto)'s eyes colors have the same gray color that Uuv's eyes have when Uuv is evil/mind controlled/possessed.

But on that same page 418 it shows that Bra, U18 Piccolo, U18 Goku and U18 Vegeta have normal eyes colors, thus Salagir and Gogeta Jr deliberately intentionally chose to give U16 Vegetto's eyes a gray eyes color on page 418.

Actually U1 South Kaioshin's eyes colors changed to gray colors since the U5 XXI's magical smoke had entered U1 South Kaioshin's mind on page 2482.

Both page 2495, page 2497, page 2500, page 2501 and page 2502 show that U1 South Kaioshin's eyes colors have the same gray eyes colors that Uuv's eyes have when Uuv is evil/mind controlled/possessed. Page 2498 shows that U1 South Kaioshin has the same shadowy black eyes that U13 Kakarotto has on page 2492.

Page 2490 does not show U1 South Kaioshin's face, to keep the "U1 South Kaioshin has shadowy black eyes on page 2498" reveal as a surprise to the reader.

However both page 2160 and previous pages to page 2160 show that before U1 South Kaioshin's before was possessed/mind controlled his eyes colors were neither gray nor shadowy black.

Page 2489 shows that when U16 Vegetto is bitting that shadowy "senzu bean" his left eye color has changed to the same gray color that Uuv's eyes have when Uuv is evil/mind controlled/possessed. Yes, on page 418 when U16 Vegetto says "I'll kill you all if I have to!!" his (U16 Vegetto)'s eyes colors have the same gray color that Uuv's eyes have when Uuv is evil/mind controlled/possessed.

Because U1 South Kaioshin's mind was show getting mind controlled/possessed by U5 XXI's magical smoke on page 2482.

Because that happened after what U5 XXI's magical smoke did to U1 South Kaioshin's mind on page 2482. In layman's terms, page 2482 showed us that U1 South Kaioshin was mind controlled/possessed all along by U5 XXI. 1 Replie(s)

One of the DBM tournament organizers hear that U5 XXI intentionally continued attacking Gast after Gast had surrendered, thus U1 South Kaioshin saying "XXI is one the rare participants who followed the rules" means that U1 South Kaioshin is either a stupid idiot moron or possessed by U5 XXI.

U16 Bra getting majinized again is something that actually can still happen on DBM even if U11 Babidi is dead, because U5 XXI was show having/using U5 Babidi's powers during the U5 XXI vs U4 Zen Buu fight, which is not surprising, because it can be safely assumed that ancient U5 characters such as U5 Babidi, U5 Kid Buu, U5 Bibidi and U5 Elder Kai would have been absorbed/eaten by U5 XXI when U5 XXI ate the DBM version of Universe 5.

And before someone says "U5 XXI made a wish to learn Babidi's spells", DBM actually showed us that on DBM continuity Babidi's spell did not work when one of the female Vargas tried to cast that spell on U4 Zen Buu, thus proving that on DBM continuity knowing Babidi's spells is not enough to cast Babidi's spells, because on DBM continuity the ability to cast Babidi's spells is exclusive to those who actually have Babidi's powers. Thus U5 XXI can only cast Babidi's spells if he (U5 XXI) had absorbed/eaten U5 Babidi at some point.

U5 XXI actually did do something that would have ticked off the DBM tournament organizers if it was someone else who did it: One of the DBM tournament organizers (the U1 Namekian who hear both Gast saying "I forfeit!" and U5 XXI saying "Alas... if only the tournament organizers could hear you... !" on page 2444) hear that U5 XXI intentionally continued attacking Gast after Gast had surrendered, thus the DBM tournament organizers already know that U5 XXI intentionally broke the DBM tournament rules, which means that U1 South Kaioshin saying "XXI is one the rare participants who followed the rules" means that U1 South Kaioshin is either a stupid idiot moron or possessed by U5 XXI.

I think that Universe 9 characters's fans having to wait several years (potentially near another decade) for the U9 characters to finally return to Universe 0 to have a cameo during the last chapters of DBM is probably not going to be enough to remove the bitterness many fans/readers have feel after this DBM chapter anticlimatic conclusion to the DBM version of Universe 9 characters' arcs.

I think that Universe 9 characters's fans deserved better than this, because the DBM version of Universe 9 characters have a lot of potential for interesting character development, interesting plot hooks, interesting plot resolutions and so on, but this DBM chapter threw all of that away just like that. 2 Replie(s)

U1 South Kaioshin is acting like an idiot. U1 South Kaioshin does not have any evidence that the other U9 characters were conspiring against U5 XXI.

A person giving medical attention to a criminal does not make them an accomplice.

Seriously, the U9 characters giving medical attention to U9 Elder Kai and U13 Raditz does not make them accomplices, thus U1 South Kaioshin does not have any evidence that the other U9 characters were conspiring against U5 XXI.

Sending all of the U9 characters back to Universe 9 just like that is both anticlimatic and dissapointing.

Yes, U1 South Kaioshin will be forever remembered as the stupid tyrannical bastard who ruined Universe 9's story forever.

Say what you will about U16 Bra and U16 Vegetto but their actions at least did not ruin or destroy a lot of interesting characters's arcs.

If that is the case then U9 did not break the rules for giving medical attention to U9 Elder Kai and U13 Raditz, yet U1 South Kaioshin send all U9 characters back to Universe 9 despite only U9 Elder Kai doing anything that would be considered close to rule breaking.

A person giving medical attention to a criminal does not make them an accomplice.

The U9 characters giving medical attention to U9 Elder Kai and U13 Raditz does not make them accomplices, thus U1 South Kaioshin does not have any evidence that the other U9 characters were conspiring against U5 XXI.

