You both seem to not understand what SSJ Zero/SSJNornmal even is about...
The way it has been explained to us suggests, that if it'd even accelerate such condition in the first place, it'd do so way less fast than a SSJ. Doesn't matter that it's 3 forms above and way more powerful. Read once again what the form is about ;p

It's weird to me, that at the time of me posting this, noone besides me rn seems to have thought of and mentioned the possibility, that this ISN'T the "Accelerated Time" dimension trick/spell...
I have a feeling this is smth else and much worse for Goku and besides Piccolo, nobody who has given their 2 cents on this knows anything about magic. I really do feel like this is not gonna be good :D 1 Replie(s)

Looks like full Eartling Trunks and Tao, judging from shoes. Would be dope for Tao to help 1 Replie(s)

Just throw another Kienzan at his ass and cut smth else off. No point wasting time when they got his super cornered and saving energy to help the others and eventually have it vs Vegeta should be top priority. Unless ofc my theory ends up being true and Goku shows up, using Baba's "services" with Yemma's permission and tries to talk some sense into Gohan or just one shots Vegeta and dips LMAO :D 1 Replie(s)

Fun idea would be for Black to be pushed far enough he has to use the Kaioken
Which then after a short upper hand moment backfires hilariously

What a moron... Surely not even the dumbest Goku would actually eat that shit...
He is apprehensive about it being a poison, but doesn't consider the fact it might put him under his control xD
Not to mention he is 1000% bluffing, right ? Since when and how is he immune to poisons ? 3 Replie(s)

And just like that, Nappa is nearly useless. Shouldn't be an issue to finish him off. In fact all 4 of them should insta jump him and do that, then return to their idividual matchups
Easy W for Earthlings, Oozarus might not make a difference, not to mention they are propably prepared for that 2 Replie(s)

No Frost Demon DNA, but MF is cocky as hell still...
Vegeta's genes carrying I guess, even tho the superiority talk of this kind is more so Frieza's thing 2 Replie(s)

You definitely nailed the design man
Looking like Cell, yet more rough/rugged/crude, exactly the right amount of that, without the smooth, clean Frost Demon features
Awesome !


I mean yes, but he might still be able to. He got some Arthropod DNA and it was never really stated, unlike with Saiyans, that Namekians themselves can't endure/breathe in space. So authors got some wiggle room if they wanted to give him that ability :)

Got a wild theory and won't elaborate further, until it's actually revealed if I am right or wrong (most likely wrong)
But to me it seems like this is an alternate version of Trunks for some reason and by alternate I don't mean fully human like U9
I mean normal Trunks we know, but one that grew up under different circumstances from regular Future Trunks

Wait, they are still under Frieza 10 years later ?
Z-Fighters might actually wash them then, they should be patheticly weak... No SSJ either

Piccolo revived with what ? Doubt they went to Namek, Baba is their only out

Except candies aren't able to sneeze and from what've seen in the Buuhan vs Candy Vegito fight, they seem to not be capable of ki blasts...
So them destroying a planet in candy form would have to be through sheer impact/force. Which makes it far less convenient to just go around and destroy the whole Universe this way. Therefore it'd still make the situation better :)

I assume this will back fire and purge everyone but Broly for w/e reason LMAO

Good thing Raditz isn't even participating then LMAO 1 Replie(s)

Might be a similar concept to the original run of DB New Age and its concept of rei-chi/ki. The explanation Old Kai gave is that it's basically the matter/energy that everything is build out of/consist off. The original run was GOATed. Goku got a lot of his rei-chi stolen/absorbed by Aladjinn. One of 4 primordial dieties, who was extremely evil and he was sealed off in Demon Realm by Dabura of all ppl, but got out and on his way back to full might and all the typical villain BS he possesed Vegeta (how original, I know LMAO), then fought Goku Ascended SSJ4 Goku, beat his ass, stole his shit with his dark magic. Old Kai tried to repair the damage, but it was beyond his abilities, upon which he asked them who did it, got scared shitless it's Aladjinn and then Gohan and Trunks went to stall his ass. Then the GOAT shit happened, in the middle of the unsuccessful stalling, Piccolo finished his training inside the New Book of Namek and became a Namekian Sage, which is somewhat similar to what Gast is and what we should have gotten instead of Orange Piccolo... Don't get me wrong, Orange IS cool and deserved, but it's just another hurr durr, me strong, me punch hard fighter. Whereas Namekian Sage Piccolo was kinda like Gast, fighter/mage hybrid, using magic in the traditional way or to enhance his fighting abilities. Hell, the DB Super manga makes it even more painfully obvious with it's Moro arc, that someone, anyone of the Z-Fighters, needs to focus more in this aspect of fighting... Another high powerlevel guy is useless. Well, end of the rant :D Sorry, anyways, I as I said, I am getting this kind of vibe from this page, it fits XXI too, since he's supposed to eat everything :)

Well yes, but Gast said he was gonna train Thorn, so he might be decently strong too. I'd imagine he's at minimum somewhere near Namek Ginyu lvl :)

Ah, explains the line Gast said to DKP about the Androids being the realy assholes that hate humanity and that they've wiped it out. He's seen that shit firsthand...
Kinda cool, but it makes me realize one thing that I didn't realize was missing in the tournament part of DMB, until now... Where is at least 1 Future Gohan guys ? C'mon, Future Gohan meeting Ultimate Gohan at the tournament is a missed opportunity and a half :p

BRUH, ppl have actually suggested Mecha Bracaa being a thing but I was like "Nah, why would demons with magic and shit invest into technology," in my head, which I btw still firmly stand behind not making too much sense but I digress. Yet here we are LMAO And he is gonna fuck around to find out a second time too.

Actually interesting and intriguing writing on Goten-kuns part tho, wp Sir ;)

I am even starting to have a sneaking suspicion, that Gast actually knows what XXI's deal is, thanks to all the shit he's read and knowledge he has gathered and that Elder Kai doesn't need to be worried as much as he is rn. Not to mention Gast either loses right here and now, or has some BS up his sleeve. Should be very interesting to see whwre this goes :)

Then why did Gast state when assessing Janemba that he isn't alive and has no soul or w/e the exact wording was, when clearly the Ogre kid was still in 1 Replie(s)

Tbh, skilled Magician such as Gast copying a magic based move that was used on him isn't comparable to the typical Goku BS :D

On a different note: LIT, Janemba is gonna have a hard time getting out of this... My guess is that XXI is gonna have to step in :)

Edit: Wait a sec, just realized what you are suggesting with the first part of the comment, yes, it looks a bit like he's using it on Janemba on the last panel LMAO Why not I guess, not like from the description we've got it isn't a generally good move you could use even on someone living. Gast is truly stunting on these hoes rn :D

Which realistically could be remedied via a wish, couldn't it ? Surely Porunga could be made to only grant wishes to good ppl, either via his own wish or altered the same way Dende & Mori upgraded their dragons 1 Replie(s)

Well, yes...
Except Piccolo didn't strike this pose to power up :D He changed the whole landscape with that pose, cause it was a huge-ass AoE explosion to clear out the Cyclopian guards (the robot things under Cooler's command).
So in Gast case it might be an homage and he's actually powering up, or it's still an homage, but he's about to blow stuff up. ALtho now that I think of it, if he did smth similar to Piccolo's attack, the whole planet they are on would cease to exist LMAO So propably not xD

? HE never fired it vs just Goku, he started using it only once Vegeta has joined the fight

Nice, let's hope his immortality doesn't put him together and we might have a solution to this already :)

Yall are forgetting the best wish of them all...
Turn Broly into a baby again, simple, effective

Wait, my first assumption was that it blocked his magic healing, but you are meaning to tell me it's blocking his natural Namekian regeneration too ?
Ok, blud is cooked unless he does smth RIGHT NOW and even then, XXI is still there and propably has a spell at the ready 1 Replie(s)

Mafuba ain't working, author has said so many times, so I doubt he'd change his mind, even if Bracaa was cut into 10x the pieces Frieza was
The most likely outcome still seems to be that Piccolo will make him wish he was never made immortal xD 1 Replie(s)

? Lightning Shower Rain doesn't cut tho ? It pierces multiple times

The last stand of SSJ3 Goku & Vegeta... (fuck you Gotenks, you are a bozo) :D
Beautiful page