I think that U1 South Kaioshin sending U9 Elder Kai back to Universe 9 maybe weakened U13 Mystic Raditz's mental blocks, because otherwise U1 South Kaioshin would send the U13 Saiyans back to Universe 13 and ruin U5 XXI's plans.

Temporarily disable U13 Mystic Raditz's mental blocks so that he can fight U1 South Kaioshin. 1 Replie(s)

DBM chose to celebrate reaching 2500 pages via giving U9 Videl the Bojack Gang facial expression.

I hope that someday it is U16 Vegetto's turn to have that Bojack Gang facial expression when he (U16 Vegetto) goes on a rampage.

U13 Mystic Raditz has mental blocks, however the DBZ Broly movie (which is canon on DBM) showed that is it possible for someone to eventually permanently overcome mental blocks via having enough amounts of anger and/or hate, thus if U13 Mystic Raditz gets angry/hateful enough at some point he may be able to permanently overcome his mental blocks.

That is not a "hole in the story", because page 2482 showed U1 South Kaioshin's mind getting possessed by U5 XXI's magical smoke, and well, U5 XXI does not want the U13 Saiyans to get send back to Universe 13.

Because U1 South Kaioshin probably realized that if he reported what happened to the Vargas, it would probably result in the Vargas sending U1 South Kaioshin back to Universe 1 for breaking the DBM tournament rules, well that and U5 XXI not wanting the U13 Saiyans to get send back to Universe 13.

You have answered your own questions.

Or much more likely the other U1 Kaioshins would order the Vargas to send U1 South Kaioshin back to Universe 1 for breaking the DBM tournament rules.

Because U1 South Kaioshin does not want the Vargas to send U1 South Kaioshin back to Universe 1 for breaking the DBM tournament rules.

No, unless people chose to miss/forget U5 XXI's magical smoke entering U1 South Kaioshin's mind during the events show on page 2482.

U9 Videl was actually talking about giving a beating to U13 Mystic Raditz, not U13 immortal Kakarotto.

I think that U9 Elder Kai would be able to stall U1 South Kaioshin considering that:
— On at least 19 of those 20 universes that have participated on the DBM tournament Elder Kai has hax that somehow (directly or indirectly) defeated those universes versions of XXI, thus U9 Elder Kai has the option of trying to use hax against U1 South Kaioshin.
— U9 Elder Kai is a potara fused being, presumably with the big multiplier to powerlevel that would come with being a potara fused being.

That is the logic that Undertale uses for it is in-universe morality. 1 Replie(s)

U9 Elder Kai could use his powers to give to villains weaker than himself both the mystic power up and mental blocks to save the universes from them.

That will eventually backfire on the DBM version of Universe 13 after U13 immortal Kakarotto eventually gets/unlocks ssj3 and then eventually gets/unlocks the mystic power up/ssj0 on his own by just training just like that, significantly greatly surpassing U13 Mystic Raditz's powerlevel by at least two tiers in the process, because U13 immortal Kakarotto has the genetic potential to eventually do that just like that, because both U13 immortal Kakarotto and U18 Goku have the same genetic potential.

U18 Goku got/unlocked both ssj3 and the mystic power up/ssj0 on his own by just training just like that, thus U13 immortal Kakarotto can and will eventually get/unlock ssj3 and then eventually get/unlock the mystic power up/ssj0 on his own by just training just like that too, because both U13 immortal Kakarotto and U18 Goku have the same genetic potential.

What you said are the good news for the DBM version of Universe 13.

The bad news for the DBM version of Universe 13 are that like U18 Goku, U13 Kakarotto was born having Goku's genetic potential to eventually unlock/get the mystic power up/ssj0 on his own by just training if he survives long enough to eventually do so, and since U13 Kakarotto is immortal, well, U13 immortal Kakarotto is eventually going to eventually unlock/get the mystic power up/ssj0 on his own by just training no matter what U13 Mystic Raditz does, significantly greatly surpassing U13 Mystic Raditz's powerlevel by at least two tiers in the process.

Once U13 immortal Kakarotto eventually unlocks/gets the mystic power up/ssj0 on his own by just training, significantly greatly surpassing U13 Mystic Raditz's powerlevel by at least two tiers in the process, there is nothing stopping U13 immortal Mystic Kakarotto from just enslaving U13 Mystic Raditz if U13 Mystic Raditz ever tries to stop U13 Kakarotto from killing innocent people; unless U13 Vegeta (or someone else) destroys U13 immortal Kakarotto's head and then U13 immortal Kakarotto regenerates his head but with amnesia that causes U13 immortal Kakarotto's personality to become like U18 Goku's personality.

In addition, U13 immortal Kakarotto's immortality means that once U13 immortal Kakarotto eventually unlocks his ssj3 form he (U13 immortal Kakarotto) will be able to stay on his ssj3 form all the time 24/7 for as long as he wants.

Even if U13 Mystic Raditz is currently stronger than U18 Mystic Gohan, U13 immortal Kakarotto still has Goku's genetic potential to eventually get/unlock the mystic power up/ssj0 by just training just like that, significantly greatly surpassing U13 Mystic Raditz's powerlevel by at least two tiers in the process, and when that eventually happens U13 Mystic Raditz is going to get reduced to be a jobber again.

And then U13 Mystic Raditz becomes a joke again after U13 immortal Kakarotto eventually gets/unlocks the mystic power up/ssj0 on his own by just training just like that, significantly greatly surpassing U13 Mystic Raditz's powerlevel by at least two tiers in the process.

Except for the notable exceptions of Dragon Ball Super continuity and Dragon Ball AF continuity, on most Dragon Ball continuities it is actually a plot point that Broly was actually born a genocidal evil psychopath (even by Saiyan society standards) who had already decided when he was a new born baby to use another baby crying as an excuse to be a genocidal evil psychopath even by Saiyan society standards, because on most Dragon Ball continuities Broly was born a genocidal evil psychopath even by Saiyan society standards to the point that King Vegeta quickly noticed Broly's genocidal evil psychopathy and then he (King Vegeta) tried (but failed) to kill Broly to try to save the Saiyans from Broly's genocidal evil psychopathy.

Indeed, any non-evil toddler of any sapient species can easily defeat U13 Mystic Raditz.

Well, that as show and proven by U18 Goku getting/unlocking the mystic power up/ssj0 on his own by just training just like that, and since U18 Goku and U13 immortal Kakarotto have the same genetic potential and are genetically identical including having the genetic potential to eventually get/unlock the mystic power up/ssj0 on their own by just training, significantly greatly surpassing U13 Mystic Raditz's powerlevel by at least two tiers in the process, U13 Mystic Raditz's mental blocks means that U13 Mystic Raditz's mental bloacks will probably prevent U13 Mystic Raditz from being strong enough to keep U13 immortal Kakarotto in check, because U13 immortal Kakarotto's pure insanity and mentally retarded childlike personality probably makes him count as pure of heart by Dragon Ball franchise standards.

Like U18 Goku, U13 immortal Kakarotto has significantly much more higher genetic potential than U13 Mystic Raditz has, thus eventually U13 immortal Kakarotto will be too strong for U13 Mystic Raditz to protect the Universe 13 people from U13 immortal Kakarotto's rampages even if U13 Vegeta is killed.

And also that U13 Mystic Raditz still could not keep U13 immortal Kakarotto in check, because U13 immortal Kakarotto's pure insanity and mentally retarded childlike personality probably makes him count as pure of heart by Dragon Ball franchise standards.

Nope.

On Dragon Ball franchise Kais and Kaioshins are canonically holy even if they are evil, which is why absorbing two Kaioshins tamed Majin Buu. Thus Majin Buu would have still become as innocent and childlike as he became in canon after absorbing two Kaioshins even if Kid Buu absorbed Zamasu and Aeos.

On Dragon Ball franchise Kais and Kaioshins are canonically holy even if they are evil, which is why absorbing two Kaioshins tamed Majin Buu. 1 Replie(s)

Page 2498 showing that U1 South Kaioshin has shadowy black eyes confirms that he is currently possessed/enhanced/mind controlled by pieces of U5 XXI.

This DBM chapter has show that those DBM characters who have U5 XXI's shadowy black eyes actually have pieces of U5 XXI inside their bodies and are immune to magic, which in this case apparently includes being able to neutralize the mystic power up that U13 Raditz got.

Evidence that U1 South Kaioshin is currently possessed/enhanced/mind controlled by U5 XXI:
— On page 2498 U1 South Kaioshin has the same shadowy black eyes that U13 Kakarotto has on page 2492.
— On page 2482 shows that someone is trying to mind control U1 South Kaioshin via giving to his mind a command that says "Corruption! Destruction! Save every universe! I'm counting on you!".
— The last panel of page 2482 shows U5 XXI's magical smoke inside U1 South Kaioshin's mind, thus confirming that it is actually U5 XXI who said "Corruption! Destruction! Save every universe! I'm counting on you!" to U1 South Kaioshin.
— On page 2497 U1 South Kaioshin's eyes have the same gray eyes color that Uuv has when Uuv is evil.

Because so far U5 XXI was never show killing an innocent person for a reason that is not hunger.

In addition, if U5 XXI ordered U1 South Kaioshin to kill U9 Elder Kai and U13 Raditz, it would ruin the "U5 XXI is trustworthy" ruse that U5 XXI is trying to trick U16 Vegetto into believing.

The last panel of page 2482 shows U5 XXI's magical smoke inside U1 South Kaioshin's mind. Page 2498 shows that U1 South Kaioshin has shadowy black eyes.

Because U9 Elder Kai does not know that U1 South Kaioshin is currently possessed/enhanced/mind controlled by pieces of U5 XXI.

A wizard (U5 XXI) did it.

On page 2498 U1 South Kaioshin has the same shadowy black eyes that U13 Kakarotto has on page 2492.

It is justified in-universe by U1 South Kaioshin having the same shadowy black eyes that U13 Kakarotto has on page 2492, which means that U1 South Kaioshin is currently possessed by U5 XXI.

Not if U1 South Kaioshin has shadowy black eyes and is enhanced by U5 XXI's magic, which is what page 2492 is showing currently happening to U1 South Kaioshin.

Nope, thus explaining why U1 South Kaioshin is leaving U9 Elder Kai and U13 Raditz alone instead of dragging them to the Vargas.

I think that U1 South Kaioshin having shadowy black eyes does not qualify as "for no reason at all".

U1 South Kaioshin is currently controlled by U5 XXI, thus U1 South Kaioshin was not going to bother to listen to what U9 Elder Kai is going to say.

U1 South Kaioshin is not Zamazu, but U1 South Kaioshin is currently controlled by U5 XXI.

U1 South Kaioshin already has a piece of U5 XXI inside his body, with the shadowy black eyes that comes with it.

Because U5 XXI does not want the U13 Saiyans to be send back to Universe 13.

Yes. However, page 2482 shows U5 XXI's magical smoke inside U1 South Kaioshin's mind, thus confirming that it is actually U5 XXI who said "Corruption! Destruction! Save every universe! I'm counting on you!" to U1 South Kaioshin.