Next page Janemba does it too, cause he can and smacks his ass 100%
Dunno why yall are hyping Gast up this early on a page like this, I guess you forgot Janemba has that too :)










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Ok, Gast's regen is on a different lvl, since he can afford to take a hit like this, effortlessly regen after, just to get a small element of surpsise. The and slight hint of him preparing eye beams is nice, altho we all know how that one will end LMAO :D 1 Replie(s)

MF might spit again

Expected blud to at least semi dodge and/or get Cell after the Final Flash'd, aka have whole hand and a small part of the torso missing...
He got fked completelx and is in half tho ?!? Hello ?
Either this Janemba is more dangerous and powerful, or Gast is weaker than I thought or he isn't but grossly underestimated Janemba...
Ofc it could also not be Gast and be an After Image or a Ki clone, altho the visuals suggest it is him and that he's jobbing supremely :D

Hmmmm, you'd like to think he's so dominant etc... etc... that immortality won't matter, huh ? Well, you don't need to LMAO You are 100% correct, in fact...
I believe it was stated, too lazy to re-check rn, that Braaca is weaker than Dabura, who was roughly Perfect/S.Perfect Cell level, personally I'd say he is half as strong at most...
Whereas Piccolo, who was close to that level during Buu Saga, at this point should be reaching Fat Buu and up to Super Buu levels of power, as a conservative guess ofc... He should be this level at MINIMUM, propably even is quite a bit stronger...
I've mentioned it multiple times on several of the previous pages, but Braaca truly is, without the typical DB shittalk and overexaggeration/hyperbole, an insect to Piccolo. Hell, with how insignificant Braaca is to him rn, instead of fighting, he should have just started laughing maniacally... He could personally keep him contained in one of his stretched out arms for the next century if needed :D
Which won't even be needed, cause I believe, that despite authors anti-Mafuba attitude, the only logical option still is to seal him in smth via the same method Old kai was sealed with :)

Gast will definitely have some regenerating to do right after this, ultimately tho. Even if his magic doesn't affect Janemba directly, he can still use some opn himself and with his strength and durability + regen, he 100% will have enough time to find a way to beat Janemba and prevail. Question is if after that his energy won't be too depleted for XXI

Wdym he's not a living being ? Unless DBM Janemba is different, the baseline of Janemba still is the Ogre teen from Otherworld, who is then transformed by pure evil. There should be at least a little bit of life inside him...
Hopefully Salagir will elaborate further in the comments or one of the next pages adresses this :)

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHHAH­AHAHA
(I know this isn't what the messages/posts should look like here, but allow me this one time, cause brother Braaca is fked :D)

Is it time to start feeling bad for Braaca ? :D
Cause it's almost insulting, how hard prime Piccolo is gonna wash his ass... The typical DB shittalk aside, to Piccolo at his peak, Braaca truly is without overexaggerating even a bit a cockroach.
My guess is that he will get humiliated so badly that he changes his mind on the whole immortality thing LMAO xD

Holy shit ! Nice, cool :)
Now wtf is it tho, purely a projection/clone/magical creation in Janemba's image, or the actual Janemba that he somehow got under his control ?

Nah, bullshit. The Kai's could easily conjure up more Potara

Hope you are joking, cause otherwise what you've just said is not only just not true at all in any reality, but also not very smart...
Mystic Raditz as the Elder Kai said, whilst weaker than SSJ3 Vegeta, is only so slightly, so even in a pure 1vs1 he would have held his own and could have even won with some luck or using Vegeta's arrogance or some of his other weakness to his advantage, or even outlasting his SSJ3 with Mystic that has no such weakness... But with immortal Kakarotto in SSJ2 next to him ? With them barely damaged vs Vegeta who is damaged VERY HEAVILY and has 1 eye out of the commision ? It just ain't happening, Vegeta doesn't even have a 0% chance, it's in the negative numbers LMAO :D
Aaaand that's before even adding the fact that in DMB canon, SSJ3 last even less than in the original... and Vegeta has been in his SSJ3 for WAY too long, even by DMB standards and is heavily battle damaged... He will be insanely, extremely lucky if his SSJ3 doesn't drop panel 1 next page, aka literally instantly as he is seen walking up to them in the last panel of this page, which is most likely what Salagir and the team have in mind, cause it'd be funny for Raditz and Kakarotto get all hyped up for beating him together, brotherly bondign and shit and he just detransforms right in front of them...
Also one other possibility is that, whilst they are not seen on this page or the last page, the first page of them being TP'd home neyt to their royal palace shows them still wearing the Potara, what prevents them from refusing again by removing them and putting them back on in like 30 minutes of running, unless ofc that was a mistake and that's why tey are not drawn in the last 2 pages :/ 2 Replie(s)