In addition, page 2497 shows that U1 South Kaioshin's eyes have the same gray eyes color that Uuv has when Uuv is evil.

U1 South Kaioshin is possessed by U5 XXI.

On Dragon Ball canon continuity Raditz in-universe was never treated like a joke by Saiyan society.

For some reason most fans conveniently "forget" the fact that Raditz may have been born as a low class Saiyan but he had already become an elite class Saiyan by the time he was adult.

For some reason most fans conveniently "forget" the fact that on Dragon Ball canon continuity Raditz is canonically stronger than 99,99% of adult Saiyans of his generation to the point that at the time King Vegeta, Paragus, Broly, Prince Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Bardock were the only adult Saiyans stronger than Raditz was at the time, which is why Raditz was canonically one of the few adult Saiyans of his generation to be actually strong enough to have the honor of being chosen as one of Prince Vegeta's bodyguards, while most adult Saiyans of Raditz's generation were relatively too weak (by Prince Vegeta's standards) for Prince Vegeta to want to give them the chance of becoming Prince Vegeta's bodyguards, because 99,99% of adult Saiyans of Raditz's generation had powerlevels that were lower than 1000.

On Dragon Ball canon continuity a powerlevel of 1000 is stronger than the powerlevels of 99,99% of adult Saiyans of Raditz's generation. It just happens that King Vegeta, Paragus, Broly, Prince Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Nappa and Bardock are even stronger than Raditz was at the time.

U15 I'K'L wants to omnicide almost all life on the entire multiverse except for Universe 15, while U5 XXI is just trying to find a way to satiate his hunger, a hunger that U5 XXI did not chose to have. Thus even if U5 XXI wins the DBM tournament, U15 I'K'L is still a much more dangerous multiversal threat than the U5 XXI who at least can be reasoned with and is willing to make friends and help them in return for them helping/allowing him to feed, which means that U15 I'K'L is willing to use eviler means/methods to achieve goals than U5 XXI does.

Seriously, let's compare U15 I'K'L intentionally genociding innocent people (U16 Vegetto and many DBM tournament spectators) with U5 XXI helping innocent people (U16 Vegetto and U19 Helioites). U5 XXI was never show intentionally murdering an innocent person for a reason that was not his involuntary tragic hunger.

Even if U5 XXI is evil, U5 XXI is still a saint compared to U15 I'K'L's omnicidal mavelovent psychopathy, to the point that U15 I'K'L gives Zamasu vibes.

U5 XXI's evilness is tragic and involuntarily forced with circumstances (his hunger) that are outside his control, U15 I'K'L's evilness is an intentional, premeditated and deliberate choice.

Yes, even if both U5 XXI and U15 I'K'L are evil, U5 XXI still has already show and proven himself to be actually much more trustworthy/sympathetic than U15 I'K'L ever was.

U5 XXI did not chose to be born with a hunger that has lasted for over 75 billions years, U15 I'K'L actually chose to commit omnicide on almost all of the multiverse. Thus I think that U5 XXI being the multiversal threat mentioned in Bardock's visions is a red herring.

Friendly reminder that after U15 I'K'L was born, he transformed into a form that has the number 2, which means that either U15 I'K'L has more transformations or there is actually more than one U15 I'K'L, either way U15 I'K'L has show that he is willing to use eviler means/methods to achieve goals than U5 XXI does.

What you said used to be canon until Dragon Ball Minus retconned most Saiyans to be actually civilians, not warriors, well that

When I say "Prince Vegeta's bodyguard" I meant "Prince Vegeta's enforcer", because being "Prince Vegeta's bodyguard" and being "Prince Vegeta's enforcer" are pretty much the same job/position on Saiyan culture.

Farmer with shotgun's gun is an inanimate non-magical non-psionic mundane object that does not have any ki that could be sensed by a scouter.

Friendly reminder that on Dragon Ball canon continuity Raditz is canonically stronger than 99,99% of adult Saiyans of his generation to the point that at the time King Vegeta, Paragus, Broly, Prince Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Bardock were the only adult Saiyans stronger than Raditz was at the time, which is why Raditz was canonically one of the few adult Saiyans of his generation to be actually strong enough to have the honor of being chosen as one of Prince Vegeta's bodyguards, while most adult Saiyans of Raditz's generation were relatively too weak (by Prince Vegeta's standards) for Prince Vegeta to want to give them the chance of becoming Prince Vegeta's bodyguards.

On Dragon Ball canon continuity a powerlevel of 1000 is stronger than the powerlevels of 99,99% of adult Saiyans of Raditz's generation. It just happens that King Vegeta, Paragus, Broly, Prince Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Nappa and Bardock are even stronger than Raditz was at the time.

On Dragon Ball canon continuity Raditz in-universe was never treated like a joke by Saiyan society.

Friendly reminder that on Dragon Ball canon continuity both the average Human and the average Saiyan are born with a powerlevel of 5, it just happens that Saiyans train their ki for years while growing up on a planet that has higher gravity than planet Earth does.

Friendly reminder that on Dragon Ball canon continuity 99,99% of adult Saiyans of Raditz's generation had powerlevels that were lower than 1000, which is why Raditz was canonically one of the few adult Saiyans of his generation to be actually strong enough to have the honor of being chosen as one of Prince Vegeta's bodyguards, while most adult Saiyans of Raditz's generation were relatively too weak (by Prince Vegeta's standards) for Prince Vegeta to want to give them the chance of becoming Prince Vegeta's bodyguards.

Friendly reminder that on Dragon Ball canon continuity a powerlevel of 1000 is stronger than the powerlevels of 99,99% of adult Saiyans of Raditz's generation. It just happens that King Vegeta, Broly, Prince Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Nappa and Bardock are even stronger than Raditz was at the time.

For some reason most fans conveniently "forget" the fact that Raditz may have been born as a low class Saiyan but he had already become an elite class Saiyan by the time he was adult.

For some reason most fans conveniently "forget" the fact that Raditz is canonically stronger than 99,99% of adult Saiyans of his generation to the point that at the time King Vegeta, Paragus, Broly, Prince Vegeta, Goku, Nappa and Bardock were the only adult Saiyans stronger than Raditz was at the time, which is why Raditz was canonically one of the few adult Saiyans of his generation to be actually strong enough to have the honor of being chosen as one of Prince Vegeta's bodyguards, while most adult Saiyans of Raditz's generation were relatively too weak (by Prince Vegeta's standards) for Prince Vegeta to want to give them the chance of becoming Prince Vegeta's bodyguards.

But we know that on Dragon Ball canon continuity both the average Human and the average Saiyan are born with a powerlevel of 5, it just happens that Saiyans train their ki for years while growing up on a planet that has higher gravity than planet Earth does. 1 Replie(s)

I meant "On page 2495 his robe is long enough to reach his boots".

DBM has changed in tone, mood, moral narrative and characters's characterization since the Majin Rebellion arc. I wonder why Salagir chose to modify DBM to such an extent since the Majin Rebellion arc.

Even if U1 South Kaioshin does not kill U13 Raditz and U9 Elder Kai, he (U1 South Kaioshin) would probably most likely still send them back to their own respective universes for "plotting against the participant of Universe 5", thus the U13 Raditz's arc is probably still going to become an anticlimax anyway even if U13 Raditz survives this.

Time to mention the elephant in the room. It is suspicious that something is just very off about U1 South Kaioshin's looks on page 2495:
— He has loss muscle mass.
— On page 2495 his eyes colors currently are the same gray color as Uuv's gray eyes.
— On page 2495 his robe is longer than on page 2490. On page 2445 his robe is long each to reach his boots, while on page 2490 his robe memrely reaches to his hips.

Yes. It is suspicious that on page 2495 U1 South Kaioshin looks different from what he looks like on page 2490. 1 Replie(s)

Even if U5 XXI wins against U18 Goku, U5 XXI would still need to get helped by those DBM villains to get his wish anyway, because otherwise there is a chance that U1 Kaioshins, U12 Trunks, U12 Android 16, U15 I'K'L (if he is still alive), U9 Elder Kai (if he is still alive), U13 Raditz (if he is still alive), U9 Yamcha, U7 Gast, U18 Goku and U16 Vegetto could try to get in the way of U5 XXI's wish.

Even if U5 XXI is more powerful than most of the DBM tournament Z-fighters, they can still potentially get the U1 Dragon Balls before U5 XXI gets them, thus U5 XXI would still need to get helped by those DBM villains to get his wish even if U5 XXI wins against U18 Goku.

Friendly reminder that XXI was actually defeated on nineteen of the twenty universes that are participating in the DBM tournament.

U9 Elder Kai probably knows/remembers how U9 XXI was defeated on Universe 9, thus at some point off-panel U9 Elder Kai probably could have told U18 Goku how to defeat U5 XXI. 1 Replie(s)

U14 Android 18 has personal reasons to hate U5 XXI and want to betray him, thus she has a reason to snitch him. But could U14 Android 18 actually get away by trying to betray U5 XXI after he had put his magical smoke (that was show to be able to absorb energy and matter, including a portion of Gast's body and energy) inside her body?

U5 XXI is not bothered by the U14 Androids killing the other XXIs, because it seems like that on the DBM versions of most universes the other XXIs were already defeated at some point 75 billions of years ago, which is something that the U14 Androids would not know about.

U5 XXI can chose which parts of his memories and knowledge he shows to those DBM villains, which is why those U14 Androids do not know about the information that on the DBM versions of most universes the other XXIs were already defeated at some point 75 billions of years ago.

Saying "no" to U5 XXI's offer is not an option for most of those DBM villains, because most of those DBM villains are not fast enough to dodge U5 XXI's magical smoke, because U5 XXI's magical smoke is an area of effect attack that can and did move faster than Gast, thus only someone who can teleport and move faster than Gast could dodge U5 XXI's magical smoke.

If U5 XXI wanted, he could just use his magical smoke to outright absorb those DBM villains's bodies on the spot, the reason why U5 XXI has not absorbed those DBM villains's bodies is because if U5 XXI absorbs those DBM villains's bodies, those DBM villains's bodies would be considered Universe 5 beings, thus making it easier for the Vargas to send those DBM villains to another universe, and if the Vargas send those DBM villains to another universe it would prevent them from causing the distraction that U5 XXI wants.

U5 XXI wants to trick those DBM villains into causing a distraction while U5 XXI steals the U1 Dragon Balls. Regardless of whether those DBM villains coperate with each other to get the Dragon Balls, betray each other to get the Dragon Balls or betray U5 XXI to get the Dragon Balls, that is still going to cause the distraction that U5 XXI wants anyway.

Refusing U5 XXI's offer is not an option for most of those DBM villains, because most of those DBM villains are not fast enough to dodge U5 XXI's magical smoke, because U5 XXI's magical smoke is an area of effect attack that can and did move faster than Gast, thus only someone who can teleport and move faster than Gast could dodge U5 XXI's magical smoke.

In addition, U14 Android 18 was show to be seemingly not convinced by U5 XXI's offer.

U17 Super Perfect Cell could teleport to dodge U5 XXI's magical smoke, thus U5 XXI recruiting U17 Super Perfect Cell is probably not going to be so easy.