So, am I to understand that he has just commited Sudoku ? :D 2 Replie(s)

Sucks for them, cause if they were allowed tro continue fighting, it'd still be over for Vegeta...
He is dropping out of his SSJ3 in literally seconds at most, he can't have more than 10s left, esp. and that's another point, with the damage he has taken... So if they were allowed to finish this, it's be over for Vegeta, cause in his state, the power difference between him in SSJ3 and Mystic Raditz should be more than null and void, then add SSJ2 Kakarotto with his immortality and he has 0 chance...
One thing I don't like tho, is that the Elder Kai can undo the fusion at such a distance, if he was like 20 meters away max. thne sure, but from this far away is lame to me :) 1 Replie(s)

Especially when the whole DB community has decided on the name of this "What If" fusion decades ago... Potara is Raditto and dance is Goditz, I guess DMB wanted to be different or they don't think Kakaditz is as stupid as it is, but w/e I've accepted it, even tho it'S not to my taste :D

"There is no potara left, Goku and Vegetta broke the last one before the fight with Kid Buu ^^ " ... ???
What kind of stupid BS is that ? The Kais can literally make a new set in a matter of minutes LMAO, if he can summon a Kachin cube out of nowhere, he can definitely materialize some earring LMAO 1 Replie(s)

Author has stated like 100x that Mafuba ain't happening, but Devilmite Beam is actually a great idea, since it's not a regular move, so it might actually do smth to an immortal 1 Replie(s)

? Did you forget that Roshi is immortal. at least age-wise ?

Nice, also for the people "arguing" in the comments, we need to see what Salagir and team went with, but the community has decided long time ago that this should be Raditto and that Goditz is for the Fusion Dance :)

More like SSJ2 at this point LMAO

Beat me to it xD Was about to say mouth blast incoming :D

The 3 eye'd guy thinks monke is disgusting... Hypocricy ( and before someone writes it's yes, IRL it is a symbol of this and that yadi yada but not in DB World)

Kinda makes sense, esp. since the immortality seems to reform him in the same place he got killed in, but a better idea in that case is to just TP him into a star or better yet a black hole and tell him to have fun LMAO

Seal him inside of a sword already, or just stop being stupid and useless, PLEASEEE

Oh, so that was not a blast heading for poor Piccolo (instead of useless ass Kibitoshin) but Braaca popping/being snapped back into existence. Seems like it at least left an impression if nothing else

Hopefully they didn't go from jobbing to being utterly stupid and he actually takes at least a few hours to reform from the smoke or w/e. Or just like Zamasu his body is GONE, but unlike Zamasu he can't do anything else. If he just sneak attacks them next fucking page then they deserve to die LMAO They dropped 70% of their IQ points during those centuries Piccolo mentions

LMAOOO
"Dad" gonna get decimated by an Oozaru, unless this ISN't a nice hint, but instead the greatest misdirection ever

And even then, altho it's utter bullshit and DBS manga only, Hakai apparently doesn't work on immortals, stated by Beerus himself... Garbage if you ask me, it should work on immortals, period.
Well, let's see how this ends up, maybe Kibitoshin and Piccolo will finally stop jobbing, with Tambo's help LMAO

Surely, I am moreso interested, now that we know it's gonna be a thing, if he might go SSJ in this fight or if that happens later :)

Either he's going SSJ, hopefully SSJ2 if that's it, but I see no reason why it couldn't be "Potential Unleashed/Mystic/Ultimate," which would also be extremely cool :)
Hopefully, whatever it is, he is at least Cell Saga Mastered SSJ Goku level as a bare minimum, ideally he'd just mop the floor with Braaca alone