U5 XXI has put his magical smoke inside those DBM villains's bodies, a magical smoke that was show to have the ability to absorb energy and matter during his fight with Gast, thus U5 XXI probably could absorb those DBM villains's bodies from the inside anytime he wants.

It certainly helped U5 XXI that most of those DBM villains are not fast enough to dodge U5 XXI's magical smoke. However U5 XXI knows that U16 Vegetto can teleport and move fast enough to dodge U5 XXI's smoke, thus U5 XXI tricked U16 Vegetto into eating a "senzu bean".

It was show both in-universe and out-of-universe that U5 XXI uses his magical smoke to eat energy and matter during U5 XXI fight with Gast when U5 XXI's magical smoke was show absorbing a portion of Gast's body and energy, a magical smoke that U5 XXI has already put inside several DBM villains's bodies, thus U5 XXI probably could absorb those villains's bodies from the inside anytime he wants.

All of the (still physically present) DBM tournament fighters in-universe already saw what U5 XXI's magical smoke did to Gast's body, however most DBM villains are not fast enough to dodge U5 XXI's magical smoke, because U5 XXI's magical smoke is an area of effect attack that can and did move faster than Gast, thus only someone who can teleport and move faster than Gast could dodge U5 XXI's magical smoke. Because of that refusing U5 XXI's offer is not an option for most DBM villains.

U5 XXI's magical smoke is an area of effect attack that is faster than Gast. Even if Gast was weakened at the time, Gast's powerlevel would still be high enough to give him the ability to move significantly much more faster than most of those DBM villains talking with U5 XXI could anyway.

I hope that what you said about U5 XXI's magical smoke speed is true, because if what you said about U5 XXI's magical smoke speed is true then U18 Goku would not get blitzed by U5 XXI's magical smoke. 1 Replie(s)

Unlike the other U13 Saiyans, on page 2492 U13 Kakarotto was show having U5 XXI's shadowy black eyes, which heavily implies that U5 XXI did something to U13 Kakarotto that he (U5 XXI) did not do to the other U13 Saiyans, maybe it was mind control or possession or both. After all U13 Kakarotto has something that U5 XXI did not seem to have: a completely immortal body that cannot be killed.

Thus U5 XXI could potentially have both U16 Vegetto and the hypothetical U13 Vegetto under his control at the same time.

There is a chance that the twist with Bardock's visions is that it could potentially be two Vegettos going on a rampage at the same time.

U9 Elder Kai was show to be capable of instantly unding potara fusion, thus if U9 Elder Kai is dead he could not defuse U16 Vegetto when U16 Vegetto goes on a rampage. 1 Replie(s)

When Goku fused with Vegeta's Ghost, Vegetto was alive, which means that canonically on all Dragon Ball franchise continuities any damage taken by a potara fusion components's bodies before they fused does not transfer to the potara fused body, thus canonically Vegetto does not have Goku's brain damage, making it possible for Vegetto to have Kakarotto's memories, so U16 Vegetto has the potential to inherit some of U16 Kakarotto personality traits is possible, but even if U16 Vegeto has some of U16 Kakarotto's personality traits, those personality traits of his would be tempered by U16 Goku's memories and U16 Vegeta's memories.

However U16 Goku's stupidity was seemingly caused by U16 Goku's brain damage, which is something that U16 Vegetto does not have, thus U16 Vegetto being so stupid on page 2488 does not make any sense.

Yes. In Dragon Ball franchise canonically an Eternal Dragon cannot grant wishes that are more powerful than their current creator's current amount of raw power. Thus after U5 XXI had starved for 75 billions years, it would certainly reduce the power of the wishes his own Eternal Dragon could grant at least until U5 XXI regain his full power, if U5 XXI somehow succeeds at regaining his full power at all that is.

Only because U5 XXI is extremely weakened after he starved for 75 billions years, and even then U9 Elder Kai said that U16 Base Form Vegetto is weaker than an extremely weakened U5 XXI, thus even in his extremely weakened state U5 XXI's powerlevel is still at least ssj1 Vegetto tier. A fully feed U5 XXI would not have needed to resort to the teleportation trick to be able to hold his own against U16 Vegetto in a fair fight.

Or U5 XXI just uses the clothes beam technique on the hypothetical U13 Vegetto to give him a copy of the clothes worn by U16 Vegetto.

U13 Raditz is missing his tail on page 2490, which I think it means that there is a chance that U13 Raditz's death on page 2490, is just an illusion. I do not think that WaZaKun just forgot to draw U13 Raditz's tail.

But would U18 Goku be strong enough to destroy U5 XXI's time warp dimension fast enough for it to make a noticeable difference in a fight? If the answer to that question was "yes" then on page 2484 U9 Elder Kai would not have said that U18 Goku is not strong enough to defeat U5 XXI. Heck, on page 2486 U9 Elder Kai said that U16 base form Vegetto is not strong enough to defeat U5 XXI, which means that U5 XXI's powerlevel is at least ssj1 Vegetto tier. And considering that a weakened Gast and U5 XXI were show to be close enough powerlevel-wise, that means that Gast's powerlevel is at least ssj1 Vegetto tier, thus making it more believable that Gast's magic could affect U16 Vegetto.

U18 Goku is not strong enough to defeat a ssj1 Vegetto tier opponent whether that ssj1 Vegetto tier opponent is Gast or U5 XXI, thus U18 Goku could not win the DBM tournament finals unless U18 Uub teaches U18 Goku techniques/magic or U9 Elder Kai gives U18 Goku the mystic power up.

If U16 base form Vegetto is not strong enough to defeat U5 XXI, then U18 Goku is not strong enough to defeat U5 XXI.

We do not know yet how strong a fully empowered U13 Mystic Raditz would be after getting empowered by a complete mystic power up ritual, because that mystic power up ritual was interrupted by U1 South Kaioshin. If U1 South Kaioshin can kill an U13 "Half-Mystic" Raditz who is partially empowered by an incomplete mystic power up ritual, that means that U13 "Half-Mystic" Raditz would be still weaker than U18 Fat Buu. 1 Replie(s)

The "he, and only he, is getting augmented by the Grand Kaioshin" statement from page 2490 means that U9 Elder Kaioshin was promoted to U9 Grand Kaioshin at some point, which is something that could only happen if U9 Shin died, which makes Universe 9 story darker than initially thought.

Friendly reminder that U4 Zen Buu actually did have (and did use) a counter for Bibidi's sealing spell, it just happens that the counter for Bibidi's sealing spell has a longer casting time than Bibidi's sealing spell does.

And if I recall correctly the U9 Z-fighters were never show using the U9 Dragon Balls on any of the U9 specials, which heavily implies that U9 Kami died at some point after whatever happened to U9 King Piccolo, whether the U9 Z-fighters killed U9 King Piccolo or U9 King Piccolo just died of old age at some point while he was sealed. If there are not U9 Dragon Balls and U9 Korin died permanently, it would take a longer time for the U9 Z-fighters to get Senzu Beans if they could still get Senzu Beans at all.

In addition, U9 Krillin dressing like U9 Roshi heavily implies that unlike U18 Roshi, U9 Roshi died without getting resurrected, thus it seems like that Universe 9 lacking a Goku caused Universe 9 to have darker story than Universe 18 does; an Universe 9's story that I hope that someday the DBM specials could show to us.

Friendly reminder that during the events of King Piccolo Saga none of the human Z-fighters were powerful enough to kill King Piccolo at the time unless you count DBS retconning Max Power Form Roshi's powerlevel to be Ginyu Force tier, thus it would take much more longer for the U9 Z-fighters to have a Z-fighter who is strong enough to defeat U9 King Piccolo than it was for their U18 counterparts to defeat U18 King Piccolo.

In addition, the "he, and only he, is getting augmented by the Grand Kaioshin" statement from page 2490 means that U9 Elder Kaioshin was promoted to U9 Grand Kaioshin at some point, which is something that could only happen if U9 Shin died, which makes Universe 9 story darker than initially thought.

Except of course whenever Gast disagrees with the will of the organizers, Gast will immediately intentionally break the DBM tournament rules as show and proven on page 1825 and page 1826.

We actually saw Gast doing that on page 1825 and page 1826. Gast was lucky that he was not send back to Universe 7 for intentionally breaking the DBM tournament rules after Gast recklessly used his powers on U16 Vegetto at a public place in front of lots of witnesses, outside of a tournament match and without asking the organizers for permission first.

For some unexplained reason the organizers chose to allow Gast to get away with intentionally breaking the DBM tournament rules at a public place in front of lots of witnesses. 3 Replie(s)

Did U5 XXI use a telepathic illusion to show the U13 Saiyans what U1 South Kaioshin did to U13 Raditz, or was U5 XXI physically present on the room where U13 Raditz was killed? If the latter, then it confirms that U5 XXI can be physically present on several rooms at the same time.

I hope that somehow U9 Elder Kai can continue doing the mystic power up to U13 Raditz on the afterlife to finally complete the mystic power up ritual on U13 Raditz, so that if U13 Raditz is resurrected he (U13 Raditz) could finally get fully empowered by a complete mystic power up ritual.

Is U13 Raditz immortal? Maybe there is a chance that when U13 Kakarotto wished for immortality he actually wished for the immortality to get granted to all surviving members of his family, which if true it would mean that U13 Raditz is immortal.

Maybe U13 Raditz is immortal, which if true it would explain why U9 Elder chose to use the mystic power on U13 Raditz instead of chosing to using the mystic powerful ritual on someone significantly much more trushworthy such as U18 Goku.

U13 Kakarotto is show to be happy on page 2454, which implies that U13 Raditz is still alive because either U5 XXI used an illusion or maybe somehow U13 Raditz became immortal.

Those U13 Saiyans may not be a threat to U5 XXI, however if U5 XXI shows to those U13 Saiyans what U1 South Kaioshin did to U13 Raditz, the other U13 Saiyans would go on a rampage, which would result on both U9 Elder Kai and the U13 Saiyan getting the Vargas attention and then the Vargas sending both U9 Elder Kai and the U13 Saiyans back to Universe 9 and Universe 13 respectively, thus an easy way for U5 XXI to solve the problem of how U5 XXI could get both U9 Elder Kai and U13 immortal Kakarotto send to another universe, thus getting them out of the way.

We do not know yet if U5 XXI's ability to eat matter and energy would actually work on the U13 immortal Kakarotto or not, thus U5 XXI is probably showing those U13 saiyans how U1 South Kaioshin killed U13 Raditz to lure/trick those U13 Saiyans to go on a rampage so that the Vargas would see those U13 Saiyans go on a rampage and then send both U9 Elder Kai and the U13 Saiyans back to Universe 9 and Universe 13 respectively.

I concur about that after years of the DBM plot build-up for the event of U13 Raditz getting the fully complete mystic power up and then suddenly the DBM plot ruining/stopping/cancelling/preventing the chance for U13 Raditz getting the fully complete mystic power up ritual would be an anticlimax unless this is an illusion U5 XXI is using, which is likely considering that U13 Kakarotto is show to be happy on page 2454, which he would not be if U13 Raditz was dead.

U13 Kakarotto is show to be happy on page 2454, which implies that U13 Raditz is still alive because either U5 XXI used an illusion or maybe somehow U13 Raditz became immortal.