100% should be able to go SSJ, if he has 3 yes and especially the tail this deep into the bloodline, then SSJ should be part of it, plus even tho they are not canon to this story, Goku and Vegeta Jr. can go too, so I imagine the vision is for Saiyan genes to be pretty potent, not necessarily dominant over Earthling ones, just that a little goes a long way

Oh shit, I was like: Yamcha, Tien & Saiyan hybrid looking ass ?
Without the other comments I wouldn't have even realized it's Tambo, that is kinda sick, ngl

Kinda looks like Buu Saga Tien's drip, but obviously this isn't him :)

Nah, the first and final (lmao) Final Flash is gonna get fully launched and will hit, then when the smoke fully disperses, 17 and his fucking barrier will be seen... Only THEN might he get stabbed in the back :D 1 Replie(s)

There somewhat is actually
Hyourinjutsu on YT, kinda surprised you haven't heard of him, with how popular and goated he is, he does What If sprite animations that are great and he did smth like that in one of his recent ones, that might have continuation ( but so far it was just a small hint more or less)

Well, it got birthed (is that right ? LMAO) by an actual mother and even from the exposed wound from the missing arm, it looks more like an artifical, semi-organic android like Cell 1 Replie(s)

No way he gets all of those beams/rays with only 1 Spirit Ball...
If he had many, then sure, but I see no way of getting all of them with just 1, without at least one beam barely slipping out and hitting its target
I will be very surprised if Yamcha proves me wrong :) 2 Replie(s)

Seems more like Roshi's technique, but I don't think it is that either... Cause how would he know it ? Roshi sure as hell ain't teaching anybody rn 1 Replie(s)

There it is
Also nice page, we don't get to see enough Wolf Fang Fist in OG material, so this is nice :)

Yamcha saucing on 'em... Nice !

Also a not so hot, more like pure facts take: If you get fooled like that by the After-Image technique, aka one of the most basic, first to learn things in martial arts in the DB world, the Universe itself should erase you or smth... Like hur dur "I'll kill you all to protect my Universe" hur dur shit, has poor power level on lvl of like Semi-Perfect Cell, has to rely on cheap time stop BS and then you get shit on by smth like the After Image technique... Sad LMAO 1 Replie(s)

Ngl, Orzo is GOATED

My head canon is, that in the Future, Gero was "more" cautious about them not obeying him than in the OG timeline, so instead of leaving them as humans with very few mechanical enhancements (aka cyborgs LMAO) he mechanized them more, to the point of them almost being actual Androids, but not enough for them to not "betray" him and kill him. That's my head canon for why they were such heartless bastards/machines in comparison to "our" 17 & 18

Would make sense, if the author didn't state multiple times that in his version of DB, it doesn't work on anyone with a power level of Saiyan Saga and beyond :)

"Now it's time for bayback"...
BITCH !!! Payback for what ? I was fine with these 2 morons until this page, but now I want them DEAD and not brought back via Dragon Balls...
Esp. when the Vargas snitched on DKP and Bardock to Raichi out of all ppl... These 2 need to be GONE

??? Everyone and their mom knows he's an Android. But DMB doesn't work like the source material with Super 17 being a BOG Godku level in terms of power and I'K'L just destroyed 16 whos way stronger than 17 & 18 ...

Unless Yamcha can use Kaioken, I don't see him being powerful enough to stop I'K'L with how it's been going, altho to be fair, he didn't even begin to fight yet xD

Seems more likely to me that they will fight for a bit, struggle and then Gast manages to free himself or Uub finally escapes 2 Replie(s)

Most likely option would be XXI or one of the other artificial being that aren't affected, one of the Kai's could also be unaffected, but they wouldn't congratulate him

A bit of a cope, but an interesting and also shocking plot twist would be if it was Zen Buu :D
Just imagine, he just figured out how to get back and he saves everyone. Then continues with his shenanigans and saves Uub LMAO 1 Replie(s)

From the way SHE (looks too feminine to accept that it's supposed to be he, plus it's an artificial being anyways) said it, she really is mostly hacks and not "much" actual power, might be at Perfect Cell lvl or maybe even just Vegeta & Trunks lvl. If that is the case, Vegito about to be REALLY pissed, since he can swallow his tongue a bit when it comes to mages, since there is skill required, but artificial BS hacks like this is too much of a cheat in his mind :) 2 Replie(s)

How comes everyone and their mother know that DBS isn't canon to this comic, except for you ?

Kibitoshin that actually trained and curb stomps Braaca would be sick, plus he could then make Piccolo young again and apprentice him 1 Replie(s)

Wonder if this would have done anything if he instantly went SSJ or SSJ2, in base tho, that whole hand is GONE LMAO

Piccolo based Gast sounds SICK! 1 Replie(s)

What really needs to happen is next page being the meme where the dude (in this case I'K'L') is on the ground and a group of other dudes (literalyl everyone else LOL) are kicking him

I had a funny theory/idea how they could have gone about this whole thing, but Porunga actually mentioned Bracaa's name so it immediatelly went to shit. If Porunga didn't say: "Your wish has been granted, Bracaa is now immortal" they could have done it as follows: Ask Porunga to make the Demon King immortal LMAO Porunga then says "Bet" and makes Piccolo immortal instead of Bracaa. Would have been really funny xD

I know, that's why I mentioned the sealing technique that sealed the Old Kai. I also don't think sealing will be used, but as of yet, it is still what appears to be the only option, until the big catch is revealed to us ;)

Hopefully this version of Piccolo learned the "better" version and is about to Old Kai his ass 1 Replie(s)

Well, dipshit father is DED
Cause one of them is 1000% going SSJ and looks like it's going to be Tambo right now :D

Magic vs very decently strong fighter, might be interesting

And survived a big ass planet that is Namek blowing up on him, whilst cut in half and unconcious from the "You Fool" blast as well, not to mention surviving till they saved him right after.
I keep saying it all the time and it¨s nice to finally see someone who sees this shit as well, in order to seriously damage a Frost Demon you have to be much, much stronger than said FD. Hell, in order to kill Frieza, esp. with Golden and Black now, even tho he has no regen like Cell or Buu, you still have to basically fully vaporize/erase him. If Goku and Vegeta had the same durability or did some training to achieve it, they'd actually be unstopabble until plot demands come in :D

Not enough to kill a Frost Demon as we all know, wonder if he gets a chance to fight back tho 1 Replie(s)

Looks like he's about to seal Buyon with some sort of spell, interesting

Maybe he will just make his wish and truly dip out, as he said he will and before doing so unpetrifies Piccolo

Then Piccolo goes onto a quest to get back at him and stop his shenanigans, starting with wishing for his youth to come back :)

Baba's place is in the middle of a lake/ a body of water. I wouldn't blame you for not knowing cause you didn't watch the OG DB, but Super ? Frieza and Goku, assassins, Hakai ball hidden under the water ? 1 Replie(s)

Because your skull, especially the forehead part is a much, much more durable bone ? Makes all the sense...

Vegeta's wrist is gone, now is that it or on the next page Goku's insert a bone is gonna be gone too ?
Honestly I am really starting to hope for a draw, wasn't sure about it at the beginning but now I am actually down for it. Would be cool + Salagir and team could give us some rare real brivals (bros + rivals) moment that the OG source just refuses to give us

Seems like he'd have enough time to IT away, kinda meh if he gets taken out by this

Oh shit, you are right :D Nice touch by DBM bois

That FUCKING Giga Chad jawline tho, holy shit. Epic art boys

Would actually be funny and epic if the blast explosion killed them both, making it a draw. True bro moment that is desperately needed

We honestly need more of this stuff, not only in fan mangas/projects but in the original material as well...

There has literally been no in lore or w/e explanation or a statement saying that they suck, so why don't they use Mouth Blasts and Eye Beams anymore...
Especially at close range, like when they do the typical/cliché anime trope of the 2 fighters locking both hands, a mouth blast or an eye beam can really get you some nice results/element of surprise.
And especially in super, the fighting is so stale, punch punch kick kick ki blast ki blast maybe some slightly more acrobatic moves than usual. An eye beam, mouth blast or some interesting or less used moves here and there go a long way to spicy stuff up. Anyways, this is basically a long way of saying thx DMB team for doing this, cause this shit is awesome and needs to be done more :D 1 Replie(s)