There is a huge difference between how an author/writer choses to interpret a character's characterization and actually suddenly retconning in mid-story how that character is interpreted without any previous foreshadowing and without any explanation.

Some examples of how U16 Vegetto being an idiot could have been foreshadowed on DBM are flashbacks, the DBM specials, the DBM novel, or even a foreshadowed soft-reboot if the author/writer is desperate enough to do that. However, U16 Vegetto suddenly becoming an idiot without any explanation was not foreshadowed in any way on DBM.

Salagir could chose to interpret U16 Vegetto's personality in any ways he wants, but even then internal consistence of Vegetto's personality is the least that is expected from how U16 Vegetto is written. Thus people complained about page 2489 lacking internal consistence when it comes to U16 Vegetto's personality.

Salagir said about DBM being a fan made continuity of the original DB manga continuity, not the DBZ continuity, which is why U16 Vegetto started acting like the original DB manga version of Vegetto, thus the expectation that U16 Vegetto was either going to act like his manga counterpart or at least act like how Salagir choses to interpret Vegetto's behavior in the manga in a way that tries to maintains internal consistency, thus on page 2489 U16 Vegetto suddenly emulating his DBZ anime counterpart's arrogant idiot behavior without any foreshadowing and without any explanation contradicts how U16 Vegetto was presented/written before by Salagir.

Keywords: DBZ showing.

DBZ showing feats are not canon on DBM unless they are showings from DBZ movies or showings from Dragon Ball: Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans video game or both.

Except for the notable exceptions of DBZ movies villains and Dragon Ball: Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans villains, DBZ continuity stuff is not a part of DBM according to what Salagir said about DBM being a fan made continuation of the original DB manga continuity, which is not DBZ continuity.

Vegetto being unironically a careless idiot for real (instead of just faking it for a few seconds to intentionally get absorbed by Super Buu) during his fight against Super Buu is DBZ anime filler continuity that does not happen on the original DB manga continuity. On the original DB manga continuity Vegetto was not so careless during his fight against Super Buu.

On the original DB manga continuity Vegetto did it intentionally to get absorbed by Super Buu, thus it was not a mistake on the original DB manga continuity.

Yes, but in the original DB manga it was intentionally done by Vegetto to get absorbed by Super Buu, not a mistake. 2 Replie(s)

U16 Vegetto eat the "a hundred times more dense" version of a "Senzu Bean" but it still did not recharge his energy reserves, which heavily implies that what U16 Vegetto ate on page 2489 is not a Senzu Bean or any similar healing item. U16 Vegetto was so easily tricked like an idiot into eating the wrong kind of magical bean when the stakes were not high enough to make it plausible for U16 Vegetto to be desperate enough to be willing to take such a high risk.

U16 Vegetto being that stupid is going to ensure that U16 Vegetto will never live it down being seen as an arrogant idiot, because DBM had never foreshadowed before that U16 Vegetto was going to be that stupid, thus U16 Vegetto being that stupid is U16 Vegetto getting character assassinated beyond recovery.

What a pity that U16 Vegetto did not inherit U16 Vegeta's intelligence/intellect/wits/brains/smart­s.

I think that the implication that U5 XXI is a multiversal threat could be a red herring, specially after his acts of kindness (giving to U19 one of his wishes, giving U16 Vegetto a healing bean) and him being show on page 2449 feeling self-loathing after/for succumbing to his own hunger again.

U5 XXI had suffered 75 billion years of both hunger and loneliness after he ate his universe 75 billion years ago, thus I think that those U5 XXI's 75 billion years of both hunger and loneliness could potentially have caused U5 XXI to have a change of heart.

I think that it would be a plot twist if it turns out that U5 XXI's wishes are to actually wish for both himself and other versions of XXI to permanently lose their hunger and also to fix all of the damage that each XXI had caused to their universes; but even if that is the case it still does not remove U16 Vegetto's blame for being so stupid on page 2489.

It seems like that the mystic power up ritual to give U13 Raditz the mystic power up was interrupted by the Kaioshins on page 2488 before it was completed, thus U13 Raditz's fans were denied the chance to actually see how strong/powerful a fully empowered (by a fully complete mystic power up ritual) U13 Mystic Raditz would be. Thus U13 Raditz's fans are within their rights to be angry about that anticlimax unless the mystic power up ritual to give U13 Raditz the mystic power up was actually not interrupted.

For some reason no one here had mentioned yet the elephant in the room that for some reason was not mentioned yet in the DBM site comments section:
— If U9 Elder Kai was actually getting interrupted by the Kaioshins on page 2488, it means that the mystic power up ritual to give U13 Raditz the mystic power up was interrupted before it was completed, which would deny DBM fans the chance to actually see how strong/powerful a fully empowered (by a fully complete mystic power up ritual) U13 Mystic Raditz would be.

Did U5 XXI use his wish granting Dragon to wish for Senzu Beans?

I think that page 2488 has confirmed that whenever U16 Vegetto is hungry enough his U16 Goku side could influences his choices to a fault.

U5 XXI say that his custom Senzu Beans have hundred times more nutrition than the normal Senzu Beans, so are they going to make U16 Vegetto fat?

U16 Goku's hunger induced idiocy, which in this case is not surprising considering that the mentally retarded U16 Goku is a part of U16 Vegetto.

That is not the first time that starvation mode has caused someone who is starving to make choices that are stupíd and/or reckless for the sake of trying to satiate their hunger.

On page 2487 Elder Kai had already told U16 Vegetto that U5 XXI wants to destroy universes, thus U16 Vegetto already knows what is going to happen to Universe 16 and other universes if U5 XXI wins the DBM tournament.